Not giving up as much as just making sure we have real depth at the 5 because another season with a potentially injury prone mark williams and only having nick richards would be rough. However i am curious, what position would you draft?
Dudes, stop mentioning Castle and Shepherd. No one should want a non-shooting wing and an overrated Shepherd that high. Nata Edwards sounded lower on Castle last week than he did today. If Castle had Shepherd’s shooting reputation, then he’d be good. I’m Sarr 100%. If you can’t get Sarr, and you have #2, I think the next best prospect is Zaccharie Risacher. If the Hornets are determined to play Brandon Miller at SG, I think Risacher could be a great SF because he moves better laterally than Miller. Risacher could be their Pippen to Miller’s Jordan. They would have a 6’7 PG, 6’9 SG, and 6’9 SF, but it could work. Then they’d need to address inside depth in free agency or trades. I’m fine with that scenario if they can’t get Sarr. Anything else will be the same old same old.
Risacher is playing against backups in the euro league. Not saying he's bad but Miller would look like a young Westbrook laterally against that competition. Micic was their best player.
Castle (IMO) will be a solid defender, facilitator, ball handler and rim attacker with some attitude as a floor. If he can hit 36% on threes down the road, he's a physically gifted, damn intriguing player I'd want on my team.
@@lloydfarmer Not surprised, most Charlotte pro sports fans never learn. You should ONLY DRAFT WING PLAYERS WHO CAN ALREADY SHOOT. I got tired of arguing with people about that with MKG. I fell for it last year with Scoot Henderson. I'm done with it. If a wing player is not ALREADY regarded as a shooter, don't draft them in the lottery. It's that simple. You can already see that with Davion Mitchell on the Kings. All that hype about everything else he could do, and he barely plays now because shooting is his weakness.
@@traydevon You're kinda rude. So, because you made two bad "picks" (MKG couldn't shoot AT ALL, not really a fair comparison) you would pass on dudes like Anthony Edwards and LaMello because shooting percentage is a question coming into the League? That's it. You don't consider shooting form, or things that can be corrected like shot selection, or free throw percentage, or all the other nuances that any decent scout would consider. Got it.
Great segment on the coaching situation. I totally agree with Nata's line of thought but Walker raises a valid concern if Lee is not all in for the Hornets. Great work today fellas.
@@pdb2k154 the big IF is their health. Especially lamelo. His talent was not questionable since day 1. But i really think miller is the one who would put them on top.
@@NoSauceBoss-sm6zx the fact that he’s got the lowest ceiling in a draft that’s got low ceilings. I’d much rather let Mark show he can be healthy for a season than waste a draft pick on somebody ppl are saying is Walker Kessler-lite. His 55% FT shooting is also a huge turnoff cuz it indicates he cannot shoot and most likely won’t be able to
@@NoSauceBoss-sm6zx that’s fine, but spending a top 7 pick on one is team building malpractice. The only big that we should even think about taking depending on where we draft is Alex Sarr. Otherwise it has to be a wing player that can play next to Miller and LaMelo
They're looking at the center position as if it needed immediate remedy. But here's what I think though, getting Clingan would mean missing out on Knecht. I remember that old Sonics team when they had Perkins, Johnson, and Brickowski as centers. Nothing fancy, right? But they had a good set of players coming off the bench. What I'm saying is, the Hornets is OK with their starting five. They just need to enhance their subs.
Still no coach yet?!? I hope this isn't a replay if when they hired clifford the second time. They need to get this together so the coach can help with the draft analysis without any input from MJ, Mitch or Clifford.
THIS IS WHAT THE HORNETS NEED ! 1. We need a elite point guard that’s not always injured , play defense, shoot , make plays in the halfcourt, not afraid of contact and can compete at least 70-76 games a year 2. We need a elite Center with passing , defense and a 3-point shot that doesn’t have back issues that can compete 70-76 games a year 3. We need a elite coach that can communicate with the players and hold them accountable on the defensive end because no hornets player plays elite defense 4. Trade Mark Williams, you see the warning signs. He’s damaged goods waiting to happen
I like this take, but I will say this... The Hornets need to pick the best prospect REGARDLESS OF POSITION. A guy who can make a playoff rotation. For whatever reason, we don't achieve our potential. Invest in SCOUTING. Invest in strength and conditioning. Don't matter Who you pick If you don't Develop the talent.
We should pay attention to the Center position. But take Clingan at your own risk. He's a walking injury magnet. Has had ankle injury. Had had knee injury. All while in college. There's other centers lower down to look at: Kal 'El Ware. Edey. Yves Missi.Oso Ighadaro.
Hornets have hired a bunch of "respected assistants" in their history and it hasnt worked. Why would Redick make them a clownshow anymore than they already are?
LAMELO BALL would be a number 2 or 3rd option at best on a Championship Team if we can ever get there. He doesn’t have that killer instinct right now to take over a game or get on his teammates and hold them accountable when they perform poorly. He’s not made from the cloth of Jordan or Kobe . I am not saying he can’t get there Anthony Edwards is already there and playing in his 3rd straight year of the playoffs. Him and Lamelo came into the NBA the same year and look at how he has developed and he plays defense and he is not afraid of contact. Compare Lamelo to Anthony like everyone compares Brandon to Scoot . Nobody wants to have that conversation
Klingon is Frank the Tank with no jump (set) shot. Castle is Brandon Miller with less talent and offensive ability. Why would we trade for Brandon Ingram? He plays the same position as Brandon Miller, has a much lower ceiling, is hurt often, cant play d and has proven that he can't carry a team in the playoffs numerous years. I'm all for creative use of this year's draft pick, but the last thing we need is someone else who thinks that they are the 1-a alpha on this team. Gonna be interesting enough with BMill and Melo trying to play together. Not to mention Bridges thinks he's Kobe lite and most of the team jacked up bad shots. I'm for Castle, if we can get rid of Cody Martin. That dude destroyed gameflow when he was on the floor.
Agree with the Mark Take. Us as Hornets fans make Mark better than he actually is. His spinal problems will always be a issue. He hasn’t put in enough work to be our franchise Center other than being only 1/2 centers on our roster. Cut em sign Nick Claxton in FA
Speaking of need at Center.... Why did we trade away Jalen Duren, I have brought it up many times and nobody seems to want to talk about that....horrible move.
@@PTCAL Could have kept both, didn't have to be either or, and considering the likes or Kai Jones and JT Thor were taking up space on our roster there was room for Duren and Williams while getting rid of one of them (Kai or JT)
@@imranak i think they thought they already have richards as backup. Both duren and williams are starters material. They got future 1st and 2nd picks from the trade tho. But like ive said i hope theh picked the right center betweent he 2
Stupidity. Cluelessness. They could've kept Duren AND Mark Williams, which I wanted them to do, or they could've kept Duren and drafted the best scorer on the board at #15.
I don't. Draft either Sarr or Risacher and it can work with the Hornets' current lineup. Stop trying to act like anyone else is worth taking in the Top 5 because they aren't.
Clingan would not be a top 5 pick in any normal draft. He's not athletic, somewhat slow, has no offensive game beyond 2 feet. He's a terrible free throw shooter a la Mason Plumlee and would be put on the line in the NBA. Has not shown a mid-range game. He's a reasonable rim protector but his slowness will hinder his defensive ability. Castle is someone that is OK across the board but not great at any one thing. He will be a role player in in pro's. Hornets need more than a role player. You don’t play it safe with a top 5 pick. Remember MKG and Cody Zeller both who were reaches with a top 5 pick. Sarr is the ultimate hope, Cody Williams, Researche, Ron Holland, J' Kobe Walker or Buzelis are better fits. PJ Hall in the second round.
The front office has to DO its homework & draft a player who will fit the system of the next headcoaching hire.. There are no obvious "superstars" to be had in this draft but there is talent available for draft savvy organizations.. They can't get pigeonholed by necessity when the team needs talent & competition everywhere.. I hope they are done with the every player can score 30 on any night 5 Out nonsense, there isn't enough talent to continue constructing teams with it in mind, the players they had collected who fit that mold proved they aren't real dawgs that can win.. Time to change philosophy(stop being copycats), find players who fit the core & a coach with a system that allows THEM to win.. What are they doing?.. They want more money they have to show THEIR competence and deliver a winner, nobody is paying double for mediocre entertainment.. 40 wins and 1st round exits ain't gone cut it.. Small Market excuses either(See; Oklahoma).. No JJ(assistant is fine), no more first round slew foots either..
I think that when people within the franchise say they have a lot of talent that it's been true for years. Look at all the people they traded away that are getting post season buckets. They have and have had plenty of talent to be a better team than what we have seen. It seems like more of a lack of good luck than a lack of talent.
You don't know the pick yet. If they get #1 or #2, they should definitely keep it. If they get #3, try to trade it for a rotational veteran and a lower pick, lol.
Great stuff guys. It does feel tough to bail on Williams so early but there's plenty of folks saying similar things about melo. If everyone's healthy i do like how Castle could fit, he's a really solid player. But you've got to have that rim protection. Also, appreciated the music convo it's always interesting to hear about your personal interests outside of basketball. But how about a shout out for the canes?! The one nc franchise having some success right now.
I can’t believe we are considering giving up on Mark this quickly we have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes.
Not giving up as much as just making sure we have real depth at the 5 because another season with a potentially injury prone mark williams and only having nick richards would be rough. However i am curious, what position would you draft?
A back injury doesn't get better only managable
Back injuries at 22... career death sentence.
Dudes, stop mentioning Castle and Shepherd. No one should want a non-shooting wing and an overrated Shepherd that high. Nata Edwards sounded lower on Castle last week than he did today. If Castle had Shepherd’s shooting reputation, then he’d be good. I’m Sarr 100%. If you can’t get Sarr, and you have #2, I think the next best prospect is Zaccharie Risacher. If the Hornets are determined to play Brandon Miller at SG, I think Risacher could be a great SF because he moves better laterally than Miller. Risacher could be their Pippen to Miller’s Jordan. They would have a 6’7 PG, 6’9 SG, and 6’9 SF, but it could work. Then they’d need to address inside depth in free agency or trades. I’m fine with that scenario if they can’t get Sarr. Anything else will be the same old same old.
Risacher is playing against backups in the euro league. Not saying he's bad but Miller would look like a young Westbrook laterally against that competition. Micic was their best player.
@@MvHensley Still makes more sense than Castle, Shepherd, or Buzelis, potential-wise, as the 2nd prospect off the board.
Castle (IMO) will be a solid defender, facilitator, ball handler and rim attacker with some attitude as a floor.
If he can hit 36% on threes down the road, he's a physically gifted, damn intriguing player I'd want on my team.
@@lloydfarmer Not surprised, most Charlotte pro sports fans never learn. You should ONLY DRAFT WING PLAYERS WHO CAN ALREADY SHOOT. I got tired of arguing with people about that with MKG. I fell for it last year with Scoot Henderson. I'm done with it. If a wing player is not ALREADY regarded as a shooter, don't draft them in the lottery. It's that simple. You can already see that with Davion Mitchell on the Kings. All that hype about everything else he could do, and he barely plays now because shooting is his weakness.
@@traydevon You're kinda rude.
So, because you made two bad "picks" (MKG couldn't shoot AT ALL, not really a fair comparison) you would pass on dudes like Anthony Edwards and LaMello because shooting percentage is a question coming into the League? That's it. You don't consider shooting form, or things that can be corrected like shot selection, or free throw percentage, or all the other nuances that any decent scout would consider.
Got it.
I have no interest in draft picks until after an fing coach is selected lol.
Great segment on the coaching situation. I totally agree with Nata's line of thought but Walker raises a valid concern if Lee is not all in for the Hornets. Great work today fellas.
I think if we draft center we can move one to power forward
You absolutely pick Sarr. Sarr is a 4 ala Mobley
Lamelo, miller, miles, sarr, williams now thats a 5-6 seed potential if all healthy
@@PTCALa year ago I would have called you crazy but seeing the thunder do it….. I wouldn’t be surprised
@@pdb2k154 the big IF is their health. Especially lamelo. His talent was not questionable since day 1. But i really think miller is the one who would put them on top.
If we draft Clingan, I'm so over this organization. Always taking the easy way out instead of trying to be great.
What's wrong with getting a big?
@@NoSauceBoss-sm6zx the fact that he’s got the lowest ceiling in a draft that’s got low ceilings. I’d much rather let Mark show he can be healthy for a season than waste a draft pick on somebody ppl are saying is Walker Kessler-lite. His 55% FT shooting is also a huge turnoff cuz it indicates he cannot shoot and most likely won’t be able to
@@sakthithanigai5036 true but we need a third string big
@@NoSauceBoss-sm6zx that’s fine, but spending a top 7 pick on one is team building malpractice. The only big that we should even think about taking depending on where we draft is Alex Sarr. Otherwise it has to be a wing player that can play next to Miller and LaMelo
They're looking at the center position as if it needed immediate remedy. But here's what I think though, getting Clingan would mean missing out on Knecht. I remember that old Sonics team when they had Perkins, Johnson, and Brickowski as centers. Nothing fancy, right? But they had a good set of players coming off the bench. What I'm saying is, the Hornets is OK with their starting five. They just need to enhance their subs.
Only want Alex Sarr, Terrence Shannon Jr, Rob Dillingham
Still no coach yet?!? I hope this isn't a replay if when they hired clifford the second time. They need to get this together so the coach can help with the draft analysis without any input from MJ, Mitch or Clifford.
THIS IS WHAT THE HORNETS NEED !
1. We need a elite point guard that’s not always injured , play defense, shoot , make plays in the halfcourt, not afraid of contact and can compete at least 70-76 games a year
2. We need a elite Center with passing , defense and a 3-point shot that doesn’t have back issues that can compete 70-76 games a year
3. We need a elite coach that can communicate with the players and hold them accountable on the defensive end because no hornets player plays elite defense
4. Trade Mark Williams, you see the warning signs. He’s damaged goods waiting to happen
Well played Harry Potter comparison to the center position Nata 👏🏻 🤓
I like this take, but I will say this... The Hornets need to pick the best prospect REGARDLESS OF POSITION. A guy who can make a playoff rotation. For whatever reason, we don't achieve our potential. Invest in SCOUTING. Invest in strength and conditioning. Don't matter Who you pick If you don't Develop the talent.
No
We should pay attention to the Center position. But take Clingan at your own risk. He's a walking injury magnet.
Has had ankle injury. Had had knee injury. All while in college.
There's other centers lower down to look at: Kal 'El Ware. Edey. Yves Missi.Oso Ighadaro.
Hornets have hired a bunch of "respected assistants" in their history and it hasnt worked. Why would Redick make them a clownshow anymore than they already are?
We need size and Length
We should have kept Jaden McDaniels over Miles Bridges, Elite defender that can hit the 3 point shot and less off court drama
Nick don’t seem like he’ll be here for years we need a 3rd string for now until he becomes back up
What do you think about taking Tristan Da Silva in the 2nd round?
It would be tough to pass on Edey the CPOY and leading scorer
The Hornets will likely have a top 3 pick. It's easy to pass on a lot of players when you're that high.
It's no telling what Staff JJ would bring with him, maybe Rajon Rondo another mastermind he has connects just like Charles Lee plus players like JJ
LAMELO BALL would be a number 2 or 3rd option at best on a Championship Team if we can ever get there. He doesn’t have that killer instinct right now to take over a game or get on his teammates and hold them accountable when they perform poorly. He’s not made from the cloth of Jordan or Kobe .
I am not saying he can’t get there
Anthony Edwards is already there and playing in his 3rd straight year of the playoffs. Him and Lamelo came into the NBA the same year and look at how he has developed and he plays defense and he is not afraid of contact. Compare Lamelo to Anthony like everyone compares Brandon to Scoot . Nobody wants to have that conversation
Klingon is Frank the Tank with no jump (set) shot. Castle is Brandon Miller with less talent and offensive ability. Why would we trade for Brandon Ingram? He plays the same position as Brandon Miller, has a much lower ceiling, is hurt often, cant play d and has proven that he can't carry a team in the playoffs numerous years. I'm all for creative use of this year's draft pick, but the last thing we need is someone else who thinks that they are the 1-a alpha on this team. Gonna be interesting enough with BMill and Melo trying to play together. Not to mention Bridges thinks he's Kobe lite and most of the team jacked up bad shots. I'm for Castle, if we can get rid of Cody Martin. That dude destroyed gameflow when he was on the floor.
Agree with the Mark Take. Us as Hornets fans make Mark better than he actually is. His spinal problems will always be a issue. He hasn’t put in enough work to be our franchise Center other than being only 1/2 centers on our roster. Cut em sign Nick Claxton in FA
Hasn't it been obvious that high level coaching experience doesn't necessarily translate to a successful franchise.
No. It depends on how you define "high level."
Speaking of need at Center....
Why did we trade away Jalen Duren, I have brought it up many times and nobody seems to want to talk about that....horrible move.
They chose between the 2 and gamble it. Well its too early too say , but i hope they didnt pick the wrong center. Lets give it 2 more years
@@PTCAL Could have kept both, didn't have to be either or, and considering the likes or Kai Jones and JT Thor were taking up space on our roster there was room for Duren and Williams while getting rid of one of them (Kai or JT)
@@imranak i think they thought they already have richards as backup. Both duren and williams are starters material. They got future 1st and 2nd picks from the trade tho. But like ive said i hope theh picked the right center betweent he 2
Stupidity. Cluelessness. They could've kept Duren AND Mark Williams, which I wanted them to do, or they could've kept Duren and drafted the best scorer on the board at #15.
If I remember correctly, I was one of the first who suggested drafting Duren, months before draft night. And they did draft him, then sent him away
Don’t we still got center James najii still ????
Why would we draft a Center when we have Nnaji?
I hate this draft class so much
I don't. Draft either Sarr or Risacher and it can work with the Hornets' current lineup. Stop trying to act like anyone else is worth taking in the Top 5 because they aren't.
Why does everybody keep going after these same type of players every year?That only ever wind up being average to lower level n b a players?
Why is nobody talking about Hansen Yang? Watch his videos and tell me which top center in the league today he reminds you of
Clingan would not be a top 5 pick in any normal draft. He's not athletic, somewhat slow, has no offensive game beyond 2 feet. He's a terrible free throw shooter a la Mason Plumlee and would be put on the line in the NBA. Has not shown a mid-range game. He's a reasonable rim protector but his slowness will hinder his defensive ability. Castle is someone that is OK across the board but not great at any one thing. He will be a role player in in pro's. Hornets need more than a role player. You don’t play it safe with a top 5 pick. Remember MKG and Cody Zeller both who were reaches with a top 5 pick. Sarr is the ultimate hope, Cody Williams, Researche, Ron Holland, J' Kobe Walker or Buzelis are better fits. PJ Hall in the second round.
Stinging and clingan
The front office has to DO its homework & draft a player who will fit the system of the next headcoaching hire.. There are no obvious "superstars" to be had in this draft but there is talent available for draft savvy organizations.. They can't get pigeonholed by necessity when the team needs talent & competition everywhere.. I hope they are done with the every player can score 30 on any night 5 Out nonsense, there isn't enough talent to continue constructing teams with it in mind, the players they had collected who fit that mold proved they aren't real dawgs that can win.. Time to change philosophy(stop being copycats), find players who fit the core & a coach with a system that allows THEM to win.. What are they doing?.. They want more money they have to show THEIR competence and deliver a winner, nobody is paying double for mediocre entertainment.. 40 wins and 1st round exits ain't gone cut it.. Small Market excuses either(See; Oklahoma).. No JJ(assistant is fine), no more first round slew foots either..
The draft is meh at best none of the players are any good for the team
A lot of speculation on the pod today
I don’t agree with the Glingan love
take james jr late round abnd throw him out there watch the seats sell out
Reed Shepard
Yuck.
I think that when people within the franchise say they have a lot of talent that it's been true for years. Look at all the people they traded away that are getting post season buckets. They have and have had plenty of talent to be a better team than what we have seen. It seems like more of a lack of good luck than a lack of talent.
Trade the pick! 😅
You don't know the pick yet. If they get #1 or #2, they should definitely keep it. If they get #3, try to trade it for a rotational veteran and a lower pick, lol.
True. But I’m ready to win now, I’ll risk that #1 pick for a Star…. It’s rough being a hornets fan
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Great stuff guys. It does feel tough to bail on Williams so early but there's plenty of folks saying similar things about melo. If everyone's healthy i do like how Castle could fit, he's a really solid player. But you've got to have that rim protection. Also, appreciated the music convo it's always interesting to hear about your personal interests outside of basketball. But how about a shout out for the canes?! The one nc franchise having some success right now.
Put me down for Stephon Castle. They seem to want to force BM to be a #2, though.
Your experience doesn't matter if you have experience an outdated techniques that no longer work.
You probably need to look at the point guard position because Lamelo is not going to play 65 games. I don’t see it
I hope it will all change this year.
imagine being someone who follow college ball and not having Sheppard in the top 10 lol