The Apache is brilliant. But RC 390 has a slightly better suspension and more power. The RC is for someone who knows exactly what they want from their bike and sees race lines in real time 😂. Where as the Apache /BMW is much more forgiving and will give you a true sense of security around corners. You should see the BMW in real life. Or Apache they're both breathtaking :p They look like big bikes as well. If they price it 800-1000 euros/ pounds cheaper than the RC it could well be worth it for the Euro/Brit bros.
@@thedrifter8641 Exactly my point. Most people build their opinion based upon some reviews by journalist, most of them having no idea about the technicalities except they reiterate the specs sheet. For outright track performance, it's KTM and for all rounder services it's RR310. (However, 2022 RC390 has lost some of the outright track dynamics in favour of being road friendly).
Completely agree, if we get that BMW version here in MX, I would go for the TVS and not expend more money by just getting the BMW brand. I am not sure if we get all the options for the TVS here in MX, but we do get the two color options and it does come with the Road 5s. I also agree that the KTM is way better than the TVS and more sporty so if BMW expects to get more people into their bike by saying that is the best sports bike under 500cc they are completely crazy. With the current economy situation pretty much the same everywhere (Prices going higher) I don't think people will be willing to pay more just to get a nice BMW logo.
Exactly this exact same bike which is tvs apache rr 310 with just bmw colour scheme and bmw logo. Even ktm engines are produced by bajaj for indian and South American markets.
I don't know. Unlike us, some people are shallow enough to purchase a BMW motor for the purposes of telling non riders or other riders that eyyy my bike's fancier than yours it's a bmw and will probably buy that bike as opposed to getting the RC390
Sportiest- Yes Most Desirable-No Reason- ugly front design. Our So called Squids say that the previous Gen looked more aggressive. Should have designed like the rc8 but I like the new rc390 design. But they will go for the BMW cuz they wanna show off the BMW Logo lol.
TVS basically perfected the engine, reduced the vibration and made the apache 310rr a better and more affordable bike than the BMW 310 twins. And when the product was completely finished.. BMW just took it, put on some BMW stickers, Downgraded the tyres and removed the optional accessories and selling it for higher price. Even being higher priced, The BMW will still sell a lot as most people here care more about brand than the value... Also don't forget the 3 times servicing cost the BMW is gonna charge for the same motorcycle. The product is also mostly developed for other Asian markets than US & Europe as here most of the roads are filled with curves and lot of traffic and we find very less long straights here and because of that the maximum safe speeds possible are usually below 100kmph that's the the riding modes make sense here.
I've had my first bike, a 2018 G310R for about a year. Started with 5k miles and now have close to 12k miles. While it's not the fastest, it is light enough to enjoy through the twisties. Reliability has been great so for $3500 I'm pretty happy with it.
Coming from a country where small bikes and mid size bikes are well known. TVS Apache competes with Sport tour bike called Dominar 400 which has the same motor as the KTM Duke 390... in general everyone chooses the Dominar 400 due to its versatility to travel, speed, and comfort seating position. But if only talk about sport bikes... R3 is the choice just cause speed, reliability and maintenance. And if its sold in US or UK, I don't think it could be a possible competition unless people go for the looks, which I can't lie. It's a gorgeous one
Dominar 400 is a great bike. It is also more affordable than Apache in India. 40HP, 35 nm torque, 27 km/l mileage. Without a doubt, this is a great value for money bike.
The BMW might do better in European markets especially at places where small capacity motorcycles are a thing. Here in India people still prefer TVS because of the pricing and after sale service. BMW should've atleast changed the bike a little bit aesthetically and that's just my opinion. But people here in India are already hating the BMW because of no changes to the bike apart from a diffrent paint scheme and a higher price tag plus the shitty after sales service.
@@dhruvjadoun i absolutely agree with what you feel... I mean if BMW would've slightly given this bike a 'facelift' with a different exhaust and wheels, the price could've been justified.. But unfortunately it's just TVS Apache with a different paint scheme
@@christopherbiomass7155 actually no, bmw will surely sell anyways with their branding and their target market is most likely not India anyways. it doesn't make sense for them to add production cost, why do you think they partnered with TVS instead if developing their own small displacement bije.
When I saw the teasers for BMW, I thought it was TVS manufacturing for BMW for sale outside India, but here we are. And about that low powered rain mode on a 34 Bhp machine, it only makes sense when the roads are not very good, and that's what it is here in India.
Riding modes for a 34 bhp bike is nothing more than a gimmick. Even for indian roads if people can't drive this bike even in pouring rain they should learn how to drive first.
Given the options, my choice is easy. RC390. If BMW improved the suspension or engine power of the G310RR, there would at least be consideration (but doing that would probably increase the price enough that it would still lose).
I live in Europe, bought a 310GS in january. I got a bit hyped when they announced the RR but I start to realize it’s got the same engine, brakes, suspension and gear box, yet it only has a different paint job. Imho the RR is the definition and illustration of a ripoff in the dictionary
My current cb500f also doesn't have any aids except abs, and with 48hp it's also really manageable. You just have to be careful to not give it the beans when going over wet road noodles, that one time I was doing a rolling burnout at 100kmh lmao. Thankfully didn't crash that day lol. But other than on wet autumn leaves my rear hasn't slid at all despite having mediocre (not really good tires because the rear abs always goes on if I break slightly harder) tires.
@@ritzrocks98 with an m2 comp you're really not saving any money in fuel and service by getting the 310 over the 1000. The 1000 will outperform your m2 (despite it being probably the best car you can get atm) and cost way less.
If some riders are willing to pay the asking price, then the company priced their bikes at the correct asking price. But if you are comparing, then I personally believed most european bikes are over priced.
I though european bikes are cheaper. It’s 7600++ euro here exclude taxes (after conversion). I brought yamaha R15 for 4394 euro. Sometimes I’m having thought to move oversea. Would never achieve my dream bike if i stays here unless i am corrupt government staff
@@talkless-domore whatever gave you the idea that european bikes are cheaper? European bike are not known for reliability, so why would they be cheaper?
Still waiting on the g xxx rr version of the f900r ... maybe the rs660 and r7 can breath a li bit life in the mid range sportsbike class ( maybe a road legal r9/mt09 or rc8/890duke will be presented too in the future) 🫠
No petal discs are not just for show that wavy structure helps them disipate more heat while breaking than regular round discs. petal discs are more efficient in short apache has amazing. Breaks while bmw gets trash breaks
The issue with smaller power figures is, the roads, they're terrible. First,if one owns a track bike, they use it for almost every scenario. Second, even if one wants to get on a track, it's not affordable for a lot of people and this this a classic 2nd world problem, if you will. So bikers end up on public roads to enjoy the speed.
If you're honest with yourself, anything above 48hp is actually half asleep on the streets. My cb500f does 90kmh in 2nd, that's all I can go up to to be under 100kmh for backroads, highways are boring, and in the city you're never gonna rev through first gear. I'm mainly only revving to 4000rpm and using 1-4th gear. With two more gears and redline at 8000 or something I'm hardly using the engine at all.
I think you haven't seen indian city road conditions and i have the previous version of this bike without the power modes so i have to be very careful with clutch ....so yes i do think in city lower torque helps
been riding my cb500f in the city for 4 years now, 48hp, no tsr, no modes, and shitty dunlops. I've not had a problem with the bike yet. Even today with rainy fall weather with wet leaves everywhere, you just need to know how to ride.
@@Daniel-dj7fh then maybe you are a better rider than me but this is what i felt and feel every day the clutch is overly sensitive and lil bit mistake leads to bike engine turning off
@@ddevil9718 why is your race tuned bike focused on 0-100? Yeah my bike is a street bike, so are the rc390, r3, etc, etc. They're all not really race bikes.
Well the new BMW G310RR is a good looking machine. Especially in that BMW white with graphics. Wish BMW could have changed at least the front styling to give the G 310 RR its own unique looks. Personal my choice will be the TVS because for less cash it gives the same good looks, Amazing built quality,same levels of performance, but with more extra features that the BMW Misses. The KTM is also a realy awesome machine,it looks sharp and modern. The design is on the functional side though rather than being aesthetics side. it got more power and performance, its slightly practical thanks features larger 13.7 litter fuel tank, pillion grab bars for the rear seat. Compared Apache here in India it doesn't comes with adjustable front suspension like in UK or the Europen market's. Still its a good option to have.
Don't fall into the trap of judging a bike by its specs, they don't tell the whole story and many machines are much more than a sum of the parts, the Interceptor/Continental are perfect examples of this.
@@WeaselKonig I wouldn't say that, on paper many Honda's don't look so great, but they are still really good bikes, and some bikes that look good on paper are almost unridable. Harley Davidson would be another example of a bike that doesn't stack up on paper but is highly desirable.
@@onecookieboy no those Hondas are pretty meh in person too. I was very disappointed in the Honda 500 twin engine. The only thing that saves the Royal Enfield 650’s is you expect them to feel lazy and relaxed.
Interestingly In India we have a Ninja 300 also available for additional 20000 Rupees premium which produces a way better 39.5horses and has excellent top speed of 178km+. Since TVS Apache already available BMW should have re tuned the engines and made it more powerful to compete with RC390 and N300. But as mentioned by you there is no change in this bike other than the BMW body cover and badging. 😊.
Being an Indian i can say you are spot on about the tvs and bmw facts and specs. What I don't understand is why BMW waited for so long to launch this bike. It doesn't make much sense to buy the BMW as it's too expensive and doesn't have the premium factor over the RR310 in any way, except may be for the after sales service.
I own the TVS RR310 that too in an average city Gwalior. And I am happy with the services provided here. The bike is thoroughly diagnosed and serviced. No questions asked.
TVS service centers have exclusive service foremen for 310rr at their selective service centers. They have been trained by BMW and they know what they are doing, unlike the mechanics for the regular bikes. As such, it's better to go with TVS. Moreover, most people in 3rd world countries like India don't care about the branding but real world usability. 💡
@@dhruvjadoun bro I'm also from Gwalior and wanted to purchase rr310 bto but I've talked to an rr310's owner and he wasn't happy with the aftersales service and watced many videos on TH-cam they were all the same ( bad quality service). That's why I'm being a little bit concious of should I buy a rr310 or not
@@Writerography listen to your heart. buy what you actually want to, but for me i am happy with the service and the bike itself. Javed, the service guy is good at his work, he has the knowledge.
If you have the option buy TVS, it’s cheaper both are made by TVS but TVS gets some parts in better quality and the service cost is 1/3rd of BMW even using the same spares and oil and everything you pay 3 times the labour charges 2 times for oil change and the oil is exactly the same made by same company. That’s all BMW TAX. Brake feel is also better on TVS
I have BMW 310GS adventure bike. Compare that to my R3, the BMW is very very slow. The design looks awesome, but I doubt it if any better than 310GS, you won't exceed 100mph, and if head wind, you will struggle to keep up with traffic.
I think they will tweak the engine to make it a sport bike feel engine bro.. same as kawasaki z900rs engine which is also the same engine in the z900 with a difference of 20 or 30 ponies.. so yeah..there’s that possibility..
2:24 Yes It's necessary in our country India as we have a lot of traffic here and fuel prices are too high all over the world, so that urban mode is there for fuel economy.
Most riders won't realise that it's a rebranded TVS, and will buy it because it has BMW on it. No idea how much TVS servicing is in the UK. But, the last time I owned a BMW, it ended up being serviced by the local Honda dealer, as I couldn't believe how much BMW wanted for a service. The "but it's a fixed price all over Europe sir, so you'll know how much you'll be charged even when you are outside the UK", didn't really fill me full of joy. Especially after they charged me for the first service (which was supposed to be free at the time), because I didn't bring the bike back to the dealer I bought it from !
TVS servicing costs around 3k-7k rupees in India depending on the conditions of the bike while the naked g310r costs around 7k-25k depending on the conditions of the bike. So I would say that TVS servicing would be cheaper than the BMW. I am not sure tbh
6:14 what i feel..?? okay, here it is.... i wanted KTM to go with something like this BMW in case of headlight styling.... KTM kind of ruined it all with this new model.... for BMW/TVS, I wanted them to go with something like KTM's race steering setup instead of the current touring one, but they didn't. If I buy any of these, I'll try to get these things changed for sure....
TVS offers the race settings in the optional Built to Order (BTO) variant. It has a race package, which raises footpegs to a racier position (similar to RC) and lowers the handlebars, to give a perfect rider triangle for races. Moreover, it offers a Dynamic package, which offers fully adjustable front suspension. 😄
34hp! That's a huge amount of power! Good that it has a power mode to limit it to 25hp! *Sarcastic mode off* What a useless thing! Its just for posers say "mine is better than yours, it has power modes"!
This thing just makes 0 sense when the R3 and RC390 exist. It would be cool to see a small track/race focused bike from BMW with some actual effort behind it, but this ain’t it chief
400cc is the minimum in Philippines to enter express way. @5:45 uhm there is the Kawasaki ZX25r 51hp and up to 100hp Turbo kit by Trickstar. (Asian market)
I am a BMW owner and rider, that being said I would never buy this bike (or any 310 BMWs) even if I was back in India. BMWs are usually better in their premium segment, for this price range there are better bikes.
If you live in a crowded city and need to save money in gas(petrol) you do what you can to save some.. considering fuel prices have gone double in less than a year.,
Honda CBR500 would be my preference if it counts as a sub 500 😂 R3 also ace if not. I think the KTM makes sense as a new purchase but wouldn’t want one out of warranty period 😂 the CF Moto 300 SR is probably a more direct competitor power wise and comes in at sub four grand with a 4 year warranty as well. Personally it’s a used Honda or R3 for me over a new one of these any day!
I noticed something with some BMW customers (not all mind you) when I sold them. For the status seeker customers if we think we could have put the BMW roundel on a stinking pile of dog 💩 they would paid a premium price for it. I never understood that status above value way of thinking but those customers seems to have more education than intelligence. BMW knows their customer base and know the foolish among them will happily hand over a premium price for less than premium hardware.
I just wonder how BMW decided to stick to a single whilst Yamaha, and Kawasaki are doing twins. If this was a twin 270° it would make it way more interesting than what it is atm.
Talking about riding modes and traction control/quick shifters in such small capacity bike is (including KTMs 390 series), in not so developed countries, people rarely buy motorcycles for tracks or racing! It is their everyday bike to buy groceries or to have fun weekend ride and with all due respect, not everyone can afford Lr class motorcycle and even if you do, you don’t have such good road to drive on. Moreover, there is no hard traffic rules that are being followed, hence just one mistake of yours/someone else and you are gone ! So such features provide best of both world in most affordable price one can imagine. 😊 ps - no intention to hurt anyone’s feeling. Just providing real world scene from a bike enthusiast! ✌🏻
I have a KTM RC 390 (2021). The BMW looks cool, but am I willing to lose 10 horsepower? ... But, I have had an awful experience with KTM's after-sales service in my country, whereas BMW is characterized by being very customer-oriented... I think that if I change it, it will be to have a small sporty BMW and an adventure one over 600 cc (or café racer). I think this BMW will be particularly good for young people and for those who want to have a sport one to use from time to time
It is necessary to have these riding modes when you live in this densely populated country where you are really conscious about people and petrol.......
KTM 390 makes 44 HP at 9000 rpm. I ride a GSX and love power but my girls little Duke 390 has me wearing a shit eating grin. The 310 BMWs at work are wet socks in comparison. Comfortable sure, but it doesn't eclipse the rawness of the KTM with its nice tech, abs and piles of stability in a tight chassis. It was cheap as hell too. The RC would be a better option, for the cost especially.
What kind of rhetoric question is that ? OF COURSE IT'S OVERPRICED ! Look at the badge, it's says BMW, a.k.a BrokeMyWallet. Built like a TATA Nano and priced like an M5. 😂
Ktm has well known engine issues. Heaps of videos in you tube itself. Yes definitely ktm looks better. But reliability is more important than looks for sure.
I'm pretty sure my old Derbi GPR-125 had 34bhp and weighed a hell of a lot less than that, and that was about 20 years ago. It also looked stunning in its silver paint.
The Cagiva Mito Racing I owned when I was 16 had 37hp, no traction control, no ABS on Brembo front and rear brakes. Riding modes on a 30hp bike? Come on…
Greetings fellow 2T veteran, I've ridden the Cagiva Planet and owned a Derbi GRP. At the risk of showing my age, these kids today don't know what they're missing. I mean a 125 that could scare R6 riders on the twisties, we'll never see that again.
KTM 390 is sure better in almost every aspect, but the BMW name is something people wont ignore, sure its more expensive for literally no reason, but everyone knows BMWs lion s1k, and a baby version aint that bad, especially since it looks pretty cool also.
CFmoto 450 SR with 50hp, brembo brakes, and much cheaper. Just had a look at it today and it's beautiful. and then there's the ninja 400, ZX25R. I don't think BMW's claim are anywhere near the truth lol.
@@saltytwat5090 RC fan boys can’t digest that other is also good too. Not the first time. RC is a good bike but apache is better. RC is faster than apache. But apache is well planted & gives better stability. Haven’t rode new version, but i believe it’s better than previous one for majority of new & old bikers.
The Apache is brilliant. But RC 390 has a slightly better suspension and more power.
The RC is for someone who knows exactly what they want from their bike and sees race lines in real time 😂.
Where as the Apache /BMW is much more forgiving and will give you a true sense of security around corners.
You should see the BMW in real life.
Or Apache they're both breathtaking :p
They look like big bikes as well.
If they price it 800-1000 euros/ pounds cheaper than the RC it could well be worth it for the Euro/Brit bros.
Here in India, the on road price difference is about 740 Euros.
wtf are you smokin'? how is non adjustable suspension better than adjustable suspension 😯
"RC 390 has a slightly better suspension"
-How did you determine this?
@@thedrifter8641 Exactly my point. Most people build their opinion based upon some reviews by journalist, most of them having no idea about the technicalities except they reiterate the specs sheet. For outright track performance, it's KTM and for all rounder services it's RR310. (However, 2022 RC390 has lost some of the outright track dynamics in favour of being road friendly).
Completely agree, if we get that BMW version here in MX, I would go for the TVS and not expend more money by just getting the BMW brand. I am not sure if we get all the options for the TVS here in MX, but we do get the two color options and it does come with the Road 5s. I also agree that the KTM is way better than the TVS and more sporty so if BMW expects to get more people into their bike by saying that is the best sports bike under 500cc they are completely crazy. With the current economy situation pretty much the same everywhere (Prices going higher) I don't think people will be willing to pay more just to get a nice BMW logo.
Exactly this exact same bike which is tvs apache rr 310 with just bmw colour scheme and bmw logo. Even ktm engines are produced by bajaj for indian and South American markets.
I don't know. Unlike us, some people are shallow enough to purchase a BMW motor for the purposes of telling non riders or other riders that eyyy my bike's fancier than yours it's a bmw and will probably buy that bike as opposed to getting the RC390
"G310 RR is the sportiest and most desirable sports bike in the sub-500 class"
*Laughs in RC390*
Sportiest- Yes
Most Desirable-No
Reason- ugly front design. Our So called Squids say that the previous Gen looked more aggressive. Should have designed like the rc8 but I like the new rc390 design. But they will go for the BMW cuz they wanna show off the BMW Logo lol.
@@ajith700 Completely agreed. TVS RR310 can be desirable though.
What about the Ninja 400 ._.
@@hamakaze9812 not available here
@@ajith700 Ninja 400 is available in india but super expensive for india market
TVS basically perfected the engine, reduced the vibration and made the apache 310rr a better and more affordable bike than the BMW 310 twins.
And when the product was completely finished.. BMW just took it, put on some BMW stickers, Downgraded the tyres and removed the optional accessories and selling it for higher price.
Even being higher priced, The BMW will still sell a lot as most people here care more about brand than the value... Also don't forget the 3 times servicing cost the BMW is gonna charge for the same motorcycle.
The product is also mostly developed for other Asian markets than US & Europe as here most of the roads are filled with curves and lot of traffic and we find very less long straights here and because of that the maximum safe speeds possible are usually below 100kmph that's the the riding modes make sense here.
I've had my first bike, a 2018 G310R for about a year. Started with 5k miles and now have close to 12k miles. While it's not the fastest, it is light enough to enjoy through the twisties. Reliability has been great so for $3500 I'm pretty happy with it.
It's been reliable that's good to hear.
How have the maintenance costs been?
Coming from a country where small bikes and mid size bikes are well known. TVS Apache competes with Sport tour bike called Dominar 400 which has the same motor as the KTM Duke 390... in general everyone chooses the Dominar 400 due to its versatility to travel, speed, and comfort seating position. But if only talk about sport bikes... R3 is the choice just cause speed, reliability and maintenance. And if its sold in US or UK, I don't think it could be a possible competition unless people go for the looks, which I can't lie. It's a gorgeous one
You are right and I do have a dominar. 😂 LOL
Dominar 400 is a great bike. It is also more affordable than Apache in India. 40HP, 35 nm torque, 27 km/l mileage. Without a doubt, this is a great value for money bike.
The BMW might do better in European markets especially at places where small capacity motorcycles are a thing. Here in India people still prefer TVS because of the pricing and after sale service. BMW should've atleast changed the bike a little bit aesthetically and that's just my opinion. But people here in India are already hating the BMW because of no changes to the bike apart from a diffrent paint scheme and a higher price tag plus the shitty after sales service.
The day G310RR was launched, I got sooo much more respect and love for my TVS RR310.
@@dhruvjadoun i absolutely agree with what you feel... I mean if BMW would've slightly given this bike a 'facelift' with a different exhaust and wheels, the price could've been justified.. But unfortunately it's just TVS Apache with a different paint scheme
Why would BMW change anything except the paint and logos when that would give them max profits for the least cost
@@reee_4067 More sales = more profit. Selling the same thing for a higher price = fewer sales.
@@christopherbiomass7155 actually no, bmw will surely sell anyways with their branding and their target market is most likely not India anyways. it doesn't make sense for them to add production cost, why do you think they partnered with TVS instead if developing their own small displacement bije.
When I saw the teasers for BMW, I thought it was TVS manufacturing for BMW for sale outside India, but here we are.
And about that low powered rain mode on a 34 Bhp machine, it only makes sense when the roads are not very good, and that's what it is here in India.
Riding modes for a 34 bhp bike is nothing more than a gimmick. Even for indian roads if people can't drive this bike even in pouring rain they should learn how to drive first.
Given the options, my choice is easy. RC390.
If BMW improved the suspension or engine power of the G310RR, there would at least be consideration (but doing that would probably increase the price enough that it would still lose).
I live in Europe, bought a 310GS in january. I got a bit hyped when they announced the RR but I start to realize it’s got the same engine, brakes, suspension and gear box, yet it only has a different paint job.
Imho the RR is the definition and illustration of a ripoff in the dictionary
@@SirBalageG They literally just slapped their logo on a TVS. Score one for badge engineering!
34 and 44hp is really not that much of a difference in the real world, if you really want to be faster you should look into >500cc bikes.
I had a new Honda CB250RS in 1985. I managed to control the wild power slides from its 26hp without rider modes 🙄
congratulations, you are so special because you were able to not crash a bike without ABS, get yourself a cookie.
@@feuerreiteroderso8655 I rode a 125 without abs for 2 years with terrible tires, it's really not that hard.
My current cb500f also doesn't have any aids except abs, and with 48hp it's also really manageable.
You just have to be careful to not give it the beans when going over wet road noodles, that one time I was doing a rolling burnout at 100kmh lmao. Thankfully didn't crash that day lol.
But other than on wet autumn leaves my rear hasn't slid at all despite having mediocre (not really good tires because the rear abs always goes on if I break slightly harder) tires.
Would go for G310RR with M Sport paint, because it'll look better when parked on the side of my M2 Competition!
Why not buy a full fledged S1000RR? Rather than this shitbox indian bike
@@saswatapaladhi4608 because I would use the bucks saved in funding fuel and service cost for next 15 years for both of them!
@@ritzrocks98 with an m2 comp you're really not saving any money in fuel and service by getting the 310 over the 1000.
The 1000 will outperform your m2 (despite it being probably the best car you can get atm) and cost way less.
If some riders are willing to pay the asking price, then the company priced their bikes at the correct asking price. But if you are comparing, then I personally believed most european bikes are over priced.
I though european bikes are cheaper. It’s 7600++ euro here exclude taxes (after conversion). I brought yamaha R15 for 4394 euro. Sometimes I’m having thought to move oversea. Would never achieve my dream bike if i stays here unless i am corrupt government staff
@@talkless-domore whatever gave you the idea that european bikes are cheaper? European bike are not known for reliability, so why would they be cheaper?
Still waiting on the g xxx rr version of the f900r ... maybe the rs660 and r7 can breath a li bit life in the mid range sportsbike class ( maybe a road legal r9/mt09 or rc8/890duke will be presented too in the future) 🫠
that would be sick, the 900 has a 270° twin too right?
My brother owns the Apache. It's really fun to ride and it's coupled with Michelin tyres perfect. Most of our rides are on Himachal roads.
No petal discs are not just for show that wavy structure helps them disipate more heat while breaking than regular round discs. petal discs are more efficient in short apache has amazing. Breaks while bmw gets trash breaks
The issue with smaller power figures is, the roads, they're terrible. First,if one owns a track bike, they use it for almost every scenario.
Second, even if one wants to get on a track, it's not affordable for a lot of people and this this a classic 2nd world problem, if you will. So bikers end up on public roads to enjoy the speed.
If you're honest with yourself, anything above 48hp is actually half asleep on the streets.
My cb500f does 90kmh in 2nd, that's all I can go up to to be under 100kmh for backroads, highways are boring, and in the city you're never gonna rev through first gear. I'm mainly only revving to 4000rpm and using 1-4th gear. With two more gears and redline at 8000 or something I'm hardly using the engine at all.
I think you haven't seen indian city road conditions and i have the previous version of this bike without the power modes so i have to be very careful with clutch ....so yes i do think in city lower torque helps
been riding my cb500f in the city for 4 years now, 48hp, no tsr, no modes, and shitty dunlops. I've not had a problem with the bike yet.
Even today with rainy fall weather with wet leaves everywhere, you just need to know how to ride.
@@Daniel-dj7fh then maybe you are a better rider than me but this is what i felt and feel every day the clutch is overly sensitive and lil bit mistake leads to bike engine turning off
@@Daniel-dj7fh and mine bike is race tuned bike which heavily focuses on 0 to 100 where as i think cb 500 f is a street bike
@@ddevil9718 why is your race tuned bike focused on 0-100?
Yeah my bike is a street bike, so are the rc390, r3, etc, etc.
They're all not really race bikes.
@@ddevil9718 You could try adjusting your clutch, or maybe it's the tune which is messing things up.
Well the new BMW G310RR is a good looking machine. Especially in that BMW white with graphics.
Wish BMW could have changed at least the front styling to give the G 310 RR its own unique looks. Personal my choice will be the TVS because for less cash it gives the same good looks, Amazing built quality,same levels of performance, but with more extra features that the BMW Misses. The KTM is also a realy awesome machine,it looks sharp and modern. The design is on the functional side though rather than being aesthetics side.
it got more power and performance, its slightly practical thanks features larger 13.7 litter fuel tank, pillion grab bars for the rear seat. Compared Apache here in India it doesn't comes with adjustable front suspension like in UK or the Europen market's. Still its a good option to have.
Don't fall into the trap of judging a bike by its specs, they don't tell the whole story and many machines are much more than a sum of the parts, the Interceptor/Continental are perfect examples of this.
They're the only examples.......
More of an exception kind of situation really
@@WeaselKonig I wouldn't say that, on paper many Honda's don't look so great, but they are still really good bikes, and some bikes that look good on paper are almost unridable. Harley Davidson would be another example of a bike that doesn't stack up on paper but is highly desirable.
@@onecookieboy no those Hondas are pretty meh in person too. I was very disappointed in the Honda 500 twin engine. The only thing that saves the Royal Enfield 650’s is you expect them to feel lazy and relaxed.
@@WeaselKonig Feeling meh doesn't make them bad, they do most things well and are low maintenance and last, what more do you need?
Interestingly In India we have a Ninja 300 also available for additional 20000 Rupees premium which produces a way better 39.5horses and has excellent top speed of 178km+. Since TVS Apache already available BMW should have re tuned the engines and made it more powerful to compete with RC390 and N300. But as mentioned by you there is no change in this bike other than the BMW body cover and badging. 😊.
Ninja 300 is not available in india
@@rajendertkr are you sure it not available in india🤣🤣
@@rajendertkr wrong
Indian road is a rubbish.. its like buying 200hp bike n ride 40kmh😂
@@ipmarmar6173 everywhere on the world it's like this.
Being an Indian i can say you are spot on about the tvs and bmw facts and specs. What I don't understand is why BMW waited for so long to launch this bike.
It doesn't make much sense to buy the BMW as it's too expensive and doesn't have the premium factor over the RR310 in any way, except may be for the after sales service.
I own the TVS RR310 that too in an average city Gwalior. And I am happy with the services provided here. The bike is thoroughly diagnosed and serviced. No questions asked.
TVS service centers have exclusive service foremen for 310rr at their selective service centers. They have been trained by BMW and they know what they are doing, unlike the mechanics for the regular bikes. As such, it's better to go with TVS. Moreover, most people in 3rd world countries like India don't care about the branding but real world usability. 💡
PLUS, U CAN SPEND ON ADJUSTABLE SUSPENSIONS AND STILL SAVE MONEY
@@dhruvjadoun bro I'm also from Gwalior and wanted to purchase rr310 bto but I've talked to an rr310's owner and he wasn't happy with the aftersales service and watced many videos on TH-cam they were all the same ( bad quality service). That's why I'm being a little bit concious of should I buy a rr310 or not
@@Writerography listen to your heart. buy what you actually want to, but for me i am happy with the service and the bike itself. Javed, the service guy is good at his work, he has the knowledge.
If you have the option buy TVS, it’s cheaper both are made by TVS but TVS gets some parts in better quality and the service cost is 1/3rd of BMW even using the same spares and oil and everything you pay 3 times the labour charges 2 times for oil change and the oil is exactly the same made by same company. That’s all BMW TAX.
Brake feel is also better on TVS
I ride tvs rr310 and its been 4 years and the bike is amazing looks amazing and very practical for daily use
There is limited edition(200) of the TVS Apache version which has enhanced powered of 39 hp and 30 plus some torque.
I think you are talking about the race bike
I have BMW 310GS adventure bike. Compare that to my R3, the BMW is very very slow. The design looks awesome, but I doubt it if any better than 310GS, you won't exceed 100mph, and if head wind, you will struggle to keep up with traffic.
I think they will tweak the engine to make it a sport bike feel engine bro.. same as kawasaki z900rs engine which is also the same engine in the z900 with a difference of 20 or 30 ponies.. so yeah..there’s that possibility..
2:24 Yes It's necessary in our country India as we have a lot of traffic here and fuel prices are too high all over the world, so that urban mode is there for fuel economy.
Love this talking head split mate.
Wonder if the fairings are interchangeable between G310RR and TVS Apache 😄
Most likely
They just changed the logo .
This bike is soooo long coming! 310 been out for years already! TVS had already done the work back then too
Most riders won't realise that it's a rebranded TVS, and will buy it because it has BMW on it. No idea how much TVS servicing is in the UK. But, the last time I owned a BMW, it ended up being serviced by the local Honda dealer, as I couldn't believe how much BMW wanted for a service. The "but it's a fixed price all over Europe sir, so you'll know how much you'll be charged even when you are outside the UK", didn't really fill me full of joy. Especially after they charged me for the first service (which was supposed to be free at the time), because I didn't bring the bike back to the dealer I bought it from !
TVS servicing costs around 3k-7k rupees in India depending on the conditions of the bike while the naked g310r costs around 7k-25k depending on the conditions of the bike. So I would say that TVS servicing would be cheaper than the BMW. I am not sure tbh
BMW are a funny bunch 😀
6:14 what i feel..??
okay, here it is....
i wanted KTM to go with something like this BMW in case of headlight styling.... KTM kind of ruined it all with this new model....
for BMW/TVS, I wanted them to go with something like KTM's race steering setup instead of the current touring one, but they didn't.
If I buy any of these, I'll try to get these things changed for sure....
TVS offers the race settings in the optional Built to Order (BTO) variant. It has a race package, which raises footpegs to a racier position (similar to RC) and lowers the handlebars, to give a perfect rider triangle for races. Moreover, it offers a Dynamic package, which offers fully adjustable front suspension. 😄
34hp! That's a huge amount of power! Good that it has a power mode to limit it to 25hp!
*Sarcastic mode off*
What a useless thing! Its just for posers say "mine is better than yours, it has power modes"!
This thing just makes 0 sense when the R3 and RC390 exist. It would be cool to see a small track/race focused bike from BMW with some actual effort behind it, but this ain’t it chief
It does feel like the bare minimum, I agree
400cc is the minimum in Philippines to enter express way.
@5:45 uhm there is the Kawasaki ZX25r 51hp and up to 100hp Turbo kit by Trickstar. (Asian market)
I'd never want to pay a BMW tax. In the case here, I'd have the TVS.
Now the Triumph tax, yeah, I'd pay and have paid that !
I am a BMW owner and rider, that being said I would never buy this bike (or any 310 BMWs) even if I was back in India. BMWs are usually better in their premium segment, for this price range there are better bikes.
Most people at the moment at getting RE Scrams 411, better price not plastic and a lot of colour options as well
If you live in a crowded city and need to save money in gas(petrol) you do what you can to save some.. considering fuel prices have gone double in less than a year.,
I’m a bmw owner and fan buuuuttt….. I agree with you, Ktm for me
This BMW (just) looks like a sportbike
It needed to be a 400cc bike to challenge the Ninja 400 on the US market.
Honda CBR500 would be my preference if it counts as a sub 500 😂 R3 also ace if not. I think the KTM makes sense as a new purchase but wouldn’t want one out of warranty period 😂 the CF Moto 300 SR is probably a more direct competitor power wise and comes in at sub four grand with a 4 year warranty as well. Personally it’s a used Honda or R3 for me over a new one of these any day!
I own a 2014 RC, she's getting old now but if one maintains it well, it's really good and reliable machine !
why would you buy the CBR. it has less power, heavier and sluggish suspension. when you can get the ninja 400 for cheaper and a way better bike
Get a Honda cbr300 instead of cf moto
I noticed something with some BMW customers (not all mind you) when I sold them. For the status seeker customers if we think we could have put the BMW roundel on a stinking pile of dog 💩 they would paid a premium price for it. I never understood that status above value way of thinking but those customers seems to have more education than intelligence.
BMW knows their customer base and know the foolish among them will happily hand over a premium price for less than premium hardware.
It's not just the RC390 that's better. I'd say the Yamaha R3 is better too.
And so is the Ninja 400
Really liked the look of TVS when saw it years ago. Is it available in UK/Europe? Buy TVS and buy a BMW badge to stick on 😅
BMW is the Harley Davidson of Europe. You're paying for the name. So many bikes are better at half the cost.
I just wonder how BMW decided to stick to a single whilst Yamaha, and Kawasaki are doing twins.
If this was a twin 270° it would make it way more interesting than what it is atm.
You should do a test BMW 310RR vs Himalayan Scram ! Yes the bmw may be a bit quicker but in 20 years time the Scram will still be running!🤣🤣🤣
Why would I be riding a 400 cc bike for 20 years?
I ride a Ninja 650 and I've never needed any modes or traction control. I wonder why they have them as gimmicks, when they straight up add to costs.
Talking about riding modes and traction control/quick shifters in such small capacity bike is (including KTMs 390 series), in not so developed countries, people rarely buy motorcycles for tracks or racing! It is their everyday bike to buy groceries or to have fun weekend ride and with all due respect, not everyone can afford Lr class motorcycle and even if you do, you don’t have such good road to drive on. Moreover, there is no hard traffic rules that are being followed, hence just one mistake of yours/someone else and you are gone ! So such features provide best of both world in most affordable price one can imagine. 😊 ps - no intention to hurt anyone’s feeling. Just providing real world scene from a bike enthusiast! ✌🏻
Eye opener vid, thank you 😊
I have a KTM RC 390 (2021). The BMW looks cool, but am I willing to lose 10 horsepower? ... But, I have had an awful experience with KTM's after-sales service in my country, whereas BMW is characterized by being very customer-oriented... I think that if I change it, it will be to have a small sporty BMW and an adventure one over 600 cc (or café racer). I think this BMW will be particularly good for young people and for those who want to have a sport one to use from time to time
Lol, I can't get over the comedy of "rain mode" on a 34 bhp motorcycle... Ninja 400 anyone?
Its just the TVS Apache RR310 with BMW loho and decals 😂
There's also the kawi 300(India only i guess)/400 siblings
Y25 Yamaha Gixxer 250
They rebranded tvs apache 310 into a bmw🤣.
Fun fact all bmw 310 series bikes are made in tvs plant
Outside India, this bike can't really sell more than an R3 or a Ninja 400.
It is necessary to have these riding modes when you live in this densely populated country where you are really conscious about people and petrol.......
Yamaha R3/CBR250RR/NINJA 250/ZX25R would slay the BMW ups i mean that TVS.
6:03 Bajaj doesn't give the adjustable suspensions on Indian KTMs.
my TVS apache RTR 200 4v gets limited to 17.5 HP when in rain and urban mode, whereas the peak power is 20.8 HP!😅
KTM 390 makes 44 HP at 9000 rpm.
I ride a GSX and love power but my girls little Duke 390 has me wearing a shit eating grin. The 310 BMWs at work are wet socks in comparison. Comfortable sure, but it doesn't eclipse the rawness of the KTM with its nice tech, abs and piles of stability in a tight chassis. It was cheap as hell too. The RC would be a better option, for the cost especially.
Can the TVS Apache be purchased in the USA ?
BMW has 3 year unlimited mileage warranty, how does that compare to TVS ?
I'd go for neither!
Whoever made that promo video was having a whale of a time in After Effects.
To access your video I had to skip 3 freaking ads!
Its nothing a rebranded TVS Apache 310. They should have given a high lift cams and better exhaust for atleast 40hp
Ktm is better but we don't get adjustable shok in front
What kind of rhetoric question is that ?
OF COURSE IT'S OVERPRICED ! Look at the badge, it's says BMW, a.k.a BrokeMyWallet.
Built like a TATA Nano and priced like an M5. 😂
In India modes are important cause we don't have some humanless miles of dead roads here.
Ktm has well known engine issues. Heaps of videos in you tube itself. Yes definitely ktm looks better. But reliability is more important than looks for sure.
Want my damn 600s back.... who the fck needs a 300cc sports/race bike
Probably won't be sold in your region if you were able to buy a SS 600.
Sportiest sub 500 are the Honda Cbr250rr and the Kawasaki zx250r, limited here in Japan😊
Cbr250rr is also available in some southeast asian markets, similar to zx25r. Indonesia springs to mind.
Love the video, BMW looks greate!!!
In India 200cc bike also have riding modes
bajaj engine?
Insane how Honda got more than 41HP from a 250cc with their CBR250RR. These 300s are comical.
Difference in cylinder counts
It's LITERALLY a re-badged TVS Apache RR 310 with a 340 pounds increase in price.
I'm pretty sure my old Derbi GPR-125 had 34bhp and weighed a hell of a lot less than that, and that was about 20 years ago. It also looked stunning in its silver paint.
Presumably that was a two-stroke?
@@RyanJamesODonnell Oh yes 😁
@@gerardmontgomery280 that explains it then, never gonna beat the power per cc of a two stroke with a four stroke! 😅
I’d rather import a fully specked TVS Apache from India for less then 3k £. Then buy a BMW 3100rr in the UK.
New RC 390 >>>>
The Cagiva Mito Racing I owned when I was 16 had 37hp, no traction control, no ABS on Brembo front and rear brakes. Riding modes on a 30hp bike? Come on…
Greetings fellow 2T veteran, I've ridden the Cagiva Planet and owned a Derbi GRP. At the risk of showing my age, these kids today don't know what they're missing. I mean a 125 that could scare R6 riders on the twisties, we'll never see that again.
In India more then 10hp bikes r more dangerous because of our roads and public..
@@gerardmontgomery280 in India 150 cc sub 20hp bikes have abs because people are scared of broken roads and highway walking cows 😂
We gotta justify somehow the excessive MSRP on this entry level machine. (BMW saying among themselves, probably . . .).
In India it coat 20k more than tvs it's their logo money.. Lol
KTM 390 is sure better in almost every aspect, but the BMW name is something people wont ignore, sure its more expensive for literally no reason, but everyone knows BMWs lion s1k, and a baby version aint that bad, especially since it looks pretty cool also.
Bruh moment for BMW
If they price it around 2.4 lakhs it would make sense
Thats a lot of extra cash for little more than a BMW roundel.
CFmoto 450 SR with 50hp, brembo brakes, and much cheaper. Just had a look at it today and it's beautiful. and then there's the ninja 400, ZX25R. I don't think BMW's claim are anywhere near the truth lol.
Bmw=premium price hike your paying for a lifestyle brand imho
Hi I from India, on paper everything looks Same on these two bikes, but bmw one have more top speed due to bmw tuning
The poor Indian market have to put up with that weird numberplate thing stuck on the front of their bikes, ruining the looks. I’d hate that.
It's not a baby s1000rr
It's a complete copy of Apache 310r
its an tvs engine..in bmw suit
I would rather go for TVS In this case. TVS offers petal breaks and Micheline rode 5s for less money! And I may slap a BMW logo later on. Lol
just a livery & paint update on the Apache... 🤮🤮🤮 and a higher price.
Are you saying that Apache 3100rr is a bad bike?
Because i own 1 & it’s wonderful. And now, in bmw skin looks really good.
@@bellbottom3202 it is absolute shit motorcycle, better with an RC.
The Apache sucks. PERIOD.
@@saltytwat5090 RC fan boys can’t digest that other is also good too. Not the first time. RC is a good bike but apache is better. RC is faster than apache. But apache is well planted & gives better stability. Haven’t rode new version, but i believe it’s better than previous one for majority of new & old bikers.
@@bellbottom3202 I never said that the Apache is a bad bike.
RC390 over BMW any day
Wish it was a 600cc...or some middleweight.