Actually that's a fair point, cool experiment but the practically of this is...well it's not. Notice it's a telescopic rough terrain fork lift with a bucket, with delivery probably 500@ day. Hopefully you don't crush anything in your yard as they weigh 15 to 20 thousand pounds. Then there's the logistics of getting the chips delivered and correctly loaded into the bin. All that being said the clean up effort and recovery of all the tubing isn't a small task, you will need another machine rental to get it done efficiently. Even if you own all this equipment the timing of building this to get the maximum output of the pile is critical to its success. One last detail you absolutely need electricity to keep it working or the pipes freeze. Before throwing stones how about fessing up to the fossil fuel your using to heat your own home or apartment. The best renewable fuel we have is wood. I can cut and split a year's supply of blow down trees using less than 20 gallons of fuel start to finish. That's less than this whole project ant it only takes one person. The problem with details is they matter.
@@markw2266 you don't know how wrong you are! There is more than one way to do this that costs practically nothing. It's all in how you see it. No one will do anything cool with that pessimistic outlook.
So do you have a resevoir of water for the recirculation or just what water you put into the pipe? Did you bury/insulate any going away from the pile to keep it from cooling?
@@owentp we re use the water, we pump the ‘used’ water back to the top. Sometimes we insulate the outside with straw but mostly the outside woodchips insulate the Biomeiler enough
Look into the work of Jean Paine, there's an article from 1980 from mother earth news. I haven't looked at the article in a while but I remember there being good info in that article
Hi. I have tried this but it is useful only for 2 weeks long (60 degrees C went to 49 Degrees C in 14 days, water temp., right inside the house)...now the temperature goes to 40, preety slowly. What is wrong?
Hi Florian, we found out that your return water should be at least 40 degrees C to maintain the right bacteria active. Do not harvest too much warmth is the idea.
I wonder if adding some quail poo or rabbit poo would help to heat it up? I would think adding nitrogen would help heat the pile. It may cook it off faster but it will definitely jump start the heating process.
In the beginning of the video they said to pump off the old bacteria water for use later. I think they forgot to add using that water activates it much faster. Wood is a source of carbon it needs a nitrogen source like grass clipping which is what most home owners use. Animal waist fertilizer would work, it may smell but it would get the job done. I'm gonna be building a greenhouse next month I really should consider at least trying this to heat it. I was going to go with solar. I wonder if I couldn't just dig a large pit and top it off level to the ground and use a pump to lift the hot water up and out to circulate it. Hmmm?
After 2 - 3 year you can harvest the compost. The separation of he pipes from the layers is not easy... We are looking for better ways but until now the method in the movie is far the cheapest and works pretty good.
As the composting proces is aerobic we need to allow air into the heep. I kow from some Biomeiler owners that they covered it temporary when cold rains arrived... the Biomeiler has got difficulties with that and produces less warmth
@@Nadine---- Its really amazing. You get quality compost for the price of wood chips plus free heat you can heat your greenhouse with during winter. People pay crazy amounts to heat their greenhouse plus paying for yards of compost
@@Nadine---- When I turn over my little 10 foot wide 6 foot high compost pile steam rises out of it. I can imagine how much heat this thing must put out. They mentioned jumping out the old water with bacteria to save they forgot to say you need to spray it over the wood to jump start the composting by bacteria breaking it down. Itcs not necessary but if it's not inoculated the process takes a lot longer to start to break down without turning over and mixing with air which defeats the whole purpose here
Voor zover ik weet maakt de HomeBioGas digester geen gebruik van de warmte die het oplevert; die wordt alleen gebruikt om methaan te winnen om bijv. mee te koken. Die reactie is anaerobisch (de biomeiler is aerobisch), dus ik weet niet of een Biogas digester überhaupt warmte produceert? Voor zover ik van mensen heb gehoord die er ervaring mee hebben is het vooral zaak om de temperatuur warm genoeg te houden zodat de reactie niet stopt...
Localwise @Groningen did that... there research is in dutch however but it was a very promising project. As the temperature gets high for a long time the compost with pooh and pee was extremely clean. You still have to be careful though.
Hi Put some horse manure in there that will Make it Rock find the neighbor with a pumpkin patch watermelon and store them for later in a big tub where you can take and use the tractor happy heating
Система не рассчитана на функционировании при отрицательных температурах. Проще сделать яму с обваловкой, укрыть их термостойким кислотостойкие полимером с образованием на дне жижесборника. Можно сделать трап с воротами.
Хотя холодный дождь влияет на теплоотдачу, у нас есть положительный опыт в ситуациях, когда температура ниже нуля градусов по Цельсию. К сожалению, я не полностью понял ваше предложение исследовать что-то еще. Можете прикрепить рисунок?
@@Floreypottery this would work in cold areas just as well. Instead of the internal temp reaching 160f + it will be a more moderate 110F. Anywhere between 110-130 is good to keep the microbes churning.
I would just go with a woodstove with a water jacket. Keep it simple. Most dont have the heavy equipment and would end up having to dig all that out by hand to replace it.. That would be lots of work! And costs of having all that hauled in. Just saying.. But cool idea.
Where I'm from a cubic meter of wood chips s about $20-25 where as a cubic meter of compost is $100-150, so you can make all your money back + get free heat for a year. Seems like a good deal
I've spent a winter in the Netherlands. I don't know exactly, because it was included in the rent, but I'm fairly confident that my heating cost less than 100 Euros, for the whole winter. That's 12,800 Euro less than this 12,900 Euro project which will yield similar results. And no, getting compost at the end of the process doesn't justify it. You can get compost for far cheaper, and much faster (so, without tying down a significant amount of real estate, which in the Netherlands is especially valuable, for two years). So while this may make sense in remote, northern regions with plenty of space and without access to natural gas or an electric grid, in the Netherlands, and most of the world, it's strictly a research or hobby project. Not a productive enterprise.
Where did you find the cost information for this specific project? How large is the space you were renting relative to the amount of space this pile is capable of warming?
@@tylerblack3508 From the link posted under the video, I think. It's probably in Dutch, but you can read Dutch reasonably well if you're an English speaker. Certainly well enough to check my numbers. As for the space, it doesn't really matter. If you could heat a castle, t would still not be cost effective.
@@deinse82 you are missing the fact that the materials can be reused again and again and again. The wood chips probably obtained for free. That leaves the labor cost. If you are going to compost the wood chips anyway, how is this not win-win? Nobody is going to do this on land they would otherwise be building an apartment block on. It will be in gardens and other outside space.
I was looking into this to boost the heat in a greenhouse in the winter, which is very expensive to keep going with convential means, and a cattle barn. When you go into agricultural uses, or larger scales, the scales change. In Wisconsin you can guess about $100 per year, per cow in electrical expenses, which is heat and lighting- so if you have 100 cows... being able to cut your power bill in the barn by 90% can be the difference between profit and loosing the farm. Most of the dairy farms I know have between 300-500 cows. So you're talking about close to half a million dollars a year when you get to the commercial scale, if you can put a few of these outside your barn when it's snowing outside. Cows also eat a LOT more when they are cold, so you'd save on feed- not just heating expenses.
Just burn the desiel fuel they are using to load and unload the chips. Also the saws used to cut down the trees and chop them up into chips. Don't forget about trucks hauling it in. And the energy used to make all these machines. Burn the desiel
"Babe, It's cold here, can u come over?"
"Aight, I'm bringing my compost."
how much heat can you get? How long each day can you run water through the popes and extract heat using the size you shown? thanks
Thanks🌦️ very much very nice cool kind regards for you & all.
They forgot to mention finding a bunch of buddies to help, renting a front end loader, and having access to a fire hose. LOL
So sad in life you're just bitching randomly. I hope you see good around you in 2021. Be happy.
@@Nadine----
Some people will never be happy SMH
Actually that's a fair point, cool experiment but the practically of this is...well it's not. Notice it's a telescopic rough terrain fork lift with a bucket, with delivery probably 500@ day. Hopefully you don't crush anything in your yard as they weigh 15 to 20 thousand pounds. Then there's the logistics of getting the chips delivered and correctly loaded into the bin. All that being said the clean up effort and recovery of all the tubing isn't a small task, you will need another machine rental to get it done efficiently. Even if you own all this equipment the timing of building this to get the maximum output of the pile is critical to its success. One last detail you absolutely need electricity to keep it working or the pipes freeze. Before throwing stones how about fessing up to the fossil fuel your using to heat your own home or apartment. The best renewable fuel we have is wood. I can cut and split a year's supply of blow down trees using less than 20 gallons of fuel start to finish. That's less than this whole project ant it only takes one person. The problem with details is they matter.
@@markw2266 you don't know how wrong you are! There is more than one way to do this that costs practically nothing. It's all in how you see it. No one will do anything cool with that pessimistic outlook.
@@rhubarb4898 OK please post a video of you doing this for practically nothing so we all can see how it's done.
This is amazing.
Way cheaper then gas or electric.
Perfect for my needs.
So do you have a resevoir of water for the recirculation or just what water you put into the pipe? Did you bury/insulate any going away from the pile to keep it from cooling?
@@owentp we re use the water, we pump the ‘used’ water back to the top. Sometimes we insulate the outside with straw but mostly the outside woodchips insulate the Biomeiler enough
@@peterjanbrouwer738 I meant the water heating in the black pipe in the compost pile.
@@owentp the hot water is used in the heating system of the house. It is more or less like a solar tube heating. Only here we don’t need the sun.
The pipes are insulated
I wish it show the output as they said ... warming up the house is really possible...
Interesting study. Will this heat a house in the winter? I'm going to thumbs up and subscribe to support your experiments!
Look into the work of Jean Paine, there's an article from 1980 from mother earth news. I haven't looked at the article in a while but I remember there being good info in that article
If i want to use it for heating house, does it need hot water storage tank like for regular house heating systems?
Отлично! Идеи Жана Пейна нашли применение в наше время!
Hi. I have tried this but it is useful only for 2 weeks long (60 degrees C went to 49 Degrees C in 14 days, water temp., right inside the house)...now the temperature goes to 40, preety slowly. What is wrong?
Hi Florian, we found out that your return water should be at least 40 degrees C to maintain the right bacteria active. Do not harvest too much warmth is the idea.
How big was your setup? It needs to be substantial.
I wonder if adding some quail poo or rabbit poo would help to heat it up? I would think adding nitrogen would help heat the pile. It may cook it off faster but it will definitely jump start the heating process.
Yep, you need to add some nitrogen to get it cooking
In the beginning of the video they said to pump off the old bacteria water for use later. I think they forgot to add using that water activates it much faster. Wood is a source of carbon it needs a nitrogen source like grass clipping which is what most home owners use. Animal waist fertilizer would work, it may smell but it would get the job done. I'm gonna be building a greenhouse next month I really should consider at least trying this to heat it. I was going to go with solar. I wonder if I couldn't just dig a large pit and top it off level to the ground and use a pump to lift the hot water up and out to circulate it. Hmmm?
any animal manure will boost the proces, just mix it well with other material and soak
It may finish the biomeiler faster.... But as you like. Our Biomeiler lasted more than 2 years, for us that was the main thing.
Just ask the guys in your house to piss on the pile
This is the real deal 🤝
No trees were harmed in the production of this video.
You can use cobs from the collected corn.
Jean Pain
How often does it need to be cleaned out? What about summer time? Does it create usable gasses that could be collected and burned?
it said 12 - 24 months
What's the maintenance or rotation process once the mulch stops producing the heat is it difficult to separate the pex pipe from the layers?
After 2 - 3 year you can harvest the compost. The separation of he pipes from the layers is not easy... We are looking for better ways but until now the method in the movie is far the cheapest and works pretty good.
Why not put an old metal radiator in the pile to capture heat instead of plastic pipes? Could be much simpler to both build and disassemble the pile.
should the top be covered in the winter to conserve heat?
As the composting proces is aerobic we need to allow air into the heep. I kow from some Biomeiler owners that they covered it temporary when cold rains arrived... the Biomeiler has got difficulties with that and produces less warmth
I have seen people cover their pile but they pump air into it.
Does all the plastic sheet and tube get reused?
Should pipe definitely
Do you have any data about taken energie over time by what volume ?
unfortunately in dutch only: biomeiler.nl/prijzen-kosten-en-opbrengst/
Found info at permies.com. the men heat 2 houses a workshop, wood and many more. My God never thought it was possible.
@@Nadine---- Its really amazing. You get quality compost for the price of wood chips plus free heat you can heat your greenhouse with during winter. People pay crazy amounts to heat their greenhouse plus paying for yards of compost
@@Nadine----
When I turn over my little 10 foot wide 6 foot high compost pile steam rises out of it. I can imagine how much heat this thing must put out. They mentioned jumping out the old water with bacteria to save they forgot to say you need to spray it over the wood to jump start the composting by bacteria breaking it down. Itcs not necessary but if it's not inoculated the process takes a lot longer to start to break down without turning over and mixing with air which defeats the whole purpose here
How do you actually use that heat to heat your house? How is it set up?
Use it like geothermal. Water is pumped through the hoses and back to the house through radiators or something.
Same way geothermal works or you can heat just radiators
you would need to pump the water to a water source heatpump
Just needs redesigning so that the top can be lifted or the bottom mined out.
Hi Peter-Jan, is dit vergelijkbaar met de principe van wat HomeBioGas (biogas digester)?
Voor zover ik weet maakt de HomeBioGas digester geen gebruik van de warmte die het oplevert; die wordt alleen gebruikt om methaan te winnen om bijv. mee te koken. Die reactie is anaerobisch (de biomeiler is aerobisch), dus ik weet niet of een Biogas digester überhaupt warmte produceert? Voor zover ik van mensen heb gehoord die er ervaring mee hebben is het vooral zaak om de temperatuur warm genoeg te houden zodat de reactie niet stopt...
I think I will just find a fat girl for the winter.
no-class Dick
Im already married to one😜
Like fat bald. Man
льют обычную воду?
Да, но очень много! Я считаю, что мы добавили 60 000 литров в фильм «Биомейлер». Удачи
what about composting pooh,!
Localwise @Groningen did that... there research is in dutch however but it was a very promising project. As the temperature gets high for a long time the compost with pooh and pee was extremely clean. You still have to be careful though.
А что будет, когда все сгниет? Все разбирать и заново собирать?
он не гнилой, красивый компост можно зачерпнуть и обработать на земле. Шланги необходимо осторожно снять и использовать повторно.
@@peterjanbrouwer738 , я и говорю, что все надо разобрать и собрать с новым наполнителем.
А как на долго хватает одной закладки?
Hi Put some horse manure in there that will Make it Rock find the neighbor with a pumpkin patch watermelon and store them for later in a big tub where you can take and use the tractor happy heating
what type of fabric is placed between the layers?
It's a strong plastic tile (used in agriculture) with holes big enough to let pass by the water and the bacteria.
So if I wanted order some of the material between layers, what would I google?
@@nexumbra1231 Weed Control Membrane
@@nexumbra1231
Or a landscape fabric
Отопление сделали?
что ты имеешь в виду?
@@peterjanbrouwer738 горячую воду так получают я так понял?
@@ТалантбекЖамалов-ф3ф действительно, мы греем воду, сравниваем с солнечными коллекторами
Система не рассчитана на функционировании при отрицательных температурах. Проще сделать яму с обваловкой, укрыть их термостойким кислотостойкие полимером с образованием на дне жижесборника. Можно сделать трап с воротами.
Хотя холодный дождь влияет на теплоотдачу, у нас есть положительный опыт в ситуациях, когда температура ниже нуля градусов по Цельсию. К сожалению, я не полностью понял ваше предложение исследовать что-то еще. Можете прикрепить рисунок?
@@peterjanbrouwer738 возьмите за образец углубленую или полууглубленую силосную яму. Только на несколько ином исполнении по материалам и технологиям.
I thought processing firewood was a chore. This is bizarre.
A lot cheaper then buying fire wood then again this wouldn’t be for super cold areas
@@Floreypottery this would work in cold areas just as well. Instead of the internal temp reaching 160f + it will be a more moderate 110F. Anywhere between 110-130 is good to keep the microbes churning.
I would just go with a woodstove with a water jacket. Keep it simple. Most dont have the heavy equipment and would end up having to dig all that out by hand to replace it.. That would be lots of work! And costs of having all that hauled in. Just saying.. But cool idea.
Good...SIR
INDIA
no. India no
Works one year. The you have to renew it
YES, that is great, because after that you have good compost for the garden and slow and cheap energy for heating.
Free heat other then electric pumps
@@Floreypottery ...and multiple tons of wood chips that need to be replaced every year and hundreds of feet of hose.
And the smell is what!!!
it smells like the grounds in the woods after raining :-)
If it was enclosed they could also Capture the methane gas and use it
Very true to run a generator or to make fuel maybe
But that is what we don't want to do :-) we think that the woodchipcompost is an extreme good product. Actually the warmth is an extra...
Looks at the costs
Where I'm from a cubic meter of wood chips s about $20-25 where as a cubic meter of compost is $100-150, so you can make all your money back + get free heat for a year. Seems like a good deal
@@scroogemcduck1462 many city’s have free wood chip lists drops offs
@@Floreypottery I haven't heard about that here, but then yeah it's basically free heat + free compost
that will become a rat hotel
Well, I have seen more than 40 Biomeilers in my life and they were all rat free :-)
I've spent a winter in the Netherlands. I don't know exactly, because it was included in the rent, but I'm fairly confident that my heating cost less than 100 Euros, for the whole winter. That's 12,800 Euro less than this 12,900 Euro project which will yield similar results. And no, getting compost at the end of the process doesn't justify it. You can get compost for far cheaper, and much faster (so, without tying down a significant amount of real estate, which in the Netherlands is especially valuable, for two years).
So while this may make sense in remote, northern regions with plenty of space and without access to natural gas or an electric grid, in the Netherlands, and most of the world, it's strictly a research or hobby project. Not a productive enterprise.
Where did you find the cost information for this specific project? How large is the space you were renting relative to the amount of space this pile is capable of warming?
@@tylerblack3508 From the link posted under the video, I think. It's probably in Dutch, but you can read Dutch reasonably well if you're an English speaker. Certainly well enough to check my numbers.
As for the space, it doesn't really matter. If you could heat a castle, t would still not be cost effective.
@@deinse82 you are missing the fact that the materials can be reused again and again and again. The wood chips probably obtained for free. That leaves the labor cost. If you are going to compost the wood chips anyway, how is this not win-win? Nobody is going to do this on land they would otherwise be building an apartment block on. It will be in gardens and other outside space.
I was looking into this to boost the heat in a greenhouse in the winter, which is very expensive to keep going with convential means, and a cattle barn. When you go into agricultural uses, or larger scales, the scales change. In Wisconsin you can guess about $100 per year, per cow in electrical expenses, which is heat and lighting- so if you have 100 cows... being able to cut your power bill in the barn by 90% can be the difference between profit and loosing the farm. Most of the dairy farms I know have between 300-500 cows. So you're talking about close to half a million dollars a year when you get to the commercial scale, if you can put a few of these outside your barn when it's snowing outside. Cows also eat a LOT more when they are cold, so you'd save on feed- not just heating expenses.
Damn someone’s butt hurt
Just burn the desiel fuel they are using to load and unload the chips. Also the saws used to cut down the trees and chop them up into chips. Don't forget about trucks hauling it in. And the energy used to make all these machines. Burn the desiel
🤦♂️
be creative, ask a group friends and organize a Biomeiler Filling Party... we did some by hand... no sportschool needed