I know it's probably asking too much but I'd love to see the original M1 lineup (M1/Pro/Max/Ultra) in these graphs, just to see how much the advancement has been for us early adopters (M1 Max owner here)
I am wishing the same thing. I got a 16" M1 Pro at a super discount when the M2's showed. It's still more computer than I need but I love the screen and speakers and coming from an Intel I7 "campfire starter" MacBook. It is blazing fast and runs cool.
@ehtasam2080 That is a hot take. The iPad Pro has always had one of the best displays for a tablet. 600nits is not alot when the iPad goes well over a thousand. Also when you are streaming, lower response times dont really make a difference. If anything the anti reflective coating is ALSO available on the new iPad even though it dumbs the picture quality by alot (this is why Macs didnt have antireflective coatings in the past). Though Samsung probably makes iPad displays, Apples integration of hardware and software is miles better. Its Apples greed to lock down the iPad to prevent the Mac sales from being hurt.
I have always been an impatient web surfer. Along with a base M1 Mini, I currently have both an 9th gen iPad and M1 iPad Air 5. The speed and response difference is night and day....to the point that the 9th gen rarely gets used anymore. I am hoping that the upcoming base M4 Mini will offer an even greater (clearly visible) performance boost relative to the OG Mini. No question that Apple Silicon has been a game changer for the entire industry.
Yes, the main issue of apple is RAM, and i don`t know the why but they do this intentionally, the ipad pro has 12gb of ram but apple limits it to 8gb using software, so you pay 12gb and receive only 8gb cause apple want this. and a similar issue with iphone, 8gb in a high end iphone is a shame, we have smartphones with 16gb or until 24gb in the android side, but apple just brings 8gb in 2024, the limited RAM made all other iphones not have access to apple intelligence due low RAM despide the good processor, anyway A18 has the same issue as the M3 had in macbooks too, he is limited by RAM, we have a lot of videos showing us that just double the RAM to 16gb double the performance, it means that the only limitation in the chip is RAM, RAM is so cheap so it make no sense...
Yeah, as a developer RAM is pretty important for my workflow. My work M1 Pro has 32GB and honestly is the first time I've stopped caring about our refresh cycle. Sure I'll happily accept a shiny new computer, but it probably won't impact my workflow/productivity much. However, the cost of RAM does make it difficult for me to justify a decent home "geek" system. It's somewhat sad that my RAM needs (databases and K8s/docker) are still best served by a 6,1 trashcan.
This isn’t really a product problem, it’s a price problem. The machines are too expensive for the amount of RAM there is. As for getting a MacBook with more RAM, the solution is pretty simple: don’t buy the base model. That’s what I’ve had to do, and, although it’s begrudgingly, I think most people can do that. We should all be happy about a price decrease. I’m just saying that, that’s somethings so benign to me that I can’t really get excited about a new product for that reason.
@@abubakrakram6208 Right. It's just that the price differential is so great that a 10-year-old architecture still provides (for my use-case) better value. But Apple is as free to make this business choice as we are to complain about it!
@@scratchanitch you must be doing your dev work in MacOS though, right? I couldn't imagine needing 16GB of ram on an iPad... What would one possibly be working on that's so resource intensive?
For the GPUs, when we look at the A series chips in iPhones the A18 Pro which is derived from M4 does strangely have double the raytracing performance of the previous A17 Pro which is based on M3. In pure rasterisation performance it is about 20% faster. So I do think something is new. That doubling in raytracing performance should provide great improvements for workloads such as blender
Buying a new laptop every 3-5 years. Dang, I still use my 2014 Macbook Pro. It's honestly time to get a new one, but I think I can hold off for a new generation.
So basically the regular M4 is going to perform equally to my M2 Max Machine. Uhm interesting. Still I don’t even push my machine to the limit so that’s completely insane.
You are wrong. There is definitely an improvement in IPC in M4 and A18/A18Pro over the previous chips. Go and watch Geekerwan's A18 chip analysis@ehtasam2080
@ehtasam2080 Since there is already valid realworld benchmarks for the current GPUs on Blender's benchmark site and the M3 Max scores well above all those cards you listed, then it's safe to say that the M4 Ultra is more than likely going to be around what a 4080 scores possibly higher but with an insane amout of VRAM which all of those cards lsted don't have. :)
The same, exactly. I'm vying for the 27" iMac successor, at least M4 in a ~30inch iMac ie. all-in-one. For my astrophotography processing software, I very much need the bigger screen, and as much RAM and CPU performance as I can afford.
Same, though I may just have to admit to myself it isn't coming and grab a mini with a decent 4K monitor. If only there were more 5K options on the market to bring pricing down. The Studio Display is gorgeous but it's a bit pricey, though I understand why.
They are night and day in performance. I’m shocked how fast my M2 Max is when I go back to my i9 MBP that was the most maxed out of the last gen Intels. A MacMini is faster than that thing now, by a huge margin. XCode is about 20x faster on compiles.
2015 15” MB Pro upgraded CPU and dual graphics. Running Sequoia on Opencore Legacy Patcher. I do some moderate to heavy work and could not be happier. Runs great. The market has matured, the percentage of users who actually need such a powerful M4 laptop is probably 1%. But buy whatever you want.
My hope is that the M4 Max chip in a Mac Studio can beat or rival the performance of an RTX 4080 because I’ve been planning for so long to move away from a Windows set up, but as a 3D Artist and Animator, it’s difficult for me to put down money on an Apple Silicon Product, that was until I got the iPad Pro 1TB model with it’s 16GB. Seriously, the M4 has been amazing when it comes to 3D Sculpting and now having ZBrush on my iPad Max, just awesome! So if the new Mac Studio comes with an M4 Pro chip and it does amazingly in Blender, I’ll drop money down for it and finally be able to say goodbye to Windows (Though I’ll keep my Desktop PC and turn it into a Linux Render Farm PC for any complex renders)
OK, been waiting for the MacMini.... can't say l’m too stoked about the shrinkage. The current design works, so why change it? By making the case smaller, it means that if you have (as I will) all ports with connected cables, I'm hoping that it will still be heavy enough to not want to move around on the desk if you plug/unplug a cable, or use the rumoured SD card slot for whatever reason. Also, for the Pro chip, I can't help but wonder as to the thermals of a smaller case. Will it throttle? Who knows.
M4 brings significant improvements in hardware on benchmarks, but in the real world, for most users, it will feel virtually identical to the M1, M2, and M3, especially in everyday tasks and battery life, unless Apple has some additional surprises up its sleeve. Overall, only hardcore users who push their devices to the max will see tangible gains.
I've said this from Day 1. If you follow closely, you can figure out what Apple is planning. In an era where Android/ARM Phones hit a plateau with the QSD 865, they were already behind the legendary A13. Then came the A14 and M1. That is why I told people: don't wait buy now. The M1 iPad will hold up for many years, and so will the M1 Max chipset inside the MacBook Pro (14in). With the A15, I noticed the upgrades, it was good and focused on efficiency. They traded these gains for performance on the M2 Pro/Max/Ultra. But I did not think it was a worthy upgrade, and my recommendation was to go for the previous ones on a steep discount. I noted that the next generation will probably be more worthy. Before the next-gen came we got the A16 and I was very disappointed. We got no architectural and no lithography improvements. It was basically the A15 pushed to 11. This was a bad omen. Then we got the M3 Lineup, and the fears were confirmed. This was basically the A15/A16 turned upto 12/10 and using a bad node. Based on that we also got the A17 chipset which was also flawed (high heat, low battery, little performance difference). The culprit was Apple, they were unable to innovate on the architectural side. And the culprit was TSMC, we were not seeing the +35% upgrade that was promised. Well, it seems they weren't entirely lying. They saved that for the "mature" silicon and called it gen-2. And we saw Apple take advantage of this with the M4 iPad. So likely we would see these upgrades with the A18. And we just did, having about an extra +20% performance at roughly -20% the energy. This will interpret and scale up with the M4 Pro (mainstream) but more-so with the flagship M4 Max chipset. And due to the hiatus, we can probably expect an M4 Ultra too, with great performance. All this to say, Apple has stolen the wind from under Qualcomm. The QC 8g4 was exciting.... but the A18 Pro. And while the Windows Ultrabooks (aka ARMbooks) looked very promising, now with the M4 Max arguably using less battery for more performance, and higher optimisations, would make the MacBook's a more desirable option. And it is a no-contest with tablets with the iPad's wiping the floor in terms of Apps, Optimisation, and Sales Numbers as opposed to Android Tablets. I only wish we also get an updated iPad Mini, and they either go with an overclocked A18 Pro chipset, or just give us one with the M1 on a discount. I don't want Apple to raise it's price higher and cheap out with a croppy A16 chipset. That is what the rumours say.
I’d be very surprised if they put the A16 into the iPad mini. It seems like the A18 non-Pro on the mature and high yield N3E is the next chip du jour. rumors are that it will be in iPhone 16, iPad mini, iPhone SE, and possibly even whatever the next HomePod or Apple TV is.
The M4 Mac Mini is going to be absolutely terrible. The Mac Mini doesn't need to be any smaller, especially since they're going to remove a bunch of ports, forcing me to use dongles and hubs. It's going to take up even MORE space on my desk while looking ugly as heck due to the hubs and dongles I'm going to have to use. If they made the footprint 50% smaller but made it taller with at least 8x Thunderbolt ports, it would be a good redesign, but you know they're going to remove everything except for maybe 2x Thunderbolt ports, maybe 4x Thunderbolt ports on the Max/Ultra chips. Right now the Mac Mini has 4x Thunderbolt ports AND 2x USB A ports, allowing you to connect up to 6x USB devices. It also has HDMI, ethernet, etc. This redesign isn't about giving us a better computer. It's about forcing people who actually need a computer with ports to pay an extra $1,000+ for a Mac Studio.
I don’t think the current model has that many ports. It’s nothing to sneeze at, but I don’t think the new model is going to be removing so much that someone would really notice or care, but of course, this all remains to be seen.
@@abubakrakram6208 Are you kidding me? The Mac Mini has as many ports as you can physically fit on it. If they make it smaller, it's 100% guaranteed to lose ports because all of the ports that are on the current Mac Mini won't fit. The only way they can avoid losing ports is if they replace all the ports with Thunderbolt/USB-C and stack them on top of each other for a total of 8 and I just don't see Apple doing that. They want you to buy the Mac Studio for $1,000+ more. It would be great though. Imagine USB-C/Thunderbolt for everything, including power. Then you can buy USB-C to other types of port adapters individually either from Apple or third parties. I'd be totally okay with this because all of the Thunderbolt ports on my Mac Mini have a USB-C to USB-A adapter on them. It's not the prettiest but it works a heck of a lot better than a messy Thunderbolt dock.
@@joelv4495 Yeah, I have no problem with the size of the Mac Mini and I don't know anyone who does. This is just Apple being its modern money-grubby self changing things just to make it crappier and more expensive. I'm about done with Apple.
1:38 -> 4 cores is actually 33% less cores then 6 cores because you have to divide 2 by 6. If you said the M3 Pro has 50% more P cores then the the M4 that would be correct.
Actually, not really. It depends on context and how you word things. When starting from 6 to 4, its a 33% reduction (Since reducing 2 from the original 6 is 33%). But going from 4 to 6 could be phrased as a 50% increase (Since adding 2 from the original 4 is 50%).
@@Eigel there is no context Luke's math and wording is wrong and you just said the exact same thing as L0p3s just with addition of actually not really, but actually, it is actually a real fuck up.
It’s even worse. He talks about number of cores: M3 pro: 6+6=12 cores. M4: 4+6=10 cores. It’s 2/12 ~ 17% less cores 🤡 (« same score with 50% less cores than M3 Pro »)
Speaking as someone with a friend who bought and built a Southwest Technical Products 8080 kit in the very early 70's, the phrase "buy a new computer every 3 to 5 years" makes me feel like I've put my foot down on a non-existent step. Progress indeed.
I don't see a point slimming down the Mac mini to the size of a Apple tv. I'm perfectly OK with the size of the current Mac mini, yeh maybe make it 25% smaller but keep the height. What's really important is the connectivity/ports and the new chip with 16GB ram as a baseline.
Yea turns out they don’t care about the people who actually buy Mac minis and only care about design. They’ll probably strip out all the ports to make it sleeker visually
I’m one of those who DOES care about the design, I’ve been waiting for a size reduction for years so I can finally glue it on the back of my existing LG 5K monitor.
People care. You’re just one of those weird ego consumers who need the best and prettiest, waiting in line like an NPC to get the latest thing. So much so that you have to leave a reply like you did. As if you’re better than them. You are not. Most people who are truly into tech or engineering, or even just repair/waste conscious love hearing about older stuff being modified or updated to be still useful. I’d love to hear more details on his setup and how he uses it.
The M4 iPad Pro is so powerful that the display needs to be on when connected to an external display with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Absolutely incredible.
Honestly I think iPadOS really needs another upgrade, kind of like when the iPad pro originally came out and they made the file manager a lot better and added a lot of useful features as well as a bit of multitasking support. If they could improve iPadOS a little more, such as supporting multiple apps playing audio at once. It would be nice.
My GOAL keeps changing as when to buy and upgrade my 2017 27" 5K Retina iMac with 48 GB RAM ( got a great deal when I upgraded RAM) and 1TB HD. Probably last time I could do RAM upgrade myself ! Waiting for M4 27' iMac NOT 24" or a M4 Mac Studio with 27" + non-Apple display ! Current iMac still runs great so not in a rush......
m4 is actually very similar to m3 in terms of power that high geekbench score is due to increased AI capability other than that its just 4-5% performance uplift. so it's safe to say its more power efficient and very slightly powerful compared to m3 in real world
I really want to see an extreme chip just for the Mac Pro, so it’s existence is justified. Paying $2000 more just for PCIe slots does not make much sense
Having 16" M3 PRO 36GB RAM I am definitely missing M4 and M5, but it's nice to see Apple continues to develop fast. Years ago I felt it was stuck on the same spot for eternity...
12:41 I have to hardly disagree with you on your last statement. Most people don't buy a new laptop every three to five years. I think most people buy a new laptop after five years minimum.
@@danielxmiller Well that's a sample size of one. Let's add me to the mix and yes, five years is a minimum I would hold onto a computer before I even consider upgrading. I'm also retired in my fifties, so you are probably seeing the differences in our approach to consumerism right there.
@@WorksOnMyComputer not necessarily consumerism, but we likely find the utility in things different. For me, having a fast computer and new technology is important to my brand and content creation. I need fast computers to get my work done and upgrading cameras and technology to keep up with the standard requires everything to be continually updated. I also enjoy technology and selling my old products to buy new one's doesn't cost as much as it seems like it would.
My wish list for a next generation MBP is Tandem OLED (of course) and possibly FaceID (if it can fit). Other than that im am super happy with my 2021 M1 Pro 14in MBP
Agreed with all, I would add get rid of that funny annoying notch also, but this one probably won’t happen anytime soon they need a complete display redesign.
You don't need to upgrade just because the new chip is stronger. The right question is that, did you ever felt that you can use a bit more performance, but your machine "only" capable to what you get? If you never thinked that a bit more performance would be nice, you don't even need to think about upgrade yet.
I love how sure everyone is that there will be an Apple event in October even though it's already October and they haven't announced one yet. But they did announce last year's pretty late, and it wasn't until the end of the month. I would love it if they fooled everyone and waited until November, though.
Still on my i9 27" iMac and it does everything I need so far. I keep telling myself I'll wait until it stops getting updates but jeez, the Mac Mini plus a 27-32" monitor are so tempting. But no! I shall resist. Even a M4 Pro Mac Mini I shall resist... I hope.
Resist because the trade in/2nd hand value of that Intel Mac is basically nothing. It’s worth way more to you than it is to anyone else. The only thing that should prompt you to upgrade is if it’s not meeting your *needs* in the specific workloads you use it for.
@@dmug connecting third party monitors to an Apple is an inconvenient mess I don’t want to take several steps and calibration everytime I turn my computer on
The drop in performance cores is a literal gut punch, applications that are not developed by apple mainly use performance cores (as far as my experience in my field of audio engineering and production goes) the new chips may be incredible in what their accomplishing but from my experience it doesn’t help people in my line of work out. Apple needs to release these new chips that have high performance core alternative designs
“Mr. Cook, now that the iPad is faster than most M pro series MacBook chips, do you think we could AT least get a partial macOS on iPad?” Tim Cook: *”nice try Diddy”*
It’s probably just a matter of time until Apple Intelligence is gonna be integrated in a “Pro” way in MacOS and there will probably be a cut for which M chips can use it. Until then my M1 Pro chip is plenty. Is fast and doesn’t slow down👌
I'm looking to grab a new Mini with a nice 4K display. If only there were more 5K options beyond the Studio Display, as nice as they are. The prices are a little insane, but then I guess that's what you get when they're pretty much the only things the 5K panels are even made for, no economies of scale going on here! Speaking of, that could do with an update too. Upgrade it to Thunderbolt 4 and we'll be good for another few years.
I already knew the geekervan review about the 10 wide decoder. In fact, A18/A18Pro and M4 are the first cpus supporting armv9.2 instruction sets. We came in armv8 instructions since A7 (iphone 5s). So, this generation is massively ahead of A17 even if the “performance” is only 12-14% in some aspects.
With the uninspired iPad release this year, and the lackluster iPhone last month, I really hope just another spec bump is not what we have in store for Macs. The mini going down in size is a step in the right direction.
i'm not sure we're going to see a 2x style ultra again. there were some issues with performance not scaling and bugs with the architecture, so maybe they go a different direction from gluing 2 max's together
What I find impressive is the normal M4, in an iPad, competes very closely with Intel’s best chips. It may not match in terms of multi core scores, but it certainly blows it out of the park when it comes to efficiency.
Wih AI being front and center everywhere, the question is how they will battle the NVidia stranglehold with their CUDA framework. Will they increase dramatically the NPU performance or will they enable/allow NVidia cards on the Mac Pro ? Before everyone says that you can't do it because internal engine and so forth, they used to have a Macbook Pro with NVidia and integrated GPU working just fine. At the end it is a matter of software, not hardware if they will support it or not.
In my STRONG opinion, all computers should be purchased, understanding all about where tech is and where it's going, and purchasing for a minimum of 5 years before up grades. Preferably 7❤
I think there are more pilots using the M4 iPads than actual power users fully utilizing the hardware. 😂 Some pilots would just purchase just because of brighter screen and better thermal. Otherwise it’s the ultimate streaming machine.
Many people choose to buy the iPad Pro because they plan to keep it for several years and they appreciate the additional features it offers. I have an M1 iPad Pro that is almost 3.5 years old, and it still outperforms everything. To be honest, I expect it to last me for over 7 years, which is a great investment. I get features like miniLED, 120Hz display, M1 performance, great speakers, and more, which are all comparable to what current tablets in 2024 offer.
Not only pilots. As an aircraft maintenance engineer, we also use it as well, and it is the best to carry and view schematic diagrams, procedures, search aircraft maintenance manual. The level of simplicity and stability is unmatched.
Pretty tempted to do a sidegrade of sorts from my 16” M1 Pro to the regular M4 Pro MBP. M1 Pro fulfills all my computing need and the smaller, lighter form factor with similar/ better battery life of the M4 seems extremely tempting.
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i'm on M1 Max and waiting for bigger boost in GPU, so maybe next year.
If you're still on an Intel Mac I advise you to upgrade to the M4 Max MacBook Pro. I was on the fastest 5600m before I upgrade to the M3 Max immediately it release. Now I'll wait for the next M? MacBook Pro that can deliver a Metal score over 200,000. If the M4 Max can get to anywhere between 180,000-195,000 I'll be so happy because the M5 Max will definitely be around 215,000-230,000 which is when I cuff another $5000 on it.
Super excited to see what they do with the Mac mini (or Mac mini replacement). If we see it with a M4 with 16GB RAM at that same base price of $599 (which routinely gets discounted by retailers) it is going to be a huge hit.
I think they skipped the Ultra on M3 mostly because it was kind of a crappy node from TSMC (RELATIVELY SPEAKING) with poor yields and higher costs. N3E is notably cheaper with better yields and they’re putting in nearly 50% more orders on it. I mean the fact it only showed up in their MacBooks and an iMac (and only in the smallest/highest yield M3 version for that) I think kinda hints they just weren’t happy with M3 as a whole.
well technically the M2's design changed significantly from the M1. So don't expect a major design change until M6 or even M7. Maybe Apple will slim down the bezel and make that notch more like the dynamic island on the iphone.
If you only just realised, then that means it's doing its job just fine. Put the money towards your retirement or paying down your debt. You can thank me later.
Good chips, pitty they are just as good as sand in an apple PC(yes, tables and phones are as Personal Computers as they get)!I would really love to see these chips in something that you can 1. dock on a desk and have a full PC experience, 2. dock in some controller contraption and have a Steam Deck experience. It's the right time for the convergence!
Luke, I would love to see several scenarios that show how many E and P cores are used in that situation. How often does it use all the cores. Situations might include playing 3 different types of games, then different work situations, browsing, using AI (locally resident processing vs on a remote server). Can Apple support ChatGPT run locally if you have the LLM available locally. I don’t even know how big the neural net is, I guess I should look that up. Or is this not yet a thing?
One more thing is that m1, m2 and m3 all have the same IPC, the only improvements come from higher clocks. The m4 is the first time apple improves on their CPU architecture which makes a more effective improvement over time.
I'm still on a 2013 Mac Pro with 8 cores and 64GB of RAM- I've always been dying to have a 2019 Mac Pro.... But I'm hoping an M4 Mac Pro, might be my thing, eventually.
Still on the MacBook Pro 13 with 4 thunderbolt ports and the Touch Bar with an intel i5 and 8GB of RAM, that upgrade could be quite good. But still unclear about how the 2nm 5M will perform next year in comparison to the M4 pro this year.
12:32 that’s why I bought the m1 16” mbp on sale I figured I’d have it for the entirety of the run for that form factor and could upgrade when the form factor changed in 5 years
I cannot wait for the M4 Mac Mini, if it does come out with the 16gbs and stays at the same price it will be one of the best deals out there and THE BEST for getting into MacOS by far
Good tip at the end. Was thinking of upgrading from my MBP M1 Pro but might as well wait for the new form factor. Hopefully it doesn't have any major defects like ButterFly Keyboard 2.0.....
My primary concern is that the increase in power and a lack of attention to efficiency will reduce or negate a few of the primary benefits to an M Series Mac. Ignoring 2016-2019 (because they were a disaster) we gave up upgradable storage and memory for extraordinary efficiency, silence, battery life and performance for that low power consumption. I really don't want to go back to MacBooks that scream the second you open Safari. Of course there is the eco-system benefits wise, but pushing more and more power through these chips and or expanding them means they'll produce more heat and consume more power reducing the two primary hardware benefits of the M series, those being battery life and thermals. So while excited to see what these new chips entail I'm a bit apprehensive towards their release. Though of course time will tell whether my concerns are legitimate or simply anxious ramblings. lmao
@cs1-p5e I don't know if I agree that raw power is more important. I daily an M1 as a developer in PHPStorm and it works perfect. Is video editing really CPU intensive? I certainly wouldn't care if they pumped the watts out on their desktops and went efficiency on their laptops, or at least more efficiency focused.
I think at 1:38 you mean M4 has 33% fewer P cores, not 50%, which would've been a "jump" from 4P to 6P, but we're not going backwards in generations. Also, at 6:19, isn't the jump from M2 represented by: 1.17 (M2>M3) x 1.22 (M3>M4) ...so 43%? Just curious. Can't wait to grab an M4 MBA!
The extend of the base config from 8 Gb to 16 Gb will come of course on the cost that the entry price will jump at least on the amount the upgrade costs today so a MBA M2 bas costs 1099€ a MBA M3 base costs 1199€ a MBA M4 base will cost (thats my prediction) at least 1299+230 € so the entry price increase with this generation will come 330€ instead of 100€ what was the generation price increase in the past for the new generation. For those taking 16 GB anyway it would be the price increase as usual, for those taking the base (whatever this is) this time the generation priceincrease will be at least tripple the money. More intersting how apple handles this with the bigger models where allready sufficient RAM was installed. so would a PRO or MAX only have the usual increase or in repect to the higher priceincrease of the MBA Base model the price increase will be substantial with the M4 generation.
I know it's probably asking too much but I'd love to see the original M1 lineup (M1/Pro/Max/Ultra) in these graphs, just to see how much the advancement has been for us early adopters (M1 Max owner here)
I am wishing the same thing. I got a 16" M1 Pro at a super discount when the M2's showed. It's still more computer than I need but I love the screen and speakers and coming from an Intel I7 "campfire starter" MacBook. It is blazing fast and runs cool.
I'm on the Macbook air m1 7core 👀I'm upgrading to the m4pro!
@@PeterWhite-q1k Thata wayyy moe than enough for about 95% of people
💯 this. M1 was such a huge leap I think a ton of people still haven’t upgraded from it so that’s the comparison people really want
man yea i wish another content creator would have the insight to do just this.
For now as for how limited iPadOS is, the M4 iPad pro is the most slimest and most powerful Netflix and TH-cam Machine.
@ehtasam2080 That is a hot take. The iPad Pro has always had one of the best displays for a tablet. 600nits is not alot when the iPad goes well over a thousand. Also when you are streaming, lower response times dont really make a difference. If anything the anti reflective coating is ALSO available on the new iPad even though it dumbs the picture quality by alot (this is why Macs didnt have antireflective coatings in the past). Though Samsung probably makes iPad displays, Apples integration of hardware and software is miles better. Its Apples greed to lock down the iPad to prevent the Mac sales from being hurt.
my 100$ tablet is the best yt and netflix machine with 11hours batery again 100$ :)
I think he is ironic in his hot take 😄
I have always been an impatient web surfer. Along with a base M1 Mini, I currently have both an 9th gen iPad and M1 iPad Air 5. The speed and response difference is night and day....to the point that the 9th gen rarely gets used anymore. I am hoping that the upcoming base M4 Mini will offer an even greater (clearly visible) performance boost relative to the OG Mini. No question that Apple Silicon has been a game changer for the entire industry.
@@nikhildasm2352 You're writing to a bot (look at the channel). I think you're wasting your time unfortunately.
As impressive as the processor improvements are, an increase to 16 GB of RAM would mean far more to most users than the increase in processor speed.
Yes, the main issue of apple is RAM, and i don`t know the why but they do this intentionally, the ipad pro has 12gb of ram but apple limits it to 8gb using software, so you pay 12gb and receive only 8gb cause apple want this. and a similar issue with iphone, 8gb in a high end iphone is a shame, we have smartphones with 16gb or until 24gb in the android side, but apple just brings 8gb in 2024, the limited RAM made all other iphones not have access to apple intelligence due low RAM despide the good processor, anyway A18 has the same issue as the M3 had in macbooks too, he is limited by RAM, we have a lot of videos showing us that just double the RAM to 16gb double the performance, it means that the only limitation in the chip is RAM, RAM is so cheap so it make no sense...
Yeah, as a developer RAM is pretty important for my workflow. My work M1 Pro has 32GB and honestly is the first time I've stopped caring about our refresh cycle. Sure I'll happily accept a shiny new computer, but it probably won't impact my workflow/productivity much. However, the cost of RAM does make it difficult for me to justify a decent home "geek" system. It's somewhat sad that my RAM needs (databases and K8s/docker) are still best served by a 6,1 trashcan.
This isn’t really a product problem, it’s a price problem. The machines are too expensive for the amount of RAM there is. As for getting a MacBook with more RAM, the solution is pretty simple: don’t buy the base model. That’s what I’ve had to do, and, although it’s begrudgingly, I think most people can do that. We should all be happy about a price decrease. I’m just saying that, that’s somethings so benign to me that I can’t really get excited about a new product for that reason.
@@abubakrakram6208 Right. It's just that the price differential is so great that a 10-year-old architecture still provides (for my use-case) better value. But Apple is as free to make this business choice as we are to complain about it!
@@scratchanitch you must be doing your dev work in MacOS though, right?
I couldn't imagine needing 16GB of ram on an iPad... What would one possibly be working on that's so resource intensive?
this video brought back memories of my bachelor's degree time having computer architecture classes
fr! wrote a risc v processor in verilog 4 years ago. havent done anything that cool before or since
I'm doing that class now, how long did it take you for the nightmares to stop?!
4:09 friendly reminder to put the link for the vid in the description
For the GPUs, when we look at the A series chips in iPhones the A18 Pro which is derived from M4 does strangely have double the raytracing performance of the previous A17 Pro which is based on M3. In pure rasterisation performance it is about 20% faster. So I do think something is new. That doubling in raytracing performance should provide great improvements for workloads such as blender
Interesting!
Buying a new laptop every 3-5 years. Dang, I still use my 2014 Macbook Pro. It's honestly time to get a new one, but I think I can hold off for a new generation.
Going from 13" M1 to 14" M3 Max felt like a quantum leap in performance and user experience, can't imagine how blown away you are going to be
bro, just wait one more generation please they just introduce ai. might as well save and max out all specs..
@@gatesroyale Yeah that's the idea for sure. I feel like next year will be the year.
@@nicolaifranz4272 m3 max is insane what do u even use it for?
So basically the regular M4 is going to perform equally to my M2 Max Machine. Uhm interesting. Still I don’t even push my machine to the limit so that’s completely insane.
On multicore cpu score, yes.
Unless they switch all the cores to performance for the Mac.
@ehtasam2080except it’s based on an entirely different NM process which will yield same performance using less wattage and cooler temperatures.
@ehtasam2080 that’s the TDP. Not the actual power consumption for equivalent tasks. 🤦
You are wrong. There is definitely an improvement in IPC in M4 and A18/A18Pro over the previous chips. Go and watch Geekerwan's A18 chip analysis@ehtasam2080
I'll wait until single core performance is double compared to M1
M4 ultra will be an absolute beast
@ehtasam2080 Since there is already valid realworld benchmarks for the current GPUs on Blender's benchmark site and the M3 Max scores well above all those cards you listed, then it's safe to say that the M4 Ultra is more than likely going to be around what a 4080 scores possibly higher but with an insane amout of VRAM which all of those cards lsted don't have. :)
All I want is an M4 Pro 27" iMac 5k desktop. Give me that and I'm happy.
The same, exactly. I'm vying for the 27" iMac successor, at least M4 in a ~30inch iMac ie. all-in-one. For my astrophotography processing software, I very much need the bigger screen, and as much RAM and CPU performance as I can afford.
Same, though I may just have to admit to myself it isn't coming and grab a mini with a decent 4K monitor. If only there were more 5K options on the market to bring pricing down. The Studio Display is gorgeous but it's a bit pricey, though I understand why.
15inch M4 MacBook Air will be my next Laptop and replace my late 2013 15“ MBP.
2013 omg :)
@@adredy I thinking the same thing ...
I upgraded from that laptop to the 2021 16”. Game changer
I am waiting to Spring as well ❤MBA, 512 GB, at least 16 GB Ram, 15" display.
@@adredy i am proud of my old machine 😃😃 but it’s about time. Even though i only need my pc for Basic Stuff.
Well, I guess it’s time to upgrade from my 7yr old Intel based iMac Pro. Still running perfectly though.
You don’t need to wait. The current M series (any of them) are HUGE step up from intel based.
They are night and day in performance. I’m shocked how fast my M2 Max is when I go back to my i9 MBP that was the most maxed out of the last gen Intels. A MacMini is faster than that thing now, by a huge margin.
XCode is about 20x faster on compiles.
Perfect timing🎉
2015 15” MB Pro upgraded CPU and dual graphics. Running Sequoia on Opencore Legacy Patcher. I do some moderate to heavy work and could not be happier. Runs great. The market has matured, the percentage of users who actually need such a powerful M4 laptop is probably 1%. But buy whatever you want.
3:28 shoutout to P. Diddy
damn he really did say p diddy
My hope is that the M4 Max chip in a Mac Studio can beat or rival the performance of an RTX 4080 because I’ve been planning for so long to move away from a Windows set up, but as a 3D Artist and Animator, it’s difficult for me to put down money on an Apple Silicon Product, that was until I got the iPad Pro 1TB model with it’s 16GB.
Seriously, the M4 has been amazing when it comes to 3D Sculpting and now having ZBrush on my iPad Max, just awesome!
So if the new Mac Studio comes with an M4 Pro chip and it does amazingly in Blender, I’ll drop money down for it and finally be able to say goodbye to Windows (Though I’ll keep my Desktop PC and turn it into a Linux Render Farm PC for any complex renders)
Mac Studio isn’t rumored to be updated to M4 generation until June next year. The October stuff is only for Mac Mini.
@@nickd7935 Yeah I seen in the lastest update rumours. Might consider just getting the Mac Mini with the M4 Pro/Max chip instead.
OK, been waiting for the MacMini.... can't say l’m too stoked about the shrinkage. The current design works, so why change it? By making the case smaller, it means that if you have (as I will) all ports with connected cables, I'm hoping that it will still be heavy enough to not want to move around on the desk if you plug/unplug a cable, or use the rumoured SD card slot for whatever reason. Also, for the Pro chip, I can't help but wonder as to the thermals of a smaller case. Will it throttle? Who knows.
Have you seen the inside of the current M series Mac mini? Half of it is completely empty. It doesn’t need to be as big as it is right now
It is really not that mini any more compared to the competition.
M4 brings significant improvements in hardware on benchmarks, but in the real world, for most users, it will feel virtually identical to the M1, M2, and M3, especially in everyday tasks and battery life, unless Apple has some additional surprises up its sleeve.
Overall, only hardcore users who push their devices to the max will see tangible gains.
Meanwhile my M1 Pro with 32GB is still easily handles my workloads.
Waiting to see actual new functionality…
I've said this from Day 1.
If you follow closely, you can figure out what Apple is planning. In an era where Android/ARM Phones hit a plateau with the QSD 865, they were already behind the legendary A13. Then came the A14 and M1.
That is why I told people: don't wait buy now. The M1 iPad will hold up for many years, and so will the M1 Max chipset inside the MacBook Pro (14in).
With the A15, I noticed the upgrades, it was good and focused on efficiency. They traded these gains for performance on the M2 Pro/Max/Ultra. But I did not think it was a worthy upgrade, and my recommendation was to go for the previous ones on a steep discount. I noted that the next generation will probably be more worthy.
Before the next-gen came we got the A16 and I was very disappointed. We got no architectural and no lithography improvements. It was basically the A15 pushed to 11. This was a bad omen. Then we got the M3 Lineup, and the fears were confirmed. This was basically the A15/A16 turned upto 12/10 and using a bad node. Based on that we also got the A17 chipset which was also flawed (high heat, low battery, little performance difference). The culprit was Apple, they were unable to innovate on the architectural side. And the culprit was TSMC, we were not seeing the +35% upgrade that was promised.
Well, it seems they weren't entirely lying. They saved that for the "mature" silicon and called it gen-2. And we saw Apple take advantage of this with the M4 iPad. So likely we would see these upgrades with the A18. And we just did, having about an extra +20% performance at roughly -20% the energy. This will interpret and scale up with the M4 Pro (mainstream) but more-so with the flagship M4 Max chipset. And due to the hiatus, we can probably expect an M4 Ultra too, with great performance.
All this to say, Apple has stolen the wind from under Qualcomm. The QC 8g4 was exciting.... but the A18 Pro. And while the Windows Ultrabooks (aka ARMbooks) looked very promising, now with the M4 Max arguably using less battery for more performance, and higher optimisations, would make the MacBook's a more desirable option. And it is a no-contest with tablets with the iPad's wiping the floor in terms of Apps, Optimisation, and Sales Numbers as opposed to Android Tablets.
I only wish we also get an updated iPad Mini, and they either go with an overclocked A18 Pro chipset, or just give us one with the M1 on a discount. I don't want Apple to raise it's price higher and cheap out with a croppy A16 chipset. That is what the rumours say.
we haven't gotten the 8g4 yet tho...
I’d be very surprised if they put the A16 into the iPad mini. It seems like the A18 non-Pro on the mature and high yield N3E is the next chip du jour. rumors are that it will be in iPhone 16, iPad mini, iPhone SE, and possibly even whatever the next HomePod or Apple TV is.
You made me pick up my dictionary with the “hiatus” word. 😊thanks
The M4 Mac Mini is going to be absolutely terrible. The Mac Mini doesn't need to be any smaller, especially since they're going to remove a bunch of ports, forcing me to use dongles and hubs. It's going to take up even MORE space on my desk while looking ugly as heck due to the hubs and dongles I'm going to have to use. If they made the footprint 50% smaller but made it taller with at least 8x Thunderbolt ports, it would be a good redesign, but you know they're going to remove everything except for maybe 2x Thunderbolt ports, maybe 4x Thunderbolt ports on the Max/Ultra chips. Right now the Mac Mini has 4x Thunderbolt ports AND 2x USB A ports, allowing you to connect up to 6x USB devices. It also has HDMI, ethernet, etc. This redesign isn't about giving us a better computer. It's about forcing people who actually need a computer with ports to pay an extra $1,000+ for a Mac Studio.
I think it seems a good idea until , as you said , you start plugging things into it
Then it defeats the whole purpose of it's minimalism design
I don’t think the current model has that many ports. It’s nothing to sneeze at, but I don’t think the new model is going to be removing so much that someone would really notice or care, but of course, this all remains to be seen.
On the flip side, I wouldn't want it to be taller because then it wouldn't fit in 1U of rack space.
@@abubakrakram6208 Are you kidding me? The Mac Mini has as many ports as you can physically fit on it. If they make it smaller, it's 100% guaranteed to lose ports because all of the ports that are on the current Mac Mini won't fit. The only way they can avoid losing ports is if they replace all the ports with Thunderbolt/USB-C and stack them on top of each other for a total of 8 and I just don't see Apple doing that. They want you to buy the Mac Studio for $1,000+ more. It would be great though. Imagine USB-C/Thunderbolt for everything, including power. Then you can buy USB-C to other types of port adapters individually either from Apple or third parties. I'd be totally okay with this because all of the Thunderbolt ports on my Mac Mini have a USB-C to USB-A adapter on them. It's not the prettiest but it works a heck of a lot better than a messy Thunderbolt dock.
@@joelv4495 Yeah, I have no problem with the size of the Mac Mini and I don't know anyone who does. This is just Apple being its modern money-grubby self changing things just to make it crappier and more expensive. I'm about done with Apple.
1:38 -> 4 cores is actually 33% less cores then 6 cores because you have to divide 2 by 6. If you said the M3 Pro has 50% more P cores then the the M4 that would be correct.
Actually, not really. It depends on context and how you word things.
When starting from 6 to 4, its a 33% reduction (Since reducing 2 from the original 6 is 33%). But going from 4 to 6 could be phrased as a 50% increase (Since adding 2 from the original 4 is 50%).
@@Eigel there is no context Luke's math and wording is wrong and you just said the exact same thing as L0p3s just with addition of actually not really, but actually, it is actually a real fuck up.
4P are indeed half of 8P
It’s even worse. He talks about number of cores: M3 pro: 6+6=12 cores. M4: 4+6=10 cores. It’s 2/12 ~ 17% less cores 🤡 (« same score with 50% less cores than M3 Pro »)
@@MrSpikegee He says M4 has half the performance cores of M2 Pro. That’s simply correct. 🤷
I'll be happy when they finally re-release iPadOS 18 for the M4 so I can restore my backup to it
Speaking as someone with a friend who bought and built a Southwest Technical Products 8080 kit in the very early 70's, the phrase "buy a new computer every 3 to 5 years" makes me feel like I've put my foot down on a non-existent step. Progress indeed.
YES. Geekerwan getting more exposure they deserve.
I don't see a point slimming down the Mac mini to the size of a Apple tv. I'm perfectly OK with the size of the current Mac mini, yeh maybe make it 25% smaller but keep the height. What's really important is the connectivity/ports and the new chip with 16GB ram as a baseline.
Yea turns out they don’t care about the people who actually buy Mac minis and only care about design. They’ll probably strip out all the ports to make it sleeker visually
I’m one of those who DOES care about the design, I’ve been waiting for a size reduction for years so I can finally glue it on the back of my existing LG 5K monitor.
I'm still running a macbook pro 2008, and a hackintosh with a 3rd gen i3
cool nobody cares
People care. You’re just one of those weird ego consumers who need the best and prettiest, waiting in line like an NPC to get the latest thing. So much so that you have to leave a reply like you did. As if you’re better than them. You are not.
Most people who are truly into tech or engineering, or even just repair/waste conscious love hearing about older stuff being modified or updated to be still useful. I’d love to hear more details on his setup and how he uses it.
woah
I’m surprised it still connects to websites properly. Are you using OCLP?
The M4 iPad Pro is so powerful that the display needs to be on when connected to an external display with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. Absolutely incredible.
It is a tablet; get a Macbook if you want external display support or a Mac Mini for $400.
That’s obviously software. Doesn’t have anything to do with the power. Lot of uneducated takes in the comments here
Honestly I think iPadOS really needs another upgrade, kind of like when the iPad pro originally came out and they made the file manager a lot better and added a lot of useful features as well as a bit of multitasking support. If they could improve iPadOS a little more, such as supporting multiple apps playing audio at once. It would be nice.
@@joshuamusser8893 wow sarcasm flies right over you, doesn't it?
@@GraveUypo ok, but to be fair sarcasm is supposed to be funny
My GOAL keeps changing as when to buy and upgrade my 2017 27" 5K Retina iMac with 48 GB RAM ( got a great deal when I upgraded RAM) and 1TB HD. Probably last time I could do RAM upgrade myself ! Waiting for M4 27' iMac NOT 24" or a M4 Mac Studio with 27" + non-Apple display ! Current iMac still runs great so not in a rush......
m4 is actually very similar to m3 in terms of power that high geekbench score is due to increased AI capability other than that its just 4-5% performance uplift. so it's safe to say its more power efficient and very slightly powerful compared to m3 in real world
M3 pro/max chips will be enough for 90% of users till 2030.
These videos are excellent ways of describing complicated topics to moderately techy people outside of the engineering game
I really want to see an extreme chip just for the Mac Pro, so it’s existence is justified. Paying $2000 more just for PCIe slots does not make much sense
The Mac mini will get the same ‘huge’ redesign as the Apple Watch X got.
Having 16" M3 PRO 36GB RAM I am definitely missing M4 and M5, but it's nice to see Apple continues to develop fast. Years ago I felt it was stuck on the same spot for eternity...
It looks as though the M4 has the least upgrade and of course Apple will charge a premium compared to everyone else.
12:41 I have to hardly disagree with you on your last statement. Most people don't buy a new laptop every three to five years. I think most people buy a new laptop after five years minimum.
I've gotten 3 new MacBooks since 2019 and an Alienware inbetween the first and second. 5 years is a long time to wait between computers.
@@danielxmiller Well that's a sample size of one. Let's add me to the mix and yes, five years is a minimum I would hold onto a computer before I even consider upgrading. I'm also retired in my fifties, so you are probably seeing the differences in our approach to consumerism right there.
@@WorksOnMyComputer not necessarily consumerism, but we likely find the utility in things different. For me, having a fast computer and new technology is important to my brand and content creation. I need fast computers to get my work done and upgrading cameras and technology to keep up with the standard requires everything to be continually updated. I also enjoy technology and selling my old products to buy new one's doesn't cost as much as it seems like it would.
Where is my M4 Ultra? 😢
My wish list for a next generation MBP is Tandem OLED (of course) and possibly FaceID (if it can fit). Other than that im am super happy with my 2021 M1 Pro 14in MBP
That will eventually come to pass.
dell xps „way better“ are you dense? Wintel crap machine with no ports or proper keys, lmao
@ehtasam2080 only 500 nits and runs windows. :/
Agreed with all, I would add get rid of that funny annoying notch also, but this one probably won’t happen anytime soon they need a complete display redesign.
why no m1 in the chart?🙁 i have a m1 max studio and was wondering if its time to upgrade
You don't need to upgrade just because the new chip is stronger. The right question is that, did you ever felt that you can use a bit more performance, but your machine "only" capable to what you get? If you never thinked that a bit more performance would be nice, you don't even need to think about upgrade yet.
You didn’t touch on the massive neural engine improvements with the new int 8 processing.
I love how sure everyone is that there will be an Apple event in October even though it's already October and they haven't announced one yet. But they did announce last year's pretty late, and it wasn't until the end of the month. I would love it if they fooled everyone and waited until November, though.
They only announce the event a week beforehand and last year the event was on Oct31 so they didn’t announce it until like the 24th
While there are probably no major gpu changes in the M4 the faster memory can make a large difference.
Still on my i9 27" iMac and it does everything I need so far. I keep telling myself I'll wait until it stops getting updates but jeez, the Mac Mini plus a 27-32" monitor are so tempting. But no! I shall resist. Even a M4 Pro Mac Mini I shall resist... I hope.
Resist because the trade in/2nd hand value of that Intel Mac is basically nothing. It’s worth way more to you than it is to anyone else. The only thing that should prompt you to upgrade is if it’s not meeting your *needs* in the specific workloads you use it for.
All I care about at this point is an M4 Studio/ultra and a way overdue upgraded apple monitor that can do 8K
Or you could buy an 8k non Apple display and pay less money
@@dmug connecting third party monitors to an Apple is an inconvenient mess I don’t want to take several steps and calibration everytime I turn my computer on
@@hawaiifreespeechnews This. 3rd party always requires tedious calibration. Hate it.
@@dmug or just don't buy 8k at all... our eyes cant even see it on a television, let alone a monitor
There is no reason a regular user needs an 8K monitor. Just give us another 4 or 6k monitor Apple branded monitor.
it would be cool to see a comparison of the new snap dragon chips compared at a low level. Like how you compared the wide decode stats.
what would be the point? they are super energy inneficient in performance mode. New Ryzens are eating them up in every benchmark
The drop in performance cores is a literal gut punch, applications that are not developed by apple mainly use performance cores (as far as my experience in my field of audio engineering and production goes) the new chips may be incredible in what their accomplishing but from my experience it doesn’t help people in my line of work out. Apple needs to release these new chips that have high performance core alternative designs
“Mr. Cook, now that the iPad is faster than most M pro series MacBook chips, do you think we could AT least get a partial macOS on iPad?”
Tim Cook: *”nice try Diddy”*
I’m on a M2 Max I’m waiting for Face ID MacBooks unless the m4 really brings a lot to the table
It’s probably just a matter of time until Apple Intelligence is gonna be integrated in a “Pro” way in MacOS and there will probably be a cut for which M chips can use it.
Until then my M1 Pro chip is plenty. Is fast and doesn’t slow down👌
I am euphoric about Mac Mini M4 Pro, current system is iMac from late 2015 with 8GB of un-upgradable RAM as I only upgrade every 10 years.
I'm looking to grab a new Mini with a nice 4K display. If only there were more 5K options beyond the Studio Display, as nice as they are. The prices are a little insane, but then I guess that's what you get when they're pretty much the only things the 5K panels are even made for, no economies of scale going on here! Speaking of, that could do with an update too. Upgrade it to Thunderbolt 4 and we'll be good for another few years.
I already knew the geekervan review about the 10 wide decoder. In fact, A18/A18Pro and M4 are the first cpus supporting armv9.2 instruction sets. We came in armv8 instructions since A7 (iphone 5s). So, this generation is massively ahead of A17 even if the “performance” is only 12-14% in some aspects.
With the uninspired iPad release this year, and the lackluster iPhone last month, I really hope just another spec bump is not what we have in store for Macs. The mini going down in size is a step in the right direction.
What exactly where you expecting from those things that makes you think they were uninspired and lacklustre?
Im waiting for the M4 Studio (Ultra) with hopefully 256gb ram. That would be perfect for my DL models and science research.
I'm hoping the M4 Studio is available with 512Gb RAM, but I will still buy one only 256Gb RAM is supported.
Apple needs to come with a more affordable 27 inch 5K monitor or 4.5k 24 inch monitor. That is preventing many users from buying mini and usin it.
The ASD could do with an update
Buy an ASUS Pro Art - problem solved
@@daweed_spieschl You mean the thing you can't actually buy yet? I'll wait for reviews.
@@TalesOfWar ? wdym there are many series of it available already
@@daweed_spieschl I thought you were refering to their new 5K model that hasn't been released yet.
I’ve had my M1 Pro for over 2 years now, I’m editing a lot of 4K Log footage. I’m definitely thinking the M4 Max is my next laptop
I want them to make home servers again
Large language model fans will be loving the high spec M4s I'm sure
i'm not sure we're going to see a 2x style ultra again. there were some issues with performance not scaling and bugs with the architecture, so maybe they go a different direction from gluing 2 max's together
Nice analysis of the cores and efficiency
What I find impressive is the normal M4, in an iPad, competes very closely with Intel’s best chips.
It may not match in terms of multi core scores, but it certainly blows it out of the park when it comes to efficiency.
Wih AI being front and center everywhere, the question is how they will battle the NVidia stranglehold with their CUDA framework. Will they increase dramatically the NPU performance or will they enable/allow NVidia cards on the Mac Pro ? Before everyone says that you can't do it because internal engine and so forth, they used to have a Macbook Pro with NVidia and integrated GPU working just fine. At the end it is a matter of software, not hardware if they will support it or not.
Apple silicon's AI advantage are its massive VRAM options. That is essential for certain tasks.
First info on the M4 that makes it sound interesting to me.
When are they going to go parallel and let you add extra CPUs like expansion cards?
In my STRONG opinion, all computers should be purchased, understanding all about where tech is and where it's going, and purchasing for a minimum of 5 years before up grades. Preferably 7❤
I think there are more pilots using the M4 iPads than actual power users fully utilizing the hardware. 😂
Some pilots would just purchase just because of brighter screen and better thermal. Otherwise it’s the ultimate streaming machine.
Many people choose to buy the iPad Pro because they plan to keep it for several years and they appreciate the additional features it offers. I have an M1 iPad Pro that is almost 3.5 years old, and it still outperforms everything. To be honest, I expect it to last me for over 7 years, which is a great investment. I get features like miniLED, 120Hz display, M1 performance, great speakers, and more, which are all comparable to what current tablets in 2024 offer.
100%. Pilots, college students and artists have single handedly kept the iPad alive. Apple should really be paying ForeFlight as a thank you
Not only pilots. As an aircraft maintenance engineer, we also use it as well, and it is the best to carry and view schematic diagrams, procedures, search aircraft maintenance manual. The level of simplicity and stability is unmatched.
Pretty tempted to do a sidegrade of sorts from my 16” M1 Pro to the regular M4 Pro MBP. M1 Pro fulfills all my computing need and the smaller, lighter form factor with similar/ better battery life of the M4 seems extremely tempting.
i'm on M1 Max and waiting for bigger boost in GPU, so maybe next year.
If you're still on an Intel Mac I advise you to upgrade to the M4 Max MacBook Pro. I was on the fastest 5600m before I upgrade to the M3 Max immediately it release. Now I'll wait for the next M? MacBook Pro that can deliver a Metal score over 200,000. If the M4 Max can get to anywhere between 180,000-195,000 I'll be so happy because the M5 Max will definitely be around 215,000-230,000 which is when I cuff another $5000 on it.
Super excited to see what they do with the Mac mini (or Mac mini replacement). If we see it with a M4 with 16GB RAM at that same base price of $599 (which routinely gets discounted by retailers) it is going to be a huge hit.
I think they skipped the Ultra on M3 mostly because it was kind of a crappy node from TSMC (RELATIVELY SPEAKING) with poor yields and higher costs. N3E is notably cheaper with better yields and they’re putting in nearly 50% more orders on it.
I mean the fact it only showed up in their MacBooks and an iMac (and only in the smallest/highest yield M3 version for that) I think kinda hints they just weren’t happy with M3 as a whole.
well technically the M2's design changed significantly from the M1. So don't expect a major design change until M6 or even M7. Maybe Apple will slim down the bezel and make that notch more like the dynamic island on the iphone.
4:40 more curious why this is in Chinese?
I cannot wait for the release of the MacBook with the M4, I plan on buying, and it would be the first MacBook I have ever purchased.
Just realized my Air is 4 years old. Holy crap. Might need to eye up a newer Air soon
If you only just realised, then that means it's doing its job just fine. Put the money towards your retirement or paying down your debt. You can thank me later.
@@WorksOnMyComputeragreed. No need to purchase a new tool if the current tool works.
I’m watching this video at 4x TH-cam speed on my M4 iPad Pro. It plays videos super fast!😂
I dunno…looks like more expensive stuff I don’t need. Maybe in a couple generations I’ll consider the m4 LOL.
Good chips, pitty they are just as good as sand in an apple PC(yes, tables and phones are as Personal Computers as they get)!I would really love to see these chips in something that you can 1. dock on a desk and have a full PC experience, 2. dock in some controller contraption and have a Steam Deck experience. It's the right time for the convergence!
Luke, I would love to see several scenarios that show how many E and P cores are used in that situation. How often does it use all the cores. Situations might include playing 3 different types of games, then different work situations, browsing, using AI (locally resident processing vs on a remote server). Can Apple support ChatGPT run locally if you have the LLM available locally. I don’t even know how big the neural net is, I guess I should look that up. Or is this not yet a thing?
10 wide is nuts. The branch prediction on the M4 must be absolutely insane.
Hidra/Hydra - a many-headed serpent or monster in Greek mythology. Shall we see 3 or more coupled together with the M4 Hidra, perhaps stacked ?
Will M4 chips always increase, M5 etc?
One more thing is that m1, m2 and m3 all have the same IPC, the only improvements come from higher clocks. The m4 is the first time apple improves on their CPU architecture which makes a more effective improvement over time.
I have an M1 Max and it's still blazingly fast, Seeing where we're at with the upcoming M4, man.... it's tempting to upgrade.
Can you compare M1 to M4 so we can see the difference?
Apple will more than likely just add performance cores and tweak the power going into the chip and give it a hefty cooler to keep the temp in check.
I'm still on a 2013 Mac Pro with 8 cores and 64GB of RAM-
I've always been dying to have a 2019 Mac Pro....
But I'm hoping an M4 Mac Pro, might be my thing, eventually.
Still on the MacBook Pro 13 with 4 thunderbolt ports and the Touch Bar with an intel i5 and 8GB of RAM, that upgrade could be quite good. But still unclear about how the 2nm 5M will perform next year in comparison to the M4 pro this year.
3 to 5 years?, dude I'm watching this on my mid 2014 macbook pro XD
Very good video! I love all the technical talk!
Money ready for an M4 mini .
Where did you get your yellow chair?
It is the last generation without Thunderbolt 5. Thunderbolt 5 has recently been introduced and will hang around for the next 6-7+ years.
12:32 that’s why I bought the m1 16” mbp on sale I figured I’d have it for the entirety of the run for that form factor and could upgrade when the form factor changed in 5 years
I cannot wait for the M4 Mac Mini, if it does come out with the 16gbs and stays at the same price it will be one of the best deals out there and THE BEST for getting into MacOS by far
Good tip at the end. Was thinking of upgrading from my MBP M1 Pro but might as well wait for the new form factor. Hopefully it doesn't have any major defects like ButterFly Keyboard 2.0.....
My primary concern is that the increase in power and a lack of attention to efficiency will reduce or negate a few of the primary benefits to an M Series Mac. Ignoring 2016-2019 (because they were a disaster) we gave up upgradable storage and memory for extraordinary efficiency, silence, battery life and performance for that low power consumption. I really don't want to go back to MacBooks that scream the second you open Safari.
Of course there is the eco-system benefits wise, but pushing more and more power through these chips and or expanding them means they'll produce more heat and consume more power reducing the two primary hardware benefits of the M series, those being battery life and thermals. So while excited to see what these new chips entail I'm a bit apprehensive towards their release. Though of course time will tell whether my concerns are legitimate or simply anxious ramblings. lmao
@cs1-p5e I don't know if I agree that raw power is more important. I daily an M1 as a developer in PHPStorm and it works perfect. Is video editing really CPU intensive? I certainly wouldn't care if they pumped the watts out on their desktops and went efficiency on their laptops, or at least more efficiency focused.
I think at 1:38 you mean M4 has 33% fewer P cores, not 50%, which would've been a "jump" from 4P to 6P, but we're not going backwards in generations.
Also, at 6:19, isn't the jump from M2 represented by:
1.17 (M2>M3) x 1.22 (M3>M4) ...so 43%?
Just curious. Can't wait to grab an M4 MBA!
The extend of the base config from 8 Gb to 16 Gb will come of course on the cost that the entry price will jump at least on the amount the upgrade costs today so a MBA M2 bas costs 1099€ a MBA M3 base costs 1199€ a MBA M4 base will cost (thats my prediction) at least 1299+230 € so the entry price increase with this generation will come 330€ instead of 100€ what was the generation price increase in the past for the new generation. For those taking 16 GB anyway it would be the price increase as usual, for those taking the base (whatever this is) this time the generation priceincrease will be at least tripple the money. More intersting how apple handles this with the bigger models where allready sufficient RAM was installed. so would a PRO or MAX only have the usual increase or in repect to the higher priceincrease of the MBA Base model the price increase will be substantial with the M4 generation.