Finally someone did the math. I tried so many shrapnel builds but couldnt quite get more dmg. Now i just changed a few things acording to your video and instantly did 5k dps more. I will grind the right mods now and will be insane :D
I stumbled into this build myself accidentally last night, i like it. I'm running the magazine size calibration to synergize with the magazine damage/fire rate mod. 57 bullets now
@@DavidWoodMusic Eh, I was still using eruptor even after the frag removal because it still suited my blitz playstyle. (since then switched to crossbow cause it's better at it thanks to the demolition changes)
I've played a pretty similar shrapnel build in both the beta and full release and the one aspect I'm never happy with is choice of my secondary weapon. Prefer having a sniper or crossbow for headshotting random mobs and the fateful strike armor mod make them worthless since a lot of their damage is tied to weakspot. Tried swapping the mod off and on depending on content but I'm lazy plus don't remember most of the time.
This is pretty much what ive been working with as well. I noticed the insane burst damage it could do a few days ago. Im a bit behind on testing, due my server just got phase 2 yesterday. So only level 40 yet. But it seems good, and you pretty much build the same as me here. So I guess its valid in the end
I'm playing Shrapnel too. You suggest the Fire Helmet over the Beret? The Fire Helmet limits your Shrapnel to only target 1 part but raises damage to that part by 120%, while the Beret gives your Shrapnels an extra target.
@@phoenix9945 cage helemt does not give +1 hit, it gives +1 trigger. theres a difference. Any mods that increase based on shrapnel triggers will get +1 to the trigger count. Explosive shrapnel would take 10 hits to trigger instead of 20.
From what I'm seeing here is crit rate is better then weak spot as crit has no restrictions and you can crit on everything. While Weakspot does. Yes if your weapon has weakspot related damage you more then likely don't want the fateful strike mod, but building crit rate is going to get you better damage overall. This is even more so in pvp as if anyone is using the headguard mod your damage will be greatly reduce.
No one notice that his head choice anti-synergy with the entire build? That mask lock u on max1 sharpnel . Means that your Scar cant trigger more sharpenl,obliterate boost just one , and mask mod trigger so late. Try normal berret will be way Better
i have no idea what are you guys talking about, berret is nowhere near as good, i tried both helmets, with 2 different weapons 20% dmg with crit dmg and mag size with crit rate in all ocassions berret was nowhere near close gas helmet dmg Berret is pretty good if you dont have gas-tight helmet but not even close to the dmg comparisson, dont you think it would be stupid if it was as good? XD maybe for other builds berret is same as gas helmet, but for this one for sure its not
I think it would be cool to see a Bounce build that uses the effect "if no other enemies within range, damage increased by xx%" so one weapon can be used for groups AND bosses
You can improve this by using the Recurve Crossbow to get Bull's Eye +8% vulnerability and +30% crit rate for 10 seconds, which also then enables Targeted Strike for an additional +10% Rate/+25% damage, and using Deadshot on your legs for up to +36% crit damage based on how often you crit, scaling both higher and faster than bullet siphon So with a few tweaks, and foregoing Explosive Shrapnel, you get +40% Crit Rate +62% Crit Damage +8% Vulnerability Then you can also use the Bull's Eye cradle buffs for +25% Damage after kill +35% Weak Spot Damage after kill (not useful w/current weak spot blocking mod) +20% Weak Spot Damage flat For an additional +25% Damage flat +55% Weak Spot damage At the cost of needing to swap for a single shot every 15 seconds. I'm fairly sure that would all add up to higher DPS than you're currently getting, even with weak spot damage being additive, not multiplicative
@@uglyfoox8964 I mentioned everything required; Recurve Crossbow Targeted Strike mod Deadshot mod and then run all of the Bull's Eye cradle bonuses to add a little more scaling About the only boss in the game that I wouldn't out-DPS the build demoed in the video on is the Shadow Hound, and that's only because it doesn't have a proper weak spot to hit. I'm currently hitting 35k test dummy DPS and I've still got a LOT more work to do. OP's take on weak spot scaling being "nonsense" is honestly kinda clueless, just because two damage types aren't multiplicative does not mean you should forego combining them if the sum of the two is still greater than you could get with only one But if you want consistent, low skill DPS that doesn't require hitting weak spots and works on any boss regardless of if they have a weak spot, just follow OP's build.
@@uglyfoox8964 Use full Falcon set, or 3pc if you don't care for the extra stamina, plus Beret, last 1-2 pieces are whatever you want Once you get enough for legendary armour, use the set that grants more crit damage
You dont get the blueprint fragments separately, any fragments found for the falcon set can be used on any piece of its armour, so you either need to explore more and loot more of the orange crates around the map, or get them from rolling the Wish machine
great build to be fair bruh, you invested allot of work out there, i my self made my own to, i use the AWS sniper Bulls eye and i have 255% weak spot damage i can kill bosses with 8 shots as my crits goes up like 18k damage but it takes allot of skill invested into *headshots8 and weak spot hits to get the job done!
Loving the build altho id like to ask what would you recommend as a 2nd weapon other then 2 of the same, ive seen many builds use a crossbow with a perk that allows more crit but wondering what you would say
The bow is amazing, just put the mod on the bow that also applies vulnerability. I'm not using the extra perk for crit rate because some bosses have weird weakpoints and you're not always having the mark activated. However it's not a bad option, but personally I just like the bow with the vulnerability weapon mod attached to it.
Meyers market has beets galore planted and along the river edge, also just north of Brookham along the water more beets scattered along the waters area.
EX-1 Silo HM is the best place. You can get a run down to about 3 minutes as you can skip most mobs in the place besides the first room to get the card.
lets say you have 150% crit damage on your build and only 50% weapon damage it would be mathed like this (1 + 1.5) * (1 + .5) = 3.75, meaning you have a 3.75 damage multiplier on your bullets. So now lets say you have an option between 20% weapon damage, or 20% crit damage. We have 2 formulas: (1 + 1.5 + .2) * (1 + .5) = 4.05 - this is 20% crit (1 + 1.5) * (1 + .5 + .2) = 4.25 - this is 20% wep dmg In this example the weapon damage gave us an extra .2 on the multiplier. So how much crit damage do we need to equalize this and choose even more crit, isntead of the 20% wep damage? We can take 4.25 / 1.5, which is the damage multiplier from the weapon damage, divided by our base wep dmg. This gives us 2.83. So our original crit multiplier was 2.5. We need .33 crit damage to equal a .2 wep damage with our current values. (1 + 1.5 + .33) * (1 + .5) = ~4.25 So this is literally a random example I made up. In general, if you are choosing between very similar values. Then add it to the one that you have less of. If you are choosing between 20% wep damage bullet siphon on pants, vs 45% crit from deadshot on pants, choose deadshot. It's more than double, and is likely to give you more in the end. That's a more realistic example.
Nice guide :) i almost use the same but falcon armor is not that strong like befor thats why i use lonewolf 4 piece for crit and more crit dmg and also i switch scout 2 set for 1 piece of bastile what gives you aswell a 10% weapon dmg boost any you can have a 4 set :D i will try the mods you use i think they way better what i use right now :D greetings from germany my friend
@@thiccfila haha i feel that just to try some stuff i create 2 new chas on other server loool :D but yeah i hope we get more chrom in the next phase tomorrow XD i realy wanna try that helm you have i use still the baret :D i also tryt power surge but with that mp7 that hits so hard almost double the dmg from shrapnel :D
Hello, thanks for this guide, i will definitely be switching over to this one! I was wondering how the cradle effect "deadly combo" works with the fateful strike helmet mod? Since you are unable to do weakspot damage. Would the shrapnel still be able to his weakspot? Also, what would you reckon about the 2 piece lone wolf set?
@@thiccfila That's fair. Yeah i can only afford 2 right now.. maybe by the end of the season xD. How did you get some of these golden mods? I checked the online lists and they're mostly gated behind hard mode dungeons :(
@@thiccfila Hey thiccfila, I have enough starchrom for the lone wolf set. you mentioned 3 pieces, but what do we replace? the 2 falcon or the scout? with scout we lose 8% weapon dmg but with falcon we lose the 5% crit rate and 20% crit damage
Thanks for the guide, it was really helpful for improving the build, if I may I have two questions to ask. You use the Gas Tight Helmet which I've been told limits your Shrapnel to only hitting 1 part, therefore would the 'Shrapnel hitting more parts' mod not rather wasted? I feel you could look to drop a lot of crit chance and instead use the Shrapnel procs increase crit chance up to 30% or even the Shrapnel hits return one ammo to the mag mod to make it pretty much never have to reload, would the singular 15% boost be worth it over those? As for the deviants, did you happen to do any testing on if Shadow Hounds 27% Weapon Damage is better over something like Mr. Wish who applies the Bulls Eye Vulnerability (I dont want to have to use Recurve bow and if I did have to use a Bulls Eye weapon I'd consider myself looking into the idea of Doombringer since it offers Recurve bows 30% and more bonuses) I'm looking to run pretty much the same setup with 3 Lone Wolf and 2 Bastille for the 10% Weapon Damage + 20% Reload speed to offset the Heavy Style calibration reload penalty, as for the Helmet currently using Beret until theres clarification on if Gas Mask is a straight upgrade to beret or has the limiting factor of only 1 Part triggering.
@@n0ttsweet_ Yeah im not 100% on Bastille but it has at least two really good options in the form of reload speed (which becomes painfully slow when you get the Heavy Calibration) and also Weapon Damage which considering as described in the video we already have a load of crit Weapon would be better, most alternative gear sets you only seem to get one useful perk out of them at best if doing 2pc. But still testing waters with things so who knows
@@Endeavourment I switched beret to gas-tight helmet just because of this vod and its literally the same dmg on manikin, but all mobs started die quickly than with beret, same for elites and bosses. so idk about that one, but for me gas helmet feels better. and yes, gas helmet limiting sharpnel to 1 part. but somehow this deals more dmg
You can gamba it, but you can also buy them straight up in the machine. That's one things I don't like - you are so restricted due to the wish machine currency. Trying out different stuff is hard because most builds rely on gold weapons and they are in the machine.
@@Paelmoon Ye man it was one of the things I kept asking for in all of the surveys in the betas. I wanted those plans to be farmable from the great ones :(
I mean for prime wars you need the gatling turret and the special bullets to crack the shield. otherwise just need multiple people DPS ing the boss while his shields broke. I think if you wanted to kill the prime war boss you'd need tungsten AP smart rounds
I would never drop my Weakspot-Damage just for a little Bonus in Crit-Damage. PS: Base-Damage + Weakspot-Damage + Boss-Damage then multiplied by Crit-Damage is way more potent in terms of DPS, than to skip on Weakspot-Damage entirely. EDIT: I already have 80% Crit-Chance, plus 231% Crit-Damage "BUFFED" (including 64% Weakspot-Damage), which could also be 90% Crit-Chance, plus 261% Crit-Damage (when i switch that Helmet Mod... but then i have totally zero Weakspot-Damage). The latter is simply weaker in terms of DPS. EDIT: Multiply 64% by x 3,31 and compare it to 0% x 3,61...
How is showing on the test dummy when multiple skills don't proc on it really showing much. I think effortlessly killing bosses and mobs and the content of the game is actually what's good. I also said the build wasn't quite optimized as it was my week 1. I'm doing a more in depth breakdown of shrapnel mods and gear soon. I'll show more on test dummy
Oddly enough, there's a Shrapnel Perk that gives you a decent buff if your Shrapnel procs with a crit on the weakpoint. Transitioning from chest shots to weakpoint shots at this time increases your dps significantly for the duration of the buff.
I use the lonewolf too. Have you witnessed the dmg it does with its multiplying in the fog mini games? Incredibly helpful late game when waves come from different angles.
Hello nice video i choose this weapon and i take 4 lone wolf one Bastille parts et the berret.. for next u choose gaz mask ou the other legendary. I focused on critical damage too
Buy something if its something you really need, otherwise gamble for blueprint fragments to be able to upgrade your blueprints for gear you actually want to use
Why are you not using a helm like the beret ? I've heard people say the fire fighter helmet you are using isn't good because it allows you to proc only 1 shrepnel but at 120% damage. You can reach 50% shrepnel damage (if I'm correct) with 3 procs which is 150% damage. I'm not very good at math or understanding of the game but I would like your opinion on this beret, cage helmet and yours
beret gives an extra proc, or 100% more shrapnel damage (effectively) . Gas mask gives 120% damage. The math isnt hard. But there are LESS shrapnel procs so there are some thigns it doesnt synergize as well with.
Personally i believe by the time you get to explosive they are most likely dead but it could be that the next person gets one shot? Worth trying it in action
I dont quite understand this, i might be missing something because you seem to do in depth testing, but 2 things: 1. Why would you use the gas mask? Doesnt that negate the +1 shrapnel hit on crit? And if you replaced that with beret, would add an addtional +1 at all times? If youre looking for that "20th hit" shrapnel burst, wouldnt that benefit from occurring 3x as often? And if youre using the mod that increases shrapnel damage based on number of shrapnels that hit together isnt this helmet a damage loss? 2. How would these calculations change if you dropped the "+crit, no weakspot" and took the shrapnel core mod that makes 100% of shrapnels hit weakspot automatically? Couple that with the beret instead of gas mask and youll be landing those shrapnel burst headshots all the time, no?
Beret increases the number of shrapnel 'hits' by 1 (100%) but that is off a single bullet 'trigger'. Gas mask is just making that single shrapnel hit deal 120% inc damage. So technically its 20% better. For instance Shrapnel Smash mod says "triggering shrapnel grants shrapnel crit". It doesnt say shrapnel hits. So beret doesnt make it gain crit chance any faster.
@@tykobray4132 unless I'm mistaken, beret adds +1 shrapnel to each hit, so you fire 4 bullets and get 1 proc, that proc gives 2 hits of shrapnel. The SOCR causes crits to proc an additional shrapnel, so that 1 bullet causes THREE separate shrapnel hits... If you wear the gas mask you can never proc more than 1 shrapnel hit, it just hits harder... So if you're just SWAPPING between gas mask and beret, you could easily argue that 2 shrapnel vs 1 HEAVY shrapnel could be worse, but with the +1 proc from crits on your SOCR it seems like that would be completely negated by the gas mask while the beret has no such limitation
@@jameshansen1148 you are correct in regards to the SOCR because that weapon ALSO adds a +1 shrapnel hit (the wording is fucked). Now we are getting into combinations of gear. This is where the G17 (Shrapnel pistol) or KAM (blue AK) +gas mask+shrapnel carnage/explosive shrapnel works better than a beret set up as they also add more base damage to scale higher with the mask and explosive shrapnel for example. The pistol allows the user to stack weakspot damage too. I still dont rate explosive shrapnel though. 300%/20 shots = 15% crit damage average. Targeted strike is 10% crit and 25% crit damage. its obviously a limited duration but targeted strike is more dps but is less lazy and has a 5 second downtime between applying the buff again. So with that in mind it probably averages the same overall between those 2 mods.
@@thiccfila thanks. working on calibrating my gold scar all the way up. im in blackfell right now going thru the crates. how did you get all the crates to mark on your map?
Question about deadly combo override. It procs after hitting a weakspot. Does that mean you just need to hit the head even tho you cant get weakspot damage due to the mod? edit: nvm you mentioned it 15 seconds later 😂
@@yurdo Cage is a huge DPS loss, it doesn’t add any damage just +1 to your trigger count which doesn’t really do much for the SOCR, it’s Beret or Gas Tight but there’s still debate about if Gas Tight is better
I tested the cage and its 100% dps loss to beret. My question is should i buy the other helmet i dont want to waste 8k. Is it even better than beret?@@Endeavourment
The accessories don't affect the damage. I tend to go for as much stability as I can. I'm using the purple scope over the legendary ones for that reason. I'd say it's preference
Can you show which boss drops which mods? I see a list of mods and which place it drops, but doesn't mention if its a side boss or the main boss of the instance.
i have all same mods except one (missing one blue 2% crit mod) all the same gear, all the same cradle, running the same deviant basically a near perfect match to this build of yours and yet i have 27% crit and you have 41%... where are you getting all that extra crit % from?? heck my weap crit rate is 9% when yours is 6%. ive looked over your build again and again and can not see where you are getting the extra crit %, never mind how my crit damage is only 113% with same setup
@@thiccfila indeed i figured that out last night as i checked my stats and had a 17% crit rate when in fact i knew it was much higher, bugs for the win LOL
Shrapnel and Unstable Bomber are the Kings in PvE right now, that saying, if you are a player that only wants the best of the best and be full MIN-MAX in your build, you don't want to quit your weak spot attacks, Mr Thicc is kinda losing damage right now with his build but in exchange, is making this build more easy and cheap to play and be effective in PvE... but, if you want play the best of the best of Shrapnel Critical Build, then you're going to win more damage if you mix this build with the bulls eye (recommended with purple crossbow, and golden sniper), because with both your output damage becomes bigger, but are more expensive also you need to switch weapons all time to keep stacking bulls eye (Sniper) or buff yourself (Crossbow) and for that you need hit weakspots, but the logic behind the build is good, in terms on stats you're going to focus on weapon damage and crit... not even in the mix, you want to have weakspot damage, since you only use weakspot to trigger The Bulls eye and win critical chance, critical damage and weapon damage trough Bulls Eye Stacks. One thing he doesn't say is that if you are a PvP player, don't use Shrapnel in PvP, is one of the worst in PvP right now... instead focus on something more useful and powerful for PvP like Power Surge, Fast Gunner, fortress warfare... the thing is that all builds (except from fortress warfare) are totally viable in PvE, you don't go to have issues in any PvE content except if you use fortress warfare because is the "tank" of the game but don't work well against certain mechanics in end game bosses and prime war... so, if you play in PvP server and do a lot of PvP content, you should focus on build that works for both PvE and PvP, and Shrapnel is not a good choice sadly... King in PvE - Useless in PvP.
@@uglyfoox8964 I kinda don't know now which one is the best for everything... is more like I say, there are ones like unstable bomber and shrapnel are the most powerful in full PvE but are not that good in PvP, but there are others like fortress warfare that are extremely powerful in PvP but are not that good in PvE... If you ask me in my experience, in general the most common one I see for players that want to focus both in PvE and PvP but maximize only 1 build, is Power Surge, that say, is the most common, but I don't know if is the best... is just know that is the most common used.
violent, precision and talents means that mod has a specific sub mod on them. Violent will always have crit damage. precision will always have weakspot and talents is element damage
So weakspot and crit add together, weapon damage is separate If you have 75% combined weakspot and crit And you have 50% weapon damage Take the weapon damage. In this example it's very close, but basically whatever bonuses you have more of, pick the other one when you can
I farmed them from the silo with the blue torso mod reward. Mainly because the legendary mods don't give damage. I didn't have another good shoe or glove mod or whichever I had it equipped to so I put the extra one I had the f e
13:25 The Lonewolf's Whisper doesn't grant you more weapon dmg. It increases the weapon dmg YOU receive by the attacked target. So you will take more damage when attacked.
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Finally someone did the math. I tried so many shrapnel builds but couldnt quite get more dmg. Now i just changed a few things acording to your video and instantly did 5k dps more. I will grind the right mods now and will be insane :D
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I would hope so, its normal run not hard or pro, would like to see this version and how it preforms in that mode
I stumbled into this build myself accidentally last night, i like it. I'm running the magazine size calibration to synergize with the magazine damage/fire rate mod. 57 bullets now
He made his own eruptor
I thought AH fixed Eruptor when first seeing the thumbnail of the stream. :P
@@sinteleon listen I gotta get my shrapnel fix somewhere, in this game its stronk >:)
I straight up quit HD2 over the Eruptor changes.
Some people call me petty.
It's principle.
@@DavidWoodMusic Eh, I was still using eruptor even after the frag removal because it still suited my blitz playstyle. (since then switched to crossbow cause it's better at it thanks to the demolition changes)
I've played a pretty similar shrapnel build in both the beta and full release and the one aspect I'm never happy with is choice of my secondary weapon. Prefer having a sniper or crossbow for headshotting random mobs and the fateful strike armor mod make them worthless since a lot of their damage is tied to weakspot. Tried swapping the mod off and on depending on content but I'm lazy plus don't remember most of the time.
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@@JoshingXdang i didnt even know.. thanks!
This is pretty much what ive been working with as well. I noticed the insane burst damage it could do a few days ago. Im a bit behind on testing, due my server just got phase 2 yesterday. So only level 40 yet. But it seems good, and you pretty much build the same as me here. So I guess its valid in the end
I'm playing Shrapnel too. You suggest the Fire Helmet over the Beret? The Fire Helmet limits your Shrapnel to only target 1 part but raises damage to that part by 120%, while the Beret gives your Shrapnels an extra target.
the fire helmet did a lil bit more dmg overall BUT the beret is a lot more easier to get a hold of so there's that.
@@archimoo4069 what about cage helmet? that gives shrapnel +1 hit
@@phoenix9945 cage helemt does not give +1 hit, it gives +1 trigger. theres a difference. Any mods that increase based on shrapnel triggers will get +1 to the trigger count. Explosive shrapnel would take 10 hits to trigger instead of 20.
@@tykobray4132 So youre saying cage helmet is better if you run explosive shrapnel?
@@FLaSHFReeeZ havent tested it but its the only mod that synergizes with that helmet. how to maximize that i dont know
From what I'm seeing here is crit rate is better then weak spot as crit has no restrictions and you can crit on everything. While Weakspot does. Yes if your weapon has weakspot related damage you more then likely don't want the fateful strike mod, but building crit rate is going to get you better damage overall. This is even more so in pvp as if anyone is using the headguard mod your damage will be greatly reduce.
No one notice that his head choice anti-synergy with the entire build? That mask lock u on max1 sharpnel . Means that your Scar cant trigger more sharpenl,obliterate boost just one , and mask mod trigger so late. Try normal berret will be way Better
My thought exactly
Is that what that means? i've been misreading it this entire time, as you get 1 extra shrapnel... well shit.
it's not....
After I equiped the head the damage of my build increased a lot. I didn`t measured but the enemies are dying at least 10% to 25% faster.
i have no idea what are you guys talking about, berret is nowhere near as good, i tried both helmets, with 2 different weapons 20% dmg with crit dmg and mag size with crit rate in all ocassions berret was nowhere near close gas helmet dmg
Berret is pretty good if you dont have gas-tight helmet but not even close to the dmg comparisson, dont you think it would be stupid if it was as good? XD
maybe for other builds berret is same as gas helmet, but for this one for sure its not
I think it would be cool to see a Bounce build that uses the effect "if no other enemies within range, damage increased by xx%" so one weapon can be used for groups AND bosses
You can improve this by using the Recurve Crossbow to get Bull's Eye +8% vulnerability and +30% crit rate for 10 seconds, which also then enables Targeted Strike for an additional +10% Rate/+25% damage, and using Deadshot on your legs for up to +36% crit damage based on how often you crit, scaling both higher and faster than bullet siphon
So with a few tweaks, and foregoing Explosive Shrapnel, you get
+40% Crit Rate
+62% Crit Damage
+8% Vulnerability
Then you can also use the Bull's Eye cradle buffs for
+25% Damage after kill
+35% Weak Spot Damage after kill (not useful w/current weak spot blocking mod)
+20% Weak Spot Damage flat
For an additional
+25% Damage flat
+55% Weak Spot damage
At the cost of needing to swap for a single shot every 15 seconds.
I'm fairly sure that would all add up to higher DPS than you're currently getting, even with weak spot damage being additive, not multiplicative
Yah the bow is great, just get rid of the rest of that weakpoint nonsense. Explosive shrapnel is ridiculous for bossing
What’s the gears for it?
@@uglyfoox8964 I mentioned everything required;
Recurve Crossbow
Targeted Strike mod
Deadshot mod
and then run all of the Bull's Eye cradle bonuses to add a little more scaling
About the only boss in the game that I wouldn't out-DPS the build demoed in the video on is the Shadow Hound, and that's only because it doesn't have a proper weak spot to hit. I'm currently hitting 35k test dummy DPS and I've still got a LOT more work to do. OP's take on weak spot scaling being "nonsense" is honestly kinda clueless, just because two damage types aren't multiplicative does not mean you should forego combining them if the sum of the two is still greater than you could get with only one
But if you want consistent, low skill DPS that doesn't require hitting weak spots and works on any boss regardless of if they have a weak spot, just follow OP's build.
@@Prodigy1329 what about the armors?
@@uglyfoox8964 Use full Falcon set, or 3pc if you don't care for the extra stamina, plus Beret, last 1-2 pieces are whatever you want
Once you get enough for legendary armour, use the set that grants more crit damage
Passionnant, je reste à l'affût des mise à jours du build !
renegade is also a good set to use at least 2 pieces of.
and if you want crit always make sure you are using the violent version of mods.
do you not have a testing dummy at home so we can see your raw dps?
For your accessory’s you should use the bipod, it gives you more stability and accuracy vs the for-grips
Awesome guide, thanks! I have a question, where can i drop Falcon mask/top/gloves blueprints? I'm missing them sadly.
You dont get the blueprint fragments separately, any fragments found for the falcon set can be used on any piece of its armour, so you either need to explore more and loot more of the orange crates around the map, or get them from rolling the Wish machine
@@thimbletoe Thanks a lot :)
Will you be making a power surge build video soon? I freaking loved your build explanation in this vid!
What is your DPS without activating deviant, molotov, food, etc.?
Just shooting a test dummy in the chest?
great build to be fair bruh, you invested allot of work out there, i my self made my own to, i use the AWS sniper Bulls eye and i have 255% weak spot damage i can kill bosses with 8 shots as my crits goes up like 18k damage but it takes allot of skill invested into *headshots8 and weak spot hits to get the job done!
Loving the build altho id like to ask what would you recommend as a 2nd weapon other then 2 of the same, ive seen many builds use a crossbow with a perk that allows more crit but wondering what you would say
The bow is amazing, just put the mod on the bow that also applies vulnerability. I'm not using the extra perk for crit rate because some bosses have weird weakpoints and you're not always having the mark activated. However it's not a bad option, but personally I just like the bow with the vulnerability weapon mod attached to it.
Meyers market has beets galore planted and along the river edge, also just north of Brookham along the water more beets scattered along the waters area.
no one gonna talk about the digistruct peak music in the background. i miss the bl2 prime days
Where is a good spot to farm the explosive shrapnel mask mod?
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EX-1 Silo HM is the best place. You can get a run down to about 3 minutes as you can skip most mobs in the place besides the first room to get the card.
@@vReinev you dont have to get the card theres a door you can blow up to skip fighting the elite. its on the right hand side when you walk in
Do you believe that a non weakspot critonly build would work on a sniper build or fast gunner one?
Dude, you should be using Obsidian instead of regular Notepad. You'll be able to organize and track your data SO MUCH EASIER.
+1 for obsidian, can also use obsidian git to backup notes and sync them through multiple computers
I'm gonna be honest I just use note pad to record then I make Google docs once it's complete lol.
Where do I get the Scout bp's? Says mystical crates in Deyton Wetlands, but I have already gotten them all?
at what point would it be better to stack weapon damage over crit dmg ?
lets say you have 150% crit damage on your build and only 50% weapon damage
it would be mathed like this (1 + 1.5) * (1 + .5) = 3.75, meaning you have a 3.75 damage multiplier on your bullets.
So now lets say you have an option between 20% weapon damage, or 20% crit damage. We have 2 formulas:
(1 + 1.5 + .2) * (1 + .5) = 4.05 - this is 20% crit
(1 + 1.5) * (1 + .5 + .2) = 4.25 - this is 20% wep dmg
In this example the weapon damage gave us an extra .2 on the multiplier. So how much crit damage do we need to equalize this and choose even more crit, isntead of the 20% wep damage?
We can take 4.25 / 1.5, which is the damage multiplier from the weapon damage, divided by our base wep dmg. This gives us 2.83. So our original crit multiplier was 2.5. We need .33 crit damage to equal a .2 wep damage with our current values.
(1 + 1.5 + .33) * (1 + .5) = ~4.25
So this is literally a random example I made up. In general, if you are choosing between very similar values. Then add it to the one that you have less of. If you are choosing between 20% wep damage bullet siphon on pants, vs 45% crit from deadshot on pants, choose deadshot. It's more than double, and is likely to give you more in the end. That's a more realistic example.
@@thiccfila thank you so much this helped alot
Nice guide :) i almost use the same but falcon armor is not that strong like befor thats why i use lonewolf 4 piece for crit and more crit dmg and also i switch scout 2 set for 1 piece of bastile what gives you aswell a 10% weapon dmg boost any you can have a 4 set :D i will try the mods you use i think they way better what i use right now :D greetings from germany my friend
Yess, the lonewolf set looks so good. I spent my starchrom on the socr and helmet, I'm all out xD
@@thiccfila haha i feel that just to try some stuff i create 2 new chas on other server loool :D but yeah i hope we get more chrom in the next phase tomorrow XD i realy wanna try that helm you have i use still the baret :D i also tryt power surge but with that mp7 that hits so hard almost double the dmg from shrapnel :D
@@Schakanak power surge mp7 hits 2x more then socr shrapnel??
deadshot or bullet siphon which is better?
What is considered "a bunch" though ?
Hello, thanks for this guide, i will definitely be switching over to this one! I was wondering how the cradle effect "deadly combo" works with the fateful strike helmet mod? Since you are unable to do weakspot damage. Would the shrapnel still be able to his weakspot?
Also, what would you reckon about the 2 piece lone wolf set?
I mean you definitely want the 3rd piece, but it costs starchrom lol so get what you can
@@thiccfila That's fair. Yeah i can only afford 2 right now.. maybe by the end of the season xD. How did you get some of these golden mods? I checked the online lists and they're mostly gated behind hard mode dungeons :(
Well that list is wrong then lol, just hover dungeons or boss and see what type of gold item they drop
@@thiccfila Hey thiccfila, I have enough starchrom for the lone wolf set. you mentioned 3 pieces, but what do we replace? the 2 falcon or the scout? with scout we lose 8% weapon dmg but with falcon we lose the 5% crit rate and 20% crit damage
Thanks for the guide, it was really helpful for improving the build, if I may I have two questions to ask.
You use the Gas Tight Helmet which I've been told limits your Shrapnel to only hitting 1 part, therefore would the 'Shrapnel hitting more parts' mod not rather wasted? I feel you could look to drop a lot of crit chance and instead use the Shrapnel procs increase crit chance up to 30% or even the Shrapnel hits return one ammo to the mag mod to make it pretty much never have to reload, would the singular 15% boost be worth it over those?
As for the deviants, did you happen to do any testing on if Shadow Hounds 27% Weapon Damage is better over something like Mr. Wish who applies the Bulls Eye Vulnerability (I dont want to have to use Recurve bow and if I did have to use a Bulls Eye weapon I'd consider myself looking into the idea of Doombringer since it offers Recurve bows 30% and more bonuses)
I'm looking to run pretty much the same setup with 3 Lone Wolf and 2 Bastille for the 10% Weapon Damage + 20% Reload speed to offset the Heavy Style calibration reload penalty, as for the Helmet currently using Beret until theres clarification on if Gas Mask is a straight upgrade to beret or has the limiting factor of only 1 Part triggering.
I agree!! 3 Lone Wolf and Beret! Not sure if I like Bastille for the last slots, I'm still considering others.
@@n0ttsweet_ Yeah im not 100% on Bastille but it has at least two really good options in the form of reload speed (which becomes painfully slow when you get the Heavy Calibration) and also Weapon Damage which considering as described in the video we already have a load of crit Weapon would be better, most alternative gear sets you only seem to get one useful perk out of them at best if doing 2pc. But still testing waters with things so who knows
@@Endeavourment I switched beret to gas-tight helmet just because of this vod and its literally the same dmg on manikin, but all mobs started die quickly than with beret, same for elites and bosses. so idk about that one, but for me gas helmet feels better. and yes, gas helmet limiting sharpnel to 1 part. but somehow this deals more dmg
@@karagami00 You should really do a comparison video. 🙏🙏 Would be great to see the diff between the two on mannequin and boss
From what I understand, Doombringer does not offer the same 30% to all weapons like the crossbow. It’s only to Doombringer itself.
Hey man, regarding your yellow gear, can you farm that from bosses or is it all from the gamba machine?
You can gamba it, but you can also buy them straight up in the machine. That's one things I don't like - you are so restricted due to the wish machine currency. Trying out different stuff is hard because most builds rely on gold weapons and they are in the machine.
@@Paelmoon Ye man it was one of the things I kept asking for in all of the surveys in the betas. I wanted those plans to be farmable from the great ones :(
Do you think this build would be better in prime wars than prime war focussed mods and weapons?
I mean for prime wars you need the gatling turret and the special bullets to crack the shield. otherwise just need multiple people DPS ing the boss while his shields broke. I think if you wanted to kill the prime war boss you'd need tungsten AP smart rounds
Smells like The Division 1 and 2's damage system. One of the first things I noticed is the 4 piece gear bonuses being quite similar
hows the performance in pro though?
How did you get the gold obliterate weapon mod? Was it random from one of the weapon/gear crates in higher levels?
shadow hound drops its on hard mode or pro
Running the same build, but dont have that helmet... how to get it? Also, i strongly reccomend a Deadshot mod in pants.
Its on the Wish Machine
I would never drop my Weakspot-Damage just for a little Bonus in Crit-Damage. PS: Base-Damage + Weakspot-Damage + Boss-Damage then multiplied by Crit-Damage is way more potent in terms of DPS, than to skip on Weakspot-Damage entirely. EDIT: I already have 80% Crit-Chance, plus 231% Crit-Damage "BUFFED" (including 64% Weakspot-Damage), which could also be 90% Crit-Chance, plus 261% Crit-Damage (when i switch that Helmet Mod... but then i have totally zero Weakspot-Damage). The latter is simply weaker in terms of DPS. EDIT: Multiply 64% by x 3,31 and compare it to 0% x 3,61...
what attachments are you using on the SOCR
Max stability and the mag that give more bullets
need to see some damage on the test dummy so we can get a better idea of what your damage output really is...
How is showing on the test dummy when multiple skills don't proc on it really showing much. I think effortlessly killing bosses and mobs and the content of the game is actually what's good. I also said the build wasn't quite optimized as it was my week 1. I'm doing a more in depth breakdown of shrapnel mods and gear soon. I'll show more on test dummy
Any idea where the fateful strike mod drops? I've been farming almost all of silos for hours and i still don't got it.
Silo Tetha and Phi
So this hound drops all the weapon mods? Even legendaries? I want to make your build but I miss a lot of weapon mods T.T
He drops legendary shrapnel and bounce
for shrapnel is it elemental or status bonus effects we want? no clue which it counts under
neither
You should check the helmet vs Beret, the Gas-tight helmet isnt +1 Shrapnel like Beret is.
Oddly enough, there's a Shrapnel Perk that gives you a decent buff if your Shrapnel procs with a crit on the weakpoint. Transitioning from chest shots to weakpoint shots at this time increases your dps significantly for the duration of the buff.
I'll be on the lookout for all kinds of mods!
So with this non weakspot build do we still aim for the head or the damage is higher on bodyshot
Doesn't matter
If you had to get the gun or the helmet (because starchrom is limited), which would you opt for in this build?
Gun
I use the lonewolf too. Have you witnessed the dmg it does with its multiplying in the fog mini games? Incredibly helpful late game when waves come from different angles.
I don't have lone wolf, but I recommended it because it seems ideal
My bad I thought you meant the armor set. Yah he's pretty good for mobbing cuz the clones :)
Hello nice video i choose this weapon and i take 4 lone wolf one Bastille parts et the berret.. for next u choose gaz mask ou the other legendary. I focused on critical damage too
whats the dps on the dummy full buffed?
thank you keemstar
can you give as more info abt where to get the mods that u list in this video?
like that fateful strike
Silos drop mods when you use a controller on them
fateful strike comes from silo alpha.
Im somehow stuck with my Fire Build at 15k and not sure about the Blaze Gloves, Im using the Burn Gloves instead. Cheers.
Please consider doing a KVD BoomBoom burn build next.
Do you recommend buying the gear or gamble for it in the machine
Buy something if its something you really need, otherwise gamble for blueprint fragments to be able to upgrade your blueprints for gear you actually want to use
@@thimbletoe that makes sense thanks man
Why are you not using a helm like the beret ? I've heard people say the fire fighter helmet you are using isn't good because it allows you to proc only 1 shrepnel but at 120% damage. You can reach 50% shrepnel damage (if I'm correct) with 3 procs which is 150% damage. I'm not very good at math or understanding of the game but I would like your opinion on this beret, cage helmet and yours
beret gives an extra proc, or 100% more shrapnel damage (effectively)
. Gas mask gives 120% damage. The math isnt hard. But there are LESS shrapnel procs so there are some thigns it doesnt synergize as well with.
Explosive Shrapnel or Shrapnel Carnage for PvP?
Personally i believe by the time you get to explosive they are most likely dead but it could be that the next person gets one shot? Worth trying it in action
I dont quite understand this, i might be missing something because you seem to do in depth testing, but 2 things:
1. Why would you use the gas mask? Doesnt that negate the +1 shrapnel hit on crit? And if you replaced that with beret, would add an addtional +1 at all times?
If youre looking for that "20th hit" shrapnel burst, wouldnt that benefit from occurring 3x as often?
And if youre using the mod that increases shrapnel damage based on number of shrapnels that hit together isnt this helmet a damage loss?
2. How would these calculations change if you dropped the "+crit, no weakspot" and took the shrapnel core mod that makes 100% of shrapnels hit weakspot automatically?
Couple that with the beret instead of gas mask and youll be landing those shrapnel burst headshots all the time, no?
I believe i saw someone explain why gas mask is better dps than beret but honestly im not sure
Beret increases the number of shrapnel 'hits' by 1 (100%) but that is off a single bullet 'trigger'. Gas mask is just making that single shrapnel hit deal 120% inc damage. So technically its 20% better. For instance Shrapnel Smash mod says "triggering shrapnel grants shrapnel crit". It doesnt say shrapnel hits. So beret doesnt make it gain crit chance any faster.
@@tykobray4132 unless I'm mistaken, beret adds +1 shrapnel to each hit, so you fire 4 bullets and get 1 proc, that proc gives 2 hits of shrapnel. The SOCR causes crits to proc an additional shrapnel, so that 1 bullet causes THREE separate shrapnel hits...
If you wear the gas mask you can never proc more than 1 shrapnel hit, it just hits harder...
So if you're just SWAPPING between gas mask and beret, you could easily argue that 2 shrapnel vs 1 HEAVY shrapnel could be worse, but with the +1 proc from crits on your SOCR it seems like that would be completely negated by the gas mask while the beret has no such limitation
@@jameshansen1148 you are correct in regards to the SOCR because that weapon ALSO adds a +1 shrapnel hit (the wording is fucked). Now we are getting into combinations of gear. This is where the G17 (Shrapnel pistol) or KAM (blue AK) +gas mask+shrapnel carnage/explosive shrapnel works better than a beret set up as they also add more base damage to scale higher with the mask and explosive shrapnel for example. The pistol allows the user to stack weakspot damage too. I still dont rate explosive shrapnel though. 300%/20 shots = 15% crit damage average. Targeted strike is 10% crit and 25% crit damage. its obviously a limited duration but targeted strike is more dps but is less lazy and has a 5 second downtime between applying the buff again. So with that in mind it probably averages the same overall between those 2 mods.
@@tykobray4132 how do you like the div smg? (I think that's the shrapnel one?)
Would the cage helmet better or worse cause I have that helmet.
Have you tried Shrapnel Smash?
Do I calibrate the weapon all the way to 10 with the default calibrations and then replace the calibration blueprint after that?
You can do it in any order, but youre not benefitting from those calibrations until its leveled up
@@thiccfila thanks. working on calibrating my gold scar all the way up. im in blackfell right now going thru the crates. how did you get all the crates to mark on your map?
I don't know specifically crates, but you can input personal pings on the map and you can just type gear or weapon crate or whatever it is
@@thiccfila thanks
Question about deadly combo override.
It procs after hitting a weakspot. Does that mean you just need to hit the head even tho you cant get weakspot damage due to the mod?
edit: nvm you mentioned it 15 seconds later 😂
I think them calling it shrapnal damage is confusing i spend upto lv 35 thinking shrapnal damage had to do with grenades and other explosives
Bro shrapnel really shreds huh. How about fast gunner? Can u make a guide for it next as there’s seems to be no proper guide for it that i can find.
Attachments?
where did you get the bullet siphon mod? I've been grinding silo psi for a long while and still haven't gotten it
I just randomly found it in the one with pants mods. I've spent a ton of controller's on different silos and still haven't found some of the drops
@@thiccfila damn I spent 30 controllers and still haven’t gotten it
Where do you get Crit Amplifier mod?
Silo SIGMA hard mode it will drop more but can be done in normal
What game is this!? When did it come out? I haven’t even heard or seen anything about it yet. Is it any good?
What if I told you it's a free to play mmo lite with the most user friendly monetization
Where is a good place to farm the crit dmg enhancer mods? I can't seem to get them to drop for me and stuck sitting at 80 crit dmg
Silo Alpha
4 Lone wolf + 1 bastille would be more ideal ? And gas tight mask performs better than beret or cage ?
beret is just a place holder u til u get gas or cage
@@yurdo Cage is a huge DPS loss, it doesn’t add any damage just +1 to your trigger count which doesn’t really do much for the SOCR, it’s Beret or Gas Tight but there’s still debate about if Gas Tight is better
@@Endeavourment tbf the translation is wonky, i have both gas and cage fully calibrated and been testing. there is a difference but on a small scale
I tested the cage and its 100% dps loss to beret. My question is should i buy the other helmet i dont want to waste 8k. Is it even better than beret?@@Endeavourment
It is worth to get socr: the last valor golden blueprint ? Or îs better the Krank golden blueprint ?
What does the krank do? Couldn't find a pic of it on google
How to get Gas-Tight Helmet? I don't see it as a buyable BP in the Wish Machine? Not listed as a jackpot item either?
For some reason it's under Key Gear blueprints, then weapon blueprints option in there lol Hope this helps.
Good guide
I see you didn't say anything about weapon accessories. 70+ stability and accuracy is it ok or should it go higher?
The accessories don't affect the damage. I tend to go for as much stability as I can. I'm using the purple scope over the legendary ones for that reason. I'd say it's preference
@@thiccfila if you miss = no dmg :)
if weapon damage is so good why dont you take the extra 16% weapon damage from slow and steady on boots?
Because I don't own everything
Can you show which boss drops which mods? I see a list of mods and which place it drops, but doesn't mention if its a side boss or the main boss of the instance.
if you use a controller then the mods for that dungeon can drop
I kinda wanna do the little jaws vs this gun I feel like everyone runs this
I can’t even kill the small deviants fast and I’m level 50 smh. I don’t know what I’m doing wrong lol
what about 4x falcon + 2x lone wolf could that be good?
Beret is mandatory. Endgame is x3 Lone, x2 bastille.
@@PejorativeDaedal thanx bro.. a bit late i bought two different pieces but still :D thumbs up for info.
Why dont u play with the gas mask which gives u +35% crit rate for 3 second if u electrofy the target
because i dont electrify the target
i have all same mods except one (missing one blue 2% crit mod) all the same gear, all the same cradle, running the same deviant basically a near perfect match to this build of yours and yet i have 27% crit and you have 41%... where are you getting all that extra crit % from?? heck my weap crit rate is 9% when yours is 6%. ive looked over your build again and again and can not see where you are getting the extra crit %, never mind how my crit damage is only 113% with same setup
The details are often wrong and you have to open and close it a bunch
@@thiccfila indeed i figured that out last night as i checked my stats and had a 17% crit rate when in fact i knew it was much higher, bugs for the win LOL
@@TheFoundBelieverwhen you have your weapon out it adds that to your stats, when you holster you see your gear stats
Shrapnel and Unstable Bomber are the Kings in PvE right now, that saying, if you are a player that only wants the best of the best and be full MIN-MAX in your build, you don't want to quit your weak spot attacks, Mr Thicc is kinda losing damage right now with his build but in exchange, is making this build more easy and cheap to play and be effective in PvE... but, if you want play the best of the best of Shrapnel Critical Build, then you're going to win more damage if you mix this build with the bulls eye (recommended with purple crossbow, and golden sniper), because with both your output damage becomes bigger, but are more expensive also you need to switch weapons all time to keep stacking bulls eye (Sniper) or buff yourself (Crossbow) and for that you need hit weakspots, but the logic behind the build is good, in terms on stats you're going to focus on weapon damage and crit... not even in the mix, you want to have weakspot damage, since you only use weakspot to trigger The Bulls eye and win critical chance, critical damage and weapon damage trough Bulls Eye Stacks.
One thing he doesn't say is that if you are a PvP player, don't use Shrapnel in PvP, is one of the worst in PvP right now... instead focus on something more useful and powerful for PvP like Power Surge, Fast Gunner, fortress warfare... the thing is that all builds (except from fortress warfare) are totally viable in PvE, you don't go to have issues in any PvE content except if you use fortress warfare because is the "tank" of the game but don't work well against certain mechanics in end game bosses and prime war... so, if you play in PvP server and do a lot of PvP content, you should focus on build that works for both PvE and PvP, and Shrapnel is not a good choice sadly... King in PvE - Useless in PvP.
So which is the best overall for pvp and pve?
You can trigger crossbows effect with this setup
@@uglyfoox8964 I kinda don't know now which one is the best for everything... is more like I say, there are ones like unstable bomber and shrapnel are the most powerful in full PvE but are not that good in PvP, but there are others like fortress warfare that are extremely powerful in PvP but are not that good in PvE...
If you ask me in my experience, in general the most common one I see for players that want to focus both in PvE and PvP but maximize only 1 build, is Power Surge, that say, is the most common, but I don't know if is the best... is just know that is the most common used.
stopped reading this at "loosing"
@@xebokx Not my main language, japanese, spanish or korean are the ones i speak/write better, im learning english right now.
Any updates about this build?
What does violent mean after the name of the mod? Some don't have that name and I can't figure out what it means.
violent, precision and talents means that mod has a specific sub mod on them. Violent will always have crit damage. precision will always have weakspot and talents is element damage
where does the falcon mask drop?
What % is too much weakpoint damage and vica versa? So I know when to take the other
So weakspot and crit add together, weapon damage is separate
If you have 75% combined weakspot and crit
And you have 50% weapon damage
Take the weapon damage. In this example it's very close, but basically whatever bonuses you have more of, pick the other one when you can
lvl 40 shadow hound :> but thanks for sharing your build
This guy will not teach us the build instead will give us the formula to build our own OP weapon!
where does explosive shrapnel mod drop from?
Silo EX1 hard mode is best
where do the blue crit mods for all pieces (shoes/chest) drop? i can't find them anywhere lol
I farmed them from the silo with the blue torso mod reward. Mainly because the legendary mods don't give damage. I didn't have another good shoe or glove mod or whichever I had it equipped to so I put the extra one I had the f e
@@thiccfila what silo???
great guide but can you guide me on how to farm the certain weapon mods?
Look up once human nalcott its an intractable map of the game
@@thiccfilathats useless afaik the map doesnt show any info about mods
Just unlocked that assault rifle an hour ago. Was wondering if shrapnel was any good lol.
Very good :)
isnt the complete lonewolf set better ?
yes like I said my build isn't done, I was just laying down the framework
very nice build
Tf he is Datto of Once Human
Dude my Explosive Shrapnel legendary mods just disappeared from my Inventory
dummy dps per mag?
13:25 The Lonewolf's Whisper doesn't grant you more weapon dmg.
It increases the weapon dmg YOU receive by the attacked target.
So you will take more damage when attacked.
It gives you more weapon damage, the game has bad translations sometimes
@@thiccfila Oh okay, thank you for answering :)
That plus the aggro attracting...sounds really strong.
Thanks for the great video!