Funnily enough, many old tractors had smaller engines that were used solely to start the bigger engines. Those were needed as there were no electrics, and if there were electrics they were not capable of rotating the big engine. And I mean, the tractors literally had two engines installed, one to power the tractor and one dedicated to starting the tractor.
Loving the reverse action. That is one simple transmission. Pretty cool history there, especially when it won't start. ;-) Here's hoping it works out occasionally that you get more energy out of it than you put INTO it.
Intake valve is sticking open and ignition timing is way off.The late Mr. Vernon Griffin of Portland Tenn. would prime his with 2 rotations of the flywheel then pull it up to TDC easy by hand. After it crossed past TDC, the impulse magneto would "snap" , one of the cylinders would light and the flywheel would pull out of his hand and the engine start.
@@Clunk49 exactly, these engines should start right up by hand. Almost always less than 4 rotations, if it takes more than that they're doing something very wrong and probably shouldn't touch it. My guess is the timing is wrong, wich can blow the cylinder clean in half.
Spencer Prescott you could find somebody near you with one or some, they will most likely be glad of any good help. They take a lot of looking after. Just put the word out you a willing helper for anybody with one. Big payback in experience, knowledge and good times.
@@andrewwilson8317 look for any local tractor clubs in you area, almost every state in USA and Canada have at least one club, go there and ask questions see what kind of tractor you actually looking for, see what it takes to have one, get to know the tractor guys so that they can help you if needed and finally, look look look all over Craiglist newspapers Facebook and all other selling website, somewhere out there thier is a tractor waiting for you
It shows just how angry it is when it blows back through the breather just to try to burn the operator. I have subscribed because I enjoyed watching this video so much. Bob from Australia. As far as I know none of these machines were ever imported into Australia.
That's how it should be. My 75 year old Atlas Imperial diesel engine does exactly that, fires on 120psi air pressure. Not sure what these guys are up to? 🤔
Now i know why farmers have to get up before dawn. It takes half the morning just to get the damn tractor started and warmed up! Great video. Love seeing old machinery that still runs. Would like to know more detailed information about how the Rumely starts and runs.
They are pretty simple. They used a mixer instead of a carburetor so fuel supply was as simple as opening a needle valve and adjusting it as the engine load demanded it, using the color of the exhaust smoke and engine rhythm to guide you. Starting was simply setting the fuel valve, flipping down the decompression lever, applying some choke and barring the engine over. Ignition impulse and retarding was fully automatic so no worries there. When it fired you simply let it spool up as you adjusted your fuel settings. Under a heavy load a second valve on the mixer supplied water to the fuel mix to prevent detonation. The mixer also had a third valve for kerosene fuel which was used after the engine warmed up to operating temperature, gasoline was used for starting but not running due to it's high value in those days. Engine speed was adjusted with a simple ratcheted governor override lever that acted on the centrifugal flyball speed governor. Enjoy.
@@kubotaman3440 All joking aside, when the farmers of that era would stop for lunch, a lot of times they would just leave the tractors idling to keep from having to do another cold start.😉 P.S. They actually start pretty easily on gas when they're cold. Sometimes it's just a matter of rolling them over top dead center with the compression releases open, and as soon as the impulse coupling trips on the mag, they'll fire.😁
Oh man, that Rumely must have been almost seized up with the sound of that M trying to crank it. I have run IH Super M's on lots of machines and yeah its got lots of torque on the pully! And BTW, my brother still has a Super M from 1952 in mint condition, but no, he won't sell it. Ok, this just was an M on the belt, but still, it was a powerhouse when IH introduced it.
Early models with the massive parallel cranked twin cylinder engines ran in the opposite direction, clockwise viewed from the flywheel, these late models were a new design that ran the other way.
TheGarywilliams my guess is they thought it would be easier to start it off the sheave on the side of the tractor instead on the normal method. I'm assuming the normal method is by hand crank or some type of charge.
Yes since it had not ran in years and needed magneto work they thought it would be easier to do a belt start first to work the bugs out. Normally it is started by a large bar that engages teeth on the backside of the flywheel.
Normally they start with a leaver on the flywheel, this method with the belt is sort of the cheater way, and good for stubborn engines that dont wanna start
Just visit your nearest antique power show; there's usually a Rumely or two there, as well as a a few Hart Parrs, Averys, IHCs, and Waterloo Boys. Sometimes they just chug around in the tractor parade, other times they put on plowing demonstrations or power the sawmill.
There is a bar to wheel over the flywheel fixed to the frame. You set the carb, opened the decomp levers and barred the engine over till it fired. it is actually quite easy.
Are we sure those were just ignition timing issues? I mean, the only times it fired, it fired right back out of the intake. Not sure if you can advance your timing that far and still get any ignition at all. No idea how these engines are built, but that looks more like a valve timing issue to me. Or perhaps, as other people mentioned, they were even cranking it backwards?
Is there a compression release on these old rumeleys? Use her like a pony motor and just release the compression and let her turn for a hot freakin minute. Seems like maybe that was what was done in the end anyways. Beautiful freakin machine.
Thanks so much, yes, it does have a device on the rocker cover that changes the valve events to dampen down the compression allowing easier hand starting, once the engine is op to speed you simply flip it back to the run position for full power.
Rainhill1829 What I meant was release the compression and cut the fuel and just let it turn for a while. Go drink a cup of coffee and let the old beast take on some heat and I bet she fires like a champ. Uncle had an old D6 that had to run compressionless from the pony motor for a hot minute if it was below 50F. Otherwise she would just chug and chuff. Sounded like she was laughing at ya on a cold morning. But the rumely is ancient compared to that old D6 which I considered ancient. Dunno what you can do with her and what you can't.
Hmmm with 30 yrs of observation of old equipment trying to start. Few owners use any type of fuel supplements and or synthetic engine oil. Which BOTH will make a huge benefit in starting and overall performance.
The problem we have with synthetics seems to be the smaller molecule tends to cause the machines to leak from every seal, gland and bearing, also the newer formulas tend to wreak havoc on certain metals that used to be used on engines but aren't anymore, such as bronze and white lead. We stick to old oil and fuel formula's just cause it tends to keep these machines operating within their original parameters.
Rainhill1829 Well the reason seals and gaskets leak is due to age not the synthetic oil. Your issue with synthetic oil damaging old metals is unfound. If you do your research synthetic oil was first invented in the 1930s in Germany. So I am sure that oil was used in engines built before 1930s. But everyone makes their own choice.
Truth be told, I personally run the better stuff in my own equipment and am quite pleased with the results (except ethanol based fuel, screw that stuff). The museum on the other hand buys oil by the barrel because many tractors use total loss systems and most of it ends up on the ground regardless, they have standardized the main viscosities that most machines use to keep things simple. Synthetics are nice but not really worth the cost given our very limited budget.
Rainhill1829 True.. I used to recommend synthetic oil to everyone when I was younger. But synthetic is only beneficial to those whom operate in extreme hot or cold. Those whom want to there vehicle or equipment to last 10,000s hrs or 100,000s miles etc. The fuel reduction is only about 1 to 3%. This is what I have learned over my 25 yrs of research and experience.
Why do they cross over the belt thats going from the farmall tractor. It it just to get the rotation on the old tractor they're trying to start going in the right direction or is there another reason?
To much kero ,olive oil,petrol,sump oil or whatever else it ran on ! Plus you have to talk to them with the occasional back hander with a adjustable spanner !They respect that
1:45 hey it's dangerous! (I'm joking of course). Really impressed by this model! Could you call me the name of the intro music please? Thanks Regards from France!
+Adrien Aubert Wonderful, the name of the song is: Jem's Tune by Big Tuna from the album Revolution Overdrive: Songs of Liberty. Thanks for watching, cheers from Canada.
Hats off to the people who keep this history working.
Thanks so much.
@Trainload Construction Or, in this case, kerosene.
@Trainload Construction it's a oil tractor ✌
Aww look, the grandkid is helping grandpa get up in the morning :D
Haha
Aa good one!
More like great grampa is helping early man up in the morning lol
This is the most hilarious comment 🤩
“Honey I’m going to start the tractor so I can start my tractor”
Yeah, that's kinda right there with Hank Hill using the smaller can of WD-40 to help open the bigger can of WD-40
Funnily enough, many old tractors had smaller engines that were used solely to start the bigger engines. Those were needed as there were no electrics, and if there were electrics they were not capable of rotating the big engine.
And I mean, the tractors literally had two engines installed, one to power the tractor and one dedicated to starting the tractor.
Different tractors for different jobs
In some areas History had it licked, the heavy metal wheels were one.
Loving the reverse action. That is one simple transmission. Pretty cool history there, especially when it won't start. ;-)
Here's hoping it works out occasionally that you get more energy out of it than you put INTO it.
You know you've got a stubborn engine when you have to jumpstart it with another tractor lol
And it still doesn't start. What's the point?
Intake valve is sticking open and ignition timing is way off.The late Mr. Vernon Griffin of Portland Tenn. would prime his with 2 rotations of the flywheel then pull it up to TDC easy by hand. After it crossed past TDC, the impulse magneto would "snap" , one of the cylinders would light and the flywheel would pull out of his hand and the engine start.
@@Clunk49 exactly, these engines should start right up by hand. Almost always less than 4 rotations, if it takes more than that they're doing something very wrong and probably shouldn't touch it. My guess is the timing is wrong, wich can blow the cylinder clean in half.
@@gittyupalice96 Read the Description. It says the Timing is wrong and the tractor had not moved in well over 10 years.
That's one of the best cold starts I've ever seen
Thanks, she put on a good show that day.
I absolutely love old tractors wish I had the money to get some
Spencer Prescott you could find somebody near you with one or some, they will most likely be glad of any good help. They take a lot of looking after. Just put the word out you a willing helper for anybody with one. Big payback in experience, knowledge and good times.
@@andrewwilson8317 look for any local tractor clubs in you area, almost every state in USA and Canada have at least one club, go there and ask questions see what kind of tractor you actually looking for, see what it takes to have one, get to know the tractor guys so that they can help you if needed and finally, look look look all over Craiglist newspapers Facebook and all other selling website, somewhere out there thier is a tractor waiting for you
I love the two smoke puffs rhythm of the engine when it almost starts
Yeah it has a neat beat to it.
I am so going to write a drum line based on the starting noises from this video. Excellent rhythm.
It shows just how angry it is when it blows back through the breather just to try to burn the operator. I have subscribed because I enjoyed watching this video so much. Bob from Australia. As far as I know none of these machines were ever imported into Australia.
More than a few cans of "Start ya Bastard" might work.
And a ten pound Sledge Hammer
@Nobody no it isn't, it's an oil fired internal combustion engine, I e a diesel
@Nobody no it isn't, it's an oil fired internal combustion engine, I e a diesel
@Nobody no it isn't, it's an oil fired internal combustion engine, I e a diesel
@Nobody no worries, if you listen carefully you can hear each combustion chamber exploding
I have hand cranked one of these. When everything is right, you pull that flywheel half a turn and it'll fire !! Awesome tractors.
You got it. Great starters when well tuned.
That's how it should be. My 75 year old Atlas Imperial diesel engine does exactly that, fires on 120psi air pressure. Not sure what these guys are up to? 🤔
Seeing the old machines working is satisfying 😊
I believe the timing is off by 75 years ! love this video👍👍
That thing probably makes enough torque to tear my house in half
These tractors made somewhere in the 740 foot pound range, not bad considering they pretty much ran on lantern fuel.
Impressive
Stoney Browning they did make things to last back in the day.
Not really. Impressive would have been if they'd gotten it running.
@@saludahead Not enough thumbs-up in the world for this comment!
Love all the old tractors you guys have at least I know you are a owner of some good survivors especially the steam engines
That's a huge flywheel!
Now i know why farmers have to get up before dawn. It takes half the morning just to get the damn tractor started and warmed up! Great video. Love seeing old machinery that still runs. Would like to know more detailed information about how the Rumely starts and runs.
They are pretty simple. They used a mixer instead of a carburetor so fuel supply was as simple as opening a needle valve and adjusting it as the engine load demanded it, using the color of the exhaust smoke and engine rhythm to guide you. Starting was simply setting the fuel valve, flipping down the decompression lever, applying some choke and barring the engine over. Ignition impulse and retarding was fully automatic so no worries there. When it fired you simply let it spool up as you adjusted your fuel settings. Under a heavy load a second valve on the mixer supplied water to the fuel mix to prevent detonation. The mixer also had a third valve for kerosene fuel which was used after the engine warmed up to operating temperature, gasoline was used for starting but not running due to it's high value in those days. Engine speed was adjusted with a simple ratcheted governor override lever that acted on the centrifugal flyball speed governor. Enjoy.
That’s how I feel getting up every day
I feel that.
That awesome tractor starts up just like me in the morning! xD
She's got quite a temper.! Don't bug me old buggers! I want to rest.
Especially after sleeping as long as she did.
Young whipersnapper internal combustion tractor
Rainhill1829 that’s one grumpy old beast! I think someone needs another cup of coffee
Hope you get the timing fixed , cant wait to see her go!
Thanks TR, this one put on a show.
That is a very angry stubborn Rumely.
That's about how I feel waking up most days. :P
Imagine being some poor farmhand having to start this on your own!
If I had to deal with that thing I'd leave it running all the time
@@kubotaman3440 All joking aside, when the farmers of that era would stop for lunch, a lot of times they would just leave the tractors idling to keep from having to do another cold start.😉 P.S. They actually start pretty easily on gas when they're cold. Sometimes it's just a matter of rolling them over top dead center with the compression releases open, and as soon as the impulse coupling trips on the mag, they'll fire.😁
Once they are properly tuned up it is actually very easy to start even these massive displacement machines.
Like my square body S10, park it on a hill. A really long hill !
@@bobjones1131 🤣🤣🤣
Nice motorized music. I could dance to that. Sounds like Rock 'n' Roll. LOL
These old tractors are awesome
Oh yeah.
Catchy tune at the beginning, reminds me of the song camouflage.
Have you been out to the Milton Steamshow in Milton, Ontario? I love the old steam tractors - they're so full of personality!
I would love to go someday.
Old tractors are beautiful
Where is this ? Looks like Austin Manitoba ...Threshermans reunion , was at it 2000 , some great old stuff !
Wow, what a hunk of machinery!
Lots of iron.
What a cantankerous animal. Loved this footage - awesome machine.
Thanks so much.
That thing is wonderful
Man, this reminds me of the ideas I like to write down.
Thats one beautiful machine.
Every Rumley I've seen the flywheel turns the opposite direction that they are trying to make this one go.
The best pull start ever lol
Love it
That big ass flywheel!
The Longer it ran the BIGGER my smile became
Good to hear.
Oh man, that Rumely must have been almost seized up with the sound of that M trying to crank it. I have run IH Super M's on lots of machines and yeah its got lots of torque on the pully! And BTW, my brother still has a Super M from 1952 in mint condition, but no, he won't sell it. Ok, this just was an M on the belt, but still, it was a powerhouse when IH introduced it.
The crank on that Rumely is a serious bit of mass to get turning.
An actual spitfire. :)
I was at this place in 2015 with my grandpa!!!!!!!!! I was looking in that same building!
+Demonic Darkness Awesome, thanks for stopping by, hope you enjoyed it.
I liked it a lot! Thank you!
Demonic Darkness
Great
Demonic Darkness 🙄Really? 😎🆒Cool.
This tractor 🚜is used to SMOKE hams & meats 😳👍🥇
As it starts to catch, it sounds remarkably like a Subaru after a long hot drive.
David Lowery Ships about as much oil too.😆
That ole girl didn't want to be bothered that morning! If you have a follow up on her, please advise.
Thanks!
+Eli Whitney No problem, here ya go: th-cam.com/video/aoe8B5P-BOY/w-d-xo.html
+Rainhill1829 Thanks, Sir. So very interesting. Hope all is well.
Eli Whitney Most certainly, cant wait for this season to get rolling.
Can't wait! Amazing!
The will and labor made wonder. It started to smoke because of friction.
It looks to me like you are trying to start it backwards. I thought Rumely flywheels turned clockwise.
Early models with the massive parallel cranked twin cylinder engines ran in the opposite direction, clockwise viewed from the flywheel, these late models were a new design that ran the other way.
I think someone needs to feed their dragon :D
Nice try👍Is it backfiring? Is that why there's smoke by the driver?
so back then you needed a tractor to start the tractor ? how did they start the first one ?
TheGarywilliams my guess is they thought it would be easier to start it off the sheave on the side of the tractor instead on the normal method. I'm assuming the normal method is by hand crank or some type of charge.
Yes since it had not ran in years and needed magneto work they thought it would be easier to do a belt start first to work the bugs out. Normally it is started by a large bar that engages teeth on the backside of the flywheel.
I thought you just turn the flywheel and it's alive
It is NEVER that easy.
Normally they start with a leaver on the flywheel, this method with the belt is sort of the cheater way, and good for stubborn engines that dont wanna start
Wow. How are you supposed to start these machines without a second tractor available?
somewhere in america there is a place where these old things are still in use. that would be great to see.
Yeah.
Just visit your nearest antique power show; there's usually a Rumely or two there, as well as a a few Hart Parrs, Averys, IHCs, and Waterloo Boys. Sometimes they just chug around in the tractor parade, other times they put on plowing demonstrations or power the sawmill.
Karl said "it ain't got no gas in it!"
Intake valves need some attention or your timing for detonation is 190
degrees too early.
You nailed it, turns out the magneto was hooked up 180 degrees out of phase, simple fix and it worked.
did you make a video of it running?
never mind found it
HeavyChevy2! Yeah, It's blasting exaust out of the intake.
That's exactly right!
An excellent video. ♡ T.E.N.
I see those 1940+ Farmall's all the time, but I've never seen a Rumely or a 1920's tractor.....
Oh yeah, we got stuff as far back as the 1890’s.
I was going to say, the timing sounds WAY off. Like my Oliver when it was 180 degrees out haha.
Those damn monday mornings...
So how was it started originally? The Farmall is over 20 years newer.
There is a bar to wheel over the flywheel fixed to the frame. You set the carb, opened the decomp levers and barred the engine over till it fired. it is actually quite easy.
I think that you are trying to start it backwards. The flywheel should turn clockwise......
It was lost in time and is no longer known, who started the first tractor
My best guess would be either a windmill or that first tractor is able to start on its own
Love the startup
When flames come out of the exhaust it's called a backfire. At 3:00 flames come out of the air intake, is that called a frontfire?
Nice rhythm
At 1:45 I would have greased my shorts ... I think maybe he did too !! LOL !!
imagine trying to start one of these back in the day
They actually start really easy when properly tuned and in use regularly.
Cor she's grumpy haha 👍👍
So that's where rappers get there beats! 🤔😹
She makes a fantastic metronome.
Ha
At 3:47 she sounded like she was getting ready to jam with some cool beats.
It's amazing how many of these slow running engines tend to make musical tunes as they operate.
Yes. Nothing sounds like an old engine with big pistons and a huge stroke. That's music.
Trevor: OHHHHHH..... STOP THAT STOP THAT!
Those North Koreans sure make a mean supercar.
Who you trying to kid, thats a Hoyt-Clagwell.
Are we sure those were just ignition timing issues? I mean, the only times it fired, it fired right back out of the intake. Not sure if you can advance your timing that far and still get any ignition at all.
No idea how these engines are built, but that looks more like a valve timing issue to me. Or perhaps, as other people mentioned, they were even cranking it backwards?
We were rotating it correctly, the problem was eventually traced to the magneto coupling being bolted together in the wrong phase.
@@Rainhill1829 oh, that makes sense! Thanks for replying :)
I like the Starcraft music in the beginning.
Good ear, your the first to catch the tune.
Is there a compression release on these old rumeleys? Use her like a pony motor and just release the compression and let her turn for a hot freakin minute. Seems like maybe that was what was done in the end anyways. Beautiful freakin machine.
Thanks so much, yes, it does have a device on the rocker cover that changes the valve events to dampen down the compression allowing easier hand starting, once the engine is op to speed you simply flip it back to the run position for full power.
Rainhill1829 What I meant was release the compression and cut the fuel and just let it turn for a while. Go drink a cup of coffee and let the old beast take on some heat and I bet she fires like a champ. Uncle had an old D6 that had to run compressionless from the pony motor for a hot minute if it was below 50F. Otherwise she would just chug and chuff. Sounded like she was laughing at ya on a cold morning.
But the rumely is ancient compared to that old D6 which I considered ancient. Dunno what you can do with her and what you can't.
Is the valve timing out? Maybe the valves themselves are faulty...
You would never get anything done with that old smoke belcher 😂
I'm sure I've seen a machine like this in a road runner cartoon.
If I was that old I would be mad at someone waking me up too😡 In fact I would probably blowup
That's just what happens when you mess around putting big cams and intakes with lots of advance in an engine... they get real ornery and mean.
Yup.
It's cold rainhill,what makes you think 100 year old machinery is angry?
That things gotta good beat.
Hmmm with 30 yrs of observation of old equipment trying to start. Few owners use any type of fuel supplements and or synthetic engine oil. Which BOTH will make a huge benefit in starting and overall performance.
The problem we have with synthetics seems to be the smaller molecule tends to cause the machines to leak from every seal, gland and bearing, also the newer formulas tend to wreak havoc on certain metals that used to be used on engines but aren't anymore, such as bronze and white lead. We stick to old oil and fuel formula's just cause it tends to keep these machines operating within their original parameters.
Rainhill1829 Well the reason seals and gaskets leak is due to age not the synthetic oil. Your issue with synthetic oil damaging old metals is unfound. If you do your research synthetic oil was first invented in the 1930s in Germany. So I am sure that oil was used in engines built before 1930s. But everyone makes their own choice.
Truth be told, I personally run the better stuff in my own equipment and am quite pleased with the results (except ethanol based fuel, screw that stuff). The museum on the other hand buys oil by the barrel because many tractors use total loss systems and most of it ends up on the ground regardless, they have standardized the main viscosities that most machines use to keep things simple. Synthetics are nice but not really worth the cost given our very limited budget.
Rainhill1829 True.. I used to recommend synthetic oil to everyone when I was younger. But synthetic is only beneficial to those whom operate in extreme hot or cold. Those whom want to there vehicle or equipment to last 10,000s hrs or 100,000s miles etc. The fuel reduction is only about 1 to 3%. This is what I have learned over my 25 yrs of research and experience.
It is fantastic stuff, especially the improvements greases have made over the years, it's really helped us out keeping this old stuff alive.
This is like Hank Hill using the small wd40 to open the big wd40
Amagine 6 minutes of starting up your car. And only 2 minutes to go to work
My dad in Mexico has 2 and he uses them daily.
Super cool.
Are the turning it over backwards? after seeing other vids of Rumely it looks like that flywheel is turning in the wrong direction.
The early Rumely designs ran counter clockwise but these late models ran the other way.
A very very rhtmic machine. Sounds like a orchestra
Why do they cross over the belt thats going from the farmall tractor. It it just to get the rotation on the old tractor they're trying to start going in the right direction or is there another reason?
You nailed it
Thumbs Up Liked for you.
Very nice.
@@Rainhill1829 You are welcome also.
Nice old iron I think my Dad has 3 off them I think he said they are one off the first plow tractor.
How do you start it if you don't have another tractor?
Secular Sunshine Good question, there is a large crank permanently mounted behind the flywheel for barring the engine over manually.
What you don't see is the farmall falling over randomly once the video ends right? 😂
LOL, yes.
To much kero ,olive oil,petrol,sump oil or whatever else it ran on ! Plus you have to talk to them with the occasional back hander with a adjustable spanner !They respect that
Rumely: I have been sitting here for near decade and I ain't moving
Mechanical equivalent of CPR.?
Good parallel.
Looks to me the timing is not playing fair. Cheers
You nailed it, the magneto drive was hooked up wrong.
why shut the poney off if you havent got the main runing yet?...
1:45 hey it's dangerous! (I'm joking of course).
Really impressed by this model!
Could you call me the name of the intro music please?
Thanks
Regards from France!
+Adrien Aubert Wonderful, the name of the song is: Jem's Tune by Big Tuna from the album Revolution Overdrive: Songs of Liberty. Thanks for watching, cheers from Canada.
Thank you so much!
You have really good videos, really amazing old these old machines!
Regards from France, and soon from Quebec!