Inside a Nord Stage 3 88!
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- UPDATE! Took it apart again, went through the same process, however this time used a tiny smidge of electrical cleaner on the contact board. Did the trick, and alls sorted!
Nord Stage 3 88 key with weird irrational velocities. In this video I attempt to cure, but only end up improving. I improved it a lot, and the one remaining note is much better than it was. Let me know what you think!
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Great video. Thousands of thanks. Succeeded in getting it al done in 2,5 hours. Used a knitting pin by the way rather than a paper clip. But great stuff. Saves me weeks of waiting for repair.
You're very welcome! Glad it helped you out!
Thanks for showing the inside! At 6:58 I saw exactly what I was looking for: one of the mounting profiles for the Nord Stand Ex brackets. I’ve ordered this stand for my NS3 Compact, which I know is not supported, but I’m planning to create and install some similar profiles. There’s plenty of room inside so it should work out. Cheers!
Glad I could help! The video was more for what it looked like inside as opposed to the success of the repair, which I did manage to make better with a second round at it!
Just fixed two keys on Electro 3 just as you described. Like your mate, I have gig on the weekend so here I come.
Nicely done! I probably should of noted that this fix may work for a range of other Nords.
Had the same exact problem on my Stage 2. I was told the voice controllers are in banks of 8 keys and there are 11 controllers. They faulty one had to be replaced.
Hey Frankie! Thanks for your comment. Good to know it wasn't a new issue, and also something I didn't miss!
Which torx size screwdriver to unscrew the nails, can’t believe this info isn’t anywhere online or the nord manual 😢
Can't remember exactly now, was a long time ago. Just whichever was the best fit!
I have a similar problem with the 3rd f# at my nord stage 3 88 its just a bit louder than the other notes… not that much like your start of the video.. imagine that many people not even notice that tiny a bit louder f# than the other notes.. but it is annoying my ears… and i am a hearing nerd…
What we must do to fix it??
Certainly not a hearing nerd - You're hearing something that is wrong with the keyboard! Only way to fix is to have apart and clean the contacts like I did. Unfortunately can have varying results.
@@groovemonkey73 it seems that i hear it much at the royal grand 3d compared to other sounds and the bigger problem is that my nord stage 3 88 bought before 4 months and never gone outside of the house.. and always with the dust cover on when not playing… so i can hardly believe its dust
awesome video, gave us a look under the hood
How did you remove the ring on monitor in jack? To get PCB board out
I'm sorry, I can't remember as it was a long time ago now. Didn't think I had to tbh.
Good¡¡
A question, I bought a Nord Electro in Spain, but now im in Mexico and I want to play here, do you know what I have to chance into The Nord to make it sound . thanks
Sorry, no - Is the power output in Mexico different to Spain? you may need a different or additional transformer?
I would have marked the offending key(s), so that when it is open, you can examine those keys the most.
While open, I would also blow-out all the jacks for dust-bunnies. Also, I would use contact cleaner on some cotton-tipped swabs, and wipe/clean the inside those 1/4 inch jacks.
Otherwise.... looks good !
Thanks for your comment. Weirdly enough when I opened it up the second time off camera, that is exactly what I did!
@@groovemonkey73 .....I just got a new Stage 3 compact.... and bought a dust cover, so I hopefully never have to do this !! Cheers.
@@FreqBand oooh nice - fingers crossed! Through friends with Nords & other people I've spoken to, I haven't heard as many issues like this with the compact models!
@@groovemonkey73 ..... I just repaired a Roland MC-505 groove box.... all new pots, and new rotary encoder. There was only two pots broken, but I replaced all of them (about 10 ??) and I did the rotary encoder..... because I could. And I know these stepped encoders go bad if used a lot. (future-proofing)
If you're in there, why not!
Nice video, there aren't any videos of Nord showing the actions of their keybeds like other brands do, now I see why, It's dissapointing to see that such a high priced keyboard has plastic action, for the same price you can get a Kawai MP11SE with wood keys and a grand piano action, or for less price than the NS3 you can a get a Yamaha CP88 also with wood keys.
Korg has the RH3 action all plastic, and the SV2 is a lot lower in the price range... I think I'll go for the SV2 73 keys. I guess with Nord the extra price is for their sound samples...
You're absolutely right. My next plan is to get the stage 3 with SW keys, and also a really good midi controller, so I have a lovely weighted instrument playing the Nord pianos, but still having the option of the SW keys for the quicker Ep stuff.
I tried this on my stage 2 and a spring came out of one my keys that I repaired. Any suggestions on putting the spring back in?
I've not experienced this ,myself with a Nord, but have with other digital pianos/keyboards. They're fiddly to get back in, and usually involves having to remove that particular key from the rail.
You forgot to show one step--there are 3 screws on the BOTTOM of the keyboard.--same size as the ones in back.Once those are removed,the top lifts up very easily as pictured in your video.Plus you need to disconnect the bands from the motherboard.
I probably should of showed every step in the video although I of course had to do those two steps!
@@groovemonkey73 Thanks for the reply. The tip of a jack broke off inside the keyboard. It was easy to retrieve and problem solved .
its more noticeable when you put it as the top or bottom of your scale too. so to get rid of that bias, put it in the middle.
I don't see what you mean - I was eliminating it from the whole keyboard?
@@groovemonkey73 i mean when you play the scales nearby the problem key... you are ending your scale on the problem key, or beginning it on the problem key. psychoacoustically, the beginning and end resonate with our perception so, it actually emphasises that problem even more than it actually is in reality. if you played a scale which includes the problem key, but does not begin or end on it, it might sound less exaggerated. just a thought
@@TheKeyToMusicOfficial Ahhhhhh I get what you mean now - Sorry, was being dim. I didn't think of that. I guess I was worried that it wouldn't be obvious on the video, so I guess I played it where it was most obvious. If I come across anymore like this, will certainly do both!
How did you get initial cover off? Noticed when I was attempting to do so there seemed to be resistance. Are there additional screws on the bottom that have to be taken out?
It's been a while since I did this, but yes there were additional screws. I can't remember if they were on the bottom or on the back!
Hey there, I saw upright piano in the video. So, my question is as a pianist how much do you feel realism in nord stage 3 hammer action? Is it too lighter than acoustic piano? Thank you!
Hey! Thanks for the comment! Well, interesting subject - I don't like Nord weighted hammer actions. I never have, to me, they don't feel 'right'. I think the Nord is of medium weight, but I'm also a piano tech, so I play and work on lots of different types of acoustic piano, so its difficult to compare weights, as it varys so much on different acoustic pianos. The Nords action is heavier than the upright piano in the video, but not as heavy as some other digital actions. One of the best digital actions I've come across is the Korg SV-1!
@@groovemonkey73 Nice! How do you compare a Sv1 (with rh3) to your upright and Nord 88 ?
I´m looking for a hammer action but not too heavy...
I played a uprgiht acoustic piano that felt amazing, very light touch...
Heavier than my upright, and slightly heavier than the Nord. However, the rh3 action doesn't feel too much in my opinion. It feels responsive, with a satisfying progression to it. Certainly doesn't feel 'cheap' like the Nord (in my opinion). I think that's why they used the Kawai action in the Nord Grand. Acoustic pianos can vary so much - I work as a tech for a local dealer, so I'm in contact with lots of different acoustic pianos, and can compare lots in quick succession, and it can be difficult to find the 'right' one for your own preferences!
This could help:
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To address the issue, you should first detach the Conductive Rubber located beneath the key and carefully clean the contact areas underneath. The rubber can be easily removed, cleaned, and then repositioned without significant risk.
Understanding the underlying mechanism is crucial. Each rubber piece houses two keys, with one key being slightly higher than the other. Pressing a key initially activates the higher key, followed shortly by the activation of the second key, depending on the speed of the press. The keyboard controller calculates the time difference between the activations of the two keys to determine the speed at which the key was pressed.
Over time, the contact points within the rubber can accumulate dirt, leading to only one key sending a signal. Consequently, the controller interprets this as the key being pressed at maximum speed, which is noticeable in the louder sound produced by a faulty key. Therefore, it is necessary to remove the rubber, clean the conductive areas inside it, and then reinstall it.
However, be careful to avoid touching, scraping, or applying any chemicals to the graphite conductors on the board (PCB) itself, as this could cause irreversible damage.
**Disclaimer:** This procedure is intended for informational purposes and should be performed at your own risk. If you lack technical expertise, it is advisable not to attempt this repair yourself.
Thank you for your info!
Oh my, every nord owner will have to encounter THIS overpriced problem. To hell the overpriced NORD LOL, to hell Roland with sluggish PHAs! Who's next LOL
I think it just depends. Some people I know have the weighted actions with no problems at all, some people I know have problems with the semi-weighted and waterfall actions!
@@groovemonkey73 depends on wish to play low or high priced lottery
@@groovemonkey73 So it means just a lottery of quality :)
you made me laugh with your method. why didn't you blow from one side to the other? anyway, thanks for the vid.
Ha - no idea really! Noted for the future!
@@groovemonkey73 i did like how you sped up and muted the noise/work and put some songs instead
@@TheKeyToMusicOfficial Thanks - No-one wants to see and hear lots of boring stuff do they?!
Many steps missing from this video.
Can you elaborate as to which steps are missed?
This shouldn't be necessary should it ?
You should expect quality from a world brand like Nord.
I thought they provided good material but its not, judging by the many problems its rubbish .
I whas seriously planning to buy a new stage 3 88 but after seeing the many quality problems on internet, I better look out for something else.
A shame because the sound of the Nord Stage is fantastic but tecnnically unreliable.
I agree, it shouldn't be necessary! Nord's waterfall action is brilliant (which I have on my stage 2 compact). Unfortunately their HP and fully weighted actions don't stand the test of time. They're great to start with, but aren't reliable. I think that's why they went with the Kawai action for the Nord Grand.
@@groovemonkey73I had an electro 2 and two electro 3's all waterfall, all suffered the same issue you describe. Well the problem is dust and the reason it wasn't fixed right away is because you did not clean the contact directly. The problem is under the rubber, you just have to remove the rubber from the offending keys then clean the contact with Isopropyl alcohol (the GOLD contact ONLY should be cleaned with isopropyl no other part). Under the rubber you will find a black contact that completes the circuit when pressed, this is adhesive paint and it shall not be cleaned with any solvent at all cause you will just remove it all in a single wipe. If you have no specialized cleaning solution dry cleaning would be the best choice for this part.
First time around I did just dry cleaning, but second time around (off-camera), I did use some light contact cleaner as you described. (Which did the trick)! Interesting to hear you had this issue multiple times with waterfall key beds.
@@groovemonkey73 I fix audio equipment as a day job. This problem is more than common on waterfall or weighted nord actions and has to do with the construction of the keyboard that lets particles enter. The reason why not everyone sees the problem is because it is very much enviromental.. It's a know problem to repairmen never the less.
i came to here just to sse nord how looks like inside and i was loved nord and i want one but I'm disappointed now you pay a lot of money for nothing there is no much component inside it looks cheap
There isn't much actual physical 'stuff' inside of them, but in my opinion their sound engines/technology/software/sampling capabilities, denote that they don't need tonnes of hardware. The biggest thing that let Nord down is their keybeds, especially in the weighted variety. They never really got it, hence why they use a Kawai keybed in the Nord Grand.
@@groovemonkey73 do you mean nord stage keypad doesn't feel good please i need the honest answer i want to purchase one we don't have stores here to go and try it
@@groovemonkey73 the best solution would be to use a MIDI keyboard with Nord VST(if it would exist) Then it wouldn't have to buy an overpriced toy
@@elmehdioubouhouch Forget about the nord! Buy a MIDI keyboard and use VST. You'll get high quality sounds, much better than Nord's
Use a pencil
For?
@@groovemonkey73 use it by scratching under the keys! It help the electricity to pass!
There are many youtube videos about it!
Take care bro!
@@danielwerner5881 Ahhhh! I'l check that out - I see what you mean! Cheers, you too!