Hamilton, Jefferson, and Washington Debate HD
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- Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Alexander Hamilton Debate
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“Actually, I’m also feeling a bit awkward being so high above the people here-you-you’re comfortable up here.”
*_JEFFERSON IS SENDING ME AND IT’S ONLY BEEN A MINUTE-_*
George Washington reminds me of the Dad arbitating the disputes between two sons.. :)
Exactly!
Robert Polityka FACTZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dad the boys are fighting again
@@IanAtkinsCinemato co promise or compromise... that's why AMERICA died for the compromise. You cannot serve two masters and still be integral to a single master. Two sided bs coins were they. Gotta love them, I'm still a Jefferson dem because Jefferson pushed us to technocracy xoxo
it is so hard to choose Hamilton or Jefferson. they both make good points
Fortunately we have the likes of Trump and Hillary to make our choice so much easier. LOL!
God help us!. The points are extremely well made, and I wish we came back to people/leaders thinking about the people first, politics and parties second, as Pres. Washington expressed.
Since only one of them believes you're worthy of being called human, I think that makes the decision much simpler.
3:00 in the morning and im sitting here watching a renactment of a debate between Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton. Lol
yessss saaaaame
I'm beyond glad that I'm not the only one that decided this was worth sleep loss
XD yeppp
Hamilfam?
Gabi Castle Yeeesss
This is bloody brilliant. If only it were possible to get the actual founding fathers here haha
but these actors made me forget numerous times that they weren't the actual people
Read... this is reading
Alexander Hamilton is about 10 years younger than Jefferson but other wise very fun
I think it's just the actor that's making him appear older.
Thank you! This was not only educational, but fun and extremely interesting.
Having a huge interest in our, well my American History, I found this video and the actors very, very accurate and bringing the three individuals to life,,,,again!
Thank you again!
christopher6055 I agree with you! These three men are the principle actors portraying these historical figures and did a fantastic job representing their respective views and positions during this important era of our history. It is not easy to make all history entertaining, but this debate was fascinating.
These men were not only actors but the very capable embodiment of the founding fathers they portrayed. Being able to entertain and answer questions regarding the thought processes of their day is amazing. Are these gentlemen still available today for an encore appearance?
Am I the only one here cause if the musical lol
Cabinet Battle.
There certainly has been a remarkable increase in viewership thanks to the musical. Were you fortunate enough to see the show?
nope
Ian Atkins I will see the Chicago production in November.
same XD
Wow, that is what I pictured Hamilton would have been like!
I adore this. My heart breaks when I think of the hard work of Washington, Jefferson and Hamilton crumbling away before our eyes. These actors are great.
I love watching these actors. They made history class so much more enjoyable for me. Thank you for uploading!
We now know that Spain played a huge key role in helping the Colonies win their independence from England along with France! Thank you Spain!
Has anyone else noticed from anything with anyone playing George Washington they all looks very and I mean incredibly very similar like George Washington was all one person throughout each film. Tall, kind, softly spoken and looks like a man of honour just by a glance, facial expressions always soft and neutral. I know people look for people that resemble but the way they play him is all so pin point and outstanding. It's just brilliant and astonishing.
That’s a very very important point to George’s contribution.
How he looked and acted was distinct and legendary. And that was very important to America in the 18th century.
Washington: “Or has no reli-“ *motions to Jefferson*
*gestures at the audience instead* “Or has no religion at all.” ^^”
Hamilton: _gremlin snickering_
Jefferson: *_just let me die_*
I don't know why this was recommended to me by TH-cam 9 years later, but a fun watch, I appreciate it
do they have notes on the floor or anything. im trying to see where they are reading their lines, its unbelievable that they could memorize this whole beautiful thing. amazing if so.
Having filmed the event, I can personally vouch for the fact that no one has scripts or notes at their disposal. Not only that, there was no pre-discussion or rehearsal. In fact, George Washington was actually running late and Jefferson and Hamilton decided to start without him, not sure when or if he would show. His appearance later into the discussion was not planned and his gradual immersion into the discussion was only because he was trying to find a natural way to join. These actors are historians who know their roles and facts inside and out.
truly astounding. thank you sir for the upload! youve introduced me to re-enacted debates and ive been watching them and listening to them at work ever since! you opened a whole new world for me, thank you and all the best to you!
I usually agree with Hamilton but I do not agree with having a standing army. Maybe if he could see how it is used these days and how large it is he would have felt differently.
I often wonder how the founding father's would feel about the 2nd amendment today.
Ian Atkins Yeah thats one if the arguments that it was a diffrent world back
Alexander Hamilton (from what I've read of him) would be proud of an empire to rival the British. Merely one reason why I hate him. That and the national bank
While the US may spend too much on its military, it is the most militarily (and overall) powerful nation on earth, and it obviously needs a large standing army to defend its interests, and if it just disestablished it, that would leave it vulnerable to threats from other militarily powerful countries such as China or Russia. The same thing goes for nuclear weapons, they may not like how destructive they are and how they don’t fit into their view of a “militia to be called upon when necessary”, but upon learning of how the U.S.’s enemies all have access to these weapons, they would most likely understand the need for them. As for the second amendment, it’s doubtful their beliefs would change from when they first wrote it, as the citizen’s right to bear arms is always necessary, whether it’s a Brown Bess or an AR-15, as the purpose of the amendment is so that if the government ever becomes tyrannical, then the people would have the ability to create a militia (using firearms) to rebel against the government.
@@yankeeforcestudios5431 No. Russia and China don't want to attack and threat the United States. The other countries simply have no abilities to attack the United States. It's that the United States posed the threat to China and Russia! Not the other way around!
Hmmmm.... Well, I guess this question might get asked more now than ever. But what would Hamilton think of the Broadway musical, "Hamilton"? What would he think of Lin-Manuel Miranda being Hamilton on-stage, and what would he think of Hamilton's cast being much more racially diverse than it originally was?
Well knowing Alexander, he would have a lot to say.
I find reading fanfiction is the only way of "finding out" about that, I'm afraid. archiveofourown.org/works/8353579/chapters/19135852 I feel this is pretty accurate. Constant interrupting and Hamilton being an annoying git.
This is a great video, I would love this to show in my 8th grade Social Studies classes, however I have trouble HEARING the questions from the audience in the at the end of the Clip, is it set up for CC?
I can work on that feature.
The depth of George Washington's ability is on the record, and he has receipts.
Hamilton's story is far more inspiring than Jeffersons
Interesting point of view. I agree that Hamilton's story is inspiring. I'm not sure we need to compare Hamilton's story with that of Jefferson (or anyone else), but certainly both men (and many others) have contributed so much to our country and individual livelihoods that we can certainly draw inspiration from them all. I only hope that we will continue to offer the world similar people and ideals in the years to come. I often wonder if the present state of our political system and society as a whole affords the same degree of inspiration and forward movement that in hindsight will be equally valued. Jefferson, Hamilton, and many of their time period offered such rich slow-burning logs of principles that continue fuel the heat of our democracy in ways that I fear the kindled sparks of of today's flame fail to fully ignite.
Ian Atkins Both of these men were clearly intellectual giants of their time, while still being subject to basic human frailties. They put forth revolutionary ideal that will be compared and contrasted by historians long after you and I are dust. I simply find Hamilton's origin more interesting. A self made man from the definition of no where compared with a man from inherited wealth. I am just finishing Chernow's book on Hamilton now (it's fantastic btw), which paints him in a very positive light. I would like to read an account from the opposing perspective. I have just always been a more of a realist than an idealist, which is why I have always been partial to Hamilton's pragmatic approach to government.
I agree. From living in Nevis as an orphan to being a famous politician in New York is astounding. All because of his writing...
So very well done and informative. Bravo!!
I loved this! Is there similar (historical) stuff with the same actors around?
I've seen similar presentations on TH-cam.
Pretty late but I have seen one more directed at kids. With things like audience participation and questions pertaining to the history class they were in
This version of Washing needs to go before the current congress and senate and give that same speech. They could learn a few things about enmity.
Great theatre! Wonderful acting! I'd be afraid to answer questions from the hip/randomly from the audience while in character-unless rehearsed with audience members!
There were no rehearsed questions...these actors really know their stuff!
Ian Atkins Amazing talent! I'm an actor and I humbly admit, I couldn't do that without proper rehearsal with two or three audience members actually telling me what they're gonna ask me!
I didn't know they had this kind of technology to record this all the way back in the mid 1700's.
To the people :) ...unless your name is Thomas Jefferson!
...WHAT???!! *looks at paper in confusion and disbelief*
Stunning.
George Washington yells at his sons and gives you homework asmr
WHO'S Y'ALLS FAVORITE PRESIDENT?
1) PRESIDENT GEORGE WASHINGTON
2) PRESIDENT THOMAS JEFFERSON
3) PRESIDENT ALEXANDER HAMILTON
PLEASE COMMENT BELOW
Hamilton wasnt President...
1:10:36 - 1:10:47 very true and needs to be considered when we have any political debate.
Well said.
Totally misleading title. I am here trying to find out what the founding fathers thought about high definition TV.
this is beautiful
wait..'camera obscura' lol 😂😂😂😂
Where the heck is Franklin?
Why does Hamilton call himself "Colonel" when he had the rank of Major General?
Hamilton served as Washington's Lt. Colonel for about 4 years. (Lefkowitz, Arthur S., George Washington's Indispensable Men: The 32 Aides-de-Camp Who Helped Win the Revolution, Stackpole Books, 2003, pp. 15 & 108).
Ian Atkins Yes, we know this. However, they aren't reenacting any particular time period in the past. They are essentially portraying ghosts, and speaking to us in the present day. For instance, Jefferson speaks about founding UVA, which happened well after Washington and Hamilton died. So, Hamilton having achieved the rank of Major General, he should have introduced himself as such.
jesusthroughmary I KNOW RIGHT.
He got the Major General rank during the quasi-war didnt he? I cant remember, but tuebone while John Adams was in office I think since that war never actually happened on our shores after all and the army disbanded after the peace some people refused to acknowledge Hamilton's rank of Major General and some thought the rank wasnt valid cause battle never happened. I think here to just make it simpler they kept it at Colonel.
I believe it’s because this is probably set before John Adams’ presidency, when Hamilton and Jefferson would argue with one another with the same subjects brought by this re-enactment, before Hamilton became the Major General of the U.S. navy.
their expressions..😂😂 omg..
Great debate! Fantastic actors who did a splendid job! The principle problem of our early history was WAR and how to deal with it without extinguishing individual freedoms, both of the States, and of the people. Jefferson was quite right to point out that the 13 States were independent countries in their own right, equal to Britain, France, or any other country. The Colonial complaints about the British sound a lot like what is going on today with our federal government playing the part of the British.
Wonderful play! Only one thing I disagree, we now know that Spain played a major part in helping the United States win their independence from Great Britain! They could not have won the war with just France!
The Declaration of the United States was joint Declaration of the unanimous approval of 13 States, the delegates to the continental congress from 13 newly independent States could vote for and sign the Declaration of Independence only after the permission and authorization from the their home states.
Although the United States of America under the Articles of Confederation was definitely a some kind of a league of 13 newly independent sovereign states before the establishment of the United States Constitution. The 13 States ceased to be fully independent sovereignty states any more since Each of the state ratifying conventions of the 13 States ratified the United States Constitution.
Bullshits! The American Revolution was because the harsh policies towards the 13 colonies enacted by the British Parliament which the colonists in 13 colonies didn't have any direct representation. Your analogy to compare the federal government to British Parliament is totally false!
Quite impressive they got them to do this.
"state" was, at that time used, the way we use "nation" today.
In fact, it was more umbrellic a term. Encompassing, quite literaly, *any* political autonomous entity.
"Hello! I'd like to schedule an argument." - Monty Python
This shows how far we have strayed away from what the Founding Father's intended. I can see why Alexander Hamilton was so disliked and he was bound to find himself in a duel even ones that did not involve honor or a woman.
Brilliant!
Alex's and Thomas' that is lol 😂😂
I always find Myself agreeing with Hamilton more than Jefferson but a balance between a strong federal government and the states would be the best. Yet for the time they were in of a fragile new nation it is more important to have the strong government and is even needed for this to work. So that's why I agree with him more we even had the subject in school and learned about american system of government and I think it's interesting how much of this principles were actually first proposed by Hamilton. These actors are amazing wow I have to keep reminding me that they are just actors.
I don't know how you compromised with those to two, but some how you managed it.
Are you referring to Washington?
+Ian Atkins
Yup
wait..didn't know that dice were taxed as well..🤔🤔 hmm
Can someone tell me what happened at 1:19:06? I'm very confused.
Yes, there is a question at 1:18:39 that asks Washington, "Are you aware that Jefferson was forming the Republican party while a member of your cabinet?" TJ answers instead and is followed by Hamilton. Washington eventually steps in at 1:19:06 and answers, "Yes, I was aware."
I feel like the problem with this debate is that Jefferson is very much arguing ideals while Hamilton is arguing using actual experience. That doesn't mean that Hamilton is completely right, but it's one thing to have an idea of what you would like the country to be and to actually make a country function.
was this scripted or was the debate more or less improv? The actors, particularly Hamilton, did a phenomenal job.
You would have to ask them, but from what I observed they know these roles so well that they can do much of this in an improv manner. That being said, some of the banter and jokes were similar to other performances I have seen on TH-cam. So my guess would be this is a like a WWE fight: the "key" moments are well rehearsed, but the filler in between is spontaneous.
Is there a way to contact the Hamilton actor? jhamilton@compete.org
Hamilton's argument there about how the alien and sedition acts were "approved by the judiciary" doesn't make sense. I don't know of any court case over that act a the time period. It was 3 years before Marbury v. Madison. At that time, the authority of the Supreme Court to say a law is unconstitutional had not yet been decided.
Also, Hamilton's interpretation of the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions is certainly accurate to how they were viewed at the time, and pretty accurate to Jefferson's views in writing the Kentucky Resolution, but Madison, who wrote the Virginia Resolution was misunderstood. He clarified in both 1799 and again in 1820 that he did not believe in the power of nullification, but rather believed in the right of States to express their views so they may influence the Federal Government and, if necessary, use their authority under Article V to call a Convention to amend the Constitution for a "clarifying amendment." As it turned out, that was not necessary. Jefferson won the Presidency partially on the strength of his arguments against the Alien and Sedition Acts and let the acts expire. He appointed Madison as Secretary of State and the two won the Marbury v. Madison case 3 years later, overturning an act of Congress in the Courts for the first time (as Jefferson took us to the brink of a Constitutional crisis).
Wasn't Jefferson soft spoken?
The "George Washington Character" summed up our modern problem when he (the actor) very much out of form remarked on the slogan "in God we Trust" and contrasting it with "E.Pluribus Unum". That is a purely post-modern contrast.
"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." -George Washington
"While we are contending for our own liberty, we should be very cautious not to violate the rights of conscience in others, ever considering that God alone is the judge of the hearts of men, and to him only in this case they are answerable." -George Washington
Jefferson, take a walk. Hamilton, take a wALK
Hamilton?
Sir?
*_A w o r d ._* (ｰ ｰ;)
@@kashmello You don't have the votes
Hamilton needs to calm down lol 😂😂
With respect I disagree with General Washington on the imposition of taxes in North America. The average British citizen was paying vastly more tax then the Americans even after the various taxes. The stamp tax really hurt the privileged sets in American colonial society which is why they protested too much. Also he misrepresents British Government. Parliament governs and passes acts, not the King. As for the Boston Massacre, ask the Hon John Adams.
Exactly, the King wasn't enacting the laws, but parliament was. I believe that the former colonies had a privileged status since they were less taxed than British citizens in Britain. Even the declaration of independence talks about tyranny but King George wasn't a tyrant. King George couldn't do anything, since England was a constitutional monarchy not a full monarchy. So yes I fully agree with your statement
This debate only happened because Adams was too busy that day to keep Jefferson and Hamilton in line. 😉
portraying is a spirt. preson
The 4th guy is Fired ... Dismissed... I'm gonna get Hanson
9:23 Bright as fresh paint, I like that!
AMEN
Why is Hamilton portrayed as older than Jefferson?
He isn't? Pretty sure it's just the actor.
It seems so to me. It's of course possible that it's just the actor, but even Hamilton's mannerisms, attitude, dialect, and cane imply that he is older than Thomas Jefferson, which just isn't historically accurate. I see Hamilton portrayed as a Scrooge-type character, with hard-won wisdom rather than spritely smarts, which is what's accurate. Same goes for Thomas Jefferson. He was the older one.
skybroke
Perhaps they're trying to imply that Hamilton might have been smarter than Jefferson, by making him seem older. Of course I don't know who's smarter, I don't understand what either of them are saying half the time
I think it's fair to say Hamilton was indeed smarter than Jefferson, so I see that here. It's probably hard to understand them because 1) while Hamilton was more intelligent, they were both smart, and 2) they talked in very different dialect back then!
While I agree that Hamilton was smart, he pales in comparison to that of the genius of Thomas Jefferson. Jefferson was both a master in and helped pioneer America's focus in agriculture, architecture, astronomy, science, language, botany, education, food, geography, physics, mechanics, natural history, weather, measurement, and literature. Jefferson's achievements in writing, public education, religious freedom, America's independence, exploration, and expansion shadow any American both before and after his lifetime.
I wonder how Alexander Hamilton would have said about a central bank which bails out banks and the the stock market to a point of stock price correlation to central bank money printing all while the people starve.
16:23 Someone just had to text.
April 19th that’s after my birthday
why does hamilton look like, twenty years older than jefferon they were almost 10 years apart
I enjoyed this performance tremendously but general why is your hair white and yet your eyebrows are not ?😜😜
we need God in the American
Because he's is 1 president of United States of America
They were always damage controlled and just acting a play
GEROGE WASHINGTON MY FRIEND.
This is absolutely brilliant. I will always side with Jefferson being the man driven more by independent morality while Hamelton was always driven by a desire for an empire and wealth. The states are not beholden to the federal government but each represent the federal government through individual mediators. The states according to the constitution have a right to create and uphold laws which even the federal government are in opposition of as long as those laws do not conflict with the constitution of the United States. The states then have counties and municipalities which themselves can pass or ignore legislation as they see fit, again in as much as the legislation is not contradictory to the constitution of the United States of America. When dealing with international affairs the federal government represents all of the states as they gather together in congress to negotiate terms for international policies and relationships. This is all held in place by the third branch of our government who make no legislation or political affiliation (at least they are not supposed to) the Supreme Court. The key to this entire system is the constitution of the UNited States. No legislative or executive body has the authority to circumvent the principles of the document allowing smaller collections of government to stand against larger congresses. Ultimately laws are not supposed to be legislated that attack or infringe on an individual's rights. This includes their right to property, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, their right to keep and bear arms, or their right to religion and free speech. (There is no such thing as the separation of church and state, only the decree that the state cannot sponsor one religion over another. If concessions are made for one faith then all faiths must be entitled to the very same concessions under the same circumstances with no bias from the state. Public forums are to be open to religious discussion within those bounds.) All of this to divide authority between represented groups as equally and as efficiently as possible. The most important pillar and authority within our great nation is the individual. This is why many of the amendments after the 10th contradict the intent of the constitution. For example the last line in the fifth amendment clearly states that private property cannot be confiscated for public use, though the 16th amendment somehow allows congress to dictate a taxation on the people without due process. Claiming that the people somehow owe the federal government a portion of their lives on an annual basis. We have not had such a tax until after the turn of the century and until 1984 those taxes claimed upwards of 75% of an individual's livelihood.
Thomas Jefferson never participated in the 1787 convention which drafted the United States Constitution and never participated the advocating of the ratification of the United States Constitution!
The separation of church and state is the idea promoted by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, although the the United States Constitution does not mention the separation of church and state!
@@powerfulstrong5673 The separation of church and state comes from the idea that the state cannot force a state religion. It does not mean that the state will not take part in religious services. I never meant that. Every single one of the founding fathers recognized Judeo Christian values as the foundation of our moral system. Each and everyone of them understood that if society became immoral through a lot of those values we would no longer be worthy to have a free society. Those are their words.
@@powerfulstrong5673 Implication that his absence was irregular or that his absence was him boycotting the formation of United States is absolutely ridiculous. Thomas Jefferson was in Paris at the time of the convention. He did not decide not to attend. He sent letters to Adams upon hearing what was to transpire and in spite of being wholly against the control of federal government in those letters agreed that there should be some form of centralized government in order to cut through much of the red tape caused by the continental congress.
@@brandonandreski1709 Bullshits! Both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison advocated a strict wall to separate between State and Church.
Several videos say Trump is like Hamilton...but I don't see it. ... I will look elsewhere.
Ha! Good luck with that. That will be a never-ending search ;)
Oh god. I never want that to be the case.
Cheshire C TRUMP IS NOTHING LIKE HAMILTON. CUZ FOR ONE THING HAMILTON WAS ACTUALLY GOODLOOKING AND NOT A SHITHEAD.
Trump is like Andrew Jackson, a populace president, aggressive, hyper masculinity, no respect for rules.
+Ian Atkins. YOU GUYS REALLY SHOULD'VE ADDED PRESIDENT ABRAHAN LINCOLN. HE'S ONE OF OUR REMARKABLE FOUNDING FATHERS.
I think it would have been better to have had another of the Anti-Federalists like Patrick Henry, in the mix
Lincoln is not a Founding Father. He wasn't alive at the founding.
Good actors Well done. However, Washington was ever that overweight. Sir, see a trainer immediately. And yes, Hamilton was that big of of snot, hence the duel that ended him. Jefferson is, well, of course, the best, I wish we had another
+StarFall Studios most of the people in the Hamilfandom are very much aware at how much of a git Hamilton was.
I haven't read much on Burr, but I believe one of the only reasons Hamilton chose Jefferson was because Burr didn't have beliefs. Of course I could be wrong, I only know what I have read and heard. But, as an example from the musical, "Jefferson has beliefs, Burr has none." May I ask, what ideas to Burr have? (didn't he try to take over Mexico at some point I mean, not in relation at all just thought it was worth a mention)
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ah. Now this is the sort of thing the internet won't tell you from a quick search. Do you think you'd be able to supply me with links to the things you have stated? I feel it would be an interesting read.
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thank you!
I WISH THESE GENTLEMEN COULD'VE PORTRAYED JEFFERSON AND HAMILTON ACTUALLY THE WAY THEY ARE.
I AM SURPRISED ABRAHAM LINCOLN IS NOT HERE.
Brilliant!