The tax situation in Vancouver, Washington is really beneficial. You can have no income tax in Washington and do most of your shopping in Oregon to avoid sales tax.
The funny thing is that WA has no tax on food at stores so that is about the same on both sides, but if you order items online/Amazon/ebay to get that tax free you need a friend/family living on the Oregon side to collect the packages for you I guess? I am sure people do that, 10% is not a small amount for more expensive item. You buy a $1000 laptop online, can save $100, not bad. Restaurants/fast food is taxed of course in WA so for a nice bite to eat it might be worth driving over, but there are such nice restaurants like in Camas so would be missing out. Not that I eat out much, I make most food myself but every week or two we eat out mostly on the weekend.
Definitely have to cover Charlotte, NC in the next installment. The largest city across state lines in SC, Rock Hill, is also the 5th largest city in the state of SC, so definitely a large population on both sides of the border. We even have theme park that spans both sides of the border and serves both halves of the metro.
My friend lives in extreme southern Charlotte. And whenever I visit it’s really funny to me how the boundary between NC and SC seems so random and arbitrary. Just driving around we enter and exit each state multiple times. In fact, he actually works at SC, which is maybe 5 minutes away from his home in NC
To be completely honest, I'm shocked Charlotte isn't on this list. The differences between North Carolina and South Carolina have always had their biggest clashes in the Charlotte metro/Metrolina area, from everything from industrialization to the Civil Rights Movement to Covid.
@@stacyr2775 I definitely noticed a stark political differences in which state people move to in the area. People who lean left tend to move to NC while people who lean right tend to move to SC (especially Fort Mill/Tega Cay/Indian Land)
@@steveb7429 It's not so much the state line that's random and arbitrary as the roads 😆there's hardly a straight road anywhere in the area. They curve and wind so much you can easily end up criss-crossing the line. Although the state line does jog in a couple of places, and goes right through the middle of some neighborhoods.
Some Mexican/Canadian metros also blend in with some US ones, so you should talk about those (San Diego and Tijuana, Detroit and Windsor, El Paso and Juárez, Seattle and Vancouver)
Was about to comment this! Seattle's doesn't quite reach into Vancouver like the other cities listed, but you could definitely include Niagara Falls (US & CA), Mexicali/Calexico, Matamoros/Brownsville, Reynosa/McAllen, and Laredo/Nuevo Laredo. Mexico's got a lot lol
Chicago IS ON THE STATE LINE! I was born and raised in Hammond, Indiana, the far northern part of which is directly attached to Chicago! The extreme SE of Chicago is adjacent to Indiana.
Probably not a big enough city to make the cut but I’d love to hear the King of Geography discuss my hometown Davenport, IA and the Quad Cities metro area!
I like how Walker County has two very different sides with the folks on the mountain and then the folks in LaFayette. Great county for caving with Ellison's Cave having the deepest pit in North America and all the karst on Pigeon Mtn.
Great video! But at 0:58 you mention Chicago. The southwest Chicago city boundary is the Indiana state line. Lots of folks live in "the Region" and consider themselves part of the Chicago metro area, if not exactly "Chicagoland" itself.
I’m one of these people and my entire life I’ve never really viewed either area as really separate or different, NW Indiana just being an extension of Chicagoland.
Definitely need a part 2! Major cities like New York, Philly, Chicago, El Paso, Virginia Beach, Charlotte, Reno, Providence, even Boston, and smaller ones like Savannah, the Quad cities, South Bend, Evansville, and Spokane
Definitely need to do Philly in part two, or go smaller for a Texarkana too. Great stuff, as always though! Then do an updated int'l version for El Paso, Juarez; San Diego, Tijuana; etc.
I spent a weekend recently going between Cincy and Louisville for the first time (and hung out with some friends in southern Indiana as well), and changed state lines at least 15 times. It's crazy how you can easily do that there
Spectacular analysis Kyle. This is squarely in my wheelhouse of interest since I received a world almanac around age 10. Severe geography nerdiness ensued! A Part II is a must, please!
Recently Sioux Falls has fallen into this category as well. It includes the South Dakota counties of Lincoln, McCook, Turner, & Minnehaha. As of July 2024 it now includes the Minnesota county of Rock.
Another thing with Arkansas with Memphis is that there's only two bridges across the Mississippi River and there's no alternative for a long distance. Traffic can get pretty bad on those bridges. With regards to metros split across states, the split I find most interesting is Columbus, GA. It's the main metro I think of with a time zone split technically (but not practically). The most populous portion of the combined statistical area has also now switched to the state opposite to where the bulk of the metro area lives.
One of the first things you learn when you move to the Alabama side of the Columbus metro area is fast time and slow time. Phenix City and Russell County function on Eastern time, and the people and businesses follow suit, but Lee County stays on Central time since Auburn and Opelika are the main cities. Things start to get strange in between Smiths Station and Opelika as the people who function on both time zones overlap, so you start to hear people talk about fast time for Eastern time and Columbus or slow time for Central time and Auburn-Opelika. Sometimes even my smart phone can't keep up when I am in the area because it can't figure out if it is supposed to be on fast or slow time.
KC resident here. My wife has lived here her whole life, and there are still times she won't know which side of the state line we're on since the demarcation line is just a street. If you aren't familiar with the area, it can be easy to not realize when you've crossed the state line.
St. Croix and Pierce Counties, so New Richmond, River Falls, Prescott along with Hudson. It is amazing how fast those schools and cities are growing in that area.
@@Compucles The cities themselves do not have to border the state for the metro area to spread into it. NYC does not border Connecticut but it's metro spreads into it.
@@dvferyance Watch the video again. He's only counting cases where the city itself forms part of the border. He then discusses the metro area but only if the city meets the initial requirement. Although, New York City does count, but only due to its river border with New Jersey.
Yes, please do a part 2! I'm thinking the Quad Cities, Texarkana, Omaha/Council Bluffs, Duluth/Superior, and NYC. And maybe a separate one with metros on an international border: Detroit/Windsor, Sault Saint Marie MI/ON, Niagara Falls NY/ON, El Paso / Ciudad Juárez, Laredo / Nuevo Laredo, Calexico/Mexicali, and International Falls / Fort Frances
Even Indiana's other large cities (not Indy) bleed into other states too. Fort Wayne into Ohio, South Bend/Elkhart into Michigan, Evansville into Kentucky
@ It feels like it from a fan perspective. Indy is definitely still a colts city but go south and most people are bengals fans and anything north of Lafayette is bears fans
I know people that live in Vancouver WA, everyone there does the bulk of their shopping in Portland so they have a win-win situation, no property tax and no sales tax!
That’s income tax they still have property taxes. The value of land in Clark county Washington is lower than the value of land on the Oregon side. Therefore their property taxes are usually lower for a comparable home. Many people moved from the Oregon side to the Washington side to reduce their taxes. The biggest problem for these people who live in Washington and work in Oregon is the traffic congestion on their commute. There are two bridges that span the river in the city and the traffic is the worst in the metro area. Everything is a balancing act and yes the Washington residents who work in Oregon pay Oregon income tax.
Indiana side if Louisville here. The immediate suburbs next to Louisville are growing pretty steadily, and some sprawl is starting to reach areas that had been historically rural
I know it’s small, but I think Fargo-Moorhead could be a good one for a part two. There could even be some discussion on why every cross boarder North Dakota/Minnesota metro area (Fargo-Moorhead, Grand Forks-East Grand Forks, and Wahpeton-Breckenridge) is bigger on the North Dakota side.
Did you know that when you drive from Detroit Michigan to Ontario, Canada that you're going South. When you enter Canada from the Ambassador Bridge. How crazy is that?
Columbus,GA and Augusta,GA are smaller metros that are split along state lines. You can almost say that Savannah's metro includes neighboring counties in SC with the Bluffton/Hilton Head Island area being within 30-40 minutes of Savannah.
Some other urban areas crossing state lines that are interesting: - El Paso, TX-NM-Mexico - New York, NY-NJ (CT is separate urban area per Census) - Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD - Hagerstown, MD-PA-WV-VA - Omaha, NE-IA - Fargo, ND-MN Also lots of examples of international metros, like Detroit, or San Diego.
A few Georgia cities are also border metros: Augusta (611K), Savannah (405K), and Columbus (329K). Would be interesting to see an analysis of those, especially with Augusta and Savannah both stretching into South Carolina.
The auto industry is big on both sides of the Detroit River. A few others have mentioned Windsor Ontario Canada in this thread. But please don’t forget that Jeep headquarters is across the Ohio line from the Detroit suburbs in Toledo.
From my experience living in Cincy, the main reason NKY is growing vs the Ohio side of Cincy is housing costs. There is significant development in the “outskirts” of NKY and you are still closer to downtown than a lot of developing suburbs in Ohio
I'm from St Louis. When I attended Mizzou in the early 1970's I had a roommate from Kansas City Mo, He lived off Ward Parkway, south of 86th St., two blocks from State Line Road. Missouri's drinking age is 21. In Kansas, you could by 3.2% beer at eighteen. My friend told me in high school, they'd cruise State Line. The Kansas side had a liquor store on every block. They'd buy beer in Kansas. Most times. as soon as they crossed back to Missouri, the police would be waiting for them. Unless they were fools, the worst that would happen was have their beer confescated. I frequently visited Kansas City, staying at my friend's family home. We'd cruise State Line and can attest there seemed to be a Kansas City police car parked on the Missouri side across from every liquor store on the Kansas side.
That's not a thing, at least in the past 30 years. I lived in Brookside (kind of a streetcar suburb but within the city of KCMO). It's amazing how many times a week, or even a day you would cross back and forth between MO and KS. The gas tax is cheaper in MO, so most gas stations near the state line will be on the MO side. And State Line Road in the south part of the metro becomes a rather large arterial street with 4-6 lanes.
I use to live in the Indiana portion of the Louisville metro (Jeffersonville, IN). I think it is worth mentioning that most of the bridges over the Ohio River have tolls and all of the bridges are sort of a traffic bottleneck. If you have the option, I would definitely recomend living on the side of river where your job is.
Lol, I was getting all exited, thinking you were going to mention my city because Downtown Norfolk is about 20 minutes from the North Carolina border, but then you mentioned that exurbs don't count.😿 yah, Moyock, Elizabeth City, and Kitty Hawk are way out there and are probably far enough outside the event horizon that we might as well be Richmond to them.
Another issue with the DC area is that the housing stock and overall development tends to be newer in the Virginia suburbs vs. the Maryland suburbs. Other than the close-in areas like Alexandria VA, much of the Virginia suburbs really weren't developed until the '70s-80's or after, vs. much of the Maryland suburbs that were developed soon after WW II.
My hometown Washington, D.C. , Maryland, & Virginia. Born in DC, I lived, worked, and went to school in both DC & the close counties in Maryland while growing up. Also worked in Northern Virginia and traveled there often!
Interesting video - but want to point out a couple of errors in regards to the DC area. The metro DC area officially includes the 3 counties in the Eastern Panhandle of WVA and the MARC commuter train includes 2 WV stations - so it spans 3 states and DC. In addition, the MD state income tax also includes a separate additional tax that goes to the counties - the rate varies depending on county. "Local officials set the rates, which range between 2.25% and 3.20% for the current tax year (2023). So the income tax in MD is higher than just the basic state tax shown in the chart. That being said, the real property taxes tend to be higher in VA for several reasons - one of which is that the houses on the VA side tend to be more expensive. Also, VA has the much hated personal property tax (cars mostly) and MD does not have this. So, overall, I think the tax burden for the average family is about the same between VA and MD and DCs taxes are much higher - but, as you point out - a lot of high income people live in DC itself.
An interesting thing about Cincinnati is if you pass through coming from Indianapolis and take the bypass to the south and west (I-74 to I-275), you go from Indiana into Ohio, then back into Indiana before entering Kentucky. And you almost pass through Ohio again before crossing the Ohio River into Kentucky. The bridge over the river is maybe a quarter mile from the tri-point of the three states.
@@R32R38 nah NYC metro doesnt hit PA. the philadelphia and NYC metros have a pretty short gap in the center of NJ but NJ gets really rural in the northern part around PA
@@sackofmonkeynuts Yes, now it does. The NYC region has expanded so much in the last decade and a half that Polk County, PA in the northeast part of the state is considered part of the metro area, and according to certain other sources, four other Northeastern PA counties are now part of the NYC metro area, though they're debatable. There's even been talk of officially labeling the region a Quad State area because of it. So, you're right for most people the region in earnest is really only NY, NJ and a small portion of CT. But PA has been slowly getting absorbed into the expanded urbanized area. (And of course you can verify this yourself online.)
Boston probably would be an interesting examination as well. Given the area is a relatively small geographic area, there are folks who commute from Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and even southern Maine to go into Boston every day to go to work. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are folks that live in northern Connecticut who do that commute too.
PA is too far from DC to be in the DMV. Jefferson County, West Virginia is part of the DMV. Adams, York and Lancaster counties, in part, can be considered part of metro Baltimore.
Portland and Vancouver are an amazing City to suburb relation with the difference of what each state has to offer. I've lived in both cities and they offer more living diversity to the region.
Up in the 51st state I live in Ottawa, Ontario, right on the border with Gatineau Quebec. The Ontario side has 76% of the the population of the Ottawa - Gatineau CMA, with the Quebec side having the other 24%
Apparently confusion about the two Vancouvers cause people to inadvertently cross into Canada. In one case 20 years ago, the border was shut down because a driver had a grenade in her glove compartment. It was reported her husband worked for the military. Authorities reopened the border and let her go after questioning.
The tax situation in Vancouver, Washington is really beneficial. You can have no income tax in Washington and do most of your shopping in Oregon to avoid sales tax.
And you can get your gas in either state depending on if you want to get out the car or not 😂
@@fl4ridaman True, to a point. One can pump their own gas in Oregon, or have the attendant do it. It's a duality.
When I lived in Oregon, if I bought something in Washington state I didn't have to pay sales tax.
The funny thing is that WA has no tax on food at stores so that is about the same on both sides, but if you order items online/Amazon/ebay to get that tax free you need a friend/family living on the Oregon side to collect the packages for you I guess? I am sure people do that, 10% is not a small amount for more expensive item. You buy a $1000 laptop online, can save $100, not bad. Restaurants/fast food is taxed of course in WA so for a nice bite to eat it might be worth driving over, but there are such nice restaurants like in Camas so would be missing out. Not that I eat out much, I make most food myself but every week or two we eat out mostly on the weekend.
You still have to pay the sales tax when you file your annual tax return
Definitely have to cover Charlotte, NC in the next installment. The largest city across state lines in SC, Rock Hill, is also the 5th largest city in the state of SC, so definitely a large population on both sides of the border. We even have theme park that spans both sides of the border and serves both halves of the metro.
You beat me in support of Charlotte
My friend lives in extreme southern Charlotte. And whenever I visit it’s really funny to me how the boundary between NC and SC seems so random and arbitrary. Just driving around we enter and exit each state multiple times. In fact, he actually works at SC, which is maybe 5 minutes away from his home in NC
To be completely honest, I'm shocked Charlotte isn't on this list. The differences between North Carolina and South Carolina have always had their biggest clashes in the Charlotte metro/Metrolina area, from everything from industrialization to the Civil Rights Movement to Covid.
@@stacyr2775 I definitely noticed a stark political differences in which state people move to in the area. People who lean left tend to move to NC while people who lean right tend to move to SC (especially Fort Mill/Tega Cay/Indian Land)
@@steveb7429 It's not so much the state line that's random and arbitrary as the roads 😆there's hardly a straight road anywhere in the area. They curve and wind so much you can easily end up criss-crossing the line. Although the state line does jog in a couple of places, and goes right through the middle of some neighborhoods.
Some Mexican/Canadian metros also blend in with some US ones, so you should talk about those (San Diego and Tijuana, Detroit and Windsor, El Paso and Juárez, Seattle and Vancouver)
The corridor between Seattle and Vancouver is sparsely populated
Was about to comment this! Seattle's doesn't quite reach into Vancouver like the other cities listed, but you could definitely include Niagara Falls (US & CA), Mexicali/Calexico, Matamoros/Brownsville, Reynosa/McAllen, and Laredo/Nuevo Laredo. Mexico's got a lot lol
@@thistamndypoit's also a pretty decent drive between the two. They ain't close. I think it's at least 2 to 3 hours right?
He said he was probably going to do a part 2 so he probably will discuss the international ones...but nevertheless I agree.
El Paso also applies to this list since it borders New Mexico
Fargo-Moorhead, Duluth-Superior, Omaha-Council Bluffs should be in part 2.
chicago's southeastern border is on the Indiana state line, also looking forward to NYC and Philly in part 2!
Chicago IS ON THE STATE LINE! I was born and raised in Hammond, Indiana, the far northern part of which is directly attached to Chicago! The extreme SE of Chicago is adjacent to Indiana.
Yeah there are way too many people who seem to think Chicago is further north than it really is.
I'm thinking he was thinking from the WI state line, which is like 40 miles. Hello from WI.
He mentioned Chicago. It doesn't fit his description of this vudeo.
@@mikel2887It's quite a hike. I worked in Kenosha for a bit... It's like an hour and a half to downtown Chicago
@@jimroscovius Yes, it *_does_* fit his description; Kyle was simply unaware of the fact that Chicago has a border with Indiana.
Probably not a big enough city to make the cut but I’d love to hear the King of Geography discuss my hometown Davenport, IA and the Quad Cities metro area!
if you watch his Illinois state profile video he mentions it
Yeah, surprised he mentioned Memphis which barely has people across the river
@@fudhater8592 But borders Mississippi on the same side of the river and there are more people there.
Already can’t wait for part 2! Wonder if El Paso and Texarkana will be on it 😄
Maybe....
saw the Tennessee Aquarium in the thumbnail and had to see you thoughts on Chattanooga, didn't realize you live there. I'm from Walker County GA!
I'm in DC but have a home in Walker County. Wife and kids are down there this weekend.
I like how Walker County has two very different sides with the folks on the mountain and then the folks in LaFayette. Great county for caving with Ellison's Cave having the deepest pit in North America and all the karst on Pigeon Mtn.
Great video! But at 0:58 you mention Chicago. The southwest Chicago city boundary is the Indiana state line. Lots of folks live in "the Region" and consider themselves part of the Chicago metro area, if not exactly "Chicagoland" itself.
I was thinking this, Northwest Indiana is definitely part of Chicagoland
I’m one of these people and my entire life I’ve never really viewed either area as really separate or different, NW Indiana just being an extension of Chicagoland.
Definitely need a part 2! Major cities like New York, Philly,
Chicago, El Paso, Virginia Beach, Charlotte, Reno, Providence, even Boston, and smaller ones like Savannah, the Quad cities, South Bend, Evansville, and Spokane
Tri-state metros with over 1,000,000 people should be separate states. 🗽
@@Steveofthejungle8 where does va beach metro go into another state?
@ North Carolina!
@@Steveofthejungle8 not really it's pretty rural once you reach the NC state line.
@@dvferyance Agreed. My search says that only about 1% of the total population of the metro area is in NC or about 18,000 people.
Definitely need to do Philly in part two, or go smaller for a Texarkana too. Great stuff, as always though! Then do an updated int'l version for El Paso, Juarez; San Diego, Tijuana; etc.
Calixico-Mexicali is probably the most interesting one in terms of population
I spent a weekend recently going between Cincy and Louisville for the first time (and hung out with some friends in southern Indiana as well), and changed state lines at least 15 times. It's crazy how you can easily do that there
Chicago, extends into SE Wi and NE Indiana. The title should read little known Metro areas that extend into other states.
Spectacular analysis Kyle. This is squarely in my wheelhouse of interest since I received a world almanac around age 10. Severe geography nerdiness ensued!
A Part II is a must, please!
Kyle, thanks! Found this very interesting. I look forward your next video on these cities.
Recently Sioux Falls has fallen into this category as well. It includes the South Dakota counties of Lincoln, McCook, Turner, & Minnehaha. As of July 2024 it now includes the Minnesota county of Rock.
Growing up in sioux falls it has been cool to watch the growth. Every year is a new border
Another thing with Arkansas with Memphis is that there's only two bridges across the Mississippi River and there's no alternative for a long distance. Traffic can get pretty bad on those bridges.
With regards to metros split across states, the split I find most interesting is Columbus, GA. It's the main metro I think of with a time zone split technically (but not practically). The most populous portion of the combined statistical area has also now switched to the state opposite to where the bulk of the metro area lives.
One of the first things you learn when you move to the Alabama side of the Columbus metro area is fast time and slow time. Phenix City and Russell County function on Eastern time, and the people and businesses follow suit, but Lee County stays on Central time since Auburn and Opelika are the main cities. Things start to get strange in between Smiths Station and Opelika as the people who function on both time zones overlap, so you start to hear people talk about fast time for Eastern time and Columbus or slow time for Central time and Auburn-Opelika. Sometimes even my smart phone can't keep up when I am in the area because it can't figure out if it is supposed to be on fast or slow time.
As the DC suburbs stretch south on i-95, there are some couples where one commutes to closer to DC and the other commutes to Richmond.
I Appreciate all the effort you put into these. Thanks, Kyle.
KC resident here. My wife has lived here her whole life, and there are still times she won't know which side of the state line we're on since the demarcation line is just a street. If you aren't familiar with the area, it can be easy to not realize when you've crossed the state line.
Good shout aht on Pittsburgh. Its influence is felt south to Morgantown, NW to Youngstown and to the west in Steubenville, OH & Wheeling, WV.
Omaha is in Iowa and Nebraska. About 1.1 million in the greater area
The twin cities metro does extend into Wisconsin. Hudson WI is considered a suburb.
St. Croix and Pierce Counties, so New Richmond, River Falls, Prescott along with Hudson.
It is amazing how fast those schools and cities are growing in that area.
Yes, but he's saying that neither Minneapolis nor St. Paul themselves are on the border with Wisconsin.
@@Compucles The cities themselves do not have to border the state for the metro area to spread into it. NYC does not border Connecticut but it's metro spreads into it.
@@dvferyance Watch the video again. He's only counting cases where the city itself forms part of the border. He then discusses the metro area but only if the city meets the initial requirement.
Although, New York City does count, but only due to its river border with New Jersey.
Darn, I was hoping for the CSRA. I've always been curious about this
Yes, please do a part 2! I'm thinking the Quad Cities, Texarkana, Omaha/Council Bluffs, Duluth/Superior, and NYC.
And maybe a separate one with metros on an international border: Detroit/Windsor, Sault Saint Marie MI/ON, Niagara Falls NY/ON, El Paso / Ciudad Juárez, Laredo / Nuevo Laredo, Calexico/Mexicali, and International Falls / Fort Frances
I find it interesting how many large cities bleed into Indiana. Chicago in the NW, Cincinnati in the SE, and Louisville straight South.
Crossroads of America is Indiana's motto.
Even Indiana's other large cities (not Indy) bleed into other states too. Fort Wayne into Ohio, South Bend/Elkhart into Michigan, Evansville into Kentucky
I always said the state of Indiana has at least 3 NFL teams; Bears, Colts, and Bengals.
@ It feels like it from a fan perspective. Indy is definitely still a colts city but go south and most people are bengals fans and anything north of Lafayette is bears fans
I really enjoy your videos Kyle. I love to learn 😊
Thank you!
great show
There are even a few interstate towns, including Anthony, Texas and New Mexico; and the ghost town of Glenrio, TX and NM.
I really enjoyed this video. Thank you. Your channel is always so informative, and interesting.
I’d like to see a part 2 with some additions of cross country lines metros. El Paso and Buffalo come to mind
Great job with KC.
Chicago is indeed on a state line. The city borders Indiana to the east.
really interesting! would love to hear about towns on country borders too 😊
I know people that live in Vancouver WA, everyone there does the bulk of their shopping in Portland so they have a win-win situation, no property tax and no sales tax!
That’s income tax they still have property taxes. The value of land in Clark county Washington is lower than the value of land on the Oregon side. Therefore their property taxes are usually lower for a comparable home. Many people moved from the Oregon side to the Washington side to reduce their taxes. The biggest problem for these people who live in Washington and work in Oregon is the traffic congestion on their commute. There are two bridges that span the river in the city and the traffic is the worst in the metro area. Everything is a balancing act and yes the Washington residents who work in Oregon pay Oregon income tax.
Please make another one of these videos so you can talk about New Jersey!!!😂
"May I suggest never underestimate the staggering drawing power of the Garden State, and next time purchase your ticket in advance" words to live by
North Dakota and Minnesota have 3! Those being Fargo-Moorhead, Wahpeton-Breckenridge, and Grand Forks-East Grand Forks.
Indiana side if Louisville here. The immediate suburbs next to Louisville are growing pretty steadily, and some sprawl is starting to reach areas that had been historically rural
I know it’s small, but I think Fargo-Moorhead could be a good one for a part two. There could even be some discussion on why every cross boarder North Dakota/Minnesota metro area (Fargo-Moorhead, Grand Forks-East Grand Forks, and Wahpeton-Breckenridge) is bigger on the North Dakota side.
Good video! I'll be curious if Bristol TN and Bristol VA will be on the next installment.
Definitely gotta do a part two and include charlotte, nc in that video
You should cover Texarkana!
Or Anthony. You can only toke up in one half of the city lol.
Did you know that when you drive from Detroit Michigan to Ontario, Canada that you're going South. When you enter Canada from the Ambassador Bridge. How crazy is that?
Columbus,GA and Augusta,GA are smaller metros that are split along state lines. You can almost say that Savannah's metro includes neighboring counties in SC with the Bluffton/Hilton Head Island area being within 30-40 minutes of Savannah.
Some other urban areas crossing state lines that are interesting:
- El Paso, TX-NM-Mexico
- New York, NY-NJ (CT is separate urban area per Census)
- Philadelphia, PA-NJ-DE-MD
- Hagerstown, MD-PA-WV-VA
- Omaha, NE-IA
- Fargo, ND-MN
Also lots of examples of international metros, like Detroit, or San Diego.
I can't believe you didn't cover Sioux City, IA, North Sioux City, SD, and South Sioux City, NE. The only metro area to directly cover three states!!
Bold shirt color today Kyle! I love it!
That's the most normal shirt I've ever seen him wear. 😀
A few Georgia cities are also border metros: Augusta (611K), Savannah (405K), and Columbus (329K). Would be interesting to see an analysis of those, especially with Augusta and Savannah both stretching into South Carolina.
Sioux City IA-NE-SD Metro is a small tri-state metro that's often overlooked!
Thank you
You could also do an analysis of border cities such as El Paso-Juarez; San Diego-Tijuana, etc. Nice job!
1:55 wow that house is a piece of work.
I've lived by the Mexican border in California and Canadian border in Vermont! Nice video!
The auto industry is big on both sides of the Detroit River. A few others have mentioned Windsor Ontario Canada in this thread. But please don’t forget that Jeep headquarters is across the Ohio line from the Detroit suburbs in Toledo.
From my experience living in Cincy, the main reason NKY is growing vs the Ohio side of Cincy is housing costs. There is significant development in the “outskirts” of NKY and you are still closer to downtown than a lot of developing suburbs in Ohio
Don’t forget that the big regional airport is in NKY.
Also probably closer to both Lexington and Louisville in a NKY suburb than you are to Columbus in at least the closer in parts of Cinci
Philadelphia has PA, NJ, DE, and some MD depending on how far you want to stretch. Tons of people in NJ and DE are in PA everyday
Always interesting. Looking forward to NYC. NY-PA-NJ-CT
The Bass Pro Pyramid. Nice
You should also do an honorable mention for Fort Smith, Arkansas, which is on the state line, with almost zero population on the Oklahoma side.
Bristol, Sioux City, Charlotte, Augusta, Fargo, and the Quad Cities would be good to cover in a next video. Fargo is a stretch though.
"The classic 'Welcome to Mississippi' deterioration of the roads." Kyle's sardonic captions never fail.
5:13 think that maybe Interstate BBQ was previously a Pizza Hut?
Love the new intro
I'm from St Louis. When I attended Mizzou in the early 1970's I had a roommate from Kansas City Mo, He lived off Ward Parkway, south of 86th St., two blocks from State Line Road. Missouri's drinking age is 21. In Kansas, you could by 3.2% beer at eighteen. My friend told me in high school, they'd cruise State Line. The Kansas side had a liquor store on every block. They'd buy beer in Kansas. Most times. as soon as they crossed back to Missouri, the police would be waiting for them. Unless they were fools, the worst that would happen was have their beer confescated. I frequently visited Kansas City, staying at my friend's family home. We'd cruise State Line and can attest there seemed to be a Kansas City police car parked on the Missouri side across from every liquor store on the Kansas side.
Not a thing anymore
My husband had surgery at the KU-Med Center, which is two blocks west of State-Line Rd. on 39th St.
That's not a thing, at least in the past 30 years. I lived in Brookside (kind of a streetcar suburb but within the city of KCMO). It's amazing how many times a week, or even a day you would cross back and forth between MO and KS. The gas tax is cheaper in MO, so most gas stations near the state line will be on the MO side. And State Line Road in the south part of the metro becomes a rather large arterial street with 4-6 lanes.
Mark it 0 Dude. No way, Mark it 8!
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Alright it's fuckin' zero you crazy fuck...
I use to live in the Indiana portion of the Louisville metro (Jeffersonville, IN). I think it is worth mentioning that most of the bridges over the Ohio River have tolls and all of the bridges are sort of a traffic bottleneck. If you have the option, I would definitely recomend living on the side of river where your job is.
Lol, I was getting all exited, thinking you were going to mention my city because Downtown Norfolk is about 20 minutes from the North Carolina border, but then you mentioned that exurbs don't count.😿 yah, Moyock, Elizabeth City, and Kitty Hawk are way out there and are probably far enough outside the event horizon that we might as well be Richmond to them.
Philadelphia City is right across the Delaware River from NJ, certainly a Tristate PA, NJ, DE, and extends to MD
New York and Philly are major ones, but I wonder if yoiu will consider San Diego-Tijuana as one
Try Bristol in Virginia and Tennessee. If you tell Google Maps to go from Bristol, VA to Bristol, TN, it tells you the distance is 3 feet.
I think it would be interesting to see the rate that each state grew since the suburb boom started.
You overlooked the sprawling metropolis of Texaco, NM. Pop: 900
They really cleaned up Stateline Rd in KC
Another issue with the DC area is that the housing stock and overall development tends to be newer in the Virginia suburbs vs. the Maryland suburbs. Other than the close-in areas like Alexandria VA, much of the Virginia suburbs really weren't developed until the '70s-80's or after, vs. much of the Maryland suburbs that were developed soon after WW II.
Very true. I confirm!
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Should’ve talked about Gresham, OR. I live here and it’s the second biggest city in multnomah county
My hometown Washington, D.C. , Maryland, & Virginia. Born in DC, I lived, worked, and went to school in both DC & the close counties in Maryland while growing up. Also worked in Northern Virginia and traveled there often!
Jersey City also lies on the state line, across the river from a theme park
"Let's start with Chatanooga, the metro where I live" Nobody ever said Geography King doesn''t have a bias!
Any chance you would include the inter-country metropolitan areas on part two? Namely Detroit and Buffalo/Niagara Falls.
Spokane - Courdalene is a good one for another video
A long time ago, I dated a girl, Robin, and her mother had a place in Michigan. The border with Indiana was a block away.
In your part 2, you should consider Detroit/Windsor
Interesting video - but want to point out a couple of errors in regards to the DC area. The metro DC area officially includes the 3 counties in the Eastern Panhandle of WVA and the MARC commuter train includes 2 WV stations - so it spans 3 states and DC. In addition, the MD state income tax also includes a separate additional tax that goes to the counties - the rate varies depending on county. "Local officials set the rates, which range between 2.25% and 3.20% for the current tax year (2023). So the income tax in MD is higher than just the basic state tax shown in the chart. That being said, the real property taxes tend to be higher in VA for several reasons - one of which is that the houses on the VA side tend to be more expensive. Also, VA has the much hated personal property tax (cars mostly) and MD does not have this. So, overall, I think the tax burden for the average family is about the same between VA and MD and DCs taxes are much higher - but, as you point out - a lot of high income people live in DC itself.
An interesting thing about Cincinnati is if you pass through coming from Indianapolis and take the bypass to the south and west (I-74 to I-275), you go from Indiana into Ohio, then back into Indiana before entering Kentucky. And you almost pass through Ohio again before crossing the Ohio River into Kentucky. The bridge over the river is maybe a quarter mile from the tri-point of the three states.
Newport on the Levi in Ky is the BEST place to view Cincinnati, the airport is even in Florence
How could you not include NYC? spans New Jersey, New York and Connecticut
And Pennsylvania to an extent.
@@R32R38 nah NYC metro doesnt hit PA. the philadelphia and NYC metros have a pretty short gap in the center of NJ but NJ gets really rural in the northern part around PA
@@sackofmonkeynutsPike County, PA is included in the NYC metropolitan area.
@@sackofmonkeynuts Yes, now it does. The NYC region has expanded so much in the last decade and a half that Polk County, PA in the northeast part of the state is considered part of the metro area, and according to certain other sources, four other Northeastern PA counties are now part of the NYC metro area, though they're debatable. There's even been talk of officially labeling the region a Quad State area because of it. So, you're right for most people the region in earnest is really only NY, NJ and a small portion of CT. But PA has been slowly getting absorbed into the expanded urbanized area. (And of course you can verify this yourself online.)
The region, sure, but does the city itself actually touch a state line? If not, it's disqualified.
How about the NYC, Boston, Chicago, Spokane, Charlotte, and Detroit metros?
I didn't think the Detroit metro made it into Ohio. That would be the Toledo metro area.
Boston probably would be an interesting examination as well.
Given the area is a relatively small geographic area, there are folks who commute from Rhode Island, New Hampshire, and even southern Maine to go into Boston every day to go to work. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are folks that live in northern Connecticut who do that commute too.
The DC-Baltimore metro area includes DC, MD, VA, WV, and PA. And borders Delaware. That’s 6 states (if you consider DC a state).
DC and Baltimore are not a part of the same metro area, DC has a totally separate metro
PA is too far from DC to be in the DMV. Jefferson County, West Virginia is part of the DMV.
Adams, York and Lancaster counties, in part, can be considered part of metro Baltimore.
What an absolute train wreck of morons in the comments, what's going on?
I enjoyed the video, looking forward to the possible part 2.
I had no idea Portland was that close to Washington!
Please recheck your Metro Chicago information. The city proper is also the state line for Indiana
Yes. Thank you for the correction.
Was wondering if there was a difference between the exurbs you mentioned and satellite cities
Portland and Vancouver are an amazing City to suburb relation with the difference of what each state has to offer. I've lived in both cities and they offer more living diversity to the region.
Nashville has expanded to Kentucky 35 miles away.
Gotta do Charlotte next
Up in the 51st state I live in Ottawa, Ontario, right on the border with Gatineau Quebec. The Ontario side has 76% of the the population of the Ottawa - Gatineau CMA, with the Quebec side having the other 24%
Apparently confusion about the two Vancouvers cause people to inadvertently cross into Canada. In one case 20 years ago, the border was shut down because a driver had a grenade in her glove compartment. It was reported her husband worked for the military. Authorities reopened the border and let her go after questioning.
Yay Louisville mentioned