I ve taught in the US and in China. Hands down Chinese students are smart and very diligent. China is full of Phd students that speak 3 or four languages and work 60 hours a week until the job is done..... The US is full of investors chasing a big return.
What are the actual stats because there a plenty of average Asian students but everyone focuses on the smart ones. Their culture is more strict about education but they aren’t naturally smarter or better. They were programmed to be hard workers.
China has very little diversity. They are supremacist in every meaning of the word. We have diluted standards and expectations now due to lazy people needing to feel accomplished
So you use 1 trillion dollars to develop AI and the Chinese do the same using 6 million dollars then somehow you try and convince yourself that you have more talent than China?This thing of American exceptionalism is now just a fairy tale.
The ramification is not in the stock market. The ramification is on the military front. An AEW&C with AI can predict the enemy's next move, and take preemptive strike accordingly. The days were over when the carriers had to circle the Pacific Ocean looking for the enemy's fleet.
Yeah right. Its more likely they will tax air. They tested the chinese AI tool and it sucks compared to OpenAI. It cant make good programming language ie
This is why trump wan to throw out useless india H1B holder, but why he didn't include not chinese H1B Trump know chinese are smart. For example; top America high-technology chip design company such us Xillin, AMD, Broadcom, Nvidia etc they all have chinese CEO and most of their engineer are chinese American. Most of American high programer are chinese american too Even 98% of america military chip is made by taiwain TSMC 😭 Search the names of AI researchers in the United States, i sure most of them are Chinese name.The AI race is actually a battle between American Chinese and mainland Chinese. Prophet Napoleon is not lier, the sleeping giant is wake Whoever can rule over AI will rule over the world 👍
@@manonamission2000 Yes while 70% of the H1-B Visa holders in the USA are Indian Nationals And 10% to 12% are Chinese Nationals Most people don’t know there is now “27” books out there on what the Chinese invented first that says the world copied from China the first of those books was published in the 1950s Yet our western Governments, Educational Institutions, Mainstream Media told us the Chinese copy, steal and can’t innovate These days China currently leads the “world” in 57 of 64 critical technologies of the future Where the Chinese don’t hold a clear lead? In the remaining 7 other technologies???? It’s usually the USA that holds the lead or co-lead with China Like that AI for example… But then you have this 👇 In One Key A.I. Metric, China Pulls Ahead of the U.S.: Talent Paul Mozur reported from Taipei, Taiwan, and Cade Metz from San Francisco. March 22, 2024 Researchers originally from China now make up 38 percent of the top A.I. researchers working in the United States, with Americans making up 37 percent, according to the research. NYT 👇 And you have this below, and. Wonder why you are falling behind 👇 How America lost the heart of China’s top talent November 16, 2023 * There is a perception that Chinese talented youth are itching to flock to American shores, so much so that legislatures have attempted to curtail their entry. However, the reality is quite the opposite: Just this year, India has eclipsed China in sending the most international students to the United States. This is the first time China has lost that distinction since 2008. * Although Chinese students’ enrollment in the United States has rebounded this year, this growth may not reflect the choices of China’s top talent. Many may be coming to avoid China’s ultra-competitive college entrance exam. The critical question is: For those who can get into China’s top colleges, do they still prefer to study in the United States? * Brain drain? Not necessarily Quality, not quantity, is paramount. I argue that the United States has increasingly lost the heart of China’s best and brightest, those who, given the chance, prefer to stay within China’s own top institutions. This complicates the prevailing impression that China has suffered from brain drain as its top talent cannot wait to leave China. A recent report from Tsinghua University, China’s leading institution, reveals the trend for China’s top talent: Over the past few years, the number of Tsinghua graduates who chose to study in the United States plummeted - from 11% in 2018 to a mere 3% in 2021. Many attribute this decline to the pandemic; however, the proportion of Tsinghua graduates studying in the United Kingdom has not declined at all, and the number of those choosing to study in Singapore has even risen. In the most recent report issued in 2022 - the year when China ended the “zero-COVID” policy, only 7% of the entire graduating class, including both undergraduates and graduates, chose to study abroad. The share of those going to the United States is unreported. * My recent trip to China in summer of this year has affirmed the sentiment that today, American higher education has diminished appeal for China’s best and brightest. During my conversations with Tsinghua University faculty and students regarding whether they would consider studying in the United States, they expressed fear and anxiety about what they perceive as “a hostile America” toward China - specifically, the U.S. policies targeting Chinese talent and the broader anti-China rhetoric. Instead, they’d rather compete to get into the graduate program at Tsinghua or other top Chinese institutions. A hostile climate for Chinese in the United States This sentiment marks a significant change from the late 1980s and 1990s. For example, when Shi Yigong, the former vice president of Tsinghua University, graduated in 1989, more than 70% of his graduating class at Tsinghua chose to study in the United States. A similarly drastic drop in interest in studying in the United States is reported in other top universities in China such as Peking University. Brookings
It's actually been 1 week , but I digress . It's not the white whale or any white whale , it's more like white elephant, and Forbes is right work harder , smarter and no regulatory speed bumps.
How come I thought that Steve Forbes was going to say lower tax rates will solve his/their problems - for the rich. Steve Forbes's net worth is estimated at $430 million
Steve Forbes is not an economist but is a conservative ideologue. Republicans and conservatives have been claiming at least for the last four decades since I have been in the country that tax cuts generate growth and pay for itself. However, every time income tax and corporate tax have been cuts, the national debt and deficit have gone up. Unfortunately, we have many Americans who blindly believe that tax cuts pays for itself and republicans are fiscally responsible!
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China has moved on with AI. China have been investing heavily in AI for years. China AI microchips are better, cheaper and more reliable than any similar USA product! The “”peer reviewed academy papers assessing the China product make it very clear…. It is an outstanding reliable revolutionary AI product! The whole world will benefit! China product cost $6 million to develop! American corporations & govt are saying $60-80BILLION to develop the same technology!!!!
As said by a Microsoft trainer it's not Artificial Intelligence, which is just a marketing name. It is Augmented Innovation. Everything is still created by human beings. Computers do nothing that they haven't been told or programmed by humans. All "AI" is working with data that has been assembled using human ingenuity and coding. Forget artificial intelligence. It's just marketing.
Have you watched the Chinese New Year Gala on CGTN channel, where 10 unitree robots danced gracefully on stage, throwing handkerchiefs and catching them back? Imagine if the handkerchief was replaced with a grenade.
@jewelv initially, more over several years up to 500. Probably not after this. People will question if all these billions invested by larger American companies has either just been wasteful spending or just hyping up AI too much for too little return.
Oh no the thing people have been spending years warning would happen has finally happened. Woe. Doom. Despair. Seriously why are we losing our minds over this? They got better at AI. Good for them. We are not out of the race, we’re just in a _fair_ race now and we need to throw off the voluntary chains we’ve been wearing for far too long and do what we’ve always done best: innovate at speeds only America can achieve. Let’s stop the pedantic hand-wringing and get to work already. Cut the red tape. It’s game time.
"Speeds only Americans can achieve" Hahahahahahah. That aged well, you lot are still crawling while the Chinese are on rockets. "Speeds only Americans can achiev" Yah! Right!
Same if not similar hardware but different software. Sounds like this time the Chinese human factor is just better. Maybe America just needs to accept the fact and try harder for next round.
China’s future AI development is still extremely challenging given their inability to access top tier chips. They are squeezing a lot of power out of tier 2 NVIDIA chips. Their algorithm can be replicated, but the technology can’t (no single country can produce top tier chips, it is a global effort concentrated in U.S and U.S allied countries). So yes, rethinking capital requirements for AI development is necessary in light of deepseek’s advancement, but big picture and long term this is more of a political challenge than anything else. Closing off loopholes and ensuring China is completely cut off from U.S tech is key.
I think you are missing the whole point here, the key is how efficient you are using your capital ? yeah big tech has a lot of fundings, but how long would that last if you spend 50 million while they spend 1 ? in terms of chips, if they could come up with better algos, how long do you think that chip advantage will last ? And it's nothing political here, to quote the first user's response, it is time for America to " work harder , smarter and no regulatory speed bumps. "
@@johnf2926 It’s also how efficient the algos are and DeepSeek used tier 2 chips and leapt over inference hurdles that US companies walked away from. And they released it as open source indicating that China considers this as a technology for all of humanity not to be monopolized which leads to inefficiencies that would slow the pace of development.
@@sammavitae114OpenAI started out as an open sourced tool and now they’re private. You really think the Chinese will keep their best model open sourced forever? They attracted consumers and it’s only a matter of time before they lock the door. Consumers are stupid 😂
Why would you believe anything from a Chinese source ? Then again this is a timely stop and check because the overvaluation of tech and AI is insane. It’s Google voice all over again …
@@gregorymilla9213 That salt is delicious I feel you mean how incompetent Biden was! Cant blame a man that has been in office for 9 days when Biden was in office for the last 4 years and did nothing !!!
No. Like ALL High Tech (especially Computer Oriented) this just means these other companies need to shift gears and rework their thought processes. They were going along kind of oblivious on their own paths and just got their tails stepped on. WHATEVER one tech company can do … they ALL can do … now tgat they’ve been shown the way.
Jobs. AI is predicted to wipe out millions and millions of jobs. First ones will be accountant, doctors and lawyers - basically anything you use your brain to do. Safest jobs right now are in the trades.
@@bretthines6893 Sorry AI will not take out Doctors or Lawyers. Accountants I can maybe see. AI maybe in the far future can take over for doctors but we are not there yet.
@@AChillin01R Respectfully I disagree. I would almost trust an AI right now more than a Radiologist. AI will be able to see many many many more shades of gray than human eyes can discern. given the opportunity to learn from and reference millions of other images, AI will be vastly superior. Maybe lawyers will have a little advantage on their ability to be creative in making different arguments, but most activities really do not require it. AI is so much more advanced already than what we see in Chat GPT they are only releasing it in drips so that people dont freak out. I think it can handle most law applications (80%) already. 4 MM people are using legal zoom already, those services would have probably gone to a small firm... AI will effect and affect more people than we realize...
@ I agree. I have seen saying it for years. AI will effect us more than people realize and I do not think we are ready for that. MILLIONS WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
They wrote a better algorithm. Your small mindedness won’t change what’s coming. It’s the reason we aren’t as competitive as we think in the first place.
Firstly, I am EXTREMELY skeptical. I lived in China for 10 years. There is nothing advanced about the place. Further, an LLM is very surface level in terms of AI. The significant AI is for hardware optimizations, development, predictive optimizations, environmental understanding and reasoning, drug/health discovery, and the like. Things like ChatGPT and Deep Seek are helpful for daily things, but hardly revolutionary technologies.
Huge overreaction (what's new). In 6 months, the American majors will adapt to the paradigm shift and be dominating again. The big fish eat the small fish in the end.
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of course you would see a different picture with small/mid caps with the gross mismanagement from Biden/FED policy. the narrative has not changed. efficiency driven by software is a net plus.
How did this sneak up on American technology business? Have we been distracted by Putin and Trump? What’s the real good reason that you had no idea this was even possible?
Cause Trump worries more about WAR and Tariffs then the actually cyber power of CHINA. I mean he kept TIK TOK open. That right is their AI taking information left and right.
We do not need Ai. Tis is just an item that is to accentuate what you have already. It will not make things bigger, better, cheaper, faster. That was the promise way back when computers were being flashed before business' eyes. Look at the nightmare behemoth that has become. Are we better off?
WoW, the last speaker still ask for more money and less regulation, how funny is that when American is leading or when Chinese is catching up he get the same conclusion? after they said everything about China🤣
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There is no alternative to NVDA right now (to a small degree AMD). This guy should know what Nvidia does and powers considering he's been involved with NVDA for a while. DeepSeek still requires NVDA. It's just saying that it can do just as well as American AI like ChatGPT, Llama, etc., but requires less NVDA GPUs because they are more efficient. Watch CNBC's interview with Alexandr Wang from 4 days ago. Also Wang writes on X that China is lying about their efficiencyand Elon agrees.
Only in Tieu one cities like Shenzhen and Guangzhou. Tier 2 like Chengdu is advanced too. However Shanghai and Beijing is filled with pollution. People don’t want to live in those places long term and those cities are not high-end as Shenzhen
@@Mittens322 no in terms of trains and train stations that are advanced. Luxury spas and hospitality it’s more advanced. Driverless cars and buses too . Plus good food and cheap prices. Most importantly no need to tip.
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I ve taught in the US and in China. Hands down Chinese students are smart and very diligent. China is full of Phd students that speak 3 or four languages and work 60 hours a week until the job is done.....
The US is full of investors chasing a big return.
What are the actual stats because there a plenty of average Asian students but everyone focuses on the smart ones.
Their culture is more strict about education but they aren’t naturally smarter or better. They were programmed to be hard workers.
What a lie. I’ve worked with Chinese people and they’re no different than anyone else.
Then stop using American technology and go use a Chinese app instead. Go crawl back to your masters 😂
China has very little diversity. They are supremacist in every meaning of the word. We have diluted standards and expectations now due to lazy people needing to feel accomplished
If that's true, then why does China steal everything and make it worse?
Where is Gordon Chang to save Fox Business news😂
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Adding a chapter to Coming Collapse of China
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So you use 1 trillion dollars to develop AI and the Chinese do the same using 6 million dollars then somehow you try and convince yourself that you have more talent than China?This thing of American exceptionalism is now just a fairy tale.
Spot ON
"American Exceptionalism" was always a fairy tale
this AI arm race is a scam
Don;t use it if it is scam - in may case it works - instead working 8h I work 2 h - and have a lot of fun:)
The ramification is not in the stock market.
The ramification is on the military front.
An AEW&C with AI can predict the enemy's next move, and take preemptive strike accordingly.
The days were over when the carriers had to circle the Pacific Ocean looking for the enemy's fleet.
Bingo
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thanks to China our gaming laptops costs will come down😁
Yeah right. Its more likely they will tax air. They tested the chinese AI tool and it sucks compared to OpenAI. It cant make good programming language ie
@@Bigboss-xe6lm guess these guests r just farting then.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
U.S. engineers are from India and China. H1B Visa program at its finest. Billionaires have to save money too.
Not a single H1B in China... food for thought.
This is why trump wan to throw out useless india H1B holder, but why he didn't include not chinese H1B
Trump know chinese are smart. For example; top America high-technology chip design company such us Xillin, AMD, Broadcom, Nvidia etc they all have chinese CEO and most of their engineer are chinese American.
Most of American high programer are chinese american too
Even 98% of america military chip is made by taiwain TSMC 😭
Search the names of AI researchers in the United States, i sure most of them are Chinese name.The AI race is actually a battle between American Chinese and mainland Chinese.
Prophet Napoleon is not lier, the sleeping giant is wake Whoever can rule over AI will rule over the world 👍
LOL india, the biggest bully alongside with CiA bits with fake graduate certificates
@@manonamission2000 u must be a genius!🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@manonamission2000
Yes while 70% of the H1-B Visa holders in the USA are Indian Nationals
And 10% to 12% are Chinese Nationals
Most people don’t know there is now “27” books out there on what the Chinese invented first that says the world copied from China the first of those books was published in the 1950s
Yet our western Governments, Educational Institutions, Mainstream Media told us the Chinese
copy, steal and can’t innovate
These days China currently leads the “world” in 57 of 64 critical technologies of the future
Where the Chinese don’t hold a clear lead? In the remaining 7 other technologies????
It’s usually the USA that holds the lead or co-lead with China
Like that AI for example…
But then you have this
👇
In One Key A.I. Metric, China Pulls Ahead of the U.S.: Talent
Paul Mozur reported from Taipei, Taiwan, and Cade Metz from San Francisco.
March 22, 2024
Researchers originally from China now make up 38 percent of the top A.I. researchers working in the United States, with Americans making up 37 percent, according to the research.
NYT
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And you have this below, and. Wonder why you are falling behind
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How America lost the heart of China’s top talent
November 16, 2023
* There is a perception that Chinese talented youth are itching to flock to American shores, so much so that legislatures have attempted to curtail their entry.
However, the reality is quite the opposite: Just this year, India has eclipsed China in sending the most international students to the United States. This is the first time China has lost that distinction since 2008.
* Although Chinese students’ enrollment in the United States has rebounded this year, this growth may not reflect the choices of China’s top talent.
Many may be coming to avoid China’s ultra-competitive college entrance exam.
The critical question is:
For those who can get into China’s top colleges, do they still prefer to study in the United States?
* Brain drain? Not necessarily
Quality, not quantity, is paramount. I argue that the United States has increasingly lost the heart of China’s best and brightest, those who, given the chance, prefer to stay within China’s own top institutions.
This complicates the prevailing impression that China has suffered from brain drain as its top talent cannot wait to leave China.
A recent report from Tsinghua University, China’s leading institution, reveals the trend for China’s top talent: Over the past few years, the number of Tsinghua graduates who chose to study in the United States plummeted - from 11% in 2018 to a mere 3% in 2021.
Many attribute this decline to the pandemic; however, the proportion of Tsinghua graduates studying in the United Kingdom has not declined at all, and the number of those choosing to study in Singapore has even risen.
In the most recent report issued in 2022 - the year when China ended the “zero-COVID” policy, only 7% of the entire graduating class, including both undergraduates and graduates, chose to study abroad. The share of those going to the United States is unreported.
* My recent trip to China in summer of this year has affirmed the sentiment that today, American higher education has diminished appeal for China’s best and brightest. During my conversations with Tsinghua University faculty and students regarding whether they would consider studying in the United States, they expressed fear and anxiety about what they perceive as “a hostile America” toward China - specifically, the U.S. policies targeting Chinese talent and the broader anti-China rhetoric. Instead, they’d rather compete to get into the graduate program at Tsinghua or other top Chinese institutions.
A hostile climate for Chinese in the United States
This sentiment marks a significant change from the late 1980s and 1990s. For example, when Shi Yigong, the former vice president of Tsinghua University, graduated in 1989, more than 70% of his graduating class at Tsinghua chose to study in the United States. A similarly drastic drop in interest in studying in the United States is reported in other top universities in China such as Peking University.
Brookings
14trilions spent and then come somebody and give model for free and cost slashed for 90%.
It's actually been 1 week , but I digress . It's not the white whale or any white whale , it's more like white elephant, and Forbes is right work harder , smarter and no regulatory speed bumps.
Where is Gordon Chang
He is depressed by the news
Stopping taxing Americans. IRS was to be temporary, but Lincoln and Wilson burdened Americans. Implement a consumption tax no more taxing income.
Again if you have nothing to day don't say it at all. Completely irrelevant
Good luck getting to work every day - if you even work! They don’t pay tax in poor African countries, I suppose you could always walk in the dust!
How come I thought that Steve Forbes was going to say lower tax rates will solve his/their problems - for the rich. Steve Forbes's net worth is estimated at $430 million
$430 million doesn't even get you into the inner circle anymore. Been a long time since the Forbes family made their money trading opium and tea.
Steve Forbes is not an economist but is a conservative ideologue. Republicans and conservatives have been claiming at least for the last four decades since I have been in the country that tax cuts generate growth and pay for itself. However, every time income tax and corporate tax have been cuts, the national debt and deficit have gone up. Unfortunately, we have many Americans who blindly believe that tax cuts pays for itself and republicans are fiscally responsible!
All these issues stem from an economy grappling with uncertainties, including housing problems, foreclosures, global fluctuations, and the aftermath of the pandemic, leading to instability. Rising inflation, sluggish growth, and trade disruptions demand urgent attention from all sectors to restore stability and stimulate growth.
With the US dollar losing value to inflation and other currencies gaining traction, uncertainty looms. Yet, many still trust in the Dollar's perceived safety. Worried about my $420,000 retirement savings losing value, I seek alternative security for my money
With my demanding job, I lack time for investment analysis. For seven years, a fiduciary has managed my portfolio, adapting to market conditions, enabling successful navigation and informed decisions.
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How is it that no smart person at investment firms saw this coming from this Chinese company??
The AI should have predicted!
Because unlike the US, China never brags about what they are planning and working on, but launches after they have succeeded.
They knew they out of greed they kept the stock as high as they could
Nope nope. We r just keeping trillions & trillions right here. Our household income should triple.
The US should INVEST in STEM programs and degrees...not charge students exorbitent prices for them. We need people with those skills.
You have to love it that the first thought out of his mouth wasn't innovation but cut our taxes
China has moved on with AI. China have been investing heavily in AI for years. China AI microchips are better, cheaper and more reliable than any similar USA product! The “”peer reviewed academy papers assessing the China product make it very clear…. It is an outstanding reliable revolutionary AI product! The whole world will benefit! China product cost $6 million to develop! American corporations & govt are saying $60-80BILLION to develop the same technology!!!!
Where is Gordon Chan at? 😂
Tulips!!! Teacher asked alfalfa 'could you put it in a sentence' alfalfa: Darla has two lips!
At the end of this horserace ...hope we're not the ones tearin up our tickets.
As said by a Microsoft trainer it's not Artificial Intelligence, which is just a marketing name. It is Augmented Innovation. Everything is still created by human beings. Computers do nothing that they haven't been told or programmed by humans. All "AI" is working with data that has been assembled using human ingenuity and coding. Forget artificial intelligence. It's just marketing.
It's just machine learning. AI is a little more serious and difficult to do
@@HH-le1viyeah, it's basically reinforcement learning.
The AI that was released by this little Chinese company is nothing compared to what the Chinese military must have by now.
Have you watched the Chinese New Year Gala on CGTN channel, where 10 unitree robots danced gracefully on stage, throwing handkerchiefs and catching them back?
Imagine if the handkerchief was replaced with a grenade.
If not AI, the money would have gone elsewhere.
We do not have the grid or the electric.
Drill baby drill
Billionaires are crying their eyes out and I'm loving every minute of it. 😂
U dummy. Whoever gets to dominate in AI, RULES THE WORLD
The stock bubble has popped just like tulip in Holland
Comparison is important. Don’t believe your competitors say.
XAI051v is going to moon, mark my words.
No more Trump 500 billion investment.
he will invest 1000 billion
@jewelv initially, more over several years up to 500. Probably not after this. People will question if all these billions invested by larger American companies has either just been wasteful spending or just hyping up AI too much for too little return.
Oh no the thing people have been spending years warning would happen has finally happened. Woe. Doom. Despair.
Seriously why are we losing our minds over this? They got better at AI. Good for them. We are not out of the race, we’re just in a _fair_ race now and we need to throw off the voluntary chains we’ve been wearing for far too long and do what we’ve always done best: innovate at speeds only America can achieve. Let’s stop the pedantic hand-wringing and get to work already. Cut the red tape. It’s game time.
What exactlly America inovate? Nothing. Everything was discover elsewhere and only invested in US in last 150 years.
"Speeds only Americans can achieve" Hahahahahahah. That aged well, you lot are still crawling while the Chinese are on rockets. "Speeds only Americans can achiev" Yah! Right!
American Supremacy in AI..😁
Same if not similar hardware but different software. Sounds like this time the Chinese human factor is just better. Maybe America just needs to accept the fact and try harder for next round.
China has limitations in hardware (due to US restrictions), so they have to be creative in software.
Bloomberg is such an intellectual dolt. Nauseating in every way.
China’s future AI development is still extremely challenging given their inability to access top tier chips. They are squeezing a lot of power out of tier 2 NVIDIA chips. Their algorithm can be replicated, but the technology can’t (no single country can produce top tier chips, it is a global effort concentrated in U.S and U.S allied countries).
So yes, rethinking capital requirements for AI development is necessary in light of deepseek’s advancement, but big picture and long term this is more of a political challenge than anything else. Closing off loopholes and ensuring China is completely cut off from U.S tech is key.
I think you are missing the whole point here, the key is how efficient you are using your capital ? yeah big tech has a lot of fundings, but how long would that last if you spend 50 million while they spend 1 ? in terms of chips, if they could come up with better algos, how long do you think that chip advantage will last ? And it's nothing political here, to quote the first user's response, it is time for America to " work harder , smarter and no regulatory speed bumps. "
@@johnf2926 It’s also how efficient the algos are and DeepSeek used tier 2 chips and leapt over inference hurdles that US companies walked away from. And they released it as open source indicating that China considers this as a technology for all of humanity not to be monopolized which leads to inefficiencies that would slow the pace of development.
@@sammavitae114OpenAI started out as an open sourced tool and now they’re private. You really think the Chinese will keep their best model open sourced forever? They attracted consumers and it’s only a matter of time before they lock the door.
Consumers are stupid 😂
@@jalanmelvin8724 Chinese will keep their best model open source forever . You don;t understand Chinese culture at all .
No need to reduce the capital gains tax. LOL
Exactly that is not gonna do nothing. There they go more tax for the rich lol
Why would you believe anything from a Chinese source ?
Then again this is a timely stop and check because the overvaluation of tech and AI is insane. It’s Google voice all over again …
Eric Schmidt is not the founder of Google
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India's AI will be even better and cheaper!
why indian alway claim to be better but has nothing to show...
prove me wrong release a better ai...or stfu
DeepSeek’s Open source hurts all, it bursted all AI bubbles.
BS. Ait good enough to beat OpenAI. Its been tested. Chinese just want to destabilize the west. Like always
its amazing how this is come out just days after trump approves for US AI... not intentional at all..........................
Just shows how incompetent Trump is
@@gregorymilla9213 That salt is delicious I feel you mean how incompetent Biden was! Cant blame a man that has been in office for 9 days when Biden was in office for the last 4 years and did nothing !!!
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First mover vs second mover advantage 😅
The San-te’s manipulated the market.
Deep fake? Scam?
The AI hadn't planned that🤔
No. Like ALL High Tech (especially Computer Oriented) this just means these other companies need to shift gears and rework their thought processes.
They were going along kind of oblivious on their own paths and just got their tails stepped on.
WHATEVER one tech company can do … they ALL can do … now tgat they’ve been shown the way.
Don’t be panic, although shocked.
OpenAI doesn’t have a business case.
this is open source, meaning OpenAI is done. so ironic considering its what they were supposed to do from the beginning.
How does any of this matter to us normal Americans?
Jobs. AI is predicted to wipe out millions and millions of jobs. First ones will be accountant, doctors and lawyers - basically anything you use your brain to do. Safest jobs right now are in the trades.
@@bretthines6893 Sorry AI will not take out Doctors or Lawyers. Accountants I can maybe see. AI maybe in the far future can take over for doctors but we are not there yet.
@@AChillin01R Respectfully I disagree. I would almost trust an AI right now more than a Radiologist. AI will be able to see many many many more shades of gray than human eyes can discern. given the opportunity to learn from and reference millions of other images, AI will be vastly superior. Maybe lawyers will have a little advantage on their ability to be creative in making different arguments, but most activities really do not require it. AI is so much more advanced already than what we see in Chat GPT they are only releasing it in drips so that people dont freak out. I think it can handle most law applications (80%) already. 4 MM people are using legal zoom already, those services would have probably gone to a small firm... AI will effect and affect more people than we realize...
@ I agree. I have seen saying it for years. AI will effect us more than people realize and I do not think we are ready for that. MILLIONS WILL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
It matters because it makes the stock market over valued by 2 trillion dollars
Buy Canadian it’s the only hope to keep prices down domestically
Right. A Chinese company all of a sudden can beat Nivida. Yeah, right. Smoke and mirrors. Who built the chips the DeepSeek?
Beat Nvidia? IT RUNS OFF NVIDIA HARDWARE.....Nvidia bullish longterm
I loled
@@thatguy5801 nope, its forward project for huawei ascend series chip
They wrote a better algorithm. Your small mindedness won’t change what’s coming. It’s the reason we aren’t as competitive as we think in the first place.
You do realize even our engineers in America are from China right??
Openai has got a dei Chinese spy
dear mr Forbes, and what do you think the Capital Gain Tax or its equivalent is in China? pretty sure it's far far higher than here
So what! It's a joke
Wait until crypto crashes. It's tulips
My 3 year old knows more about AI and how it works than all 3 of them put together.
is because orange Jesus touched
Ban deepseek😂national security or unfair competition between hard workers in China and greedy bosses in USA
Firstly, I am EXTREMELY skeptical. I lived in China for 10 years. There is nothing advanced about the place. Further, an LLM is very surface level in terms of AI. The significant AI is for hardware optimizations, development, predictive optimizations, environmental understanding and reasoning, drug/health discovery, and the like. Things like ChatGPT and Deep Seek are helpful for daily things, but hardly revolutionary technologies.
Many American losers come to China to teach English to kindergarten children. 10 years is indeed a long time.
How many highly-skilled H1-B visas are used by China??
Huge overreaction (what's new). In 6 months, the American majors will adapt to the paradigm shift and be dominating again. The big fish eat the small fish in the end.
It didn't happen in the ev industry. So the only solution is a 100% tariff.
you think china will not improve it even further?
@@jetli740 they'll try but they just aren't as good. It's a dying country. They can't even make decent semiconductors.
Dollar is paper money so no loss
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of course you would see a different picture with small/mid caps with the gross mismanagement from Biden/FED policy. the narrative has not changed. efficiency driven by software is a net plus.
click bait
no transparency China. Can you even know what's going on.
it's over, China won.
source code included what more u need
US: Sanction Deepseek😂
How did this sneak up on American technology business? Have we been distracted by Putin and Trump? What’s the real good reason that you had no idea this was even possible?
Americans are simply at the end of the country's existence. Like the dinosaur, they are not realizing that yet.
Cause Trump worries more about WAR and Tariffs then the actually cyber power of CHINA. I mean he kept TIK TOK open. That right is their AI taking information left and right.
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That is money being lost @ Trump
Manhattan project of AI.
Wait and see the real truth
Nice a Censored AI ,
Deepseek in China is a scam😂
Shaking Silicon Valley and Wall Street ..a scam Made in China 😁
How can you not catch up with america😂😂?
What’s wrong with being 2nd…come on…bunch of babies.
We do not need Ai. Tis is just an item that is to accentuate what you have already. It will not make things bigger, better, cheaper, faster. That was the promise way back when computers were being flashed before business' eyes. Look at the nightmare behemoth that has become. Are we better off?
No. I hate AI.
We are way better off with computers. Acting like they haven't been key in making things more efficient is just ignorance.
How much money do you lose today if you’re AI stock holders?
its the open market that you worship guys... suck it up
How long will China's last
Very long especially when then get their system reformed.
5 thousand years and counting.
WoW, the last speaker still ask for more money and less regulation, how funny is that when American is leading or when Chinese is catching up he get the same conclusion? after they said everything about China🤣
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There is no alternative to NVDA right now (to a small degree AMD). This guy should know what Nvidia does and powers considering he's been involved with NVDA for a while.
DeepSeek still requires NVDA. It's just saying that it can do just as well as American AI like ChatGPT, Llama, etc., but requires less NVDA GPUs because they are more efficient.
Watch CNBC's interview with Alexandr Wang from 4 days ago. Also Wang writes on X that China is lying about their efficiencyand Elon agrees.
Greedy tech billionaires got exposed! 😂😂😂😂
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Sanctions..😂😂
China hype? Probably
Who cares? AI needs the plug pulled. Bad news and will give nothing hype only.
What a scam. Trusting a Chinese startup! Right!!
They are a bunch of young kids from a data mining company doing a side job and did not asked you trust ok?
No scam
they give for free, people like you need to be grateful
The code is open source, out there for all to see. No scam.
China language code maybe more efficient than English language? If not? This balloon will fail !
Security of language in China fails USA’LL
All these techbros have been exposed to be AI's Sam Bankman-Fried for crypto.
Have you visited China? They are miles ahead of the US! Miles!!!
Only in Tieu one cities like Shenzhen and Guangzhou. Tier 2 like Chengdu is advanced too. However Shanghai and Beijing is filled with pollution. People don’t want to live in those places long term and those cities are not high-end as Shenzhen
@@Hugh1319 They aren't really that advanced, they just use a lot of LEDs.
@@Mittens322 no in terms of trains and train stations that are advanced. Luxury spas and hospitality it’s more advanced. Driverless cars and buses too . Plus good food and cheap prices. Most importantly no need to tip.
@@Mittens322 try to cope harder
??? Why do we even need AI? It frequently is proven wrong and is malevolent.
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Great description of Trump and the whole GOP
@@nicholashall4625 Nice try, grewmer.
It actually is a good description.
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