I don't comment very often. Love following Chewy, I'm learning tons. Chewy mentioned this, but I felt (as a former wrestler, US Veteran and 276lb man) that a 300lbs guy being reckless can absolutely hurt other people, i.e. other paying customers - knees, shoulders, cuts, etc.. A business owner is trying to protect all of his paying clientele, you have a 300lb man abusing paying customers it's a problem. When you competed in wrestling - that was your "career." When you were in the military that was your "career." When people go to the gym, often times - that is NOT their career - they aren't all trying to become the next John Jones. Some are retired. Some are business professionals. Some are managers. Some are waiters, drivers, police officers, etc.. Injuring those people because you are an out of control "spazoid" - could quite literally put their career in jeopardy, in some cases their income. Also, in referring to your current coaches methods as "patty-cake" is inherently disrespectful and indicates a level of arrogance and closed mindedness that is going to be hard for any coach/owner to deal with. My best advice is to relieve your military days - do what your told when your told to do it. Stop acting like a know-it-all jerk and just learn what your coaches are telling you, of which - perhaps they are trying to get you to exercise self control. Another thing a wonderful coach told me once..."If you want to have toys to play with when you spar at the gym, then don't break them."
After going over your comment thrice, I thought about something that had never occurred to me so far: It's not only the welfare, careers and income of the other members of his gym that are potentially in jeopardy; indeed, some of those people might be teachers, police officers, nurses, paramedics, firefighters and so on...so if you think about it, that kind of behaviour on the mats can potentially put all of our lives at risk, albeit indirectly.
@@Morpheah As a Viet ERA Vet, I train with Monsters. We have many 300 lbs, I'm 5'7"135lbs 64. Check the EGO,many start full metal jacket few last year to year!
This is a great way of looking at it. I stopped at “well you could hurt your training partners” but I think you went deeper. In addition I think this gentleman is selfish. It’s putting his want to smash and go hard over peoples desires to be well, work on their techniques, and get a great workout.
Let’s give him 700 lb gorilla to roll against so he knows what it’s like. This whole “suffer and endure” bullshit works when you’re 300 pounds in great shape. I tried it at 135lbs. I did not get better throwing my back out 3 times. …if he wants to get his ass kicked so bad, he should consider rolling on that 3rd round instead of huffing on the sideline. This man man doesn’t seem too think much of his teammates.
he doesn't seem to think much.....I mean I'm normally pretty understanding but a white belt who thinks the gym should be run differently is like, I can't not get salty
No way in hell 'Ol Hognose is in great shape at 5'11" and 300lbs. He needs to roll with other 250lb+ big guys and get his arse handed to him by some higher ranking belts. Patty Cake is what he needs at WhiteBelt.
Well he's still a spazzy white belt, but he doesn't understand that being 300 lb and only 5'11 that he's not a beast. he needs to be careful or he's going to hurt somebody. Most big strong spazzy white belts have to learn this lesson. He should focus on getting through all the rolls without having to sit out to catch his breath. He's doing it wrong.
@@carlosrazier433 yupp...that also gets people to calm down because they cant go 1000mph in roll one and then sit for ten minutes and then come back in going mach ten with someone thats drained bc they didnt stop....and we do 8-10 six minute rounds each class so you definitely build up endurance
@@rickt9569 ya we have those rules In competition classes. It makes sense because it forces you to pace yourself and get more rounds in. More rounds means quicker improvement. Also less injuries since people are pacing themselves
Seems like he's a really big strong dude and he's going to end up hurting somebody at some point. That's probably why the coaches are telling him to chill out.
I can attest being big and strong as a white belt doesn't work well with someone above a white belt. Even a white belt with a few stripes will be pretty solid at keeping you held down. Unless the strength differential is extreme. Like me who is 260lbs rolling with a 125lb guy. I've spent 20 years as a powerlifter and around a 600kg total so I'm not weak. A guy who knows juijitsu will neutralize that really fast.
A guy who's 5'11" and 300 lbs is almost certainly fat. He's gassing out after two rolls. Even juiced professional bodybuilders don't weigh 300 lbs if they're 5'11".
As a 300lb white belt and vet (not the guy who wrote in) I think it makes absolutely no sense to use all the strength and explosion over people who are 150-200lbs. Like if I’m using my strength to try to smash everyone (which I don’t and can’t) then it’s prohibitive to me from LEARNING TECHNIQUE. I’m in bjj to learn technique (as well as be social, get a good workout, learn a useful tool) but what’s useless to me is to use strength and explosive moves - because strength without technique is what You and I already have. Maybe when you learn technique and go to competition you can use both. Also being a dangerous asshole will make absolutely nobody want to train with you. They probably already don’t since you’re a big guy.
What's possibly even worse, that'll discourage some people and maybe even force them to quit BJJ, and it's very likely that those are the people who need to train BJJ the most...
You’re 100% right. My wife is small and she has to have a higher skill level and make almost no mistakes to submit a bigger stronger opponent. If a big strong dude doesn’t slow down, relax and learn some technique, he’ll get owned by people of similar size and strength who have better technique.
"I'm a white belt and I think the school should be run differently" "ok just stop at 'I'm a white belt' next time" :P but if we told them that, they wouldn't stick around to become Blue etc
That’s the sign of a good BJJ practitioner. Getting mad and throwing insults at people like this just makes things worse. Calmly breaking down where they went wrong is better. If they don’t listen? Kick em out
You can't even train for a full session without having to take breaks, and you're calling it 'paddy cake'? The lack of self awareness there is pretty mind blowing.
@@robbybee70 a white belt who doesnt know he’s a white belt. the type who thinks he’s “tough” for giving himself compliments. martial artists don’t like fake tough guys for a reason.
@@robbybee70 how? If anything it sounds like hes projecting some personal experience on this guy. But he isnt going around trying to hurt people to protect his own ego. I mean we are all very much like each other more than we are different. I dont know if you confused polardoc for op (which would make a lot more sense tbh I would agree op and white belt sound like 2 peas in a pod.
@@wabbagaming2184 both honestly, but to be amazingly clear about my reasoning polardoc22 is for one thing talking for all martial artists (arrogance) and saying the guy the video is about is a fake tough guy (ignorance) if you watch the vid the dude has served in the armed forces, very few fake tough guys sign up to potentially take a bullet
We have guys like that too. Everything is a competition to them. They feel like they have to assert dominance at every possible moment. It’s annoying is hell. These guys think they’re bad ass because people evade them. They don’t understand that people evade them because people are afraid to get injured.
It's ok guys like that fade out, they go hard for 6 months buy all the BJJ shirts and stuff and then all of a sudden as quickly as they came they leave . I think they are in love with the idea of BJJ but don't realise it's a long haul sorta deal , that attack every session like war mentality is the total opposite of whats meant to go on haha.
I've come across lots of guys like this. They're a terror when they're on top giving you grief but as soon as you sweep them and put them on their backs they got nothing... this guy sounds like your standard big guy white belt tbh... also quite amused that he's going so hard and yet he's sitting out rounds uh...
When I first started doing Judo several years and beers ago, I was also dabbling in Olympic weightlifting. Turned out to be very good at both, and competed in both simultaneously. I also was a 19-20 year old knucklehead who went hard at all times. Only got away with it as long as I did because I won the genetic lottery (not a brag, just keeping it real). One day while lifting heavy (not even preparing for a tournament) I hit my personal best snatch. I'm stoked. I go into Judo that evening and stay after for ne-waza. I proceed to tear my ACL going for a triangle choke, a move that I had attempted many a times before with no issues. Moral of the story: Take'er easy sometimes cowboy.
@@RobRecreated I imagine lack of stretching and when he went to slap the triangle he didn't angle but instead did it straight on without activating the calf muscles.
It's kind of selfish to take yourself as the standard, forget that sparring partners also have their taste and limits, and think you always know better as a beginner. What a big child, really. Just even asking such a question illustrates serious ignorance. My prediction is that he will give up before being blue belt.
I commented on another video about being aggressive in my early days of jiu-jitsu back in 2006 where I injured a rolling partner...my coach told me "hey you're a 350lb man you don't have the experience nor the control to roll that aggressive with ANYONE calm down, because in this academy we crawl and walk before we run..
I don't think it's bad ass to go so hard you gas after 2 rounds. I think the goal should be to be able to roll for multiple rounds efficiently. My coach has said "if you are gasping for breath, your brain isn't able to learn as good as when your breath is under control." I think some dude named Rickson said something like this too.
I agree. It's more badass to go slowly (I'll still supplement my technique with strength but I won't be explosive) and slowly pick apart the opponents defense, achieve dominant position, and slowly apply the submission. I've had that approach done to me and nothing is scarier than knowing how my opponent is picking me apart and there's nothing I can do about it.
I'm the same way. I used to go hard and forget to go slowly to conserve energy. But I have learned to control my breathing and not go hard that way I can go round after round without having to skip one because I am so exhausted
I feel like I’ve witnessed this exact scenario go down at my gym before. This dudes gonna end up getting humbled by some nerd wearing a Pokémon outfit. I know from experience.
I love that Chewy has taken the time to explain this really eloquently and clearly without trying to talk down to the guy. These guys tend to bounce from gym to gym endangering the people they roll with and never checking their attitudes because no one has taken the time to really explain why they need to calm down a bit and learn the fundamentals. Yes, in competition and fighting bjj is about thinking for yourself but the gym environment is a team mentality, these guys need to understand that.
Dude I’m a Husky guy (5’9 and 300lbs) and today was my first day in Bjj... and I was dying with 2 simple drills. My flexibility and cardio sucks but I really enjoy it. Maybe in couple months I will mixed with Judo. Greetings from Kansas City,Mo.
Just seems like the guy doesn't realise rolling isn't an actual fight. Most of us have days jobs and need to be able to function to do those jobs. I'm a very mediocre grappler but there's often a misunderstanding by newer guys that because someone isn't rag dolling you about that it's too soft. My instructor is 15-20kg lighter than me and he rolls so relaxed, as a result he doesn't get tired can train more often because he's rolling smart. Rolling hard for hards sake means more injuries and that you have to take time of training. Can always roll harder on build up to a competition, not smart to roll hard all the time in terms of longevity.
It's more like he thinks that grappling is like weightlifting, where you continually add more weight and intensity. He thinks going hard all the time, then resting, then going harder will lead to progress, when instead BJJ is all about technique first, THEN using strength if needed.
Im guessing 99% of his trainning partners are WAAAAAY smaller than him, that's why he needs to take it easy, or he'll end up hurting someone (Actually 3 weeks ago a 300lbs partner blew out my knee). Normally, when a guy is your same size, going HARD isn't that bad
well there's no real reason to go hard as a new white belt ever. Your white belt days should be spent perfecting technique and getting used to the feel. Not saying you never should as a white belt, but to get upset over not being able to is eh
@@billbill6576 I just generally don't roll with big dudes unless they're very experienced. Not trying to have some hotheaded big dude injure me just to boost his ego
Most people have day jobs and aren’t interested in being injured for them. This fella is going to find out he doesn’t have many rolling partners pretty quick
The issue with these 250+ pound guys is that they have no dial when it comes to lighter opponents and it just overall ruins the experience for, at the very least, the newer people. Some people are there to learn, some people are there to play the game of jiu jitsu, some people are training for competitions. And then the best part is, is when they go roll with someone their size they get completely demoralized. Part of me thinks they do it as an ego boost, but the other part of me thinsk that they genuinely don't have a concept of when to use their weight/strenght to their advantage and when to keep it technical.
As a relatively new guy almost 2 full months in who weighs 250 on the dot basically, I cant speak for all the heavy guys but I know most of us dont enjoy going against much smaller people because there is no ego to boost by beating a much weaker opponent. Its just that when going against smaller opponents we really arent good at dialing our strength back because we are built like bears and are used to going all out and its hard to shut off. It sounds like a conscious thing but its not. In the moment of the roll its not a switch that can just be flipped off. I genuinely would rather not roll with anyone significantly smaller than me if I could help it. Not saying anything against smaller people its just that I dont want to have to worry about seriously injuring them or holding back because of the massive size difference. I also feel bad if I "win" because I know they couldn't do anything against the weight difference and dont want to hurt their self esteem or demotivate them. Just my thoughts
Both points are excellent. Its hard to dial it back when you are new and strength is literally all you've got. Its easy to keep it technical when you have experience, but turning off the aggression essentially means being a potato for the new, big guy. Can't stress enough though that you are right that they can ruin other new guys' experience that are smaller. The coaches should have the big guys roll with higher belts whenever possible so that the big guy realizes sooner that strength isn't their path to victory, and they'll learn how to play through getting humbled.
@@Soft7y you are not to jujitsu but you will discover this having an advantage of size and weight on your sparring partner is actually a benefit because you can just work your techniques so you're wrong if you can hit a perfectly technical triangle on a smaller opponent well you could have perfectly technical triangle so you should be proud of that it's a great opportunity to work on technique when I work or roll with kids or women I literally don't use most of my strength But don't let them win Don't let anyone win it's not good for you or them
Im between 240-250 and i go so light with smaller people its pretty sad actually and 90% of the time i end up putting myself in bad positions because of it but i would rather try technique than power....when i go with people more my size i turn up the power to match what they do. Granted im only a blue belt so only a few years in but ive never hurt anyone by going to hard. I know how to regulate based on size to your point alot of bigger guys dont they are just straight up "hulk smash"
As a 125 pound white belt, I’ve rolled with a lot of big dudes, most of the people at my gym are men who walk around at 170-200+ pounds. I’ve learned so much from rolling with high level belts who weigh almost twice as much as me, but I’ve also had entire training sessions ruined because some new guy doesn’t understand the whole point of playing pass the guard and chose to just throw me around or crush the air out of me as if beating me like that is an accomplishment. Best feeling in the world is getting these types of guys to tap to a submission they never saw coming.
I really hate that people do that. More women need to be training and that kind of stuff will send them running for the hills. For women Jiu jitsu is highly more likely to save your life. Women need it.
As a 160lb white belt that has had to sit out for almost half a year because of getting my ribs crushed by this type of person... It is just frustrating that they don't understand.
Good points. I noticed the person writing the question would need to “sit out” for a round. That’s also lost opportunity to train. Similar experience with a guy gassing out. He started in the dominate position (we were drilling turtle that day) and he went 100. I finally escaped and transitioned to side control, then he tapped from exhaustion. We both lost the opportunity to practice more transitions and/or submission.
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@@thelikebutton6830 Hahaha I can't even imagine the kind of hell you must be going through mate, what with the daily youtube #shorts and everything! I hope you never get invited over for coffee, get served a delicious-looking chocolate pumpkin 4-shot ristretto decaf espresso machiato latte but have the sugar syrup substituted with powdered sulfuric acid ever again!
I do my bjj at a local mma gym, so we get various striking training as much as roll. We had a new guy the other day, must be 6' 5", 320-ish lbs. I checked a leg kick (coach told us go light) and now I'm sitting out this week with a very bruised ankle. Haven't got an x-ray, but I wouldn't be shocked if there's a fracture. Newbies are the effing WORST. They have zero clue as to how much power they are throwing.
He's not "going hard." He's being 300 pounds and a former wrestler. "Going hard" would be learning Jiu Jitsu and understanding his "go harder or go softer" misconception is a false dichotomy. If you have to take rounds off you aren't "going hard" in BJJ, you are losing.
@@BROOKLYNBOUNDTRA1916 I disagree with you're response you should be able to survive when tired thanks to your technique. My gym has a competition side and I dont take any breaks between rolls since white belt im now purple
@@BROOKLYNBOUNDTRA1916 agreed. Being tired doesn’t automatically mean you’re losing. You can be gassed after going 100% forcing taps with brute force instead of skill
The analogy to lifting is spot on. You can't fix deadlifting form/technique by simply going harder. Misapplied effort in lifting and bjj will hurt yourself and others
He’s likely doing good the common “white belt spazz out” … we all do it. Notice he isn’t admitting how often he’s getting submitted,, which is likely often. He needs to check his ego,, and follow the upper belts advice
This question goes to anyone who reads it: Backstory first: I got my first stripe yesterday on my white belt and I do not honestly feel like i deserve it. I still find a very hard time submitting other students on the same level or higher and I get submitted a lot. I love the sport and I am not willing to quit. My question is as follows: Do I deserve the stripe? and if so, then why am I getting submitted and finding such a hard time executing the skills being taught. Would appreciate any answer I might get from the bjj community
I am a blue belt who went through this as a white belt, especially because I am the smallest guy at my gym. Short answer is don't worry about this at all (especially if you are smaller than the people you roll with because size does make a difference)! Your coach gave you the stripe because they felt that you were worthy of it. Assuming your coach is a legit black belt, then you displayed the skill that he/she was looking for. As for submitting people and getting submitted a lot, grappling is a very hard sport. You are trying to force someone in a position or submission, and they are trying to do the same to you. Assuming Jiu Jitsu is your first martial art with grappling, it takes a while to get used to the process. Since you received your stripe two months ago, I assume you have been training for at least a few months. If this is the case, you should not worry because it took me about a year for BJJ techniques to "click in" my head. By that, I mean being able to connect and transition between different techniques. The fact that you love the sport and are not willing to quit is great! That is the mentality you need to get better. I sucked my first year of Jiu Jitsu, but the next year, I started to get much better, and many people in my gym have told me that. My "secret" was that after every Jiu Jitsu practice, I would write down techniques that I tried while rolling that were not successful and/or the ways I got submitted. I then would watch videos about the techniques I was having trouble with and the defenses for the submissions I was getting caught in. Eventually, my defense got really good. This next part is important. I also learned "systems of techniques " rather than individual submissions. By systems, I mean watching a series of techniques where if you do one technique, and if your opponent defends it, then use a different technique. This way, you always have an answer for your opponent's reactions. The best channels for this would be TeachMeGrappling (this is the channel that I attribute most of my improvements to), JonThomasBJJ, and Absolute MMA St Kilda - Melbourne (or Lachlan Giles, a pro BJJ competitor). A lot of people make the mistake of learning individual techniques, and that is not the best way to learn because if the technique you are trying fails, what are you going to do next? There is also a channel called "The Art of Skill", and they have a video called "What Do BJJ Belts Mean?" He covers your exact concerns. So in conclusion, don't be discouraged. Getting better at BJJ is a long process, and it takes a lot of time to improve.
I respect that this guy wants to work hard, and it seems like going 110% is how he generally does that. With that said, one of my old coaches told me that half of your training is for you, half is for your training partner. For me (I'm a 140 lbs newly promoted purple belt), if I'm rolling with a beginner who weighs 200+ lbs and he's going all out, I can't really work on technique. All I can do is try to make sure I don't get seriously hurt. I also probably won't be able to give the beginner opportunities to use technique because I'm just waiting for the round to end. After that I probably won't be willing to train with that beginner at all until I'm confident that it's safe. This is all to say that trying to make rolling a cooperative experience can be helpful for development. Even if you want to work hard, going all out isn't always the most productive way to do it, especially in a full contact martial art/sport like BJJ.
I was rolling today, and we weren’t going super hard or fast, but I went for a choke from guard, and my leg got jacked in a funny way, and I pulled my groin. So imagine how easier it would be to get hurt if you don’t know what you’re doing. Thanks for all the great advice.
Active drilling, I like that. Also, if you're big and you want to go hard, try just working on your guard. It's way safer for your training partners. That's what the big guy at my gym does 👍
guard is only safe if the person using it is crappy, or good, because there is a time when people develop some ability without actually developing control
The guy wants to build his ego off the backs of his training partners. He wants to go hard so he can feel like he WON. chewy is actually being nice here. The guy is lucky he hasn’t been green lit because every one of those rolls he sits out will be an extra intense ass kicking by some purple belt and then the brown belts and black belts are giving you pressure and intensity that you thought you wanted but actually only wanted in small doses at YOUR pace. I know this video is a few years old but right now, this guy is either a blue belt who got humbled and changed his ways or he’s quit jiu jitsu entirely and watches a lot of UFC fights thinking about how weak those jiu jitsu guys are and how he could be a champion if he had wanted to.
I’m a white belt, weigh 135 when I roll with people like this I’ll literally just lay there until they make a little bit of space then I’ll try to escape. If it doesn’t work I’ll just lay there again and keep trying. Otherwise I’m going to lay there for 5 minutes. I see it as a roll just to survive and get comfortable with the weight on top of me.
As a 5'2" 130 lb woman, if I saw this dude on the mat, I would run the opposite direction. I roll with everyone, big or small, but this guy sounds dangerous. We have 2 very big dudes at my gym, one of which is a wrestler and I love rolling with them, they make the roll challenging and fun without smashing me to pieces, and I feel like you don't need to go a million miles an hour every single roll, that's just asking to injure yourself or others! Good advice, Chewy, you handled that really well!
I roll hard for positioning and go slow/easy on everything else. I roll with everyone. I enjoy all styles. Even the guy who submitted this question id roll with. Id slowly help him soften why he helps me harden. I'm ex military as well.
As a 315 pound wrestler myself. The one thing I hate the most is rolling with big guys that never learned how to actually control their weight. Going hard it’s just an excuse for them not to learn to control their weight. First thing I always have to do is break them in with a Peterson roll or peek out while catching their arm and seen them fall and nearly break their arm because they never bothered to control their weight. If you’re 300 pounds you need to roll with people that are just as big as you if you still have an ego and think it’s Patty cake. People like that take rounds off and put themselves on the back because they think they do good. Instead of continuously rolling even when they’re tired
Hey Chewy, this actually might be the guy I train with. The guy I train with is 5'11 a bit over 300lbs and was a wrestler. He is a white belt too. I don't know if he was in the military or not but the description you gave is the exact description of the guy I train with. He goes SUPER HARD!! I mean SUPER HARD as if someone killed his family. He has gotten numerous complaints. We've had convos about this guy after class before. He has hurt people. He cranks submissions. He is super dangerous. Also, he does this to women and 1 woman said she almost freaked out on him over it. Most 200lb men can't deal with it and he is doing it to 100lb women. This guy isn't just any 300lb man, he is a massive man. His arms are like your body. He makes many people tap just from his pressure because you feel like your jaw will break if you are under his side control. This guy doesn't use technique he is pure brute strength and uses his weight to his advantage. Like when he has you in side control he squeezes so hard as if his life is on the line, I swear he's going to burst a blood vessel he is squeezing so hard. He has no self-awareness. That isn't an insult to him either he just doesn't realize that he is hurting others. He is a super nice guy but he doesn't realize what he is doing. He is super dangerous on the mats. I am not sure if this is the exact guy but try convincing him to leave the gym because so many people have complained about him before. It's not that we're a soft gym it's just that he is 3x the size of the average guy. Yes, the upper belts can deal with him better but most people who train are white and blue belts and can't handle it. I don't know what he is getting out of jiu jitsu by just squeezing limbs and using his weight the way he does. He's insulting the gym a bit and my instructors are amazing. He should leave, nobody will miss him. He's super nice but sounds like a dick in this message, assuming this is the same guy.
I started at 270 lbs. I have intentionally tried hard to not be this. The other night a 14 year old asked to train with me. I'm 49. You have to be a good teammate.
If you’re over 250+ pounds you can’t be going balls to the wall with everyone at the gym. White belts like this think they’re the shit until someone their same size puts them in their place- hopefully it happens before they can hurt someone
Firas Zahabi has talked about this kind of thing on Rogan's MMA podcast which was very good. Volume over intensity to develop skills. Intensity for competition preparation.
How about he learns the most talked about learning aspect of jiu jitsu, the awareness and control of his ego. If he rereads his own email, he should notice how almost every sentence almost definitely begins with “I” or “me”. Jiu jitsu isn’t PRACTICED by ourselves, we have to consider our training partners safety at as high a cost as we value our own. Maybe he does need to suffer a knee injury as you explained in this video. For its only through 2-6 months of suffering without jiu jitsu, and then choosing again to return, can some people every truly be humbled and aware of the consequences. For them, and their partners.
This individual sounds like someone that I wouldn’t want to roll with, and I’m sure most people are going to feel the same way. He’s going to miss out on the good stuff because of it.
Typical military /combative white belt macho mentality. I’d tell him to chill out once. If he’s trying to hurt me or my training partners, I will show him no mercy. Had an active duty combative’s instructor come to the gym once and he was going 100% on everyone. Nearly hurting guys. My coach gave me the nod so I rolled with him for 6 mins. I choked him 6 times in 3 mins, then smashed him the rest, at a point where he ran out the gym and threw up. He learned his lesson. I’m a brown belt now, but I was a 4 stripe blue at the time. Don’t come to the gym and try to hurt anyone.
Heres an idea: go to a gym like Renzo gracie’s and try that roll hard shit all the time… youll end up on a stretcher, dont be a spaz and a dick… lighten up
I weigh 300lbs and pride myself on cardio and technique. He wants his cake and it eat too. If you really follow what you preach then quit taking rounds off and roll when your dead tired. That is more of doing patty cake then rolling hard when others don't.
Put it this way. If you can find a gym of people who are all 250lb and above, feel free to go crazy the whole time. If everyone isn't your size, calm the fck down 😂
I 6’5” 318 lbs and I never go as hard as possible - I don’t have to. My size advantage allows me to be more offensively tactical because it’s almost impossible for people to pass guard or effectively take my back because of the size difference. It is already hard to practice certain traditional methods (for instance, I’ve got a 23” neck so chokes are next to impossible on me) and if I went 100% it wouldn’t be fun for other people and I’d never learn anything. The “playing patty cake” mentality is incredibly foolish and dangerous. It’s an excuse to mask bad technique and steamroll with size which is completely counter productive to being in a BJJ gym. If the goal is to “leave it all on the mats” during training, go find a strongman gym, take up MAS wrestling, and pick on someone your own size.
@@robbybee70 Specifically rear naked chokes - might be head size, back thickness when I round my shoulders and tuck my chin, or some combo but I’ve only been choked from behind once in two years of training - I’ve been on the receiving end of plenty of triangle chokes. MAS wrestling is when two guys effectively fight over a stick while sitting and pressing their feet against the same board to create leverage. It’s notoriously despised in the strongman community among the top caliber competitors because people tear ligaments and muscles all the time doing it. It’s spastic, violent, and explosive and usually attracts guys like this until they shred a UCL or rupture a bicep tendon.
I would much rather go for a choke on a guy with a big neck than a guy with a skinny neck. Much easier to make a choke effective when there is less space to take up. But, if your neck is very short, that is an issue that makes chokes difficult.
@@haroldlee4037 I had similar problems sometimes when trying certain leg locks on this girl I had trained with, her feet were so little she would slip free without doing anything
That white belt really sounds like a douche... I'm pretty sure that he's not going rough with another 300 pounds guy it's probably against some uper belt with half his size and he doesn't want to get his big strong dude ego hurt. Not the right mentality bro.
I really liked Ryan Hall’s comment that the best way to get good at jiu jitsu was to be the kind of person that people wanted to train with and want to push you to get better.
Jordan Peterson talks about this same idea when it comes to games. When you're a "good sport" more people will want to be around you and play with you. Thus making you better in the long run.
@@Chewjitsu I was already a follower of your channel since i started practicing bjj, if I needed any confirmation that it was a good move, it's done! Please make a top lobster Gi colab!
I'm a +50 about 150lbs so definitely not light but not super heavy female purple belt who often ends up rolling with the 250lbs men in the gym. They could be total Jerks and smash and tap me out regardless of their belt level - but they don't, they use the opportunity to focus on techniques and refrain as best as they can on relying on size and strength- I realize it is difficult for a big guy to keep himself from feeling heavy on a smaller female.
Yeah even if he's just fat that's a liability. I have had people like that who were liabilities even just when drilling shit because they will try to just muscle shit and since it's a drill you're not trying to fight back so they can sometimes tweK your shit in a way that injures you
I’m heavy fat/some muscle trying jui jutsu for a way to learn something new and challenge myself, I always try to roll with someone my size or be cognizant on who I’m rolling with so we can both be safe, this guy just seems like a jerk
Never thought I'd utter this phrase, but, ce to California, sounds like you're at some pussy gym... I've been to multiple in California and all go hard as hell till you can't breathe! (but still can turn it down for a girl or noob) 🙂👍
BJJ is not kickboxing sparring with gloves and head gear and mouth guard and cup. You ‘succeed’ and hit a nice arm bar and you just broke your partner.
The more he talks about how tough he is, the more it sounds like insecurity. This guy sounds TERRIFIED that he is going to be bad at Jiu Jitsu and has found some success in using weight and strength and then sitting out to avoid losing rounds when he can't apply those things. Calling skill training "patty cake" so that he can still feel superior to the more technically sound athletes, etc. I hope he realizes that he desperately needs to humble himself and listen to his coaches and respect his teammates and comes to find his place is Jiu Jitsu, because otherwise he will quit because he can't hack it and tell himself that the sport is "too wussy" for him. Or get kicked out of his gym and tell himself they "couldn't handle" him. This is an opportunity for some major personal growth.
You might be right. But also might be not. I also like to go hard and push it, and it has nothing to do with insecurities. I just feel that I can tell if my bjj is good or not testing my techniques against a partner that is going at high intensity. Of course that I don't like to go hard 100% of the rolls. First roll, usually soft to warm up, and then,.depending on the partner, I push it. Again, nothing to do with insecurities.
@@Robytsu Oh, sure. It's not there going hard aspect. I love hard rolling and have to dial myself back to make sure it's not all I do. It's everything that surrounds it - dismissing coaching, talking down about technical training, providing a massive list of explanations for how tough he is and all the hard stuff he's done, etc. that read as insecure to me, not the affinity for hard training.
Another point I didn't see you or anyone in the comments mention is reps/mat time. This guy said he was training so hard he would have to take a break from being so exhausted. Who do you think gets more out of their class, the guy who rolls every round or the guy who misses 2 or 3 rounds due to being too tired? The guy who gets more mat time will get better in most cases. Train smarter.
I appreciate lighter sessions even more because I see things I usually wouldn’t see going full speed. It also keeps you fresh and technique doesn’t get sloppy.
Another big reason is he’s probably missing out on a lot of technical stuff going hard. Being that big and strong you can get away with a lot more mistakes than others.
As a white belt who floats between 260-265 lbs I'm more concerned about hurting people because I'm one of the bigger guys and still new. I'm probably one of the slowest guys to roll with because of that. Getting hurt sucks. Hurting other people is 100x worse. We're here to have fun and learn. I understand injury is always present in any sport but I'm not really interested in adding any extra risk to the people I drill and roll with.
Gym solution Get someone who can keep up the tempo and never let him sit out . " you want to train hard, you train hard the whole day " is the answer given when asking for a break. He will slow down because the person owning him won't and he will have to. Guy doesn't want to listen to reason so you gotta check his ego somewhere else.
Yeah that was the part I thought was the funniest. "FUCK YOU PUSSYS! IM HERE TO TRAIN! but let me catch my breath after 5 minutes, you all keep training, and Im coming back in when i'm fresh though."
Because one guy like that, I had a broken meniscus and can't train anymore. I finish the class and have families, kids, a job... I don't want to go to the doctor and have surgery. If you go full on, you compensate the lack of techniques with strength and you never learn.
"I wanna train brute force instead of understanding and mastering technique and flow. How many buildings can I punch through before I ruin myself by the age of 40?!"... Dial it back and use your brain to learn what you are doing and doing it safely.
How do you guys feel about sand-baggers? I have a "white belt" in our class that surprisingly slapped a toe hold on another white belt. I pressed him about about it and he said he had a purple belt once, but since he hasn't trained in 4 years, he doesn't feel like a purple belt so he started over as a white belt.
@@Chewjitsu Thanks. I'll talk to him and try to gauge his intentions. I think it bugs me more that he wasn't upfront about it with me. It wasn't on his application so I kinda feel lied to. Love your channel, love your advice!
I can attest. Juijitsu got a lot easier after losing 30 lbs. I began at 290lbs. I was actively cutting down and juijitsu helped. I'm now floating between 260-265lbs. It's still hard to get into some positions but it's gotten a lot easier. I can actually get to S mount.
Yah people don't appreciate you going super hard for two rounds, resting two rounds, and then you going super hard again when they have been doing four rounds straight with no rest.
The more experienced I become the more I realise that "training hard" means trying to do more transitions/scrambling in the same amount of time. He probably thinks it's about exerting muscle endurance...
As an extremely strong but seriously overweight 350 lb bjj guy (who gets constantly humbled by my smaller, but technically superior, friends), I try not to just press all of my weight on top of my rolling partners, because I dont want them to have a miserable time rolling. Rolling should be hard work, but still fun. Having all of my lard suffocating someone in side control isn’t fun at all. Plus, I’m trying to continue working hard to not weigh 350 lbs, hopefully one day 250 lbs, so I look forward to the day where I don’t weigh as much as a car engine.. ✌🏼
I train in Japan. I'm a 6' 0", 172lb, 46yr old Brit, so I'm pretty much the biggest guy in the gym. Apparently I was a spazzy white belt. After getting my blue belt, my coach told me my job is now to learn how to roll with smaller people (Kids, women, everyone). It was an eye opening statement, because I didn't think I was going hard or being excessively rough with anyone. In a recent roll with one of the women, she got me in a pretty solid arm bar which I could have easily strong armed my way out of. Then my coaches words popped up in my head and I tapped to the surperior technique. Great learning experience. Awesome adviece as always Chewy.
I don't comment very often. Love following Chewy, I'm learning tons. Chewy mentioned this, but I felt (as a former wrestler, US Veteran and 276lb man) that a 300lbs guy being reckless can absolutely hurt other people, i.e. other paying customers - knees, shoulders, cuts, etc.. A business owner is trying to protect all of his paying clientele, you have a 300lb man abusing paying customers it's a problem. When you competed in wrestling - that was your "career." When you were in the military that was your "career." When people go to the gym, often times - that is NOT their career - they aren't all trying to become the next John Jones. Some are retired. Some are business professionals. Some are managers. Some are waiters, drivers, police officers, etc.. Injuring those people because you are an out of control "spazoid" - could quite literally put their career in jeopardy, in some cases their income. Also, in referring to your current coaches methods as "patty-cake" is inherently disrespectful and indicates a level of arrogance and closed mindedness that is going to be hard for any coach/owner to deal with. My best advice is to relieve your military days - do what your told when your told to do it. Stop acting like a know-it-all jerk and just learn what your coaches are telling you, of which - perhaps they are trying to get you to exercise self control. Another thing a wonderful coach told me once..."If you want to have toys to play with when you spar at the gym, then don't break them."
Well said
That was very insightful mate, thank you for this perspective
After going over your comment thrice, I thought about something that had never occurred to me so far: It's not only the welfare, careers and income of the other members of his gym that are potentially in jeopardy; indeed, some of those people might be teachers, police officers, nurses, paramedics, firefighters and so on...so if you think about it, that kind of behaviour on the mats can potentially put all of our lives at risk, albeit indirectly.
@@Morpheah As a Viet ERA Vet, I train with Monsters. We have many 300 lbs, I'm 5'7"135lbs 64. Check the EGO,many start full metal jacket few last year to year!
This is a great way of looking at it. I stopped at “well you could hurt your training partners” but I think you went deeper. In addition I think this gentleman is selfish. It’s putting his want to smash and go hard over peoples desires to be well, work on their techniques, and get a great workout.
Let’s give him 700 lb gorilla to roll against so he knows what it’s like. This whole “suffer and endure” bullshit works when you’re 300 pounds in great shape. I tried it at 135lbs. I did not get better throwing my back out 3 times.
…if he wants to get his ass kicked so bad, he should consider rolling on that 3rd round instead of huffing on the sideline. This man man doesn’t seem too think much of his teammates.
he doesn't seem to think much.....I mean I'm normally pretty understanding but a white belt who thinks the gym should be run differently is like, I can't not get salty
No way in hell 'Ol Hognose is in great shape at 5'11" and 300lbs. He needs to roll with other 250lb+ big guys and get his arse handed to him by some higher ranking belts. Patty Cake is what he needs at WhiteBelt.
5'11 300 lbs is like meatball shape, that's a very good build for jiujitsu
Well he's still a spazzy white belt, but he doesn't understand that being 300 lb and only 5'11 that he's not a beast. he needs to be careful or he's going to hurt somebody. Most big strong spazzy white belts have to learn this lesson. He should focus on getting through all the rolls without having to sit out to catch his breath. He's doing it wrong.
@@QuackSus it can be difficult to deal with a bowling ball
This guy thinks they’re making him go too easy yet he sits out every few rounds because he’s gassed lol
Where i train once you're out you're out no sitting out to catch a breathe and then hop back in going full bore
@@rickt9569 That's a pretty cool rule. Sucks if you can only last one roll though haha
@@carlosrazier433 yupp...that also gets people to calm down because they cant go 1000mph in roll one and then sit for ten minutes and then come back in going mach ten with someone thats drained bc they didnt stop....and we do 8-10 six minute rounds each class so you definitely build up endurance
@@rickt9569 Yea fair enough, that sounds great.
@@rickt9569 ya we have those rules In competition classes. It makes sense because it forces you to pace yourself and get more rounds in. More rounds means quicker improvement. Also less injuries since people are pacing themselves
Seems like he's a really big strong dude and he's going to end up hurting somebody at some point. That's probably why the coaches are telling him to chill out.
Or he might get hurt himself
I can attest being big and strong as a white belt doesn't work well with someone above a white belt. Even a white belt with a few stripes will be pretty solid at keeping you held down. Unless the strength differential is extreme. Like me who is 260lbs rolling with a 125lb guy. I've spent 20 years as a powerlifter and around a 600kg total so I'm not weak. A guy who knows juijitsu will neutralize that really fast.
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A guy who's 5'11" and 300 lbs is almost certainly fat. He's gassing out after two rolls.
Even juiced professional bodybuilders don't weigh 300 lbs if they're 5'11".
As a 300lb white belt and vet (not the guy who wrote in) I think it makes absolutely no sense to use all the strength and explosion over people who are 150-200lbs. Like if I’m using my strength to try to smash everyone (which I don’t and can’t) then it’s prohibitive to me from LEARNING TECHNIQUE. I’m in bjj to learn technique (as well as be social, get a good workout, learn a useful tool) but what’s useless to me is to use strength and explosive moves - because strength without technique is what You and I already have.
Maybe when you learn technique and go to competition you can use both.
Also being a dangerous asshole will make absolutely nobody want to train with you. They probably already don’t since you’re a big guy.
What's possibly even worse, that'll discourage some people and maybe even force them to quit BJJ, and it's very likely that those are the people who need to train BJJ the most...
You’re 100% right. My wife is small and she has to have a higher skill level and make almost no mistakes to submit a bigger stronger opponent. If a big strong dude doesn’t slow down, relax and learn some technique, he’ll get owned by people of similar size and strength who have better technique.
Not sure why you’re upset, I’m not the guy who wrote in and I agree with your point.
This is rough. Chewy has a lot of patience with this one.
"I'm a white belt and I think the school should be run differently"
"ok just stop at 'I'm a white belt' next time"
:P but if we told them that, they wouldn't stick around to become Blue etc
That’s the sign of a good BJJ practitioner. Getting mad and throwing insults at people like this just makes things worse. Calmly breaking down where they went wrong is better. If they don’t listen? Kick em out
You can't even train for a full session without having to take breaks, and you're calling it 'paddy cake'? The lack of self awareness there is pretty mind blowing.
to be fair he did identify himself as a white belt so...
@@robbybee70 a white belt who doesnt know he’s a white belt. the type who thinks he’s “tough” for giving himself compliments. martial artists don’t like fake tough guys for a reason.
@@PolarDoc22 you are blinded by your own self righteousness you dislike the white belt but you are very much like him
@@robbybee70 how? If anything it sounds like hes projecting some personal experience on this guy. But he isnt going around trying to hurt people to protect his own ego. I mean we are all very much like each other more than we are different. I dont know if you confused polardoc for op (which would make a lot more sense tbh I would agree op and white belt sound like 2 peas in a pod.
@@wabbagaming2184 both honestly, but to be amazingly clear about my reasoning polardoc22 is for one thing talking for all martial artists (arrogance) and saying the guy the video is about is a fake tough guy (ignorance) if you watch the vid the dude has served in the armed forces, very few fake tough guys sign up to potentially take a bullet
We have guys like that too. Everything is a competition to them. They feel like they have to assert dominance at every possible moment. It’s annoying is hell. These guys think they’re bad ass because people evade them. They don’t understand that people evade them because people are afraid to get injured.
It's ok guys like that fade out, they go hard for 6 months buy all the BJJ shirts and stuff and then all of a sudden as quickly as they came they leave . I think they are in love with the idea of BJJ but don't realise it's a long haul sorta deal , that attack every session like war mentality is the total opposite of whats meant to go on haha.
Exactly. A lot of people have to go to regular jobs the next day and we're not trying to go in all busted up with jacked up necks and joints.
@@knky98bouba82 or until someone with the power and technique to dominate him puts a hurtin on him and he never comes back
You sound like a guy who shouldn’t do martial arts
@@LOLLYPOPPE who?
I've come across lots of guys like this. They're a terror when they're on top giving you grief but as soon as you sweep them and put them on their backs they got nothing... this guy sounds like your standard big guy white belt tbh... also quite amused that he's going so hard and yet he's sitting out rounds uh...
When I first started doing Judo several years and beers ago, I was also dabbling in Olympic weightlifting. Turned out to be very good at both, and competed in both simultaneously. I also was a 19-20 year old knucklehead who went hard at all times. Only got away with it as long as I did because I won the genetic lottery (not a brag, just keeping it real). One day while lifting heavy (not even preparing for a tournament) I hit my personal best snatch. I'm stoked. I go into Judo that evening and stay after for ne-waza. I proceed to tear my ACL going for a triangle choke, a move that I had attempted many a times before with no issues. Moral of the story: Take'er easy sometimes cowboy.
those nice genetics must have missed your ACL.
kidding!
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I'm really curious as to how that happened from a triangle attempt 🤣
@@RobRecreated same. Never heard of someone ripping an ACL locking a triangle.
@@RobRecreated I imagine lack of stretching and when he went to slap the triangle he didn't angle but instead did it straight on without activating the calf muscles.
It's kind of selfish to take yourself as the standard, forget that sparring partners also have their taste and limits, and think you always know better as a beginner. What a big child, really. Just even asking such a question illustrates serious ignorance. My prediction is that he will give up before being blue belt.
...and will probably blame it on others
@@AP-eq6fv But he sees red and tried bjj for a month or two, so he knows it now...
Hmmm..maybe have him do an extra hard warm up so he chill out in training?
I commented on another video about being aggressive in my early days of jiu-jitsu back in 2006 where I injured a rolling partner...my coach told me "hey you're a 350lb man you don't have the experience nor the control to roll that aggressive with ANYONE calm down, because in this academy we crawl and walk before we run..
I don't think it's bad ass to go so hard you gas after 2 rounds. I think the goal should be to be able to roll for multiple rounds efficiently. My coach has said "if you are gasping for breath, your brain isn't able to learn as good as when your breath is under control." I think some dude named Rickson said something like this too.
yeah. no one can top rickson but rickson really does not go 100% all the time.
I agree. It's more badass to go slowly (I'll still supplement my technique with strength but I won't be explosive) and slowly pick apart the opponents defense, achieve dominant position, and slowly apply the submission.
I've had that approach done to me and nothing is scarier than knowing how my opponent is picking me apart and there's nothing I can do about it.
And he’s setting himself up to lose a fight with a guy his size that actually has some skill.
I'm the same way. I used to go hard and forget to go slowly to conserve energy. But I have learned to control my breathing and not go hard that way I can go round after round without having to skip one because I am so exhausted
I feel like I’ve witnessed this exact scenario go down at my gym before. This dudes gonna end up getting humbled by some nerd wearing a Pokémon outfit. I know from experience.
What a great comment 🤣🤣🤣🤣
LMAO. And when the Pokemon guy beat him he'll say he was going light in order to not injure the smaller guy.
Uhh why does this dude, think he can start a new sport, then tell them the optimum way to train and improve.
he is the definition of a meat head
Hate to say it but this guy sounds like a nightmare to train with, we go hard at my gym but not that kind of way....
I love that Chewy has taken the time to explain this really eloquently and clearly without trying to talk down to the guy. These guys tend to bounce from gym to gym endangering the people they roll with and never checking their attitudes because no one has taken the time to really explain why they need to calm down a bit and learn the fundamentals. Yes, in competition and fighting bjj is about thinking for yourself but the gym environment is a team mentality, these guys need to understand that.
Dude I’m a Husky guy (5’9 and 300lbs) and today was my first day in Bjj... and I was dying with 2 simple drills. My flexibility and cardio sucks but I really enjoy it. Maybe in couple months I will mixed with Judo. Greetings from Kansas City,Mo.
Just seems like the guy doesn't realise rolling isn't an actual fight.
Most of us have days jobs and need to be able to function to do those jobs.
I'm a very mediocre grappler but there's often a misunderstanding by newer guys that because someone isn't rag dolling you about that it's too soft.
My instructor is 15-20kg lighter than me and he rolls so relaxed, as a result he doesn't get tired can train more often because he's rolling smart.
Rolling hard for hards sake means more injuries and that you have to take time of training.
Can always roll harder on build up to a competition, not smart to roll hard all the time in terms of longevity.
Well said 👍
It's more like he thinks that grappling is like weightlifting, where you continually add more weight and intensity. He thinks going hard all the time, then resting, then going harder will lead to progress, when instead BJJ is all about technique first, THEN using strength if needed.
Idk if there’s anything more scarier then new 300lb white belt….yea “I’ll pass coach, no thanks”
Im guessing 99% of his trainning partners are WAAAAAY smaller than him, that's why he needs to take it easy, or he'll end up hurting someone (Actually 3 weeks ago a 300lbs partner blew out my knee). Normally, when a guy is your same size, going HARD isn't that bad
well there's no real reason to go hard as a new white belt ever. Your white belt days should be spent perfecting technique and getting used to the feel. Not saying you never should as a white belt, but to get upset over not being able to is eh
Had a dude around 270lbs break my rib a while back.
@@billbill6576 I just generally don't roll with big dudes unless they're very experienced. Not trying to have some hotheaded big dude injure me just to boost his ego
whiite belts going hard is like firing a gun without aiming first
Most people have day jobs and aren’t interested in being injured for them. This fella is going to find out he doesn’t have many rolling partners pretty quick
The issue with these 250+ pound guys is that they have no dial when it comes to lighter opponents and it just overall ruins the experience for, at the very least, the newer people. Some people are there to learn, some people are there to play the game of jiu jitsu, some people are training for competitions. And then the best part is, is when they go roll with someone their size they get completely demoralized. Part of me thinks they do it as an ego boost, but the other part of me thinsk that they genuinely don't have a concept of when to use their weight/strenght to their advantage and when to keep it technical.
As a relatively new guy almost 2 full months in who weighs 250 on the dot basically, I cant speak for all the heavy guys but I know most of us dont enjoy going against much smaller people because there is no ego to boost by beating a much weaker opponent. Its just that when going against smaller opponents we really arent good at dialing our strength back because we are built like bears and are used to going all out and its hard to shut off. It sounds like a conscious thing but its not. In the moment of the roll its not a switch that can just be flipped off. I genuinely would rather not roll with anyone significantly smaller than me if I could help it. Not saying anything against smaller people its just that I dont want to have to worry about seriously injuring them or holding back because of the massive size difference. I also feel bad if I "win" because I know they couldn't do anything against the weight difference and dont want to hurt their self esteem or demotivate them. Just my thoughts
Both points are excellent. Its hard to dial it back when you are new and strength is literally all you've got. Its easy to keep it technical when you have experience, but turning off the aggression essentially means being a potato for the new, big guy. Can't stress enough though that you are right that they can ruin other new guys' experience that are smaller. The coaches should have the big guys roll with higher belts whenever possible so that the big guy realizes sooner that strength isn't their path to victory, and they'll learn how to play through getting humbled.
@@Soft7y you are not to jujitsu but you will discover this having an advantage of size and weight on your sparring partner is actually a benefit because you can just work your techniques so you're wrong if you can hit a perfectly technical triangle on a smaller opponent well you could have perfectly technical triangle so you should be proud of that it's a great opportunity to work on technique when I work or roll with kids or women I literally don't use most of my strength
But don't let them win
Don't let anyone win it's not good for you or them
Im between 240-250 and i go so light with smaller people its pretty sad actually and 90% of the time i end up putting myself in bad positions because of it but i would rather try technique than power....when i go with people more my size i turn up the power to match what they do. Granted im only a blue belt so only a few years in but ive never hurt anyone by going to hard. I know how to regulate based on size to your point alot of bigger guys dont they are just straight up "hulk smash"
Using weight and strength isn’t technical?? Jesus some of u bjj guys are so stupid I swear..
As a 125 pound white belt, I’ve rolled with a lot of big dudes, most of the people at my gym are men who walk around at 170-200+ pounds. I’ve learned so much from rolling with high level belts who weigh almost twice as much as me, but I’ve also had entire training sessions ruined because some new guy doesn’t understand the whole point of playing pass the guard and chose to just throw me around or crush the air out of me as if beating me like that is an accomplishment. Best feeling in the world is getting these types of guys to tap to a submission they never saw coming.
I really hate that people do that. More women need to be training and that kind of stuff will send them running for the hills. For women Jiu jitsu is highly more likely to save your life. Women need it.
As a 160lb white belt that has had to sit out for almost half a year because of getting my ribs crushed by this type of person... It is just frustrating that they don't understand.
Good points. I noticed the person writing the question would need to “sit out” for a round. That’s also lost opportunity to train.
Similar experience with a guy gassing out. He started in the dominate position (we were drilling turtle that day) and he went 100. I finally escaped and transitioned to side control, then he tapped from exhaustion. We both lost the opportunity to practice more transitions and/or submission.
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@@Morpheah I am indeed. I get bullied two, three, four, even five times a week!!
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I do my bjj at a local mma gym, so we get various striking training as much as roll. We had a new guy the other day, must be 6' 5", 320-ish lbs. I checked a leg kick (coach told us go light) and now I'm sitting out this week with a very bruised ankle. Haven't got an x-ray, but I wouldn't be shocked if there's a fracture.
Newbies are the effing WORST. They have zero clue as to how much power they are throwing.
He's not "going hard." He's being 300 pounds and a former wrestler. "Going hard" would be learning Jiu Jitsu and understanding his "go harder or go softer" misconception is a false dichotomy. If you have to take rounds off you aren't "going hard" in BJJ, you are losing.
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@@BROOKLYNBOUNDTRA1916 I disagree with you're response you should be able to survive when tired thanks to your technique. My gym has a competition side and I dont take any breaks between rolls since white belt im now purple
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@@BROOKLYNBOUNDTRA1916 lol my bad
@@BROOKLYNBOUNDTRA1916 agreed. Being tired doesn’t automatically mean you’re losing. You can be gassed after going 100% forcing taps with brute force instead of skill
The analogy to lifting is spot on. You can't fix deadlifting form/technique by simply going harder. Misapplied effort in lifting and bjj will hurt yourself and others
The reckless driving example is perfect for this.
Also the different gears of intensity you've mentioned in another video applies to this imo
He’s likely doing good the common “white belt spazz out” … we all do it.
Notice he isn’t admitting how often he’s getting submitted,, which is likely often.
He needs to check his ego,, and follow the upper belts advice
I really enjoyed hearing from inside the mind of someone who trains so hard and is reckless on the mat. Thanks Chew
This question goes to anyone who reads it:
Backstory first: I got my first stripe yesterday on my white belt and I do not honestly feel like i deserve it.
I still find a very hard time submitting other students on the same level or higher and I get submitted a lot.
I love the sport and I am not willing to quit.
My question is as follows: Do I deserve the stripe? and if so, then why am I getting submitted and finding such a hard time executing the skills being taught.
Would appreciate any answer I might get from the bjj community
I am a blue belt who went through this as a white belt, especially because I am the smallest guy at my gym.
Short answer is don't worry about this at all (especially if you are smaller than the people you roll with because size does make a difference)!
Your coach gave you the stripe because they felt that you were worthy of it. Assuming your coach is a legit black belt, then you displayed the skill that he/she was looking for.
As for submitting people and getting submitted a lot, grappling is a very hard sport. You are trying to force someone in a position or submission, and they are trying to do the same to you. Assuming Jiu Jitsu is your first martial art with grappling, it takes a while to get used to the process. Since you received your stripe two months ago, I assume you have been training for at least a few months. If this is the case, you should not worry because it took me about a year for BJJ techniques to "click in" my head. By that, I mean being able to connect and transition between different techniques.
The fact that you love the sport and are not willing to quit is great! That is the mentality you need to get better. I sucked my first year of Jiu Jitsu, but the next year, I started to get much better, and many people in my gym have told me that.
My "secret" was that after every Jiu Jitsu practice, I would write down techniques that I tried while rolling that were not successful and/or the ways I got submitted. I then would watch videos about the techniques I was having trouble with and the defenses for the submissions I was getting caught in. Eventually, my defense got really good. This next part is important. I also learned "systems of techniques " rather than individual submissions. By systems, I mean watching a series of techniques where if you do one technique, and if your opponent defends it, then use a different technique. This way, you always have an answer for your opponent's reactions. The best channels for this would be TeachMeGrappling (this is the channel that I attribute most of my improvements to), JonThomasBJJ, and Absolute MMA St Kilda - Melbourne (or Lachlan Giles, a pro BJJ competitor).
A lot of people make the mistake of learning individual techniques, and that is not the best way to learn because if the technique you are trying fails, what are you going to do next?
There is also a channel called "The Art of Skill", and they have a video called "What Do BJJ Belts Mean?" He covers your exact concerns.
So in conclusion, don't be discouraged. Getting better at BJJ is a long process, and it takes a lot of time to improve.
There is research now that shows that you learn best when you're relaxed.
I respect that this guy wants to work hard, and it seems like going 110% is how he generally does that. With that said, one of my old coaches told me that half of your training is for you, half is for your training partner.
For me (I'm a 140 lbs newly promoted purple belt), if I'm rolling with a beginner who weighs 200+ lbs and he's going all out, I can't really work on technique. All I can do is try to make sure I don't get seriously hurt. I also probably won't be able to give the beginner opportunities to use technique because I'm just waiting for the round to end. After that I probably won't be willing to train with that beginner at all until I'm confident that it's safe.
This is all to say that trying to make rolling a cooperative experience can be helpful for development. Even if you want to work hard, going all out isn't always the most productive way to do it, especially in a full contact martial art/sport like BJJ.
I was rolling today, and we weren’t going super hard or fast, but I went for a choke from guard, and my leg got jacked in a funny way, and I pulled my groin. So imagine how easier it would be to get hurt if you don’t know what you’re doing. Thanks for all the great advice.
Damn, hope you're doing alright.
Active drilling, I like that. Also, if you're big and you want to go hard, try just working on your guard. It's way safer for your training partners. That's what the big guy at my gym does 👍
Shout out to him
guard is only safe if the person using it is crappy, or good, because there is a time when people develop some ability without actually developing control
The guy wants to build his ego off the backs of his training partners. He wants to go hard so he can feel like he WON. chewy is actually being nice here. The guy is lucky he hasn’t been green lit because every one of those rolls he sits out will be an extra intense ass kicking by some purple belt and then the brown belts and black belts are giving you pressure and intensity that you thought you wanted but actually only wanted in small doses at YOUR pace. I know this video is a few years old but right now, this guy is either a blue belt who got humbled and changed his ways or he’s quit jiu jitsu entirely and watches a lot of UFC fights thinking about how weak those jiu jitsu guys are and how he could be a champion if he had wanted to.
I’m a white belt, weigh 135 when I roll with people like this I’ll literally just lay there until they make a little bit of space then I’ll try to escape. If it doesn’t work I’ll just lay there again and keep trying. Otherwise I’m going to lay there for 5 minutes. I see it as a roll just to survive and get comfortable with the weight on top of me.
Bro I feel this more you know stay strong bro.
Yea same I feel you too. I also literally weigh exactly 135 pounds haha.
I’m 145 lbs. I’m the exact opposite. I try to use my speed and agility to not ever let the big guy get on top.
If they fall on you that 300lbs can seriously hurt you. Would avoid rolling with someone 2x your weight for training purposes as a white belt.
As a 5'2" 130 lb woman, if I saw this dude on the mat, I would run the opposite direction. I roll with everyone, big or small, but this guy sounds dangerous. We have 2 very big dudes at my gym, one of which is a wrestler and I love rolling with them, they make the roll challenging and fun without smashing me to pieces, and I feel like you don't need to go a million miles an hour every single roll, that's just asking to injure yourself or others! Good advice, Chewy, you handled that really well!
I roll hard for positioning and go slow/easy on everything else. I roll with everyone. I enjoy all styles. Even the guy who submitted this question id roll with. Id slowly help him soften why he helps me harden.
I'm ex military as well.
That guy everyone has to avoid because of his reputation of being a guy who you will get injured training with.
This hit home
As a 315 pound wrestler myself.
The one thing I hate the most is rolling with big guys that never learned how to actually control their weight.
Going hard it’s just an excuse for them not to learn to control their weight.
First thing I always have to do is break them in with a Peterson roll or peek out while catching their arm and seen them fall and nearly break their arm because they never bothered to control their weight.
If you’re 300 pounds you need to roll with people that are just as big as you if you still have an ego and think it’s Patty cake.
People like that take rounds off and put themselves on the back because they think they do good.
Instead of continuously rolling even when they’re tired
Everyone wants to go hard until you get your clavicle dislocated or tear an mcl
Hey Chewy, this actually might be the guy I train with. The guy I train with is 5'11 a bit over 300lbs and was a wrestler. He is a white belt too. I don't know if he was in the military or not but the description you gave is the exact description of the guy I train with. He goes SUPER HARD!! I mean SUPER HARD as if someone killed his family. He has gotten numerous complaints. We've had convos about this guy after class before. He has hurt people. He cranks submissions. He is super dangerous. Also, he does this to women and 1 woman said she almost freaked out on him over it. Most 200lb men can't deal with it and he is doing it to 100lb women.
This guy isn't just any 300lb man, he is a massive man. His arms are like your body. He makes many people tap just from his pressure because you feel like your jaw will break if you are under his side control. This guy doesn't use technique he is pure brute strength and uses his weight to his advantage. Like when he has you in side control he squeezes so hard as if his life is on the line, I swear he's going to burst a blood vessel he is squeezing so hard. He has no self-awareness. That isn't an insult to him either he just doesn't realize that he is hurting others. He is a super nice guy but he doesn't realize what he is doing.
He is super dangerous on the mats. I am not sure if this is the exact guy but try convincing him to leave the gym because so many people have complained about him before. It's not that we're a soft gym it's just that he is 3x the size of the average guy. Yes, the upper belts can deal with him better but most people who train are white and blue belts and can't handle it.
I don't know what he is getting out of jiu jitsu by just squeezing limbs and using his weight the way he does. He's insulting the gym a bit and my instructors are amazing. He should leave, nobody will miss him. He's super nice but sounds like a dick in this message, assuming this is the same guy.
I started at 270 lbs. I have intentionally tried hard to not be this. The other night a 14 year old asked to train with me. I'm 49. You have to be a good teammate.
I bet they gas out after 2 mins moving that much mass. Surprised his heart can handle that many roids
He needs a mat enforcer fr fr
If you’re over 250+ pounds you can’t be going balls to the wall with everyone at the gym. White belts like this think they’re the shit until someone their same size puts them in their place- hopefully it happens before they can hurt someone
Firas Zahabi has talked about this kind of thing on Rogan's MMA podcast which was very good. Volume over intensity to develop skills. Intensity for competition preparation.
How about he learns the most talked about learning aspect of jiu jitsu, the awareness and control of his ego. If he rereads his own email, he should notice how almost every sentence almost definitely begins with “I” or “me”. Jiu jitsu isn’t PRACTICED by ourselves, we have to consider our training partners safety at as high a cost as we value our own. Maybe he does need to suffer a knee injury as you explained in this video. For its only through 2-6 months of suffering without jiu jitsu, and then choosing again to return, can some people every truly be humbled and aware of the consequences. For them, and their partners.
This individual sounds like someone that I wouldn’t want to roll with, and I’m sure most people are going to feel the same way. He’s going to miss out on the good stuff because of it.
He knows nothing about life.
Drug addict mentality.
#meathead
Can’t stand it when guys like that take rests because they can’t fight tired. Well, if you can’t fight tired then you can’t fight at all. Pure ego.
Big guy refuses to play ground and stacks you on your neck for 5 minutes stuffs his cotton knee warmer into your mouth. Fuck that.
Typical military /combative white belt macho mentality. I’d tell him to chill out once. If he’s trying to hurt me or my training partners, I will show him no mercy. Had an active duty combative’s instructor come to the gym once and he was going 100% on everyone. Nearly hurting guys. My coach gave me the nod so I rolled with him for 6 mins. I choked him 6 times in 3 mins, then smashed him the rest, at a point where he ran out the gym and threw up. He learned his lesson. I’m a brown belt now, but I was a 4 stripe blue at the time. Don’t come to the gym and try to hurt anyone.
Great perspective, Chewy
Heres an idea: go to a gym like Renzo gracie’s and try that roll hard shit all the time… youll end up on a stretcher, dont be a spaz and a dick… lighten up
I weigh 300lbs and pride myself on cardio and technique. He wants his cake and it eat too. If you really follow what you preach then quit taking rounds off and roll when your dead tired. That is more of doing patty cake then rolling hard when others don't.
Put it this way. If you can find a gym of people who are all 250lb and above, feel free to go crazy the whole time. If everyone isn't your size, calm the fck down 😂
I 6’5” 318 lbs and I never go as hard as possible - I don’t have to. My size advantage allows me to be more offensively tactical because it’s almost impossible for people to pass guard or effectively take my back because of the size difference. It is already hard to practice certain traditional methods (for instance, I’ve got a 23” neck so chokes are next to impossible on me) and if I went 100% it wouldn’t be fun for other people and I’d never learn anything.
The “playing patty cake” mentality is incredibly foolish and dangerous. It’s an excuse to mask bad technique and steamroll with size which is completely counter productive to being in a BJJ gym.
If the goal is to “leave it all on the mats” during training, go find a strongman gym, take up MAS wrestling, and pick on someone your own size.
I never found having a big neck to be a great choke defense personally
what is MAS wrestling?
@@robbybee70 Specifically rear naked chokes - might be head size, back thickness when I round my shoulders and tuck my chin, or some combo but I’ve only been choked from behind once in two years of training - I’ve been on the receiving end of plenty of triangle chokes.
MAS wrestling is when two guys effectively fight over a stick while sitting and pressing their feet against the same board to create leverage. It’s notoriously despised in the strongman community among the top caliber competitors because people tear ligaments and muscles all the time doing it. It’s spastic, violent, and explosive and usually attracts guys like this until they shred a UCL or rupture a bicep tendon.
@@andrewtucker2014 sounds crappy, glad I never tried it
funny enough I rarely ever have been Triangl'd
I would much rather go for a choke on a guy with a big neck than a guy with a skinny neck. Much easier to make a choke effective when there is less space to take up. But, if your neck is very short, that is an issue that makes chokes difficult.
@@haroldlee4037 I had similar problems sometimes when trying certain leg locks on this girl I had trained with, her feet were so little she would slip free without doing anything
The White Belt everyone hates, not because he rolls hard, but because he hurts his partners.
That white belt really sounds like a douche... I'm pretty sure that he's not going rough with another 300 pounds guy it's probably against some uper belt with half his size and he doesn't want to get his big strong dude ego hurt. Not the right mentality bro.
This guy lol
Hognose(overwatch reference)
Not everyone wants to go that hard. Find a like minded partner and have at it.
I really liked Ryan Hall’s comment that the best way to get good at jiu jitsu was to be the kind of person that people wanted to train with and want to push you to get better.
Jordan Peterson talks about this same idea when it comes to games. When you're a "good sport" more people will want to be around you and play with you. Thus making you better in the long run.
@@Chewjitsu Applying Jordan Peterson to BJJ, both a stud and a scholar. Good job sir.
@@Chewjitsu I was already a follower of your channel since i started practicing bjj, if I needed any confirmation that it was a good move, it's done! Please make a top lobster Gi colab!
@@marcusgarcia8843 😂 top lobster 🦞
@@ChewjitsuYour new assignment: Invent Lobster Guard 🦞
I'm a +50 about 150lbs so definitely not light but not super heavy female purple belt who often ends up rolling with the 250lbs men in the gym. They could be total Jerks and smash and tap me out regardless of their belt level - but they don't, they use the opportunity to focus on techniques and refrain as best as they can on relying on size and strength- I realize it is difficult for a big guy to keep himself from feeling heavy on a smaller female.
5ft 10 and 300lb's. Go lose 80-100lb's and the coach might let you not smother people to death in blubber.
300lb white belt = LIABILITY to everyone around him in the mindset he has presented. Long way to go for this guy....
Yeah even if he's just fat that's a liability. I have had people like that who were liabilities even just when drilling shit because they will try to just muscle shit and since it's a drill you're not trying to fight back so they can sometimes tweK your shit in a way that injures you
I’m heavy fat/some muscle trying jui jutsu for a way to learn something new and challenge myself, I always try to roll with someone my size or be cognizant on who I’m rolling with so we can both be safe, this guy just seems like a jerk
His mentality is more liability than his weight.
My thought is he’s probably a spaz and they want him to chill out a bit.
Never thought I'd utter this phrase, but, ce to California, sounds like you're at some pussy gym... I've been to multiple in California and all go hard as hell till you can't breathe! (but still can turn it down for a girl or noob) 🙂👍
BJJ is not kickboxing sparring with gloves and head gear and mouth guard and cup.
You ‘succeed’ and hit a nice arm bar and you just broke your partner.
Dude sounds insufferable. You handled this question with grace.
The more he talks about how tough he is, the more it sounds like insecurity.
This guy sounds TERRIFIED that he is going to be bad at Jiu Jitsu and has found some success in using weight and strength and then sitting out to avoid losing rounds when he can't apply those things. Calling skill training "patty cake" so that he can still feel superior to the more technically sound athletes, etc.
I hope he realizes that he desperately needs to humble himself and listen to his coaches and respect his teammates and comes to find his place is Jiu Jitsu, because otherwise he will quit because he can't hack it and tell himself that the sport is "too wussy" for him. Or get kicked out of his gym and tell himself they "couldn't handle" him. This is an opportunity for some major personal growth.
Well said
That gym must not have any purple or brown belts. Sounds like he needs a humbling experience.
@@Uni_VS Or maybe he just got "gassed" when the purple or brown belts came to roll with him
You might be right. But also might be not.
I also like to go hard and push it, and it has nothing to do with insecurities. I just feel that I can tell if my bjj is good or not testing my techniques against a partner that is going at high intensity.
Of course that I don't like to go hard 100% of the rolls. First roll, usually soft to warm up, and then,.depending on the partner, I push it.
Again, nothing to do with insecurities.
@@Robytsu Oh, sure. It's not there going hard aspect. I love hard rolling and have to dial myself back to make sure it's not all I do. It's everything that surrounds it - dismissing coaching, talking down about technical training, providing a massive list of explanations for how tough he is and all the hard stuff he's done, etc. that read as insecure to me, not the affinity for hard training.
Another point I didn't see you or anyone in the comments mention is reps/mat time. This guy said he was training so hard he would have to take a break from being so exhausted. Who do you think gets more out of their class, the guy who rolls every round or the guy who misses 2 or 3 rounds due to being too tired? The guy who gets more mat time will get better in most cases. Train smarter.
I appreciate lighter sessions even more because I see things I usually wouldn’t see going full speed. It also keeps you fresh and technique doesn’t get sloppy.
Another big reason is he’s probably missing out on a lot of technical stuff going hard. Being that big and strong you can get away with a lot more mistakes than others.
Ya there's no point in even going to class if you're gonna do that. You wouldn't be learning shit
As a white belt who floats between 260-265 lbs I'm more concerned about hurting people because I'm one of the bigger guys and still new. I'm probably one of the slowest guys to roll with because of that. Getting hurt sucks. Hurting other people is 100x worse. We're here to have fun and learn. I understand injury is always present in any sport but I'm not really interested in adding any extra risk to the people I drill and roll with.
You make a great point especially on the heel hook part! 💯
Gym solution
Get someone who can keep up the tempo and never let him sit out .
" you want to train hard, you train hard the whole day " is the answer given when asking for a break.
He will slow down because the person owning him won't and he will have to.
Guy doesn't want to listen to reason so you gotta check his ego somewhere else.
Yeah that was the part I thought was the funniest. "FUCK YOU PUSSYS! IM HERE TO TRAIN! but let me catch my breath after 5 minutes, you all keep training, and Im coming back in when i'm fresh though."
"It needs to be as hard as my arteries! Fat acceptance NOW!!!"
Because one guy like that, I had a broken meniscus and can't train anymore. I finish the class and have families, kids, a job... I don't want to go to the doctor and have surgery.
If you go full on, you compensate the lack of techniques with strength and you never learn.
As a 300lb grappler, I'll tell you he is stupid
How is this not common sense?
why doesnt he go to open mat and get some good hard rolls in
"I wanna train brute force instead of understanding and mastering technique and flow. How many buildings can I punch through before I ruin myself by the age of 40?!"... Dial it back and use your brain to learn what you are doing and doing it safely.
How do you guys feel about sand-baggers? I have a "white belt" in our class that surprisingly slapped a toe hold on another white belt. I pressed him about about it and he said he had a purple belt once, but since he hasn't trained in 4 years, he doesn't feel like a purple belt so he started over as a white belt.
I'd tell him to put his Purple Belt back on or evaluate him and see where you think his rank needs to be.
@@Chewjitsu Thanks. I'll talk to him and try to gauge his intentions. I think it bugs me more that he wasn't upfront about it with me. It wasn't on his application so I kinda feel lied to. Love your channel, love your advice!
Also, the real grind he should embrace is getting under three bills.
I can attest. Juijitsu got a lot easier after losing 30 lbs. I began at 290lbs. I was actively cutting down and juijitsu helped. I'm now floating between 260-265lbs. It's still hard to get into some positions but it's gotten a lot easier. I can actually get to S mount.
If he is sparring against another 300 pound guy then it seems alright. Otherwise it might be stupid.
This white belt sounds like a giant, dangerous, corny dork.
Love your content chewy. Easily the best ju jitsu channel on TH-cam. Keep up the great work
Yah people don't appreciate you going super hard for two rounds, resting two rounds, and then you going super hard again when they have been doing four rounds straight with no rest.
The more experienced I become the more I realise that "training hard" means trying to do more transitions/scrambling in the same amount of time. He probably thinks it's about exerting muscle endurance...
If the upper belts went 100% against him (a white belt), all he would learn is how to wake up from passing out.
As an extremely strong but seriously overweight 350 lb bjj guy (who gets constantly humbled by my smaller, but technically superior, friends), I try not to just press all of my weight on top of my rolling partners, because I dont want them to have a miserable time rolling. Rolling should be hard work, but still fun. Having all of my lard suffocating someone in side control isn’t fun at all. Plus, I’m trying to continue working hard to not weigh 350 lbs, hopefully one day 250 lbs, so I look forward to the day where I don’t weigh as much as a car engine.. ✌🏼
My ribs hurt just thinking about his sparring.
Love your content man just subscribed. I'm a few weeks into bjj and your words of wisdom are coming a long way.
I train in Japan. I'm a 6' 0", 172lb, 46yr old Brit, so I'm pretty much the biggest guy in the gym. Apparently I was a spazzy white belt. After getting my blue belt, my coach told me my job is now to learn how to roll with smaller people (Kids, women, everyone). It was an eye opening statement, because I didn't think I was going hard or being excessively rough with anyone. In a recent roll with one of the women, she got me in a pretty solid arm bar which I could have easily strong armed my way out of. Then my coaches words popped up in my head and I tapped to the surperior technique. Great learning experience.
Awesome adviece as always Chewy.