Why Yngwie didn't get commercial success in the US, Turner saved Yngwie, Yngwie doesn't like singers
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- This is my new video about Yngwie Malmsteen and his relationship with vocalist Joe Lynn Turner. Why Malmsteen didn't become huge in the US.
I've just realized why Yngwie pushed his backing band to the corner. Because Yngwie runs around on stage a lot, he does Kung Fu kicks, he kicks picks, throws his guitar into the air. And there's not enough space on stage, the stages are too small these days. And that's why his backing dudes have to stay in the corner to be safe. They are not punished or something one might think.
Your right, when playing CLUB'S stages are smaller!
Professional Rock musicians don't stand all together at the front, at the same time. How do you think Angus Young, Kiss, Van Halen etc etc etc played small stages?
Wrong! My best friend played bass for him from 2012-2017, and I KNOW firsthand that you're coping. Yngwie is a MEGALOMANIAC who is INSECURE, and his Owner/manager/wife is in his ear telling him that the band is trying to "steal his thunder" and "ride his coattails to a career" and shit like that. (which he believes hook line n'sinker) He pushes them in the corner, because HE is the star, it is NOT a band, and the only reason they're there, is because he KNOWS no one will come see him play to backing tracks, because believe me, if he could he would! He even told my friend (and all band memebers) they are no longer permitted to wear their hair down for shows, they must wear it in a pony tail. He's just an insecure, washed up, out of touch DOUCHE BAG, He extended no professional courtesy, did not ever pay the band on time, (if ever). The reason he gets the unknown LOCAL players off the street, is because he maintains superiority in the transaction. He dosen't allow contract negotiations, will not sign a commitment, and dosent give a shit about them, and said over and over, " I got guys waiting to PAY ME to play with me, so go ahead and quit if you don't like it" My friend told me the story of how he tried so hard to do the best he could for Yngwie and the fans, and play and SING the songs as true to the album as possible, no matter who the vocalist was he was covering. He sang JLT songs, Ripper's songs, Doogie white songs, and when he started getting good reviews, Yngwie and his wife started abusing the poor guy, pushed him back of the stage, up against Yngwies amp cab and the drummers cymbals, and with only ONE floor wedge to hear himself, causing him to strain and damage his vocal chords. Then, Yngwie changed the set list, and he took away verses from my friend, every song became Verse, Chorus, Guitar solo, end of song or segue into new one and repeat. After one tour of this bullshit, my friend quit the band, and it left such a bad tadte in his mouth, he no longer even plays music. Yngwie didn't get success in America, not because the label didn't push him, it's because he's an ASSHOLE, BURNS EVERY BRIDGE he crosses, and NO ONE LIKES HIM. PERIOD.
P.S. Also, the band he has all currently live with their mothers still, and or work full time jobs to be in his band, because the 100$ per day, paid three to six months later, (if at all) sure as fuck ain't enough to make a living. I could go on and on......
NO TRUE SOLD OUT 3000 seats EVERY SINGE NIGHT @@dr.roberts4508
Yngwie absolutely has a point about his label screwing him in the US. And it’s certainly making a sweeping generalisation to suggest the singers didn’t contribute anything. Joe is credited on many songs, as was Jeff Scot Soto on Marching Out and Goran Edman on Eclipse. Plus Yngwie himself said many times he despised Joe’s “ooh baby” lyrics.
Mark Boals was happy as a hired gun and sing Yngwie’s parts, but he has stated Jens wrote a lot of keyboard parts for Trilogy, while Mats Olausson was a great guy who helped Yngwie a lot and never got any credit.
He dislikes hiring singers for his solo career. Alcatrazz and Steeler were not the focus of Yngwie being unhappy with singers he has personally hired, not worked with for those bands.
Odyssey was SO GOOD.
it's perfection.. never tire of it....
Joe Lynn Turner was the best thing to happen to Yngwie
Joe Lynn Turner definitely saved Yngwie's life in getting Polygram to cover his more-expensive care. Yngwie is totally correct about Polygram promoting him badly - Yngwie delivered many, many potential hits for the label in the 80s and early 90s, and Polygram failed to promote them at radio or provide adequate budgets for videos. "Odyssey" was loaded with hits, as was "Eclipse."
I'm not sure about Polygram promoting Yngwie badly, maybe they did their best for Yngwie. Obviously Bon Jovi and Def Leppard were a lot more popular than what Yngwie did. Polygram invited Joe Lynn Turner to make Yngwie's music more accessible but evetually Yngwie wasn't happy.
Eclipse was actually a gold record .
With Gorham Edmund on vocals . JLT is also not European that may also be a clash with the yng man
@@johnmcminn9455 Which country did Eclipse go gold in? I've never been able to find a good source onine that shows the total sales for each of his albums. I know Fire & Ice went platinum in Japan, also with the great Goran Edman. But I think Odyssey outsold Eclipse here in America (although Eclipse and Trilogy are my favorite Yngwie records).
@robertdyerofficial the source is Wiki pedia .
But my friend at chaotic records had Gorham Edmunds band Senior Management on a distribution deal
And Gorham actually sued YJM for the royalties as a cowriter on Eclipse and won 75k dollars . Later April called up Gorham and asked if he wanted to sing for YJM again .he declined .
That is just the way the biz goes with an unknown artist working with a name brand
@karsguitarchannel6088 yngwie has always believed Americans should not tell Europeans how to do music .
A lot of the American artists like Bon Jovi and Motley owe a debt to YJM for kicking through the iron curtin and having American bands in Russia. Yngwies father was russian special police and had rising force play at a peace festival making yngwie an ambassador of entertainment to them for that moment which allowed Bon Jovi and motley to be there .
Part of that deal was live in leningrad to be sold to the Russian government for 2000 dollars so that album could be affordable to the Russian people so it ended up selling 14 million copies in Russia ( at like 5 cents a copy) lol
Great songs on there Dreaming, Rising Force, Heaven Tonight. Turner's vocals were so perfect on that recording.
Great channel and videos Kar!
Many thanks Jimmy, much appreciated!!
There is no doubt Yngwie is a Guitar God. For every guy that makes fun of him there are a couple dozen that dream of playing even remotely like him. Yngwies liquidy fluent speed picking and his grasp of neo Classical scales makes him one of the best period. His problem is he doesn't take direction well nor believes in musical compromising which are 2 almost certain requirements in most of the bands who made it commercially.
Excellent Kar !!
Thx and keep Rockin.✌️
Hi Scott, many thanks!! Have an awesome day!
🎸🙋♀️LOVE THEM BOTH! So glad they made the masterpieces they did. Odyssey is incredible! Everything they’ve both done with other musicians is incredible! Don’t care about negative gossip.
Much thx to Kar’s! Love your channel!🤩
Many thanks!!!
Being the greatest guitarist in the world,and if u disagree listen to his albums or look up when he played with the Japanese or Chinese Orchestra,simply amazing,the Rising Force album blew me away,I saw him back in the 80’s and it was one of the best shows I’ve ever seen,yes,he’s full of himself but he wants Perfection and there’s nothing wrong with that
Batio is better just as fast techniques wise he's better
Both Yngwie and Joe have some truth to what they say. However, at the end of the day, Joe is the one with more positive remarks about him being down to earth. Of course they are both arrogant just like most rock stars are, but Yngwie’s arrogance is legendary 🤷🏻♂️. There is no “team” in Yngwie’s world 😂
People can bag malmsteen out as much as they want but the guy has mad some phenomenal music weather he got on with people or not . We didn’t buy the albums to hear his personality we bought them to enjoy what he created and the bulk of it was high calibre musicianship. Malmsteen made more people want a strat than any other strat player .
Incorrect. Eric Clapton did
Umm... Hendrix. The average person has know idea who this guy is and they'd hate his music if they did
In the 80's people started losing interest in strats, people wanted Kramer guitars and other Floyd Rose guitars but thanks to Yngwie, people started to love and buy strats again.
@@karsguitarchannel6088 No. Hard rock and metal players had lost interest. Everybody else didn't. As soon as Fender started to make better-quality guitars again under Bill Schultz, they were back. Yngwie didn't exist in a vacuum. He existed in the same industry as Clapton, Knopfler, SRV from 1983 on, The Edge, Robert Cray from 1986 on, etc.
Everybody who bought a Malmsteen signature would have bought a '70s strat and put DiMarzios in if they hadn't become available. People loved Malmsteen for a while because he was Blackmore on steroids for the '80s. Without Ritchie's template, Yngwie would have never had a career in the US.
Joe and Yngwie had Gold in their hands! Had. It is indeed the best work I ever heard on album but also on Stage in Zwolle Netherlands. I was at front with my lovely Blond Wife ( ha ha Yngvar Malsten)
And it was absolutely fantastic concert. I later got hands on two bootleg tapes that where recorded under the stage. You can hear people changing the cassette tapes during the concert. The Band was on fire.
Couple of years Later I saw Yngwie in another venue and I could not stop laughing how he acted and introduced his wife on stage etc etc . Elvis on guitar that’s what I thought back then.
I think now he gets older he gets a little wiser. Saw some intervieuws and he acts normal now. So the star has evolved and he is still a live and playing. But Yngwie: form a normal band with a good : ego, drugs and alcohol free leadsinger. And Joe! A fantastic performer 100% musician ! 👌
No music label would allocate the same amount of money to Yngwie that they would for a band like Bon Jovi. The latter was financially viable, the former wasn't. Yngwie will go down in history, however, his style of music had a short shelf life. Check out the interview he did with Rick Beato, it was great.
I agree, Yngwie was a guitar prodigy but what he did was rather for guitar players and Bon Jovi and Def Leppard were much more accessible for the masses.
That's exactly the thing; shredding and complex arrangements will always appeal more to fellow musicians than to the average fan, who isn't a musician.@@karsguitarchannel6088
I think the short life span can be attributed in part to the cavalcade of imitators that labels scoured the planet for in the 80s. If Yngwie was given the room to do his thing, and evolved instead of sticking to his formula, he'd still be relevant.
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Odyssey was a great album, maybe not 100% true to Yngwie's vision, but great nonetheless. In order to be commercially viable, you HAVE to write material that the masses will resonate to/with. Metallica didn't make it into the big leagues until they released their self titled album, why? Thrash metal is a niche, just like neo-calssical metal is a niche, most people like something with a groove in it (as it pertains to rock music), thrash has very little groove, so the Metallica boys incorporated that into their style and they became the biggest heavy band of all time.
I think the reason why Yngwie does it the way he does now is because his music isn't financially viable, so he and his wife try to cut costs where they can, instead of admitting to themselves that getting a singer like JLT, and actually COLLABORATING will do them much better. It's a pride thing I think.
Looks like Yngwie realized that people come to watch his virtuoso playing no matter who plays with him on stage. So he doesn't care about having a great band or team up with big stars. But the whole thing looks really poor. I think all the fans would like him to put up a well structured show, follow the songs accordingly and playing the guitar parts properly. He doesn't have to run around that much on stage and kick picks at the crowd that often.
Yngwie makes me ashamed to be from Scandinavia.🤮. He is guitar world'd answer to Steven Segal..
hes from sweden though...?
I think yngwie peaked around 88-90. I saw them with turner on the Odyssey tour in St Davids hall Cardiff and it was amazing. Four years later in Glasgow with Goran and the quality was not there.
He didn't find commercial success because his songs aren't very good. God-level guitar technique but his songs sound like they were written just to give him a reason to play a guitar solo. His shows aren't good either. His band is on the side of the stage while he stands in the middle shredding for 45 minutes. As a guitarist I have DEEP respect for his ability, but not how he uses it. It's so niche.
Yes but why Yngwie pushed his backing band to the corner. Because Yngwie runs around on stage a lot, he does Kung Fu kicks, he kicks picks, throws his guitar into the air. And there's not enough space on stage, the stages are too small these days. And that's why his backing dudes have to stay in the corner to be safe. They are not punished or something.
@@karsguitarchannel6088 yeah, I disagree. It appears he is saying "this is MY show, so stay out of sight." That's the vibe I get when I watch it. Not many people are into that. Even other guitarists.
I can see why you would say that, but do you not think any of his music was good? Especially his earlier albums like odyssey?
Joe Lynn Turner was the best Singer he ever had. The fellow on his eclipse album was really good also. Yngwie has a massive problem taking a backseat to singers due to ego issues. Singers that are really good and have a great voice always get the attention on the commercial platform and Yngwie just wasn't mature and smart enough to genuinely accept this. Sad part he is still the same way. Always want to be the center of attention.
I am all about melody and a good groove. As far as i am concern after his 2005 "Unleash the fury" album he hasn't released any albums with at least 1 song on them that deserve repeat listening. 🤨
It seems like he just creates his songs now for warp speed soloing all over the damn things.
Repeating the same thing over and over.🤨
I have all the albums below and from each they all have great songs that i can listen to over and over.
ODYSSEY ALBUM (1988)
My favorite yngwie album
Hold On
Crystal Ball
Heaven Tonight
Déjà Vu
Dreaming (Tell Me)
Now Is the Time
RISING FORCE ALBUM(1984)
Black Star
Far Beyond the Sun
MARCHING OUT ALBUM (1985)
Marching Out
On the run again
Soldier Without Faith
I'll See the Light Tonight
Don't Let It End
I Am a Viking
TRILOGY ALBUM (1986)
You Don't Remember, I'll never forget
Queen In Love
Crying
Fire
Magic Mirror
Trilogy Suite Op: 5
ECLIPSE ALBUM (1990)
Judas
Making Love
Bedroom Eyes
What Do
What do you want
FIRE & ICE ALBUM (1992)
Teaser
Dragonfly
Fire & Ice
THE SEVENTH SIGN (1994)
Hairtrigger
Bad Blood
Meant to Be
MAGNUM OPUS (1995)
No Love Lost
Cross the line
The Only One
Amberdawn
FACING THE ANIMAL (1997)
My Resurrection
Sacrifice
Facing the Animal
Another Time
Only the Strong
ALCHEMY ALBUM(1999)
Stand
Playing With Fire
UNLEASH THE FURY ALBUM (2005)
The Bogeyman
Russian Roulette
Cracking the Whip
I hope he spend a lil money before he retires and link up with a good producer to release an amazing memorable album. Something that have him playing soulfully like in the intro of his Crystal ball song.😊
You nailed it...
If Yngwie could tame his ego and share a presence on stage he probably could have hit the mainstream at some point with JLT but I guess it was never meant to be.
No explanation is really needed. Yngwie is a real talented guy but almost equally delusional. I've also seen live footage from Live in Leningrad that matches the album so I'm not sure of the claims about it being mostly overdubbed.
I agree, how do you overdub video of improvised solos? Probably all of the instruments and vocals were fixed in spots except the drums, which is pretty normal for a live rock album.
It's dubbed. Just watch real live recordings of Yngwie from that year (for example the video 'Live in Budokan, Tokyo 1988') and compare it to the 'Live in Leningrad 1988'. And if you watch the Live in Leningrad very closely, you'll notice it's dubbed. Besides Jens Johansson confirmed it.
@TS-lt2je Well, exactly honestly. If a record company is going to release a live album and charge money for it , most people wouldn't pay for how most life performances sound. So overdubbing of at least some tracks ( Usually vocals) is normal. I was always very fond of the version of Jimi hendrix's spanish castle magic on live in lenningrad. I saw it a couple years ago on youtube and it sounded/looked identical to me. Certainly Yngwies solo was the same. I might have to seek it out and watch it again.
@@karsguitarchannel6088 Watch the LIL version of Spanish castle magic. It was identical to the album when I watched it.
@@seric4546 I've just re-watched 'Live in Leningrad' and some other live recordings of Yngwie. I agree with you that not everything Yngwie played was dubbed, but they did fix some spots, cleaned up noise, stuff like that.
I had the same meeting with Jim Lewis a few years later. There was no money and no point so I said no thank you. Joe is 100% correct.
People always love to take shots at Malmsteen whenever possible yet he’s the guy that created the genre in which so many others try to play yet not want to give the guy credit. It’s kind of pathetic. Let’s not forget he’s still going to this day.
I seen Yngwie in 2003 on the G3 tour. I called it the 1977 Elvis Yngwie because he was extremely overweight. Yngwie is trying to be Jimi Hendrix and never will be.
Eclipse is a better record.
Better singer. Better lineup. Better songs. Better production.
It was simply released at the wrong time.
Odyssey was a great album that couldve actually started a great band. Then, just a rock guitarist playing for himself. With a small fan base.
No dude, those other two bands you mentioned had one thing Malmsteen never ever had. A single hit.
That's why they sold more albums. Hits, not finger exercises at mach speed.
What about "You don't remember I'll never forget", "Heaven Tonight", "Now it the Time", "Teaser", "Making Love"? Those were Yngwie's hit songs. Yngwie tried to write radio-friendly songs in the late 80's and early 90's. Maybe the thing is that the majority of people do not dig bands based on virtuoso guitar playing.
@@karsguitarchannel6088 ohh, I'm a guitar player. Of course I remember those hits. I'm just explaining why ever girl I ever asked if shes heard of Bon Jovi said excitedly "YES" and why if you ask any of them if they ever heard of him or ANY of those songs you listed they would get that far away look in the eyes like when a professor is talking or better yet answering anything important. example A.O.C.
You communicate the SOURCE of the conflict between Yngwie and Joe and don't realize it - You said that Joe said that his manager told Joe that Yngwie didn't write songs. So... Joe went into that musical relationship with that mentality. Joe began to write songs FOR Yngwie while Yngwie was in the hospital from a car crash. When Yngwie came to, Joe was like, "here are some songs," and Yngwie was like, "But I write my own songs," and Joe was like, "Yngwie's an arrogant control freak!" Truth is... Yngwie and Joe are both songwriters that couldn't collaborate in a consensually positive way...
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Yngwie recorded the tracks and when Joe Lynn Turner joined Yngwie, the tracks were ready. From what Joe said, I understand that when Yngwie was in the hospital, Joe listened to the tracks and sang to it. That's how he wrote the vocal melodies to the Yngwie's tracks and Joe also wrote the lyrics. Maybe Yngwie also had written some basic melodies to the songs before Joe Lynn Turner appeared. And I agree that Joe wanted to be a leader with Yngwie in the band. He wanted to be a team with Yngwie.
According to Joe, he said they broke up because of religious differences... yngwie thought he was God and Joe didn't... bon Jovi and yngwie are light years apart so there's no surprise, record companies promoted the pop hair bands over the overtly neo- classical yngwie.
Yngwie is the greatest guitarist ever. How do I know? Well, just ask him.
It always depends on who you have mentoring you that gets the job done, the first thing is very important which is you have to believe in yourself it must be planted in your skull before you are about 6 someone making you believe you are better than anyone else there
is no one that has your talent and taking that green spoon into scenarios where they can shine, you never instill confidence through punishment but personal reinforcement at a very young age if the child gets the impression they are flawed they will use that emotion to cover their weaknesses and even if they don't speak it the doubt festers inside and will let you down every time hiding it inside and no matter what anyone says it just seems impossible to convert leading to feelings of worthlessness and every effort just seems futile and robs the individual of any sense of accomplishment and real joy not the phony
joy of addiction which is no choice at all. Simply put, if you don't believe in yourself totally
nobody else will either, it's your job to sell yourself and that needs a well grounded individual who believes way more in themselves than anyone else and are able to relate
that confidence in themselves to others who can tell you are very serious and invincible..
He makes music for musicians. Unless you play an instrument too, you won't get it. That's why he never became mainstream.
I agree, you have to be a guitar player and if you're a fan of Deep Purple and Rainbow, you might also like Malmsteen's records.
Yngwie could not keep a decent singer around. Same with Blackmore. Rainbow was a shell of itself when DIO left. Ritchie could not keep a lead singer for any period of time and his music suffered because of it.
I don't agree. Graham Bonnet and Joe Lynn Turner were both better than Dio. Rainbow was fine without him. And they knew who the boss in Rainbow was, unlike Ronald Padova.
@@brenthatcher5748 good points
While Yngwie’s technical prowess on the fretboard is beyond the next level, he is just an a$$. I met him about 20 years ago through my work and asked if he would sign my son’s and my guitars. My son was just getting into guitar and I had purchased him a Johnson Strat copy. You should have seen the disgusted look on his face as he signed the entry level guitar. When I handed him my Fender Strat he said, “At least this one is a Fender.” What a class a jerk.
Not a bad song on that album.
"Why Yngwie didn't get commercial success in the US"? ..It took most Americans 10 years to figure out how to pronounce his name.😁
Malmsteen should get some driving lessons!
Oh this Chanel is deleting comments that is positive for Yngwie hahahaha....
Sorry but I don't delete comments, especially positive
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Yngwie couldn't write Radio friendly songs,I really didn't care for him. The one's that could are on the Airwaves. Joe proved he could.
Malmsteen was his worst enemy now he's singing lmfao!
Mouthstinks is a great guitarist but a workd class A hole
I dig his stuff but i will never pay to see him in concert
Yngwie is a Richard
Because 3 hour shredding guitar solos are boring as FU*K!!!!!!!
Virtuoso guitar playing is extremely boring. After 5 seconds I am done. I am not going to say that Yngwie isn't amazing. He is.
To say R.I P Edward Van Halen didn't help.
Another example of a gigantic ego swallowing a musician whole.
if JLT could write songs, I would have known it, he can't
The first Yngwie album where I hated his tone.
You don’t need to watch an 11 minute video on this. I’ll tell you why. He never had a hit song with a hook. America likes pop music.
What about "You don't remember I'll never forget", "Heaven Tonight", "Making Love", "Bedroom Eyes", "Dragonfly"? These were his hit songs for sure.
send him down to the comedy hospital?
to the county hospital
Yngwie also claims he doesn't sweep pick. Maybe he's really just that dumb.
He definitely sweep picks at times and he also does exactly what arpeggios are, which are broken chords and he alternate picks many of them at times. The dude that has the channel Music is Win demonstrated this in a video, how you can build the speed up with practice. Thing is when Yngwie came out there wasn't anyone really known for sweep picking. That name became popular after Yngwie became famous, so he probably never thought of it then the way we all do now.
I don't think this is true. Aren't there instructional videos of Yngwie on sweeping?
Well yngwie must really hate himself cause he just like those he was talking shit about go figure
Because his music is not radio-friendly. Bon Jovi's radio-friendly, Mötley Crüe's music is radio-friendly, Guns'n'Roses' music is radio-friendly, Europe's music is radio-friendly et caetera... Yngwie's music is more complex than that, in fact Guitar Heroes never reached big sales. Think about Chris Impellitteri, he's quite ignored in the U.S.A., his home, but a kind if god in Europe and Japan; Yngwie has always been THE god in Japan!!! As far as I can tell, Satriani's "Surfing With the Alien" is the only album that made it big...
But Yngwie's songs like "You don't remember I'l never forget", "Heaven Tonight", "Now it the Time", "Teaser", "Making Love" are radio-friendly. Yngwie wrote many radio-friendly songs in the late 80's and early 90's.
@@karsguitarchannel6088 yes, "Odyssey" is an example of what you say, actually his most commercially successful album, but his audience is mostly composed of "techinician" when it comes to hid style. Having a radio-friendly song on an album doesn't make someone a radio-friendly artist, doesn't make someone like Bon Jovi, just to name one, whose full discography goes in that direction.
Van Halen guitar hero
Just goes to show that a prima-donna guitarist without a talented band doesn't do much for most people. I'll take EVH in Van Halen or Randy Rhoads with Ozzy all day, every day. Crazy guitar without some kind of melody only appeals to wanna be guitar hacks.
Stage can only hold a certain amount of Ego on them.... Yngwie is a great guitarist, but over plays too much and it gets old fast.....
YJM is a guitar legend, a god.
Me and my friend rode our bikes to Yngwie's house in Woodland Hills California and due the the car accident he was in, his girlfriend came to the door, told us he wasn't feeling well and gave us some Yngwie Malmsteen picks. TRUE STORY
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I love Yngwie, but he is the epitome of self absorbed. I’m more inclined to believe what Turner is saying. At the same time his self absorption is also his strength. Craziness!
I would be too, but then I remember the story of the singer who thought *HE* was the star while performing alongside (the fellow huge ego) Ted Nugent, and it reminds me that it is, in fact, possible for a supporting member to completely lose the plot. As such, I wait until I've cross referenced claims and players.
Turner is an asshole and a dumb whiny bitch, in many respects. And I'd still believe his side of the story over Yngwie's, all day, every day. Because I haven't been in a coma for the last forty years and I'm not in a cult.
Totally, Yngwie is well known for being a bit of an ass and very hard to work with
Joe Lynn turner was a proven song writer. Listen to that album and it sounds like Rainbow with JLT except for the Yngwie solos. Listen to any other Yngwie record and it sounds like completely different compositionally whether he wrote it or not. Joe Lyn Turner is the one telling the truth.
@@wordragon I'd have to agree. The vocal melodies are quite different from his other albums, it's right there for everyone to hear. We've noticed and talked about this years ago.
Yngwie has always been full of himself and not easy to get along with. Despite Turner being in a difficult situation, they still managed to write some very memorable material, among Malmsteen’s finest. His music now has become a bit of a joke. Which proves what JLT was saying is correct.
To be fair, Yngwie still tours the planet, Turner does not.
Yngve is unswedish
Who are you again?
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When people are extremely passionate about something, it comes off as being a douche.
It says on the wiki page for the Odyssey album "all lyrics are written by Joe Lynn Turner", so apparently it's true.
And Joe says he wrote the vocal melodies as well
@@karsguitarchannel6088 -Why does that album, or at least many songs, sound like JLT with Rainbow except for the solos? I don't think any other Yngwie album sounds close to that style. That should be the smoking gun on who wrote what.
His shredding gets annoying after 5 minutes.. there ya go
You can handle 5 minutes? 30 seconds and im looking for an ice pick to jam In my ear
The Johansen brothers were great
Yes but they behaved like little kids & caused constant debauchery on tour.
@@andrewbroughton65 we did some European dates opening for this line up in 1988, the brothers approached us and were very cool to us,
never tried to meet Yngwie.
If you want to know exactly how much JLT helped out on Odyssey just listen to it back to back with his follow up album without Joe (Eclipse). Odyssey sounded like a big record (and it turned out to be his biggest hit). Eclipse sounded like a badly recorded demo with lyrics written by a 12 year-old.
Yngwie had some great singers and couldn’t maintain decent relationships with any of them . There is a very strong pattern there . Too bad Yngwie can’t work well with others. I think his best material was when he collaborated with great singers.
Odyssey and Alcatraz were awesome collaborations!!
yngwie is his own worst enemy. very poorly managed career as well
He's basically a shredder. Limited niche market, probably smaller than the Blues.
True
Way smaller than the blues. Towns all throughout the country have blues festivals. Shred festivals not so much
Got it. Thanks for the info.
Tell that to Polyphia.
Not even remotely similar. Henson can do it all and is an excellent composer. LePage is a gifted guitarist as well.
The reason Yngwie has not achieved commercial success is because his music lacks groove. It has a lot of great melody and hooks, but doesn’t make people want to move. It always has that marching type of rhythm. I respect him for sticking to his music ideals where everything has to have a classical influence. But that prevents him from reaching a wider audience.
Sure there have been some bands with classically influenced hits, like Final Countdown by Europe, but they are always one-hit wonders. Pop music needs to make people want to dance.
Interesting... Can you expand on that thought? Any examples? Like, does Deep Purple have a groove? Rainbow? Black Sabbath?
@@LocoCocoJorge Deep Purple and Rainbow had a bit more groove than Yngwie and Sabbath. Songs like Smoke on the Water and Highway Star are some of the most famous songs of all time. But none of those bands had the same chart success as ACDC or Bon Jovi.
Yngwie never really distinguished himself from his influences except in his groundbreaking lead playing. Take away the guitar solos, and his music just sounds like Deep Purple or early Scorpions.
@@LocoCocoJorge Strange Kinda Woman, Can't Happen Here, and The Wizard.
David Lee Roth said the same thing about groove
JLT, made the Oddessy album
I saw Yngwie live, when they played Heaven Tonight, the lights went out, and those beginning vocals were backing tracks. It just came across that they didn't know what Joe did to create that. If Yngwie wrote it, then TRY to replicate it live.
BTW, IMO Odyssey was the best Yngwie album. Never the same after Joe left.
Yes those begining vocals on 'Heaven Tonight' sound amazing and catchy! Sounds like Queen
They didn't know? Everyone with an ear knows.
@@forelectricstring8833 "Everyone with an ear knows"? Ok then, sing it. You do videos, show me.
@@NealVio sing It? I mean that you can hear each vocal line. They used backing track because they wanted to or were lazy to sing it (badly) or play with guitar/keyboards (and no words). But they knew the actual notes, if composed by Turner.
Mark boals was my favourite malmsteen vocalist. Love his voice
Odyssey does sound like a Rainbow album. Yngwie loved Rainbow.
Odyssey is an incredible album, my favorite Yngwie album, to be sure. Something about Yngwie's guitar and Turner's voice meshed well together.
Yngwie and Dave Mustaine should hang out together.
Pretty rude of a fan to paint rip EVH on a flag....Eddie has always been my king...love malmsteen...but never do that😣
35 years 🎂 Odyssey was great 👍 I prefer Heaven Tonight. Written by Joe Lynn Turner and Yngwie Malnsteen.
Aside. I wished that Joe Lynn Turner succeeded Steve Perry for Journey. But later on Neal Schon discovered Arnel Pineda, who is younger.
Saw these two on the Oddysey tour at Toad's Place, New Haven. There was a snowstorn that night. A few of you may recall that at the conclusion of the main set someone threw a drink at Yngwie, resulting in A) a severe beating for the miscreant at the hands of security staff, and B) they played no encore that night (bummer). I agree with Joe's ruminations. All the pieces were in place then. Yngvwie's playing was the finest I've ever seen and I've seen them all. Yngvwie put on a neoclassical guitar clinic that night, wielding his Stratocaster like a Stradivarius, and Joe was in perfect voice. I recall having never experienced that quality of guitar playing before anywhere, and Heaven Tonight was a killer, monster hit.
It's ironic because I met Joe Lynn Turner AT toads place in NH , CT. But through some friends. He was very cool and I had to ask what's it like playing with yngwie ? He says " well , yngwie is yngwie .... " And kind of sighed . I was pretty sure he wouldn't say hey it was great because by now , Joe was done with YJM. GREAT subject for this channel 👍
Lol, I am from Branford. Was at Toad's that night. Turner's wig looked really bade.
Joe Lynn Turner is great. He saved Rainbow and Yngwie.
Where is Rainbow? Where is JLT?
Actually Rainbow was doing fine. Even though the Dio albums were great, the AOR era was what put Rainbow on charts and commercial success. Graham Bonnet started it with Down To Earth and after he and Cozy Powell left JLT just continued on.
@@Communism.is.a.cancer Well Rainbow as it is now is a total fake
It does not matter how good you can be, but if you're so arrogant that you think the whole world spins around you. Most definitely you will become just a memory of the past, Yngwie.
every famous person thinks the world spins around them, yjm isn't alone.....
Exactly, look at hollyweird. 😊
And who are you?
Not an Idiot like you!@@Communism.is.a.cancer
@@divusgamer853 and now in English so that everyone can understand?
People confuse determination to arrogance.
indeed. i would add "drive" to the list of words that can describe YJM.
No, they don't! Those two aren't mutually exclusive.
That’s probably my favorite Yngwie album. The live album blew me away back then but I rarely listen to it nowadays
I saw Yngwie live on the Trilogy tour and he is absolutely one of greatest guitarists ever… that said I think that his backing musicians/bands have usually been subdued- to be polite, like a prop and even the singer. But as I remember his keyboard player Jens occasionally had a solo and a little light on him 👍
Virtuosos come with quirks(or personality disorders).
They're all a bit crazy. Rhoads seemed to be the outlier in that average, butt there's not a lot of video of his interactions with press. EVH's interviews are all insane.
Paul Gilbert's a pretty well adjusted guy as far as I can tell. Was super nice to me at one of his clinics that I attended, anyways.
You've never seen or met Paul Gilbert, Michael Angelo Batio or Guthrie Govan. They are the nicest coolest sincere humble guys at the top virtuoso level.
@@reachblowsdick7222 I never said they were all jerks. I said quirky.
Those guys seem like alright guys, but they're all a little weird.
@@GorditoCrunch343 that's because he stopped playing crazy shred!
Except that Yngwie had written Rising Force main riff and arpeggio interlude when he was 15. You can see him playing in Sweden gigs in the late 70s, early 80s. Also, I doubt JLT would have written something like Krakatau and Riot In The Dungeons.
That's true but look (listen) to the difference between Odyssey and the follow up album without JLT - Eclipse. Inferior in every way. Sound production was horrible and the drums are among the worst sounding ever recorded. Yngwie even admitted a long time ago around the time of the release that he struggled to write and complete it. More-so than any other album up to that point. I dig both Yngwie and JLT but I feel/believe JLT did give him a big hand in writing odyssey. At least lyrics and vocal melodies. Krakatau was an instrumental (and one of his worst) so he wouldn't need any involvement from Joe (same on memories) but I would bet JLT at least helped polish Riot in the Dungeons.
@@incarnate6779That's your opinion. Many other people like Krakatau and memories. Eclipse is a great album although maybe it's not as accessible like the one prior. But he used to work with other musicians back then. What's bad is his albums after the 2010's. Now he wants to do everything himself. And i couldn't even finish listening to one song.
@@julioangeloLAWOD You're right on both things. I guess my issue with Eclipse is more that it was the end of the original "Rising Force" line up. I honestly didn't mind so much him firing JLT (he couldn't really hit the high notes on the Boals and Soto songs) but the Johansson Brothers were a big part of his sound, again, IMO. And I felt things only went downhill. Although I do really really like the song "Motherless Child" - it's a shame he won't play ANY songs from Eclipse or Fire & Ice these days live (I can only fathom it has something to do with the singer Goran Edman?). But, yeah, man, I still would listen to Eclipse over any of the turds he released in the past 10 years.
@@incarnate6779 True. Yngwie with the Johansson brothers had a vibe and sound that was just different. I like a lot of his 90's works but It was never the same with the original line up.
It wasn’t just the label doin’ the screwing. The radio stations,particularly in 1986, were Top 40 primarily tuned to the milk drinkers of music. Even when they played snippets of Yngwie’s playing to promote a concert, ery few actually broadcast the albums. There was an effort to keep him down and pass him by.
If that's the way it is you have to adapt to make it work like other hard rock bands did. Van Halen made top 40 hits in 1986 like "Why Can't This Be Love", plenty of hairbands did obviously. I like a lot of Yngwie's songs but you can't play Swedish power metal and expect the U.S. top 40 to care about it. He'd have to do something similar to what Scorpions did back then to have a hit or maybe Europe...
@@mikesteelheart I saw and heard all the newly shined vag badges of the mentioned but it’s ironic you bring up Van Halen. Yngwie sent him right into Top 40 panic when Ed realized his reign was done.
And Max Middleton he wasn’t.
Grew up and started playing guitar around 84. Was always a hard rock fan but was never a fan of this style of playing. Its amazing (for a few minutes).
As Ben Eller said (paraphrasing) when talking about EVH vs other virtuoso guitarists such as Malmsteen, ‘its one thing to have a Ferrari and incredible engine, if you don’t have wheels, you’re not going anywhere! Songwriting and melody are the wheels. EVH had the whole car!’
So did others. Yngwie is all flash and no soul.
Only Eddie didn't write everything just guitar parts.
evh isn’t on the same level as yjm’s playing.
maybe Americans like EVH songs, But other nations only like Jump and more to Yngwie...
And Eddy needed DLR. otherwise he might have had Satrianis, Vais or Malmsteens career. Not bad careers by any means, but not what Eddy had
Steeler and Odyssey are his most commercial situations
There is no I in team. But there is Me in team. The team is me, just me. LOL 😆
Yngwie never really achieved major commercial success in the US purely because his music is the kind that would never even hope to achieve such a thing. The quality aside, as that's subjective really, the whole neo-classical guitar shred thing really only appeals to other guitar players.
I believe JLT wrote all the lyrics and Melodies. Its the only truly catchy Yngwie album.
I remember my senior buddy driving me to see Yngwie in Santa Clara Ca at like 15 yrs old. We saw him standing in front of a Dennys and he asked us for a ride cuz the Limo was late or something…. But then they pulled up so it didnt happen 😂.
Back when Cali was cool and the industry signed bands
I agree with Joe. Odyssey is an amazing album. It is surely in my top ten favorites of that era!
🎸🙋♀️Me too!
Hold On was the best on the album
Great video 😮 still a Master
I would say that from Alcatrazz to Marching Out was his shining moment in time. He should have side - lined his solo project after that and got in with an established band or created one with some known players ( lol but we know that he can't work with others ). Yng and Billy Sheehan should have been the DLR band , or something. I wish I could have been at the first Rising Force - Talas show , I'll bet Yngwie and Billy were both blow away ( by one another ).
Interesting memory from this subject : The mall where I lived would play Rising Force as the background music throughout the mall back in 84 - 85 . Crowded with shoppers from all walks of life and hearing " Now Your Ships Are Burned " playing all over , ...good times .
Yngwie is an ego maniac.
Odissey is a great album, but my favorite is Marching Out.
Anyway, Yngwie is a caricature of the brilliant guy he was in the 80's and part of 90's. I would not pay a penny to see him live nowadays...his show is weird, I do not see any passion, just some strange and mechanical caricature of the great musician of the 80's.
PS - I have a Yngwie Signature guitar, that's a beast, fantastic guitar. Malmsteen is one of my favorite ones, a legend. Hope he find his path to new and great albums.
I have said for 30+ years about him and the few others like him they are amazing players but after 5 mins of saying, this is incredible it all starts to sound the same with no heart and no soul. Its big yawn. 90% of people feel the same way and especially women. There aren't enough guitar nerds to buy millions of his records. If your music is great and the timing is right, the people will buy your music.
Even I bought one of his albums in the mid eighties and I definitely wasn't into metal. Notwithstanding his attitude, he's sure taken his career pretty far.
Hold on,...Oddessy didn't launch Yngwie's career. Where did that come from? I personally don't think it was his finest work either.
I was listening to rock before Joe Lynn was with yngwie. We were all metal fans, but none of could listen to any yngwie albums other than Odyssey. Maybe 4 or 5 songs from other albums and that's it.
My buddy went to Lynch and Malmsteen at the starland ballroom in the 2000s something. Said a lot of people were leaving during his set. Same thing over and over while watching a fat dude sweating all over the place.
Not sure how he affords his lifestyle. I'm quite certain i make more than he does and i don't have rolexes and Ferraris. He must have had a great investment guy 😂
Well I think Yngwie gets good money from royalties. He was big in Japan, in Sweden and he still has lots of fans all over the world. I don't know if he can buy a Ferrari these days. I think it's not easy days now. But Yngwie runs a youtube channel. He has 296K subscribers and 87 million views overall which is very good. And he also tours.
LITERALLY ONE OF THE BEST THINGS TO HAPPEN FOR HIS CAREER AND LIFE. They should have stayed together but no he has to be in the spotlight 100% of the time
It's too bad Yngwie is so difficult to deal with, cause we could have had more albums from the two great singers, Turner and Jeff Scott Soto.
He doesn't need them, they need him He is thriving last album 89 on billboard charts Jeff Bezos used his instrumental songs on Blue Origin no Turner and Jeff Scott Soto.vocal songs hahaha....2 million views ins interviews th-cam.com/video/vznSu-BHyVA/w-d-xo.html