High-Protein Diet: Healthy or Harmful? Answers From Dr. Joel Kahn | The Exam Room Podcast
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- Is a protein obsession doing more harm than help to your health? What researchers have discovered about high-protein diets reveals a startling truth that may have you rethink which nutrients to prioritize in your diet.
Dr. Joel Kahn looks at the evidence showing the potential consequences that may arise from protein obsession and what it could mean for your health.
On This Episode
- Protein and heart health
- Protein and cardiac arrhythmia
- Protein and bone health
- Protein and long life
- Who may need to eat more protein
- Complete proteins
- Can plant protein match meat’s effects
- Is too much plant protein unhealthy?
- Protein marketing and industry influence
- And more!
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I did veganuary (mostly whole food plant based but not obsessive) and my LDL dropped 89 points! Fasting blood sugar dropped 6 points. Triglycerides dropped 100 points down into the normal range. The results were so good I am now a vegan for life.
Me too!
I never knew much about vegans until I watched the documentary, "Forks Over Knives". While the credits were rolling, I was emptying my fridge of meat, seafood, cheese, milk, sodas, and eggs.
Weight loss was not my goal, but I lost 20lbs. in the first month. Over the next year, I lost another 105 pounds. That was 9 years ago; I still weigh in at 115lbs.
Prior to becoming a vegan, I caught at least 3 severe colds yearly. It's been 9 years, I still have NOT had a cold. Nor, did I get covid, although my husband and son did.
great message , Nice work
WFPB4LIFE
@smartbrianna2 love it! Im not trying to lose weight either, still getting used to the diet, and somehow - maybe because it's the north in the dead of winter-I'm definitely not gaining weight but I haven't lost weight. I cut back on fats- still occasionally use olive oil to fry stuff- but its a max of 1 tablespoon for a big pot of food containing multiple portions- I do eat a quarter of one of those small avacados every day. I have 30 pounds to lose (5'7" and 175). If it doesn't come off this summer, I am going to a nutritionist to see where I need to cut calories. It might be the meat substitutes. Or I may need to increase my veggies and cut back on the brown rice and the seed bread. I'll figure it out. I dont really care all that much as long as the numbers keep going in the right direction. Which they are!!! Also, I want to add something here. Vegans have a reputation of being mean and intolerant of others, and that's pure BS. I've never met a nicer, more helpful bunch of people. When you learn about how you can save the world and your own life at the same time of course you want to spread that message, but I have never seen ANYONE be rude about it, or judge people who are say, vegetarian or whatever. People in this community are vey nice and helpful and provide a lot of great fact based info and resources.
Awesome!@@smartbrianna2
I am lifting weights and am plant based. I was told I need to get 120grams of plant protein a day so I tried it. I felt terrible and had a lot of headaches and joint pain plus I felt like I was on the verge of an anxiety attack. Went back to my normal diet and feel great again.
No meat in a week. Just thought I’d try it after having a heart attack 2 months ago. So far I actually don’t miss meat at all! I have always lifted weights and did strong cardio. I’m 73 and a retired firefighter/paramedic. I’ll certainly give this plant based diet a try! Thanks!
That is great!!! You are taking care of your heart..♥️
I would highly recommend Rip Essylstein’s channel, I’m sure you have heard of him if you are here. Famous cardiologist Dr C Esselstyn’s son.. 🌱💚
I don't miss meat either. :) I hope you are feeling super well these days. Lord bless you. 🌺
Patrick Babounian, the strongest man in the world is vegan. Look him up. If curious, look up Paul McCartney, Tom Brady, James Cameron and so on. These are a few examples of highly performing people in different areas who are vegan.
The Animal Ag industry, Dairy, and Pharmaceutical businesses are extremely powerful. Peace for all of humanity begins on our dinner plate
Nice talk! A good example from Nimai Delgado. He is a professional bodybuilder, and as he says, he consumes half as much protein as recommended for bodybuilders.
Interesting, thanks. :)
Dr. Joel Kahn, The man who provides the scientific data. 🌱✅
Thanks for addressing this issue. So many are pushing carnivore diets, and looking pudgy.
Yes, I noticed that. There's a well-known doctor who touts the carnivore diet and his tummy is always sticking out. Otherwise, he looks to be in great shape for his age.
This is TRUE about Dr. Garth. Very handsome and humble and gentlemanly.
Just eat enough calories on a versatile whole food plant based diet and you'll be ok.
Tracking your food for some period of time is also a good idea.
Some people tend to overeat and some will undereat without knowing.
I hadn't realised how much muscles I had lost... noticed that I couldn't wash my feet without leaning on the shower wall or put my socks on without seating. Was starting to hold the banister rail. I'm not on HRT so could be reasonable to assume more muscles and bone loss due to my age/post menopause. However, I've improved my muscles greatly by going to the gym and doing pilates. Now can stand on one foot without feeling like falling. No chances to protein etc just increased the weight bearing. Walking although great just wasn't enough to keep me strong. Not sure if my bones have improved.
Awesome interview thank you both so much!
Thank you, Chuck and Dr. Kahn.
Thank you ! I needed this information.
Great info as usual.
Loved this episode. Thank you so much for addressing the harmful trend toward excessive animal protein intake which is taking people’s health and our planet in the wrong direction.
With so much obsession over protein I would have guessed the obsessed persons would have known multiple friends, relatives, co-workers, associates ... with protein deficiency. Surprise, surprise, none of these persons knows anyone who has suffered from protein deficiency except for an unusual case of anorexia here and there. Do these folks believe that any adult male who does not have the physique of Arnold Schwarzenegger in the movie Commando is protein deficient? Do they believe the only reason every male is not built like that is due to lack of protein? Hey, I'm merely speculating about the origin of this peculiar and seemingly unfounded commonly held fear of protein deficiency.
Great Video!
Left and right, mind blowing and good humor!
I love this podcast learned so much about protein
We recycle our amino acids in order to construct whichever proteins we need so do not have to worry about making sure we are combining rice and beans or soy every meal or every day. Eat lots of greens 🥦❤
Thankyou , I dont think people know how to eat , let alone now how to cook .
I just did a high protein diet . With good fats . Now i dont need it going to go to salads . Getting fiber into low carb but good carbs . Beans whole grain rice .etc .
Appreciate this doc , i am cutting out fats right now .why , i have enough .
Congrats Chuck Carroll for your great interviews !! Im one if your great fans !!
I m a vegan street outreach activist.
You have an interview with a vegan doctor who says as long as you eat enough calories you get enough protein. I can t find it anymore for whatever reason. May I ask you to send me the link or tell me the title of the video ?
Please have Dr Gabrielle Lyons and Dr Peter Atia as guests on your show.
Yes, they seem to be pushing meat. They need to be schooled, with all due respect.
That would be like shooting his self in the foot. Lol
Gteat info! Thank you!
Nuts, seeds, fruits veggies, eggs, beans, legumes,all types of grains, soy, etc.
Sometimes chicken, turkey , rarely fish.
I have stopped eating beef. I do not eat any pork products.
I make my own yogurt, and water kefir.
I would rarely chicken and turkey but fish is ok
How much protein an individual needs is a calculation based on certain factors so can vary
person to person.
Personally, I think our way of eating animal protein is skewed from when we ate the entire animal. That makes epidemiological studies give a different result now from what it would have given historically.
One thing that's wrong is that Methionine intake isn't balanced with Glycine,
We now know that it isn't protein intake which is bad for longevity, but Methionine intake!
And that that effect disappear with more glycine.
I.e., we simply get less glycine now than we used to, because we don't eat as much collagen as we used to!
I pretty much ignore research which doesn't take this into account. And make sure I get enough of collagen and glycine.
Too little protein, and especially collagen, gave me skin problem, which I cured with hydrolyzed collagen.
It's my guess that skin problem is a strong indication of bad things happening inside the body!
So people without skin problems are healthy no matter what they eat🧐🧐🧐💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
No doubt plants are healthier but how do we overcome the silly ignorance surrounding animal consumption?
you ARE WRONG! Meat is far healthier for you than a plant diet, that is a fact.
🤣😂🤣 Your dreaming son. Get back with the herd your lost@@Darkphoenix3450
I can’t see yesterday’s show, February 20th. It says “this video is private”. The title looked very interesting. I wasn’t available to see it live. Can you please reshare yesterday’s show? Thank you
Same. Wanted to watch it, but they made it private :/
@@biancat.1873 hopefully they will repost for us to watch
Great interview thank you both! Going to pass on the info about the upcoming reversing heart disease summit to my friends who have husbands with heart disease!
What about the increased need for protein for women as we age or develop osteoporosis?
too much protein actually leaches calcium from your bones, so it should not be a problem
@@Scor-ah So how much is the right amount of protein? I’m 65, active , strength training using Liftmor study as a guide, but have lumbar osteoporosis.
@@nataliejohnson508if your joints are ok, the best solution for spinal osteoporosis is impact exercises, not weight lifting (although that helps a little). So running, jogging, jumping rope, even fast walking are best. Just remember to include some warm up and cool down time to protect your joints and muscles. And these impact exercises are all good cardio exercises as well. Cardiovascular disease still kills more women than cancer. Men too.
@@nataliejohnson508 I'm wondering the right amount of protein as well...
Thank you so much! This was a fantastic discussion. I am WFPB and want to build muscle strength. Sadly, many physcians are unaware of the risks of saturated fats. I just heard of a diet funded by nut industry that was misleading. Soy is a complete protein. I am a little alkaline from all these vegetables.
Pssst, soy is a much bigger industry than nuts, because they feed it to cattle.
What does it mean to "be alkaline"? I mean I know that means your body chemistry is more to the base side, but does that really matter?
@@michelletulumello661 blood acidity is associated with hypertension
Staying physically active is by far the best way to preserve muscle, combined with daily intermittent fasting. 🙂💪
Intermittent fasting is just a fancy word for starvation. Intermittent fasting is terrible for preserving muscle.
I’ve never heard about protein until I went vegan 😅
But getting essential amnino acids from plants will not foods is difficult, but right?
Ive measured my urine and saliva first thing in the morning prior to ingesting anything and they were opposite on the scale. Dont remember the numbers or if either ws particularly high or low but i do remember they were not close to the same.
24:49 Taking CBD full spectrum oils or eating the greens leaf in meals ??? What are the benefits? Does it kill cancer cells, boost immune system? Fix erectile dysfunction? Reduce inflammation?
You forgot to mention osteoporosis. Chasing weight loss, and adding back dairy as I fought to make sense of all my food issues. Now I'm 100%, but suffer from osteoporosis.
Aha... 28:49
Weight resistance training will get your osteoporosis down a lot. Thin people actually have more problems with it than large people because they tend to be carrying that extra weight anyway try walking or walking faster and resistance training of courses the best you can do it in a quarter of the time of the other exercises.💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Keep in mind that there’s no evidence that consuming dairy prevents osteoporosis. And countries with the highest dairy consumption have the highest rates of hip fractures.
Dr. Longo recommends increasing protein 20% after age 65. Even recommends eggs which surprised me. I need to pull his book back out. I’m completing his Prolon 5 days fasts. Hoping to improve cellular function. I will start my 3rd round 1st of March.
Just finished my 2nd round of a very well thought out DIY FMD (Fasting Mimicking Diet). Worked like charm, ketosis day 4 and 5. There's good information in the FMD subreddit on how to DIY, even the Prolon patent including all the macros and micros. If you do FMD DIY make sure to substitute the l-drink included in the kit with glycerol (it's basically just that) to minimize muscle loss 😉✌️
I have Dr. Longo who is a biologist's book. He did say that about older people. His tests are based on worms, fruitflies and various blue zone and other outlier interviews. The sarcopinia or muscle loss may also be based on less exercise not on meat. You can eat more beans, nutritional yeast
etc. BTW intermittent fasting has a risk of gallstones in some people.
This was much more informative than I could have imagined put up in such a short video. Appreciate all the good info guys.
Hey 👋 I try to eat low carbs as much as I can and I do intermittent fasting 16/8. Really love low carb foods. Never felt so good in my life at 122.4 weight from 63 years old women 👍
I'm still a believer of eating both meat and vegetables interchangeably in each meal. Eat meat for brunch, and low oxalate veggies at night . So we're exposed to both the building and cleansing
What about taking VEGAN Amino Acids like Optimal Aminos or Perfect Aminos? They are vegan and so far very helpful to me (with my exercise program)
Went plant based got down to 97lbs was eating lots of diverse salads, almost died, digestive issues were so bad ended up in ER, decided to go the opposite direction and eat meat again, gained weight and am healthy now. Sorry plant based is not for me.
When you are doing a video, please give the abstract of the content first. Give the giveaway first.
Just got a client with Protein C deficiency. What is that all about???
One big question I have: I work in the health care industry and I see very sick people, people with cancer, with wounds that won't heal due to mostly Type 2 Diabetes, and they all tell me when I ask if their doctor discusses diet - "They tell me to get as much protein as I can... protein, protein, protein". Are they all wrong? I feel like they are getting the wrong message of diet most of the time.
They are! Doctors like people sick!! Then they need prescriptions and procedures, money money money:(
Fat increases insulin resistance. They need to be on a high fiber low fat diet with a normal amount of protien. Especially if they are overweight. I fixed my blood sugar issues by becoming whole food plant based. My fasting blood sugar went down 7 points in a month. I didn't even have to lose any weight for that. (I bet results would have been even better if I had.)
You know, there was times when doctors were promoting smoking as a way to calm down the nerver and control the appetite. Then there was the time when doctors were promoting painkillers (because they got the bonus based on sales). And many doctors smoke and eat junk food themselves.
I believe Valter Longo said excess plant protein is also associated with adverse health outcomes, although to a lesser extent than animal protein
He also said that it’s an isolate form is the worst. Especially if you’re going to take soy take it in the concentrate form or as close to natural as possible. That means no protein powders that are plant.💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
It’s really hard to get the necessary complex amino acids from plant protein
Not true. All plants contain all essential amino acids. Please look at the work of Christopher Gardner.
I added some vegan protein powder to my diet and noticed my arthritic knee pain acting up. I was responding to another video I saw on Simon Hill's the proof which had a protein expert on who said if you're trying to lose weight you need to have a bit higher protein than the RDA
there is nothing good with powder. It is too concentrated, shoots up IGF-1 and inflamation - so knee pain. If you are really worried about meeting protein goal, take it from whole plant foods. Even tofu can be pro-inflamatorry to some. Also you could check J. Fuhrman opinion on higher protein vs risk of faster ageing, cancer, etc.
Interesting show on not only protein but stem cells involving plants and C15 and C17 fatty acids. I am relieved to find that such fatty acids are not only found in dairy products but sunflower oil as well. Thank you for the show and information.☺
Thanks for that, was on my way to look it up. Since most humans over toddler's years can't process milk, if it's something we're supposed to have then it has to be found elsewhere 👍
These drs really crack me up. When the pharmaceutical reps come into their office interupting thr patients they dont throw them out. There are sll on the take my friend
Is Elsetein still Alive? I'd be interested in his food regimen. I need to loose 50 lbs.
Dr Caldwell B Esselstyn and yes he's very much alive. You can purchase his book called Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease. He also has an accompanying cookbook to his book. I am such a believer in Dr Esselstyn.
Even Tony Robbins was poisoned by bad fish?? I doubt he was eating cheap fish!
Surprised that kidney disease didn't get mentioned.
I’d rather hear about the possible ills of high protein consumption from an omnivore that doesn’t have a vegan bias.
He quoted peer reviewed studies about animal protein by Dr Valter Longo, who is an omnivore.
I'm vegan but no offense to what he said around 17:00 but the vegan bodybyilders he named are shredded but are relatively small compared to big body builders. What is unclear is what the body is doing with the excess of protein... convert in fat? I dont think science has an answer yet.
What happens to excess protein depends if you are in a calorie deficit or surplus. Excess protein is converted to glucose. If you're in a surplus, it would be converted to fat. If your not gaining weight, the glucose is used for energy.
Nimai Delgado is 5' 9", 170 lbs, 5% body fat. Max potential for a natural bodybuilder at his height is around 180 lbs. He's won several competitions and is pro. You'll have to provide the names to whom you are comparing him to. Mr. Olympians are all on steroids. It makes a big difference. He also competes in the Men's Natural Physique category, which focuses on a lean beach body physique.
surplus is peed out, and a detrimental load on the system.
and most people waste so much protein it must be addressed
@@jakubchrobry3701 He's not natural either.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320 Do you have proof that Nimai Delgado is not natural or are you simply jealous? He weighs about 20 lbs under what is considered the natural limit for his height (180 lbs is lean mass weight, nat limit). Interesting, one guy says he too small and another guy says he's too big. You guys sort it out.
@@jakubchrobry3701 First off I don't have a problem with steroids at all so no I'm not jealous. He's too muscular to not be on steroids because he's vegan that's my proof. How do you know that the top pro bodybuilder are on steroids do you have proof are you jealous?
No doubt Dr's Layman and Lyons would not agree.
I only eat meat most of the time but I do add extra fat.
Natto beans are not gross. They are delicious. I consider them the Époisses of the plant world.
Natto beans are the most disgusting thing ever and you know that.
@@granddaddyofthemall6320 I guess that the Japanese are a bunch of masochists then.
Nothing but good news when comes to fish from a long life
Except for the mercury and other heavy metals in fish. And the ever increasing amount of persistent organic pollutants (POP), including “forever chemicals” being found in fish. If you’re going to eat fish, eat low on the food chain, e.g.: sardines, anchovies, etc.
And remember that the primary (maybe only) benefit from fish is omega 3 fatty acids. But fish don’t make those, algae do. Fish get their omega 3s by eating plankton or smaller fish. And plankton get their omega 3s from algae. So you can skip all those middle steps that concentrate pollutants at each step and take an algae omega 3 supplement. Those are made from algae grown in purified water, no pollutants.
Humans are not dolphins.
Can you cite your sources, please.
@ElectricBoogaloo007 Perhaps, it would be wise to provide credible scientific evidence that primitive homo sapien primates such as ourselves belong to an aquatic mammal of Cetaceas.
@@ElectricBoogaloo007You need a source to know humans aren’t dolphins?
@ElectricBoogaloo007 Perhaps, it would be wise to provide credible scientific evidence showcasing primitive homo sapien primates belong to aquatic mammals of cetacea.
@@Sparkling-Cyanide 🤣🤣
So when was fiber made a essential element for humans?
Never.
when humans stopped eating real food
Fiber has been essential since we had bacteria in our gut. So ever since humans evolved.
@@broddr I've had zero fibre for 2 years now, no problems, except for 2 days ago. Had stomach pains and diarrhea from eating it.
@@tinahelpme So true
Well kinda need it if ur trying to build muscle and in the gym 4 or 5+ times a week. Good luck building muscle and retaining it on 50 grams a day .
Isn't it true that as we age we absorb LESS protein and therefore we need to eat MORE of it in order to get the normal amount we need?
Why don't you ask the above telling question to your guests?
In fact, do something better - interview doctors Don Layman and Stuart Phillips to get an objective opposing view?
He's a vegan.
Yeah junky protein and crap food will make you sick. Never will see a study on grass fed redmeat causing any sickness of any sort.
@@tdgdbs1 Nevertheless, he was hinting at the OTHER INGREDIENTS besides the identical amino acids in plant and animal foods.
@@tdgdbs1everyone should be vegan.
Second
No doubt more protein may be good when it means less sugar. Not everyone is meant to eat tropical fruits all year long.
Absolutely brilliant! You'd have to be a moron to deny SCIENCE and STUDIES.. I mean, just look at the wonderful health outcomes around the world!!
I'm sure with just a few more billion dollars a cancer breakthrough is around the corner, maybe a few trillion on second thought. I certainly trust big pharma and big GOV to have my best interests in mind 😂
It’s insane to eat protein and fat which is literally required by your body and but it’s ok to eat lots of carbs which are not needed in the human diet at all.
And you have teams in science?? Sorry just shows your already compromised
Good luck with the ligands and oxylates players
Lol I’m gonna assume it’s nothing but vague responses and subjective wording that won’t really answer the question.
Best type of diet for the planet and our health is a beef based diet
It takes 8 pounds of plant protein to make 1 pound of beef protein. So it’s clearly inefficient use of water and arable land. Animal agriculture accounts for 25% of all greenhouse gases. So clearly not good for the planet. And beef is a carcinogen and is loaded with saturated fat, so clearly not good for our health.
Fiber deficiency is the silliest thing I've ever heard fiber is not essential.
😂🤣😅🤣😂🤣😅🤣😂
Tell that to a diabetic - fiber is a key.
harmful
Biased and lopsided talk
i alway biased towards truth, and so should you.
I looked at this channel’s video catalogue. It’s a vegan propaganda channel. Take this content with a huge pile of salt. I’ll keep eating a balanced diet of healthy, whole foods that includes a lot of meat, dairy, and eggs.
You might want to check the science. Here’s a study of 237,036 men (57%) and 179,068 women.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7358979/
“Replacement of 3% energy from animal protein with plant protein was inversely associated with overall mortality (risk decreased 10% in both men and women) and cardiovascular disease mortality (11% lower risk in men and 12% lower risk in women). In particular, the lower overall mortality was attributable primarily to substitution of plant protein for egg protein (24% lower risk in men and 21% lower risk in women) and red meat protein (13% lower risk in men and 15% lower risk in women).”
@@broddr nice try, but I doubt if science is what can change the opinion of the person who calls science a "propaganda"...
What total mainstream garbage.
Plant monkies