Doesn't seem to be much interaction in the comment section anymore on these videos but I'll say what I think anyway. One thing that frustrates me about people analysing Ten Hag this season is that they expect a modern attractive style of play from Ten Hag while Evans, Casemiro and Maguire are our main CB's. They can only play a deep defensive line due to lack of pace. Then what? Oh apparently, Ten Hag should have changed things so we play a more defensive style and sured up the weak defence. So which one is it? Implement his own playing style of attractive high-pressing Dutch style football? Or sure up defensively and play more counter-attacking? Something United managers have been lamented for in the past few years. What is the solution because NOTHING is being offered?
Sure All that is correct but you can't play a counter press with a low block thats why the midfield gets overrun, You need to shorten the distance between your frontline and defence, this is coaching 101
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn Think he said counter press. Not counter attack, they are different. One is about attacking as directly as possible after winning the ball, the other is about pressing directly after losing the ball to turn the ball over in a more advantageous position.
@@christaylor9656 Yeah I know what the differences are. I just misread the comment. Thanks for pointing it out though. To be fair I thought it was a bizarre comment that made no sense. At least now it makes sense.
One thing Southgate could do is actually fix the terrible culture, like he did for England. No point in adding more players to that dressing room until you've done that. Remember, Southgate inherited a team that lost to Iceland and got to the WC semi finals 2 years later.
Gian Piero Gasparini He’s been phenomenal at Atalanta in the 8 years he’s been there, turning them from a club who continually bounced between Serie a and b to a club who qualify nearly every season for the champions league despite spending very little. I don’t think he’d win you a title at Utd for a few years, but he would certainly get them a top 4 position consistently and make far more astute signings than Ten Hag.
Last year - manager designs tactics around team of misfits to focus on results - "he has no style of play" This year - manager introduces his original style of play that people were calling for him to be fired for after two games because the team couldn't and still can't play comfortably with the ball (missed passes and possession errors are not coaching issues - these are quality issues) Ten Hag is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. He's brought us to three finals in two seasons, 3rd place finish in league and to champions league. The whole team has had a disaster season. But there is hope in youth. Look at the young players being brought in and coming through. Look at how ETH has influenced youth teams (a goal he set out on arrival) There's no upgrades on the market. Keep him for another 6 months and let him have a fit team with an improved background team and culture. And get rid of the deadwood and bloated wages.
I hope Man Utd do sack him because we could really use him back at Ajax, though with our current situation that might not work out either. The entire structure of the club that was in place when Ten Hag was here has disintegrated, and we've yet to find out whether the people we've just put in place will manage to bring back some semblance of organization. And it's this lack of organization that is exactly what I think is failing Ten Hag at Utd, as it has doomed many other managers with proven track records that have joined the club over the past decade. There's a reason Van Gaal advised Ten Hag not to go to Utd after all, and I'd say he's been proven correct... Even with Ten Hag having an excellent first season, there were already a few issues with his management, mostly off the pitch, which have exacerbated now that this season hasn't delivered the desired results. Most importantly his transfer dealings, as signing Antony for 100 million was the stupidest move he could've made. Casemiro, while good in his first season, was also too much of a short term option for Man Utd's project even if he had still been good this season or manages to recover next season. Then this season Mount, Amrabat and Onana not delivering on expectations is not a good look for Ten Hag's transfer record. And if I could've seen it coming based on only 1 out of 5 signings that were made largely on Ten Hag's input working out at Ajax, Man Utd should've seen it coming as well, and should've ensured other more capable people were in place to handle transfers instead. Then there were the Ronaldo- and Sancho-situations, which were not necessarily Ten Hag's fault, but were exacerbated by the coarse way he can come across. With Ronaldo being a crybaby in that embarrassing interview, he came out of it on top, but when his relationship with Sancho broke down similarly, I don't think his handling of either situation is looked back on as fondly now. Had someone higher up been able to handle these situations before they got this out of hand, I think that would've helped Ten Hag as well. I'm not going to say I'm certain Ten Hag would've succeeded had this structure been in place when he'd arrived, and I don't know if he's the right man for the job from this point onwards, but even if he isn't I think it's important Man Utd puts the structure needed to succeed in place first before thinking of hiring another manager and starting the same cycle all over again.
I love the excuses for Tuchel "Even at Bayern munich he went to a club where there's so many changes above him, and he didnt get the players he wanted to get". And actually leads Bayern to their first trophiless season in 12 years. Yet you absolutely ROAST ETH. Who won a trophy last season and is still in a final. Well done on double standards.
I do sort of agree, but at the same time, Tuchel won the league last season in his first season and in his second season the "drop off" is finishing 2nd to a Leverkusen side that have (to this point) gone unbeaten in all competitions and managed to get to the Champions League semi finals compared to Ten Hag falling to 8th in the league and going out bottom at the group stages in the Champions League in a very easy group. Ten Hags real mitigating circumstances are the sheer amount of injuries that United have had this season, but even then, for a lot of people the biggest issue with him is that two years in there's still no signs of a clear style of play. Ange, Howe, De Zerbi and Poch have all seen their squads decimated with injuries/absences throughout the season but all of their teams still have a clear identity in how they play. The only identity United seem to have is that they're porous and allow nearly 20 shots at their goal every game.
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig and you thinking changing one person is going to reverse that or change it? And who are you changing that to? And how are you going to afford that? And would you choose Ten Hag if he was still at Ajax? And what team do you know has succeeded in your lifetime when the owners announce that virtually the whole first team is for sale and we've had 65 seperate injury cases this year? Please enlighten me because if you have the answer to fix all these issues with ONE PERSON, then you should be Owner, CEO and fill every other senior personel position at Man Utd
Difference is Bayern haven’t been a mess. Yeah they didn’t win the league for the first time in ages but Leverkusn are having a record breaking season.
Like what is ten Hag supposed to do with so many injuries barely any CBs for most of the season and bearly even a 1st team. I think he deserves more time under more structure. You guys can't even give suitable replacement for ten Hag. Guys how many times are we going to rotate managers with no long term commitment
"barely any cb for most of the season" maguire and varane have both played half of our games, lindelof and martinez have played games too, stop making things up
talking abt how other managers have had difficult years w injuries but dont give eth slack for injuries, recruitment, and backgroujd stuff like Antony case, the new owners, Sancho,
We are so open in EVERY game. When you don’t have your best personnel, you have to be a bit more conservative in the way you play. Yet, he plays the same way no matter who’s available. That’s on him, not the players.
@@DPAE-xc4ph but he would get criticized for that too - by people saying he isn’t progressing the style of play. Much like the sentiment that was thrown and Solskjaer.
@@Phonart96 The difference is that Solskjaer would park the bus and still lose 4-0. When your defence consists of a midfielder, two right backs and someone who was brought in to be a coach. You simply cannot play expansive football. I sympathise with the injuries but we’ve had an absent midfield in every game and I can count on one hand the number of games we’ve dominated this season. Burnley made us look like we were the relegation threatened team when we played them.
Ten Hag has to play a different back line every week with midfielders consistently played in defense. Is it shocking to anyone a pairing of Maguire and Evans/Casemiro doesn’t do well? We didn’t score as many goals as we wanted with our only striker being a 20 year old in his first season in the league are we surprised? I think people think Ten Hag was such a failure this season because they had ridiculous expectations
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig but the squat isn’t available? But doesn’t matter because it costs a lot? Should he just play them anyway and tell them to suck it up? Not sure what you mean. Oh and just because they are expensive players, don’t make them good or suitable for the way ETH wants to play!
@@andreashjrupnielsen2968 ole got better out of the squad and was not backed as much as ten hag has been, we have had times were we were only missing 2 or 3 starters and we were still awful, even the start of the season everyone was fit and we got dominated by brighton spurs and wolves
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig Ole didn't really get more out of the squad. The PL was just weaker back than. Getting 3rd with that squad is actually a miracle.
@@lexxihd5843 PL was weaker then? look at how much chelsea have dropped off since ten hag got here, spurs as well finished 9th last season, the prem is the same level as it was before
Tuchel's pragmatism is a great asset considering United don't have a clear plan on who is leaving. They're happy to entertain offers for such a large portion of the squad, but they can't sell all of them. So you'd imagine he can work with whoever is left over
He also pulls the others out of their tunnelvision and points out a different view on subjects. He is pretty bias to chelsea but when talking bout other teams he is really good
Every TH-camr says ten Haag should have done better despite the injuries yet no one ever gives an actual solution. Eg what to do for the palace game with the CBs that would have worked
the palace game maybe was a lost cause, but we played awfully at the start of the season even when licha and varane were fit, we have had games against brentford bournemouth chelsea and newcaslte where those teams had as many first team players out injured as we did and we got absolutely dominated
@@GuitarJammerJohn But what if United just can't be much better than they are right now. What if there are just no solutions right now. Then ETH's performance isn't that bad.
Play the youngsters. Let them have a run. Tell me, Mengi would not be good enough foelr now? Same with Bennet, Fish or Tyler Fredricson. Try them. They are a free punt. If they fail; it's okay. Move them on. LvG did that in so many positions. Rashford, Keane x2, McNair, Blackett etc. His issues are beyond the injuries. Our injuries as bad as they are, are only truly bad at 2 positions; decimating our CBs and LBs. No where near as bad as LVGs or say Sheffield United or Newcastle this season. Like Arnold above him, who is already rightly fired; he made our club went from 0 debt to other teams to 340m to be paid over 5 years. Arnold and ETH are responsible for it. As this is being 1/3 of our debt; this is also 1/3 of our interest payment. I.e. this makes it £85m paid to other clubs every year for the next 5 years. And don't go after our revenue; it is 3rd (or 2nd if you do not believe City's) at a quarter billion. #2 Biggest issue is on his stupid tactics that he insists on. Everyone can see that his 6-8-10 CMs are not working. It leaves Casemiro or Mainoo vs the world. Go to a 8-8-8 ala the 90s Italians or 6-6-10 in the 2000s. And in game, he simply is not flexible, except Liverpool at Anfield. #3 his signings. 3 signings good and right. Licha, Christian and Case, why was Mount and Onana signed; and the rest were utter garbage signings. 4) Him falling out. He only got legs to stand for Sancho. Clashing with CR7, Varane and Casemiro;all who in their combined 5 decades of professional careers never clashed with any other manager... He had absolute power, and with it comes absolute responsibility. Hence, he got to go.
@@preetjitsingh328 yeah so you’re saying 1) play a player who isn’t ours anymore, 2) play youngsters and if they fail they can bugger off rather than protect them. Good job 👍🏻
Manchester United should really consider Maurizio Sarri. An experienced manager who has managed other big teams (Napoli, Chelsea, Juventus, Lazio), has Premier League experience, wants a return to the Premier League and doesn’t currently have a job. He won’t be ‘overwhelmed’ by the job and he is a great tactician who has improved every team he’s been at getting them to be defensively solid and keeping hold of the ball, which this Manchester United team desperately need to improve on.
I find it funny how they defend managers like De Dezerbi's poor performance this season due to injuries when Ten Hag has probably had to deal with the worst injury crisis out of any team this season. Our best choice center backs (Martinez and Varane) have played together like five times all season. If you take Gabriel and Sailiba out of that Arsenal team for the majority of the season I guarantee that they aren't in a title rice anymore.
Feels as though Bayern are struggling to find a new manager because they really want Klopp after he has had a year off and are therefore maybe only offering a short term job now.
People who don’t know anything about United shouldn’t be talking about sacking their manager and who should replace them. ETH is our man and needs backing, not sacking.
David Moyes on a free, wait that started as a joke but would two years of David Moyes finishing outside the top six but doingva serious rebuild for a successor be such a bad thing?
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn Not a Utd fan, but I see the main issue as the impatience for success. Neville asked recently which Liverpool player he'd take for UTD and he said Salah, not a Bradley or Kelleher just another past his sell by date Casemiro, CR7, Zlatan, Sánchez etc. Moyes for 2 years , no expectations, no stupid signings, rebuild everything from scouting to stadium and give the next manager a great foundation to grow from!
Yes because Moyes doesn't play the football that United want to play. So they can't really buy him the players he needs and they can't buy the players they need.
@@lexxihd5843 But again it's about rebuilding not overspending for the next Antony, the next Martial, the next Pogba and pretending Utd are just one or two players short of winning something. Two years, get rid of the deadwood with a manager who won't lose 4:0 to a mid table side, won't win anything but will leave Utd in a much better place for a successor. Or just keep changing the manager every two years backing each one with expensive signings the next manager will have to figure out how to fit into his system.
@@porcupineinapettingzoo I agree with everything that you said. But a club has to have a coherent philosophy. Just changing your philosophy every 3 years doesn't make sense. So the new manager (if someone new comes) should play the way INEOS want United to play, so that they can sign cheap players now that will fit Uniteds style. Which is modern attacking football.
The fact that it takes one season for fans and pundits alike to cast out a manager who overperfomed in his first season is baffling. Stick with the manager. Stop myopic expectations
England aren’t favorites for euros because of southgate though, it’s because of the best talent pool in Europe right now. Pair Southgate with a bad player group at United and it would be a disaster
I think you stick with EtH. Whether you think the teams performance this year is worthy of sackin or not, the timing is terrible. SO MANY new faces and minds coming in at the top of the club with their own ideas, they need time to be able to get on the same page and formulate a plan for where they want to take the club. EtH, yes he's lost the plot a bit this season, but he is a good manager. Give him the summer to reset, the confidence of backing and my god hire THE BEST medical team and give him another year. Best of 3, he's had one good, one bad season. It gives the new regime time to settle in and can be using that time to draw up a proper, unrushed, shortlist with a clear plan in mind should EtH not work out next season.
I am united fan and I think ETH is Good for club if I want to replace ETH at utd then I Want Klopp Level coach (zidane,carlo,conte,jose mourinho) or Somebody like Eddie Howe, crotia mánager, splatti , Gasperini
This Man U team doesn’t need great tactics or amazing players. All it needs is the harmony to be great and that why you should go for Southgate. He will bring united back to where they need to be. He’s basically the new Ferguson. If INEOS are watching… Southgate is the man
Man United don't need someone to "steady the ship", they need someone to come in and scare the living bejesus out of these lazy, arrogant, entitled players.
Enough with these ETHish suggestions! We need a high quality manager with modern tactics who is motivated by football itself andcares about his players. We need to sign Eddie Howe as out manager. We have Ashworth so it can't be that hard!
I swear y'all don't learn from your mistakes... i remember when potter was at brighton and you linked him to every club in the country and now with de zerbi i'm telling you. Y'all complain that eth sticks with his playing style and never changes well younjust described brighton/de zerbi for me. If people like southgate or de zerbi come in you rather let eth stay
This is why i don't like listening to oba because you just know he does not watch any games. Saying that de zerbi proved he's tactical versatile is outrageous. Go and watch back the full 90 of brighton vs city please. Idk if he'll get a mention but get the guy from inter, inzaghi. Strong character, has experience, commands respect and knows how to win games/tittles. My only ? Is if he knows English which idk but if he knows english get him or tuchel in if you can't have any of them 2 keep eth because no manager would have performed good with the amount of injuries he had to deal with
No sympathy for ETH with injuries but they feel for clubs like Brentford and Brighton who even haven't suffered as bad as United have with injuries 😕 the media just want ETH out the league
both need to go, we have just had our worst premier league season and champions league campaign ever, he has made awful signings and there is no style of play
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig One signing in particular hasn't worked ie Antony. With regards to Mount he's been regularly injured and so has Malacia. Personally didn't quite understand the Mount signing anyway and getting a new goalkeeper wasn't a priority. Then there's Casemiro who was great last season and this year has shown that perhaps he's past it. There isn't really a particular style of play agreed. It's really rather manic and disorganised.
Lmao oba basically said about tuchel everything which we thought eth was when he joined united, and "struggled with Bayern munich you with player power and then chelsea because changes in ownership" 😁 but yeah eth out despite he facing more shit than tuchel
@@benitojayadas1876 the proof is that he won a champions league with chelsea, reached the final with PSG, 2 top 4 finishes with chelsea, he has adapted his tactics to suit the teams he managers which is something ten hag has proven he is incapable of doing
Tuchel would be an absolute shit show as Utd manager. He seemingly seems to piss off both club higher ups and players at every club he's been at. The new set up at Utd aren't going to give him the freedom his perfectionism demands and the players are a bunch of mard arses.
These 3 have zero football knowledge! Their level of delusion is incomprehensible!… With all the injuries, off-field BS & players on-field attitudes this season, do they think that if Pep had been in charge since last August United would have done any better?…. Marginally perhaps. But not by much!… ETH should be afforded at least one more season.
If you want to know why FD has been in steep, steep decline, the Southgate to Utd discussion is a great microcosm of the issues. Dismissed by everyone in seconds, then spend a whole 5 minutes discussing. Including letting the Chelsea fan drone on without ever asking would he have him as Chelsea manager. No passion, no push back. What a waste of time & oxygen. Switched it off.
How can you sack ETH? Basically not given any of the players he wanted. The list of players he's wanted is incredibly long and the players he was given instead are terrible. Most injuries in a season for the club in its entire history. Last seasons two pots candidates have both downed tools and their performance hasnt been even half of their previous season. The spend has not been near enough. The sqaud after Ole/Ragnick would have needed 309 million worth of talent to comepete, but then Pogba, Cavani,Ronaldo and De Gea all left for free. Club sale, Antony case, Greenwood case, Sancho issues all creating negativity and unpredictability. All that whilst dealing with the goalkeeper adaption, which has taken every new goalkeeper at United a year or 2, or they never make it. Next season with new smart and cheap signings, Onana only making 40% of the mistakes, key players back from injury, more expirienced Mainoo and Garancho, and United will easily get top 4.
he has got the players he wanted, onana antony and mount are all players he wanted, the greenwood drama is his fault, he could have just binned him off but he attempted to bring back that piece of scum, injuries arent an excuse, we have been poor ever since the league cup final which predates the injury disaster
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig What? He didnt have a choice in the Greenwood saga lmao. That mess was on the very top of the board Arnold, Murtough and the Glazers. He hasnt gotten the players he wanted. He wanted: Strikers: Darwin Nunez, Kane, Osimhen, Gakpo, Guirassy, Brobbey, Loan strikers: Joao Felix, Werner, Malen, Choupo Mouting Center back: Timber, Kim Min Jae, Todibo, Pavard, Tapsoba, Disasi, Upamecano, Midfield: Frenkie De Jong, Rabiot, Rice, Caicedo, Edson Alvarez, Barella, Ruben Neves, Gravenberch,Palhinha, Lavia,Tielemans, Fullback: Frimpong, Dumfries Loan fullback: Cucurella How can you honestly say he was given the players he wanted? He asked for Kim Min Jae, Pavard or Todibo, he was given Evans He asked for Rice, Palhinha, Gravenberch or Rabiot, he was given Amrabat He asked for Guirassy for 15 millio release clause in january, he was given nobody He then asked for Werner, Malen or Choupo Mouting ob loan, and was given nobody. He wanted Cucurella on a season long loan to cover lb and lcb, he was given Reguilon for 6 months.
The fact that it takes one season for fans and pundits alike to cast out a manager who overperfomed in his first season is baffling. Stick with the manager. Stop myopic expectations
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Doesn't seem to be much interaction in the comment section anymore on these videos but I'll say what I think anyway. One thing that frustrates me about people analysing Ten Hag this season is that they expect a modern attractive style of play from Ten Hag while Evans, Casemiro and Maguire are our main CB's. They can only play a deep defensive line due to lack of pace. Then what? Oh apparently, Ten Hag should have changed things so we play a more defensive style and sured up the weak defence.
So which one is it? Implement his own playing style of attractive high-pressing Dutch style football? Or sure up defensively and play more counter-attacking? Something United managers have been lamented for in the past few years. What is the solution because NOTHING is being offered?
Lovely comment, Ten Hag is not the problem the squad is
Sure All that is correct but you can't play a counter press with a low block thats why the midfield gets overrun, You need to shorten the distance between your frontline and defence, this is coaching 101
@@muhtasimulhoque EDIT. Misread comment.
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn Think he said counter press. Not counter attack, they are different. One is about attacking as directly as possible after winning the ball, the other is about pressing directly after losing the ball to turn the ball over in a more advantageous position.
@@christaylor9656 Yeah I know what the differences are. I just misread the comment. Thanks for pointing it out though. To be fair I thought it was a bizarre comment that made no sense. At least now it makes sense.
Sam talking Southgate for the vibes. That’s what Ole did and it led to nothing
To be fair it’s what ancelloti does
@@colour1246Ancelotti has 4 UCLs
@@colour1246 Ancelotti is a manager with great results in different leagues. Southgate has done none of that. Can't compare them...
@@colour1246i’ll never understand where ppl get this from, ancelotti is one of the best tacticians ive ever seen
Southgate 😂😂 Might as well get Paul Jewell in.
One thing Southgate could do is actually fix the terrible culture, like he did for England. No point in adding more players to that dressing room until you've done that. Remember, Southgate inherited a team that lost to Iceland and got to the WC semi finals 2 years later.
Gian Piero Gasparini
He’s been phenomenal at Atalanta in the 8 years he’s been there, turning them from a club who continually bounced between Serie a and b to a club who qualify nearly every season for the champions league despite spending very little. I don’t think he’d win you a title at Utd for a few years, but he would certainly get them a top 4 position consistently and make far more astute signings than Ten Hag.
Last year - manager designs tactics around team of misfits to focus on results - "he has no style of play"
This year - manager introduces his original style of play that people were calling for him to be fired for after two games because the team couldn't and still can't play comfortably with the ball (missed passes and possession errors are not coaching issues - these are quality issues)
Ten Hag is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. He's brought us to three finals in two seasons, 3rd place finish in league and to champions league.
The whole team has had a disaster season. But there is hope in youth. Look at the young players being brought in and coming through. Look at how ETH has influenced youth teams (a goal he set out on arrival)
There's no upgrades on the market. Keep him for another 6 months and let him have a fit team with an improved background team and culture. And get rid of the deadwood and bloated wages.
I hope Man Utd do sack him because we could really use him back at Ajax, though with our current situation that might not work out either.
The entire structure of the club that was in place when Ten Hag was here has disintegrated, and we've yet to find out whether the people we've just put in place will manage to bring back some semblance of organization. And it's this lack of organization that is exactly what I think is failing Ten Hag at Utd, as it has doomed many other managers with proven track records that have joined the club over the past decade. There's a reason Van Gaal advised Ten Hag not to go to Utd after all, and I'd say he's been proven correct...
Even with Ten Hag having an excellent first season, there were already a few issues with his management, mostly off the pitch, which have exacerbated now that this season hasn't delivered the desired results. Most importantly his transfer dealings, as signing Antony for 100 million was the stupidest move he could've made. Casemiro, while good in his first season, was also too much of a short term option for Man Utd's project even if he had still been good this season or manages to recover next season. Then this season Mount, Amrabat and Onana not delivering on expectations is not a good look for Ten Hag's transfer record. And if I could've seen it coming based on only 1 out of 5 signings that were made largely on Ten Hag's input working out at Ajax, Man Utd should've seen it coming as well, and should've ensured other more capable people were in place to handle transfers instead. Then there were the Ronaldo- and Sancho-situations, which were not necessarily Ten Hag's fault, but were exacerbated by the coarse way he can come across. With Ronaldo being a crybaby in that embarrassing interview, he came out of it on top, but when his relationship with Sancho broke down similarly, I don't think his handling of either situation is looked back on as fondly now. Had someone higher up been able to handle these situations before they got this out of hand, I think that would've helped Ten Hag as well.
I'm not going to say I'm certain Ten Hag would've succeeded had this structure been in place when he'd arrived, and I don't know if he's the right man for the job from this point onwards, but even if he isn't I think it's important Man Utd puts the structure needed to succeed in place first before thinking of hiring another manager and starting the same cycle all over again.
I love the excuses for Tuchel "Even at Bayern munich he went to a club where there's so many changes above him, and he didnt get the players he wanted to get". And actually leads Bayern to their first trophiless season in 12 years.
Yet you absolutely ROAST ETH. Who won a trophy last season and is still in a final. Well done on double standards.
They made the same argument for De Zerbi - clueless so they are. Change for the sake of change isn't going to help Man Utd move forward
I do sort of agree, but at the same time, Tuchel won the league last season in his first season and in his second season the "drop off" is finishing 2nd to a Leverkusen side that have (to this point) gone unbeaten in all competitions and managed to get to the Champions League semi finals compared to Ten Hag falling to 8th in the league and going out bottom at the group stages in the Champions League in a very easy group.
Ten Hags real mitigating circumstances are the sheer amount of injuries that United have had this season, but even then, for a lot of people the biggest issue with him is that two years in there's still no signs of a clear style of play. Ange, Howe, De Zerbi and Poch have all seen their squads decimated with injuries/absences throughout the season but all of their teams still have a clear identity in how they play. The only identity United seem to have is that they're porous and allow nearly 20 shots at their goal every game.
@@CaptainJammieJam it isnt change for the sake of change, its change because were having our worst season in 4 decades
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig and you thinking changing one person is going to reverse that or change it? And who are you changing that to? And how are you going to afford that? And would you choose Ten Hag if he was still at Ajax? And what team do you know has succeeded in your lifetime when the owners announce that virtually the whole first team is for sale and we've had 65 seperate injury cases this year? Please enlighten me because if you have the answer to fix all these issues with ONE PERSON, then you should be Owner, CEO and fill every other senior personel position at Man Utd
Difference is Bayern haven’t been a mess. Yeah they didn’t win the league for the first time in ages but Leverkusn are having a record breaking season.
Like what is ten Hag supposed to do with so many injuries barely any CBs for most of the season and bearly even a 1st team. I think he deserves more time under more structure. You guys can't even give suitable replacement for ten Hag. Guys how many times are we going to rotate managers with no long term commitment
"barely any cb for most of the season" maguire and varane have both played half of our games, lindelof and martinez have played games too, stop making things up
A large reason for the injuries is his chaotic ping pong playstyle forcing players to sprint much more than a more possession based style would.
talking abt how other managers have had difficult years w injuries but dont give eth slack for injuries, recruitment, and backgroujd stuff like Antony case, the new owners, Sancho,
Thanks so much for the content guys. It's greatly appreciated, thanks so much ❤
Very poor analysis on Ten Hag really, almost completely gloss over the lack of quality in the United squad.
We are so open in EVERY game. When you don’t have your best personnel, you have to be a bit more conservative in the way you play. Yet, he plays the same way no matter who’s available. That’s on him, not the players.
@@DPAE-xc4ph but he would get criticized for that too - by people saying he isn’t progressing the style of play. Much like the sentiment that was thrown and Solskjaer.
@@Phonart96
The difference is that Solskjaer would park the bus and still lose 4-0. When your defence consists of a midfielder, two right backs and someone who was brought in to be a coach. You simply cannot play expansive football. I sympathise with the injuries but we’ve had an absent midfield in every game and I can count on one hand the number of games we’ve dominated this season. Burnley made us look like we were the relegation threatened team when we played them.
Ten Hag has to play a different back line every week with midfielders consistently played in defense. Is it shocking to anyone a pairing of Maguire and Evans/Casemiro doesn’t do well? We didn’t score as many goals as we wanted with our only striker being a 20 year old in his first season in the league are we surprised? I think people think Ten Hag was such a failure this season because they had ridiculous expectations
Why don't you make a video about the best young managers?
For ETH, injuries is should not be a problem?…But with De Zerbi, injuries is the problem?
difference is one has a billion pound squad and the other still has a style of play even with the injuries
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig but the squat isn’t available? But doesn’t matter because it costs a lot? Should he just play them anyway and tell them to suck it up?
Not sure what you mean.
Oh and just because they are expensive players, don’t make them good or suitable for the way ETH wants to play!
@@andreashjrupnielsen2968 ole got better out of the squad and was not backed as much as ten hag has been, we have had times were we were only missing 2 or 3 starters and we were still awful, even the start of the season everyone was fit and we got dominated by brighton spurs and wolves
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig Ole didn't really get more out of the squad. The PL was just weaker back than. Getting 3rd with that squad is actually a miracle.
@@lexxihd5843 PL was weaker then? look at how much chelsea have dropped off since ten hag got here, spurs as well finished 9th last season, the prem is the same level as it was before
Tuchel's pragmatism is a great asset considering United don't have a clear plan on who is leaving. They're happy to entertain offers for such a large portion of the squad, but they can't sell all of them. So you'd imagine he can work with whoever is left over
Yes like at Bayern where he was whining about the squad every week at the beginnning of the season.
Say what you want about Oba, but he undoubtedly adds an interesting dynamic everytime.
Really? First thing he does is talk about Chelsea! 😂😂😂
@@GIBBO4182 idk, feels like he adds that extra spice to the show for me
He also pulls the others out of their tunnelvision and points out a different view on subjects. He is pretty bias to chelsea but when talking bout other teams he is really good
worst guest lmao
Get Big Sam through the door. *Debate Over*
Every TH-camr says ten Haag should have done better despite the injuries yet no one ever gives an actual solution. Eg what to do for the palace game with the CBs that would have worked
the palace game maybe was a lost cause, but we played awfully at the start of the season even when licha and varane were fit, we have had games against brentford bournemouth chelsea and newcaslte where those teams had as many first team players out injured as we did and we got absolutely dominated
Tbf it’s not there job to do that it’s up to the manager if they could they would be prem managers and not TH-camrs.
@@GuitarJammerJohn But what if United just can't be much better than they are right now. What if there are just no solutions right now. Then ETH's performance isn't that bad.
Play the youngsters. Let them have a run. Tell me, Mengi would not be good enough foelr now? Same with Bennet, Fish or Tyler Fredricson. Try them. They are a free punt. If they fail; it's okay. Move them on. LvG did that in so many positions. Rashford, Keane x2, McNair, Blackett etc.
His issues are beyond the injuries. Our injuries as bad as they are, are only truly bad at 2 positions; decimating our CBs and LBs. No where near as bad as LVGs or say Sheffield United or Newcastle this season.
Like Arnold above him, who is already rightly fired; he made our club went from 0 debt to other teams to 340m to be paid over 5 years. Arnold and ETH are responsible for it. As this is being 1/3 of our debt; this is also 1/3 of our interest payment. I.e. this makes it £85m paid to other clubs every year for the next 5 years. And don't go after our revenue; it is 3rd (or 2nd if you do not believe City's) at a quarter billion.
#2 Biggest issue is on his stupid tactics that he insists on. Everyone can see that his 6-8-10 CMs are not working. It leaves Casemiro or Mainoo vs the world. Go to a 8-8-8 ala the 90s Italians or 6-6-10 in the 2000s. And in game, he simply is not flexible, except Liverpool at Anfield.
#3 his signings. 3 signings good and right. Licha, Christian and Case, why was Mount and Onana signed; and the rest were utter garbage signings.
4) Him falling out. He only got legs to stand for Sancho. Clashing with CR7, Varane and Casemiro;all who in their combined 5 decades of professional careers never clashed with any other manager...
He had absolute power, and with it comes absolute responsibility. Hence, he got to go.
@@preetjitsingh328 yeah so you’re saying 1) play a player who isn’t ours anymore,
2) play youngsters and if they fail they can bugger off rather than protect them. Good job 👍🏻
Lads can we get another episode of team talk soon please 🫡
Manchester United should really consider Maurizio Sarri. An experienced manager who has managed other big teams (Napoli, Chelsea, Juventus, Lazio), has Premier League experience, wants a return to the Premier League and doesn’t currently have a job. He won’t be ‘overwhelmed’ by the job and he is a great tactician who has improved every team he’s been at getting them to be defensively solid and keeping hold of the ball, which this Manchester United team desperately need to improve on.
Sarriball
Each of his sackings were pretty harsh too, underrated
Nagelsmann's playstyle is defitnely more possession based than Marco Rose's.
I find it funny how they defend managers like De Dezerbi's poor performance this season due to injuries when Ten Hag has probably had to deal with the worst injury crisis out of any team this season. Our best choice center backs (Martinez and Varane) have played together like five times all season. If you take Gabriel and Sailiba out of that Arsenal team for the majority of the season I guarantee that they aren't in a title rice anymore.
Feels as though Bayern are struggling to find a new manager because they really want Klopp after he has had a year off and are therefore maybe only offering a short term job now.
People who don’t know anything about United shouldn’t be talking about sacking their manager and who should replace them. ETH is our man and needs backing, not sacking.
if you still back ten hag youre not a man united fan, we dont accept mid table mediocrity, go support bournemouth you bum
Where’s the Antonio Conte shouts?? He’s still an unbelievable manager
David Moyes on a free,
wait that started as a joke but would two years of David Moyes finishing outside the top six but doingva serious rebuild for a successor be such a bad thing?
WTF? No. He failed in his first run and would fail again. Worst suggestion for anything ever.
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn Not a Utd fan, but I see the main issue as the impatience for success. Neville asked recently which Liverpool player he'd take for UTD and he said Salah, not a Bradley or Kelleher just another past his sell by date Casemiro, CR7, Zlatan, Sánchez etc. Moyes for 2 years , no expectations, no stupid signings, rebuild everything from scouting to stadium and give the next manager a great foundation to grow from!
Yes because Moyes doesn't play the football that United want to play. So they can't really buy him the players he needs and they can't buy the players they need.
@@lexxihd5843 But again it's about rebuilding not overspending for the next Antony, the next Martial, the next Pogba and pretending Utd are just one or two players short of winning something.
Two years, get rid of the deadwood with a manager who won't lose 4:0 to a mid table side, won't win anything but will leave Utd in a much better place for a successor. Or just keep changing the manager every two years backing each one with expensive signings the next manager will have to figure out how to fit into his system.
@@porcupineinapettingzoo I agree with everything that you said. But a club has to have a coherent philosophy. Just changing your philosophy every 3 years doesn't make sense. So the new manager (if someone new comes) should play the way INEOS want United to play, so that they can sign cheap players now that will fit Uniteds style. Which is modern attacking football.
The fact that it takes one season for fans and pundits alike to cast out a manager who overperfomed in his first season is baffling. Stick with the manager. Stop myopic expectations
Sam suggested Ole so Chelsea can be better that Man Utd 😂😂😂
England aren’t favorites for euros because of southgate though, it’s because of the best talent pool in Europe right now. Pair Southgate with a bad player group at United and it would be a disaster
Chelsea fan, I hope manu get Southgate!
mike talking makes me zone out, his points meander and often goes back on himself. Please structure you points better.
Yeah, he's terrible on camera
Ten Haag in ❤
yeah in2 the bin
I think you stick with EtH. Whether you think the teams performance this year is worthy of sackin or not, the timing is terrible. SO MANY new faces and minds coming in at the top of the club with their own ideas, they need time to be able to get on the same page and formulate a plan for where they want to take the club. EtH, yes he's lost the plot a bit this season, but he is a good manager. Give him the summer to reset, the confidence of backing and my god hire THE BEST medical team and give him another year. Best of 3, he's had one good, one bad season. It gives the new regime time to settle in and can be using that time to draw up a proper, unrushed, shortlist with a clear plan in mind should EtH not work out next season.
Tuchel or Amorim if we did make a change
I am united fan and I think ETH is Good for club if I want to replace ETH at utd then I Want Klopp Level coach (zidane,carlo,conte,jose mourinho) or Somebody like Eddie Howe, crotia mánager, splatti , Gasperini
This Man U team doesn’t need great tactics or amazing players. All it needs is the harmony to be great and that why you should go for Southgate. He will bring united back to where they need to be. He’s basically the new Ferguson. If INEOS are watching… Southgate is the man
Sam “can’t see United losing 4-0 to Palace away”
Bayern lose 5-1 away to Frankfurt
Bayern go out the German cup to a 3rd tier side
Tuchel with a 2+1 year contract. Would be good.
I see Sam, I skip.
I like Sam, but I feel as though he’s just overly positive for the sake of it at times when not discussing Chelsea
Man United don't need someone to "steady the ship", they need someone to come in and scare the living bejesus out of these lazy, arrogant, entitled players.
Part of me wants United and chelsea to do well next year so we see more of oba and joe 😘😂
With all the love for you all but this was the worst analysis of the Manchester united situation
Enough with these ETHish suggestions! We need a high quality manager with modern tactics who is motivated by football itself andcares about his players. We need to sign Eddie Howe as out manager. We have Ashworth so it can't be that hard!
I think olmo would be the perfect replacement for Bruno Fernandes
Tuchel, Amorim or Kieren Mckenna
I swear y'all don't learn from your mistakes... i remember when potter was at brighton and you linked him to every club in the country and now with de zerbi i'm telling you. Y'all complain that eth sticks with his playing style and never changes well younjust described brighton/de zerbi for me. If people like southgate or de zerbi come in you rather let eth stay
This is why i don't like listening to oba because you just know he does not watch any games. Saying that de zerbi proved he's tactical versatile is outrageous. Go and watch back the full 90 of brighton vs city please. Idk if he'll get a mention but get the guy from inter, inzaghi. Strong character, has experience, commands respect and knows how to win games/tittles. My only ? Is if he knows English which idk but if he knows english get him or tuchel in if you can't have any of them 2 keep eth because no manager would have performed good with the amount of injuries he had to deal with
No sympathy for ETH with injuries but they feel for clubs like Brentford and Brighton who even haven't suffered as bad as United have with injuries 😕 the media just want ETH out the league
United currently Need a coach like xavi
SIMONE INZAGHI. NUFF SAID.
United should hire Conte.
Team FD on a rescue mission
Someone should take notes 📝
Hey guys you forgot my name to mention in conversation for Manunited coach,because the names you’re suggesting it’s Monty Python circus, 😂😂😂
Thomas Tuchel are you serious?
This lot clearly don’t watch Bundesliga 😂
So de zerbi loosing mitoma and estupinan is ok but ten hag having 65 separate injuries is his fault we're having a bad season ok
Very interesting
Salty mccubin back to bet against Madrid again. Doesn't learn regardless of how many times he gets found out 😂😂😂
Christ talking tuchel up like the second coming 😂
So lazy just putting things down to Ten Hag. What about the players? A number of them need selling before the manager gets sacked.
both need to go, we have just had our worst premier league season and champions league campaign ever, he has made awful signings and there is no style of play
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig One signing in particular hasn't worked ie Antony. With regards to Mount he's been regularly injured and so has Malacia. Personally didn't quite understand the Mount signing anyway and getting a new goalkeeper wasn't a priority. Then there's Casemiro who was great last season and this year has shown that perhaps he's past it. There isn't really a particular style of play agreed. It's really rather manic and disorganised.
I would like xavi Come to United and ETH would Get His fav club
Gallardo... experience in long terms, development of youth, overseeing a big club... bad recent spell at Saudi (no one cares)
Lmao oba basically said about tuchel everything which we thought eth was when he joined united, and "struggled with Bayern munich you with player power and then chelsea because changes in ownership" 😁 but yeah eth out despite he facing more shit than tuchel
tuchel is 10 times the manager eth ever will be
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig no proof just a dialogue, 🤣
@@benitojayadas1876 the proof is that he won a champions league with chelsea, reached the final with PSG, 2 top 4 finishes with chelsea, he has adapted his tactics to suit the teams he managers which is something ten hag has proven he is incapable of doing
None of you are united fans. So ur opinion mean nothing to me. ETH IN
united fans who back eth think he is bigger than the club
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig not at all
Its the Big SamO.
Tuchel would be an absolute shit show as Utd manager. He seemingly seems to piss off both club higher ups and players at every club he's been at. The new set up at Utd aren't going to give him the freedom his perfectionism demands and the players are a bunch of mard arses.
"he pisses of the players" well done for proving you know nothing, stick to rugby and piss of from the beautiful game you bum
These 3 have zero football knowledge! Their level of delusion is incomprehensible!… With all the injuries, off-field BS & players on-field attitudes this season, do they think that if Pep had been in charge since last August United would have done any better?…. Marginally perhaps. But not by much!… ETH should be afforded at least one more season.
you simply dont deserve to watch the sport anymore if you think ten hag should keep his job
If you want to know why FD has been in steep, steep decline, the Southgate to Utd discussion is a great microcosm of the issues.
Dismissed by everyone in seconds, then spend a whole 5 minutes discussing. Including letting the Chelsea fan drone on without ever asking would he have him as Chelsea manager. No passion, no push back.
What a waste of time & oxygen. Switched it off.
How can you sack ETH?
Basically not given any of the players he wanted.
The list of players he's wanted is incredibly long and the players he was given instead are terrible.
Most injuries in a season for the club in its entire history.
Last seasons two pots candidates have both downed tools and their performance hasnt been even half of their previous season.
The spend has not been near enough. The sqaud after Ole/Ragnick would have needed 309 million worth of talent to comepete, but then Pogba, Cavani,Ronaldo and De Gea all left for free.
Club sale, Antony case, Greenwood case, Sancho issues all creating negativity and unpredictability.
All that whilst dealing with the goalkeeper adaption, which has taken every new goalkeeper at United a year or 2, or they never make it.
Next season with new smart and cheap signings, Onana only making 40% of the mistakes, key players back from injury, more expirienced Mainoo and Garancho, and United will easily get top 4.
he has got the players he wanted, onana antony and mount are all players he wanted, the greenwood drama is his fault, he could have just binned him off but he attempted to bring back that piece of scum, injuries arent an excuse, we have been poor ever since the league cup final which predates the injury disaster
@@mahmoodhassan-ei1ig What? He didnt have a choice in the Greenwood saga lmao. That mess was on the very top of the board Arnold, Murtough and the Glazers.
He hasnt gotten the players he wanted.
He wanted:
Strikers: Darwin Nunez, Kane, Osimhen, Gakpo, Guirassy, Brobbey,
Loan strikers: Joao Felix, Werner, Malen, Choupo Mouting
Center back: Timber, Kim Min Jae, Todibo, Pavard, Tapsoba, Disasi, Upamecano,
Midfield: Frenkie De Jong, Rabiot, Rice, Caicedo, Edson Alvarez, Barella, Ruben Neves, Gravenberch,Palhinha, Lavia,Tielemans,
Fullback: Frimpong, Dumfries
Loan fullback: Cucurella
How can you honestly say he was given the players he wanted?
He asked for Kim Min Jae, Pavard or Todibo, he was given Evans
He asked for Rice, Palhinha, Gravenberch or Rabiot, he was given Amrabat
He asked for Guirassy for 15 millio release clause in january, he was given nobody He then asked for Werner, Malen or Choupo Mouting ob loan, and was given nobody.
He wanted Cucurella on a season long loan to cover lb and lcb, he was given Reguilon for 6 months.
Southgate is the chosen one.
Moyes is available...
47:21
This is disgusting and disrespectful
Kids talking football. Lol. Get real fam.
Nice work, nice effort, but you need more experience on the show. You guys chatting rubbish.
The 3 stooges
The fact that it takes one season for fans and pundits alike to cast out a manager who overperfomed in his first season is baffling. Stick with the manager. Stop myopic expectations
yeah myopic expectations to not want us to have our worst season in 4 decades, you eth stans can piss of with him and his shit players