I’m out in my backyard right now building a mountain bike trail I got the notification for this video and decided it was time to take a break and watch it
I've learned two important things from this video. One. Your kids had one HELL of a Christmas! Two. You describing the suspension setup to your son is very similar to when Paul the Punter tries to explain it to me. 😂
Haha yes they did have a big Christmas! Suspension tuning... haha that's a tough one to explain in a quick video, but I did my best keeping it high level! Hope to ride with you next time we hang out!
Hey I wanted to add a suggestion. I am a shorter rider and my dropper was a bit tall for me. I came up with a hack using a couple of zip ties from the seat clamp to the seat as a limiting strap to keep the post from extending all the way, now it works great and doesn’t extend too high!
Yeah, when I was younger I used a piece of string to hold the dropper a the right height. I tied it to the seat rails and to the little triangular support on the frame that sits between the top tube and the front of the seat tube on some bikes. I had a Marin B17 but it seems like it would work well on the Release that Owen has.
I might try that. I'm 5'3 and finding a dropper post is not easy. I have one on my Giant Stance, but not my HT Giant Talon. Please see my other post on this video and let me know what you think. Thanks.
I’m 5 foot tall and dropper length has been a challenge. I picked up a 100 mm PNW post and used One up internal shim kit to tune it to the exact length I need (about 90 mm total) Has been homer for two years.
My son moved from 24 inch to 27.5 at Christmas also. For kids, I use the OneUp dropper post. OneUp has the lowest stack height of any dropper. But the best part is the 120mm dropper can be adjusted to 100mm. From looking at your video, I believe the 120mm OneUp dropper adjusted to 100mm will work very well for Owen. Also, the SDG Fly seat is low profile for kids which will help a bit more as well as fit better.
That's what I was thinking as well, they are out of stock for now, but when I can track one down I think the OneUp or the new Fox XC dropper post would be the best fit.
Have three boys of my own and had the same issues with dropper posts. Installed OneUp dropper 125 mm that has also a minimal footprint (read: low stack). But more importantly; boys did learn very quickly to use their 'bottom' to limit the upward movement of the saddle. Simple as that! Love to watch your family-oriented videos, Eric!
Maybe your smaller kid can use the dropper post, using zip ties to stop the full travel of the post. Zip ties between the saddle and the dropper clamp can solve the problem. I used this method for my kids and it was great, because you can increase the travel, when they are growing. Hope, it helps! Greetings from Germany.
I don't know if you don't want to do it, but you can tie a cable at the back of the saddle and in the seatpost collar and set the maximum height that the seatpost can go. I did it for my son's bike and it works perfect ! Cheers !
When I saw Seth's video about a dad towing his son along the white line, my first thought was 'I think Milo and Owen are a bit young for that' luckily it wasn't you guys haha awesome to see them progressing!
Haha yeah they were there for that, it's in our next video, you know Milo and Owen had to go see it for themselves! Not ready to take them on it though haha
Kids bikes are such a challenge b/c of the weight/height issues and then trying to use decent components. I built up a small Kona 26er HT for my 5th grade son and for the fork I grabbed an old RockShox Duke and then ramped up the negative spring pressure to get it to actually move enough for him.
Yeah not too many good bikes in this size, really happy that DB made it! They actually have them in stock right now too! www.diamondback.com/release-4c-4678
Something you can do regarding the dropper issue with Owen is you could get a shor drop pnw components dropper and adjust the travel with the travel adjuster to make it short enough for him
My son is 11 and has an older aluminum XS Release 1 27.5 with Rockshox suspension (Pike/Monarch Plus). I found there was a big difference in suspension when changing the 2wt suspension oil to 0wt suspension oil at his 90 lb ride weight. Fox parts may be different but could be worth a try before a complete re-valve of the dampers (although maybe you get that for free). Also an 80mm dropper worked perfect for him in the XS frame when he was 55" tall.
I had the same issue when I setup my son's fork. He's grown into it now but it was a bit stiff for a while. They grow fast! BTW, the droppers from Oneup and PNW have adjustable travel if you want to get Owen a dropper.
Good video Eric, boys look pumped with the new bikes and Owen seems to be a climbing master, bet going from 24" to 650B is a mega help there, props to what he used to achieve on those 24"s. Looking forward to seeing some more stuff from Sedona and the boys ripping - the footage of them jumping on the new FSs and throwing some good style was impressive, bikes have definitely given them a boost. Pity that there's no real off the shelf suspension parts designed/valved for kids, although going from a HT to FS, any sort of travel in back is going to give them some added traction in the rough stuff. Glad you touched on tyre pressure with Owen, didn't discuss Milo's or what you run in your tyres relative, which would have been cool - I asked on a Yohan Barelli video with one of the kids he's mentoring that I think might weigh 100lbs wet, how come he would recommend the same pressures as him when he's at least 60-70lbs heavier, but didn't get a response. Also would have been cool to touch on bar width and keeping kids on the right width bar instead of one that's too wide, not somewhere, IMHO to leave "big" for a kid to grow into and a god place to help make a "Bit too big, room to grow into" bike fit just a bit better. Not one to not use all bar width myself, but I know some do, so not sure if that's Milo, but it looked like maybe he could use 10mm off each side of his bar and Owen looked like he might take 15mm on each side. P.S. Know they're not one of your sponsors, but you could pick up a PNW 125mm Rainer Gen3 dropper and drop it to 100mm and think that by Fall Owen might be able to use it. Alternatively, you could always just don't extend the dropper all the way back up when Owen's riding, so he at least has instant ability to drop it, then just have to take time to get it back to the right height.
Thanks! The bikes definitely made a big difference, even though they aren't using full travel! Tire pressure helped a lot, Milo is closer to 20psi because he is smashing harder and weighs 100lbs. I think if I messed with the valving I could get away with lower fork/shock pressure, but I don't think I will. For Owen I'm going to check all the specs on droppers to see if there's anything that could work, the Fox Transfer SL comes in short travel options, as well as the OneUp that's coming out this summer in 100mm travel. On bar width, I decided to let them run this to see how it works and then trim as necesary, don't want them too wide.
Having been on a rigid now almost exclusively for a couple years and now getting back on the FS, it definitely does make life a lot easier, don't need to spend as much time standing as on the rigid being the suspension. Which version and what tyres is he and Owen running and rim width? I'd figure at their weights, they could easily go down into the realm of what for us would be PLUS tyre type pressures - Owen 12-14 and Milo 14-18. Not smashing super hard, but with my 2.6" on i35 rims, I can be down in as low as 12F/15R for slower tech stuff and 13-14F/16-18R for faster stuff with harder hits on Schwalbe ADDIX SpeedGrip HD/NN combo, I'm about 175-185 geared and that's on a steel rigid. There's quite a few short/XC travel droppers out there, but I suggested the PNW because while it only comes as low as 125mm, you can still drop it 25mm, in 5mm increments to get it to 100mm and it kind of looked like Owen has close to 4" of exposed seatpost, so still a tad short, but, figured if he could hang a bit and start with something like a 125mm reduced in travel and then maybe not fully extended until he can use the full100mm he'd then have a post to grow in to some more and not be needing a longer one anytime soon. Another option/trick is which saddle you use, even between difference version of the same model in a brand you can have different rail to top of saddle measurements - just found this out when I was trying a resurrected dropper and didn't want to pull my good WTB Pure off the fixed post just in case, so installed a lower spec Pure I had on the dropper, difference in rails to top of saddle was about 5mm. Good call on the bars, they didn't look excessively over wide, and gives the boys a chance to properly feel what works or at least watch them riding and see where they are in terms of grip width.
Skate hipster Milo and skate punker Owen is the kind of character arc I was always hoping for on Porter MTB. They'll never truly fully understand how rad their dad is! That's a lotta personality under one roof...
Great video! I was impressed especially with Owen smashing the pedals on the climbs on that big 27.5! Can't wait until our kiddo is big enough to start riding with me!
Glad this video helped you! Keep riding and improving, more time on the bike gets you more confidence, then everything gets more fun! Have a great day!
A velcro strap around that pocket in the frame then looped thru the seat rails could limit the seats upward movement so that Owen could use that dropper post.
Love the videos guys. Learning lots about setup for our kids. Just bought little kid her first real mountain bike. Big kid gets one in a couple weeks. Good fun stuff.
Thanks for telling me about competitive cyclists. Im currently building a 26" 2007 Specialized Hardrock sport and an having a hard time finding parts that match my gray and teal vision.
As a new rider , I have to say those children are pretty good at riding down those trails . To make your child that good you need to put a lot of effort works and determination .You are such a good parent mate great job . Probably i will need your kids to service my bike 😂😂😂
Eric, I’m a shredder in the Bay Area. I’m currently looking at the Diamondback Release 5C, and it looks sick. It’s a little pricey, and I’m hoping to buy it. Your amazing man. Love your videos! I hope you reply soon. Cheers!
I am super excited for your kids! We have some friends with little (6yo-10yo) shredders and got to watch first hand there transformation from HT to FS bikes last season. It was a great reminder that MTB is an equipment based sport. I will say DB is missing your typical MTB family market with these bike price points. No way a your average family of 4 is dropping $4k-$5k on a kids bike they will out grow in a couple seasons.
Yeah it does make a difference, although they'd be fine on hardtails longer as well, that's all I had till I was 20, without a dropper too! Pricepoints are tough, they are doing their best but everything has gotten so expensive. They do have the Atroz that starts at about $1k complete, and the Release series starts at $2,500 so those are both more affordable.
My first “real” mtb was a full squish and I had been on a full rigid my whole life so I know the feeling of switching from a hard tail to a full squish
Yeah it's tough at that size, make sure to check the inseam and compare to the bike's standover height. More options than ever now thankfully! At 4'3" a 24" might be the best bet for a year, but then you'd be moving up to the bigger wheels.
visually looking at the grey bike it looks like they could’ve removed the gusset and shortened the seat tube even more. 388mm seat tube really isn’t that small for an xs. I understand that possibly tire clearance was a factor there. I recommend trying the new oneup dropper for him as they are super short in there stack and can shim it to 70mm.
I hate your kids in the kindest way possible. You are one hell of a dad. My first full sus was at 27 years old aka a few months ago but you are such a awesome dad they got a really bloody bike so young. Much love bro.
That's awesome, glad you love the vids!! If it makes you feel any better, when I was growing up I didn't get a full suspension bike till I was 19 years old. Spending more time on a hardtail will make you a better and smoother rider, it'll pay off in the long run!
As a short adult (5'3), I know the struggle to find a dropper post. Any suggestions on finding one? I'm riding a 2021 Giant Talon small frame 27.5. I read that I could possibly use a 70mm dropper for kids and use a shiv to account for the tube diameter. I'd love your advice, because unlike Owen, I'm not growing anymore. Does OneUp have anything?
OneUp has the lowest stack height of any dropper out there, and new even smaller options coming out this summer, I think that's what I'm waiting on, or the new Fox Transfer SL post, it's really light and comes in pretty short options!
tie a bit of rope from the triangle brace in the frame to the seat rails, it will limmit its up travel. I have done this when friends borrow my L bike and the dropper is too high!
26er's full sus (aka slopestyle bikes) are the best imo. If you're a parent who only wants to buy one bike to do it all I think it's the best of all worlds. Small enough to take to the skatepark and plush enough to ride downhill. However they aren't cheap lol
For Owen's height limitations regarding the dropper post, he might still benefit from the dropper if you limit the extension. You could run a small loop of paracord through the suspension gusset hole where the top tube meets the seat tube and tie it to the seat rail so that when the dropper extends, it's limited by the loop of cord. Ghetto fix but it would give him some drop which is so good for riding skills!
Yeah that's what I was thinking, hard to find the right size in stock these days, OneUp is coming out with a shorter version this summer too! Also looking at the Fox Transfer SL, it's light and has small options. Good to see you for a sec in Sedona, wish we got to hang out!
For once, I'm glad I'm not a sponsored rider. My 10 year old looks to be the size of these kids and the YT Jeffsy Primus is an amazing bike for his size. It can handle a dropper and is full suspension. He is on the right size bike until he really is big enough to ride an adult sized bike.
Protip on the droppers - modern gravel bike dropper posts come in all kinds of short lengths. Although they're a bit pricey for kids who growth spurt on you every few months. Much better to zip tie the saddle rails to something fixed to limit the rise to the perfect spot. Then you just cut them off every couple of months as junior grows and replace with slightly longer ones as needed.
Hey Porter’s!! Would love to know what trails you all do as a family. We are heading out that way in May, never been, and my wife and I need some not so the white line type stuff.
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I’m out in my backyard right now building a mountain bike trail I got the notification for this video and decided it was time to take a break and watch it
That’s awesome! Good call!
Agreed
same! mine is small but its good for learning how to not be scared of falling. im scared of falling.
@@PorterMTB what u get the bikes for free for kissing Seth's ass??
Same! Keep up the practice for sure!
You are raising future pro MTB riders for sure! They are so skillful and connected to the bike yet so young.. simply amazing!
I've learned two important things from this video. One. Your kids had one HELL of a Christmas! Two. You describing the suspension setup to your son is very similar to when Paul the Punter tries to explain it to me. 😂
Haha yes they did have a big Christmas! Suspension tuning... haha that's a tough one to explain in a quick video, but I did my best keeping it high level! Hope to ride with you next time we hang out!
2 ticks! Cool
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Hey I wanted to add a suggestion. I am a shorter rider and my dropper was a bit tall for me. I came up with a hack using a couple of zip ties from the seat clamp to the seat as a limiting strap to keep the post from extending all the way, now it works great and doesn’t extend too high!
Yeah, when I was younger I used a piece of string to hold the dropper a the right height. I tied it to the seat rails and to the little triangular support on the frame that sits between the top tube and the front of the seat tube on some bikes. I had a Marin B17 but it seems like it would work well on the Release that Owen has.
I might try that. I'm 5'3 and finding a dropper post is not easy. I have one on my Giant Stance, but not my HT Giant Talon. Please see my other post on this video and let me know what you think. Thanks.
That's a great workaround to make it work!
I’m 5 foot tall and dropper length has been a challenge. I picked up a 100 mm PNW post and used One up internal shim kit to tune it to the exact length I need (about 90 mm total) Has been homer for two years.
@Dawson That is true but, the only problem is that it could be hard to get it to be a consistent Hight.
My son moved from 24 inch to 27.5 at Christmas also.
For kids, I use the OneUp dropper post. OneUp has the lowest stack height of any dropper. But the best part is the 120mm dropper can be adjusted to 100mm.
From looking at your video, I believe the 120mm OneUp dropper adjusted to 100mm will work very well for Owen.
Also, the SDG Fly seat is low profile for kids which will help a bit more as well as fit better.
That's what I was thinking as well, they are out of stock for now, but when I can track one down I think the OneUp or the new Fox XC dropper post would be the best fit.
Have three boys of my own and had the same issues with dropper posts. Installed OneUp dropper 125 mm that has also a minimal footprint (read: low stack). But more importantly; boys did learn very quickly to use their 'bottom' to limit the upward movement of the saddle. Simple as that! Love to watch your family-oriented videos, Eric!
I just graduated my 10yr old to an adult sized bike. So great to see them excited about growing up
my son is on an xs frame and it was a game changer for him. I was able to find a low rise dropper for him and he loves it.
Nice, it made such a big difference! I'm gonna look for something that might fit!
Maybe your smaller kid can use the dropper post, using zip ties to stop the full travel of the post. Zip ties between the saddle and the dropper clamp can solve the problem. I used this method for my kids and it was great, because you can increase the travel, when they are growing.
Hope, it helps!
Greetings from Germany.
I don't know if you don't want to do it, but you can tie a cable at the back of the saddle and in the seatpost collar and set the maximum height that the seatpost can go. I did it for my son's bike and it works perfect ! Cheers !
When I saw Seth's video about a dad towing his son along the white line, my first thought was 'I think Milo and Owen are a bit young for that' luckily it wasn't you guys haha awesome to see them progressing!
Haha yeah they were there for that, it's in our next video, you know Milo and Owen had to go see it for themselves! Not ready to take them on it though haha
Love that when Owen went up those shelf’s, that guy said: “that was ridiculous!” He’s definitely progressing
Lmao that was Seths bike hacks too
@@olliechub7931 really? Cool
Kids bikes are such a challenge b/c of the weight/height issues and then trying to use decent components. I built up a small Kona 26er HT for my 5th grade son and for the fork I grabbed an old RockShox Duke and then ramped up the negative spring pressure to get it to actually move enough for him.
Glad to hear DB is making as XS! My SO is 5'0 and finding a bike for her has been a challenge.
Yeah not too many good bikes in this size, really happy that DB made it! They actually have them in stock right now too! www.diamondback.com/release-4c-4678
Cool trick for centering the handle bar at 3:30, gotta show it to my friend who has a lefty 😜
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Get orange decals on those forks ‼️‼️
I’m a bike mechanic and I never knew about that stem trick and now I use it every time I put on a new stem
That's awesome, glad it works for you too!
Dude those bikes are awesome they are now shredding the trails on their new full suspension
Still waiting on my 1st dropper. Lol. I seen some people limited the travel of there dropper with a peace of string or elastic.
Hopefully you get one soon, I didn't have one for a long time either!
Something you can do regarding the dropper issue with Owen is you could get a shor drop pnw components dropper and adjust the travel with the travel adjuster to make it short enough for him
Was scrolling through TH-cam right before taking my bike out for a stroll. Its an Aventon SInch from SWFL Golf Carts.
I wish I had enough money for a full suspension, but I’m stuck on a hard tail where we don’t have any trail variety and none anywhere nearby
Cool glasses that Milo has. Really suits him! Owen you rock!
My son is 11 and has an older aluminum XS Release 1 27.5 with Rockshox suspension (Pike/Monarch Plus). I found there was a big difference in suspension when changing the 2wt suspension oil to 0wt suspension oil at his 90 lb ride weight. Fox parts may be different but could be worth a try before a complete re-valve of the dampers (although maybe you get that for free). Also an 80mm dropper worked perfect for him in the XS frame when he was 55" tall.
Nice content guys for your little guy short cranks ie 150 mm would probably allow him to run the short dropper .
I had the same issue when I setup my son's fork. He's grown into it now but it was a bit stiff for a while. They grow fast! BTW, the droppers from Oneup and PNW have adjustable travel if you want to get Owen a dropper.
Good video Eric, boys look pumped with the new bikes and Owen seems to be a climbing master, bet going from 24" to 650B is a mega help there, props to what he used to achieve on those 24"s. Looking forward to seeing some more stuff from Sedona and the boys ripping - the footage of them jumping on the new FSs and throwing some good style was impressive, bikes have definitely given them a boost.
Pity that there's no real off the shelf suspension parts designed/valved for kids, although going from a HT to FS, any sort of travel in back is going to give them some added traction in the rough stuff.
Glad you touched on tyre pressure with Owen, didn't discuss Milo's or what you run in your tyres relative, which would have been cool - I asked on a Yohan Barelli video with one of the kids he's mentoring that I think might weigh 100lbs wet, how come he would recommend the same pressures as him when he's at least 60-70lbs heavier, but didn't get a response.
Also would have been cool to touch on bar width and keeping kids on the right width bar instead of one that's too wide, not somewhere, IMHO to leave "big" for a kid to grow into and a god place to help make a "Bit too big, room to grow into" bike fit just a bit better. Not one to not use all bar width myself, but I know some do, so not sure if that's Milo, but it looked like maybe he could use 10mm off each side of his bar and Owen looked like he might take 15mm on each side.
P.S. Know they're not one of your sponsors, but you could pick up a PNW 125mm Rainer Gen3 dropper and drop it to 100mm and think that by Fall Owen might be able to use it. Alternatively, you could always just don't extend the dropper all the way back up when Owen's riding, so he at least has instant ability to drop it, then just have to take time to get it back to the right height.
Thanks! The bikes definitely made a big difference, even though they aren't using full travel! Tire pressure helped a lot, Milo is closer to 20psi because he is smashing harder and weighs 100lbs. I think if I messed with the valving I could get away with lower fork/shock pressure, but I don't think I will. For Owen I'm going to check all the specs on droppers to see if there's anything that could work, the Fox Transfer SL comes in short travel options, as well as the OneUp that's coming out this summer in 100mm travel. On bar width, I decided to let them run this to see how it works and then trim as necesary, don't want them too wide.
Having been on a rigid now almost exclusively for a couple years and now getting back on the FS, it definitely does make life a lot easier, don't need to spend as much time standing as on the rigid being the suspension.
Which version and what tyres is he and Owen running and rim width? I'd figure at their weights, they could easily go down into the realm of what for us would be PLUS tyre type pressures - Owen 12-14 and Milo 14-18. Not smashing super hard, but with my 2.6" on i35 rims, I can be down in as low as 12F/15R for slower tech stuff and 13-14F/16-18R for faster stuff with harder hits on Schwalbe ADDIX SpeedGrip HD/NN combo, I'm about 175-185 geared and that's on a steel rigid.
There's quite a few short/XC travel droppers out there, but I suggested the PNW because while it only comes as low as 125mm, you can still drop it 25mm, in 5mm increments to get it to 100mm and it kind of looked like Owen has close to 4" of exposed seatpost, so still a tad short, but, figured if he could hang a bit and start with something like a 125mm reduced in travel and then maybe not fully extended until he can use the full100mm he'd then have a post to grow in to some more and not be needing a longer one anytime soon. Another option/trick is which saddle you use, even between difference version of the same model in a brand you can have different rail to top of saddle measurements - just found this out when I was trying a resurrected dropper and didn't want to pull my good WTB Pure off the fixed post just in case, so installed a lower spec Pure I had on the dropper, difference in rails to top of saddle was about 5mm.
Good call on the bars, they didn't look excessively over wide, and gives the boys a chance to properly feel what works or at least watch them riding and see where they are in terms of grip width.
Skate hipster Milo and skate punker Owen is the kind of character arc I was always hoping for on Porter MTB. They'll never truly fully understand how rad their dad is! That's a lotta personality under one roof...
Haha you nailed it, it's always interesting around here, lots of laughing!
The all orange Release was the hit of Sedona!
Keep up the good work dad! So cool to see their progression.
I saw milo on his new bike on seth's video on the white line. Great job!
Nice, good eye! Editing a video from our whole trip with Seth, will have it up in the next week or so!
Great video! I was impressed especially with Owen smashing the pedals on the climbs on that big 27.5! Can't wait until our kiddo is big enough to start riding with me!
Thanks for getting my confidence up
Glad this video helped you! Keep riding and improving, more time on the bike gets you more confidence, then everything gets more fun! Have a great day!
Wow, giving your kids stuff from work? Thanks Dad, lol.. Awesome vid dude.
Color coordinated bikes look so much better. Great job there Dad!
I agree! Thanks!
If you haven't thought about it yet, possibly look at a fox transfer SL dropper as you can get one with only a 75mm drop which might fit Owen
All the cool stuff aside. It it awesome that you spend quality time with your kids. That way you know what going on in there life's
@porter MTB you guys always make me so psyched to go out and ride keep up the good mtb content you guys are killing it!
A velcro strap around that pocket in the frame then looped thru the seat rails could limit the seats upward movement so that Owen could use that dropper post.
Sedona for the first ride... epic - sweet ride there team.
Thanks, it was a fun one! Working on another video with lots more riding from Sedona soon!
Imagine having Porter and Seth has a coach! Good job guys and great video
Love the videos guys. Learning lots about setup for our kids. Just bought little kid her first real mountain bike. Big kid gets one in a couple weeks. Good fun stuff.
That's awesome it helped, hope the kids are loving the new bikes!!
@@PorterMTB yes they certainly are. Can hardly keep the little kid off her bike. Lol she wanted to just keep going and going last night.
@@Aaeolien so cool, that's the best!
@@PorterMTB totally agree. Keep having fun out there. Looking forward to more adventures of our own and more Porter adventures to watch. 😁
Thanks for telling me about competitive cyclists. Im currently building a 26" 2007 Specialized Hardrock sport and an having a hard time finding parts that match my gray and teal vision.
As a new rider , I have to say those children are pretty good at riding down those trails . To make your child that good you need to put a lot of effort works and determination .You are such a good parent mate great job . Probably i will need your kids to service my bike 😂😂😂
Thanks, it definitely takes patience, but it sure is fun, I'm lucky to have these kids in my life!
Eric, I’m a shredder in the Bay Area. I’m currently looking at the Diamondback Release 5C, and it looks sick. It’s a little pricey, and I’m hoping to buy it. Your amazing man. Love your videos! I hope you reply soon. Cheers!
Milo should get some orange fork and rear shock stickers 👊
I am super excited for your kids! We have some friends with little (6yo-10yo) shredders and got to watch first hand there transformation from HT to FS bikes last season. It was a great reminder that MTB is an equipment based sport.
I will say DB is missing your typical MTB family market with these bike price points. No way a your average family of 4 is dropping $4k-$5k on a kids bike they will out grow in a couple seasons.
Yeah it does make a difference, although they'd be fine on hardtails longer as well, that's all I had till I was 20, without a dropper too! Pricepoints are tough, they are doing their best but everything has gotten so expensive. They do have the Atroz that starts at about $1k complete, and the Release series starts at $2,500 so those are both more affordable.
Commencal have one of the best kid and youth ranges and best value.
My first “real” mtb was a full squish and I had been on a full rigid my whole life so I know the feeling of switching from a hard tail to a full squish
Thanks, I never knew all that. Now I'm going to buy aftermarket parts.
Nice! You can really customize bikes to make them fit and ride how you want!
PNW has a kid size dropper post with 90mm of travel! You should check it out!
Those look great, thanks!
Hi Eric!! So cool to see ur kids killin' it w u too!!
Hey Arla!! We have so much fun riding together!
You could just make a restrictor for the dropper. I have one on my bike. Made it out of wire and crimped it.
Yeah that would definitely work, I went this route so it's clean and simple, and also saves a pound of weight!
I was looking for a bike for my kid who is 4'3'', i was thinking about 24', but now i can at least go straight to 26. Thanks for the video.
Yeah it's tough at that size, make sure to check the inseam and compare to the bike's standover height. More options than ever now thankfully! At 4'3" a 24" might be the best bet for a year, but then you'd be moving up to the bigger wheels.
visually looking at the grey bike it looks like they could’ve removed the gusset and shortened the seat tube even more. 388mm seat tube really isn’t that small for an xs. I understand that possibly tire clearance was a factor there. I recommend trying the new oneup dropper for him as they are super short in there stack and can shim it to 70mm.
I haven't been able to track down a bel air 3.0. Looks good!
Yeah everything is hard to get these days, hopefully it gets better soon! Great saddle for sure, you'll love it!
Curious, is that a special color way on your older sons Poc helmet? Looks really good.
Great Video! do you mind sharing what suspension settings are?
The Porter boys are killing it. Keep shredding!
Thanks! You'll love the next video, more Sedona shredding!
I hate your kids in the kindest way possible. You are one hell of a dad. My first full sus was at 27 years old aka a few months ago but you are such a awesome dad they got a really bloody bike so young. Much love bro.
What did his kids do?
I was biking earlier today and I got injured, no riding for awhile. If you know the feeling.. You know🥲
dang them lucky. i wish i could have a bike like milo's bike on my birthday
i have also learnt two things from this video 1. i wish i had a full suspension bike (cant afford) 2.i love your videos
That's awesome, glad you love the vids!! If it makes you feel any better, when I was growing up I didn't get a full suspension bike till I was 19 years old. Spending more time on a hardtail will make you a better and smoother rider, it'll pay off in the long run!
@@PorterMTB thanks so much that makes me feel a lot better
yes
Milo is the chillest dude in America
spectacular!!!!
Those bikes look fun!
I think kids should go to 26 first for better control!
But we all know he will grow into it!
RideOn!
Definitely keep milo's old bike because I regretted selling my hardtail because hardtails are better for some things.
That’s exactly how I line up bars!
That's awesome, it's my favorite way for sure!
Much love 😘❤️
Im 5’2 and i ride a 29er small
Nice!
you could get a gravel dropper post to fix the dropper issue with owen
As a short adult (5'3), I know the struggle to find a dropper post. Any suggestions on finding one? I'm riding a 2021 Giant Talon small frame 27.5. I read that I could possibly use a 70mm dropper for kids and use a shiv to account for the tube diameter. I'd love your advice, because unlike Owen, I'm not growing anymore. Does OneUp have anything?
OneUp has the lowest stack height of any dropper out there, and new even smaller options coming out this summer, I think that's what I'm waiting on, or the new Fox Transfer SL post, it's really light and comes in pretty short options!
You should get Owen the new one up 90mm droper
tie a bit of rope from the triangle brace in the frame to the seat rails, it will limmit its up travel. I have done this when friends borrow my L bike and the dropper is too high!
26er's full sus (aka slopestyle bikes) are the best imo. If you're a parent who only wants to buy one bike to do it all I think it's the best of all worlds.
Small enough to take to the skatepark and plush enough to ride downhill. However they aren't cheap lol
ya know what it needs stickers, they make it 20% faster and 30% more steezzzzzzz
Good call!!!
For Owen's height limitations regarding the dropper post, he might still benefit from the dropper if you limit the extension. You could run a small loop of paracord through the suspension gusset hole where the top tube meets the seat tube and tie it to the seat rail so that when the dropper extends, it's limited by the loop of cord. Ghetto fix but it would give him some drop which is so good for riding skills!
Nice video! Does OneUp make a dropper small enough for your boy? OneUp has shims which allow you to reduce extension when all the way up.
Haha Seth could ride it too! Heck at 5'6" I probably could too 😆 Sweet ride👍🙋
For Owen you could try the one up 90 millimeter dropper
PNW & OneUp droppers can be adjusted down. You might be able to fit one in there for him.
Yeah that's what I was thinking, hard to find the right size in stock these days, OneUp is coming out with a shorter version this summer too! Also looking at the Fox Transfer SL, it's light and has small options. Good to see you for a sec in Sedona, wish we got to hang out!
@@PorterMTB I was thinking the same as I watched the vid. Would have been cool to ride together with the boys.
Great Bikes! But the Bars look a little bit wide 🙂
For once, I'm glad I'm not a sponsored rider. My 10 year old looks to be the size of these kids and the YT Jeffsy Primus is an amazing bike for his size. It can handle a dropper and is full suspension. He is on the right size bike until he really is big enough to ride an adult sized bike.
Love the bikes :)
you could try the oneup 90mm post for Owen
I'm impressed to his son who knows how to set up bikes
Owens rancid hoodie got me sooo stoked
I had a full sus before a hard tail
that is awesome i need a bigger bike but i don't have enough to get one
Thanks! Keep saving up and hopefully you can get one!
I ride a hard trail too and it's doing the job alright
Protip on the droppers - modern gravel bike dropper posts come in all kinds of short lengths. Although they're a bit pricey for kids who growth spurt on you every few months.
Much better to zip tie the saddle rails to something fixed to limit the rise to the perfect spot. Then you just cut them off every couple of months as junior grows and replace with slightly longer ones as needed.
Milo's bike is really cool my favourite colour is orange
Lucky kids with a great dad
i got a "mack 26 mongoose" bike its really good and cool and its 26 inches so i like it it's pretty good also its hard tail i use it alot
i would love a dad like you
Hi just want to suggest to limit your kids dropper post. Check out rowdy line mtb dropper post limiter hack. For sure your son will love it
Hey Porter’s!! Would love to know what trails you all do as a family. We are heading out that way in May, never been, and my wife and I need some not so the white line type stuff.
Do people not hairspray grips anymore? It's that just for us old school park kids?
dont need to with lock on grips
No hairspray needed with lock ons, it's so nice!
Milo, those glasses are awesome.
surley the dropper is fine, they aren't a all or nothing thing... you just won't be extending it fully until he gets a little taller.