The ground these stations sit on is soaked in cancer causing chemicals; from fuel leakages/spills - so it always amazes me when a station is sold, raised to the ground, and houses built on it; with no obvious removal of the contaminated soil.
@@stevehayward1854 I have seen the results of far too many bribes to have faith in that; when you see a site torn down and house building start almost immediately afterwards, you know the ground hasnt been decontaminated; and this was an OLD petrol station. Another - about 10 miles away was also rebuilt rather quickly; although, as I no longer passed it every day, I dont know what exactly was/wasnt done before building work started; the old, abandoned garage was there, then the next month, houses were being built.
Might depend where ... a petrol station near me was demolished back in the early 1990's. Contaminated soil was removed, and the site was left empty with multiple vent pipes sticking up out of the ground for the next 25 years before it could be built on. There wasn't any unusual spillage at the site. Local regulations are super cautious.
On a personal level my direct purchases of petrol products had dropped from around £140 a month ten years ago, to NIL this year. Multiply that by a million cars and the drop is noticable. In the town where I live there are 10 less petrol stations than there were 20 years ago.
Oil prices go up. People buy more EV’s. People use less petrol. This forces petrol companies to raise prices, which causes people to buy more EV’s. Petrol companies are in a death spiral.
We changed to an EV for our smaller car 18 months ago and thought it would do about 40% of our mileage. Reality is the EV is so good and cheap to charge at home that we are doing about 80% of our miles in it. Can’t afford to have 2 EV’s yet but the second we can we’ll be off ICE for ever. The writings on the wall and the Oil companies can see it. They know long term they have to transition to energy suppliers or they will go bust.
What is amusing is that they are going to sell 1000 sites & buy/build new ones??? Why Petrol stations are strategically place for best business. Which is exactly where the EV hubs need to be. Norway is a prime example. As petrol sales decline, they are removing pumps & adding chargers in their place. Not only that but many also have tables inside & sell food (Shell being one) so why are they messing around in the Uk. Or are they just playing the game leaning on politicians to get EV day moved back yet again. Seems that our leaders are leaning (all parties as bad as each other) with them, no doubt in the hope of a nice cushy seat on the board.
She'll could close all fuel stations it would make no different there's still loads of fuel stations around at better prices, Asda, BP, Esso, Tesco Coscot ....... It only takes 4 min to refuel anyway
@@jamesvandamme7786 I ve built my own EV it's not that simple you can cause a fire if you don't know what you doing There's allot of good people which use a granny charger while waiting for 7kwh Granny Charger Max power is 3000wh 13 Amps if you were to charge at this rate for 18 hours guess what would happen to your house electrics 🤔😳
Shell divested themselves of the Sullom Voe Oil terminal in Shetland a few years ago - when it eventually closes down they will not be on the hook for the clean up costs! Old petrol tanks are a liability because decontamination of redundant sites costs a lot.
Petrol/gas stations have been on the decline since the mid 1990's. However, the decline has drastically accelerated the last decade since EVs have come into the scene. That's why big oil bought out GM's EV1's technology and forced them to crush them all. After Tesla refused to sell out, they then got GM to make a cheap (to sell well) very slow charging EV to clog up the charging stations in America and slow EV adoption, but even that's failing now that Tesla is opening it's network in America.
Not exactly Alex. They sold only some of the ones they lease, not own, to MFG who run petrol stations but they are adding EV chargers as well. In time they will close down, just not yet
If you make just two, very reasonable assumptions - first that over the next 25 years, close to the whole world will move to 100% electric transport, and secondly, that 90% of recharging will, by then, be achieved overnight at home, and the current petrol/diesel refuelling infrastructure will become a massive game of Musical Chairs. Just 25% of the way down that path will knock the stuffing out of any SME ownerships; no industry can survive such a one-way and permanent market contraction as the one coming - globally. “Lack of charging infrastructure” was/is a problem on this side of the transition bell-curve, but “lack of refuelling infrastructure” is going to be a massive issue, on the other.
Home ownership isn't 90%. Also, these in flats and with no off street parking cannot charge at home. Who wants to spend hours out of every working week hanging around charging stations?
@@JimiHendrix-es4lv Oh Dead One, my prediction is that over the next 25 years, most home accomodation (not home ownership) will acquire some form of overnight charging facility. As for street parking, there are already a number of promising wireless charging prospects that could be embedded in street parking areas, plus the prospect of charging for many at work, for commuters. As for “hours out of every working week”, if a 2024 Tesla can already charge on a modern high-speed charger at 1000 mph, what do you think that this formula will look like by 2049? On current trends (pun intended) EV range and charging speeds will see most users charging just once a week, for 15 minutes, tops, if dependent on public chargers, and virtually all of that will be achievable while shopping - park at the shops, plug in, walk away; it will be literally easier than going to a petrol station is today.
If there is so much competition between ev charging companies why are they roughly charging the same price apart from tesla who seem to be the cheapest super charger
The word cartel springs to mind! If only we had a government that could take advantage of the freedom to set our tax rates outside the EU and set vat on public charges to 5 percent. That would help assuming the charging companies wouldn't trouser that money as well!
It does look like the tide is turning but Shell selling 1000 service stations is not as earth shattering as it seems. This is from an estate of 44,000 service stations worldwide - still a good sign....
You buy some, you sell some. That is real estate. But if anybody would pay for my very old service station that is now no longer in a premium location, I would be selling it as is. You really don't want to dig that up at your own risk. "There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world." Take it from a Norwegian. We are a bit ahead on this.
The expensive chargers will be next, instavolt at 85p a KW/hr is clown shoes pricing, so out of wack with even the normal high prices, they need a wake up call.
Nice one Dave, this is the future trajectory of things as I see them as well. The amount of disinformation to increase fear of EV's keeps people using their ICE cars longer and keeps supplying profits to their shareholders. If the misinformation had not arrived at the scale, EV's would have sold more. People think we are fanatical, well yes, but about saving money. £150 per month for fuel or just £15? I know which option I prefer. Servicing, my Audi was £450 to £550 per year. EV's do need some preventative maintenance and can be done for £150. Another saving. I love not visiting a petrol station. if I realise I only have 60 miles of range and want to go on a 100 mile trip next day, i would have to drive the 8 miles from my home to the petrol station, fill up, pay and drive home. That is not 5 minutes as people seem to claim. Instead I walk out of my house, unlock the charge port on the EV, plug it in and go back inside. 30 seconds and done! I know not everyone has a driveway and that is something the Goivernment should be looking at, a way for theses homes to be able to charge, with it linked to their home electricity account and paying the cheaper tariffs. Great EV's are now coming to the 2nd hand market as it was 4 to 5 years ago they started to make the over 200 mile any weather cars. My 3 year old Kia E Niro still has the same range as when new. after 27,600 miles.
The only two things that are obvious from your eco chamber like rambling is that you cannot afford an audi ev. And you are one of the idiots who are driving with 5 litres in the tank, and wasting time by only putting another 5 litres, because you will only go 50 miles tomorrow. All checks out.
I live in an apartment building with its own dedicated parking area. It would be illegal and unprofitable not to allow people to charge their cars there. Because Norway. 😇
Most of the people who live local to me will be on minimum wage and drive an 02, 06 or maybe a 12 plate car. If they buy another car it is going to have to be less than £1,000. Someone foolishly parked a Bentley in a local car park and had the entire front of it stolen. A neighbour has just brought a first gen Nissan Leaf but otherwise only the farmers can afford EVs around here. People are not afraid of EVs but simply cannot afford them or any new (as in less than about 6 years old+) car of any type. Oh if you think they service them then think again.
@@mbak7801 Since these people do not buy a single new car, they do not decide which way the car market goes. As the new cars are EV, after a few years, the old and cheap cars will also be EV. It started with that old Leaf.
@@mbak7801 EV's will eventually become cheaper but that is why they are not banning all ICE cars! I know some friends are in a similar position and have to rely on cheap motoring. it all depends what age of vehicle you buy to what is available. I like tyo give information and help those that are able to make a swap as it will save money. An extra £100 per month saved from petrol can allow others to have a better car if they pay monthly.
Crazy that uk infrastructure is mostly foreign owned - possibly because our overcomplex tax regime means that uk companies are over taxed and over regulated, whereas offshore companies avoid paying tax and stick 2 fingers up to regulation....
When SHELL sell gasoline station another owner is a new player. All the problem is that these gasoline stations need supply and refineries need crude oil which come from import. EV cars need energy on demand and if wind is not blowing and sun not shining EV's will rest. Petrol stations are on panic only when refineries work under capacity.
EVs do not depend on the sun shining and wind blowing. There is massive energy overcapacity. Even EVs themselves will form part of the energy balance with V2G. I charge at night with cheap excess energy so no solar there. I am getting a night storage battery in a few days to push cheap excess power into the daytime when my solar system is shaded and solar battery empty. It is complicated and EVs are part of the solution not a problem.
Hmm! If the change to evs and other electric based energy why the need for the massive ev subsidy (business, leasers etc). Then there is the charger subsidy. Then there is the demand for 'VAT subsidy' for 'public charging. When the ev number balance increases, the same as now requiring a profit on investment and or massive subsidy. Time of use? Only cheap if supply exceeds demand. Charging evs, home heating, transport at night will change the demand profile and costs will adjust. Against evs- not at all where it suits the user. Bullying and coercion NO. Smart meters when it suits the consumer without blackmailing energy suppliers. ICE cars in numbers and price without government coercion. Avoid dependence on China (and India) Like your channel Dave and can put up with the 'enthusiastic' presentation. Cheers!
Yes all good and well, but people are not using public chargers because they are so expensive. Why pay more than 10 times the price at a public charger when compared to charging at home overnight tariff or free from solar during the day. I only use public charging once in a blue moon and splash and dash the absolute minimum charge to get me home again in emergencies.
if the oil giants are serious they are going to have to reduce their prices to Tesla Supercharger levels, currently they are around half the rest of them, 75-85p prices are around or more expensive than diesel, I have used the others once in the last two years of owning our Tesla, once Tesla open all their stations to all EVs they are in trouble.
Wheh EVs are gone what vehicles will be used in rescue work in floods, bushfires, tornado, cyclones etc when the first thing is power outages over a wide area. If your house catches fire & the Fire Brigade will attend in 4 hours when their truck finishes charging you would probably regret no ICE trucks
What makes you think the idle truck in the fire station isn’t plugged in and charged to 100% all the time? All you have to do is think about it mate, it’s not difficult.
How much power will these chargers suck from the grid? Where does that power come from? Will you not charge on Earth day? Is it more cost per mile than Petrol/Diesel? If debris damages the battery on my second hand EV , will it cost more than the vehicle or will I have to sell a kidney and my first born child? Can you guarantee elec and insurance wont go through the roof?
We are currently building out Liquified Natural Gas infrastructure. Mark my words, the hydrogen car push is so we can stay stuck on LNG even longer. It's all rubbish, don't buy into LNG, expand solar and wind installations and expand trains.
and lets remeber thanks to china EV prices are are coming down and fast (in car terms) MG just announced big drops in Australia for example. So always said economics of EV's and renewables will just prove the winner. For example on ocoptus agile this weekend had something like 18 hours free or nearly free energy. of course topped up my MG4 etc
currently my solar is exporting 3KW over past hour, thats revenue for me and no need for the house to get off the grid and battery (5KW) topped up in the free period.
I am still on a very lengthy waiting list to get another Powerwall installed. But of course, certain people will tell you, there’s no demand for this sort of thing. They’re the ones paying through the nose for everything but at least it only takes them five minutes to fill up their car which makes it all worthwhile.
yes indeed but time will move on fast. It appears a Chinese battery maker is going to build a gigafactory in coventry, they supply BMW amongst others @@ouethojlkjn they movement is unstoppable and think the naysayers are going to find very quickly a shortage of stations not EV chargers. What we need is of course Tesla like pricing across all the EV infra but that will come. then the govt have to go to road pricing tax system. Can;t put duty on electric !!
umm you do know during the WW2 that the germans had to rely on sythentic oil and gas. It is kinda an old tech it is just more expensive than taking it out of the ground.
First time I've heard EV charging as lucrative. If it was so lucrative, surely there'd be a lot more around the country. I heard, elsewhere, that a lot of the thousand will be in China.
Yes, it is lucrative, but far too many including oil companies legacy auto believed if they ignored EVs they would go away. Now they accept they are here to stay, just look at the number of EV chargers being installed, over 4,000 ultra-rapid this year alone. Even the supermarkets are installing thousands over the next few years
A 15 min video, watched at 2X speed - So a 7 min clip with 2mins mins or so of adverts without any skip capability. Much more of that & I'll go elsewhere...
@@chrishar110 I understood content owners decide whether they will allow mid-roll ads. It's a fine line between making production worthwhile vs losing users
Why do you have to break it into petrol heads and EV people. We are drivers. If EVs are better then people will buy them. I don't try to persuade people to buy an EV. Solar and home batteries are a total waste of money. It would take me 20 or more years to get my money back and by that time they will need replacing. Heat pumps when I looked into it, were expensive and my oil fired boiler costs way less to run. They don't tell you this when trying to sell them. If I invest the cost of a heat pump, batteries, and solar panels into something as low as a Building Society account I will have made in 20 years over 70,000 in interest, and I could easily double that if I invested wisely BEAT THAT HEAT PUMP BATTERY, SOLAR.
I remember 60 years ago, how expensive a diesel or gas boiler was. We had free woods back then. You just needed a good meal and go to the near forest to cut a tree. You could buy 10kg of coal with a few pennies. And they asked us to get a new boiler. Everybody laughed.
This is pure wishful thinking. As I have said before my small town already has two petrol stations in it but their locations are a pain. An oil company has costed out building a brand new petrol station, on a new site, and completed it a few months ago. I used it this morning (painful cost compared to my EV). It was needed. There are slowly more EVs locally but most are giant expensive models I suspect powered by large farm solar arrays. Many streets are victorian terraces with no off road parking and no front gardens to park on. A few local chargers are super expensive and spend most of the time unused. Petrol stations are going to be around for a long time. I would love to see charge posts everywhere but I live in the real world as do people living in my town, often driving ICE cars between ten and twenty years old. An EV is just a pipe dream.
I suspect you live in a fairly small place, right? If I'm right the change hasn't hit you... yet. If you want to see what your future is going to look like, take a good look at what's happening in major cites. Especially place like London, Paris, Berlin, etc., Those places are always the first to see innovation. Their citizens will swallow all the hard lumps, of the learning curve, and you will benefit from the solutions those places innovate.
It is pretty much inevitable, but it takes time. A new ICE car sold today may still be filling up at one of the few remaining service stations with liquid fuels available in 20 years. That service station will probably have loads of chargers and two pumps around the back for dinosaur juice.
I don't live right by the sea or river with my own dock at the bottom of the garden. Does that mean I cannot ever have a yacht? Or do you believe you should ban all yachts because I don't have a private dock and I can't afford to keep it in a marina? Is that your argument?
@@jimthain8777 London is 10% of the population sucking up who knows, maybe 30% of resources. It is a super privileged area. ULEZ also means loads of EVs being purchased and the older cars going to the provinces to pollute there. I have worked in London on what was stupid money. It is not innovation just somewhere where money more or less grows on trees.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 For an EV charging station to be viable it must have a large and rapid turnover of customers. That means a large area of land. Twelve petrol pumps is an area not economic for fast chargers even with a shop. In 20 years time sadly I suspect it will still be pumping petrol as there will still be a need. Even if new EVs can charge in only 10 mins will they be available for sub £1000 and will they be suitable for return journeys to the nearest decent supermarket of 40 miles?
Oil company's make vast amounts of money err from selling oil. Now EVs have come along that, oh my do not run on petrol or diesel, which as we know is made from oil. Now oil company's will do anything to keep oil profits rolling in. One way would be to take control of as many EV charging points as they can. Then set the price for the electricity so high its actually cheaper to run an ICE car. Result they make money from overcharging for the electricity and slow down the sales of those EVs. Win Win for the oil company's.
That's where competition comes in. Tesla charging isn't owned by an oil company. If their price is cheaper, everyone is going to them. The oil companies know this because that's what happens selling gasoline. The station with the lowest price always gets swamped.
Competition especially from Tesla will keep that under control, especially when the vast majority of chargers are not owned by oil companies and when the vast majority of EV owners charge at home
There’s no money in EV charging yes there used between 1100 and 1400 whilst people lunch and maybe between 1700 and 1800 for a quick top up to get home but really is 500kWh at 80p a kWh £400 per charger a day a worthwhile return in the investment. Only 650 motorway charges and 880 Tesla chargers will get anywhere near 5 hours a day usage.
Sorry Toby but your figures are totally made up and fictitious. There is no such thing as an EV with 500kWH battery most are below 50kWh meaning £40 and remind me how much it costs to fill your petrol tank hee hee
@@davetakesiton never said there was a 500kWh EV. Dave I said that on average roadside chargers are in use less than 5 hours a day, delivering a generous figure of 100kWh. You constantly say that you can charge when ever you want . I pass chargers that are used on lunch breaks and the early evening the rest of the time they lie idle. Delivering 500kWh to 5 cars or more (depending on battery size)a day if their lucky is a turn over of £400 a day or £200 (Tesla) a day. You have made many videos about how you avoid this time because it’s the busiest. Don’t know what the electricity supply cost, installation, ground rent is but there is no profit in it. Your only storing 65% of the energy you put in to your battery gave a look at the recent Tesla 100mile battery scans. Total energy in is far more than stored.
@@davetakesiton Dave I never said there was 500kWh EV. I said that I observe chargers that are used 1100 until 1400 and then again around 1700 until 1800. The rest of the time they lie idle. Being generous and at 100kWh for 5 hours a day the turn over for the chargers I see in use is £400 a day £200 a day Tesla. There isn’t a lot of profit if any in the charging network. You have made videos showing this and how with out of peak planning you never have a problem charging. There is one public charger for every 20EVs on the road most can never have commercially reclaimed the initial investment.
@@davetakesiton I run my car for £1200 a year but when you take in to account the extra standing charges and increased tariff for household electricity then your electricity is costing £600 a year more. So yes I agree an Ev is cheaper to run but not by as much as you would believe and the under 10,000 miles you might do better if you used the 21p per kWh on a standard tariff. Now that would be a video worth doing for the EV community.
I know you're a propagandist, Dave, but you're going a bit overboard with it now. Joseph Goebbels would gaze on in admiration. Your zealotry is prolific, you can't be doing this for fun, who is paying you?
They are not the total answer to global warming but are a crucial part of the total remedy to reduce Co2 levels and more importantly pollution on our city streets
Since the conversion to LED street lighting there is masses of spare power, in the lighting system and grid. National grid estimated enough for 2 million EV'S. As the need for less and less petrol etc, there will be masses of power left over from that. If we stopped refining oil for petrol etc, there would be enough electricity for all cars converted to Electricity th-cam.com/video/BQpX-9OyEr4/w-d-xo.html
@@stevehayward1854 Are you insane? That is not true. The previous sodium lamps also used very little energy though the LED lights use even less.But anyway the UK population has increased since LED lights began to be installed.
@@Withnail1969 I am only quoting the National Grid and LED are far more efficient than sodium lamps, thats why they took over suddenly, as Councils saw the savings
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This video is all over the place and you’re just rambling!
Sadly, I have to agree.
The ground these stations sit on is soaked in cancer causing chemicals; from fuel leakages/spills - so it always amazes me when a station is sold, raised to the ground, and houses built on it; with no obvious removal of the contaminated soil.
You will not get a building permit until Environment Health passes the site as safe
@@stevehayward1854 I have seen the results of far too many bribes to have faith in that; when you see a site torn down and house building start almost immediately afterwards, you know the ground hasnt been decontaminated; and this was an OLD petrol station.
Another - about 10 miles away was also rebuilt rather quickly; although, as I no longer passed it every day, I dont know what exactly was/wasnt done before building work started; the old, abandoned garage was there, then the next month, houses were being built.
Might depend where ... a petrol station near me was demolished back in the early 1990's. Contaminated soil was removed, and the site was left empty with multiple vent pipes sticking up out of the ground for the next 25 years before it could be built on. There wasn't any unusual spillage at the site. Local regulations are super cautious.
On a personal level my direct purchases of petrol products had dropped from around £140 a month ten years ago, to NIL this year. Multiply that by a million cars and the drop is noticable. In the town where I live there are 10 less petrol stations than there were 20 years ago.
Oil prices go up. People buy more EV’s. People use less petrol. This forces petrol companies to raise prices, which causes people to buy more EV’s. Petrol companies are in a death spiral.
We changed to an EV for our smaller car 18 months ago and thought it would do about 40% of our mileage. Reality is the EV is so good and cheap to charge at home that we are doing about 80% of our miles in it. Can’t afford to have 2 EV’s yet but the second we can we’ll be off ICE for ever.
The writings on the wall and the Oil companies can see it. They know long term they have to transition to energy suppliers or they will go bust.
Lucrative EV charging....yet ASDA is getting rid of them....
I didn't even know they did them. Still their new owners have a huge network of petrol stations so it seems like they're doubling down
What is amusing is that they are going to sell 1000 sites & buy/build new ones??? Why Petrol stations are strategically place for best business. Which is exactly where the EV hubs need to be. Norway is a prime example. As petrol sales decline, they are removing pumps & adding chargers in their place. Not only that but many also have tables inside & sell food (Shell being one) so why are they messing around in the Uk. Or are they just playing the game leaning on politicians to get EV day moved back yet again. Seems that our leaders are leaning (all parties as bad as each other) with them, no doubt in the hope of a nice cushy seat on the board.
Don't book a hotel room on the higher floors Dave, the oil industry can be quite ruthless!
The electric grid won't be able to handle the increase in EV's on the road.
Not true, use Google !
She'll could close all fuel stations it would make no different there's still loads of fuel stations around at better prices, Asda, BP, Esso, Tesco Coscot ....... It only takes 4 min to refuel anyway
Takes 10 seconds to plug in at home
@@jamesvandamme7786 I ve built my own EV it's not that simple you can cause a fire if you don't know what you doing
There's allot of good people which use a granny charger while waiting for 7kwh
Granny Charger Max power is 3000wh 13 Amps if you were to charge at this rate for 18 hours guess what would happen to your house electrics 🤔😳
@@niceboy60*7kW
What if the Fire Tricks have just come back from a big job ? Bad luck then
Seconds matter in a house fire, I have had one
Shell divested themselves of the Sullom Voe Oil terminal in Shetland a few years ago - when it eventually closes down they will not be on the hook for the clean up costs! Old petrol tanks are a liability because decontamination of redundant sites costs a lot.
I completely agree with you Simon just another get out of responsibility move by the oil giants
This is a ridiculously under-subscribed channel, I love your videos! Helps that I agree entirely. Keep up the excellent work!
Funny with the quality I found here, I never thought it was a small channel I always thought it was a big channel until you make me check right now.
Was your remark that OPEC is a Car-tel a deliberate pun?
Calling OPEC a cartel is not controversial, at least. It is pretty much the textbook definition of a cartel.
E've said it before, my viewers spot things I don't expect
Petrol/gas stations have been on the decline since the mid 1990's. However, the decline has drastically accelerated the last decade since EVs have come into the scene.
That's why big oil bought out GM's EV1's technology and forced them to crush them all. After Tesla refused to sell out, they then got GM to make a cheap (to sell well) very slow charging EV to clog up the charging stations in America and slow EV adoption, but even that's failing now that Tesla is opening it's network in America.
Morrisons supermarkets have sold all their petrol sites recently.
Not exactly Alex. They sold only some of the ones they lease, not own, to MFG who run petrol stations but they are adding EV chargers as well. In time they will close down, just not yet
Cheers Dave
Afternoon mate
If you make just two, very reasonable assumptions - first that over the next 25 years, close to the whole world will move to 100% electric transport, and secondly, that 90% of recharging will, by then, be achieved overnight at home, and the current petrol/diesel refuelling infrastructure will become a massive game of Musical Chairs. Just 25% of the way down that path will knock the stuffing out of any SME ownerships; no industry can survive such a one-way and permanent market contraction as the one coming - globally. “Lack of charging infrastructure” was/is a problem on this side of the transition bell-curve, but “lack of refuelling infrastructure” is going to be a massive issue, on the other.
Home ownership isn't 90%. Also, these in flats and with no off street parking cannot charge at home. Who wants to spend hours out of every working week hanging around charging stations?
@@JimiHendrix-es4lv Oh Dead One, my prediction is that over the next 25 years, most home accomodation (not home ownership) will acquire some form of overnight charging facility. As for street parking, there are already a number of promising wireless charging prospects that could be embedded in street parking areas, plus the prospect of charging for many at work, for commuters. As for “hours out of every working week”, if a 2024 Tesla can already charge on a modern high-speed charger at 1000 mph, what do you think that this formula will look like by 2049? On current trends (pun intended) EV range and charging speeds will see most users charging just once a week, for 15 minutes, tops, if dependent on public chargers, and virtually all of that will be achievable while shopping - park at the shops, plug in, walk away; it will be literally easier than going to a petrol station is today.
Nice one Dave.
The BP (Oil Giant) charging App still doesn’t send a security confirmation code to set up the account….
If there is so much competition between ev charging companies why are they roughly charging the same price apart from tesla who seem to be the cheapest super charger
The word cartel springs to mind! If only we had a government that could take advantage of the freedom to set our tax rates outside the EU and set vat on public charges to 5 percent. That would help assuming the charging companies wouldn't trouser that money as well!
It does look like the tide is turning but Shell selling 1000 service stations is not as earth shattering as it seems. This is from an estate of 44,000 service stations worldwide - still a good sign....
You buy some, you sell some. That is real estate. But if anybody would pay for my very old service station that is now no longer in a premium location, I would be selling it as is. You really don't want to dig that up at your own risk. "There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world." Take it from a Norwegian. We are a bit ahead on this.
A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
@@jimthain8777 Yep - very true 🙂
Another You Tuber mentioned this. He stated it was a thousand stations but spread worldwide. Mainly China. What and who to believe?
A thousand sites out of the UK total of 8000... Thats a large %
The expensive chargers will be next, instavolt at 85p a KW/hr is clown shoes pricing, so out of wack with even the normal high prices, they need a wake up call.
Nice one Dave, this is the future trajectory of things as I see them as well. The amount of disinformation to increase fear of EV's keeps people using their ICE cars longer and keeps supplying profits to their shareholders. If the misinformation had not arrived at the scale, EV's would have sold more. People think we are fanatical, well yes, but about saving money. £150 per month for fuel or just £15? I know which option I prefer. Servicing, my Audi was £450 to £550 per year. EV's do need some preventative maintenance and can be done for £150. Another saving. I love not visiting a petrol station. if I realise I only have 60 miles of range and want to go on a 100 mile trip next day, i would have to drive the 8 miles from my home to the petrol station, fill up, pay and drive home. That is not 5 minutes as people seem to claim. Instead I walk out of my house, unlock the charge port on the EV, plug it in and go back inside. 30 seconds and done!
I know not everyone has a driveway and that is something the Goivernment should be looking at, a way for theses homes to be able to charge, with it linked to their home electricity account and paying the cheaper tariffs. Great EV's are now coming to the 2nd hand market as it was 4 to 5 years ago they started to make the over 200 mile any weather cars. My 3 year old Kia E Niro still has the same range as when new. after 27,600 miles.
The only two things that are obvious from your eco chamber like rambling is that you cannot afford an audi ev. And you are one of the idiots who are driving with 5 litres in the tank, and wasting time by only putting another 5 litres, because you will only go 50 miles tomorrow.
All checks out.
I live in an apartment building with its own dedicated parking area. It would be illegal and unprofitable not to allow people to charge their cars there. Because Norway. 😇
Most of the people who live local to me will be on minimum wage and drive an 02, 06 or maybe a 12 plate car. If they buy another car it is going to have to be less than £1,000. Someone foolishly parked a Bentley in a local car park and had the entire front of it stolen. A neighbour has just brought a first gen Nissan Leaf but otherwise only the farmers can afford EVs around here. People are not afraid of EVs but simply cannot afford them or any new (as in less than about 6 years old+) car of any type. Oh if you think they service them then think again.
@@mbak7801 Since these people do not buy a single new car, they do not decide which way the car market goes. As the new cars are EV, after a few years, the old and cheap cars will also be EV. It started with that old Leaf.
@@mbak7801 EV's will eventually become cheaper but that is why they are not banning all ICE cars!
I know some friends are in a similar position and have to rely on cheap motoring. it all depends what age of vehicle you buy to what is available. I like tyo give information and help those that are able to make a swap as it will save money. An extra £100 per month saved from petrol can allow others to have a better car if they pay monthly.
Tesco are using Osprey near me at the bargain price of 79p/kwh
Crazy that uk infrastructure is mostly foreign owned - possibly because our overcomplex tax regime means that uk companies are over taxed and over regulated, whereas offshore companies avoid paying tax and stick 2 fingers up to regulation....
EV= Soylent Green
“EVs are People!?” Well perhaps in the case of an intelligent self driving Tesla 😅
When SHELL sell gasoline station another owner is a new player. All the problem is that these gasoline stations need supply and refineries need crude oil which come from import. EV cars need energy on demand and if wind is not blowing and sun not shining EV's will rest.
Petrol stations are on panic only when refineries work under capacity.
EVs do not depend on the sun shining and wind blowing. There is massive energy overcapacity. Even EVs themselves will form part of the energy balance with V2G. I charge at night with cheap excess energy so no solar there. I am getting a night storage battery in a few days to push cheap excess power into the daytime when my solar system is shaded and solar battery empty. It is complicated and EVs are part of the solution not a problem.
What makes you think the new owner will necessarily keep using the site to sell liquid fuels?
If you care to check, refineries are not only under capacity, but they’re being shut down completely.
REAL ESTATE !!!!! WE ARE BRITISH.
Hmm!
If the change to evs and other electric based energy why the need for the massive ev subsidy (business, leasers etc). Then there is the charger subsidy. Then there is the demand for 'VAT subsidy' for 'public charging. When the ev number balance increases, the same as now requiring a profit on investment and or massive subsidy.
Time of use? Only cheap if supply exceeds demand. Charging evs, home heating, transport at night will change the demand profile and costs will adjust. Against evs- not at all where it suits the user. Bullying and coercion NO. Smart meters when it suits the consumer without blackmailing energy suppliers. ICE cars in numbers and price without government coercion. Avoid dependence on China (and India)
Like your channel Dave and can put up with the 'enthusiastic' presentation.
Cheers!
Yes all good and well, but people are not using public chargers because they are so expensive. Why pay more than 10 times the price at a public charger when compared to charging at home overnight tariff or free from solar during the day. I only use public charging once in a blue moon and splash and dash the absolute minimum charge to get me home again in emergencies.
if the oil giants are serious they are going to have to reduce their prices to Tesla Supercharger levels, currently they are around half the rest of them, 75-85p prices are around or more expensive than diesel, I have used the others once in the last two years of owning our Tesla, once Tesla open all their stations to all EVs they are in trouble.
Wheh EVs are gone what vehicles will be used in rescue work in floods, bushfires, tornado, cyclones etc when the first thing is power outages over a wide area.
If your house catches fire & the Fire Brigade will attend in 4 hours when their truck finishes charging you would probably regret no ICE trucks
What makes you think the idle truck in the fire station isn’t plugged in and charged to 100% all the time? All you have to do is think about it mate, it’s not difficult.
How much power will these chargers suck from the grid? Where does that power come from? Will you not charge on Earth day? Is it more cost per mile than Petrol/Diesel?
If debris damages the battery on my second hand EV , will it cost more than the vehicle or will I have to sell a kidney and my first born child?
Can you guarantee elec and insurance wont go through the roof?
We are currently building out Liquified Natural Gas infrastructure. Mark my words, the hydrogen car push is so we can stay stuck on LNG even longer. It's all rubbish, don't buy into LNG, expand solar and wind installations and expand trains.
The next big thing after EVs are 'drone type' flying cars as transport.
Definitely stick with my 32 year old petrol car
and lets remeber thanks to china EV prices are are coming down and fast (in car terms) MG just announced big drops in Australia for example. So always said economics of EV's and renewables will just prove the winner. For example on ocoptus agile this weekend had something like 18 hours free or nearly free energy. of course topped up my MG4 etc
currently my solar is exporting 3KW over past hour, thats revenue for me and no need for the house to get off the grid and battery (5KW) topped up in the free period.
@@ianrob4760 Solar panels are a great way to energy independence, I have an EV and it's a great combo with my Solar Panels
I am still on a very lengthy waiting list to get another Powerwall installed. But of course, certain people will tell you, there’s no demand for this sort of thing. They’re the ones paying through the nose for everything but at least it only takes them five minutes to fill up their car which makes it all worthwhile.
yes indeed but time will move on fast. It appears a Chinese battery maker is going to build a gigafactory in coventry, they supply BMW amongst others @@ouethojlkjn they movement is unstoppable and think the naysayers are going to find very quickly a shortage of stations not EV chargers. What we need is of course Tesla like pricing across all the EV infra but that will come. then the govt have to go to road pricing tax system. Can;t put duty on electric !!
So what will come after EV's?
umm you do know during the WW2 that the germans had to rely on sythentic oil and gas. It is kinda an old tech it is just more expensive than taking it out of the ground.
First time I've heard EV charging as lucrative. If it was so lucrative, surely there'd be a lot more around the country. I heard, elsewhere, that a lot of the thousand will be in China.
Yes, it is lucrative, but far too many including oil companies legacy auto believed if they ignored EVs they would go away. Now they accept they are here to stay, just look at the number of EV chargers being installed, over 4,000 ultra-rapid this year alone. Even the supermarkets are installing thousands over the next few years
@@davetakesiton you live a dream
A 15 min video, watched at 2X speed - So a 7 min clip with 2mins mins or so of adverts without any skip capability. Much more of that & I'll go elsewhere...
Adverts? Why did you choose to watch adverts?
Use brave browser on your phone and computer, no ads no pop ups no fuss
Blame You tube and Google, they control the ads, not the video producers.
@@chrishar110 I understood content owners decide whether they will allow mid-roll ads. It's a fine line between making production worthwhile vs losing users
Why do you have to break it into petrol heads and EV people. We are drivers. If EVs are better then people will buy them. I don't try to persuade people to buy an EV. Solar and home batteries are a total waste of money. It would take me 20 or more years to get my money back and by that time they will need replacing. Heat pumps when I looked into it, were expensive and my oil fired boiler costs way less to run. They don't tell you this when trying to sell them. If I invest the cost of a heat pump, batteries, and solar panels into something as low as a Building Society account I will have made in 20 years over 70,000 in interest, and I could easily double that if I invested wisely BEAT THAT HEAT PUMP BATTERY, SOLAR.
I remember 60 years ago, how expensive a diesel or gas boiler was. We had free woods back then. You just needed a good meal and go to the near forest to cut a tree. You could buy 10kg of coal with a few pennies. And they asked us to get a new boiler. Everybody laughed.
This is pure wishful thinking. As I have said before my small town already has two petrol stations in it but their locations are a pain. An oil company has costed out building a brand new petrol station, on a new site, and completed it a few months ago. I used it this morning (painful cost compared to my EV). It was needed. There are slowly more EVs locally but most are giant expensive models I suspect powered by large farm solar arrays. Many streets are victorian terraces with no off road parking and no front gardens to park on. A few local chargers are super expensive and spend most of the time unused. Petrol stations are going to be around for a long time. I would love to see charge posts everywhere but I live in the real world as do people living in my town, often driving ICE cars between ten and twenty years old. An EV is just a pipe dream.
I suspect you live in a fairly small place, right?
If I'm right the change hasn't hit you... yet.
If you want to see what your future is going to look like, take a good look at what's happening in major cites.
Especially place like London, Paris, Berlin, etc., Those places are always the first to see innovation.
Their citizens will swallow all the hard lumps, of the learning curve, and you will benefit from the solutions those places innovate.
It is pretty much inevitable, but it takes time. A new ICE car sold today may still be filling up at one of the few remaining service stations with liquid fuels available in 20 years. That service station will probably have loads of chargers and two pumps around the back for dinosaur juice.
I don't live right by the sea or river with my own dock at the bottom of the garden. Does that mean I cannot ever have a yacht? Or do you believe you should ban all yachts because I don't have a private dock and I can't afford to keep it in a marina? Is that your argument?
@@jimthain8777 London is 10% of the population sucking up who knows, maybe 30% of resources. It is a super privileged area. ULEZ also means loads of EVs being purchased and the older cars going to the provinces to pollute there. I have worked in London on what was stupid money. It is not innovation just somewhere where money more or less grows on trees.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 For an EV charging station to be viable it must have a large and rapid turnover of customers. That means a large area of land. Twelve petrol pumps is an area not economic for fast chargers even with a shop. In 20 years time sadly I suspect it will still be pumping petrol as there will still be a need. Even if new EVs can charge in only 10 mins will they be available for sub £1000 and will they be suitable for return journeys to the nearest decent supermarket of 40 miles?
Tesla will snap them up and build chargers and plush coffee shops.
Oil company's make vast amounts of money err from selling oil. Now EVs have come along that, oh my do not run on petrol or diesel, which as we know is made from oil. Now oil company's will do anything to keep oil profits rolling in. One way would be to take control of as many EV charging points as they can. Then set the price for the electricity so high its actually cheaper to run an ICE car. Result they make money from overcharging for the electricity and slow down the sales of those EVs. Win Win for the oil company's.
That's where competition comes in. Tesla charging isn't owned by an oil company.
If their price is cheaper, everyone is going to them.
The oil companies know this because that's what happens selling gasoline.
The station with the lowest price always gets swamped.
Competition especially from Tesla will keep that under control, especially when the vast majority of chargers are not owned by oil companies and when the vast majority of EV owners charge at home
There’s no money in EV charging yes there used between 1100 and 1400 whilst people lunch and maybe between 1700 and 1800 for a quick top up to get home but really is 500kWh at 80p a kWh £400 per charger a day a worthwhile return in the investment. Only 650 motorway charges and 880 Tesla chargers will get anywhere near 5 hours a day usage.
Sorry Toby but your figures are totally made up and fictitious. There is no such thing as an EV with 500kWH battery most are below 50kWh meaning £40 and remind me how much it costs to fill your petrol tank hee hee
@@davetakesiton never said there was a 500kWh EV. Dave I said that on average roadside chargers are in use less than 5 hours a day, delivering a generous figure of 100kWh. You constantly say that you can charge when ever you want . I pass chargers that are used on lunch breaks and the early evening the rest of the time they lie idle. Delivering 500kWh to 5 cars or more (depending on battery size)a day if their lucky is a turn over of £400 a day or £200 (Tesla) a day. You have made many videos about how you avoid this time because it’s the busiest. Don’t know what the electricity supply cost, installation, ground rent is but there is no profit in it.
Your only storing 65% of the energy you put in to your battery gave a look at the recent Tesla 100mile battery scans. Total energy in is far more than stored.
@@davetakesiton I half filled my ICE car today at £42, my EV costs less than £3 to half fill it. Ouchhh.
@@davetakesiton Dave I never said there was 500kWh EV. I said that I observe chargers that are used 1100 until 1400 and then again around 1700 until 1800. The rest of the time they lie idle. Being generous and at 100kWh for 5 hours a day the turn over for the chargers I see in use is £400 a day £200 a day Tesla. There isn’t a lot of profit if any in the charging network. You have made videos showing this and how with out of peak planning you never have a problem charging. There is one public charger for every 20EVs on the road most can never have commercially reclaimed the initial investment.
@@davetakesiton I run my car for £1200 a year but when you take in to account the extra standing charges and increased tariff for household electricity then your electricity is costing £600 a year more. So yes I agree an Ev is cheaper to run but not by as much as you would believe and the under 10,000 miles you might do better if you used the 21p per kWh on a standard tariff. Now that would be a video worth doing for the EV community.
Garbage post by battery controlled robot.
I know you're a propagandist, Dave, but you're going a bit overboard with it now. Joseph Goebbels would gaze on in admiration. Your zealotry is prolific, you can't be doing this for fun, who is paying you?
Sorry, Godwin's law. You lose.
Wooo!! Controversial... Dave says EVs are not the answer.... 😂😂😂
They are not the total answer to global warming but are a crucial part of the total remedy to reduce Co2 levels and more importantly pollution on our city streets
How much are you getting paid to promote this propaganda?
Other channels get paid from big oil companies that make records on profits every year. You are in a wrong channel.
EV charging is not lucrative and there is no spare power for it.
Tesla makes a profit and they buy and sell loads of electricity; never let facts get in the way of a good headline
@@davetakesiton They make a loss on the chargers which often don't work at their maximum capacity if they work at all
Since the conversion to LED street lighting there is masses of spare power, in the lighting system and grid. National grid estimated enough for 2 million EV'S.
As the need for less and less petrol etc, there will be masses of power left over from that. If we stopped refining oil for petrol etc, there would be enough electricity for all cars converted to Electricity
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@@stevehayward1854 Are you insane? That is not true. The previous sodium lamps also used very little energy though the LED lights use even less.But anyway the UK population has increased since LED lights began to be installed.
@@Withnail1969 I am only quoting the National Grid and LED are far more efficient than sodium lamps, thats why they took over suddenly, as Councils saw the savings
Cheers Dave