ORIANNA GAME! Finally, I’ve been waiting for one for some time! I’ve recently also played the ori vs velkoz matchup and i got rolled, ill see how you played it.(Btw i got to d2 , as long as you post ill get better). You never fail to deliver!
Some of the most impressively educational League content I've come across. Your knowledge on specifics like gold values is inspiring. I'll have to check out your channel more!
@@Zianni there's a ton of good information, I just struggle to figure out how to apply it personally as a support main, but I know comments help out algo + metrics so
Its unbelievable how good your content is bro, new sub here and I assumed that you were like really really big steming from how natural you are on the mic. Keep grinding my G, it will pay off, it always does✌🏻
I can barely understand English but I know this is so good, I want to main Orianna now, such a good champ bro but it's really hard for me, I can't play that good, you makes it seen easy.
I only played Orianna in ARAM and today I decided to try her in normal games and I had a 50 cs lead over their midlaner xD Either Orianna counters Talon very hard or the Talon was very bad. Very fun champ and a more laid back playstyle (going for small leads instead of solo kills early)
I'm trying to get into Orianna but whenever I play her it feels so weak, but when I watch you play her it feels strong 😅 Also her Q range feels so small sometimes, I just need to play her more I guess
She's really good right now, so it's an ideal time if you like control mages. Her Q range can feel weird because you're casting from the ball position but it's still based on her original position. An easy to mix it up is by casting diagonal by moving the ball through a target area instead of TO a target area. There's also the issue with her Q not being casted at max range like other mages, which causes a lot of movement errors and overrides if you're not being careful. Best of luck though!
TPing here is fine but I wouldn't be able to stop Vel'Koz from crashing the wave with my Lillia in base as well. (He would just full combo the minion wave and I don't want to tank the damage to hold it for a freeze) Taking the plate here doesn't change my recall since I'm still sitting on gold (I also could have bought a Dark Seal) Hence it's more valuable to reset with the extra time and get back on the map. Vel'Koz won't be able to punish me for leaving so I get to save TP for another play.
So let me start off by saying I haven't watched the full video yet, but I def will. Sort of bedtime, but there's a few questions I have. What is the actual elo? Velkoz seems to be out of position quite often. Generally, when I'm playing this matchup he spams abilities and makes me constantly pushed wonder my tower. The thing I'm also, if not, the most interesting. You use Q + W quite often even on minions (with no items). I can't even get a kill pre lostChapter due to eventual mana issues. Never use W unless on an enemy, and even then, not always. How do you deal with the mana issues? Your recalls are actually really good, and its def something to consider for my own games. But you being 2/0/1 in early game, you should be able to at least snowball the lane m,ore than enough so I'm gonna stop at this point FOR NOW. Will def finish and search for more orianna videos Lastly, and please don't emphasise on this in any sort of way, don't even mention it if you like. Do you also do coaching sessions (for payment) ofcourse
Unfortunately I found this video late and have an early day tomorrow. Before I had a pc I played wild rift and I mained her, had about 20 give or take matches and had only lost one. Been playing league on my pc now, am about level 40. Went straight to her and found it was much harder than WR and gave up so easily but I love her as a champ. Gonna return to this video tomorrow, just wanted to say thank you for making it. I had a question, but you don’t have to answer. I’m a taliyah main, and I tend to have a pretty rough time with assassins when playing her (minus yone and yasuo) is it the same for ori? If so do you have any suggestions on how to counter play that with her?
Most control mages will do well into assassins pre-6 then it becomes much more difficult. Ori has the same issues as Taliyah but isn't as strong for solo q. TALIYAH is a really great solo q champ right now. Ori feels super rewarding to execute but can feel stifling with the difficulty it takes to achieve that in a standard game. I do have lots of educational videos that will help but ultimately it just comes down to improving your basic/foundational gameplay for those matchups Welcome to League 👏
Panicked LOL, realistically I do save 400-500 hp there by flashing which allows me to brute force the next play since I'm up 900g in items. (He hasn't recalled yet) Otherwise, we both just trade TPs back and it equalizes out again. Burning flash into Zac/Velkoz is definitely a mistake though.
@@Zianni Imo Amp Tome buy at 4:38 should have been Dark Seal (would save both 50 gold since it wouldn't use futures and would likely have given more value over the course of the game as you racked up quite a number of takedowns without dying, which should be the goal of a control mage like Orianna), and Sorc Shoes should have been Ionian Boots as with the durability update flat pen has been significantly nerfed whereas ability haste hasn't and Orianna very much enjoys ability haste as she tends to cast her spells as soon as they are off CD in teamfights. Also I think it would be worth noting to viewers how you are focusing on last hitting as many minions as you can. The vast majority of low elo players would not be using Orianna Q+W to last hit minions that you can't auto nearly as much as you did. Also this is very nitpicky and really isn't something I think low elo players should focus on, but at 7:16 you recalled instead of collecting the plate gold, which was completely lost because plate gold is local gold and the wave crashing in had enough minions to kill the plate, essentially setting yourself behind 160 gold for no reason (and if the argument is that you would have lost tempo to do that, I still think spending tp to regain that tempo would still be worth the 160 gold, esp. since it was pre-14 minutes so your tp was still not unleashed). And you didn't mention it but also Liandries would have likely had less value in that game because Lillia was almost certainly building the item and the damage on the item is unique, tho against that squishy of a comp Ludens was likely better regardless. Anyways, nice video.
@@danielzavala3746 Yes and yes. Basically any mage who can utilize the ability haste is going to prefer Ionian boots over Sorc Shoes. Now a few champions like Akali will still prefer Sorc Shoes since those champions makes terribly poor use of ability haste, but most prefer Ionian now after the durability update.
Hovering is when you stick to one side of the lane or the side of the map that your jungler is. It's usually done so you can be close by if your jungler needs help or to maximize distance between u and the enemy jungle.
Orianna is already a really strong scaling champion, the value of Aery is supplementing your early game strength in good matchups to get into the mid-game successfully. Vice-versa, the value of Phase Rush is guaranteeing survivability to make it into the mid-late. First Strike is conditional (Long CD / First to initiate combat) and does not cover any of Orianna's weakness. (400-500gold at 20 minutes is irrelevant when considering what you lose from not taking Aery/Phase Rush) It's really important to understand the identity of your champion and how to consistently succeed with that identity.
I don't get that Vel'koz player. Didn't poke in early game. Hard pushed against Zed jungler whilst having a Zac jungler. Corrupting pot is also weird considering the previous things. What was his plan?
Right now my channel isn't optimized for broad champions since it hurts my algo, so it'll likely continue to be Vex / Ori / Syndra / Veigar until I'm a little bigger.
What you get out of Q: 30 damage per rank , .75 CD each rank (ability to reposition ball), 50% AP ratio What you get out of W: 45 damage per rank, 5% MS slow/speed up each rank, 70% AP ratio (An extra 20 damage damage for every 100 AP vs Q) You are gaining infinitely more value from Q points than W. If you want to put two points W early, you can. I'd rather you just Q/W/Q first 3 levels.
This will NOT work in Bronze/Silver/Gold. Orianna is literally the worst midlaner in low elo. I just played a game where the enemy assasin ganked bot 5 times and our ori basically took 1 plate. Get good at kata, akali, ahri and then play what you want when you get to high gold or plat. The game was over. Dont' pick ori in real LOW ELO. I dont' think this is silver or below because they NEVER FF EVER.
ORIANNA GAME! Finally, I’ve been waiting for one for some time! I’ve recently also played the ori vs velkoz matchup and i got rolled, ill see how you played it.(Btw i got to d2 , as long as you post ill get better). You never fail to deliver!
I LOVE ORIANNA. Thanks for watching and good job!
Some of the most impressively educational League content I've come across. Your knowledge on specifics like gold values is inspiring. I'll have to check out your channel more!
great upload as always!! i’m learning so much more ab waves now because of you.
Awesome! Hope it helps, thanks for watching.
As a support main, this is just the video I needed, thanks zianni!
Why does this sound Sarcastic...
@@Zianni there's a ton of good information, I just struggle to figure out how to apply it personally as a support main, but I know comments help out algo + metrics so
@@ltzLegit u can gank mid on these wave timers my guy :owo:
@@Zianni hmm, I do need to work on roaming more/better.
Listening to your commentary raised my IQ a couple notches
Playing league lowers it, so we'll be back to average in no time!
I don't know how you're not more popular on TH-cam. I enjoy your commentary so much.
agree
Nice to see so many new youtubers
Thanks!
Its unbelievable how good your content is bro, new sub here and I assumed that you were like really really big steming from how natural you are on the mic. Keep grinding my G, it will pay off, it always does✌🏻
your sound is very soothing
Thanks for the kind words!
Well-made, educational gameplay and RuneScape music. What's there not to like?
You're too kind, ty ty
I can barely understand English but I know this is so good, I want to main Orianna now, such a good champ bro but it's really hard for me, I can't play that good, you makes it seen easy.
When runescape music started playing.. I think waterfall? I knew I had to subscribe
Thank you, friend!
I showed up for the lesson stayed for the osrs music
Ty so much for the vid Zianni! Really helpful❤
I only played Orianna in ARAM and today I decided to try her in normal games and I had a 50 cs lead over their midlaner xD Either Orianna counters Talon very hard or the Talon was very bad. Very fun champ and a more laid back playstyle (going for small leads instead of solo kills early)
I'm trying to get into Orianna but whenever I play her it feels so weak, but when I watch you play her it feels strong 😅
Also her Q range feels so small sometimes, I just need to play her more I guess
She's really good right now, so it's an ideal time if you like control mages.
Her Q range can feel weird because you're casting from the ball position but it's still based on her original position. An easy to mix it up is by casting diagonal by moving the ball through a target area instead of TO a target area.
There's also the issue with her Q not being casted at max range like other mages, which causes a lot of movement errors and overrides if you're not being careful.
Best of luck though!
@@Zianni Noted! Thank you for your time brotha!
in 7:14 i'm just curious why you didn't take the plate and come back with tp? note: i'm learning still note2: your videos is amazing keep it up!
TPing here is fine but I wouldn't be able to stop Vel'Koz from crashing the wave with my Lillia in base as well. (He would just full combo the minion wave and I don't want to tank the damage to hold it for a freeze)
Taking the plate here doesn't change my recall since I'm still sitting on gold (I also could have bought a Dark Seal) Hence it's more valuable to reset with the extra time and get back on the map. Vel'Koz won't be able to punish me for leaving so I get to save TP for another play.
Dude you made plays with Orianna that I never thought off. I feel stupid now lol.
U have to start somewhere
is that runescape music? its so nostalgic
Yes it is, thanks for watching!
the runescape music goes hard
Another educational one, thank you :D btw do you play tf?
I used to be a TF main but he's not very fun right now :( Thanks for watching
@@Zianni I feel the same, sadly. :D
Love ur video bro maybe will start playing ori today
Thanks, she's super fun :3 Big recommend
@@Zianni thank you Zianni
Love your videos!
Glad you like them! Thanks for supporting the channel
1:45 u can use ball so that it hits only 1 minion so u can last hit the other minions
So let me start off by saying I haven't watched the full video yet, but I def will.
Sort of bedtime, but there's a few questions I have. What is the actual elo? Velkoz seems to be out of position quite often.
Generally, when I'm playing this matchup he spams abilities and makes me constantly pushed wonder my tower.
The thing I'm also, if not, the most interesting. You use Q + W quite often even on minions (with no items). I can't even get a kill pre lostChapter due to eventual mana issues. Never use W unless on an enemy, and even then, not always. How do you deal with the mana issues?
Your recalls are actually really good, and its def something to consider for my own games. But you being 2/0/1 in early game, you should be able to at least snowball the lane m,ore than enough so I'm gonna stop at this point FOR NOW. Will def finish and search for more orianna videos
Lastly, and please don't emphasise on this in any sort of way, don't even mention it if you like. Do you also do coaching sessions (for payment) ofcourse
Unfortunately I found this video late and have an early day tomorrow. Before I had a pc I played wild rift and I mained her, had about 20 give or take matches and had only lost one. Been playing league on my pc now, am about level 40. Went straight to her and found it was much harder than WR and gave up so easily but I love her as a champ. Gonna return to this video tomorrow, just wanted to say thank you for making it. I had a question, but you don’t have to answer.
I’m a taliyah main, and I tend to have a pretty rough time with assassins when playing her (minus yone and yasuo) is it the same for ori? If so do you have any suggestions on how to counter play that with her?
Most control mages will do well into assassins pre-6 then it becomes much more difficult. Ori has the same issues as Taliyah but isn't as strong for solo q. TALIYAH is a really great solo q champ right now.
Ori feels super rewarding to execute but can feel stifling with the difficulty it takes to achieve that in a standard game. I do have lots of educational videos that will help but ultimately it just comes down to improving your basic/foundational gameplay for those matchups
Welcome to League 👏
3:38 was flash necessary? You were so close to turret, I assumed you would just live
Panicked LOL, realistically I do save 400-500 hp there by flashing which allows me to brute force the next play since I'm up 900g in items. (He hasn't recalled yet) Otherwise, we both just trade TPs back and it equalizes out again. Burning flash into Zac/Velkoz is definitely a mistake though.
@@Zianni Imo Amp Tome buy at 4:38 should have been Dark Seal (would save both 50 gold since it wouldn't use futures and would likely have given more value over the course of the game as you racked up quite a number of takedowns without dying, which should be the goal of a control mage like Orianna), and Sorc Shoes should have been Ionian Boots as with the durability update flat pen has been significantly nerfed whereas ability haste hasn't and Orianna very much enjoys ability haste as she tends to cast her spells as soon as they are off CD in teamfights. Also I think it would be worth noting to viewers how you are focusing on last hitting as many minions as you can. The vast majority of low elo players would not be using Orianna Q+W to last hit minions that you can't auto nearly as much as you did. Also this is very nitpicky and really isn't something I think low elo players should focus on, but at 7:16 you recalled instead of collecting the plate gold, which was completely lost because plate gold is local gold and the wave crashing in had enough minions to kill the plate, essentially setting yourself behind 160 gold for no reason (and if the argument is that you would have lost tempo to do that, I still think spending tp to regain that tempo would still be worth the 160 gold, esp. since it was pre-14 minutes so your tp was still not unleashed). And you didn't mention it but also Liandries would have likely had less value in that game because Lillia was almost certainly building the item and the damage on the item is unique, tho against that squishy of a comp Ludens was likely better regardless. Anyways, nice video.
@@anonymousturtle3358 Thanks for the free review my guy. Will keep that in mind for the next video.
@@anonymousturtle3358 would Ionian boots be better than sorc shoes on malzahar? How about for vlad as well?
@@danielzavala3746 Yes and yes. Basically any mage who can utilize the ability haste is going to prefer Ionian boots over Sorc Shoes. Now a few champions like Akali will still prefer Sorc Shoes since those champions makes terribly poor use of ability haste, but most prefer Ionian now after the durability update.
3:57 what does hovering mean in this context? Just curious, im not a native speaker. Thanks for Response!
Hovering is when you stick to one side of the lane or the side of the map that your jungler is. It's usually done so you can be close by if your jungler needs help or to maximize distance between u and the enemy jungle.
@@Zianni thank you!
Would this work for Orianna support too? Tips,build etc.
What do you think about first strike for orianna?
Orianna is already a really strong scaling champion, the value of Aery is supplementing your early game strength in good matchups to get into the mid-game successfully. Vice-versa, the value of Phase Rush is guaranteeing survivability to make it into the mid-late.
First Strike is conditional (Long CD / First to initiate combat) and does not cover any of Orianna's weakness. (400-500gold at 20 minutes is irrelevant when considering what you lose from not taking Aery/Phase Rush)
It's really important to understand the identity of your champion and how to consistently succeed with that identity.
I always wanted to learn how to play vs vel. Thank you Zianni that champs is so annoying has like 8 legs or something
I want Vel to ruin me
@@Zianni YOU WHAT
Entire fucking video I thought I had osrs on
Xp waste if you didn't
love the Rs music lol
Can u update this guide for the new Patch 13:12 pls
I don't get that Vel'koz player. Didn't poke in early game. Hard pushed against Zed jungler whilst having a Zac jungler. Corrupting pot is also weird considering the previous things. What was his plan?
Gold players don't think proactively about what they need to do to succeed. This is the same for everyone below Masters tbh, just play on autopilot.
SHEEESH he is dominating
Sheesh is that Korean model rank 1 ziggs Roselol
nice video sofiien i knew that you would make it to rank 1
How come you don't buy dark seal at 5 min when you have the extra 400? Just curious
I didn't want to delay my powerspike on mythic and I didn't think VELKOZ would run it down cuz its supposed to be a bad matchup
Which runes did u use?
Phase rush - manaflow - transcendence - gathering storm
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ty ty!
where is the big comment
WHY IS THE BEEAR TALKIN
Rs music? 🎉😂❤
I wanna main her now
I love Ori, join us.
Can you do viktor ? :D
Right now my channel isn't optimized for broad champions since it hurts my algo, so it'll likely continue to be Vex / Ori / Syndra / Veigar until I'm a little bigger.
@@Zianni i hope you get recognised by the algo, your videos are high quality and very informative.
i watched this live bear man ez win
Thanks for watching
Is Orianna sup okay to main?
just any Orianna player out there please try w max first i dont even put lvl in shield and the enemy cant lane TRUST!
What you get out of Q:
30 damage per rank , .75 CD each rank (ability to reposition ball), 50% AP ratio
What you get out of W:
45 damage per rank, 5% MS slow/speed up each rank, 70% AP ratio (An extra 20 damage damage for every 100 AP vs Q)
You are gaining infinitely more value from Q points than W. If you want to put two points W early, you can.
I'd rather you just Q/W/Q first 3 levels.
Skill!
100%
runa?
Ori pog
Cro pog
i dont understand anything but cool video
Sorry to hear that, let me know if you have any questions.
Good video
nice runescape music lol
This will NOT work in Bronze/Silver/Gold.
Orianna is literally the worst midlaner in low elo.
I just played a game where the enemy assasin ganked bot 5 times and our ori basically took 1 plate. Get good at kata, akali, ahri and then play what you want when you get to high gold or plat.
The game was over.
Dont' pick ori in real LOW ELO.
I dont' think this is silver or below because they NEVER FF EVER.
ex dee
xD
Excuse me rank 1?
When I made the video yeah
Are you smurfing?
No it's a normal against a gold player
xD or something like that
xD
imagine calling urself rank 1 when dopa exists
lol
xD
xD
First 🤑
Good job!
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