This is a really good video. In the spirit of helping you refine your technique, I'll point out that you're more square to the skis and often aft in the second half of your turns to the right.
Like the boot arc exercise. This feeling of moving the outside leg forward through the turn is a great way to shift the pressure towards the tail of the ski to prevent it from washing out in the bottom half of the turn. In your case Josh you were getting a beautiful rebound into the new turn which you controlled with such precision. Really great to watch!
The problem is you Don't move your outside foot forward during a turn. You just balance on it and the ski turns. You might press your shin into the tongue of the boot to apply more weight to the tip of the skis so it digs in and bends more to tighten up the turn, but you will fall back on your heels if you push your foot forward.
I think maybe the term "moving the foot/ski forward" is a poor term for a correct movement. At the end of the turn (as in the hockey stops drill in the video) the movement is a flexing downwards towards transition and this gives access to the back of the ski for grip. The end result is of course that the boot moves forwards relative to your COM, but the ankle joint should still be active, so you aren't just back seat.
@@thomaschilcott "At the end of the turn" The movement of your feet forward is the End Result of stopping your upper body from following your skis across the hill so you can make a new turn. That creates the new leg angle change that will roll the skis over. To teach someone how to make a turn you don't describe what the feet look and feel like, you teach How you make them look and feel like that. It's right here if you look at the right parts of the body. 4:50 Look at his face, hands and chest when he wants to start a new turn. Then look at the results of those movements in the legs. His upper body stops crossing the slope while his skis continue on. When his feet are directly below him, he changes his weight from his right to his left foot. The skis continue on (being pushed forward), which creates the new leg angle that rolls the skis over. You don't Make your feet do anything to make a turn. You don't focus your attention on the end result to make a new turn. You do what the skis need from you which is positioning your upper body so the legs will change angle and your feet will eventually roll over. "Rotational Separation" means and teaches nothing. It is just a description of what parts of the body Look Like and that's not TEACHING! "flexing downwards towards transition" That doesn't explain or teach anything either. THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH SKI TEACHING WORLDWIDE! They point out individual body parts from the feet up because that is where the skis are attached. I call that a "Two-Dimensional Reaction." You look at the obvious and describe it. To teach skiing properly you have to be a "Three-Dimensional Thinker." You have to look at the physics and engineering of the entire action and find a way to describe the movements so a student can understand them. That's what I do. They won't accept it because it is completely alien thinking. Thinking being the key word instead of Reacting to what it looks like. When people read my method, they are comparing it to what they already know and are not Thinking of what the words mean. Saying, "Push your feet forward" or "Roll your ankles over" or my all-time favorite, "Tip your knees to the side" doesn't explain why they look and feel like that.
@@thomaschilcott The feeling is of moving the "leg" forward not the "foot" for the very reason you mentioned ... to keep the ankle flexed and engaged. This thought/feeling of moving the leg rather than flexing downwards allows you to make very subtle (and quick) fore/aft weight adjustments well before you enter into turn transition ... where I would agree the downward flexing naturally moves your weight towards the tail.
just found your site, thanks for putting in the time and effort, very informative and spot on. If one can't do turns like this and stay within a corridor, no chance at couloirs or chutes where pinpoint accuracy in turns is imperative. If you can't do it on groomers, well ...
Excellent content and presentation and demonstration.... You are a great teacher. I must say your hockey stops and pelvis rotation reminds me in a good way of Takao Maruyama's short turns, you can (if you wish) look for Japan team interski workshop in Bulgaria 2019 if you have not done it already, some interesting stuff there on the subject. Thanks for the video!
Thanks Joshua, really nice breakdown, and looks a really good way to help intermediates understand what they need to feel (and do) for a dynamic short turn 👍🏻👍🏻
Like All ski teaching videos, this "Shows you" what it looks like, not how to make it look like that. That's not teaching, that's showing. Watch it again and you see what I mean. All you will be left with is something to Mimic. Mimicking what skiing looks like will not give you the understanding that is necessary to fine tune what happens when you force your turns to look like that. The result is uncontrolled speed!!!
@@JB91710 Here's the issue. You're not understanding what & why Joshua is showing, because your skiing approach is different and you've not learned to ski like Josh (well, at least as I can see from the only video you've posted). I get what Josh is doing, and in my case I like how he's showing it there, because it helps me show my friends who don't yet understand how to ski like Josh. If you want/need proof of that, try sending your demo video to the SIA channel, and see if/how they constructively critique your style (which they do for a lot of the various level ski instructors).
@@koitaki Like EVERY other person who watched my video, you didn't read the description that told you what I was demonstrating. I guess 58 years of skiing and 54 years of teaching and especially 51 years of thinking rather than following like most people do, my time has been wasted. Do you really think all I can do is what you saw in that 24 second run? You are showing how narrow minded you are. You and all other instructors should expand you horizons.
@@JB91710 I read your words Jack, and I know you're a long-time skier, which is why I respond respectfully. Fact remains, your skiing in that video looks different to Joshua's and various others (such as the likes of Takeo Maruyama, the SIA folks, Tom Gellie, Reilly McGlashan et al). I, and many others it seems, prefer to emulate them, and we enjoy what Joshua calls dynamic steered short turns, and teaches in his videos. Skiing & ski instruction changes, hence we don't ski or instruct like greats of old, like Hannes Schneider or Toni Sailer. The kids are doing something different now, and it's a super-exciting time for ski learning. For example, grab yourself some Carv's and check out all the new metrics they provide, and see how your skiing stacks up on the leaderboard. It's seriously a lot of fun, incredibly useful, and gives us all a lot of new insights into skiing 🤩
@@koitaki "I read your words Jack," Then you go on to prove you didn't understand them. "Fact remains, your skiing in that video looks different to Joshua's and various others (such as the likes of Takeo Maruyama, the SIA folks, Tom Gellie, Reilly McGlashan et al)." Which proves you like to watch rather than understand what skiing is and how to teach it. Gellie has no clue how to teach skiing at any level. Reilley is probably the most technically correct skier on the planet, and he also has no idea how to teach what he can clearly do. Both have blocked me from their channels because they can't debate ski teaching. If they really believed in their methods, you would think they would have some staying power in their beliefs. "I, and many others it seems, prefer to emulate them" You mean copy and mimic them because what they say and demonstrate isn't real skiing at all. I prove it in every one of my comments. "and we enjoy what Joshua calls dynamic steered short turns and teaches in his videos." You really need to read All my comments here!!! You sure do like to Drop Names! Mentioning all your skiing heroes doesn't explain ski teaching at all. "The kids are doing something different now, and it's a super-exciting time for ski learning." That says and explains nothing. What they are doing is disgusting and technically incorrect skiing. Skiing with your feet apart is a fad and the way it is taught is completely wrong. "Carv?" How did I know you would like them too? I have not seen one of their videos that teaches skiing correctly. Carv has blocked me also. They can't discuss ski teaching methods either. "It's seriously a lot of fun, incredibly useful, and gives us all a lot of new insights into skiing." And that doesn't explain anything either. If you want to be entertained, then watch all Their videos. If you want to actually Learn how to teach skiing correctly or at least do what they can do, then you need to stop looking at them as teachers.
Thank you for posting. Question regarding your reference to pelvis rotation at 4:15. Are your referring to counter rotation? Can you expand a bit on what you are saying here? Thank you.
As always , this is insanely brilliant. Each viewer should be paying 10€ for this kind of explanation if we wanted to be fair with this guy. We want very in deep explanation of things when we reach a certain level of skiing , and this guy does that. Look at two even more insane vids from this guy , powder and bumps. I must have seen both a hundred times at least. In front of my meal :). We of course would want more and more of this kind of vids. Maybe part 2 of bumps and of powder. With more shootage with this kind of quality. Because the mind progresses via mimetism. So if we could see more and more shootage of this Joshua guy in the snow and in the bumps. We could be awesome just looking at him all the time. Peter from France
#JoshuaDuncanSmith - 1) Do you feel more that the skis are crossing under your body or more that your body is crossing over the skis? 2) A lot of people talk about early edge pressure before the fall line, whereas others say they wait until the high edge angle is created (around the the fall line) and then engaging the outside ski, what is your feeling?
I think tho achieve this required adequate speed and vert strong legs muscle. Was trying to reach this left but keep failing, especially on a rough surface, not sure is because of my weak legs 😅 or I didn’t do it on a steep enough hill or didn’t get enough speed…
It will help to have some strength in your legs for sure. A change in snow, speed or pitch will just impact how the ski performs overall. The snow on this day was quite loose and sugary ontop of ice.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith how did you manage to control both of you skis together though? I find it hard sometimes especially on icy patches, some A legs always occurred during uneasy slopes...
Чувствуется, что превалирует "выжимание" лыж вбок, потому заметный шлейф от соскальзывания. Это еще м.б. связано с излишне интенсивной вертикальной работой корпуса. Лучший короткий поворот у Рейли МакГлашена.
Hi, JDS, Thanks for the video explanation, I have two questions: 1. "how to control the path of the ski more forward than sideways" What does it mean? Refers to earlier Grip even Carved but not Slip, OR refers to the depth of turn shape? 2. "movement forward of outside leg as the ski is traveling through its arc". When you steering outside leg，what about your outside ankle joint？is it always power engaged, OR is it some losed after apex?
Ahead of any reply from Joshua, here's my interpretation Chen: 1. at 2:35 Joshua says use more leg inclination and make the outside leg arc...in a forward direction, rather than skidding or steering the turn sideways. Make the leg inclination + edge arc do the turn. The exercise at 3:15 helps to get that feel. 2. This is related to 1, and yes, both ankles are engaged but the outside ankle/foot feels the power. Do not try to push the outside foot out, but instead roll ankles & hold the outside edge firm to create the arc, in order to sweep from side to side (while keeping the upper body still). Incidentally, at home you can try the exercise on a swivel chair, roll your ankles, and press your outside foot to create the arc on the carpet, while keeping your upper body relatively still 🙂 (Btw, your videos suggest you're pretty close to emulating Joshua's style 👍, but need better eyeballs than mine to explain any issues)
I am using the Fischer RC4 CT in a 180. It's under 70mm underfoot. I do believe this turn is possible on a 84mm all mountain ski. It could be more effort on the knees though.
2:53 You could have left this part out because your lower body going across the slope while your upper body is going down the slope will dictate having your inside ski being ahead of the outside one. You don't teach what it looks like that, you teach how to make it look like that and don't even mention it. 3:10 You don't Make the ski do that with your foot, the skis sliding and turning with you balancing on it is taken for a ride by the ski. You shouldn't teach "Making" the skis do anything. Like snowplow or stem turns which should have become extinct with the creation of shaped skis. 3:50 These beautiful and technically correct sharp turns to a stop are actually nothing like or even comparable to a Hockey Stop. In a hocket stop you are uplifting your weight so you can counter-rotate your upper and lower body so you can physically force the skis to point across the slope. Kind of like a Fred Flintstone sharp turn. 4:00 What you are actually doing is driving your weight down into the tips of your skis as you rotate your knees into the turn which puts the ski tips on a hard edge. The tips dig in and bend while the tails slide around. You aren't actually forcing the skis to turn; you are letting them turn by positioning your body forward, down and then rotating your knees into the turn. None of that includes pushing or shoving your feet. You are still just riding the ski. 4:05 Yes, for Positioning, not to force the skis. Skiers have to realize that the skis turn, and you ride them, you don't make them do anything. Snowplow and Stem turns ruined just about every skier for life unless they can be given a different image to study. 4:34 Too many words were used to describe something simple. Watch the positioning of his thighs and kneecaps for each turn. Imagine they are headlights pointing down the hill. The knees don't make the ski get on edge by bending them sideways, they just go down the hill. It is the travel of the skis to the side while the upper body is going down the hill that creates that leg angle. From his face to his kneecaps, he is just going down the hill while his skis make turns because he did what they need. Hope this helps.
Jack, these are great points. I love the way you explain this, and I wish you made more ski videos! I like the one you've posted, and also the essay on your Patreon. I hope you'll post more videos this season. I'm curious about one thing. You said "skiers have to realize that the skis turn,... you don't make them do anything." It seems to me (I'm a beginner) that the tightest turn I can get will match the turn radius of my skis. I just bought Head e-Magnum's with a 13-meter turn radius. I guess that's already relatively short, but if I want a tighter turn than that, I have to do *something* beyond toppling (don't I?) to steer the outside ski into a tighter radius, like push out the tail or pivot my leg to twist the ski or something. I think I understand the concept of the pure carved turn (which you get purely by weighting one leg and toppling to the inside of the turn) but if you're trying to turn tighter than your ski's natural bend radius, it seems like you're going to have do something more than that... I guess this is the part I am pretty confused about. Maybe this is what you are getting at above when you write, "The tips dig in and bend while the tails slide around" --- say for a left turn, this is the right ski tip digging in and bent and the right tail sliding out, making the radius of the turn shorter than the natural turn radius of the ski? How is this bending and digging in achieved, beyond simply unweighting the inside leg and toppling inside? Do you shift weight onto the ball of the outside foot? Push out with the outside heel? Thanks, -Ken
@@KennethDuda Hi Kenneth. Do me a favor and copy and paste your comment to my video and I'll do the same with my response. You are a very intelligent person, and I will be happy to answer all your questions. "It seems to me (I'm a beginner) that the tightest turn I can get will match the turn radius of my skis." As you mention later in your post, you can increase the tightness of your turn beyond the posted radius of a ski by overloading the tip with weight as you transfer it from the rear. Kind of like a Drift Car. The tips dig in more as the lighter tails slide around. "I have to do something beyond toppling (don't I?) to steer the outside ski into a tighter radius, like push out the tail or pivot my leg to twist the ski or something." That is a loaded question so buckle up for the loaded answer. 1. Toppling!!! A meaningless word that is easily picked up on TH-cam from instructors who can't explain how to ski in simple to understand words. Just falling over like a tree isn't going to cut it. An analogy has to be introduced that people can relate to and understand. 2. Steer, Push, Pivot, Twist the ski. That sounds like the Fred Flintstone way to drive a car. Don't feel bad, that's the way most people ski because that's the way they have been taught from the beginning of skiing to the present day. Bad skiing is the fault of instructors, not the skiers. My 54 years of teaching and thinking, says so. Exhibit A. Snowplow and Stem turns. They should have both been abolished when shaped skis came out. With a combination of balancing on the new turning ski and applying pressure to the tongue of your boot and rotating your knee into the turn to roll the ski over more, you can change the turning radius of the ski through creating more of a bend to the tip (The front tires) and less to the tails. "I think I understand the concept of the pure carved turn (which you get purely by weighting one leg and toppling to the inside of the turn)" There's that word again! Grrr! Don't take what I am going to say personally because everyone has been brainwashed by this BS! Ok, here we go. Please, get Toppling or Tipping or any other word out of your skiing vocabulary that requires definition to understand. All those words like Transition, Extension, Flexion, Initiation, Separation, Center of Mass, roll your ankles over, etc., have no meaning and teach nothing. They are a smoke screen. They are words created by people who have no idea how to teach you, so you understand. It's because THEY don't understand what they actually can do. They SEE legs leaning over so they created Tipping. They feel their ankles rolling over, so they tell you to roll them over. Knees don't bend sideways, and ankles can't roll over and even if they could, they aren't going to inside a ski boot which doesn't allow and lateral bending. See what I mean? "Maybe this is what you are getting at above when you write, "The tips dig in and bend while the tails slide around" Exactly! "How is this bending and digging in achieved, beyond simply unweighting the inside leg and toppling inside? Do you shift weight onto the ball of the outside foot?" Yes! Stand up. Balance mostly on your right foot. Bend your right knee forward and gently rotate your knee to the left. Your weight transfers to the ball of your foot and then to the inside behind your big toe. The inside edge of the tip of that ski is now loaded and the tail is light. The tip has just become the steering front tire of your car and the rear tires lose traction and slide around. "Push out with the outside heel?" Nope! Are you still standing? You want to make a left turn. To do that you have to get off your left foot and stand on your right foot. Push the heal of your right foot out to the side to make it turn like a stem turn. Which foot are you standing on? Your left foot because you pushed your right foot out from under you!!! Your left foot wants to go in the opposite direction to the right, so you get stuck in the middle and go straight down the hill. Yikes! Now That is ski teaching and answering students' questions clearly so you can understand. The key is the skis know how to turn. Just do what they need, don't force them because they will bite you if you do.
Jack, couple of points: 1. looking at your ski video (th-cam.com/video/XxE1PFCFYt4/w-d-xo.html), your skiing is terrific, but seems quite different from the modern ski approach (eg. Joshua's skiing, or as per the Carv or SIA channels, and - from my understanding - cross-under vs cross-over). 2. Written ski instruction is "extremely" difficult to learn from...it needs video demonstration. If you're able to, your instruction would be more beneficial with short videos. Hope this helps.
@@koitaki Hi Chris. Did you subscribe??? What is "Different" is the "Modern" skiing style!!! I was demonstrating technically correct parallel turns that all skiers strive to achieve. 99% of all skiers do Not strive to achieve carved turns. This, feet apart, business was created so everyone can look like a Giant Slalom racer. What people don't realize is; GS racers turn with their legs mostly together, but they Raise their inside leg and boot to get it out of the way of the leaning and turning outside leg. This "Fad" is like a person putting a race car wing on a Honda Civic. If regular skiers force their feet apart to Look Like modern skiers, they will get themselves into a lot of trouble because most people haven't mastered using the outside ski for turns. They aren't consistently on that foot. With your feet apart, that inside ski can more easily dig in a hook the ski into the hill causing the skier to spin around backwards. You don't do what skiing Looks Like; you do what the skis need from you to make skiing Look Like that. Fads always have to change to keep things fresh. Some are created without much thought. Sure, experts can get away with it but what about the average skier? Written instruction requires that you Think! Visual demonstrations take that responsibility away from you, so you daydream while you are being told and shown so you end up not understanding. That leaves you with mimicking what you saw. That doesn't work with skiing because when you panic, you end up doing what comes naturally. Everything that comes naturally is the opposite of what you have to do. If you don't understand what skiing is and what the skis require from you, you won't be able to get yourself out of trouble when the mimicking stops working. That's why my teaching method is so simple to understand as long as you block out everything you already know and focus on just my words. Create your own image in your mind and then when you go skiing, just do what I say, and you will see instant results. The difference in your skiing will be so alien that you will instantly recognize and feel it. My method is night and day different than anything I have seen since the shaped skis came out around 15 years ago. All other instructors are still teaching snowplow and stem turns or teaching new methods that are completely and totally wrong, not just different than mine. They tell you to focus on your feet, ankles and knees when it is your upper body positioning that creates that "look and feel" in your legs. With Just that look and feel, you won't be balanced on the outside turning skis and your skis will Only change direction, they won't turn and control your speed. Getting my method out there is going to be an uphill battle for the reasons you mentioned. People want to learn by watching, listening and Then by reading. Me too! But that doesn't work with skiing. You Have to think and understand how skiing is the opposite of what comes naturally. I have no camera or the people to operate it. My one video was from a TV crew. I had one shot, so I showed people how little they had to work to make the skis turn. No pushing, twisting or shoving. Just balance, face down the hill and get off your downhill foot. Momentum, gravity and the skis design do the rest.
Your short turns are out of this world! Flawless!
Thank you
Wonderful on all counts. Thank you for the breakdown of phases of the dynamic short turn.
This is some great content. Rarely people mention the importance of the pelvic rotation for guiding the skis through the arc.
Ive watched this video quite a few times now, tomorrow I start properly trying it out, and lets see how it goes 💪💪
More skiers should learn to ski with that style and technique! …because it’s the basic elements of skiing! 💪😉👍
This is a really good video. In the spirit of helping you refine your technique, I'll point out that you're more square to the skis and often aft in the second half of your turns to the right.
Excellent lesson Joshua, very easy to understand. Thank you
Like the boot arc exercise. This feeling of moving the outside leg forward through the turn is a great way to shift the pressure towards the tail of the ski to prevent it from washing out in the bottom half of the turn. In your case Josh you were getting a beautiful rebound into the new turn which you controlled with such precision. Really great to watch!
The problem is you Don't move your outside foot forward during a turn. You just balance on it and the ski turns. You might press your shin into the tongue of the boot to apply more weight to the tip of the skis so it digs in and bends more to tighten up the turn, but you will fall back on your heels if you push your foot forward.
I think maybe the term "moving the foot/ski forward" is a poor term for a correct movement. At the end of the turn (as in the hockey stops drill in the video) the movement is a flexing downwards towards transition and this gives access to the back of the ski for grip. The end result is of course that the boot moves forwards relative to your COM, but the ankle joint should still be active, so you aren't just back seat.
@@thomaschilcott "At the end of the turn" The movement of your feet forward is the End Result of stopping your upper body from following your skis across the hill so you can make a new turn. That creates the new leg angle change that will roll the skis over. To teach someone how to make a turn you don't describe what the feet look and feel like, you teach How you make them look and feel like that.
It's right here if you look at the right parts of the body. 4:50 Look at his face, hands and chest when he wants to start a new turn. Then look at the results of those movements in the legs. His upper body stops crossing the slope while his skis continue on. When his feet are directly below him, he changes his weight from his right to his left foot. The skis continue on (being pushed forward), which creates the new leg angle that rolls the skis over.
You don't Make your feet do anything to make a turn. You don't focus your attention on the end result to make a new turn. You do what the skis need from you which is positioning your upper body so the legs will change angle and your feet will eventually roll over. "Rotational Separation" means and teaches nothing. It is just a description of what parts of the body Look Like and that's not TEACHING!
"flexing downwards towards transition" That doesn't explain or teach anything either.
THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG WITH SKI TEACHING WORLDWIDE! They point out individual body parts from the feet up because that is where the skis are attached. I call that a "Two-Dimensional Reaction." You look at the obvious and describe it. To teach skiing properly you have to be a "Three-Dimensional Thinker." You have to look at the physics and engineering of the entire action and find a way to describe the movements so a student can understand them. That's what I do.
They won't accept it because it is completely alien thinking. Thinking being the key word instead of Reacting to what it looks like. When people read my method, they are comparing it to what they already know and are not Thinking of what the words mean. Saying, "Push your feet forward" or "Roll your ankles over" or my all-time favorite, "Tip your knees to the side" doesn't explain why they look and feel like that.
@@thomaschilcott The feeling is of moving the "leg" forward not the "foot" for the very reason you mentioned ... to keep the ankle flexed and engaged. This thought/feeling of moving the leg rather than flexing downwards allows you to make very subtle (and quick) fore/aft weight adjustments well before you enter into turn transition ... where I would agree the downward flexing naturally moves your weight towards the tail.
just found your site, thanks for putting in the time and effort, very informative and spot on. If one can't do turns like this and stay within a corridor, no chance at couloirs or chutes where pinpoint accuracy in turns is imperative. If you can't do it on groomers, well ...
Great demos!
Really cool take on it Josh, and amazing video quality! Keep up the good work 🤘👍
Thank you mate! I'm looking forward to catching up with you in Levi.
Excellent content and presentation and demonstration.... You are a great teacher.
I must say your hockey stops and pelvis rotation reminds me in a good way of Takao Maruyama's short turns, you can (if you wish) look for Japan team interski workshop in Bulgaria 2019 if you have not done it already, some interesting stuff there on the subject.
Thanks for the video!
I was in Takao's clinic at InterSki Bulgaria. It was a great clinic.
Nice work Josh! Looking forward to skiing with you soon! 😊
Yeah mate can't wait to catch up soon!
Thanks Joshua, really nice breakdown, and looks a really good way to help intermediates understand what they need to feel (and do) for a dynamic short turn 👍🏻👍🏻
Like All ski teaching videos, this "Shows you" what it looks like, not how to make it look like that. That's not teaching, that's showing. Watch it again and you see what I mean. All you will be left with is something to Mimic. Mimicking what skiing looks like will not give you the understanding that is necessary to fine tune what happens when you force your turns to look like that. The result is uncontrolled speed!!!
@@JB91710 Here's the issue. You're not understanding what & why Joshua is showing, because your skiing approach is different and you've not learned to ski like Josh (well, at least as I can see from the only video you've posted). I get what Josh is doing, and in my case I like how he's showing it there, because it helps me show my friends who don't yet understand how to ski like Josh.
If you want/need proof of that, try sending your demo video to the SIA channel, and see if/how they constructively critique your style (which they do for a lot of the various level ski instructors).
@@koitaki Like EVERY other person who watched my video, you didn't read the description that told you what I was demonstrating. I guess 58 years of skiing and 54 years of teaching and especially 51 years of thinking rather than following like most people do, my time has been wasted. Do you really think all I can do is what you saw in that 24 second run? You are showing how narrow minded you are. You and all other instructors should expand you horizons.
@@JB91710 I read your words Jack, and I know you're a long-time skier, which is why I respond respectfully. Fact remains, your skiing in that video looks different to Joshua's and various others (such as the likes of Takeo Maruyama, the SIA folks, Tom Gellie, Reilly McGlashan et al). I, and many others it seems, prefer to emulate them, and we enjoy what Joshua calls dynamic steered short turns, and teaches in his videos.
Skiing & ski instruction changes, hence we don't ski or instruct like greats of old, like Hannes Schneider or Toni Sailer. The kids are doing something different now, and it's a super-exciting time for ski learning. For example, grab yourself some Carv's and check out all the new metrics they provide, and see how your skiing stacks up on the leaderboard. It's seriously a lot of fun, incredibly useful, and gives us all a lot of new insights into skiing 🤩
@@koitaki
"I read your words Jack," Then you go on to prove you didn't understand them.
"Fact remains, your skiing in that video looks different to Joshua's and various others (such as the likes of Takeo Maruyama, the SIA folks, Tom Gellie, Reilly McGlashan et al)." Which proves you like to watch rather than understand what skiing is and how to teach it. Gellie has no clue how to teach skiing at any level. Reilley is probably the most technically correct skier on the planet, and he also has no idea how to teach what he can clearly do. Both have blocked me from their channels because they can't debate ski teaching. If they really believed in their methods, you would think they would have some staying power in their beliefs.
"I, and many others it seems, prefer to emulate them" You mean copy and mimic them because what they say and demonstrate isn't real skiing at all. I prove it in every one of my comments.
"and we enjoy what Joshua calls dynamic steered short turns and teaches in his videos." You really need to read All my comments here!!!
You sure do like to Drop Names! Mentioning all your skiing heroes doesn't explain ski teaching at all.
"The kids are doing something different now, and it's a super-exciting time for ski learning." That says and explains nothing. What they are doing is disgusting and technically incorrect skiing. Skiing with your feet apart is a fad and the way it is taught is completely wrong.
"Carv?" How did I know you would like them too? I have not seen one of their videos that teaches skiing correctly. Carv has blocked me also. They can't discuss ski teaching methods either.
"It's seriously a lot of fun, incredibly useful, and gives us all a lot of new insights into skiing." And that doesn't explain anything either.
If you want to be entertained, then watch all Their videos. If you want to actually Learn how to teach skiing correctly or at least do what they can do, then you need to stop looking at them as teachers.
it's awesome and love to take a lesson on snow.
Thank you for posting. Question regarding your reference to pelvis rotation at 4:15. Are your referring to counter rotation? Can you expand a bit on what you are saying here? Thank you.
I am talking about increasing edge angle by using tipping action of the legs with some pelvis rotation to achieve higher edge angle.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith Thank you for the response.
As always , this is insanely brilliant. Each viewer should be paying 10€ for this kind of explanation if we wanted to be fair with this guy. We want very in deep explanation of things when we reach a certain level of skiing , and this guy does that. Look at two even more insane vids from this guy , powder and bumps. I must have seen both a hundred times at least. In front of my meal :). We of course would want more and more of this kind of vids. Maybe part 2 of bumps and of powder. With more shootage with this kind of quality. Because the mind progresses via mimetism. So if we could see more and more shootage of this Joshua guy in the snow and in the bumps. We could be awesome just looking at him all the time. Peter from France
Thank you Peter, I really appreciate the kind words. I will be brining more videos out this winter. Stay tuned. Thanks again!
Incredible ❤❤
Nice to watch and listen to. What models of skis were you on in the video? Thanks
I am using the Fischer RC4 CT - 180 in this video.
Really helpful
Hi Joshua, I am looking at purchasing a Carve ski suit and not sure about sizing. can ask you the size you wear and how tall are you!
Thanks
Martin
Hi Martin, I am 176cm tall. I have pretty broad shoulders so I need to wear the XXL size in Carve.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith Thank you, that helps! Martin
#JoshuaDuncanSmith - 1) Do you feel more that the skis are crossing under your body or more that your body is crossing over the skis?
2) A lot of people talk about early edge pressure before the fall line, whereas others say they wait until the high edge angle is created (around the the fall line) and then engaging the outside ski, what is your feeling?
Thank you
is the tip of the uphill ski will always be more forward than downhill ski during turn?
#JoshuaDuncanSmith - what type of skis and length are you using here?
I am using the Fischer RC4 CT in a 180, thanks.
#JoshuaDuncanSmith - generally what percentage of your weight is on the outside ski?
I would say 80% or 90% on the outside ski.
what if I have only downhill and 120 underfoot skis?
I think tho achieve this required adequate speed and vert strong legs muscle. Was trying to reach this left but keep failing, especially on a rough surface, not sure is because of my weak legs 😅 or I didn’t do it on a steep enough hill or didn’t get enough speed…
It will help to have some strength in your legs for sure. A change in snow, speed or pitch will just impact how the ski performs overall. The snow on this day was quite loose and sugary ontop of ice.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith how did you manage to control both of you skis together though? I find it hard sometimes especially on icy patches, some A legs always occurred during uneasy slopes...
Чувствуется, что превалирует "выжимание" лыж вбок, потому заметный шлейф от соскальзывания. Это еще м.б. связано с излишне интенсивной вертикальной работой корпуса. Лучший короткий поворот у Рейли МакГлашена.
I disagree, I prefer Duncan's turns.
Width stance of skis is more dynamic skiing and more stability
Hi, JDS, Thanks for the video explanation, I have two questions:
1. "how to control the path of the ski more forward than sideways"
What does it mean? Refers to earlier Grip even Carved but not Slip, OR refers to the depth of turn shape?
2. "movement forward of outside leg as the ski is traveling through its arc".
When you steering outside leg，what about your outside ankle joint？is it always power engaged, OR is it some losed after apex?
Ahead of any reply from Joshua, here's my interpretation Chen:
1. at 2:35 Joshua says use more leg inclination and make the outside leg arc...in a forward direction, rather than skidding or steering the turn sideways. Make the leg inclination + edge arc do the turn. The exercise at 3:15 helps to get that feel.
2. This is related to 1, and yes, both ankles are engaged but the outside ankle/foot feels the power. Do not try to push the outside foot out, but instead roll ankles & hold the outside edge firm to create the arc, in order to sweep from side to side (while keeping the upper body still).
Incidentally, at home you can try the exercise on a swivel chair, roll your ankles, and press your outside foot to create the arc on the carpet, while keeping your upper body relatively still 🙂
(Btw, your videos suggest you're pretty close to emulating Joshua's style 👍, but need better eyeballs than mine to explain any issues)
@@koitaki thanks for your comments.
1) It just means that you're not driting the ski too much. It doesn't need to be a carved turn but when the ski is carving it is only moving forward.
2) This is just the body performance to achieve your first question. My ankle joint is engaged all the time.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith thanks
I assume that this short turn is only possible with smaller slalom ski's and not with 84cm (under foot) all mountain ski's?
I am using the Fischer RC4 CT in a 180. It's under 70mm underfoot. I do believe this turn is possible on a 84mm all mountain ski. It could be more effort on the knees though.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith Joshua are you using that ski in the moguls as well?
What your favourite equipment for this turns?
For this style of short turn I like the 180 Fischer CT. Or a ski around 16m turn radius.
@@JoshuaDuncanSmith thanks, please more ski tips for high level improvment
Stay tuned, theres some more coming your way this month :-) @@CostantinoLenzi
2:53 You could have left this part out because your lower body going across the slope while your upper body is going down the slope will dictate having your inside ski being ahead of the outside one. You don't teach what it looks like that, you teach how to make it look like that and don't even mention it.
3:10 You don't Make the ski do that with your foot, the skis sliding and turning with you balancing on it is taken for a ride by the ski. You shouldn't teach "Making" the skis do anything. Like snowplow or stem turns which should have become extinct with the creation of shaped skis.
3:50 These beautiful and technically correct sharp turns to a stop are actually nothing like or even comparable to a Hockey Stop. In a hocket stop you are uplifting your weight so you can counter-rotate your upper and lower body so you can physically force the skis to point across the slope. Kind of like a Fred Flintstone sharp turn.
4:00 What you are actually doing is driving your weight down into the tips of your skis as you rotate your knees into the turn which puts the ski tips on a hard edge. The tips dig in and bend while the tails slide around. You aren't actually forcing the skis to turn; you are letting them turn by positioning your body forward, down and then rotating your knees into the turn. None of that includes pushing or shoving your feet. You are still just riding the ski.
4:05 Yes, for Positioning, not to force the skis. Skiers have to realize that the skis turn, and you ride them, you don't make them do anything. Snowplow and Stem turns ruined just about every skier for life unless they can be given a different image to study.
4:34 Too many words were used to describe something simple. Watch the positioning of his thighs and kneecaps for each turn. Imagine they are headlights pointing down the hill. The knees don't make the ski get on edge by bending them sideways, they just go down the hill. It is the travel of the skis to the side while the upper body is going down the hill that creates that leg angle. From his face to his kneecaps, he is just going down the hill while his skis make turns because he did what they need.
Hope this helps.
Jack, these are great points. I love the way you explain this, and I wish you made more ski videos! I like the one you've posted, and also the essay on your Patreon. I hope you'll post more videos this season.
I'm curious about one thing. You said "skiers have to realize that the skis turn,... you don't make them do anything." It seems to me (I'm a beginner) that the tightest turn I can get will match the turn radius of my skis. I just bought Head e-Magnum's with a 13-meter turn radius. I guess that's already relatively short, but if I want a tighter turn than that, I have to do *something* beyond toppling (don't I?) to steer the outside ski into a tighter radius, like push out the tail or pivot my leg to twist the ski or something. I think I understand the concept of the pure carved turn (which you get purely by weighting one leg and toppling to the inside of the turn) but if you're trying to turn tighter than your ski's natural bend radius, it seems like you're going to have do something more than that... I guess this is the part I am pretty confused about. Maybe this is what you are getting at above when you write, "The tips dig in and bend while the tails slide around" --- say for a left turn, this is the right ski tip digging in and bent and the right tail sliding out, making the radius of the turn shorter than the natural turn radius of the ski? How is this bending and digging in achieved, beyond simply unweighting the inside leg and toppling inside? Do you shift weight onto the ball of the outside foot? Push out with the outside heel?
Thanks,
-Ken
@@KennethDuda Hi Kenneth. Do me a favor and copy and paste your comment to my video and I'll do the same with my response. You are a very intelligent person, and I will be happy to answer all your questions.
"It seems to me (I'm a beginner) that the tightest turn I can get will match the turn radius of my skis." As you mention later in your post, you can increase the tightness of your turn beyond the posted radius of a ski by overloading the tip with weight as you transfer it from the rear. Kind of like a Drift Car. The tips dig in more as the lighter tails slide around.
"I have to do something beyond toppling (don't I?) to steer the outside ski into a tighter radius, like push out the tail or pivot my leg to twist the ski or something." That is a loaded question so buckle up for the loaded answer.
1. Toppling!!! A meaningless word that is easily picked up on TH-cam from instructors who can't explain how to ski in simple to understand words. Just falling over like a tree isn't going to cut it. An analogy has to be introduced that people can relate to and understand.
2. Steer, Push, Pivot, Twist the ski. That sounds like the Fred Flintstone way to drive a car. Don't feel bad, that's the way most people ski because that's the way they have been taught from the beginning of skiing to the present day. Bad skiing is the fault of instructors, not the skiers. My 54 years of teaching and thinking, says so. Exhibit A. Snowplow and Stem turns. They should have both been abolished when shaped skis came out. With a combination of balancing on the new turning ski and applying pressure to the tongue of your boot and rotating your knee into the turn to roll the ski over more, you can change the turning radius of the ski through creating more of a bend to the tip (The front tires) and less to the tails.
"I think I understand the concept of the pure carved turn (which you get purely by weighting one leg and toppling to the inside of the turn)" There's that word again! Grrr! Don't take what I am going to say personally because everyone has been brainwashed by this BS! Ok, here we go. Please, get Toppling or Tipping or any other word out of your skiing vocabulary that requires definition to understand. All those words like Transition, Extension, Flexion, Initiation, Separation, Center of Mass, roll your ankles over, etc., have no meaning and teach nothing. They are a smoke screen. They are words created by people who have no idea how to teach you, so you understand. It's because THEY don't understand what they actually can do. They SEE legs leaning over so they created Tipping. They feel their ankles rolling over, so they tell you to roll them over. Knees don't bend sideways, and ankles can't roll over and even if they could, they aren't going to inside a ski boot which doesn't allow and lateral bending. See what I mean?
"Maybe this is what you are getting at above when you write, "The tips dig in and bend while the tails slide around" Exactly!
"How is this bending and digging in achieved, beyond simply unweighting the inside leg and toppling inside? Do you shift weight onto the ball of the outside foot?" Yes! Stand up. Balance mostly on your right foot. Bend your right knee forward and gently rotate your knee to the left. Your weight transfers to the ball of your foot and then to the inside behind your big toe. The inside edge of the tip of that ski is now loaded and the tail is light. The tip has just become the steering front tire of your car and the rear tires lose traction and slide around.
"Push out with the outside heel?" Nope! Are you still standing? You want to make a left turn. To do that you have to get off your left foot and stand on your right foot. Push the heal of your right foot out to the side to make it turn like a stem turn. Which foot are you standing on? Your left foot because you pushed your right foot out from under you!!! Your left foot wants to go in the opposite direction to the right, so you get stuck in the middle and go straight down the hill. Yikes!
Now That is ski teaching and answering students' questions clearly so you can understand. The key is the skis know how to turn. Just do what they need, don't force them because they will bite you if you do.
Jack, couple of points:
1. looking at your ski video (th-cam.com/video/XxE1PFCFYt4/w-d-xo.html), your skiing is terrific, but seems quite different from the modern ski approach (eg. Joshua's skiing, or as per the Carv or SIA channels, and - from my understanding - cross-under vs cross-over).
2. Written ski instruction is "extremely" difficult to learn from...it needs video demonstration. If you're able to, your instruction would be more beneficial with short videos.
Hope this helps.
@@koitaki Hi Chris. Did you subscribe??? What is "Different" is the "Modern" skiing style!!! I was demonstrating technically correct parallel turns that all skiers strive to achieve. 99% of all skiers do Not strive to achieve carved turns. This, feet apart, business was created so everyone can look like a Giant Slalom racer. What people don't realize is; GS racers turn with their legs mostly together, but they Raise their inside leg and boot to get it out of the way of the leaning and turning outside leg. This "Fad" is like a person putting a race car wing on a Honda Civic.
If regular skiers force their feet apart to Look Like modern skiers, they will get themselves into a lot of trouble because most people haven't mastered using the outside ski for turns. They aren't consistently on that foot. With your feet apart, that inside ski can more easily dig in a hook the ski into the hill causing the skier to spin around backwards. You don't do what skiing Looks Like; you do what the skis need from you to make skiing Look Like that. Fads always have to change to keep things fresh. Some are created without much thought. Sure, experts can get away with it but what about the average skier?
Written instruction requires that you Think! Visual demonstrations take that responsibility away from you, so you daydream while you are being told and shown so you end up not understanding. That leaves you with mimicking what you saw. That doesn't work with skiing because when you panic, you end up doing what comes naturally. Everything that comes naturally is the opposite of what you have to do. If you don't understand what skiing is and what the skis require from you, you won't be able to get yourself out of trouble when the mimicking stops working.
That's why my teaching method is so simple to understand as long as you block out everything you already know and focus on just my words. Create your own image in your mind and then when you go skiing, just do what I say, and you will see instant results. The difference in your skiing will be so alien that you will instantly recognize and feel it.
My method is night and day different than anything I have seen since the shaped skis came out around 15 years ago. All other instructors are still teaching snowplow and stem turns or teaching new methods that are completely and totally wrong, not just different than mine. They tell you to focus on your feet, ankles and knees when it is your upper body positioning that creates that "look and feel" in your legs. With Just that look and feel, you won't be balanced on the outside turning skis and your skis will Only change direction, they won't turn and control your speed.
Getting my method out there is going to be an uphill battle for the reasons you mentioned. People want to learn by watching, listening and Then by reading. Me too! But that doesn't work with skiing. You Have to think and understand how skiing is the opposite of what comes naturally.
I have no camera or the people to operate it. My one video was from a TV crew. I had one shot, so I showed people how little they had to work to make the skis turn. No pushing, twisting or shoving. Just balance, face down the hill and get off your downhill foot. Momentum, gravity and the skis design do the rest.
@@KennethDuda Hi Ken. Read my comment to Christopher. It explains a lot about the reality of skiing.
I don't like to ski on such flat, smooth terrain. It gets way too boring.
How to ski short turns. DONT! You look like Ned Flanders and you are hacking up the slope. Less Turns = More Fun
in your opinion.
I’m going to do twice as many short turns this season because of this comment.
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!
Buy shorter ski's 🤔
Way too contrived and over done! Hence 😛 pressure management! Way over biody performed. Can dial it way down!