Super interesting, Eleanor! Thank you for sharing :) One of the reasons Rupi Kaur's poetry, is not really my thing, is that it feels rather pedantic. It feels as if she is teaching us something, that it is supposed to have this transformative effect, while the ideas conveyed are sometimes quite standard in my opinion. The connection you make with aphorisms clarifies this idea for me because aphorisms generally deal with common truths.
Thanks for watching and commenting, it makes a huge difference to me. I'm so happy that you understood (and were interested in) my thoughts. Interrogating aphorisms in or outside of poetry is my new fascination it seems.... I never would have expected that a week ago!
Finding an intersection between poetry and aphorisms-that IS exciting. Like you, I have struggled to understand Rupi Kaur’s popularity. If she would convey her aphorisms at a slant, I probably wouldn’t find her poems boring.
Thanks, Lindy. I appreciate your encouragement, especially as it felt ... well ... almost blasphemous to compare Kaur to Dickinson. Making it slant does indeed make it more interesting, ED had a good point lol.
Found this video fascinating - I'm just becoming deeply interested in aphorisms as I've a writer and am wondering how far and in what way they are poetic. And the difference between aphorism, epigram, Tanka, the American sentence, proverb. Thank you for the resources mentioned.
I'm so pleased, thanks for letting me know. I especially appreciate the similar / overlapping forms that you list. In my Dickinson class a few days ago I had the opportunity to ask the teacher whether ED's "assertions" could be correctly labelled "aphorisms" and he replied with a resounding affirmative. He compared her aphorisms to those found in Shakespeare and the Bible. I thought you might find that interesting. Best of luck with your writing, I'm so thankful for your presence here. Regards, Eleanor.
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 that's so interesting about 'assertions' too, especially given Dickinson's family and friend links to preachers. Interesting to compare to visual artist Jenny Holzer's first art project, "Truisms". Perhaps all this stems from a latent teaching or preaching gift.
Oh! Thank you for introducing me to Jenny Holzer - I just looked her up and she is fantastic, exactly the kind of work that gets me thinking in new & different ways about words / art / poetry. What you write about a "latent teaching / preaching gift" is also helping & inspiring me. Firstly, I suddenly realised that Rupi Kaur has been heavily influenced by her own Sikh background. Secondly, your words have illuminated the negativity I often feel when coming across a preaching tone in poetry, and how that is a prejudice that may well be better overcome so as to truly understand certain poets. Thank you so much, my head is spinning with new ideas thanks to you.
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 You might also like Jean-Michel Basquiat, who used a lot of text and erasure poetry in his large-scale paintings: painting a word then stroking it out to make you notice it more. For video/film poetry, a great field survey book would be Sarah Tremlett "The poetics of Poetry Film: Film poetry, videopoetry, lyric voice, reflection". Intellect Books, 2021.
Eleonor, before I watch the video: I'm going to make a wild guess: the connective tissue is that they are all in the title? If that is the wrong answer, then I must watch your video and educate myself. (Who is kidding? I'm going to watch it anyway.)
Ha, you had me laughing out loud! Thank you! No, no, I promise it's definitely not clickbait. It's just that my original title "A brief analysis of the use of aphorisms in poetry" sounded terribly dull. Oops ... that was a spoiler ;-) Thanks for being here and commenting, it really means so much to me.
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 I like the original title more. But I'm the sort of person who loves titles like "The Growth of Biological Thought," or "Fearful Symmetry: A Study of William Blake," or "Ommateum with Doxology." You know, real technical-sounding nerd stuff. ;)
You have certainly surprised me with that response, and of course sent me running to look up "Ommateum with Doxology" and start reading about A.R. Ammons lol.
i jut discovered your channel, and i love u, lol
Thank you, you just made my day :-)
Super interesting, Eleanor! Thank you for sharing :) One of the reasons Rupi Kaur's poetry, is not really my thing, is that it feels rather pedantic. It feels as if she is teaching us something, that it is supposed to have this transformative effect, while the ideas conveyed are sometimes quite standard in my opinion. The connection you make with aphorisms clarifies this idea for me because aphorisms generally deal with common truths.
Thanks for watching and commenting, it makes a huge difference to me. I'm so happy that you understood (and were interested in) my thoughts. Interrogating aphorisms in or outside of poetry is my new fascination it seems.... I never would have expected that a week ago!
Finding an intersection between poetry and aphorisms-that IS exciting. Like you, I have struggled to understand Rupi Kaur’s popularity. If she would convey her aphorisms at a slant, I probably wouldn’t find her poems boring.
Thanks, Lindy. I appreciate your encouragement, especially as it felt ... well ... almost blasphemous to compare Kaur to Dickinson. Making it slant does indeed make it more interesting, ED had a good point lol.
Found this video fascinating - I'm just becoming deeply interested in aphorisms as I've a writer and am wondering how far and in what way they are poetic. And the difference between aphorism, epigram, Tanka, the American sentence, proverb. Thank you for the resources mentioned.
I'm so pleased, thanks for letting me know. I especially appreciate the similar / overlapping forms that you list.
In my Dickinson class a few days ago I had the opportunity to ask the teacher whether ED's "assertions" could be correctly labelled "aphorisms" and he replied with a resounding affirmative. He compared her aphorisms to those found in Shakespeare and the Bible. I thought you might find that interesting.
Best of luck with your writing, I'm so thankful for your presence here. Regards, Eleanor.
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 that's so interesting about 'assertions' too, especially given Dickinson's family and friend links to preachers. Interesting to compare to visual artist Jenny Holzer's first art project, "Truisms". Perhaps all this stems from a latent teaching or preaching gift.
Oh! Thank you for introducing me to Jenny Holzer - I just looked her up and she is fantastic, exactly the kind of work that gets me thinking in new & different ways about words / art / poetry.
What you write about a "latent teaching / preaching gift" is also helping & inspiring me. Firstly, I suddenly realised that Rupi Kaur has been heavily influenced by her own Sikh background. Secondly, your words have illuminated the negativity I often feel when coming across a preaching tone in poetry, and how that is a prejudice that may well be better overcome so as to truly understand certain poets.
Thank you so much, my head is spinning with new ideas thanks to you.
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 You might also like Jean-Michel Basquiat, who used a lot of text and erasure poetry in his large-scale paintings: painting a word then stroking it out to make you notice it more. For video/film poetry, a great field survey book would be Sarah Tremlett "The poetics of Poetry Film: Film poetry, videopoetry, lyric voice, reflection". Intellect Books, 2021.
@heathergregg9975 Thank you so much! I appreciate you taking the time to recommend these to me. Warm regards, Eleanor.
Eleonor, before I watch the video: I'm going to make a wild guess: the connective tissue is that they are all in the title? If that is the wrong answer, then I must watch your video and educate myself. (Who is kidding? I'm going to watch it anyway.)
Ha, you had me laughing out loud! Thank you! No, no, I promise it's definitely not clickbait. It's just that my original title "A brief analysis of the use of aphorisms in poetry" sounded terribly dull. Oops ... that was a spoiler ;-)
Thanks for being here and commenting, it really means so much to me.
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 I like the original title more. But I'm the sort of person who loves titles like "The Growth of Biological Thought," or "Fearful Symmetry: A Study of William Blake," or "Ommateum with Doxology." You know, real technical-sounding nerd stuff. ;)
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 There's a really wonderful book on aphorisms by James Geary. In fact, I've liked many of his books over the years.
You have certainly surprised me with that response, and of course sent me running to look up "Ommateum with Doxology" and start reading about A.R. Ammons lol.
@@theonlyrealproperty2567 Ammons is one of my favorite poets. "Sphere: The Form of a Motion" has got to be one of my favorite books of all time.