I swear to god I hope this doesn’t happen but I can see nia jax being one of those wrestlers that leaves us way to soon and wwe taking a lot of heat her family history is the basis for my prediction
He was a great person and I had the pleasure of meeting him in Calgary at the Calgary stampede we just sat around enjoying a cold beer with him being very kind and very funny
Actually, I don’t think it’s a big deal. Everyone was in shock. Everyone was just reacting on autopilot. I can’t fault them for not ending the show. Yes, it would have been nice and respectful but a sudden death can be such a shock I can imagine them not concerning themselves with the optics and just operating on instinct. No one had ever suggested a protocol on what they would do if a performer died on the show, because they truly never for saw that happening. Now it is in the company handbook what to do.
The Owen Hart tragedy is, by far, the most disgusting, despicable, and greedy act this company has ever done. Not canceling a scripted show after a man legitimately loses his life is unforgivable, no matter what the reason is.
It only looks really bad in hindsight and with contemporary moral wokescolding in mind. It was definitely the wrong call, but in the moment when you've got tens of thousands of people in an arena and hundreds of thousands on PPV, I legit don't think Vince was thinking about money. He was just thinking about what you even do in that situation. It's easy to say "Send them home, cancel the PPV" but that's not realistic at all. In the real world, there are a lot more moving parts.
The NFL canceled their MNF game when Demar Hamlin had a heart attack on the field, and in that case Hamlin eventually recovered. You’re at new points of low when the NFL has better morals than you.
I don’t blame Martha Hart for not letting WWE induct Owen into the WWE HOF. What WWE did was careless and they are responsible for his death despite the unintended consequences. Owen is by far one of my favourite wrestlers of all time and I’m so glad AEW and Martha are honouring him in their own way.
It's messed up that they didn't stop the show that night, but can you really blame them for the accident. I mean it was an accident, and it wasn't like it was the first time they did that stunt (though I believe it was the last)
They FUCKING USED A CLAMP THAT RELEASED WHEN IT BEARS A LOAD BECAUSE THE REAL EQUIPMENT LOOKED TO CLONKY AND PROPER RIGGERS WERE EXPENSIVE……..hook weight = open…..THEY FUCKED HIM. They fucking fucked him. They are responsible. Tragic -yes but PREVENTABLE
I saw the raw episode where stone cold downs the beers for owen. It felt weird for some reason and it's a sad episode. The fact that JR started to cry as he dismissed the fans watching made me cry as well. If it weren't for that stupid gimmick he would have still been with us.
The gimmick was kind of a punishment. For what, I am not entirely sure, but when Owen was doing his Black Hart gimmick -- which I thought was starting to look great -- Shawn Michaels complained, allegedly. The Blue Blazer began afterwards.
He would still be alive today if he didn't die then? Odd, how can you know that? Plane crashes, car accidents, random acts of violence, health problems. What inside knowledge do you have about him to know for a fact that he'd be alive? I guarantee you dont know the family, you didnt know him personally, you dont know anybody connected to the family. I'm positive you're a complete nobody who has the mental capacity of a 10 year old child saying dumb things that make you feel good.
@angelrosie97 Rock climbers suffer the same thing. We all sacrifice our lives every second of the day. Owen died doing what he loved and that's it. No ands, if, or buts about it
@angelrosie97 Doesn't matter. We all have the probability of dying young. I almost took my life at 14 but would anyone be defensive over that, no. Life is borrowed time. God called him home and that is it. Stop making pathetic excuses just because u can't live in the real world
@angelrosie97 What facts support it besides your own biases against Vince? U clearly can't accept the fact that things do go wrong in theater. The show goes on no matter what. Did wrestling stop after Jay Briscoe's car accident that killed him?
On top of them giving him the world title for 434 days. Punk acts like he was buried when he was treated better than anyone on the full time roster other than Cena
@@MechaSandvich yes he did had the championship for that long but punk was never treated like he was the company's champion as all the main event matches in all per per view while he was champion went to Cena. A stupid match like Cena vs Laurinaitis was the main event at Over the limit. He did not get the main event in wrestlemaina when he was the champion because Vince wanted Rock vs Cena part 2. This is what made him sick of them. There is no point of being champion for that long when you are still treated as no big deal, with no main events at all. That was stupid on WWE's part. If Cena were champ, he would be main eventing every damn thing.
@@DurgeshSingh1 I'm not Punk fan by any means, but don't forget to mention that Punk was white hot popular and HHH came out of retirement for no other reason than to squash him. That feud honestly could have been fantastic even if Punk were to lose 2 of 3, the amount of credibility he could have gotten out of it could have been staggering...instead... They did the exact same thing to Daniel Bryan as well only rectifying their mistake at the absolute last minute and in a move that (let's be honest...) was underwhelming to say the least
@@MechaSandvich while having that title reign he had to take the back seat to John Cena and The rock multiple times as they had the Main event at wrestlemania while he didn’t even though he was champion
For me it was a bunch of things. 1:Breaking Undertaker's streak at WM. 2:When Randy Orton said Eddie was in Hell(I know Randy didn't want to do it.) 3:Making fun of JR's Bell's Palsy. 4:Owen Hart's death cause of a stupid gimmick he shouldn't have been doing.
This just shows how heartless Vince McMahon truly is. Owen's death is the reason my sister stopped watching the WWE. She like many others believed that the pay-per-view should have been stopped. The saddest thing is the fact Jerry Lawler was the first person in the ring after Owen fell. He said the image of Owen's face after his mask was removed still haunts him to this day.
I was the same way I found WWF was just garbage after Owens death so I stopped watching too after Raw is Owen. They could have made a better tribute to Owen
@@henry-bl3wr Didn't they also do it with Hawk? I recently found out that Vince had him fall off the titantron only a few months after Owens fall which many believed was tasteless and out of order because they were already under fire for that and now they had a man who was known to have a drinking problem do a stunt like that
It's a shame that the WWF didn't cancel the rest of Over the Edge 1999 immediately after Owen died. The Undertaker won the WWF Championship the same night in the same arena Owen Hart died in. Because they didn't end the show and the WWF title changed hands, it's going to be hard to try & forget about Over the Edge 1999 when the WWF title changed hands.
One you forgot to mention was Vince firing Jim Ross for having bell's palsy and later mocking him for having the illness. I swear Vince is a devil. There's no remorse or decency whatsoever in him.
Sometimes Vince is good, sometimes he is bad. A few of the goods moments I picked up. Vince paid for Andre’s medical treatment. Vince thought of milking the Mankind character but allowed Mick Foley to do his Dude Love gimmick. If Vince was that bad, he would have denied Mick Foley’s dream request. Sherri Martell passed away and it was revealed that Vince McMahon paid for the headstone and demanded to not receive credit for it. (Quite a lot of Vince's former employees have had kind things to say about his attitude towards the talent. Spike Dudley noted in shoot interviews that one of the reasons the cruiserweight division in WWE never rose to the heights the WCW version did was that Vince was genuinely worried the style would end up severely injuring someone. Likewise, when Joey Mercury was originally let go from WWE, Vince apparently personally sat down with him and told him that he (and the company) were genuinely worried Joey would die due to his drug issues if WWE continued to subject him to the rigours of a full touring schedule.) (When Harley Race passed away, it came to light via Trevor Murdoch (a former WWE superstar and student of Race's) that he needed to be transported by helicopter to receive treatment for his failing condition. His insurance wouldn't even entertain the thought of spending the money for it, so out of desperation, a call was made to WWE. 10 minutes later, the flight was paid in full. Vince would have undoubtedly had a word in that decision and as Murdoch put it, "He didn't even blink an eye. He wanted to make sure Harley was taken care of".) (It was rumored that after Brock Lesnar broke The Undertaker's streak, Undertaker collapsed backstage and was rushed to the hospital. in 2020's Undertaker: The Last Ride, it was not only confirmed that Vince and Lesnar both went to his hospital, they also followed the ambulance that 'Taker was in. Vince left the biggest show of his company just to make sure Undertaker was alright.) (After he left WWE, Bryan Danielson (who had nothing but good things to say about Vince and his time in WWE) revealed in an interview that Vince was very protective of him in an almost fatherly way. His match against Drew Gulak at Elimination Chamber 2020 made Vince very upset with the-then Daniel Bryan when he came backstage afterwards- not because the match wasn't good, but because during it Bryan had taken a German suplex from Gulak badly and landed on his head (always something scary with Bryan having only returned from a medically-mandated retirement a few years earlier). Vince told Bryan "The match was great, but you can't do that!")
@@赤ゲキ All of the things you mentioned still sounds like Vince McMahon taking care of his investments, the people making him money, instead of genuinely caring for other people.
@@DizzleDog yeah but using a real life death for a wrestling angle is pushing the line between good heat, as in fans tuning in and disgust and turning viewers away.
@@martynodonnell8467 I can understand being angry over using the storyline involving a wrestlers death. I can only hope that Eddie would have wanted it that way because he clearly loved wrestling. The storylines are messed up sometimes. Look at the storyline involving Kurt Angle and his wife which became his ex-wife during a TNA angle. Edge and Lita. Or many other storylines that were messed up but brought in a lot of viewers. I’m glad WWE gave his wife a job after he died because she lost her source of income. Remember they made you hate her on purpose lol
*The fact that the company continued the Over the Edge pay-per-view after announcing Owen’s death was just absolutely revolting and downright disrespectful. I fully respect Martha’s decision for not allowing them to induct Owen into the Hall of Fame because the way the company poorly handled his death*
Kildig, he probably still likes watching WWE, and is just still annoyed about the Owen Hart situation. Also, I get what you meant when you said to get over it, but it is hard to get over something like Owen Hart's death.
But you can't be too surprised because Vince doesn't care he only cares about money Shane McMahon you'll say hate his own father for a long time and he left.
Tony khan is so good.... announced Owen hart tournament om AEW.... owen hart, A wwe wrestler who vince killlled and buried. Finally giving him his due respect
I'm glad #1 was Over The Edge 1999. Because of the incident it's labeled as the worst PPV of all time in my opinion and it's the only time I supported WWE in deleting/removing clips from their content as the Owen Hart would've made the PPV unbearable to watch knowing that they continued the PPV despite his death. Martha Hart has every right to hate Vince McMahon's guts.
What she doesn't have every right to do however, is to ruin Owen's legacy, letting him be forgotten, no wrestler wants their career to be forgotten, she is a b***h and Bret is not a fan of her either, as he has every right to hate her guts.
They took care of Eddy's family. Vickie having a prominent role on tv for nearly a decade? making her a heel? (which she did a great job of), they dont take good care of many people but that isnt the case with Guerrero.
@@BitterTruth-me1nl on their own volition tho. i could just be not seeing something but i haven’t heard anything from vickey or chavo on how they hated the WWE
@@agentnine3973 I said nothing praising AEW or to insinuate AEW wouldn't do this. It was wrong, regardless of the organization. And AEW has nothing to do with the topic.
For the life of me, I cannot remember anyone named Nia Jax. Might as well told me that Joe Schmo got fired from Starbucks yesterday. Ok, who and why should I care?
I still cringe when I think about the way Owen Hart died. Being so high up in the air like that, I can’t imagine how terrified he must have felt when he was released from his harness.
What scares is that I’ve heard stories from people who were at the event that after the fall Owen hart tried to sit up for a second and almost did before just lying there lifeless
Honorable mentions to add to the unforgivable list: Overlooking or not offering proper assistance to wrestlers struggling with addiction, drugs, alcohol, depression or suicidal ideations. Sweeping the whole Triple H & Stephanie affair (WHILE he was still with Chyna) under the rug. Chyna never really recovered from that blow, and admitted she was still in love with him at the time. WWE released her soon after and never really gave her the credit she deserved. Firing JR. WWE 2k20 game.
It's not an excuse. Haven't you seen the news. The "Vince" character is actually a character, it's an extremely toned down, less deranged version of the real Vince.
When i was a kid i thought i was trippin .. but they really used eddies death to push certain people that wouldnt have been pushed otherwise i thought i was crazy as a kid but i guess i wasnt , im a fan of rey but i never liked that he only got a push based on eddies death.
Agree! I remember seeing that Randy was so pissed that he was forced to say that Eddie was in hell. I know it's not his fault, he's only following Vincent and directors' instructions and script, but that was so low. So disrespectful. After everything Eddie did for the company, so disgusting to have to use his death to push others.
According to those closest to Eddie they say he wouldn’t have had a problem with it, almost nobody understood the business better than Eddie, and they say he would’ve recognized that it was just business
@@bobutley1468 Yeah, it may still look gross to an outsider, but if those closest to him say he would've been fine with it, or even wanted it, then we really don't have any right to complain.
Considering the way this list has been except for a few things all the rest are not to be something unforgiveable. The world has gone very soft and gets offended very quickly the attitude era wont survive today because of the pc culture today
I'm surprised you didn't mention that they interviewed Melanie Pillman hours after Brian Pillman's death. Yes Melanie is a horrible person and drove Brian's ex to suicide, but it was still trashy of Vince.
But you have to understand is the same thing with the undertaker because he was a top guy back in the days and when restless didn't listen or follow with Vince wanted they would get abused and beat up for real by take her it's called hazing the same thing happened with Ryback or Nia jax whoever , they were told to do that because Kevin Dunn is a real idiot no one likes that guy at all and for anyone to come to WWE is a real fool as well after Vince and who he really is and how he acts.
@@floofles9473 well Wrestlelamia loves to bash Wwe too much. Yes the company can be douchey but they never talk about the good things about it. They always have to find every bad thing that sometimes isnt even that bad.
If you believe the rumors, I'm pretty sure Vince is justified in harboring anger towards Macho Man. I mean, I'd be pretty upset if I found out my teenage daughter was 'involved' with someone of his age. #justsayin
@@darlenemcmillin3926 Stephanie wasn't a child when her and Triple H got together, also he wasn't married to Chyna so it's not an affair, also why would u punish your employee for having an affair it not illegal
@@BeckyAnn6879 origin of the rumor appears to be a very short no detail anonymous 9-15-2004 posting on Death Valley Driver board in a thread asking for weird/shocking dirt few people know about. Notably Stephanie would have been 17-19 years old during the claimed time. “Macho had his way with Stephanie (she was about 14 then) back in 94/95 and that Vince found out and that was the true ending for Macho Man in WWF. Makes sense as the gent never was asked back or has been really showcased in those nostalgia video packages they do from time to time.” Around the time Macho had some real life minor drama with 3H over a dinosaur comment including Macho spouting he could romance his wife away in a rant, typical of Macho. With the mystery to fans of why Macho was not working with WWE more, unhealthy minds had enough to get the ball rolling. No coherent narrative over time.
@@agentnine3973 He's the one that gave JR literally only ten seconds to process the news that Owen died before they went back on the air from the break. Deadass just went, "Owen's dead. And you're on in..."
I watched a documentary on the Owen Hart accident and was appalled. I have rudimentary training in confined space entry which uses harnesses often like what Owen was wearing. If the proper, universal safety checks were done properly, Owen would could be wrestling today. Owen should have had proper training to ensure his equipment was correct and he could check it (self-check) a second or even third team member should have checked it (two in this case since Owen was not trained) and a third check/verification should have been done by whoever was leading the team lowering him down. There should have been an equipment checklist completed. This system has saved so many lives in my experience. It's a tragedy and should have never happened.
Checklist wouldn't have helped? You should know the lewmar quick release shackle had no safety, a new born could pull it out. It was released by Owen just wriggling. You'd never use such a shackle to hold any form of weight in a life or death situation. Checking the equipment 100 times wouldn't have prevented the ignorance of the stunt coordinator thinking such a shackle was safe. Once they decided to use that quick release shackle no amount of checks, verification or anything would have prevented his death.
He'd be pushing 60. I get that you are a small child who doesn't understand, but if he had lived that day he wouldnt have stayed the same age forever. Sad that I have to explain this but wrestling fans so it's expected.
Let’s also remember that WWE didn’t give a damn about Windham Rotunda (Bray Wyatt)problems after Huber’s passing. They didn’t help him, buried him in his feud with Orton, fired him, continues still to this day and for Christmas to send the Fiend’s merchandise and keep on saying that he deserved it on social media. I’m alright to forgive anybody, but this is a tough one though and way worse than Nia Jax imo.
The vast majority of fans are okay with Hogan coming back. Saying a word in a private setting that was secretly being recorded doesn't erase a legacy like his.
I agree! They should sent her to the PC years ago, and fired her if deemed still unsafe! I don't agree with the timing of the firing! It proves WWE doesn't care about her and even less about the girls she injured, they used her until it wasn't beneficial to them!
to fire her was unnecessary, she would have needed way more training, and after the break, it would have been the best timing. to also chew out the nonsense: lamia released at least 2 videos, with pure criticism on her recklessness and how the whole thing got handled. so they wouldn't white Knight nia.
@Alfie Johnso No, that's not what happened. Bret didn't mind dropping the belt to anybody who wasn't named Shawn Michaels because of a conversation they had months earlier before the match at Survivor Series
You should have mentioned that WWE distanced themselves from people who were affected by the Benoit murder/suicide case, specifically the families that were affected by the whole incident. Most notably David and Sandra. For me, that was an unforgivable moment that I will never forgive the WWE for.
True, and I think David said he went to multiple shows while he got older, and they were super great to him! But… As far as I know, they distanced after the tragedy.
@@chrisrichard3380 I can't forgive Vince for how he just simply called Benoit a 'monster' in an interview. What a nice thing to call someone who snapped from mental illness and brain damage caused by Wrestling. /sarcasm
@@Liquid_Mike Thousands. I personally know thousands of wrestlers who died from covid during that Wrestlemania event. It was madness. So many bodies. They were warned and they didn't care. So callous. Piles upon piles of corpses backstage. They were dying so fast. If you mean outside of that then it's in the millions. I personally know millions of people who died from covid. Why are you asking? Are you smarter than scientists? Could you tell us all your knowledge of covid please?
Should have released her earlier, or later, but not while on a mental health break. It's not just about her. Cuz that now means no one, in WWE, can take a mental health break and be sure they won't be let go. Dumb kids.
Seeing Vince so casually throw himself off those stairs to reassure Gronkowski never ceases to make me smile. Then I remember all the other crazy things Vince has done to himself. "I would never ask you to do something I wouldn't do myself." I believe him.
Lol...wwe made stars out of Chris Jericho, Eddie, Chris Benoit, Ray, and Booker T ....what did WCW do for them? Besides feed the to the NWO of 40 year Olds ? WWE has done a lot wrong but I don't get that.... one...
@@williamhutto5708Those Guys Were Vanilla Midgets & Booker T Is Black. WWE Pushes Other Companies Small Dudes And Heavyweights In Cruiserweights Bodies And Only Booker T Because He's Black. They Still Didn't Have A 100% Black WWE World Champion. Kofi Kingston Won It But He Was Someone Casuals Refused.
Vince knew the night Owen died that if they told the in-house crowd, there would have been a mass backlash and the rest of the show would have been forced to end. So in essence, Vince knew that keeping the show going was in bad taste. RIP Owen. You were too good for the company you died in.
@@dakotakulha8376 so the show is way more important than a man's life isee i see..... i knew there was a reason that i always hated with a passion anyone who ever set foot in a drama class......
Members of the audience have come forward saying it felt weird carrying on with the show on finding out what happened. The show doesn't have to go on in certain circumstances. They should have cancelled. They made his shaken up colleagues perform right where he died. That's disgusting, "the show" is no excuse for that.
Gotta love that because of something WWE did THEY fired that Muhammad Hassan guy. What a shame for him. Did what he was told then got fired cause of WWE being dumb
It was tv, and they weren't real terrorists if they mocked it on tv or made fun of the attacks I'd agree but it was just a couple of masked nobodies attacking the undertaker? I don't blame WWE for that coincidence.
Hulk Hogan being let back in the HoF is fine. I don’t think personal life should reflect on in-ring performance. He IS the reason WWE is what it is today.
The Road Warrior Hawk incident about his drug problem should've made this list also. It was much like Vince McMahon, very low class. Just saying. RIP Hawk & Animal
Yeah, releasing Nia was the right decision, they just handled it badly. I love that picture of the angry outraged girl in the crowd, that was when Miz beat Randy Orton (I think) for the WWE title. They use that image a lot! If looks could kill...
You forgot to add Undertaker’s streak ending. Honestly, I will never forgive WWE for letting the streak end like that at Wrestlemania 30. He got a concussion, fans were just shocked and visibly pissed off.
@@aaronsmall6532 Undertaker hand picked Brock to break the streak. It had to be somebody who could legitimately beat him. Who else but a former UFC heavy weight champion
Here are two other words: Piggy James. They insulted Mickie for her supposed weight gain. Not to mention, the way they put her belongings in a trash bag and shipped it to her after releasing her.
Tbh the montreal screwjob is very low in terms of unforgivable things. Yes they screwed Bret in his home country but in the long run it all worked out: Bret was on his way out, Mr. McMahon (the greatest villain of the Attitude Era) was born, and this paved the way for the next 5+ years of wrestling history.
I kind of see it from both sides. I’m pretty sure if Alundra Blaze didn’t straight up disrespect Vince & the company by throwing their belt in the trash on live tv from the set of your biggest rival then things could’ve been different. That was truly shitty on her side. It’s bad enough they’re dropping dimes on what’s going to happen on your show on a weekly basis. If they knew that Bret didn’t want to drop it to Shawn & that he would’ve dropped to someone else...then why not let him drop it to someone else? Hell Austin would’ve been perfect. Restart the feud the way they lead into WM13 & have Austin come out on top. I think it was WM13. That’s been forever ago & I’m sure plenty will correct me if I’m wrong. I’m sure there are a couple more wrestlers that he could’ve dropped it to, but those would have been the best options in my opinion. Hell they could’ve given it right back to Shawn not long after Bret left. I guess Vince just has to be Vince at all cost & shine at all cost.
WrestleMania during Covid to me personally was AWESOME... Something different and during a time of extreme Strife... As a fan it was much needed especially it was FREE
NO! It was unforgiveable! Just think about the countless wrestlers who contracted covid at that very event and DIED!! I can't even remember how many died. So many bodies. Piles of corpses backstage. It was a bloodbath. Genocide. Thousands dead in an instant. And you're saying that's AWESOME?!?
@@itchiegames wow .. I didn't say anything about wrestlers dying nor contacting COVID.. with everything going on all around during that time.. they took the risk and knew the risk and went out and performed their very best to at least give something special that probably won't happen again in our lifetimes.. so let it be and give it a rest . .. God bless you and carry on with you and yours
@@mycahjofficial bro that angle is goated , idk if it’s nostalgia because I grew up when they were the top heels but I loved that angle , 8 year old me hated them so much although it does have its flaws not even going to lie
@@uncletislost The angle was good at first, they made some pretty effective heels and have had their memorable moments. The issue that I had is that it lasted way too long to the point that it lasted for three pissing years. And it’s not just even that, it’s also the lack of comeuppance that they received for their troubles especially Stephanie McMahon. They honestly should’ve stopped after Survivor Series 2014.
Pat Patterson! Barry orton and roddy piper. Fabulous moolah/ screw job on Wendi ritcher and focus pimping Vince McMahon steroid use rita way too much CBA. But Carlos Colon needs removing from hall of fame
I'm gonna comment with the ones im familiar with. I stopped watching like a year or 2 after the Attitude era so take it with a grain of salt lol.#10, I heard she was rude and unprofessional behind the scenes to other wrestlers as well as being stiff and injuring other divas in the ring. That may be the reason but the way was unprofessional. Well the rest didn't save. Here's a comment for the algorithm at least lol 😁
My honorable mentions: WWE not giving Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit any time off from WWE and WWE releasing their best in-ring wrestlers from their contracts.
True cause if Eddie and Benoit had time off between 2004-2005 they wouldn’t have died eddie would have gotten help with his heart condition and Benoit would have gotten help with his mental problems
Vince Mcmahon saying the n word should be put in the greatest moments of all time list. Not this one. Also, despite hogan being a politician who ruin so much, he still is an icon, so he should still be in the hall of fame. Its not like he murdered someone. Putting the Montreal screwjob on this list is also really dumb.
Yeah he talked about it on his podcast. Basically they gave him the update that Owen had died, he needed to tell the Universe, and we are live on you in 10.... Also the Jeff Jarrett/Debra promo was shot with them working on Owen in the same area. JJ was cutting that promo watching them try to save his friend. Anyway you look at it NOT a proud moment for WWE.
*Wrestlemania 36:* one of the _saddest_ and most _depressing_ _Mania Event_ in the history of *WWF/WWE.* I’ve seen them all, and honestly that one was just excruciating to watch trough.
@@evansgate If chris benoit decided to murder his family in the centre of the ring... Sure? He could have the award for the darkest day. But a beloved man falling 80 feet in front of 16,000 people and 400,000+ people at home is something else. Especially when you consider wrestlers performing on the blood stained mat and weren't even aware it was Owens blood. Owens death scarred people and it made people stop watching. Chris benoit was more of a tragic story that was told, it was never truly felt.
As far as Owen Hart is concerned while I agree it may have been in bad taste to continue (especially when his blood was still on the canvas) other sports have had athletes suffer major injuries or even pass away and had the event continued. Auto Racing is especially known for this and the biggest example is when JD McDuffie lost his life in 1991 on a crash at Watkins Glen. The announcers even said "we don't want to be here, the drivers don't want to be here, but ITS OUR JOB"
I think WWE handled Covid amazingly I mean you can’t really criticize them when no one was saying anything about the NBA still playing all their games at the same time.
I was watching the PPV live when Owen died. I can understand why they kept the show going, but it made it feel pretty awkward watching it. I can't imagine how it would've been to be there in person.
It was less awkward. We didn't get blue balled. We got to see it. Honestly when I watched it I couldn't imagine them not showing it. It was easily the best part of the event. The pop from the crowd when we heard the pop from his head hitting the ring post was deafening. I still get chills to this day about it. One of the best memories I have of taking my kids to wrestling shows back in the day. They loved that one and we had really good seats which we normally didn't get. We used to have a VHS of it that we took but it got worn out a few years back and it wasn't a great angle or anything. 1999 cameras weren't HD lol. You could still see him hit on the tape, but not the aftermath as much.
I eventually grew out of watching professional wrestling, but it was such a staple experience of my childhood that it makes me grateful that content like this exists and explains things I may not have understood as a naive child.
Same. After Eddie's and Benoit passing, I still watched WWE as a kid but now, I can't go back and watch. I'll watch till 04 but that's it. I never got closure from Eddie and Benoit passing. Those were just dark times
I remember watching story lines that were just “dropped” and I was super confused as if I missed something. Turns out it was just how it works backstage.
So you put those 2 up at the top? Ending a fake staged fight record based on a script is almost equal to a man dying? You wrestling fans need to get a grip on reality and go take some adult education classes.
@@silverdollar7594 It’s a dam you if do dam you if you don’t situation. Let’s be honest if Vince had stop show he would have been sued for Breach of contract by the pay-per-view providers and the people who own the arena. Not mention the Hart family would have still sued Vince. It would have been the beginning of the end for the wwf for sure.
Don’t you know that the TV says that saying the N word is the worst thing in the world anyone can do? Now they can call each other it all day everyday but that’s ok. Welcome to the world of mental gymnastics.
I remember the Muhammad Hassan bit. I saw it on TV, and I was like okay. Looking back at how terrorism was big that time, and how it affected the way I saw Muslims and Arabs, yeah it kinda fanned the fires. I feel bad for Mark Copani though. He was done dirty for playing someone
I don't know whats harder to wrap my head around. The Owen hart fall or the benoit murders. Either way i feel like both were handled poorly and maybe some foul play in both stories but thats just my opinion.
Vince sees his wrestlers as commodities he's the modern day PT Barnum. He's gotten wealthy on the back of his wrestlers broken bodies and some cases is responsible for their early deaths.
I'm sorry, but half this list is PC BS. You mention the black face of KPac, but not the half black face from Rowdy Roddy Piper. Without Hulk Hogan, there would be no WWE. Hulk Hogan MADE WWF. How about the way Kofi Kingston lost the championship? I agree with Owen Hart being #1.
False. WWF/E would have been fine without him. That was Vince’s Senior plan, to have territories co exist. Only Hogan thinks he’s that important, cuz he’s an egomaniac. Pro wrestling would still exist, without that poser.
I don't disagree with Wrestlemania 36 in 2020 happening. If it didn't, we wouldn't see 74 year old, turning 75 years old later that year, Vince Mcmahon jump about 20 feet on a mat for the company he loves and Undertakers retirement match against AJ Styles alongside Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson. In fact, if WWE kept it in the actual stadium with fans instead of the performance center for just ONE more week on the 16th March 2020 episode of Monday Night Raw, "316 Day" would've been a lot better to watch and less boring . We couldve had a massive crowd pop.
Fans : “Nia Jax is an unsafe worker! She should be fired!”
Also Fans : “Nia Jax was fired while she was on a mental health break. How dare WWE!”
I know!!!
I said the same thing!
I swear to god I hope this doesn’t happen but I can see nia jax being one of those wrestlers that leaves us way to soon and wwe taking a lot of heat her family history is the basis for my prediction
Very true.
Still glad she's gone. But not cool how they did it.
I'm just happy she's gone.
The upset look on Lawler's face really tells a story (and it's not part of the show). :(
After 20 years, your legacy still lives on, Owen, RIP.
Forever the king of hearts
Now his legacy is all elite
I still believe That after JR announce it to the people at home but Jerry the King Lawler wanted to go and the ring and tell the people live
Yeah
He was a great person and I had the pleasure of meeting him in Calgary at the Calgary stampede we just sat around enjoying a cold beer with him being very kind and very funny
i’ll never let go of the whole owen hart situation.
Good! What they did really is unforgivable.
Yea that couldn’t be explained.
@inoy shut up
Me either
Actually, I don’t think it’s a big deal. Everyone was in shock. Everyone was just reacting on autopilot. I can’t fault them for not ending the show. Yes, it would have been nice and respectful but a sudden death can be such a shock I can imagine them not concerning themselves with the optics and just operating on instinct. No one had ever suggested a protocol on what they would do if a performer died on the show, because they truly never for saw that happening. Now it is in the company handbook what to do.
The Owen Hart tragedy is, by far, the most disgusting, despicable, and greedy act this company has ever done. Not canceling a scripted show after a man legitimately loses his life is unforgivable, no matter what the reason is.
The same Owen that broke Austin’s neck and never even apologised.
I agree.
It only looks really bad in hindsight and with contemporary moral wokescolding in mind. It was definitely the wrong call, but in the moment when you've got tens of thousands of people in an arena and hundreds of thousands on PPV, I legit don't think Vince was thinking about money. He was just thinking about what you even do in that situation. It's easy to say "Send them home, cancel the PPV" but that's not realistic at all. In the real world, there are a lot more moving parts.
The NFL canceled their MNF game when Demar Hamlin had a heart attack on the field, and in that case Hamlin eventually recovered.
You’re at new points of low when the NFL has better morals than you.
Vinces revenge for bret spitting in his face and knocking him out in montreal, six months later Owen dies.
I don’t blame Martha Hart for not letting WWE induct Owen into the WWE HOF. What WWE did was careless and they are responsible for his death despite the unintended consequences. Owen is by far one of my favourite wrestlers of all time and I’m so glad AEW and Martha are honouring him in their own way.
It's messed up that they didn't stop the show that night, but can you really blame them for the accident.
I mean it was an accident, and it wasn't like it was the first time they did that stunt (though I believe it was the last)
It was an accident, no one forced him to do it. He commented and am accident occurred.. it was bad taste though for not stopping the show.
@@nobodyfamousXIt was an accident because they weren’t using the proper wiring required. So yes I can blame them.
They FUCKING USED A CLAMP THAT RELEASED WHEN IT BEARS A LOAD BECAUSE THE REAL EQUIPMENT LOOKED TO CLONKY AND PROPER RIGGERS WERE EXPENSIVE……..hook weight = open…..THEY FUCKED HIM. They fucking fucked him. They are responsible. Tragic -yes but PREVENTABLE
@@NormieGenie I didn't know that
I saw the raw episode where stone cold downs the beers for owen. It felt weird for some reason and it's a sad episode. The fact that JR started to cry as he dismissed the fans watching made me cry as well. If it weren't for that stupid gimmick he would have still been with us.
The gimmick was kind of a punishment. For what, I am not entirely sure, but when Owen was doing his Black Hart gimmick -- which I thought was starting to look great -- Shawn Michaels complained, allegedly. The Blue Blazer began afterwards.
He would still be alive today if he didn't die then? Odd, how can you know that? Plane crashes, car accidents, random acts of violence, health problems. What inside knowledge do you have about him to know for a fact that he'd be alive?
I guarantee you dont know the family, you didnt know him personally, you dont know anybody connected to the family. I'm positive you're a complete nobody who has the mental capacity of a 10 year old child saying dumb things that make you feel good.
Never forget Owen Hart, he died for a company that lied. Forever young and gone too soon
He died doing what he loved and that was wrestling. He could have no showed the event but did he, no
@angelrosie97 Rock climbers suffer the same thing. We all sacrifice our lives every second of the day. Owen died doing what he loved and that's it. No ands, if, or buts about it
@angelrosie97 Doesn't matter. We all have the probability of dying young. I almost took my life at 14 but would anyone be defensive over that, no. Life is borrowed time. God called him home and that is it. Stop making pathetic excuses just because u can't live in the real world
@angelrosie97 What facts support it besides your own biases against Vince? U clearly can't accept the fact that things do go wrong in theater. The show goes on no matter what. Did wrestling stop after Jay Briscoe's car accident that killed him?
@angelrosie97 As a professional wrestler that signs a contract, they signed that they know they can die and be severely injured stupid
It's kinda hard to " fire" someone when they already walked out of the company and quit 6 months ago.
That's why I never felt bad for that one, because he clearly didn't want to be there.
On top of them giving him the world title for 434 days. Punk acts like he was buried when he was treated better than anyone on the full time roster other than Cena
@@MechaSandvich yes he did had the championship for that long but punk was never treated like he was the company's champion as all the main event matches in all per per view while he was champion went to Cena. A stupid match like Cena vs Laurinaitis was the main event at Over the limit. He did not get the main event in wrestlemaina when he was the champion because Vince wanted Rock vs Cena part 2. This is what made him sick of them. There is no point of being champion for that long when you are still treated as no big deal, with no main events at all. That was stupid on WWE's part. If Cena were champ, he would be main eventing every damn thing.
@@DurgeshSingh1 I'm not Punk fan by any means, but don't forget to mention that Punk was white hot popular and HHH came out of retirement for no other reason than to squash him. That feud honestly could have been fantastic even if Punk were to lose 2 of 3, the amount of credibility he could have gotten out of it could have been staggering...instead...
They did the exact same thing to Daniel Bryan as well only rectifying their mistake at the absolute last minute and in a move that (let's be honest...) was underwhelming to say the least
@@MechaSandvich while having that title reign he had to take the back seat to John Cena and The rock multiple times as they had the Main event at wrestlemania while he didn’t even though he was champion
For me it was a bunch of things.
1:Breaking Undertaker's streak at WM.
2:When Randy Orton said Eddie was in Hell(I know Randy didn't want to do it.)
3:Making fun of JR's Bell's Palsy.
4:Owen Hart's death cause of a stupid gimmick he shouldn't have been doing.
Literally nobody cares. You are nothing. Your opinions are worthless.
Didn’t mention the way Triple H disrespected Booker T
There might be another list of unforgivable things WWE has done coming soon. Just a matter of time.
Oh goodness. That booking. 🤦♂️
Oh snap, Jason can speak.
I had no idea about it till Wrestlelamia said something about it, crazy and is very upsetting.
Not to mention Triple H is steroid user
This just shows how heartless Vince McMahon truly is. Owen's death is the reason my sister stopped watching the WWE. She like many others believed that the pay-per-view should have been stopped. The saddest thing is the fact Jerry Lawler was the first person in the ring after Owen fell. He said the image of Owen's face after his mask was removed still haunts him to this day.
I can’t lie Vince is a sick guy
@@jamaicagreen2986 and that surprises you how the man exploited jake the snake roberts alcohol problem to further a storyline
There is a special place in hell for VKM
I was the same way I found WWF was just garbage after Owens death so I stopped watching too after Raw is Owen. They could have made a better tribute to Owen
@@henry-bl3wr Didn't they also do it with Hawk? I recently found out that Vince had him fall off the titantron only a few months after Owens fall which many believed was tasteless and out of order because they were already under fire for that and now they had a man who was known to have a drinking problem do a stunt like that
It's a shame that the WWF didn't cancel the rest of Over the Edge 1999 immediately after Owen died. The Undertaker won the WWF Championship the same night in the same arena Owen Hart died in. Because they didn't end the show and the WWF title changed hands, it's going to be hard to try & forget about Over the Edge 1999 when the WWF title changed hands.
Why would you want to forget it?
With his wife holding all material it seems a lot of people will forget that day and Owen as they never will get a chance to see a single match.
The show must go on
Wait that was the name of the pay per view.. and people actually believe this was an accident
Don't you know the show must go on and they live very well knowing that?
One you forgot to mention was Vince firing Jim Ross for having bell's palsy and later mocking him for having the illness. I swear Vince is a devil. There's no remorse or decency whatsoever in him.
I know why he is the way he is. Cause I'm one, a New Englander.....
Sometimes Vince is good, sometimes he is bad.
A few of the goods moments I picked up.
Vince paid for Andre’s medical treatment.
Vince thought of milking the Mankind character but allowed Mick Foley to do his Dude Love gimmick. If Vince was that bad, he would have denied Mick Foley’s dream request.
Sherri Martell passed away and it was revealed that Vince McMahon paid for the headstone and demanded to not receive credit for it.
(Quite a lot of Vince's former employees have had kind things to say about his attitude towards the talent. Spike Dudley noted in shoot interviews that one of the reasons the cruiserweight division in WWE never rose to the heights the WCW version did was that Vince was genuinely worried the style would end up severely injuring someone. Likewise, when Joey Mercury was originally let go from WWE, Vince apparently personally sat down with him and told him that he (and the company) were genuinely worried Joey would die due to his drug issues if WWE continued to subject him to the rigours of a full touring schedule.)
(When Harley Race passed away, it came to light via Trevor Murdoch (a former WWE superstar and student of Race's) that he needed to be transported by helicopter to receive treatment for his failing condition. His insurance wouldn't even entertain the thought of spending the money for it, so out of desperation, a call was made to WWE. 10 minutes later, the flight was paid in full. Vince would have undoubtedly had a word in that decision and as Murdoch put it, "He didn't even blink an eye. He wanted to make sure Harley was taken care of".)
(It was rumored that after Brock Lesnar broke The Undertaker's streak, Undertaker collapsed backstage and was rushed to the hospital. in 2020's Undertaker: The Last Ride, it was not only confirmed that Vince and Lesnar both went to his hospital, they also followed the ambulance that 'Taker was in. Vince left the biggest show of his company just to make sure Undertaker was alright.)
(After he left WWE, Bryan Danielson (who had nothing but good things to say about Vince and his time in WWE) revealed in an interview that Vince was very protective of him in an almost fatherly way. His match against Drew Gulak at Elimination Chamber 2020 made Vince very upset with the-then Daniel Bryan when he came backstage afterwards- not because the match wasn't good, but because during it Bryan had taken a German suplex from Gulak badly and landed on his head (always something scary with Bryan having only returned from a medically-mandated retirement a few years earlier). Vince told Bryan "The match was great, but you can't do that!")
@@赤ゲキ All of the things you mentioned still sounds like Vince McMahon taking care of his investments, the people making him money, instead of genuinely caring for other people.
@@juanmiguellucero3578
As I said, if he is that heartless, he won’t even care 1 bit, investment or not.
That’s a big one… I don’t get the people defending Vince, he’s a monster.
Exploiting Eddie's death was disgusting. I think that was the turning point, the point when Vince was officially known as completely insane
@inoy hi 👋 bot 🤖
It was disgusting. That’s why it was such a good way to get heat
All in bad taste and we even got to suffer his wife as an on screen character for sometime afterwards.
@@DizzleDog yeah but using a real life death for a wrestling angle is pushing the line between good heat, as in fans tuning in and disgust and turning viewers away.
@@martynodonnell8467 I can understand being angry over using the storyline involving a wrestlers death. I can only hope that Eddie would have wanted it that way because he clearly loved wrestling. The storylines are messed up sometimes. Look at the storyline involving Kurt Angle and his wife which became his ex-wife during a TNA angle. Edge and Lita. Or many other storylines that were messed up but brought in a lot of viewers.
I’m glad WWE gave his wife a job after he died because she lost her source of income. Remember they made you hate her on purpose lol
7:48
Again, who cares? You looking to boost your social credit score? Because that's practically all I'm taking away from this video.
*The fact that the company continued the Over the Edge pay-per-view after announcing Owen’s death was just absolutely revolting and downright disrespectful. I fully respect Martha’s decision for not allowing them to induct Owen into the Hall of Fame because the way the company poorly handled his death*
@KiLDiG Horror Movie Archive I don’t even watch WWE anymore but I’m just stating what they did was just dead wrong.
Kildig, he probably still likes watching WWE, and is just still annoyed about the Owen Hart situation.
Also, I get what you meant when you said to get over it, but it is hard to get over something like Owen Hart's death.
But you can't be too surprised because Vince doesn't care he only cares about money Shane McMahon you'll say hate his own father for a long time and he left.
Tony khan is so good.... announced Owen hart tournament om AEW.... owen hart, A wwe wrestler who vince killlled and buried.
Finally giving him his due respect
@KiLDiG Horror Movie Archive have some Shame and humanity.
I'm glad #1 was Over The Edge 1999. Because of the incident it's labeled as the worst PPV of all time in my opinion and it's the only time I supported WWE in deleting/removing clips from their content as the Owen Hart would've made the PPV unbearable to watch knowing that they continued the PPV despite his death. Martha Hart has every right to hate Vince McMahon's guts.
Apparently she recently stated that she has nothing against Vince.
What she doesn't have every right to do however, is to ruin Owen's legacy, letting him be forgotten, no wrestler wants their career to be forgotten, she is a b***h and Bret is not a fan of her either, as he has every right to hate her guts.
how did the audience not leave at that point anyway? Who sees a dude fall to his death and then sit back down to watch more Wrrrrestling content?
@@LoveProWrestling Hazarding a guess? Shock. People react differently to things and there is that component of Freeze in times of shock.
@@LoveProWrestling the fans in attendance didn’t know Owen had died until after the show
7:38 it was really funny when Vince Said N-word to John Cena and then Bookers reaction 😂
They took care of Eddy's family. Vickie having a prominent role on tv for nearly a decade? making her a heel? (which she did a great job of), they dont take good care of many people but that isnt the case with Guerrero.
You're right. But the extent they used his death in storyline sucked.
Care? Brah vicky and chavo both work in AEW
@@BitterTruth-me1nl on their own volition tho. i could just be not seeing something but i haven’t heard anything from vickey or chavo on how they hated the WWE
@@TheRuns2 amd aew is currently using peoples deaths for money too, both companies do it stop being a hypocrite with who can and cant
@@agentnine3973 I said nothing praising AEW or to insinuate AEW wouldn't do this. It was wrong, regardless of the organization. And AEW has nothing to do with the topic.
For the life of me, I cannot remember anyone being pissed off that Nia Jax was fired.
The superfans were
I was like who??
I had no idea she was fired. If I knew before seeing this I'd be 1 if them (mad she was fired)
Ya this list is dumb
For the life of me, I cannot remember anyone named Nia Jax.
Might as well told me that Joe Schmo got fired from Starbucks yesterday. Ok, who and why should I care?
Nia Jax was widely regarded as a bad worker and people hated working with her because she constantly injured others.
Still doesn't mean you fire someone when they are taking a mental health break.
@@JoeCool90 Yes it does lmao If you suck at flipping burgers, McDonalds isn’t going to stop from firing you because you’re sad 😂😂
Exactly
@@oTroubles except its illegal to.
@@JoeCool90 THAT PART.
I still cringe when I think about the way Owen Hart died. Being so high up in the air like that, I can’t imagine how terrified he must have felt when he was released from his harness.
Never forget Kevin Dunn killed Owen Hart.
@@thepolarphantasm2319 Kevin Dunn is the biggest disgrace in the wrestling industry
What scares is that I’ve heard stories from people who were at the event that after the fall Owen hart tried to sit up for a second and almost did before just lying there lifeless
He was terrified, Jim Ross talked to him before the event and he said:
JR: "I'm terrified of heights"
Owen: "Me too"
@@thepolarphantasm2319 I heard it was Vince Russo
Honorable mentions to add to the unforgivable list:
Overlooking or not offering proper assistance to wrestlers struggling with addiction, drugs, alcohol, depression or suicidal ideations.
Sweeping the whole Triple H & Stephanie affair (WHILE he was still with Chyna) under the rug. Chyna never really recovered from that blow, and admitted she was still in love with him at the time. WWE released her soon after and never really gave her the credit she deserved.
Firing JR.
WWE 2k20 game.
Chyna was not released she wanted too much money so WWE did not renew her contract
And WWE covered Jon Moxley's recent stint in alcohol rehab, so there's that. (However, that might have been Trips okaying it, and not Vince)
cant beliebe no one mentioned making sgt slaughter anti-american
was atrocious
"Firing JR"....which time though?
Drunk jr....I mean that's not that weird
"Vince McMahon is a fictional character, one that I, Vince McMahon, owner of WWE approve all the lines for." What an amazing excuse. XD
It's not an excuse. Haven't you seen the news. The "Vince" character is actually a character, it's an extremely toned down, less deranged version of the real Vince.
When i was a kid i thought i was trippin .. but they really used eddies death to push certain people that wouldnt have been pushed otherwise i thought i was crazy as a kid but i guess i wasnt , im a fan of rey but i never liked that he only got a push based on eddies death.
Agree! I remember seeing that Randy was so pissed that he was forced to say that Eddie was in hell. I know it's not his fault, he's only following Vincent and directors' instructions and script, but that was so low. So disrespectful. After everything Eddie did for the company, so disgusting to have to use his death to push others.
Orton even said that he did not want to do it but even Rey said Eddie would have wanted you to say it.
According to those closest to Eddie they say he wouldn’t have had a problem with it, almost nobody understood the business better than Eddie, and they say he would’ve recognized that it was just business
@@bobutley1468 Yeah, it may still look gross to an outsider, but if those closest to him say he would've been fine with it, or even wanted it, then we really don't have any right to complain.
Honorable mention:
Turning PG in 2009
Meh, they pretty much had to.
Considering the way this list has been except for a few things all the rest are not to be something unforgiveable. The world has gone very soft and gets offended very quickly the attitude era wont survive today because of the pc culture today
I'm surprised you didn't mention that they interviewed Melanie Pillman hours after Brian Pillman's death.
Yes Melanie is a horrible person and drove Brian's ex to suicide, but it was still trashy of Vince.
Sounds like Vince dishing out karma. Very much approved.
Well be grateful Nia Jax got released because no more Nia, no more Women getting injuried
Bro, that’s facts right there.
But you have to understand is the same thing with the undertaker because he was a top guy back in the days and when restless didn't listen or follow with Vince wanted they would get abused and beat up for real by take her it's called hazing the same thing happened with Ryback or Nia jax whoever , they were told to do that because Kevin Dunn is a real idiot no one likes that guy at all and for anyone to come to WWE is a real fool as well after Vince and who he really is and how he acts.
@@floofles9473 well Wrestlelamia loves to bash Wwe too much. Yes the company can be douchey but they never talk about the good things about it. They always have to find every bad thing that sometimes isnt even that bad.
Sasha Banks has a few casualties at her hands.
I agree.
For me, the constant shunning and blacklisting of Macho Man from returning was unforgivable. He should’ve been allowed back in.
If you believe the rumors, I'm pretty sure Vince is justified in harboring anger towards Macho Man.
I mean, I'd be pretty upset if I found out my teenage daughter was 'involved' with someone of his age. #justsayin
@@BeckyAnn6879 I'm sure Vince is a letch himself. It wouldn't surprise me if he was doing stuff with Divas several decades younger then him.
But yet triple h didn't get fired or blacklisted for having an affair with Stephanie while he was with chyna..
@@darlenemcmillin3926 Stephanie wasn't a child when her and Triple H got together, also he wasn't married to Chyna so it's not an affair, also why would u punish your employee for having an affair it not illegal
@@BeckyAnn6879 origin of the rumor appears to be a very short no detail anonymous 9-15-2004 posting on Death Valley Driver board in a thread asking for weird/shocking dirt few people know about. Notably Stephanie would have been 17-19 years old during the claimed time. “Macho had his way with Stephanie (she was about 14 then) back in 94/95 and that Vince found out and that was the true ending for Macho Man in WWF. Makes sense as the gent never was asked back or has been really showcased in those nostalgia video packages they do from time to time.” Around the time Macho had some real life minor drama with 3H over a dinosaur comment including Macho spouting he could romance his wife away in a rant, typical of Macho. With the mystery to fans of why Macho was not working with WWE more, unhealthy minds had enough to get the ball rolling. No coherent narrative over time.
By keeping the show going after the Owen incident, he basically destroyed evidence.
Always wondered, why when we talk about continuing Over The Edge, no one talks about Kevin Dunn?
Jim Cornette did...oh,boy...
Sorry, i think i missed something what did dunn do?
@@agentnine3973 He's the one that gave JR literally only ten seconds to process the news that Owen died before they went back on the air from the break. Deadass just went, "Owen's dead. And you're on in..."
@@sgtleppard really?
@@KiaraWilliamsX Yeah, and I wish it was a joke. It was covered on Dark Side of the Ring. JR talked about it
I saw a lot of good reception about Nia being released
I did too!
I watched a documentary on the Owen Hart accident and was appalled. I have rudimentary training in confined space entry which uses harnesses often like what Owen was wearing. If the proper, universal safety checks were done properly, Owen would could be wrestling today. Owen should have had proper training to ensure his equipment was correct and he could check it (self-check) a second or even third team member should have checked it (two in this case since Owen was not trained) and a third check/verification should have been done by whoever was leading the team lowering him down. There should have been an equipment checklist completed. This system has saved so many lives in my experience. It's a tragedy and should have never happened.
Checklist wouldn't have helped? You should know the lewmar quick release shackle had no safety, a new born could pull it out. It was released by Owen just wriggling. You'd never use such a shackle to hold any form of weight in a life or death situation. Checking the equipment 100 times wouldn't have prevented the ignorance of the stunt coordinator thinking such a shackle was safe.
Once they decided to use that quick release shackle no amount of checks, verification or anything would have prevented his death.
@@lapactic7353 insightful comment. Thank you very much.
He'd be pushing 60. I get that you are a small child who doesn't understand, but if he had lived that day he wouldnt have stayed the same age forever. Sad that I have to explain this but wrestling fans so it's expected.
@@itchiegamestf are you even saying you idiot
Let’s also remember that WWE didn’t give a damn about Windham Rotunda (Bray Wyatt)problems after Huber’s passing. They didn’t help him, buried him in his feud with Orton, fired him, continues still to this day and for Christmas to send the Fiend’s merchandise and keep on saying that he deserved it on social media. I’m alright to forgive anybody, but this is a tough one though and way worse than Nia Jax imo.
“Mental health break” …… damn.
The vast majority of fans are okay with Hogan coming back. Saying a word in a private setting that was secretly being recorded doesn't erase a legacy like his.
I’m not sure #10 wasn’t overdue. She should have been fired way earlier than she was.
The only reason they didn't release her sooner was because they knew people like wrestlelamia would white knight for her
I agree! They should sent her to the PC years ago, and fired her if deemed still unsafe! I don't agree with the timing of the firing! It proves WWE doesn't care about her and even less about the girls she injured, they used her until it wasn't beneficial to them!
to fire her was unnecessary, she would have needed way more training, and after the break, it would have been the best timing.
to also chew out the nonsense: lamia released at least 2 videos, with pure criticism on her recklessness and how the whole thing got handled. so they wouldn't white Knight nia.
Agree. Nia was in WWE, way too long.
@@trueSconox just saying: I “forgive” wwe
Fun Fact, Florida declared that WWE were "essential workers"
Every job is essential to the worker earning a paycheck from it
What do you expect? It’s Florida
My left nut is an essential worker.
@@nathanlong8295 how ironic. My right nut is also an essential worker. My left one is quite lazy though
@@jasonsierchio1167
That just means you're not good at fondling.
Bruh , the hell is the DX segment unforgivable? That segment is absolutely hilarious ?
For number 9, Bret didn’t mind dropping the title to Shawn but didn’t want to do it in Montreal
Wait really when did he said that
@@retroradiationkingofvideog8526 in Brets mind the plan was suppose to win, then lose it on Raw and go to wcw
@Alfie Johnso No, that's not what happened. Bret didn't mind dropping the belt to anybody who wasn't named Shawn Michaels because of a conversation they had months earlier before the match at Survivor Series
Bret didn't want to lose title in Montreal that's true. But they also offered to have him drop the title a week before and he declined as well.
@@KingGemini87 You are correct.
You should have mentioned that WWE distanced themselves from people who were affected by the Benoit murder/suicide case, specifically the families that were affected by the whole incident. Most notably David and Sandra.
For me, that was an unforgivable moment that I will never forgive the WWE for.
Yeah! I was surprised that didn’t appear on the list!
WWE thought they were the real victims. Just ask Jerry McDevitt.
@@filmbuff2777 what do you mean by that bro??
True, and I think David said he went to multiple shows while he got older, and they were super great to him! But… As far as I know, they distanced after the tragedy.
@@chrisrichard3380 I can't forgive Vince for how he just simply called Benoit a 'monster' in an interview.
What a nice thing to call someone who snapped from mental illness and brain damage caused by Wrestling. /sarcasm
Just wondering how many WWE employees died from having Wrestlemania.
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How many people do you personally know died from covid?
@@Liquid_Mike Thousands. I personally know thousands of wrestlers who died from covid during that Wrestlemania event. It was madness. So many bodies. They were warned and they didn't care. So callous. Piles upon piles of corpses backstage. They were dying so fast.
If you mean outside of that then it's in the millions. I personally know millions of people who died from covid. Why are you asking? Are you smarter than scientists? Could you tell us all your knowledge of covid please?
Everything on this list I agree with except Nia Jax, she’s a hazard
The unforgivable thing was not releasing her sooner
Thank you
Should have released her earlier, or later, but not while on a mental health break. It's not just about her. Cuz that now means no one, in WWE, can take a mental health break and be sure they won't be let go. Dumb kids.
......she's not like the other girls
She was a dangerous person in the ring.. WWE for their credit did the right thing..
Owen Hart's death is still tragic even today . RIP
Absolutely! The stupid thing about it is that it could have been prevented.
Imagine being a wrestler and having to go out and perform in character after a friend and coworker just fell to his death in the ring.
Seeing Vince so casually throw himself off those stairs to reassure Gronkowski never ceases to make me smile.
Then I remember all the other crazy things Vince has done to himself.
"I would never ask you to do something I wouldn't do myself."
I believe him.
Man is fully in it with mind, heart and body.
I will always hate how the wwe would bury the wcw talent that could've been major players in the industry
Prolly one of the few real "crimes" here. Almost everything Wrestlelamia posted was ideological driven horsedung.
I'm this close to unsubscribing.
Lol...wwe made stars out of Chris Jericho, Eddie, Chris Benoit, Ray, and Booker T ....what did WCW do for them? Besides feed the to the NWO of 40 year Olds ? WWE has done a lot wrong but I don't get that.... one...
@@williamhutto5708Those Guys Were Vanilla Midgets & Booker T Is Black. WWE Pushes Other Companies Small Dudes And Heavyweights In Cruiserweights Bodies And Only Booker T Because He's Black. They Still Didn't Have A 100% Black WWE World Champion. Kofi Kingston Won It But He Was Someone Casuals Refused.
Vince knew the night Owen died that if they told the in-house crowd, there would have been a mass backlash and the rest of the show would have been forced to end. So in essence, Vince knew that keeping the show going was in bad taste. RIP Owen. You were too good for the company you died in.
WWE is a TV product and THE SHOW MUST GO ON. Clearly u never been in any sort of drama classes or anything in school
@@dakotakulha8376 so the show is way more important than a man's life isee i see..... i knew there was a reason that i always hated with a passion anyone who ever set foot in a drama class......
@@kokocaptainqc Sorry that u aren't too fond of show business
@@kokocaptainqc Clearly u haven't been a part of plays in school
Members of the audience have come forward saying it felt weird carrying on with the show on finding out what happened. The show doesn't have to go on in certain circumstances. They should have cancelled. They made his shaken up colleagues perform right where he died. That's disgusting, "the show" is no excuse for that.
Gotta love that because of something WWE did THEY fired that Muhammad Hassan guy. What a shame for him. Did what he was told then got fired cause of WWE being dumb
It was tv, and they weren't real terrorists if they mocked it on tv or made fun of the attacks I'd agree but it was just a couple of masked nobodies attacking the undertaker? I don't blame WWE for that coincidence.
I agree at the very least repackage the guy with new character not fire him for doing his job I actually thought he was pretty good wrestler
He legit could have sued the WWE for killing his career.
@@andrewdrennan9436 for sure. They musta paid him off good since he never did
Honorable mention: in 2005 WWE released Dawn Marie after she announced she was pregnant
That era of women's "wrestling" in WWE, was extremely disrespectful.
Mickie James pig segment
@@SandMan1998 oh yeah, I wanted to ram my fist through the tv when I saw that segment & I've tried for years to erase it from my memory
I don’t think Vince and hogan should be penalized for saying the n word. Like your life shouldn’t be ruined over it
Maybe, maybe not, both are absolute scumbags beyond the slur
Hulk Hogan being let back in the HoF is fine. I don’t think personal life should reflect on in-ring performance. He IS the reason WWE is what it is today.
Mmm Hmm
The Road Warrior Hawk incident about his drug problem should've made this list also. It was much like Vince McMahon, very low class. Just saying. RIP Hawk & Animal
Doesn't releasing Nia Jax kinda mean that they *do* care about their talent? I mean, she pretty much lived to hurt her co-workers.
Exactly. She was an ogre, like Ryback. Good riddance.
Yeah, releasing Nia was the right decision, they just handled it badly. I love that picture of the angry outraged girl in the crowd, that was when Miz beat Randy Orton (I think) for the WWE title. They use that image a lot! If looks could kill...
and didn't this channel call for her firing multiple times to ? this channel is the sheep of wrestling channels just follow what other channels say
@@marknoble1220 they handled it fine
@@jaymcelwee6710 it’s cause Nia isn’t a left wing weirdo so this channel hates her
Here goes wrestlelamia re uploading videos they did years ago because they’re running out content
You forgot to add Undertaker’s streak ending. Honestly, I will never forgive WWE for letting the streak end like that at Wrestlemania 30. He got a concussion, fans were just shocked and visibly pissed off.
BS at it's finest/worst :( and Vince is as clueless as Potato of USA on what happened. So many clowns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well that decision was made beforehand. Concussion or not, it was happening.
The Streak was always ending; this is wrestling. When you have something left you give it to someone else
I agree if it was gonna end it should've been any one but brock
@@aaronsmall6532 Undertaker hand picked Brock to break the streak. It had to be somebody who could legitimately beat him. Who else but a former UFC heavy weight champion
As soon as I saw the title of this video, the first words out of my mouth were “Katie Vick”
Here are two other words: Piggy James. They insulted Mickie for her supposed weight gain. Not to mention, the way they put her belongings in a trash bag and shipped it to her after releasing her.
The Nia Jax firing lacks perspective. Unless she was fired for being unable to return then I have trouble seeing anything wrong. She is being paid
Weakest entry on list by far especially as Jax was already seen as a dangerous worker
Also the fans criticized wwe? These are the same fans begging them to fire her for being unsafe to work with
The one that still gets to me was the Katy Vick storyline - making light of necrophilia is pretty sick.
WWE insulting Eddie Guererro's death was unforgivable
Was this "mental health" break allowed by her employer? Are we just going to believe her series of events? Jeez, wrestlelamia is quick to white knight
They're very.. what's that word... well, I guess white knighting is a good way to put it.. they also have a "white savior complex" as well...
@@jasonsierchio1167 the narrator is punjabi. not white.
@@V-for-Vendetta01 r/whooshh
Agreed.
Clearly thrown out there by her to get le oppression points.
F her and everything she stands for.
Hulk gets fired but vince says the same thing, theres wrestlers in blackface, triple H demolishing Booker T before WrestleMania. I could go on and on.
Not racist at all
Tbh the montreal screwjob is very low in terms of unforgivable things. Yes they screwed Bret in his home country but in the long run it all worked out: Bret was on his way out, Mr. McMahon (the greatest villain of the Attitude Era) was born, and this paved the way for the next 5+ years of wrestling history.
I really believe that this was a work shoot
@@sethshepherd3221 ... A "work shoot"? Well, which is it? A "work" is fake and a "shoot" is real.
@@PlumbPitiful A work shoot is basically a work disguised as a shoot to fool the audience in to believing its real beyond kayfabe
@@swavyypressure9417 ... Really? Oh. Ok. Sorry @Seth Shephard. I stand corrected. And I agree. I never believed that whole thing was real.
I kind of see it from both sides. I’m pretty sure if Alundra Blaze didn’t straight up disrespect Vince & the company by throwing their belt in the trash on live tv from the set of your biggest rival then things could’ve been different. That was truly shitty on her side. It’s bad enough they’re dropping dimes on what’s going to happen on your show on a weekly basis.
If they knew that Bret didn’t want to drop it to Shawn & that he would’ve dropped to someone else...then why not let him drop it to someone else? Hell Austin would’ve been perfect. Restart the feud the way they lead into WM13 & have Austin come out on top. I think it was WM13. That’s been forever ago & I’m sure plenty will correct me if I’m wrong. I’m sure there are a couple more wrestlers that he could’ve dropped it to, but those would have been the best options in my opinion. Hell they could’ve given it right back to Shawn not long after Bret left. I guess Vince just has to be Vince at all cost & shine at all cost.
WrestleMania during Covid to me personally was AWESOME...
Something different and during a time of extreme Strife... As a fan it was much needed especially it was FREE
NO! It was unforgiveable! Just think about the countless wrestlers who contracted covid at that very event and DIED!! I can't even remember how many died. So many bodies. Piles of corpses backstage. It was a bloodbath. Genocide. Thousands dead in an instant. And you're saying that's AWESOME?!?
@@itchiegames wow .. I didn't say anything about wrestlers dying nor contacting COVID.. with everything going on all around during that time.. they took the risk and knew the risk and went out and performed their very best to at least give something special that probably won't happen again in our lifetimes.. so let it be and give it a rest . .. God bless you and carry on with you and yours
@@JRRiley-to9ipI’m gonna go out on a limb and say that was probably sarcasm.
@@jonathanfaulkner878 Has to be since zero people contracted covid from wreslemania.
Vince being in charge, the authority angle, stephanies birth, Linda McMahon, vinces nonretirement. Need I go on!
THE AUTHORITY ANGLE ?????????
@@uncletislost The authority is probably my least WWE favorite angle
@@mycahjofficial bro that angle is goated , idk if it’s nostalgia because I grew up when they were the top heels but I loved that angle , 8 year old me hated them so much although it does have its flaws not even going to lie
@@uncletislost The angle was good at first, they made some pretty effective heels and have had their memorable moments. The issue that I had is that it lasted way too long to the point that it lasted for three pissing years. And it’s not just even that, it’s also the lack of comeuppance that they received for their troubles especially Stephanie McMahon. They honestly should’ve stopped after Survivor Series 2014.
@@mycahjofficial I'm not a fan of the Authority angle, but WWE/WWF have had so many angles that were far worse.
Steroids, drugs, ring boys getting mollested, y’all got your priorities messed up with this list.
Pat Patterson! Barry orton and roddy piper.
Fabulous moolah/ screw job on Wendi ritcher and focus pimping
Vince McMahon steroid use rita way too much CBA.
But Carlos Colon needs removing from hall of fame
Agreed.
So much ideologic bull and nothing real it feels like.
I'm gonna comment with the ones im familiar with. I stopped watching like a year or 2 after the Attitude era so take it with a grain of salt lol.#10, I heard she was rude and unprofessional behind the scenes to other wrestlers as well as being stiff and injuring other divas in the ring. That may be the reason but the way was unprofessional. Well the rest didn't save. Here's a comment for the algorithm at least lol 😁
Over the Edge will always be left with a huge sour taste in my mouth. WWE should've ended the ppv or at least delayed it to a later date.
@inoy hi 👋 bot 🤖
The DX segment is hilarious
I don't understand why blackface is offensive. I've seen many black people in Whiteface when dressed up as mimes and clowns and no one seems to care.
That was my comment too... my favorite segment of all time!!!
Nah Nia jax firing valid asf idc about a mental health break
My honorable mentions: WWE not giving Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit any time off from WWE and WWE releasing their best in-ring wrestlers from their contracts.
When did WWE reject requests for their off time?
True cause if Eddie and Benoit had time off between 2004-2005 they wouldn’t have died eddie would have gotten help with his heart condition and Benoit would have gotten help with his mental problems
I didn't know that both Eddie and Chris requested a time-off.
Chris Benoit took a sabbatical in 2006
They exploited Reid Flair's death in the feud between Paige and Charlotte
it’s even more disgusting that they didn’t tell Ric Flair or Reid’s mother that they were doing it
@@faithdickerson5671 to me this and Randy Orton "Eddie's in hell" speech were the lowest point ever reached by WWE writers team, by a long shot.
That was disgusting
No Dignity.
Vince Mcmahon saying the n word should be put in the greatest moments of all time list. Not this one. Also, despite hogan being a politician who ruin so much, he still is an icon, so he should still be in the hall of fame. Its not like he murdered someone. Putting the Montreal screwjob on this list is also really dumb.
I think it was Jim Ross himself who said that he got told that Owen had passed away and that he was back in 10.
@inoy hi bot, do you have a mom to offer similar services
Yeah he talked about it on his podcast. Basically they gave him the update that Owen had died, he needed to tell the Universe, and we are live on you in 10....
Also the Jeff Jarrett/Debra promo was shot with them working on Owen in the same area. JJ was cutting that promo watching them try to save his friend.
Anyway you look at it NOT a proud moment for WWE.
Releasing Nia Jax was not unfair on WWE's part. She has a reputation of hurting others in the ring and one of the dangerous wrestlers to work with.
It was the timing
They had plenty reason to release her, but she didn't deserve to be fired in the midst of her already dealing with some issues.
I admit the timing could have been better
Yes she hurt other people she worked with, but on a mental health break?
@@FLICKY_______D1 what the fxck is a "mental health break"? And how long does one last?
*Wrestlemania 36:* one of the _saddest_ and most _depressing_ _Mania Event_ in the history of *WWF/WWE.*
I’ve seen them all, and honestly that one was just excruciating to watch trough.
Man I miss Eddie, may he rest in peace
If I walked out on the company I worked for I would hope they fired me lol
Why tf would they keep punk employeed?
Over the edge wasn't ONE of the darkest days of the WWE...It was THE darkest day in wrestling history.
Chris Benoit has entered the chat
@@evansgate i was finna say this, i feel like both are incredibly terrible days, the two darkest days of pro wrestling
@@evansgate If chris benoit decided to murder his family in the centre of the ring... Sure? He could have the award for the darkest day. But a beloved man falling 80 feet in front of 16,000 people and 400,000+ people at home is something else. Especially when you consider wrestlers performing on the blood stained mat and weren't even aware it was Owens blood.
Owens death scarred people and it made people stop watching. Chris benoit was more of a tragic story that was told, it was never truly felt.
@@lapactic7353 those flying headbutts were sure committed in the ring though
As far as Owen Hart is concerned while I agree it may have been in bad taste to continue (especially when his blood was still on the canvas) other sports have had athletes suffer major injuries or even pass away and had the event continued. Auto Racing is especially known for this and the biggest example is when JD McDuffie lost his life in 1991 on a crash at Watkins Glen. The announcers even said "we don't want to be here, the drivers don't want to be here, but ITS OUR JOB"
Exactly... this channel has a lot of bad takes.. just this video has quite a few in it
The blood wasn’t actually Owens earlier on in the night on heat the Hardys received a blood bath from the brood the blood was from that
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@@xoddsocksx4766 awesome!
@@xoddsocksx4766 well thats good to know, Martha Hart always maintained it was Owen's
I think WWE handled Covid amazingly I mean you can’t really criticize them when no one was saying anything about the NBA still playing all their games at the same time.
I was watching the PPV live when Owen died. I can understand why they kept the show going, but it made it feel pretty awkward watching it. I can't imagine how it would've been to be there in person.
It was less awkward. We didn't get blue balled. We got to see it. Honestly when I watched it I couldn't imagine them not showing it. It was easily the best part of the event. The pop from the crowd when we heard the pop from his head hitting the ring post was deafening. I still get chills to this day about it. One of the best memories I have of taking my kids to wrestling shows back in the day. They loved that one and we had really good seats which we normally didn't get. We used to have a VHS of it that we took but it got worn out a few years back and it wasn't a great angle or anything. 1999 cameras weren't HD lol. You could still see him hit on the tape, but not the aftermath as much.
I guess you guys don't believe in forgiveness huh. Most of them were wrong of what WWE did but seriously?
They sound English. What do you expect?
I eventually grew out of watching professional wrestling, but it was such a staple experience of my childhood that it makes me grateful that content like this exists and explains things I may not have understood as a naive child.
same,modern wrestling is cringe now,i recently did get into wwe 2k22 though just so i can download a ton of wcw guys and relive my childhood via it
@@random_an0n WCW 4 Life!
Same. After Eddie's and Benoit passing, I still watched WWE as a kid but now, I can't go back and watch. I'll watch till 04 but that's it. I never got closure from Eddie and Benoit passing. Those were just dark times
I remember watching story lines that were just “dropped” and I was super confused as if I missed something. Turns out it was just how it works backstage.
Head on the nail!
Going on after Owen's death and The Undertakers Wrestlemania streak being broken are legitimately the worst decisions WWF/WWE has ever done.
So you put those 2 up at the top? Ending a fake staged fight record based on a script is almost equal to a man dying? You wrestling fans need to get a grip on reality and go take some adult education classes.
The most unforgivable thing WWE ever did was Breaking the Undertaker's streak🤬.
Sting should have broke it..
I still think Roman should have broke it at WM 33
no
brock is legit
and taker is much more than a streak
Taker wanted it broken
@@simonross8416 true
WWE continuing the Over the Edge PPV despite knowing that Owen died is just a heartless thing for them to do.
"the show must go on"
@@silverdollar7594 It’s a dam you if do dam you if you don’t situation. Let’s be honest if Vince had stop show he would have been sued for Breach of contract by the pay-per-view providers and the people who own the arena. Not mention the Hart family would have still sued Vince. It would have been the beginning of the end for the wwf for sure.
I’m still confused Why would the Mohammad Hassan be an issue? He’s not the one who plotted the attack.
I don't think reintroducing Hogan to HoF is unforgivable. He apologised, and even some black wrestlers publicly defended him.
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If anyone has earned his place in the HoF is Hogan. I'm glad the cancel culture sn0wflakes didn't get away with murder this time
Exactly the only fans that were mad and still are are the snowflake fans
yeah bc Hogan is so hated this days, he can still be forgiven, the guy put wrestling on the map and began huge again
Don’t you know that the TV says that saying the N word is the worst thing in the world anyone can do? Now they can call each other it all day everyday but that’s ok. Welcome to the world of mental gymnastics.
*IDK Eddie’s family was ok with everything, and they all said Eddie would give his OK if he could.*
I remember the Muhammad Hassan bit. I saw it on TV, and I was like okay. Looking back at how terrorism was big that time, and how it affected the way I saw Muslims and Arabs, yeah it kinda fanned the fires. I feel bad for Mark Copani though. He was done dirty for playing someone
I don't know whats harder to wrap my head around. The Owen hart fall or the benoit murders. Either way i feel like both were handled poorly and maybe some foul play in both stories but thats just my opinion.
Nia jax being gone is a health issue for everyone they’ll all be safer
Owen Heart dies and it's only "ONE of the most horrific things to ever happen in WWE?" What the hell is worse than that?
Vince sees his wrestlers as commodities he's the modern day PT Barnum. He's gotten wealthy on the back of his wrestlers broken bodies and some cases is responsible for their early deaths.
Adults making adult choices for a lot more money than they could ever make anywhere else don’t need your virtue signals.
Honestly think Vince wanted to break Sting in every sense.
I'm sorry, but half this list is PC BS. You mention the black face of KPac, but not the half black face from Rowdy Roddy Piper. Without Hulk Hogan, there would be no WWE. Hulk Hogan MADE WWF. How about the way Kofi Kingston lost the championship? I agree with Owen Hart being #1.
Vince McMahon owes Hulk Hogan for his success. Without Hogan leaving the AWA in 1983, Wrestlemania wouldn't have been a success.
False. WWF/E would have been fine without him. That was Vince’s Senior plan, to have territories co exist. Only Hogan thinks he’s that important, cuz he’s an egomaniac. Pro wrestling would still exist, without that poser.
Hogan was an egomaniac who was way overrated.
@@marcohavokkhaos If It wasn't Hogan then it would have been either Jimmy Snuka or Kerry Von Erich who both had issues.
And that would have happened if Verne Gagne actually gave Hogan the push and the AWA World Championship.
Gotta remember the Dr. Death segment though where he punched out a reporter for insulting kayfabe. Wrestling was in decline before Hogan jumped ship.
I don't disagree with Wrestlemania 36 in 2020 happening. If it didn't, we wouldn't see 74 year old, turning 75 years old later that year, Vince Mcmahon jump about 20 feet on a mat for the company he loves and Undertakers retirement match against AJ Styles alongside Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson. In fact, if WWE kept it in the actual stadium with fans instead of the performance center for just ONE more week on the 16th March 2020 episode of Monday Night Raw, "316 Day" would've been a lot better to watch and less boring
. We couldve had a massive crowd pop.
Gimme a break on the stupid Covid crap! It was ridiculous. And Hogan apologized so get over it already!