Units of History - The Sacred Band of Carthage DOCUMENTARY
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In this history documentary we continue our Units of History series by taking a closer look at the famous Sacred Band of Carthage. In other videos we covered the War Elephants of Carthage, the Numidian Cavalry, and the Balearic Slingers.
The documentary begins with an overview of the history of Carthage and the evolution of the Carthaginian Army. The Punic state began as a small Phoenecian colony in North Africa with forces of citizen soldiers who very much resembled eastern troops. Next came the rise of Carthage. As the city of Carthage grew so too did its army which appears to have also become more well equipped. The army of Carthage was soon deploying its own heavy hoplite infantry, cavalry, and even chariots on the battlefield in its conquest of the Mediterranean. At the same time however, Carthage also began to hire mercenaries and raise auxiliaries which slowly replaced its native forces. This trend continued until the army of Carthage was primarily composed of foreign troops. However Punic men still served in the army as officers and cavalrymen. Some citizens still served in the infantry and it appears that it is from this last remaining bastion that the Sacred Band of Carthage emerged. Its name actually comes to us from the ancient Greeks who compared it to the Sacred Band of Thebes.
Next we discuss the military equipment of the Sacred Band of Carthage which included richly decorated armour and weapons. We then turn to talk about their training and tactics as well as their service history which included participating in the Punic-Sicilian Wars against the greeks. While we don't have evidence of them participating in the Punic Wars against the Roman army, it is possible that they were present during the 3 invasions of africa and therefore would have fought in the Battle of Zama and the Siege of Carthage.
#History
#Carthage
#UnitsOfHistory
Research: Vaughn Fenton
Script: Vaughn Fenton
Narration: Guy Michaels
Production: PentaLimited
I wanted to clarify to everyone that our historical sources are very limited for this subject and much of the video has to rely on speculation. For a deeper dive into the details of what is known/unknown I recommend you check out this article: www.ancientworldmagazine.com/articles/punic-sacred-band-clearing-up-confusion/
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I don't believe that they don't mention Xanthipus from Sparta!! And his mercenaries from Greece!!! that reorganize the whole Carthaginian Army against the Romans !!
I like how you made a effort to make your graphics as historically correct like with the sea port
I like to also add you should read books like, *Hannibal* by: _Theodore Ayrault Dodge_ The best Historians are military historians because they are precisely to the point, and zero to no fluff or embellishment of actual facts.
Phalanx soldier: "But I'm left-handed."
Carthaginian General: "Yeaaaah, I'm gonna need you to be right-handed."
“Put him with the javelin units”
They should have a unit composed of left handed men on one flank. Ovelap it a bit so there is no gap.
If would be very stupid for any city state to accept some left-handed falangists or for any citizen to even start to train with the left hand.
It just wouldn't work.
You're a citizen who's left handed? Then go and train until you become right-handed. 50% of the phallanx combat style was just staying in formation anyway, 30% was about putting your left shoulder behind the shield and push forwards and 20% of actualy thrusting with your spear.
And even then, in a combat between phallanxes, the loses during the main "melee" were always meager.
It wasn't until one side broke the other's line when the corpses started to ammount.
Imagine a "secret" band of Carthage that consists of left-handed Phalanx soldiers.
You can learn to use your right-hand is you’re left-handed, take it from a southpaw
The Punic War were basically a fight between the guy who wants to multiclass into a bunch of different classes and the guy who picks one class and becomes really good at one thing.
The sacred band : Bringing style to your local battlefield
Sacred Band of Carthage: "For honor and fashion, CHARGE!!!"
They were DRIPPING compared to their enemies
@@albertonavarro8904 Hell yeah gotta give it to the carthaginians they had good style
Especially those attractive mini skirts.. That’s a good look for a STRIPP….”SOLDIER”… 🤷♂️🤷♂️😂🫶
Invicta: *raising an army is not like flipping a switch*
You hear that CK II?
*point a middle finger with my raiding levy*
24k levies in stacks of 462 levies around your empire with 0 moral
It's a "well yes, but actually no" situation
CK2 simulates calling up the Fyrd and other semi-standing reservist armies I think. Plus the tribal cultures where it was expected every man who could, brought some fighting skill. It was these tribal militias that the Romans had their successes against. Additionally in the Chinese model for a while (I forgot which dynasty they were most pronounced) there were military farming colonies crewed by soldier-farmers whose main job was to be ready, and whose second job was to grow food to sustain themselves during peacetime, to cut down the costs of having a reservist army.
The CK2 model is not entirely without merit.
@@m.thorton9305 Tribal retinue is the best.
Bannerlord: Just recruit every prisoner you find lmao
Ah Sicily, the Afghanistan of the Mediterranean.
If it wasn't for Sicily's very high economical and social develolpment (at the time) your comparison would make sense.
@@zanzao-1ps318 The point is that it is a place that is often fought over. Economic disparity doesn't matter.
@@ElBandito Yes you're right
you mean Poland of XX cent
hey come on now,I'm sicilian and ..well .now..ahh ..you're right ..lol
I love your presentation style so much! Your artwork is absolutley gorgeous! You're a huge inspiration to me!
Thanks man! Love what you are doing on the channel by the way and its great to see another user of Wonderdraft! Been actually a huge fan of that program for my DnD campaign
Invicta Thank you! I appreciate you saying that so much. Yes Wonderdraft is an absolute dream of a program! I’m really fortunate to have discovered it before posting my 1st video.
Agree.
@@InvictaHistory please do more ,iberian troops and gauls
@@HistoryExplained Yeah damn, instant subscribe from me. Also the guy doing the voiceover sounds like Henry Cavill's older brother or something.
Most armies: “Our people fight as one!”
My mount and blade army: 4:04
Lol. That can't be more correct
To be fair, it's more efficient to just upgrade all units of certain type at once as they use shared exp pool and it increases faster with more units, plus in Warband training skill gives more exp when their level is low.
Carthage is one of the most underrated Military powers of Antiquity. I feel like most don’t do them justice and not even Total War Rome does them justice. Yes it’s true they hired mercenaries but so did everyone. They didn’t have an over reliance on them, they often had a lot of Ally’s more than anything. Rome would have you think carthage were just rich barbarians who hired a bunch of mercenaries to do their fighting which isn’t true. Like I said what we know of carthage is what Rome wanted us to know. And they had a burning hatred for them not because they deserved it but because Romans were the epitome of prideful arrogance and what do you do to the only adversary that truly ever rivaled you? Defame them and wipe them from history. What we do know is Hannibal brought Rome to its knees defeating the Largest army it ever fielded. Ever. And out of honor didn’t sack Rome because he figured he’d give them an opportunity to surrender. And it was that decision alone that set in motion Romes eventual triumph over carthage. A part of me looking back just as a spectator of history would have wanted Carthage to win just so we could know more accurately about them. But I really appreciate this channel really trying their best to speculate in a positive light and fill in those gaps. I really Love of how they depict and portray the sacred band in this video. I love the intricate tattoos and body paints a long with the jewelry and intricate clothing. I wish Total war would have tried a bit harder with the look of Carthage.
carthage was so rich they could hire entire armies to fight their battles for them which was insane!
@@The_Dodge_Meisterthat was basically any greek citystatw
@RexOedipus. They can't compare to the scale that carthage could field with their wealth. Greeks were to busy squabbling.
can you do a topic about the silver shields?
working on some research
@@InvictaHistory love the history ty for vids. :)
they where silver and shielded people from other unwanted objects.
sirBrouwer if ur not joking, he meant the seleucid pikes
@@bloo6639 I was being cheeky.
Whenever I see the Sacred Band i always assume it's the Spartan-conquering Theban one. I always forget the Carthage Sacred band. Thanks for the video.
mentioned at 6:33 :]
Play Rome Total War!
Clearly you don't play Total War..lol
@@VL1975 Actually I've sunk about 500 hours into TWR2 but I never play as Rome or Carthage, just the Greek/Successors or barbarian tribes. I do remember seeing a Carthage Sacred band a long time ago but most of the time when I play a campaign Carthage is usually wiped off the map before they get anywhere near a threat level to my Greeks or Gauls/Germans/Brits. Western Africa and Spain are never really a big issue.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw sacred band.
I Tyre of hearing Carthage's origins reiterated.
You are about to start 4th *Pun*ic War.
Reityreted
. . . .well done 👏
@@claudiocucinotta2097 Carthago Delendo Est!
@@dubuyajay9964 *Laughs in Gothic*
I came in wondering what kind of music this band played and I still don't know.
Good question. I heard they have copyright troubles with Thebans.
Haha
We don't know, because apparently the lyrics were so violent, they made opposing bands run away, and thus they were immediatly censored when Carthage disappeared.
But apparently being the lead singer of the Sacred Band was quite an honour.
@RavnDream Don´t even start with Alexandrias. We have city/river called Kemi in Finland. Egyptian had something similar. And I shit you not, we had one overzelous guy in mid-19th century, who actually tried to prove connection between Finns and Egypt. Not any ramblings, mind you. He wrote and published books about that.
Needles to say, he was laughing stock of other historians and writers.
@RavnDream You are in luck, there was facsimile reprint of his three book series SUOMEN KULTAINEN KIRJA I-III (Yes, the title is in all caps in book. It means "Golden book of Finland.") The guy whom I did occasional jobs in his bookstore made reprint of II. Holy crap, it´s even more wackier than I remembered.
This was time of intense fennomania, because they were fighting for rights of Finnish language. Russians tried to impose Russian, Swedish speaking tried to block Finnish to be recognized as official language.
Sorry, enough rambling, the guys name is S. Wettenhovi-Aspa. Couldn´t find his first name in the book, just initial. He is not so well known as others of his time
like J.L. Runeberg or Elias Lönnrot.
Can you talk about architecture and houses of carthage.
Agree!
Ah yes, the everday life in acient era
I think its time to talk about economy topics in ancient and modern times.
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YES
I remember when this channel was one guy doing total war rome 2 battles, its come a long way since then!
Alright folks, what units of history do we cover next?!
the cretan archers maybe
shotel warriors were they as brutal as they are potrayed in rome 2?
silver shield infantry
The Roman army of the dominate or the Byzantine period perhaps?
Janissaries
6th punic-sicilian war: ends*
Carthage: oh no, I'll never use civilian again
7th punic-sicilian war: *starts
Cathage:... Oh well
Carthage: **kills 1/10th of Rome's male population in Cannae**
Rome: We need more citizens in the army, they can't kill us all
Lost 2.500 citizen army in a battle...
Carthage: Great shock, pledge to never use its citizen army again...
Meanwhile:
During 1st Punic War
Rome lost its fleets to storm, 3 times.
Rome: Rebuilt it everytime...
2nd Punic war, lost tenths of thousands of men to Hannibal..
Rome: Ehh, we can spare some more legions...
Maybe you guys can cover the Scholae Palatinae, another bodyguard unit that served with the famous Varangians in Byzantine Empire
You guys should cover Varangians in near future.
Kings & Generals has a video about the Varangians.
Kings and generals did a pretty good video about them some time ago alas i do agree id like to see Invictas approach on the varangians
The story of the first contact between Norsemen and the Byzantine navy is pretty cool. These vikings with their excellent shipbuilding skills were used to the easy pickings of Britain and Ireland when suddenly, they encounter Roman warships armed with napalm (greek fire) in the Black Sea. It inspired a lot of respect for the Byzantines in the eyes of the Norseman, and a prosperous working relationship was born.
Haven't Kings and Generals done this already?
Kievan Rus mercenaries
Ottoman janissaries, Genoese crossbowman, Armenian cavalry, Hussars
But which Hussars ? Winged Polish, Napoleonic French, Imperial Austrians or some other ?
@@Cancoillotteman winged polish by far have the most interesting history, they were at the siege of Vienna and Grunwald
@@frankn2152 At Grunwald? I hope you don't mean the battle of Grunwald against the Teutonic order but some later unknown one... 😂
For sure the Winged Hussars
@@Cancoillotteman original Serbian Hussars, they inspired all others and were the most elite part of the Hungarian army after the mediavel fall of Serbia
Orks: painting it red makes it fasta!
Carthaginians: Bring out the Blingbling battalion!
I remember reading that the sacred band was literally pushed into the river at the battle of Crimissus. They were the first to cross and was engaged by the Syracuse phalanx and by literal weight of numbers drove them into the river where they drowned.
16:23 I got goosebumps imagining this. Men who stood their ground in the face of defeat while their allies ran.
Heroes,in the truest sense of the word.
You must have so much strength to stand there watching thousands of soldiers charging at you to your doom
@@hadrianwall9157 shame rome destroyed the city and punic people
@@ozgurpeynirci4586 yeah, I hear ya.
Dude I love Carthage. I wish the Republic could have have become as strong as Rome and that it could have become an Empire itself. Such a shame it fell because of greedy fools.
I am always in aw of the map drawing of Carthage. It's so lively. Maybe a interesting item as merch. I know i would buy one to have one as my pc background. I often just pause your video just to look at it.
in this video it's even better as you first show a older version of Carthage and then the later version where you still can see the items of the older version. (you see buildings being constructed in the first version that are still there later complete.)
Persian War Elephants or Persian Archers as they are both respected and feared among Romans
Imagine not being a band of gay men, this post was made by the Theban sacred band
BROTHER, I AM PINNED HERE!
Imagine not being a band of rich dudes
This post was made by the Carthaginian s sacred band
Imagine not being kingmakers
This post was commissioned by a member of Praetorian Guard
I misread and thought; gay "TALIBAN" sacred band 😉😁
That's a myth
they remind me a lot of modern special forces. The gear, training, they needed to be mentally tougher. etc. love the video
When your shield is so well decorated that you barely want to use it in battle.
Oh shoot. I thought you were talking about the Sacred Band in Greece, had no idea Carthage had one as well
I swear I read Funk Cavalry, hype was high for a moment.
Maybe the 'Sacred Band' is a moniker given to them as they like the Thebian Sacred band fought and died to the last man against Alexander.
It glorifies the enemy and hence enhances the glory for the Victor who will be compared to Alexander. A very frequent trope in ancient history.
An army where the wealthiest fight on the front lines? What a concept!
So they are basically elite hoplites
A glorified elite crew
Almost on par with spartan hopiltes which were the most elite of the world.
A Sacred Band of elite hoplites.
What do you think was the best unit in all history ? The Roman legion ? The hopolites? Or any other foot troops ?
@@michaelweston409 the Chinese disagree with your statement.
The "Peek Population" typo is a bit hilarious since the Carthaginian symbol looks like an eye peering into something.
The symbol is Tanit, the goddess of war :)
Beautifully presented! Love you guys and your work. I always eagerly wait for your releases here. 🙏❤️👍🏼
Absolutely fantastic !!!
What a great job you guys do on this...
His name escape's me like the way he fled from Carthage, but if I remember correctly;wasn't there a Greek general who helped drill and train the Carthaginian's citizen army?
Yeah Xanthippus of Sparta. He was a mercenary commander in the first Punic war that helped Carthage beat back Rome’s African invasion
@@diacles4702 Thanks for the response, I felt like he was Spartan but just couldn't remember his name for the life of me. I love how he decided that Punic politics weren't for him and snuck out the back-gate late at night.
Great video, you guys are making realise that there's so much more to Carthagenian history than I previously thought. Have you considered covering Caesar's German bodyguard?
You do an amazing job! Your account and naration is second to none! I am stuck here in Seattle, Wa downtown snow storm! It absolutley sucks but your videos are making it much better thanks!
Thank you for the research, compilation and elegant script. The nice artwork is formidably and efficiently educational.
I would love to see a video on the Carthaginian harbor. I have seen it depicted as an integral part of the city so many times but have not heard much discussion of how it functioned.
u can see it in google earth today btw
I love this series, it's so well produced, thank u guys
Great effort! Thank you!
Excellent documentary video, thanks!
Love this video! Will you be talking about the Comitatenses units next? I am really interested in seeing that unit be covered as that was arguably the last time the Roman Empire saw truly professional soldiers.
4:07 those miniatures would make a very nice collectable! 👌
This series is absolutely fantastic, Please keep the videos coming, Best channel ever. 😍😍😍
I love this new style and voiceover work for these ancient and classical descriptions
Sacred Band is the equivalent to Navy Seals in Supreme X Louis Vuitton camo print
If you haven’t already, would it be possible for you guys to make a video going more in depth on the mercenaries that Carthage filled their ranks with?
This page is my most recent subscription and by far my most favorite. I watch at least three videos everyday and I'm just infatuated with the content
Great video Thank you
How is it that Carthage fell so quick/early on with walls like that but Constantinople's Theodosian walls held out for 1000 years? Constantinople/the Byzantines were surrounded by people salivating to take the city for almost their entire existence and it literally takes the development of canons to finally breach them.. Was it because the Theodosian walls were tiered? Bigger/taller? Carthage's walls and the way the city and walls were situated and everything looks very similar to Constantinople.. Of course, Carthage didn't have the Golden Horn and the big chain... But still... I don't understand why Constantinople held out so long but Carthage didn't - and it happened 1600 years earlier so I'm assuming siege equipment wasn't as developed... but I guess neither was construction techniques/technology...
@david edbrooke-coffin Yeah, I guess it's a much different situation when it's Romans attacking the walls.
@david edbrooke-coffin Indeed
@@Blalack77 Because the Byzantines were better equiped and fought against less beter equiped Turks and Arabs.The Carthagians lost surely because of corrupt politicians and maybe simply because Rome has a warrior culture.
Great artwork!
I think other history channels will copy it.
Keep up the good work✊
The content and presentation quality of this video are OUTSTANDING!
Absolutely love this channel!!!
OH YES! I love this story! I can’t believe that a movie hadn’t been made about it.
Interesting. Can you do more Unit videos like this? Perhaps one for the Romans? Esp Late Empire(but before the collapse of the Western Empire), because few people know how they were equipped and trained and what the army consisted of; Vegetius speaks of the Pilum having been replaced by the Plumbata a kind of short heavy throwing dart that served the same function as the pilum but they could carry many more; the Pilum didnt go away it was still issued to light infantry and certain other troops(medium infantry, which they did have at this point) but the plumbata was the ranged weapon the legions used the heavy infantry. Also the switched to using Spears as their primary weapons and rounded shields showing a huge change in tactics a more defensive approach.
And do some Greek army videos. I'd like to hear about the army of Antiochus and the antigonid dynasty. And the armies of Seleucis and his sucessors and so on. A early - late midldle ages byzantine empire infantry video would be interesting too, since we mostly only hear about the elite cavalry cataphracts of the Byzantine empire their multipurpose horsemen who were archers, lancers/spearmen/shock cavalry, and could also fight on foot if needed. The more unknown time periods of the great Empires of our history that would make a good video. Training and main battle tactics included not just where they were recruited from.
Excellent video!
These Units of History episodes are fantastic!
☝️😁👍 please keep them coming 🙏
Can you make a video about the Greek influence on the Carthaginian army? The Sacred Band of Carthage is a part of this, cause were hoplites and hoplite warfare is a Greek invention and especially the elite 300 hoplites was a Spartan and after Spartan a Theban invention.
But I would like to see the Greek influence on the Carthaginian army overall.
In the whole type of units and especially in the Xanthipus army.
Also, there is some question about the Greek type of units into the Carthaginian army that I would like from you to answer.
1) When do Carthaginians start to use hoplites and Greek tactics?
2) How those Greek-style Carthaginian units were combined with the other units of the Carthaginian army, like swordsmen mercenaries. Were hoplites on the center and the swordsmen on the flank?
3) Did Carthaginians used pikemen too and when?
4) Had Xanthipus hoplites and/or pikemen against Roman, when he beat them?
5) Had Hannibal hoplites and/or pikemen against Romans?
6) When Carthaginians stoped to use hoplites and pikemen?
Thank you.
1)Carthage adapted to hoplite warfare in wars on Sicily against Syracuse.
2) Their use varies from battle to battle. On Trebia, Hannibal placed hoplites in the center. On Cannes, hoplites were on the flanks.
3) No, only hoplites.
4) He had hoplites.
5) Hannibal had no pikemen
6) Carthage used hoplites pretty much until the end in 146 BC.
@@sauromatae9728 technically they had pikemen but they were macedonian mercenaries plus didn't xanthippus also encourage the use of the sarissas
I would LOVE an episode about Siracuse and their empire.
Excellent content, as always.
Awesome animation with the shields @ 13:43
These videos are great, thanks @invicta
Shame the sacred band never seemed to have won any battles though.
The Sacred Band almost wiped all of my Roman armies in the battle of Zama.
great vid as always
Good effort put on production, keep it up, always in support
4:46 carthage never came close to a population of 750,000. contemporary scholarship puts their absolute population peak (spelled with an a) at 500,000 circa 300 BC. after the first Punic war, this population likely declined; Chandler puts Carthage at around 200,000 residents circa 200 BC, while other scholarship says that they may have had that many or more simply with their free male population circa 243 BC. regardless, much less than 750,000.
Yeah the lads. Who here played Rome total war?
Rise of the Republic is so much fun!
"Last night, the crying of children kept me awake..."
@@MAN_FROM_BEYOND but hoplites coukd be recruited in 1 turn. sacred band needed 2. also needed lvl4 temple
@@sauromatae9728 I like the Macedonian/Seleucid Shield Bearers. Absolute tank of a unit
Thank you very much for your effort
Amazing history lesson. Thank you very much. It really comes alive with special thanks to the commentator in flawless British! Job well done.
The concept of a “National Guard” style of military unit or force has remained largely the same as what we here in the USA since the days of the Revolution war with the British. The greatness of our military might lay not in our active duty military, but in the fact that we have more military gear, vehicles, and otherwise munitions and military forces packed away in the backwoods of the bowels of our nation than most countries can possibly fathom, and those boys and girls would be fighting for their own homes quite literally, and that adds an entirely different perspective and dynamic to the fight than it does when our military troops are fighting against an enemy in a place that they have no desire to fight for in a place where they do not want to be in the first place!!
Cowboy history
This is my FAVORITE unite in rome total war 2,and in general.
Great work
Very cool, thanks for making this video.
Units of history parthian levies. The ones that cant even withstand a peasant charge.
actually in rome 1 in stand ground were a quite good unit
You mean the same ones that absolutely demolished Hellenic and Roman forces .. again and again
@@eaglecondor6754 I think that was cavarly
@@eaglecondor6754 I think they mean the pajama warriors of Rome 2 lol.
@@calebcampbell9280 rome 1 is the meme
Hello! Can I ask who does your illustrations? Is it possible to see their other artwork?
WoW....again with another great video. I really liked the part with the animated man standing next to a large rock with the different items that a sacred band member would have worn.
Great video!!
Maybe at some point you could do shaka zulus impi warriors?
Yes, there are some of us still around!
You guys taking applications?
@@baalhadad6297 Always! Accepting most North Africans and Lebanese officers at the moment. We just don't have the funding at the moment to get any major war elephants so we are going to settle for juiced up horses. Applications open November 10, good luck!
@@thesacredband5504 you have my sword xD
@@thesacredband5504 I carry both North African / Lebanese genes. Where do I apply!?
Great vid
Daaaam very nice video guys, keep going a good job
Good video, never really head of the sacred band of Carthage, I'm assuming next up is the sacred band of Thebes?
yeah but more homosexuality.
@Austin Thekkanath Play Rome Total War!
@@weirdofromhalo I was about to say! Lol. Bad ass looking unit in that game.
The Punic army is a prime example of tge saying that's attributed to Alexander the Great:
"An army of sheeps led by a lion is better than an army of lions led by a sheep."
This is absolutely fantastic content
Awesome work year after year
Invicta, i absolutely love your videos man. Esp the ones on Carthage. Keep up your fantastic work:D
Thanks! We've got a ton more episodes on the social history of Carthage coming up too!
Thebes: "Ha! Gaaaayyy!"
i see what you did there :D
@Silmarillion Tolkien ._.
@Silmarillion Tolkien is it though?
Wrong Sacred band champ. The Theban Sacred band were Greeks. Carthage is in Africa.
A great video as always. I would like if you could continue with the Carthaginian army and talk about the Libyan, Gallic and Iberian mercenaries.
I never think that you "attempt" to bring any history back to life.
You just do it,and you do it well.
"Over 600 historical accurate tanks."
*Laughs in Type 59/Patton*
Can you do a video on the Roman Cataphract?
Thought I was cool knowing about the 3 Punic Wars. Now I find out there were at least *7* Punic-Sicilian Wars!
Thank you!
Can anyone please point out the name of the drums music that starts at the beginning of the video? Thanks.
Never ceases to amaze.
Excellent video, great narrator!
Great presentation and artwork! Suggestion - the Mongol Keshig