Did Missouri Execute Innocent 'Too Dangerous to Live' Offender? | Marcellus Williams Case Analysis
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- This video answers the question: Can I analyze case of Marcellus Williams?
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I can repeat your intro word for word and it pisses my GF off
Same here lmao
@@tomgordon001 outro next
Now for my analysis.
Im not going to diagnose or speculate on what could be happening between you and your girlfriend but i may be having the same problem 😉
Same but I say, “Can I analyze the case of the flaccid penis?”
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It sounds like the first two verses of a limerick...
Comedy can be brutal.
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He can be guilty, while the investigators can be incompetent when handling evidence. Those are not mutually exclusive.
Edit: I should clarify that I mean guilty in the literal sense of the word, not in the legal sense. Of course, these issues can create reasonable doubt.
Exactly! It drives my crazy when everyone starts screaming that someone is "innocent" for all the wrong reasons.
But that's not how convictions should work. The reality is that evidence handled improperly should always count against the prosecution. It is unreliable... Contaminated data is usually worthless... Should not be used to convict anyone, let alone of capital murder. It blows my mind that improper investigations seem to not matter as much to people because they have a hunch that the accused is guilty. It doesn't matter what your gut tells you that's not how the justice system is supposed to work here.
Incompetent investigation creates reasonable doubt. Just the fact that someone could be innocent and DPed is frightening.
Yes, but it does affect the evidence . Makes case not so solid. Many cases have been ruined for less. They denied the plea for conviction, then basically deem him for death before case is done. Not to mention, the gf possible involvement that was totally overlooked. People are charged with murder for being a car with someone who killed another, but they didn’t even consider her possible involvement.
And, one can be convicted of murder without being put to death, “they’re not mutually exclusive”.
@@lisabelle7553I don’t think anyone said he was INNOCENT
I hate when people think they are judge , jury, and executioner. He would have been locked up for life, they just wanted him dead
"and she was stabbed 43 times..." I look out my window each day and wonder what sick horrific cruelty is going on that Dr. G will one day report on😰
Dr G is retired, but yea.
Typically that is consistent with someone who has a lot of hate towards the person
@@jondrew55ummm pretty sure Dr Grande is still working. How does he release his videos if he isn’t working?
@@iamthebrokerdifferent Dr G
was he exceedingly creepy?
So why are you here???
I would suspect yes.
Exceeeeeedingly!
didn't you watch the video?
They all are.
How would the calculator and such get in his grandfather's car unless he was involved?
Exactly and how would the informant know to direct the police to his ex? Too many coincidences and the guy said it was marcellus who sold him the laptop.
Hey, you need to stop using your brain. You could get hurt!
Uh, someone who was pissed at him that was also the actual killer put it there? Like maybe, someone who narked on him to avoid their own charges. Just throwing it out there.
Maybe she did it alone.
@@uberalles2465If the drug dealer says that the laptop came from the girlfriend, he loses a paying customer, or two
She was also likely to do certain favors in exchange for his lying..
The way the media portrayed this case is so discouraging and dishonest. This guy was OBVIOUSLY and overwhelmingly guilty of the murder. We can talk about the death penalty as a policy but not the guilt of this man. He was NOT innocent
I don’t believe his guilt was being questioned as much as the punishment considering the factors.
@@ninamartinez5596 a lot of activists are trying to claim he was innocent...
@@ninamartinez5596a lot of people are saying he's innocent despite the overwhelming evidence
@@MathieuLLFOnly because he’s black.. if he had been white, no one would’ve given a shit if he was executed or not even if there was real compelling evidence to suggest he was innocent.
@@MathieuLLF no
"Credibility challenged individual" lol
No. The state did not execute an innocent person when they executed Marcellus.
I also believe he was very guilty of the heinous crime. But I still can't get over how there was no physical evidence tying him to the crime. Violent stabbing incidents like this usually cause the perpetrator to cut themselves due to the slippery blood on the knife. Yet there was no DNA evidence at the crime scene that matched. No footprints, fingerprints, or shoe prints anywhere. Just so weird.
There was shoe prints and they were not his shoe size
@cgeorge3785 why do you believe he's guilty then?
@@cgeorge3785it’s very simple. Until they could explain what he was doing with the victims possessions , he was always going to be guilty, because those things placed him at the scene regardless if DNA didn’t. DNA isn’t always left behind thats why you need other evidence to determine guilt or innocence. They had nothing
When there’s ANY doubt regarding the integrity of evidence, the death penalty should not go forward. Period. This was the case for Mr. Williams.
100% guilty, justice took way too long to get delivered in this case.
Sadly, it always does take too long.
So DNA on knife not matching hair and shoe size not matching what's the explanation for that?
No, he's guilty.
He will not make more damage..
Justice System was already damaged
You don’t know if he committed the “damage” that he was killed for.
@@gordongraham1771he caused serious harm to guard in prison.
Long story short 15x felon doesn't get what he wants
True! Tried to dupe people to the very end. I'm glad they saw through it.
@@melistasy Even if he did it, there was waaaaay too much doubt to convict
@@mikedavis6266 I agree, but oh well! I'm saving my sympathies for the victim and her loved ones.
@@mikedavis6266 Zero doubt.
Unless you want to risk unscientific law, the law MUST always be consistent to be safe and here there was no evidence. Impartial law catches up with us all as no one takes it serious.
It's a pretty big coincidence that a cellmate claims you boasted about klling a specific person AND the victim's property is found in a car you drive AND the person in possession of the victim's laptop claims you sold it to them. Like, the girlfriend, cellmate, and buyer all conspired to frame you? Really?
It's not that much of a coincidence if the police led all of them to saying those things, which they clearly did. They told the girlfriend exactly what they wanted to hear from her in exchange for dismissing her charges, they do that literally every day. The cellmate wanted the reward. As for the buyer of the laptop, Williams never denied that he sold him a laptop, but he said that he got it from the girlfriend. There's also no evidence that the laptop was the victim's laptop; all it proves was that a crackhead sold someone a laptop that could have come from anywhere (including the other robberies that we know he committed).
The scene had copious amounts of forensic evidence and literally NONE of it had any connection to Williams. Whose DNA was it on the knife? Whose hair was it? Whose footprints? It's insane that they just ignored those questions. And it wasn't a case of "Well, we couldn't get a good enough DNA profile to tell if it was his or not", they did get a DNA profile and it was NOT his.
@@flingonberhow did they lead them? They asked them questions and got answers, if that is leading then all questioning is.
Maybe there wasn’t enough evidence for the death penalty, but the dude was 100% guilty
There were SERIOUS questions that were not answered AND no DNA evidence. Sounds like a serious case of tunnel vision or worse. Sad when jurors do not understand the assignment. Reasonable doubt such as this should not result in nothing BUT an acquittal
If the DNA, hair fibers, foot prints, etc. did not match his, then he couldn't have been there. Plain and simple.
@wordsleuth992 The dude who was in prison with the delightful Marcellus told him he murdered that lady' was out of jail. So he had no incentive to snitch ' also at his gfs home her badge & ruler from her workplace was there's why would he have access to personal items from a news room? 40 times he stabbed that pure lady. He was doing a bid of 20yrs for robbing a doughnut shop. He had a pattern
So stop the cap' this was dems trying to use someone.
The only reason Marcellus was even still alive at the age of 55 was because he was in prison. If he wasn’t arrested, he would’ve OD’d or made the wrong person angry eventually. The two informants remained free, and both have since passed on due to the lives they led.
Thanks taxpayers!
a compassionate stance, I see!
. . . and we all lived happily ever after. 😁🙏
@@museumghost At a certain point, showing unwarranted compassion for the perpetrator is showing disdain to the many victims. This man was on a long and winding downward spiral.
@@DenhagueSam it’s not unwarranted, the state putting people to death is wrong. and you’re not going to convince me otherwise jsyk
He was guilty af
You don’t know that. You weren’t there.
@@gordongraham1771no one was other than the killer. That’s the point bud. That’s why it’s beyond a *reasonable* doubt, not beyond *all* doubt
@@annabasnatural nothing can be truly known for sure…there could always be some demon manipulating our senses to make us think something is true. Or we could be Boltzmann brains etc.
@@annabasnaturalthat's also why you added nothing. They commented tge same as you but in different words. 😂 gj Dr Einstein! 👏
@@gordongraham1771 Having an opinion as a member of society out of which a jury of one's peers is drawn, is not based upon being there and doing that thing, such as a criminal act. I was not there, as a participant or a witness who may or may not be absolutely reliable, either. In imagining myself as a potential juror in this criminal case, I would find that the mishandling of the physical evidence on the knife would be problematic. However, recovery of the stolen items from several different sources pointing the finger of blame at him would be indicative of his involvement in this murder. To me, his girlfriend may well have also participated in the crime. So, together with his criminal history, I would lean toward finding him guilty with a punishment of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, with or without the aiding and abetting of accomplices, such as his girlfriend. The final execution of his death sentence appears to be more like putting down a mad dog.
I do not like the outcome, which could have been prevented or avoided altogether with proper parenting or ameliorated with good supervision, education, coaching, and/or mentoring, but I do not have to feel sorry for him based upon how he chose to live his life in adulthood as a career criminal. Obfuscation of personal responsibility often takes on the form of inane and loudly repeated straw man arguments, such as yours. The defense and prosecution of criminal elements embedded in society has created a revolving door in the criminal justice system that is a perpetual moneymaking machine at the taxpayers' expense.
Sounds to me like he committed the murder with his girlfriend ! She knew details that weren’t made public. She just removed herself from the crime
If that was true wouldn't he take her down with him?
Ah. I KNEW there'd be a woman, edit: oops, I mean, 'a female' (I forgot where I was for a minute 😅) behind all this. Found the evil be-atch.
@@pedroh.ferraz511 well no because then he’d be admitting that he killed her.
But he didn't say she helped when the jailcell roomie went to police... That's the first time he was implicated and the roomie told cops that he told his sex worker gf too..... Unless jailcell roomie and gf are somehow working together but never knew each other from different states
The second set of footprints says someone else was there, most likely his girlfriend.
He gave his victim the death sentence and she was innocent. She didnt get to visit with her family before she was killed. She didn't get to choose her last meal. She was stabbed repeatedly and brutally while he was given a needle. Its still not fair. Why do people forget about the victim over the years?? They pay the ultimate price. Thank you, Dr. Grande! 😊
she didn't get to appeal, there was no stay in her execution and she didn't get to choose a last meal. There's a saying.."Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent". That applies here too.
Williams last words were praise Allah. She's in heaven and he's off somewhere else getting his "ten virgins." Eternity is a long time.......
assuming he was actually guilty and not racially profiled to death right
@ironyelegy it's almost like you didn't watch the above video.
Nothing to do with his skin color. He had her belongings. Sold her laptop. Shoeprints at the crime scene. DNA on the knife. Brutally stabbed 43 times.
Quit sympathizing with killers
@@julescooks Wow. It's like YOU didn't watch the video The two different shoe prints at the crime scene did not match Williams' shoe size. The DNA on the knife did not match Williams'. No physical evidence found at the crime scene connected to Williams.
Admittedly, I was under the false impression that this man was innocent and was a victim of a bs justice system. I have now changed my status based on the evidence you provided. I rescind my original position and support.
Did you watch the full video???
@@laela6289I sure did!
I’m a BW and he is guilty. RIP to the victim and her family.
So glad some of you have seen the game these people play. Just when I feel a bit hopeless with humanity, someone like you comes around AND TOTALITY redeems humanity.
@@laela6289 The video is irrelevent to what he said.
Is it okay to believe that someone can be guilty of murder but still not deserving of capital punishment?
Most of the world believes that very thing. ☺️
Absolutely....i respect that. What i dont respect is people who know he most likely did it pretending he was innocent in order to stop his execution.
Of course.
I believe it's wrong to get a murderer off because you think the death penalty is wrong.
Yes that's why they have a separate sentencing hearing. The jury doesn't have to vote for death. They can vote for life in prison.
If he was innocent - how did he get her laptop? He never explained that. And I don't agree that the cellmate and GF were completely without any credibility. A career criminal isn't going to have people of sterling character around them as associates, lovers, cellmates, etc. They don't look for a Sunday school teacher type to confess to. Here you have 2 confessions to 2 separate people who had no connection with each other, and there was zero evidence they participated in the crime. And it is well known that prisoners confess (even boast) to other prisoners. In my book, just because someone isn't a particularly good person is no reason to automatically reject their evidence or claims.
It could be the girl who was involved with some other people, not Marcellus. However, I agree that there is a 99.99% chance he is guilty, but that is not 100%. For me to support death penalty, I have to be 100% sure
The ex gave him the laptop. This is already established evidence.
A witness saw Asaro with Gayle's laptop well before Williams sold it. She was almost certainly either directly involved in Gayle's murder or knew who did it (the source of the hair and footprints that didn't match Willams). Giving up her accomplice would have also implicated her, so she decided to pin it on Williams instead. As for Cole, the jailhouse informant, he wanted the reward money and help with his own charges.
Just 24 days before Gayle's murder, there was an almost identical home invasion murder just 3 miles away, that of Debra McClain. McClain was stabbed in her home 20 times, also with a knife from her own kitchen. Williams could not have killed McClain because he was locked up at the time. McClain's murder remains unsolved.
Girl had it.
@@Libbathegreat Cole, the informant, wanted the money, but how would cole have known that Marcellus was connected to the case through the gf and Marcellus' grandfather's car? Cole may have known about the murder, but how would he have been able to direct cops directly to Marcellus and the ex-gf?
I see a lot of people championing his innocence, but I think they missed the point. I have no idea if he killed her, it sounds like he probably did. But the point is that there's so much reasonable doubt in this case that it made execution unjust. Williams should not have been executed unless better evidence was found, which may never have happened.
If the calculator and laptop buyer are the only real evidence, that's not enough. I think the sentence for what he did to the corrections officer should have been lifelong solitary confinement.
@@azulgaia7782Forget all the confessions. Sure.
He was guilty obviously guilty. He still got a lot more mercy than that poor girl 😢
OK, then whose DNA was on the knife?
@@flingonber it's called touch DNA I believe it was a lawyer or somebody. Look it up. Watch Criminal Profiler Pat Brown on this case. They were trying to get him off on a technicality not bc he was innocent. That's the way the "innocence project" works.
@@robinhood2454 The fingerprints weren't his either, and the shoeprints were the wrong size. The hair wasn't his either. That's a LOT of forensic evidence that wasn't his - if it DID match him, people would be relying on that, but if it doesn't they just ignore it.
Also, the fingerprints and the shoeprints were in blood, so we know they were someone who was there at the scene during or after the murder.
@@flingonber his girlfriend and there was another guy. Just watch some other points of view from different profilers. It's like the Making a murderer story. You are only getting parts of the evidence not the whole picture. Remember most people have an agenda. Wether it's they are trying to convince you of something or for ratings or bc that's how they see it. Without looking at all the evidence we can't make a decision on innocence or guilt. I have not seen all the evidence but have seen enough to form my own opinion and I see complete guilt. I am not saying I'm right it's just my opinion.
There was no question about his guilt. He was just a convenient poster child for the folks who oppose the death penalty.
I question his guilt, but even if he was how is the government doing the exact thing they punished him for justice?
My issue with the death penalty and I used to be for it, is first as I got older and see how incompetent government is I don't think it's right to possibly give someone innocent the death penalty. Second it just feels more like vengeance than justice. I can understand victims and people in the public wanting this , but that's based on emotions and the government is supposed to be dispassionate and lastly it's not a good look for The United States to be in the same conversation as China, Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia. Even Russia doesn't have a death penalty.
those folks who oppose the death penalty are always silent when you mention how violent crimes have skyrocketed.
@@adotintheshark4848 that’s because it’s a lie. Violent crime in 2024 is at a 50 year low.
@@adotintheshark4848the death penalty does not lower crime rates, lots of innocent people have been killed by mistake, lots of reasons to oppose it, isn’t life in prison enough already ?
*WHAT. DOES. MARCELLUS WILLIAMS. LOOK, LIKE?*
"w-w-what?!?"
Say what again, I dare you! I double dare you mother fluffer.
I knew the name sounded familiar. Close enough lol
What ain't no country I've ever heard of.
I knew this comment would be lurking around somewhere. Lol
🤣🤣🤣 then why you trying to #@@ him like a #@#@ BRAD???
Hey, innocent people turn up covered in blood with a victim's stolen property all the time. It can happen to anyone, bro.
He was set up by the white man. Because they had nothing else to do with their time, but pour blood on a man. 🙄
the claims of blood were made by his ex and were not corroborated. That is heresay. So your point is baseless
@@DaggerSecurity Another POS from humanity, gone. Wah wah. The fact you think he's not guilty, is hilarious.
@@DaggerSecurityThere is a long list of evidence bud, there is absolutely no way to explain it all...and the courts agreed, over and over and over again...
Exactly 💯
The Innocence Project is very ironically named as its primary goal appears to be getting obviously guilty men out of jail.
You are wrong! It has helped exonerate innocent people. We assume that the police, DAs and judges are fair and impartial. The evidence clearly shows this is not the case. So one has to logically conclude there are innocent people in jail. This case is not one of them. The fact that he had her personal property in his car is strong enough evidence to convict him without any questions. Just because the witnesses are not credible, doesnt mean he wasn't guilty.
Let's not forget they let out Sheldon Johnson who went ahead and killed someone. They are a joke.
@@golfswingbodymechanicsinte2854 bullshit - they are bleeding heart losers. Too naive and stupid to realise they are being played by death row inmates who are guilty
Then they have a terrible strategy, because all they do are DNA tests. That's not how you get a guilty man out of jail.
15 felonies…
Circumstantial...
Should have been locked up forever on the 3rd one.
Irrelevant
@@mr.denzelsausageton9719 Not irrelevent, at all. It shows a pattern of doing the EXACT same thing.
Yep, 15. So the real question is, why was he even out ofprison at all?
There seems to ba a lot of emotion surrounding this execution, your snslysis of it is refreshingly fair and unbiased.
The case has been analyzed for 20 years. He was the killer, don't lose sleep over his passing.
Do you know why the "Innocence Project" advocated for a stay of his execution?
I always throw away my clothes in a sewer when i get in a fight. Riiiiiiiigggggghhhhttttt.
According to the ex who was getting a free pass on her warrants
Shame so much talk is wasted on the killer, I'm sure the victim was a much deeper, interesting, productive member of society
Bad guys are actually a lot more interesting. That’s why Soft White Underbelly is so popular.
Felicity (Lisha) was. Aside from her university degree and journalism, she worked with disadvantaged children and was known for her philanthropy. She was a Wife, daughter and loved by family and friends.
@@jule3480 and just like that her life was just snuffed out like nothing. Life is pretty cruel like that.
@@shameronstar7220Yes.
He was a danger to prison employees and not worth keeping alive.
Hi God, nice to finally meet you!! Can you tell us more about how you decide on who should and should not live!?!?
Hopefully he dropped the facade, repented and received forgiveness of sins. If not he's now very aware of who the real judge is
If he had been deal with properly when that poor guard was violently mauled with the barbell, maybe that innocent woman would be alive today. Maybe that innocent man wouldn’t have to deal with the memories of finding his bludgeoned wife with a knife sticking out of her neck. I don’t understand the state fighting to keep him alive. This isn’t compassion. This is cruelty to people who don’t deserve it.
@@RickPughhe went the same place you’re going buddy. Lights out
@@brianwingate7818 The STATE decides who gets the axe - not your god or anyone else's god.
There is a Nigerian proverb that says 'Every day is for the thief but one day is for the owner.' His death is the culmination of a life lived causing harm to society and feigned innocence.
Inmocent
Innocent
We have the same in Kenya in Swahili that says “ Days of a thief are 40.”
@@francescawilliams8177 Exactly! 'Siku za mwizi ni arubaini'
@@cutandgo yeeees😁
The thing about life is that when you act like a piece of crap, not many people are going to care if you end up going down for one of the crimes that you actually didn’t commit. Maybe that’s not fair…but I don’t remember anyone saying that life is fair.
I am from the St Louis area and followed this case over the years there is so much misinformation here. My sympathy is for the victim and her family..
Like...?
That is a very strong statement with nothing to follow it up with. What are we supposed to do with that?
he's not diagnosing, only speculating
Where is that missinformation exactly???
@@sudarmaji77rookie mistake by op 😂
I'm from St. Louis. I never believed in the death penalty.This case changed my mind.
This victim did nothing to go thru this horror.
Dude was guilty. Absolutely no doubt about it.
What if it was the girl who did it with some other persons, and used Marcellus as a scapegoat? The jailhouse confession could be Marcellus trying to look tough in prison, but he knew his gf was involved. There needed to be some more evidence for a death penalty
I wonder why the "Innocence Project" advocated for him?
@@jenninscho1980Joos wanting to free their destructive golem?
@chris2kgreat it's unfortunate, I guess, but life isn't fair sometimes.
@@jenninscho1980I am not taking a stance on this issue one way or another.
The innocence project is (presumably) against the death penalty, regardless of guilt or what offense it is being employed for.
Thus, they would try to avoid said outcome, particularly in a case where there is a possibility, no matter how unreasonable, that the prosecutions theory of the facts was wrong in any way.
If he got LWOP, he would have been forgotten long ago.
If you lay down with a dog, you get up with flees.
I’m reading that while watching my dog scratch himself, he’s laying on the bed with me too 😂
'Sure, Marcellus may have been a cold-blooded killer, but at least he wasn't having an affair'
Hooray! The bar has been raised! 😅
He served up some shade on a silver umbrella😂😂😂😂
And let me guess, he found religion too.
Of course he did, he became a Muslim. A follower of Mohammad, a man in his 50s who married a 6 year old girl. Makes sense why so many criminals convent to Islam in prison.
Converted to Islam apparently.
@@avivastudios2311Allahu Akbyebye
He couldn't be more guilty if his name was Stabby McFelon.
Absolutely. The chocolate ones don’t like to take responsibility for what they do. And they do a lot.
🤣🤣🤣
😂
@@daveatkins3568The Vanilla ones take it just the same in Petosi, but they love it and form clubs around it.
There is one big fact you did not present here. One of the facts the jailhouse snitch told the police was the knife was left in the victims neck. That WAS NOT public knowledge at the time. There is simply no way to get around this unless believe in police conspiracy, which I do not
I’m not declaring this guy innocent in any what whatsoever but there have been cases in which a jailhouse snitch was fed “secret” info. It’s a terrible practice that should stop as it is often abused by the state.
I’ve already point this out and the excuse was “ you can’t rule out police investigative corruption “. Always an excuse.
@@4Mr.Crowley2 the problem with that argument is that until this snitch said something, Williams was never even a suspect. It was this remark that changed everything
Also this corruption is played out. Not everyone who went to jail went in because of police corruption. You cannot assume it unless there is some reason to
@@jule3480 exactly. It’s bullshit. Most of these idiots claiming police corruption have no idea that the vast vast majority of police corruption is drug cases. And usually to hide their own involvement in selling drugs. Pinning some random guy for a murder is not common
Regardless if u agree with the good Dr's take on the matter, no one can say he says what he says with malice. Always very analytical. .. Love it.
Guilty of ordering the worst/lamest last meal.
Crazy stuff. It blows my mind how people can live with themselves after killing somebody. Sad stuff.
He was guilty. The end.
Not many people will cry for Marcellus but the potentially bad thing is if he wasn't the killer, the real killer got away with it.
Probably OJ😂
Who though? Literally no other suspects.
No need to do hypotheticals, he's guilty.
He had info only the killer would know
Surely the potentially bad thing would be that an innocent man was executed? 🤔
I was all "calculator?" And then realized it was 1998
Hey, I was an undergraduate at Yale, and all my papers were either typed on a typewriter or, in some cases, handwritten. The first time I was in Los Angeles, I RENTED a cell phone.
OMG, I'm so old! 😅
His own girlfriends testimony was against him. He wasn't innocent.
Dr. Grande would be a great choice for the voice of HAL
My mind is going. I can feel it.
“I’m not diagnosing you, Dave. Just speculating on what may be occurring in a similar situation.”
Is there someone who is not Self Centered ?
Dr. Grande.
No, some people are just less self centered lol
IMO Marcellus was extremely dangerous and needed to be in prison for the rest of his life. As for the death penalty I don’t think it was ethical to carry it out when he had agreed to the Alfred plea and he had appeals and things pending.
And now all the people who were working on those appeals and things he pending can now move on to other things instead of wasting their time on this loser.
Justifying the execution of a person by the State "through a hypothetical future only reveals the type of society in which it lives. A "State" that executes a criminal having reasonable doubts of its mistake, puts that "State" on the same level as murder, with the aggravation of injustice
Main Stream Media: "tHe DnA DiDnt MaTCh"
Mean while the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming and conveniently not mentioned.
Only in the US would we be aghast at the fact that a dangerous murderer was executed. It amazes me how a certain community will always vouch for their innocence based solely on skin color.
Has anyone seen my cat?
Do you live in Springfield?
They’re eating the cats
Dr. Grande receive my greetings from Africa.Kenya🇰🇪.
"The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword." Eddard Stark
Judge Dredd lol
@@Aceshigh777 Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North.
RIP Mr Stark. Gone too soon 😢
The physical evidence (calculator and ruler) indicate that either Marcellus or his girlfriend or both of them were involved. If he was innocent, how did the other prisoner know that he had any connection to the murder? Lucky guess? No, Marcellus had to have said something. If he had said that his girlfriend has murdered her why wouldn't the other prisoner simply have told police that? His interest was the reward so why would he care who he turned in? Either would have done. And if Marcellus had said the girlfriend did it and the prisoner's sole interest was the reward then why would he turn in someone he knew didn't do it when he could have turned in someone he knew did? That doesn't make sense. Turning in the wrong person would be less likely to get him the reward than turning in the right person. So Marcellus did confess to him. That's the only way any of this works. Now maybe the girlfriend was involved as well, but she's dead so that's a moot point and wouldn't diminish Marcellus' guilt in any way. But it would be strange for her to tell police when arrested on other charges that she knew something about the murder if she was involved. Trying to get out of a prostitution charge by potentially implicating yourself in a murder that you committed seems highly improbable. So he was guilty. Beyond a reasonable doubt. The mishandling of the physical evidence and the mystery hair and shoe prints don't prove anything. Other than that some people are incompetent and other humans were at some point in or around the victim's home. Hardly shocking or compelling in any way. They got it right.
I live in St Louis and my cities reaction to this execution? looting a kids shoe store. lol we're so pathetic
I think Dr Grande should make a video about the people defending this murderer. Why do they do it? What makes someone defend such an evil person?
Everyone deserves a defense. It’s up to the prosecution to prove guilt. It’s a constitutional right in the United States.
@@TMTM584 I don’t think the OP is talking about a legal defence.
Talking about people that will gravitate to criminals who have irrefutably committed heinous crimes but have people defend or excuse their actions.
Even serial killers have fans who become infatuated with them, how does that person’s mind operate? Why?
@@jule3480 Money and/or Justice. In terms of people who gravitate towards criminals especially violent ones, they are usually women with BPD, Borderline Personality Disorder. It's not that difficult to diagnose them.
Among the main reasons: race.
@@waindalton8575 he’s guilty. He always was. It’s a hell of a coincidence for someone to say he did it and for him to have personal belongings of the person killed. You can say the informant lied and you can say maybe the items weren’t hers or were given to him but when you combine both it’s 100% guilt. The reason the black community is in the spot it’s in is because they gravitate to defending trash like this.
I am shocked at the amount of comments from folks that are ok with executing someone who may not be guilty ( I can’t call him innocent).
That pesky old reasonable doubt stuff.
One person actually said, "there's no proof that Marcellus was innocent." That's not how the criminal justice system works, LMAO. The onus is on the state to prove his guilt. They failed. That's the bottom line.
And according to one source, 197 innocent people have been executed in this country. We should try to do better. Instead, the comments here are full of "he deserved to be executed!!!" even though his guilt wasn't proven. Zero physical evidence.
One commenter is talking about the Innocence Project being founded by 2 Jewish lawyers. Tells you everything you need to know about the person.
I'm embarrassed and losing hope for this country...
He was found guilty.
I think he was guilty and honestly I can’t squeeze an ounce of sympathy out for that dangerous career criminal .
Aside from DNA also not exonerating him and a jailhouse informant providing information not released to the general public, Marcellus’ own gf providing vital information….this charming man’s crime sheet includes:
two felony assaults, two felony armed criminal robberies, four felony burglaries, two burglaries , two stealing charges and on it goes.
@@katfayegarrett3872 He was guilty beyond reasonable doubt. You act like there needs to be video or forensic evidence to convict someone of a crime. According to that logic every murder case prosecuted in American history before the early 90s should be reviewed since DNA evidence wasn't a factor up until the late 80s/early 90s, which is just lunacy. 😂
😮They want to do the crime but not pay the consequences...he had her items in his car and sold some...he did it...37 stabs to an innocent woman❤Lord Jesus come quickly..the evil in our world is horrific!
I am really shocked when people are claiming the innocence of some persons, playing a bit the system. Marcellus was so innocent to be framed by a pool of people (not only the state, but also his girflfriend, his cellmate and the person who bought the pc), and those persons were so mean that they even manage to show other not expensive items from his victims which have managed to find somehow. I wish that people who are claim the innocence of this poor man, would have spent the next months with him after he was released from prison
Do you understand that police and many others in the system mess up PHENOMENALLY... ... CONSTANTLY!!!??? The Central Park 5 are perhaps one of the best examples of how the system can screw you despite having NO EVIDENCE against you. In another case, the POLICE handing one of DAHMER'S victims BACK TO HIM to be murdered DESPITE ALL THE WARNINGS, is a clear sign of just how incompetent the different parts of the system is. No one has to be "MEAN". Just incompetent and or callous about another person's life.
He was guilty. The only reason anyone is claiming he may be innocent is because of who he was and whom his victim was.
These mistakes are irreversible.
I love how all these lawyers are more sure than the justice system. Good thing you actually have no authority 😉
Probably guilty but I cant believe how many people believe jailhouse confessions - I mean c'mon - you take the word of another criminal (with a very large incentive) as 100% true.
Except the informant knew details that weren’t made available to the media and public
@@jule3480 In which case you'd have to believe the investigators were 100% honest. I'm sure they were but it wouldn't be the first time someone has bent the rules a little bit.
@@abrin5508 That and a whole lot of other evidence that the departed career criminal’s cheer squad also apply whataboutisms too.
Oh well, at least there’s a permanent full stop on his criminal resume
Glad to see you admitted you thought he was guilty even though you disagree with the death penalty. Most of the anti death penalty people immediately get defensive and try to shift blame to others instead of facing the truth.
Problem is that people were claiming Marcellus was completely innocent and should've been released from prison.
It's crazy how many people this monster was innocent
Most of the believers are white liberals.
Those people are monsters in their own right because they couldn't care less about the poor innocent woman he stabbed 43 times. Some people are even proud because she was a white woman. Sickening.
Any felony case conviction can be questioned after 25 years... especially if the people doing the questioning have an agenda.
He looks like a key and peele sketch character
_When a man indulges in a life of violent crime, the odds of him meeting a terrible and premature fate will immediately skyrocket. -- Case in point: Mr. Marcellus Williams, recently executed. A man who may or may not have been guilty of murder, but in the end, suffered the consequences for his choice of profession. His Karma debt now stamped as 'paid in full' and filed in the legal archives of...The Twilight Zone._
Well written
Love your twilight zone comments
I'm from Missouri and I agree that when given a death sentence it should be carried out after appeals are exhausted and DNA excludes all other possibilities.
Taking out back that week. Only in America do we treat criminals with kid gloves.
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour you obviously haven’t traveled the world
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour
Lol...
More people in prison per capita than any other country on earth...
God bless America !
❤🤍💙
Just to let you know the murder weapon was washed clean. No dna evidence. During the first trial the original proscuter left his dna on the knife. This is the "dna evidence that does not match " talking point the left wong media keep parroting. The dna testing was just a eay to delay the execution.
@@mr.denzelsausageton9719seriously. Dude's ignorant af
Media completely butchered this story so I am glad to have found Grande's unique viewpoint. While I do find reasonable doubt, I don't feel sorry for Marcellus. He is neither innocent nor kind but a monster regardless. I also do find the evidence to be strong against him and he was a violent criminal.
B-b-but his last meal was chicken wings and tater tots
Everyone the innocence project fights to get off death row is guilty. They aren't pro justice, they are anti death penalty
They literally fake evidence to get convicted murderers released. In fact, multiple criminals they got released reoffended a short time later, two men committed murders only months after their release.
Anyone who is honest and who knows who Barry Scheck is agrees.
Can you please tell us the origin of your connection to cacti, Dr. G? Promise we won’t diagnose. Only speculate about what could be happening in a situation like it
I actually think punishment is overrated and convicting people should have nothing but protecting the public in mind.
I agree
But punishment can dissuade other people from committing crimes protecting potential victims.
On top of that I do believe a victim has a right to 'revenge' even though we call it justice and punishment.
@@retsaMinnavoiG Statistic say otherwise, and anyway, violent perps would get looked up. Revenge is also not a good thing for those who seek it. It doesn't help in reality, it just feels very satisfying in movies.
@@ulalaFrugilega I think you'll find that in most media revenge is found to not be satisfying and looked down upon.
In the real world I have found revenge is deeply satisfying and most people believe in it.
Of course when I say revenge in the context of our conversation I don't mean an eye for an eye or personal retribution, I mean in the context of the legal system.
The punishment aspect of justice is not called revenge but that is exactly what it is. If you kill my family I don't want you to be released in two years because you are rehabilitated, I have a right to expect that you will suffer the loss of your freedom for some period aka you will be punished (which I call revenge).
Sure, it's not the type of revenge you typically think of but it is still revenge in my opinion.
Anyway, that is a bit off track and I don't care what people call it because I think punishment is an essential part of the justice system.
How does a purely 'rehabilitation' oriented legal system equal justice, it does nothing for the victim?
Have you got any reputable and relevant sources about the severity of punishment and deterrence?
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Your true fans love your humor and sarcasm. September 27 is Off-Topic Comments Day, Attention-Seeking Day, Lonely TH-camrs Day and Off-Putting Comments Day.
😂😂😂🎉 You forgot Extreme Narcissism Day and Report Anyone Who Doesn’t Agree With You Day.
That’s the first time i’ve disagreed with something you said, i’ve watched a lot of your shows. Saying that “the debate over his guilt is academic” was very surprising to hear, if he was not guilty it means the real killer is still out there. Proving someone is innocent is just as important as proving their guilt even after he was executed.
Dr grande os a known r@cist nothing new.
Let's all just calm down and be glad Marcellus isn't hanging round all that much anymore 😂
@@purringbluzzmuffin8030Agreed but something sounds fishy, a random burglar doesn’t stab someone 40 times and leave the knife in their neck, thats rage.
The "lack" of physical evidence is better termed as invalid evidence; the shoeprints and hair could have been from a different time or without having seen them if they were smudged then they would have been interpretive rather than definite. However the girlfriend leading police to possessions the victim owned and knowing details of the case not made public showed guilt. Not beyond a reasonable doubt in a legal sense but if Marcellus wasn't the killer then he was connected to or knew who was. So yeah, I think he was guilty.
to be fair, she probably knew so many people like him who were also able to do that, that she might have known it from a different source and just say whatever police wanted her to say or even get the evidence they later found from them (it's not that improbable that sb. might have given her the purse for her services or whatever).
Man, the audience here has become ignorant and bloodthirsty over the years. It's sad to see how many people just want to default to seeing a person executed instead of taking a simply taking a second look over the investigation.
exactly. it should scare you if someone is being executed without any real physical proof. it’s not to say that he isn’t guilty. i think executing someone without physical proof sets a bad precedent
@@sarai5400 so you’re saying there was no evidence he was guilty?
@@nikkinikki4033 no. i am not saying that there was zero evidence. i am saying that there was zero forensic evidence aka physical proof that could be matched with marcellus
@@sarai5400 forensic evidence isn’t always available that’s why it’s not the only thing dependent on to prove guilt or innocence. I might have a good explanation for why my dna was at the scene of a crime so it being there doesn’t automatically make me guilty. In this case there was other evidence that proved he was guilty.
@@nikkinikki4033 my original statement wasn’t stating he was innocent. there is evidence against him through witness testimony and his possession of the victims belongings. i do believe that the death penalty, in cases where there can be reasonable doubt (aka through lack of physical evidence), should not be used. he should have gotten life without parole.
None of the prisoner advocacy groups stood up for this ,he was guilty
Oh dear, what a pity, never mind 👋
RIH!
Don't, Stop!
This weird obsession with attempting to dismiss clear cut crimes because the perpetrators high up on the victim hierarchy (in this case black + Muslim) needs to end.
I think he was guilty of murdering her, but I do not think they should’ve carried out the execution. Main reason being her own family thought he was better off in prison and not dead.
Yeah but her family isn't responsible for feeding him for the rest of his life. We are.
@@scottmatznick3140 two things: the state of Missouri (like the state of Texas) has a doctrine where the offender can be omitted the death penalty if the family of the victim rallies to do so. I.w. Erin Caffey. The second is that he is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Meaning in legal terms : yes, he most likely did it , but we need more evidence. A crime that has the slightest possibility of doubt should not be given the death penalty.
Judgments should be fair and dispassionate, not based on case-by-case polling of victims’ families.
@@DanxethenightawayWhen a jury, having heard all the evidence and deliberated on it, determines that the accused is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, it’s irrelevant whether activists against the death have (or pretend to have) doubt decades later.
@@waindalton8575 that’s not entirely true. Think of the OJ Simpson case. The jury KNEW he was guilty , yet they deliberated not guilty for personal reasons. He got off scotch free. No , the jury does not always deliberate correctly.
This is from my city, i remember seeing about this case for the first time a year ago or so, love seeing one of my fav channels cover on it.
I believe he was guilty in reality and beyond a reasonable doubt. The lack of dna wouldn’t dissuade me as people are more conscious about that these days. The calculator and ruler in the car is a major part that I think people have to low of importance on. It’s not considered but let’s face it, he was ready to take an Alford pleas. Why? Because he was just trying to save his own life after taking hers. Also, he wasn’t going anywhere so he had time to continue his fight for his innocence but that wasn’t his purpose, it was just getting off death row. If he had a partner, he didn’t implicate them which he could’ve to help take him off death row. Footprints, was it from police, rescue? Was it a bloody print? I assume so, idk. His violent history and continual felonious acts I believe increased his entitlement. He’s dead and the world is little safer now.
If it wasn't him, he obviously knew who did it!! The fact that he had all her belongings and two people got him implicated in the case was absolutely great!! Thanks to the $10,000 reward that was offered, he was caught.
Regardless if he was or wasn't the killer he was involved and chose NOT to say who did it. Perhaps was her husband that paid him to kill his wife. Again, whatever the case he was involved even if the DNA didn't match his.
The items recovered in his grandfather's car didn't walk to the car and the fact that a witness came forward stating he sold him the computer, again showed he was involved. I don't believe the girlfriend was involved since she could implicated herself.
Bye Marcellus ✌🏾! Anyway! What are you’ll doing this weekend?
😂😂
It’s crazy yall lightly joke about a man’s end after being proven he wasn’t guilty.
Bye Felicia 😂
@@NotGahruveywomp womp
@@Throndl when it is someone you know, remember womp womp.
I heard the 2 shoe prints found were left by 2 guys doing some work on her house just weeks prior. Could be used for and against him.
Stop.
Something fairly important that Dr. Grande didn't mention here -- and I'm confused as to why he didn't bring it up -- is that absolutely no one wanted Williams executed: the original jury that convicted him, the prosecutor, and even the family of the victim had all subsequently come out in favor of not executing Williams.
The state killed him anyway.
Personally, I don't care whether he was guilty or not: I'm morally opposed to the death penalty on principal. It's state-sanctioned murder, and I can't get behind that. He never should have been on death row in the first place, but the fact that there was reasonable doubt in this case and the state forced his execution anyway is despicable.
Also Dr Grande's conclusion about the event is completely a figment of his own imagination, you had 2 people who you couldn't trust to give back a pen - make testimonies for money... and I agree, there was a literal effort to prevent his execution.
Is that decision usually based on who wants it?
Plus, why isn't imprisonment simply state-sanctioned kidnapping?
principle*
Someone dies somewhere in the world every couple of seconds and JamesThomasJeans is crying over a violent unaliver 😂
It is hard to find videos on these cases that lay out the facts and put everything together before rendering an opinion. It makes the complex nuances much more digestible and easier to formulate an opinion, which can then be compared and contrasted. Bravo good Sir!
The commies have another saint now.
What?
Interesting name for a criminal, that Marcellus Williams. Marsellus Wallace is the deuteragonist as well as the main antagonist of Quentin Tarantino’s 1994 crime thriller film Pulp Fiction.
Was Marcellus Williams really a Muslim?! He looked like he had a Muslim beard, and his last words were "Praise be to Allah". I'm doubtful of him being a Muslim or a member of the nation of Islam.
Lot of inmates turn to one religion or another as it is often times an easy way to establish a group/gang for protection/backup.
The "zabiba" (prayer callus) on his forehead is a sure sign of devout Muslim prayer.
It's a common prison conversion
He is a Muslim
The bruise on the center of his forehead is from striking the floor while praying
The "zabiba" on his forehead should definitively answer your question.
Analyzing this case from the lens of being objective, non-bias is a wonderful thing, but I already know off the bat there’s going to be American black nationalists who will claim he is innocent based on the justice system’s past record of executing blacks.
I believe he did the crime. They could have let him rot in prison like so many who do the same thing.
Why ? And who foots the bill ?