Y’all did an excellent job on discussing the Trinity! I’ve always said we must avoid trying to explain the Trinity with “human” terms, God is not like us He is different. But what He has revealed about Himself in scripture we must believe/embrace. I look forward to the day when we will see Him as He is and be made like Him (I John 3:2) and even then He will still be greater! What an amazing God we serve!🙌🏽
I think the true issue is that Christians truly have difficulties understanding the Trinity/Godhead, so they can’t explain it well. It is okay to use human analogy. Jesus did the same while explaining the parables. He used objects that humans are familiar with, so that we can gain understanding of the gospel. This is done throughout the Bible. Personally, I would use the same tool, such as, the different forms of water, however, I wouldn’t explain it as it TRANSFORM from one form of water/entity to another. I would present the three states of water at the same time but say the Father, The Son and Holy Spirit are one in character, nature, principles, and purpose, but each has different role in the plan of salvation. The three states of water are the same: chemically (nature of it/ substance are the same). They are not the same physically (play different roles). It is impossible for Him to do evil. Except when God (Jesus Christ) came in a form of man, then He was tempted in all points of evil, but chose to never sin, for our sake. When we read things in the Bible that occurred and appears to be unjust, we need to remember that we are not God and He can read hearts of men. He is and always a just God. I love how they explained that God was never alone and He is Love; it was enlightening. It explains the importance of fellowship with brethren and the purpose of marriage. Don’t forsake the assembly of the brethren. It is not good to be alone. It just makes me think of those who struggle with depression and low self esteem. How they think that no one is like them, so they isolate themselves become subjected to more of Satan’s tact/torture. I realize that he uses the same exact formula (tact) on everyone but you wouldn’t know bc you don’t want to talk to anyone or the thoughts appears to be so believable and reasonable.
@@beejones0509 1. I want chapter and verse that the Father is a person 2. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is a person 3. I want chapter and verse that Jesus is the second person of the godhead 4. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the godhead 5. I want chapter and verse God is 3 persons 6. I want chapter and verse that His spirit is shared by 3 persons 7. Was the apostles disobedient for not bringing up Father and Holy Spirit in the baptism? 8. If God is our Father, why Stephen called him Lord Jesus in Acts 7:59? 9. If God is three persons, why Stephen responded only the 2nd person in Acts 7:59 10. In Mark 13:32 does the Holy Spirit is included for not knowing the day and hour of Christ's return? 11. How do the scriptures reveal to you that the Holy Spirit is lower rank than the Son of Man, if Jesus said if you blasphemy against the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven but will be forgiven if it’s against the Son of Man? 12. Who is the Great Dragon, the Old Serpent, and the Devil?
If you want to believe what is told in scripture, then let go of man made philosophies and believe the words of Jesus. He said that The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD John 17:3.
Wow, I love the way you wrote this comment, "what He revealed about himself in scripture we must believe or embrace." It really is a relationship and intamcy with the Holy Spirit & relevant to how people struggle with relationships today, and may be why so many are struggling in relationships in general, now that I think about it. Trusting enough to let someone lead. Idk why, but the first thing this made me think of was a relationship & being intimate with the Holy Spirit, like in a union. Not in an inappropriate way, but in a way that allows trust and vulnerability.
Eph 1:9 "Having made KNOW TO US the MYSTERY if his will" ( Greek 'mysteron' that which IS reavealed ) Thus Paul also said "God is not a GOD OF CONFUSION, but a God of peace". Its a total 'copout' to apply mystery' or 'confusion' to the 'trinity as a justification! its a FALSE doctrine along with all other confusing philosophies and notions of religion! The bible is clear & simple! There is but ONE GOD and Father of us all as Jesus Christ taught! "This means life eternal that they might know YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD" ( John 17:3 part)
Testimony time! So God led me to this podcast a few of weeks ago…I didn’t fully understand why I was drawn to it. I thought the content and delivery was cool, so I watched many if not all the past episodes (I literally couldn’t stop watching it). During the same time I’ve been praying that God would help me to understand the trinity. The trinity has been one of the topics I’ve wrestled with in my faith walk. Growing up the trinity wasn’t explained in a way I resonated with (modalism) and even today I don’t hear the topic preached often. This podcast episode has brought so much clarity! I can’t fully express in words how grateful I am that God has used the Perrys to ignite a hunger to know Him on a deeper and intimate level. God bless you, Perry family! Pull up on us in the ATL!
Trinity belief is Sun (Baal, Nimrod) Worship! The Messiah was brought forth BY the Father in the Beginning, that is why He is the only BEGOTTEN Ban (Son)!
So if all three are distinct from one another, that makes them 3 gods, not one. The role/essence “explanation” makes no sense whatsoever. Bible Truth is not complicated. But trinitarians complicate it and make it worse for those searching for the Truth
He’s such a good father! I am a believer and in my efforts to actually be learned the trinity has been kinda confusing in a way! I’ve been having conversations in my head like “I want to know you more” and I actually prayed that, then this video! Thanks for being an answered prayer🙏🏽
Trinity belief is Sun (Baal, Nimrod) Worship! The Messiah was brought forth BY the Father in the Beginning, that is why He is the only BEGOTTEN Ban (Son)!
Preston is bang on: the Trinity actively loves each other Father Son Holy Spirit and therefore Being a God of Love pours that same love to us !! And He teaches us how to love !! Amen
1. I want chapter and verse that the Father is a person 2. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is a person 3. I want chapter and verse that Jesus is the second person of the godhead 4. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the godhead 5. I want chapter and verse God is 3 persons 6. I want chapter and verse that His spirit is shared by 3 persons 7. Was the apostles disobedient for not bringing up Father and Holy Spirit in the baptism? 8. If God is our Father, why Stephen called him Lord Jesus in Acts 7:59? 9. If God is three persons, why Stephen responded only the 2nd person in Acts 7:59 10. In Mark 13:32 does the Holy Spirit is included for not knowing the day and hour of Christ's return? 11. How do the scriptures reveal to you that the Holy Spirit is lower rank than the Son of Man, if Jesus said if you blasphemy against the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven but will be forgiven if it’s against the Son of Man? 12. Who is the Great Dragon, the Old Serpent, and the Devil?
While this word is packed and loaded with many benefits for my understanding of who God is and how He operates in Trinity, I cannot help but greatly admire the beauty of being able to come together as a couple and discuss such depths about God. Gosh its sexy and I look forward to doing this with my husband when He comes according to God's will 😍
I was a straight A student and always paid attention in class. I remember in fifth grade, how diligently I paid attention in this specific science lesson where we talked about the states of matter. Yesterday I asked God for a sign to show me that I’m doing the something right in pursuing Him. I’m a born again Christian since 2 years. When I was in primary school I was a devoted Buddhist. So my point is, God is amazing. He laid out my life in such a way, even the moments when I wasn’t a believer would help me with my relationship with Him. He made it so, that I paid attention in that specific class, so that I could come up with the metaphor of the Holy trinity being like water, gas, and ice so that one huge question that pesters many didn’t pester me because I had other things trying to separate me from God and if I had one more doubt I would have snapped. ( now im past that stage and have a beautiful stable relationship with Jesus). Im shocked by Gods wisdom and grace right now. He used seemingly insignificant moments in my life to help me understand Him. And He used this to show me that our relationship is based off of a good and correct foundation.( I saw a comment also talking about this water gas ice metaphor and the Holy Spirit revealed to me how in my life it all connects) The states of matter is not like the clear cut structure of the Holy trinity but it makes this beautifully confusing Trinity a bit easier to decipher Hallelujah, praise the Lord ❤️
This was awesome!! It NEVER CEASES TO CRACK ME UP how Preston just continues talking WHILE Jackie acts a fool (such as when he was talking about God and the water)!! He's so used to her foolishness! I love it 😹😹
Just to clarify for some, I’m a oneness Pentecostal, and we wholeheartedly believe Jesus is God! He is literally called Emanuel, which means “God with us” Matt 1:22-23! Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the son that is given shall be called “everlasting father”. That alone illustrates the mystery of the Godhead! The SON is described as the everlasting FATHER. God is one, and has always been. Deuteronomy 6:4 “hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is ONE!” I appreciate these Convo’s because they push us to study, and really evaluate what it is we believe.
Jackie, I first met you only about a year ago and your confidence about the scriptures left me feeling less than adequate. However the more I fought against listening to what you have to say. the more God kept bringing me back to you. The reason is slowly becoming obvious! Thank you. Preston was brilliant too. Ps: the world is shrinking by the minute. I live in Sierra Leone/West Africa and was able to catch this today 🙏🏾
I’m at work listening and lost track of what I was doing, multi-tasking, because this convo is so rich…like Popeyes biscuit back in the day lol thick but melt in your mouth rich. 😩😂 I may be hungry but y’all get it. I gotta go back and listen again. 🤯🤯
That was a whole 5 course meal!! I’m so full, had to wear spandex, lol. Amen for the spiritual directive and teaching. My heart is inspired and encouraged 🙏
Also when Jesus is being baptized by John, Mathew 3: 16 " As soon as Jesus was baptized, he(Jesus) went up out of water. At that moment heaven was opened and he (John) saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him(Jesus). And a voice from heaven(God) said, " this is my son in whom I love; with him I am well Pleased." In this instance all three are present.
this was so informative, highly appreciate the way in which the two of you break things down and make it easier to understand. P.s I absolutely adore and love how the two of you interact as a union in discussions like these and unapologetically so, one can see that God put you two together and what a blessing it is to witness a Love that is of God🙈 It really excites me in praying for a future spouse (even though I am only 19),that we can grow in loving the Lord as a union. Thank you guys so much for your obedience to the Spirit and sharing the Word with us in the ways that you do. All the blessings, with Love from South Africa🌼❤
27:27 - 27:50 hit me like a ton of bricks. God is love. He did not have to become love(ing). He has always loved perfectly. That same God loves me??!?!?!?!?! 😭😭❤️❤️
Growing up Pentecostal I can say that there was some confusion with trinity but for the most part we believed that God was one God that existed in three persons. Not that God stopped being the Father to become the Son. They all exist at the same time and separately yet as one.
Same, I was so confused when they kept saying pentecostals believe in modalism. I’d guess the pentecostal churches they were in contact with believed in modalism, because the one I grew up in did not. My pastor actually preached against modalism.
@@ketsspace816 Yes. I figured that as well. I know for some in the Pentecostal faith that do very poor jobs of teaching Bible properly. So I’m sure some do believe in modalism.
That water-ice-vapour model is exactly what I was taught while hearing that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were one in three persons, which is a foreign concept to understand. So while people would tell me this true concept, they would explain it in a very wrong way. Hurt my understanding of Holy Spirit and reliance on Him badly I’ve seen someone say, “The Godhead is like the links in a pretzel. Three links, all forming one pretzel. Unique from each other, but completely enjoined.” Not a perfect example, but maybe drawing on the Scutum Fidel
@@excellenceadigun9093 It's weird that you as a grown ass black man is talking like a black woman. See what happens when you watch too much of this stuff? 😭 You're Trinity teaching is false and is going to give you a one way ticket to the second death. You still have eternal life afterwards though so thank God for that.
Great video, The trinity being “created” at the council of Nicea is prolly one of the most prominent lies out there. The whole purpose of that council was to excommunicate Arian heretics, not to decide if the trinity exists or not. Also, St Dionysius, who was a direct disciple of the apostle Paul is quoted in the 1st century AD, talking about the trinity, so the doctrine existed well before that council even occurred
The council of Nicaea solidified the trinity doctrine. But may I ask you a question. Jesus said that The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD in John 17:3. Was he correct???
@@leahjames6870 I think you're specifying more than the text or Jesus did. "You are the only true God". Looking at the entire verse, it is clear that Jesus was not speaking in relation to the Father individually, but God. In addition, whenever the Bible says something that is or similar to "[YHWH] is the one true God", it is always in comparison to idols or false gods. Also, by saying that the Father is the only true God, Jesus is not denying His Divine nature. The Father IS the only true God. Just like the Son is, as well as the Spirit. They are of the same essence. However, the individuality or distinctions of the Trinity does erase the unity the persons have in terms of holiness, and attributes. The Bible says countlessly that "God is holy". That means the Father is holy. The Son is holy. The Spirit is holy. But does the fact that they're all holy means they're all the same so therefore cannot be unique or in other words holy? Of course not. Because while they are distinct, they are all one singular God. I hope you at least barely understand my point seeing as the Trinity is extremely difficult to grasp. It's inexplicable to many degrees.
@@ilovekene9697 The trinity is difficult to grasp because it was never meant to be. GOD is not the author of confusion and that doctrine is confusion. The trinity is not a teaching from Christ nor his apostles. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where anyone believed such a thing??? Just one person. Christ’s divinity doesn’t mean he is GOD, unless other spiritual beings are God too🤔The Bible calls The Father GOD and Jesus called him the ONLY TRUE GOD. Jesus didn’t say “we” he said THEE, when speaking to The Father. The Father is ALWAYS called GOD, while Jesus is called The Lord. You can’t say 3 individuals, who are each separate and distinct from one another, each consisting of their OWN full divine essence, are all the ONE true God. That makes no sense at all. That’s polytheism. Unless you’re saying each person is a percentage of God, which is equally ridiculous. The GOD of Jesus, was The Father, not a trinity. The Father is the Holy Spirit, because that’s what he is, holy and spirit. Do you worship the same GOD that Jesus did, that his disciples did, that everyone in the Bible did??? These are the words of Paul, 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ONE LORD Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
This is a great conversation Someone one explained the Trinity to me as the Sun From the Sun comes light and heat but the Sun doesn’t have to stop being the Sun to provide light and heat
Thank you so much for this very informative and thought provoking conversation. I've always enjoyed Preston's conversations with other persons who subscribe to other worldviews. Always so gracious. Thank you both for this. God Bless you and your family
How wonderful it is to have this conversation available to me! I am so thankful Lord for you both having this platform to teach. I did not know how thirsty I am for the Word of God/Truth. Thank you for your faithfulness to God and for studying. Please have more podcasts like this, please, please. I know many love relationships, but I love learning scripture and I need it greatly. Please develop a book list to share with your listeners.
Preston was on fire with the explanation of God being love and how it further supports the Trinity. I had to pause, process, and type this comment. Great video you two!
The title of this episode intrigued me, but now I understand why it was titled this way…it brought me a lot of peace, thank you both for letting God use you.
I Love listening to you two!!! ❤️❤️ This is such a necessary conversation that is most definitely not easily understood in our humanness. Thank you for this. "Epistemology!!!"😂
I don’t think it’s that simple. Did the thief on the cross understand the trinity? What about the men from acts 19 who didn’t know what the baptism of the Holy Spirit was?… I think progressive revelation plays a part. So as long as you don’t reject what you know to be true and believe in Jesus, God will work it out as we persevere!
I love these conversations between you two. LOVE IT. So much love, respect and passion for God. May you two continue to live a long a prosperous life, God willing
If y’all are ever unsure about who this is for…. These conversations be for me! I’m not a new believer but I am recently learning language & history so that my faith is my own & not just something I inherited. ❤
This was so good. Truly thought-provoking and insightful convo needed in the body of Christ. I tried to explain the Trinity to children and used a fruit with three parts. Thank you both for going in-depth with this topic as I learned a lot. May God continue to bless and cover your union.
I watched this a while ago, and at the time I had no idea that you guys recommended Michael Reeves' book! I took a Christian Doctrine class last semester that used Michael Reeves' book to expound on the Trinity, and I was drawn to how Reeves wrote about the Trinity and fell in love with God even more. Coming back to this video right now, realizing that you guys recommended it, my mind is blown!
I'm currently getting ready to design a Bible elective for my homeschooled high schooler, and I want it to both encompass basic Bible theology and Christianity v world religions. Or maybe it'll end up being two electives, I'm not that far in, yet. I'm GOING TO USE THIS video when we get to the Trinity. I actually just had my two I homeschool in elementary sit and watch with me, and we paused and discussed on their level off and on. This was so chock full of beautiful truths, so WELL PUT. The references of the Godhead being One, the point on LOVE as an action being in eternal existence BECAUSE God is Triune, keeping in the forefront that Deut 29:29 truth; that God is not human and cannot fully be understood by us and He doesn't have to for us to know Him and receive His love, and-just all of it. And maybe I'm mistaken, but I appreciate you Jackie, for holding back (or maybe it just didn't come up like when I thought I saw it) on not doing the (what I've always thought was a) faux speaking-in-tongues-without-interpretantion interjection. I just feel your words stand so much taller, their meaning ring more clear, and the unintended distraction just doesn't exist when that's left out, so thank you today for opting out or leaving those out. EFS? Dig in later? Yes, please do!
As per usual, this is so informative. I'm so grateful for your ministry especially her ein social media where all over the world we get to part take and learn with understand. I love you fam. Bless you.
It would be amazing if you guys could discuss many second hand doctrine issues reagrding the church and the importance of togetherness and unity in Christ! But this was grea! It will give me great thought of knowing who Jesus is. Thank You!
I put this on while working and the amount of times I’m being distracted by this sound doctrine to gasp and write notes is unbelievable! I will need to relisten again when I’m just chilling because this is 🔥🔥🔥
when Preston starts talking about the trinity i wanna throw my phone. so good- praise God!!! you break it down in such a digestible way. i can’t wait to share these with my son when he needs this break down.
That was deep! Got me ordering books and praying for wisdom to understand Just Who God is! Thanks for the information! Thank you God for putting people among us to help us understand Who you are so we can Worship you and move accordingly!🙌
I spent some time researching on the trinity, so I have a good idea about what it's all about and its basically the same way you guys view the trinity. God is good!
Screaming cos I was actually (hayfever symptoms) digging up my noise when he said that. 😂😂 go on now Prophet Preston. Powerful word, love this. Very timely
I was praying the other day, a little bit frustrated at a situation I was dealing with and I went Holy Spirit, Jesus and God Almighty, one of You must be hearing me. Please help me out here!!
One of favorite videos! Loved and really appreciated this conversation! Y’alls flow just is so easy to listen to and so interesting! Also got the book you mentioned and started reading it and it has been AMAZING!! This book is literally making me want to read the Bible all over in light of seeing God as Father! Thank you so much for what you do! ❤️
Lol Im from Belleville and that’s 10 min from STL and we definitely add R’s to erthing lol. This was absolutely beautiful. I always appreciate your content as it is biblically based and sound. Thank you for using your platform (and marriage ministry) to demonstrate Christ’S love for humanity. ❤Blessings!
the way I explained the Trinity to my kids is like identical triplets... they share the same DNA and similarities but they each have their own personalities
We really do mean well don't we? We just want people to have a general understanding of how great and vast God is, sometimes we just get too caught up in our own ideas. Beautiful video, thank you for sharing
God said, "...let us make man in our image." It has nothing to do with how we look physically, but everything to do with the fact that we are three part beings. Father, son, holy spirit-spirit, soul, and body.
This is incredibly described....I had an old friend and he was trying to tell me that I need to leave my church because my pastor taught about the Trinity and baptized in The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. And it really rubbed me the wrong way but I believe in the Holy Trinity
It makes absolutely no logical sense for trinitarians to claim that they know God when they simultaneously claim that no one should try to understand the trinity doctrine. If the Bible supports a doctrine, it should be simple enough for its adherents to explain and prove without contradicting each other and scripture.
How do you explain the existence of love without God existing in three forms? If God is only one person, how could he ever conceive of love if there's no context for it? You can't have love unless you have at least two beings to receive and give love and the distinct existence of love as it's own eternal being because two beings wouldn't necessarily demand the existence of some bond between them.
Again such a great and informative podcast. Thanks for walking through the water metaphor and explaining the flaw in it because this is what I was taught and believed. Off topic- Would y'all be open to a podcast about marriage- protecting it/why we see so much divorce in the Christian community/etc.?
God bless the Perrys. This video was super helpful in clarifying some of the points of major confusion about the Trinity for me. I really admire and love the way you guys bring across these concepts in a way that is easier to grasp. You have a special gift. Thank you for sharing with us. 🤍 May God continue to bless and protect you as you fulfill your purpose. You have inspired me and your faith is very encouraging.
I love how this is explained! Not finished yet lol I particularly like how yall bring up the Council and actual church history! Yes! Any content on the creation of the Bible we have today and how we know if we can trust it per se??
Y’all did an excellent job on discussing the Trinity! I’ve always said we must avoid trying to explain the Trinity with “human” terms, God is not like us He is different. But what He has revealed about Himself in scripture we must believe/embrace. I look forward to the day when we will see Him as He is and be made like Him (I John 3:2) and even then He will still be greater! What an amazing God we serve!🙌🏽
I think the true issue is that Christians truly have difficulties understanding the Trinity/Godhead, so they can’t explain it well. It is okay to use human analogy. Jesus did the same while explaining the parables. He used objects that humans are familiar with, so that we can gain understanding of the gospel. This is done throughout the Bible. Personally, I would use the same tool, such as, the different forms of water, however, I wouldn’t explain it as it TRANSFORM from one form of water/entity to another. I would present the three states of water at the same time but say the Father, The Son and Holy Spirit are one in character, nature, principles, and purpose, but each has different role in the plan of salvation. The three states of water are the same: chemically (nature of it/ substance are the same). They are not the same physically (play different roles).
It is impossible for Him to do evil. Except when God (Jesus Christ) came in a form of man, then He was tempted in all points of evil, but chose to never sin, for our sake. When we read things in the Bible that occurred and appears to be unjust, we need to remember that we are not God and He can read hearts of men. He is and always a just God.
I love how they explained that God was never alone and He is Love; it was enlightening. It explains the importance of fellowship with brethren and the purpose of marriage. Don’t forsake the assembly of the brethren. It is not good to be alone. It just makes me think of those who struggle with depression and low self esteem. How they think that no one is like them, so they isolate themselves become subjected to more of Satan’s tact/torture. I realize that he uses the same exact formula (tact) on everyone but you wouldn’t know bc you don’t want to talk to anyone or the thoughts appears to be so believable and reasonable.
@@beejones0509 1. I want chapter and verse that the Father is a person
2. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is a person
3. I want chapter and verse that Jesus is the second person of the godhead
4. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the godhead
5. I want chapter and verse God is 3 persons
6. I want chapter and verse that His spirit is shared by 3 persons
7. Was the apostles disobedient for not bringing up Father and Holy Spirit in the baptism?
8. If God is our Father, why Stephen called him Lord Jesus in Acts 7:59?
9. If God is three persons, why Stephen responded only the 2nd person in Acts 7:59
10. In Mark 13:32 does the Holy Spirit is included for not knowing the day and hour of Christ's return?
11. How do the scriptures reveal to you that the Holy Spirit is lower rank than the Son of Man, if Jesus said if you blasphemy against the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven but will be forgiven if it’s against the Son of Man?
12. Who is the Great Dragon, the Old Serpent, and the Devil?
If you want to believe what is told in scripture, then let go of man made philosophies and believe the words of Jesus. He said that The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD John 17:3.
@@leahjames6870 Are you referring that to me?
Wow, I love the way you wrote this comment, "what He revealed about himself in scripture we must believe or embrace." It really is a relationship and intamcy with the Holy Spirit & relevant to how people struggle with relationships today, and may be why so many are struggling in relationships in general, now that I think about it. Trusting enough to let someone lead. Idk why, but the first thing this made me think of was a relationship & being intimate with the Holy Spirit, like in a union. Not in an inappropriate way, but in a way that allows trust and vulnerability.
Am I still confused? Yes. But still so madly in love with the triune God. I need a part two of this IMMEDIATELY
Hey blessings to you! Give a read to a book called “Oneness” by David K. Bernard! It radically changed my life!
@@gregmoore2875haven't read it yet but am interested
Okay this is me, I’m not alone 🙌🏽😅
@@gregmoore2875the oneness of God ? Is that what you’re referring to ? I ask because I looked it up and that’s what popped up
Eph 1:9 "Having made KNOW TO US the MYSTERY if his will" ( Greek 'mysteron' that which IS reavealed ) Thus Paul also said "God is not a GOD OF CONFUSION, but a God of peace". Its a total 'copout' to apply mystery' or 'confusion' to the 'trinity as a justification! its a FALSE doctrine along with all other confusing philosophies and notions of religion! The bible is clear & simple! There is but ONE GOD and Father of us all as Jesus Christ taught! "This means life eternal that they might know YOU THE ONLY TRUE GOD" ( John 17:3 part)
Testimony time! So God led me to this podcast a few of weeks ago…I didn’t fully understand why I was drawn to it. I thought the content and delivery was cool, so I watched many if not all the past episodes (I literally couldn’t stop watching it). During the same time I’ve been praying that God would help me to understand the trinity. The trinity has been one of the topics I’ve wrestled with in my faith walk. Growing up the trinity wasn’t explained in a way I resonated with (modalism) and even today I don’t hear the topic preached often. This podcast episode has brought so much clarity! I can’t fully express in words how grateful I am that God has used the Perrys to ignite a hunger to know Him on a deeper and intimate level. God bless you, Perry family! Pull up on us in the ATL!
That’s awesome! I recommend you watch Transformation Church’s “The Upgrade” series. It’s all about the Holy Spirit!
Don't they live in ATL!?
@@micahsales2524 yep
Trinity belief is Sun (Baal, Nimrod) Worship! The Messiah was brought forth BY the Father in the Beginning, that is why He is the only BEGOTTEN Ban (Son)!
So if all three are distinct from one another, that makes them 3 gods, not one. The role/essence “explanation” makes no sense whatsoever. Bible Truth is not complicated. But trinitarians complicate it and make it worse for those searching for the Truth
He’s such a good father! I am a believer and in my efforts to actually be learned the trinity has been kinda confusing in a way! I’ve been having conversations in my head like “I want to know you more” and I actually prayed that, then this video! Thanks for being an answered prayer🙏🏽
VA has a very close dialect to Chicago..
Trinity belief is Sun (Baal, Nimrod) Worship! The Messiah was brought forth BY the Father in the Beginning, that is why He is the only BEGOTTEN Ban (Son)!
A mystery can never be understood. So how can you have faith in something or someone mysterious??
Satan answered you, not YAHWEH homie 😂.
Preston is bang on: the Trinity actively loves each other Father Son Holy Spirit and therefore Being a God of Love pours that same love to us !! And He teaches us how to love !! Amen
1. I want chapter and verse that the Father is a person
2. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is a person
3. I want chapter and verse that Jesus is the second person of the godhead
4. I want chapter and verse that the Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the godhead
5. I want chapter and verse God is 3 persons
6. I want chapter and verse that His spirit is shared by 3 persons
7. Was the apostles disobedient for not bringing up Father and Holy Spirit in the baptism?
8. If God is our Father, why Stephen called him Lord Jesus in Acts 7:59?
9. If God is three persons, why Stephen responded only the 2nd person in Acts 7:59
10. In Mark 13:32 does the Holy Spirit is included for not knowing the day and hour of Christ's return?
11. How do the scriptures reveal to you that the Holy Spirit is lower rank than the Son of Man, if Jesus said if you blasphemy against the Holy Spirit you will not be forgiven but will be forgiven if it’s against the Son of Man?
12. Who is the Great Dragon, the Old Serpent, and the Devil?
No, it's a Satanic lie shawty.
While this word is packed and loaded with many benefits for my understanding of who God is and how He operates in Trinity, I cannot help but greatly admire the beauty of being able to come together as a couple and discuss such depths about God. Gosh its sexy and I look forward to doing this with my husband when He comes according to God's will 😍
I was a straight A student and always paid attention in class. I remember in fifth grade, how diligently I paid attention in this specific science lesson where we talked about the states of matter. Yesterday I asked God for a sign to show me that I’m doing the something right in pursuing Him. I’m a born again Christian since 2 years. When I was in primary school I was a devoted Buddhist. So my point is, God is amazing. He laid out my life in such a way, even the moments when I wasn’t a believer would help me with my relationship with Him. He made it so, that I paid attention in that specific class, so that I could come up with the metaphor of the Holy trinity being like water, gas, and ice so that one huge question that pesters many didn’t pester me because I had other things trying to separate me from God and if I had one more doubt I would have snapped. ( now im past that stage and have a beautiful stable relationship with Jesus). Im shocked by Gods wisdom and grace right now. He used seemingly insignificant moments in my life to help me understand Him. And He used this to show me that our relationship is based off of a good and correct foundation.( I saw a comment also talking about this water gas ice metaphor and the Holy Spirit revealed to me how in my life it all connects)
The states of matter is not like the clear cut structure of the Holy trinity but it makes this beautifully confusing Trinity a bit easier to decipher
Hallelujah, praise the Lord ❤️
Well said.
This was awesome!!
It NEVER CEASES TO CRACK ME UP how Preston just continues talking WHILE Jackie acts a fool (such as when he was talking about God and the water)!! He's so used to her foolishness! I love it 😹😹
Just to clarify for some, I’m a oneness Pentecostal, and we wholeheartedly believe Jesus is God! He is literally called Emanuel, which means “God with us” Matt 1:22-23! Isaiah 9:6 tells us that the son that is given shall be called “everlasting father”. That alone illustrates the mystery of the Godhead! The SON is described as the everlasting FATHER. God is one, and has always been. Deuteronomy 6:4 “hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is ONE!” I appreciate these Convo’s because they push us to study, and really evaluate what it is we believe.
What church do you go to? Husband and I have been looking for this.
@@Tishalocs I go to an apostolic church in Maryland. What state are you in?
@@janelle1150 we are in GA but if they have online we want to join in. Or refer us to one. We are in the metro area.
@@Tishalocs Cross Creek apostolic church! We do have online
This is true!
All I know is God is good, and I'm grateful for Him. Just a child reaching up for the hand and looking for the Face. ❤
Jackie, I first met you only about a year ago and your confidence about the scriptures left me feeling less than adequate. However the more I fought against listening to what you have to say. the more God kept bringing me back to you. The reason is slowly becoming obvious! Thank you. Preston was brilliant too. Ps: the world is shrinking by the minute. I live in Sierra Leone/West Africa and was able to catch this today 🙏🏾
I’m at work listening and lost track of what I was doing, multi-tasking, because this convo is so rich…like Popeyes biscuit back in the day lol thick but melt in your mouth rich. 😩😂 I may be hungry but y’all get it. I gotta go back and listen again. 🤯🤯
Don't listen again. Please don't ever look at this again.
That was a whole 5 course meal!! I’m so full, had to wear spandex, lol. Amen for the spiritual directive and teaching. My heart is inspired and encouraged 🙏
Also when Jesus is being baptized by John, Mathew 3: 16 " As soon as Jesus was baptized, he(Jesus) went up out of water. At that moment heaven was opened and he (John) saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him(Jesus). And a voice from heaven(God) said, " this is my son in whom I love; with him I am well Pleased." In this instance all three are present.
this was so informative, highly appreciate the way in which the two of you break things down and make it easier to understand. P.s I absolutely adore and love how the two of you interact as a union in discussions like these and unapologetically so, one can see that God put you two together and what a blessing it is to witness a Love that is of God🙈 It really excites me in praying for a future spouse (even though I am only 19),that we can grow in loving the Lord as a union. Thank you guys so much for your obedience to the Spirit and sharing the Word with us in the ways that you do. All the blessings, with Love from South Africa🌼❤
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14:06 😊
So grateful that God doesn’t call for us to understand BUT to just have faith and believe! Great conversation. Definitely going to revisit this
Don't revisit it. It's Satanic teaching.
Y'all did an EXCELLENT job!!! I think I will no longer use modalities to explain God but say what the Scriptures say.
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27:27 - 27:50 hit me like a ton of bricks. God is love. He did not have to become love(ing). He has always loved perfectly.
That same God loves me??!?!?!?!?!
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If you believe in eternal hell torment you do NOT believe in the God of love who is the God of Jesus
I enjoy these sessions and these people -- together and individually. So good.
The whole triune God is active in keeping, saving, and preserving us. The whole God is at work! 🔥🔥🔥
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Growing up Pentecostal I can say that there was some confusion with trinity but for the most part we believed that God was one God that existed in three persons. Not that God stopped being the Father to become the Son. They all exist at the same time and separately yet as one.
Same, I was so confused when they kept saying pentecostals believe in modalism. I’d guess the pentecostal churches they were in contact with believed in modalism, because the one I grew up in did not. My pastor actually preached against modalism.
@@ketsspace816 Yes. I figured that as well. I know for some in the Pentecostal faith that do very poor jobs of teaching Bible properly. So I’m sure some do believe in modalism.
Modern day Apostolics and some Oneness Pentecostals teach modalism some aware and unaware.
Me too! I am like what? No. God is 1 all at the same time.
No.
This is SOOOOO good. Let Him use you! Thank you for being shepherds we need in this day and time🙏🏾❤️
This was so good! Can we get a part two? And can we get more history lessons as well. I had to stop and chew on this all day
Agreeee
I second thisss!!!
Agreed!!!
Agreed part 2 please
That water-ice-vapour model is exactly what I was taught while hearing that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were one in three persons, which is a foreign concept to understand. So while people would tell me this true concept, they would explain it in a very wrong way. Hurt my understanding of Holy Spirit and reliance on Him badly
I’ve seen someone say, “The Godhead is like the links in a pretzel. Three links, all forming one pretzel. Unique from each other, but completely enjoined.” Not a perfect example, but maybe drawing on the Scutum Fidel
That shit is some dumb bs 😂.
@@MosesHanma What are you doing here? That’s weird
@@excellenceadigun9093 It's weird that you as a grown ass black man is talking like a black woman. See what happens when you watch too much of this stuff? 😭
You're Trinity teaching is false and is going to give you a one way ticket to the second death. You still have eternal life afterwards though so thank God for that.
Love is a state of being and you can feel love without acting. Maybe that’s why God says I am that I am
Her hair is exquisite.
Great video, The trinity being “created” at the council of Nicea is prolly one of the most prominent lies out there. The whole purpose of that council was to excommunicate Arian heretics, not to decide if the trinity exists or not. Also, St Dionysius, who was a direct disciple of the apostle Paul is quoted in the 1st century AD, talking about the trinity, so the doctrine existed well before that council even occurred
The council of Nicaea solidified the trinity doctrine. But may I ask you a question. Jesus said that The Father is the ONLY TRUE GOD in John 17:3. Was he correct???
@@leahjames6870 I think you're specifying more than the text or Jesus did. "You are the only true God". Looking at the entire verse, it is clear that Jesus was not speaking in relation to the Father individually, but God. In addition, whenever the Bible says something that is or similar to "[YHWH] is the one true God", it is always in comparison to idols or false gods. Also, by saying that the Father is the only true God, Jesus is not denying His Divine nature. The Father IS the only true God. Just like the Son is, as well as the Spirit. They are of the same essence. However, the individuality or distinctions of the Trinity does erase the unity the persons have in terms of holiness, and attributes. The Bible says countlessly that "God is holy". That means the Father is holy. The Son is holy. The Spirit is holy. But does the fact that they're all holy means they're all the same so therefore cannot be unique or in other words holy? Of course not. Because while they are distinct, they are all one singular God. I hope you at least barely understand my point seeing as the Trinity is extremely difficult to grasp. It's inexplicable to many degrees.
@@ilovekene9697 The trinity is difficult to grasp because it was never meant to be. GOD is not the author of confusion and that doctrine is confusion. The trinity is not a teaching from Christ nor his apostles. Can you show me anywhere in the Bible where anyone believed such a thing??? Just one person. Christ’s divinity doesn’t mean he is GOD, unless other spiritual beings are God too🤔The Bible calls The Father GOD and Jesus called him the ONLY TRUE GOD. Jesus didn’t say “we” he said THEE, when speaking to The Father. The Father is ALWAYS called GOD, while Jesus is called The Lord. You can’t say 3 individuals, who are each separate and distinct from one another, each consisting of their OWN full divine essence, are all the ONE true God. That makes no sense at all. That’s polytheism. Unless you’re saying each person is a percentage of God, which is equally ridiculous. The GOD of Jesus, was The Father, not a trinity. The Father is the Holy Spirit, because that’s what he is, holy and spirit. Do you worship the same GOD that Jesus did, that his disciples did, that everyone in the Bible did???
These are the words of Paul,
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ONE LORD Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
This is a great conversation
Someone one explained the Trinity to me as the Sun
From the Sun comes light and heat but the Sun doesn’t have to stop being the Sun to provide light and heat
Thank you so much for this very informative and thought provoking conversation. I've always enjoyed Preston's conversations with other persons who subscribe to other worldviews. Always so gracious. Thank you both for this.
God Bless you and your family
How wonderful it is to have this conversation available to me! I am so thankful Lord for you both having this platform to teach. I did not know how thirsty I am for the Word of God/Truth. Thank you for your faithfulness to God and for studying. Please have more podcasts like this, please, please. I know many love relationships, but I love learning scripture and I need it greatly. Please develop a book list to share with your listeners.
Wow listen to you🤭may The Lord increase you mightily and even to the point of knowledge of Him! 🙌
Preston was on fire with the explanation of God being love and how it further supports the Trinity. I had to pause, process, and type this comment. Great video you two!
This was so beautiful, refreshing and enlightening. Also, Jackie yelling “EPISTEMOLOGY?!” took me out😂
took me clean out lol
Same here!🤣
Im not sure why this is so hard to understand 😊 but i love the way you explained it, perfectly said Jackie and pres
This is beautiful. Thank you God for using them as a vessel.
The title of this episode intrigued me, but now I understand why it was titled this way…it brought me a lot of peace, thank you both for letting God use you.
POWERFUL discussion 💯 grateful to watch!
As a 22 year old that’s studying the Bible & working at building my relationship with God this just helped me so much. Thank you
I Love listening to you two!!! ❤️❤️ This is such a necessary conversation that is most definitely not easily understood in our humanness. Thank you for this. "Epistemology!!!"😂
Woah woah! My mind has been blown. When Preston speaks about The Trinity working in creation, there was a total shift. I never noticed this.
I don’t think it’s that simple. Did the thief on the cross understand the trinity? What about the men from acts 19 who didn’t know what the baptism of the Holy Spirit was?… I think progressive revelation plays a part. So as long as you don’t reject what you know to be true and believe in Jesus, God will work it out as we persevere!
It was a real pleasure hearing Preston speaking of such deep theological truths - well done you two 👏🏻🤗🇦🇺
I love these conversations between you two. LOVE IT. So much love, respect and passion for God. May you two continue to live a long a prosperous life, God willing
If y’all are ever unsure about who this is for…. These conversations be for me! I’m not a new believer but I am recently learning language & history so that my faith is my own & not just something I inherited. ❤
This was so good. Truly thought-provoking and insightful convo needed in the body of Christ. I tried to explain the Trinity to children and used a fruit with three parts. Thank you both for going in-depth with this topic as I learned a lot. May God continue to bless and cover your union.
There's so much to know about God and sometimes we'll never everything about him. And that's the beauty of our Wonderful God🙏🏾
I watched this a while ago, and at the time I had no idea that you guys recommended Michael Reeves' book! I took a Christian Doctrine class last semester that used Michael Reeves' book to expound on the Trinity, and I was drawn to how Reeves wrote about the Trinity and fell in love with God even more. Coming back to this video right now, realizing that you guys recommended it, my mind is blown!
Y'all start off the conversation totally off topic and it's hilarious I love this dialogue🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm currently getting ready to design a Bible elective for my homeschooled high schooler, and I want it to both encompass basic Bible theology and Christianity v world religions. Or maybe it'll end up being two electives, I'm not that far in, yet. I'm GOING TO USE THIS video when we get to the Trinity. I actually just had my two I homeschool in elementary sit and watch with me, and we paused and discussed on their level off and on.
This was so chock full of beautiful truths, so WELL PUT. The references of the Godhead being One, the point on LOVE as an action being in eternal existence BECAUSE God is Triune, keeping in the forefront that Deut 29:29 truth; that God is not human and cannot fully be understood by us and He doesn't have to for us to know Him and receive His love, and-just all of it.
And maybe I'm mistaken, but I appreciate you Jackie, for holding back (or maybe it just didn't come up like when I thought I saw it) on not doing the (what I've always thought was a) faux speaking-in-tongues-without-interpretantion interjection. I just feel your words stand so much taller, their meaning ring more clear, and the unintended distraction just doesn't exist when that's left out, so thank you today for opting out or leaving those out.
EFS? Dig in later? Yes, please do!
Thank you so much. This explanation has been the best I have heard. It hit the nail on the head. Thank you 🙏🏾
“The fact He showed up as a pot and a torch is ALL the proof I need to know that God is DIFFERENT!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
9:55 I NEED Jackie in frame so badly this made me laugh so hard
The movie The Shack displays the separation of the 3 memeners of the trinity. The book was even more amazing. I love it. Great discussion
As per usual, this is so informative. I'm so grateful for your ministry especially her ein social media where all over the world we get to part take and learn with understand. I love you fam. Bless you.
The best breakdown of God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. GOD IS LOVE!!! BOOM!! The WHOLE GOD, WOW!!! love this with the Perrys!!!!!
This is so important 👏. Especially when you have people that say they love God but reject Jesus and His salvation. God help us all
It would be amazing if you guys could discuss many second hand doctrine issues reagrding the church and the importance of togetherness and unity in Christ! But this was grea! It will give me great thought of knowing who Jesus is. Thank You!
I put this on while working and the amount of times I’m being distracted by this sound doctrine to gasp and write notes is unbelievable! I will need to relisten again when I’m just chilling because this is 🔥🔥🔥
Don’t try to figure out something I haven’t revealed about myself. Powerful
I absolutely love conversations like this!!!! More please!! And May GOD continue to bless your family with everything your hearts desires 👏🏾👏🏾✌🏽
Oh my goodness Jackie, I love your sense of humour 😂
when Preston starts talking about the trinity i wanna throw my phone. so good- praise God!!! you break it down in such a digestible way. i can’t wait to share these with my son when he needs this break down.
I enjoyed this. I've done a few things on the Trinity in my ministry. It just helps to be extra careful with our words. Perfect.
I’m about to take all the notes! Yes!
Thank you for the message...one in the same...3 persons in one...That's Him!! That same God!! I can't even begin to comprehend.
I love the banter before y'all get into the topic. Plss keep that
That was deep! Got me ordering books and praying for wisdom to understand Just Who God is! Thanks for the information! Thank you God for putting people among us to help us understand Who you are so we can Worship you and move accordingly!🙌
I spent some time researching on the trinity, so I have a good idea about what it's all about and its basically the same way you guys view the trinity. God is good!
I am one who disagrees with the doctrine of the trinity as well. I do appreciate the effort to share your understanding of the Godhead. Blessings.
Screaming cos I was actually (hayfever symptoms) digging up my noise when he said that. 😂😂 go on now Prophet Preston. Powerful word, love this. Very timely
I was praying the other day, a little bit frustrated at a situation I was dealing with and I went Holy Spirit, Jesus and God Almighty, one of You must be hearing me. Please help me out here!!
I just LoVe this wisdom you have shared with us. Thank you for expanding our minds on the TRINITY. You 2 ARE AWESOME 👏🏽
One of favorite videos! Loved and really appreciated this conversation! Y’alls flow just is so easy to listen to and so interesting! Also got the book you mentioned and started reading it and it has been AMAZING!! This book is literally making me want to read the Bible all over in light of seeing God as Father! Thank you so much for what you do! ❤️
I'll sure listen to this a thousand times over🔥🔥🔥🔥
Yall just flow and bounce off each other. Love it. Reminds me of my hubby and I when teaching our youth and and other believer's
Woooowwww that revelation that that person got at the end of the video that JHP explained really blew me away! Really enjoyed this conversation!
Very deep teaching also deep preaching with spiritual growth in it its touchable
I told my 6 year old, God is God and you will never be him. She said I know, I’m human.
Lol Im from Belleville and that’s 10 min from STL and we definitely add R’s to erthing lol.
This was absolutely beautiful. I always appreciate your content as it is biblically based and sound. Thank you for using your platform (and marriage ministry) to demonstrate Christ’S love for humanity. ❤Blessings!
That was EXCELLENT! A wonderful conversation on the Trinity. I'm going to have my middle and high schoolers listen, too. Praise Yahweh for you both! 🙌
The way this video is in such a devine timing. My friends and I literally had a whole conversation about this!
the way I explained the Trinity to my kids is like identical triplets... they share the same DNA and similarities but they each have their own personalities
We really do mean well don't we? We just want people to have a general understanding of how great and vast God is, sometimes we just get too caught up in our own ideas.
Beautiful video, thank you for sharing
This is one of those I have to watch again!!!! So much knowledge but all submitted under Christ! Praise Him🙌🏾
Bless you both!
Not only except it but also try to understand that it is a mystery our human minds will never quite grasp, and that is OK. It is by faith we are safe.
PRESTON!!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾 Yessss sir! Great teaching yall❤
This was beautiful... absolutely so much information in this lesson.. I truly appreciate this...🙌🏾🙌🏾
Listened to the podcast. Back for the visual. This was so insightful and helped me. Thanks Perrys.
God said, "...let us make man in our image." It has nothing to do with how we look physically, but everything to do with the fact that we are three part beings. Father, son, holy spirit-spirit, soul, and body.
this is FIRE I Love it!!!
This is incredibly described....I had an old friend and he was trying to tell me that I need to leave my church because my pastor taught about the Trinity and baptized in The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. And it really rubbed me the wrong way but I believe in the Holy Trinity
It makes absolutely no logical sense for trinitarians to claim that they know God when they simultaneously claim that no one should try to understand the trinity doctrine. If the Bible supports a doctrine, it should be simple enough for its adherents to explain and prove without contradicting each other and scripture.
How do you explain the existence of love without God existing in three forms? If God is only one person, how could he ever conceive of love if there's no context for it? You can't have love unless you have at least two beings to receive and give love and the distinct existence of love as it's own eternal being because two beings wouldn't necessarily demand the existence of some bond between them.
Such good content - such good quality. Good job to whoever edits and films! Great production.
Thank yall
I remember that EXACT water-ice-steam analogy repeatedly used in youth group. Praise the Lord for revelation and clarity!
Thanks my pastor God is Love With that Trinity Amen from South Africa
Again such a great and informative podcast. Thanks for walking through the water metaphor and explaining the flaw in it because this is what I was taught and believed.
Off topic- Would y'all be open to a podcast about marriage- protecting it/why we see so much divorce in the Christian community/etc.?
God bless the Perrys. This video was super helpful in clarifying some of the points of major confusion about the Trinity for me. I really admire and love the way you guys bring across these concepts in a way that is easier to grasp. You have a special gift. Thank you for sharing with us. 🤍
May God continue to bless and protect you as you fulfill your purpose. You have inspired me and your faith is very encouraging.
I love how this is explained! Not finished yet lol I particularly like how yall bring up the Council and actual church history! Yes! Any content on the creation of the Bible we have today and how we know if we can trust it per se??
And this now makes sense aligned with Jesus’s prayer for us in John 17 wow… that we may be one as He and the Father are one…
Also when Jackie shouted “ Epistemology” that cracked me up so much 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was so righteously explained , without taking or adding anything outside pf the scripture. God bless you.