Michael Malice - Is Anarchy The Answer? | Modern Wisdom Podcast 329
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- Michael Malice is an author, political commentator & podcaster.
No matter your perspective, politics isn't working very well at the moment. The world is divided along more lines than we can count and the powers that be don't seem to have the electorate's best interests at heart. Is the solution just to tear it all down?
Expect to learn why Michael refuses to vote, what the hardest question for anarchy to answer is, why a democracy doesn't give you choice, why I've been forgetting words recently, what we're going to do about our cancelled Russia trip and much more...
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00:00 Intro
00:38 The Anarchist Handbook
06:17 Why Michael Doesn't Vote
08:57 Anarchy & Objective Law
16:09 Difficult Scenarios for Anarchists
22:52 Creating the Anarchist Handbook
36:24 What's Wrong With Democracy?
38:24 Giving a Voice to Anarchy's Martyrs
45:52 Battling Cognitive Decline
54:24 The Bill & Melinda Gates Break-up
57:13 Social Media
1:04:21 Differences in UK & US Politics
1:21:55 Chris & Michael's Russia Trip
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Love Michael!!! His speeches on N Korea are v v much needed, we have left those people to their fate (despite meddling in the rest of the world for supposed humanitarian reasons), I hope he is right that it can improve for them. Ive never trusted any politician... its... politics, all of it. Hadnt considered Anarchy before but he puts forward really good points and given me plenty of interesting thinking topics. Much love to you both, keep on keeping on
Chris you really should give Michael a hard time about the way he says really lol. With all the schtick he gives you
Michael how do you stop outright exploitation in an anarchist society? Eg Japan killing whales wherever
@@OfZeitgeist
Social ostracism.
"I'm not selling you diesel fuel for your fishing boat because you hunt whales."
Been a libertarian my whole adult life, and never gave anarchy a thought. Now I’m half way through “An Anarchist Handbook” and have already ordered The Anatomy of The State and Against the State.
ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
I'd highly reccomend "The Problem of Political Authority" by Micheal Huemer as well.
@@hugesinker Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll put it on the July reading list.
Check out Larkin Rose's "Most Dangerous Superstition".
Rothbard FTW!
I'm not an anarchist at all, but I really like hearing Malice's point of view lately. Thanks for doing the interview.
One of the coolest parts if being a free and critical thinker, we get to hear and appreciate people with different views.
Nor am I, but I believe in the destruction of all power centres using blockchain consensus, and that the law is only applied to extreme cases such as murder and rape, nothing else....well design systems would make some present crimes such as 'fraud' impossible anyway
If one isnt an anarchist, is one tolerant of coercive threats of, and physical, violence?
I don't think it would work specially cuz of the invading army factor but many other reasons... And we need order. There will always be elites or clicks...
@@SocraticMethodGuy Study Libertarianism.
Hey there fellow listener, have some timestamps :)
00:00 Cold open: Why the current system is crappy (clip taken from: 37:27)
00:24 Opening banter - Michael Malice in the Amazon charts
01:19 Michael's philosophy behind The Anarchy Handbook
04:24 Michael's definition of Anarchy
06:25 Why does Michael not vote?
08:52 John Hasnas and the myth of objective law; anarchist resolution of "legal" conflicts
16:55 The hardest problem for anarchy to overcome: What about the kids?
17:58 Anarchy's relationship to war
20:11 Will there be an anarchist society in Michael's lifetime? And where?
22:52 The process and success of making The Anarchist Handbook
29:35 Showing how the sausage is made
32:19 The glory of making one's own path and being reliable
36:25 Crappy choices in democracy
38:24 Giving important people a platform; Louis Lingg, Adam Lane Smith, Albert Parsons
45:52 Chris' cognitive decline and comeback; examining your health, and the FODMAP diet
51:21 Absurd thoughts, and the teleological brain
54:26 Bill and Melinda Gates, Jeff Bezos and Jeffrey Epstein
55:36 Subjectivity of the state law
57:13 Significance of Facebook's COVID turnaround
1:01:10 Alternative video uploading platforms
1:01:38 Recognizing the corruption of authorities
1:04:22 Michael on the hilarity of big political parties embarrassing themselves and finding excuses
1:09:14 Relationships between UK politics and US politics
1:17:03 The left's contempt for the working class
1:19:54 The radicalization of the working class in the US
1:21:52 Chris' and Michael's friendship and future plans
Thank you both for this conversation! :) It was indeed beautiful to listen to two friends talking about such interesting topics.
God tier thanks
Thanks a lot bud
While I always appreciate when someone does timestamps, they were already in the description
@@krazykkarl Not at the time, if I recall correctly :)
@@krazykkarlhis also has twice as many time stamps as the official
I discovered MM a few months ago and really appreciate your videos featuring him.
Always a pleasure having him on
He is excellent at waking up the uninitiated and the low-info corporate media consuming normie. He is genuine and sincere to a point where his points are often undeniable.
@@cranekraken24 couldn't have said it better.
@@cranekraken24 He's helped pique my interest in "anarchism" but I'll lean more toward voluntaryism. James Corbett is very intelligent.
Diddo
Chris, you and Malice are simply great together. The last few minutes had me rolling. Thanks for all of your hard work.
"Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." - Frédéric Bastiat
So very true! Unless you can opt out of participation, it is malevolent.
@@allysagilbreath Thank you.
This is brilliant. Haven’t come across this quote. Thank you for the magnificent share.
@@christinaelizabeth9400 You're welcome.
@@christinaelizabeth9400 you should read Frederic Bastiat’s-The Law
One of the first books I ever read that I really got into and thought and pondered about along the way was the Lysander Spooner Reader. And I did a book report on it in 9th grade. I'm glad Michaels getting his name out there.
Really feels like he's resurrecting and exposing some unknown names here
Lysander Spooner is great! Im glad people r reading him. Robert Anton Wilson was where I discovered him.
@@Inannawhimsey Nice. I actually found him on my Dad's bookshelf. I don't want to dox myself but I share a surname with Lysander, and he's somewhere in the family tree, my Dad knows how. My sister is about to have a baby this month, and his middle name is going to be Lysander, he'll have a different last name but it's still cool.
Spooner was very repetitive in his writing, but his ideas were very based.
@@artemiasalina1860 I would definitely describe him as thorough
Thank you Chris and Michael
You are welcome.
I bought this book because I would like my preconceived notions of the state to be challenged, I have just assumed the utility of the state is necessary and I also hold a “healthy” maybe nostalgic sense of national pride, whilst of course recognising the bad outcomes that have manifested today and throughout history in their varying degrees. What I really appreciate about Michael is that whilst he has strong disagreements with the unchallengeable idea of a state being necessary, he is principled enough to not jump on any bandwagon which may appear to align with his goals of dismantling the system. I’m essentially referring to bad faith actors/activists attempting to dismantle the current system in order to be a part of a system where they may wield more arbitrary power than they currently hold. You can just sense the authenticity of his perspective, and the lack of an agenda it carries when compared with other anti-establishment groups or individuals, this makes me much more open to his challenges of “what I hold dear” as it doesn’t demonise well meaning individuals and doesn’t divide people into groups or accuse those that don’t align absolutely with the promoted narrative of “wrongthink”.
Alway appreciate your thoughtful work and discussions Chris, I wish you continued success.
yeah i think that's the big thing. someone who is actually against the system would advocate for no system to exist, not one that benefits them only.
@@shoyupacket5572 Not necessarily.. Being against a system that has inevitably grown tyrannical is a natural process of ALL systems/governments throughout history. The need for systems is inherently part of human beings.
Great comment
@@ThatNorwegianGuy- anarchy doesn't mean no systems, that's chaos. Anarchy means no rulers, no legal monopoly on legal violence.
So you recommend the book?
I didn't really pay attention to Michael for a long time, but in the last 2 months he's turned me into an anarchist.
Better late than never
@P Harrell same here lol
Ssshhhhhh!!!! They'll find you!
Hes killing it right now
@@DCzero50 it takes 10 years to become an overnight success
My copy of the Anarchist Handbook comes in today! I’m so excited!
Legalize Dueling, imo.
This would fix a lot
@@ChrisWillx Consenting Adults whose hearts are full of hatred with irreconcilable differences. I say let them fight under the doctrine of bodily autonomy.
@@99Yteu Back when dueling was legal, it was a matter of honor, which is mostly about the broader society treating you with shame for your perceived cowardice if you didn't answer the insult or challenge, or behaved in an ungentlemanly way during it. So legalizing duels in modern times probably wouldn't work, since there's very little regard or social enforcement for things like personal honor, sadly
@@99Yteu Mutual consent would be required for the dueling contract.
@@plain_simple_garak It’s not like anyone cares about what others think about them on the Internet.
“Anarchy: let’s check it out!”
~ Michael Malice/ Dr Steve Brule ❤️
My guest is Dr. Mickey Mingus, he's guhh tell us alllllll abrout: Ang-archy
Dr. to droctor,,. how come gubbermints steal ah everyone's golllld?
Yeah, it's pretty great that Malice is able to show people a tradition of thought that they may not have considered before. Like, maybe we don't need a monopoly on violence to have functioning societies?
The beauty of anarchism is that you don't have to be one if you don't want to, at least as far as I'm concerned.
You and Michael look so happy to be talking with each other.
Awwwww
“the voluntary society is the source of order that comes from freedom itself. There is no contradiction or even tension between liberty and security. If free enterprise works well in one sector, it can work well in other sectors too.”
- Gustave de Molinari
well, if -Molineux- Molinari says it...
@@fukpoeslaw3613 when you have a bigger impact on the Anarchist viewpoint than Gustave de Molinari I'll give a shit what you have to say. Until then I will continue to quote the giants of freedom and peace.
@@NathanCline12-21 think it was a joke but go on with your bad self hard ass!
I highly highly highly recommend reading Murray Rothbard's Conceived in Liberty and hear the stories of nearly countless of anarchists/libertarians murdered by the state solely because they believed in liberty.
or Hans Hermann Hoppe
@@thetrueprophet9104 - which book/article of his talks about that?
@VicariousVictor - idk, are there?
@VicariousVictor - I answered "idk", and then asked for your input.
@VicariousVictor - and if you didn't perceive me to be obtuse, your answer would be YES?
Like, I genuinely don't know what you're getting at.
Chris, you're one of my favorite thinkers and interviewers on social media right now. Love your channel brother.
Michale Malice is truly a gem and I am coming to the conclusion you also reside within that realm. Keep up the great work.
The fact that DIane Abbot's incompetence is internationally known makes me happier than it probably should :)
She is a national treasure 👌, the village idiot of the nation, Idiot Laureate of Britain if you will
I’m no anarchist but I do enjoy listening when MM is talking.
Good podcast.
Don't worry, he isn't an anarchist neither, just the most ruthless type of capitalist.
@@handyman1016 Nice fallacy but that's not what malice is all about. Your opinion is discarded from now on.
@@handyman1016 My knowledge of Malice and Malice's "anarchism" goes further than this short video. You tried to reduce MM's ideology to "voluntary trade" and now to this video, just stop with your fallacious ways, and I dont judge MM on what he purely says but on what he think would result in.
@@handyman1016he reduces is ideology to that, which is fallacious because its nowhere near what he is about, and you seem to believe him and reduce his view to it too, or at least pretends they are: in your first answer to me. Im not wasting my time with you anymore.
Found your channel from the first Michael Malice interview and have been watching ever since. Always love these podcasts. Keep up the great work Chris!
The Far Left and the Far Right are just different expressions of the same frustration with a negligent and unresponsive government.
What are you talking about?
They are two wings of the same crooked bird.
@@RossLambert801 Find a far left FB friend and a far right FB friend and look at their discussions. They behave in exactly the same way. Take the right winger names from the leftist posts and switch them around to leftist names and that exact post could go up on a right wing chat and be loved and cheered for. There is no fundamental difference between the far left in the far right, except for the fact that right now the far left is infinitely more influential.
fascism and communism are much much much more similar than the one-dimensional political spectrum would lead you to believe.
@@westtexashodler2646 authoritarian collectivists.
He both make such a delightful pair. Love u both 🥰
Bros doing bro things
“Don’t vote. It just encourages the Bastards.” Brilliant! 🤣⚡️(thank you for the correction note)
I never vote! I could be an anarchist! hiep hoi!!
Yes best saying ...i thought same thing ..he's hilarious
I think it would be better to send a blank ballot. I think not voting makes you look lazy
You don't vote and you get Democrats running everything, and their destroyed cities now are an example of what happens if you don't vote the opposition to them.
@@Acujeremy Your mistake is that you think the other side is true opposition.
There are a handful here and there but by and large they are the same.
Not even talking about this past election, you can look throughout US history to see how rigged many elections were. By and large unless there is some crazy outlier like Donald Trump, it’s who ever they want in that is installed.
I understand exactly what you’re getting at. The problem is your thinking is too linear.
Downloaded for my driving around listening pleasure tomorrow.
I doubt these guys will disappoint.
Always a good listen from both of you! Thanks
Thanks Chris. Great conversation.
Dude honestly your podcasts really lift me up and reframe stuff consciously and subconsciously while having a massive burnout. Keep it up, your content is quality. Thanks Chris and Michael!
LOL. I'm going to check up on another interview with Malice to see if the Maggie Thatcher books were placed there specifically for the British interview :)
I've never noticed them before, so I assumed they were. Although it is a bit subtle for him these days lol. I fully expect him to show up dressed in a loincloth made of meat at some point
@@plain_simple_garak the question costume was next level
He's writing about her for his next book "The White Pill" so that could be his reference material.
great conversation! the part where Malice says, "What about the children?" really got me thinking. Chris - thanks for giving Malice a platform to express his ideas.
Another engrossing, informative, and enjoyable conversation.
Thank you, Chris.
I really like Michael Malice and agree with much of what he posits. The thing that holds Anarchism in permanent abeyance is its reliance on the intrinsic "goodness" of human nature, the expectation that everyone will play along. This must necessarily include all citizens of this planet. Given the fallibility of humans, the need for a structure of some kind (security, legal, protection of the most vulnerable citizens, etc ad infinitum, with some kind of requisite "authority") is necessary, if this structure does not comprise the state, what does it comprise? A state by any other name.
The conversation was over before I was ready for it. Thanks for the great conversation.
Love the show Chris! Congratulation on all your success
The reason so many of us are attracted to glass-door experiences is the same reason that attracts us to long-form contents: Honesty and transparency. For decades we've been increasingly starved of honesty in the legacy institutions of academia, government, media and big tech. Most people, when given the chance and stillness of thought, sense the insencerity inately.
This is a great interview. I just finished The Anarchist Handbook. It’s amazing!
I love these two men so freaking much
Awesome duo! Great show! Thanks for sharing!
😀🐻😀
Great interview.
So glad Michael Malice exists, didn't think anyone else shared my viewpoint
Interesting to hear you speak about loosing your cognitive faculties, I just went through something similar but it's root cause was my emotional equilibrium. 6 months ago I had what felt like a heart attack at work and the company fired me, then I lost my housing and kept having severe dizzy spells, I wasn't able to stand let alone walk. I went to the hospital again and fixed the dizziness issue but now I'm out of work, in a brand new city where I know no one except my wife, burning through my savings living in an Air BNB, being denied on every apartment application because even with a very wealthy Co signer attached to the application my wife doesn't make enough money. So as this is all happening I start developing severe anxiety and panic attacks where I shake like crazy and my heart rate is through the roof and with each successive failed job interview it's getting steadily worse and worse. Finally it clicked that this was severe anxiety and I started taking Gaba from the health food store and that dampened the panic enough to the point where I could get through a couple interviews and get a job but I was incredulous at the fact that am entire lifetime of self control and mental discipline could evaporate in a matter of weeks.
Hang in there, keep fighting, i have been experiencing some similar situations for about a year.. but the last few months have been getting better... exercise a little ever other day if you can... if not go for a walk in nature if possible, it actually helps .. good luck
These are so good. Michael Malice is a national treasure. Thank you for these talks. Best thing on the youtubes.
Loved this talk.
I always thoroughly enjoy listening to libertarians and anarchist types because they like to talk and explain things. And I like to talk and listen. They are very open to discussion. So a very enjoyable video. I always make it a point to visit different political groups to map what basic principles and values construct their ideas.
That said, I fundamentally disagree with their conclusions, and that comes from a few key pillars of which I think guide the world.
At least to my pillars that counteract against those who highly value freedom, it would then be my understanding that oligopolies are thy natural form of human governance and they will spring up, no matter the government type. Followed by governments propagation of conquest theory, in that fighting happens incessantly until a monopoly of violence is established and maintained over a geographical area.
There are different ways to structure oligopolies so they inflict the least amount of damage. The elites have to be tied to the geography of the people they rule, they have to be fearful of bad choices (economically/physically), and are govern / lead by civil society (families/producers). I think modern democracies have deluded themselves into thinking non oligopolies are possible and this in turn leads to worse government, whereas if we accept oligopolies are inevitable, then you can design limitations around the worst traits, to make the world more bearable.
I feel the same way. I love listening to Malice but find his anarchist ideology alarmingly simplistic.
A great interview .. great job guys
Great episode gentlemen.
I been waiting for this one. Two of my favorite people to listen to
I'm half way through Beyond Order lol, I'm glad I get to listen to your points of view.
This isn't as close to the opposite side of the coin as you'd think
Read evola or guinon if you want the other side of malice’s coin.
@@ChrisWillx ❤️
@@AmbiguousEntity Thanks for the tip , I will 🙂
53:50 Describes also people with Pure-O OCD.
It's basically as it's described, some random thought that could be considered horrible pops up in your head. Now to have awkward thoughts pop up also happens to regular people as I find out, but usually they dismiss it/laugh about it without second thought.
But people with Pure-O (although I read in some articles it might not be recognized in DSM-5 or something) will obsess too much about it, I don't know why. To the point they think about it for hours or days, and that stress will retriggered it, as a feedback loop and magnify the signal. I have been there too, so I know.
Thanks Mike
This is so good. I’ve been having the same thing happen. I just bought Michael’s book because of this podcast! Thank you. FYI American psycho was a tab bit worse.
What a thoroughly enjoyable conversation between a Monarchist/Imperialist and a Rooshun about 'Merica!
glad while in my final decent that I can still understand and agree with this I plan to take better advantage next time around
50:00 Interesting man. My mom has a brain decease, Aphasia. She couldn't remember words, misspell them, and later on just lost whole concepts. It's dramatic.
Fantastic conversation
Malice is the greatest anarcho philosopher of our time. Wonderfully hilarious while being irreverent and serious. I’m halfway through this book and if you’re an anarchist or anarcho-curious, then you should own it and read it as well. Rothbard and Mises brought me to anarchism, Eric July, Dave Smith, and Michael Malice have helped to further my understanding and strengthened my resolve and ability to articulate my ideas. It’s time to abolish the state and, much like Rothbard, I will consider myself an enemy of the state.
stephan molyneux.
Loved it!
Honoring people who died for their beliefs...how has it taken so long for me to discover Michael Malice!
Michael is in peak form, I LOL'd so many times! 🤣 "And look what its done to your speach..." lmfao!!!!🤣🤣🤣
I love the discussion. The questions are very legit and so are the answers. This is how things should be. I don't have to agree wholeheartedly with someone to like and respect their ideas if they can present them honestly, and MM does that in spades and I'm sure I have much to learn from him.
Side note: 28:25. It's funny that he says "beating the corporations at their own game" while publishing it with one of the largest companies in the world has ever seen using contemporary technology that they are pushing. I get the message that it's not going through a big publishing house. Still, it was worded funny.
Interesting conversation.
I hate that the word Patriot and patriotism has been bastardized to mean someone or something that defends the government when it's actually a name or title we give to those who defend the people against tyranical laws and or government
Examples: Edward Snowden & Julian Assange .
Both patriots .
It's really not about anarchy vs government or one ism vs another ism, it's about trying to find the right balance and, public or private, avoid and prevent concentration of power.
Yall. I just turned 35 last Monday and i kid u not, i have been
waiting my ENTIRE life to watch a conversation like this. Where were you?!? Lol jkjk😭😭😭
Opening chat hilarious 😂
The more people are cancelled, the less opportunity there will be to see it coming. What "it" describes is the concern you share at the end, Michael. It is a warranted concern.
It's pleasant hearing you two converse about almost anything, but I was a bit disappointed that so much of this conversation had nothing to with the question about Anarchy being the answer....
“The dustpan of history”
Amazing
Fantastic.
I hope my family bought me TAH for my birthday this week! So excited to read it!
i LOVE his humor
It's "ZED". South African here :)
My dude Malice!💯
Fantastic discussion. The success of Michael's book is hopefully a sign that there is perhaps, a glimmer of hope that people are waking up!
29:25 This hit me - why not???
wait, did i hear that correctly? in regards to his book, did Michael Malice really go from idea to market in less than 4 months? that's freaking amazing!
52:36: There's a moment like this in literally *every* MM interview.
Lovely touch putting Margaret Thatcher in the background....love from a former Scot. I moved to the southern United States.
If you need the thing, not to think about needing the thing then get the thing. If nothing else, give your mind the freedom of reflection on what you don't have.
Just bought The Anarchist Handbook. Let's get Malice up to #36.
Just bought the kindle version as I’m in Thailand and Amazon doesn’t operate here but sent the physical copy to my nephew without messaging him, waiting for the reaction
Quick answer. HELL TO THE YES.
I concur with the cognitive issues, for a few years now I can be talking and completely forget what I'm talking about. This happens when I'm working and it's embarrassing to ask to be reminded what the questions/topic was, at the ageof 28.
Lion's Mane mushrooms
I love Malice, hate corporations, want to support, want to learn, so i bought the hard copy and I will buy the audio book. Perfect storm. I was in the chat when the idea happened. Which is also cool.
Not sure that hating corporations is the right way to go about it, corporations manifest in many different ways. Their existence is predicated on making as much money as is possible, and will only be held back by internal operators or external forces. I don't think there is necessary anything good or evil about them, but if left unchecked can do plenty of harm.
The problem with the cell phone analogy is that those "agreements" they came to are called geographic monopolies that basically gives them carte blanch within their service area to set rates and coverage in an anarchist world they would have free range on how they enforce those "agreements".
Speak truth my brother
steve brule referenced right at the start!
Anarchy works and i just remembered why... Michael here is a little homework for you if you don't already know... this is why ANARCHY WORKS... Horses are social animals but in the wild it's even more important for them to be social... because out side of the pack they become vulnerable.... Thus in the wild if one of the horses decides to be unruly and go against the pack they are cast out and are left on there own... which usually means they want survive because they become prey... i can see this same system in an Anarchy...What say you Michael ??
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Makes sense and not just in animals but humans do it too. Social ostracism is a good way to enforce good/socially acceptable behavior.
Is this a reupload? I've seen so many interviews with Michael Malice lately that it's getting hard to keep track of them all
"I think a lot of people have had a very lonely time, so I think when they see two friends having fun with each other and clowning each other, it will be good spiritual fuel."
Speaking for myself, but this is one of the reasons I love watching Car Trek and all the YT channels surrounding the trio who who star in Car Trek. Freddie, Hoovie, Ed, Jared, the Wizard, the Ninja, and the dozens of other people all of whom help each other create some of the most friendly car content on YT. Similarly, I watch you two, Dave, the failed Tom and Bob. and a lot of others in your sphere - just as much for the friendships as much as the content. Michael is right, the interaction is a draw, in itself.
Malice is a smart and funny guy.
When/if my mind declines I think/hope that I will be left with curiousity instead of paranoia.
I had an ego death on LSD and what I got left with was curiousity and bit of fear.
all of us doves don't mind being highlighted by other doves. in fact we prefer it. makes us feel safe :D keep doing what you are doing brave doves ! we appreciate it !!!
oh man... I love crazy people!! 🤗
Distributed applications are a solutions. There is a nice proof of stake algorithm to create distributed governance.
As someone from Blackpool, I've never considered forgetting its name or even its existence as being anything other than a godsend. Get back on the drugs, and tell me what they are so I can get some from my doctor!
I had a lovely spliff in Blackpool a couple weeks ago
I have spent a significant amount of my time dabbling in anarchism. Michael's been arguing with the wrong people. The question and/or problem isn't that X situation can't be 'adjudicated' without the government, the problem with anarchism is it CAN be adjudicated. Trust me, I'll do the adjudicatin'. And if you don't like my adjudicatin', suck it.
Response: Wait, said you wuz in charge.
Me: Who's gonna tell me I'm not?
Books - money (don't bother me!) Got it!
My favourite musicians are Jay Zed and Zed Zed Topp.