So strange, I have a Landor Arms BPX 902 and I swear the features are all nearly identical to this even that magazine feature of mounting to the rail!!
I got my gen 2 last week and took it to the range. I tried slugs, Turkey shot and a few home defence rounds. The gun performed well with all. I did read the manual on 1250 fps min. The sights are too low so I am raising them .5 and getting a softer recoil absorbing rubber on the stock. No special optics or anything. Possibly a flashlight. I really enjoyed shooting the gun. The magazines loosened up as I used them. I did purchase the 10 round mag as well and it functioned perfectly and I do suggest the extra purchase. Overall love the look and the function of my new bp12. PS I switched the Charging handle to the left side to keep my right hand on the grip. I will see how it works with my new sling and at the range.
Being a longtime gen 1 owner, I've always expressed my disdain for AR style charging. It's clumsy and awkward. So I like that the gen2 has done away with it, however as you pointed out you lost the rise necessary to get a decent sight picture. This is not a big issue since you are going come to the conclusion very soon, to throw those cheap flip up sights in the trash and put on a red dot with a 1 inch riser. I agree that something seems wrong with your gas block flopping around while charged.
I used black aces 9 shot buck defense no hange up and federal target load 7 1/2 3 hang ups until I ran a few load.Will be buying more black aces 2 3/4 00 buck..ran flawlwss.I think you need at lest 1400 for it to function smoothly.The federal was 1300+ had a few FTE.Had some boxes of Fiocchi home defense buck low 1300fps and had a lot of FTE... Very soft casings.
I just bought my Gen 2 Panzer, it came with two extra chokes in a little compartment, also a high velocity piston. (H.V.) The gun comes with a standard piston but it says after Breaking in the gun to change to the high velocity piston. Did you also get this in yours? Does your manual say the same thing? It says it is important that you use this piston for any ammunition that is 1350 ft./s and above.
Do a video changing to the hv piston when you get to that stage! Got mine two weeks ago. New to shotguns and bullpups, so like to watch videos about it. Yours was first gen2 ive come across. Thank you for posting!
I have the 1st gen, second time at range, the nipple that connects to the upper charging handle came off inside the gun wile shooting and the bolt was cracked. I had all the parts replaced by PANZER ARMS USA within a week. They send me the complete upper receiver assembly including barrel. The only difference is the bolt wish is the same as the gen2 bolt. After I took it back to the range and put 200 rounds assorted ammo and rapid fired without a single malfunction. Look up my vids.
I had the barrel nut strip the upper receiver. Ended up paying someone rethread and pin a new nut on. Panzer Arms was not responding to months of emails and phone calls
@@freedomisntfree9960 oh man that’s bad!!! hope your shotgun it’s fine now. Sorry to heard about your experience with customer service. I hope not to deal with any more problems with mine.
The response I got from Panzar gen 1 vs gen 2.No upper charging handle, it includes chokes, an updated bolt and interchangeable gas system.Picked up a Gen 2 myself.The sights are not bad, I also put Reddot on it as well.I do like the new look of the 5rd magazine, looking to purchase 2 more.I also purchased a 20rd drum as well.
Its free floating as well..Thats no worries as its norm for how it has to cycle rounds..Guns is solid. Pushing it dwn range made a believer out of me..
Congrats on the first and only review of the gen2. We all needed this. Really looking forward to a range video. Judging from the comment section so far, there seems to be an issue with a missing part that may or may not be the blame for a serious jam after firing. New owners are noticing the flopping part that slides back and forth when it's charged and locked back. If this is believed to be normal then the gen2 has a radically altered system from the gen1. Can't say that I like where this is headed. Hope you don't mind if interested people use your c/section as a forum to scrutinize the gen2, but as you can see it already is. It would really be helpful if you would post a dissasembly video and show us the innards. Thanks again.
My Charles Daly N4S has a piston that slides back and forth when the charge handle is locked back and it shoots perfectly fine. It's a very similar gun.
Just picked up my GEN 2 today. The sliding “loose” piston is a “standard” velocity piston which, according to the manual, should be used for the initial break in period. Recommended ammunition is 1-1.5 oz shot from 1250-1500 FPS. After that break in period you can install the “high velocity” piston for heavier loads. Interesting, the part #107 is no longer on the nomenclature.
Hi, i bought a gen 2 also and noticed some of these things you mentioned, only thing is mine is a radikal nk-1 gen 2 which has small improvements over your version, like magazine lever added below were your model release is located, and a capture bolt, instead of nut on cheek rest adjustment. And it's still black, with final differences in design on the false suppressor.
That "piston" is your gas block and should not be sliding freely. The bottom of the mag will attach to any picatinny rail. I bought this weapon approximately 4.5 months ago, have put roughly 200 shells through mine and as it sits currently I am MUCH less than impressed. I own a Gen 1. Barely 200 shells through mine, none hotter than the manufacturer prescribed max of 1600 fps. In my last magazine of shells I had failure to fire. I broke the weapon down on the bench and upon inspection found metal shavings in the bottom of the lower & the barrel nut & the threads of the upper were completely stripped. There was also noted damage & deformation to the gas block. As the situation stands currently, I am the infuriated owner of an over glorified $600 paper weight. The failure happened on November 19th. I I have sent 3 emails to Panzer Arms customer service, the first being the day of the failure along with multiple phone calls. I have yet to have any communication with anyone remotely resembling a customer service representative. I will say that I was exceedingly impressed with it up until this point, but this experience is NOT what Panzer Arms had promised me. I do understand that the pandemic has caused shipping and labor issues, but I really feel that someone should a least be able to answer an email or a phone call within a business week.
@@michaelfan333 they just got back with me last week. They are based in Pennsylvania and the governor there had virtually shut down the entire state completely. Also roughly 75% of their staff had come up COVID positive, so I can understand the slow response now. Are you in the States?
@@michaelfan333 then that is why your response has been so slow. The staff is struggling both with more than 3/4 of them being out with COVID, and the entire state of Pennsylvania where they are based has been virtually shut down by the local state government.
@@mikeycrabtree123 Can Confirm. I'm on the western side of PA, we definitely went full retard over this. But all that said, what did they say about the stripped threads and such?
Bought a panzer gen2 today. It's very similar to my RIA vr80. Magazines are interchangeable. Gas block is held in with split lock washer just like vr80. I dissembled mine before firing. The entire gun was filthy from machining parts and sticky shipping oil. I'm going outside to shoot now. Bye bye
@@michaelfan333 shot 125 rounds last night. A box of 1450, 1330, 1300, 1290, and 1200. Cycles all fine sans for the 1200fps. I think after some more rounds through it 1200 was cycle fine
If I may make a suggestion... next time you post a video on TH-cam, be sure to set the comments feature to " most recent on top ". The comments here are hard to follow and are not in chronological order. I've made the same mistake on a couple of mine but am going back in to fix. Since you have a gen 2 please post a breakdown and the internals. Thanks.
One different thing you didn't mention is that the gen 2 is 1.5 inchs longer over all than the gen 1. Its the barrel the gen 1 barrel has a 18.5 inch barrel and gen 2 has a 20 inch gen 1 length is 29.2 inchs and gen 2 is 30.7 inchs. Just figured id throw that out there for anyone who was curious
My gen2 piston didnt slide when i got it. Took it to the range and still nothing out of the ordinary. I switched the charging handle to the left side (as it looks like you did as well), now i have the sliding piston as well. I literally just did it and noticed it immediately. I had checked for that twice before and it wasn't doing it.
yes i did switch the charging handle to left, it makes more sense to me that way, and we all having the same piston sliding situation. according to other comments it shouldnt be a big issuefor now. it would just wear out one day eventually..
Just got a Gen2 the I did not notice the piston sliding right out of the box. Put 10 rounds through it and noticed it moving freely after that. Need to finish breaking in and swap to HV piston. See what happens after that...
@@zachvandersloot1303 I've put over 50 rounds through mine now and it still slides. I put the HV piston in and it still does it. I don't think it's affecting performance, but I'm going to take it to a gunsmith when I get a chance.
PrimeTime ok, sounds like it’s “normal” for the gen2. I just put some more rounds through mine. A handful of FTE with low brass stuff. Ran an old box of 2 3/4 8 shot high brass perfectly, no FPS listed on the box. My “muzzle brake” part 95 had to be tightened up a few times while shooting. Let us know what the gunsmith says if you make it there.
I have run 40 or so shells thru with installed piston.. there was a few failures as expected. I swapped to the HP piston and it wouldn’t feed? I’m using 1200-1400 FPS buckshot, it would occasionally stovepipe. I ran approximately 60 shells with the HP piston. Should I put the LP piston back in for awhile?
Hello I got my panzer BP-12 Gen 2 yesterday!!! Went to the shooting range today to test it out. it and work fine with the pisting moving around when the bolt is lock to the back. I ran 50 round thru it to break it in. I think I need to break it a little bit more for the bolt can work better to extract the casing after shooting 10 round I would have one failure to extract. But other then that I love it shoot good out of the box with the iron sigths that came with it.
I will post a video with what’s wrong with mines , the company doesn’t have any customers support, I been trying to get in contact with them and they haven’t answer my emails. I would no recommend this shotgun to any one.
I just received my shotgun back from service department. Go to their website and just ship it to them. Guy called me 3 or 4 days after it was signed for. My gen 1 was upgraded to gen 2 I wrecked my gen 1 pushing too heavy of a load. It stripped the barrel nut. It cost me $250 plus he fixed the other damage to the gun, trigger components. Bottom line just send it to them with a note of what’s wrong they will contact you.
Anyone having a problem with it jamming after the first shot? Every time i shot my gen 2 i had to pull the charging handle back to load another round. If anyone has any info or any advise it would be greatly appreciated
Yes same problem. There's a mystery part #107... That is missing!! Not sure if it's normal break in period for shards of metal on the inside. However seems the bolt a squared off end that hits a rounded end of the upper. Been hearing similar issues but perhaps normal. Just odd that a part 107 is listed as a recoil pad and not installed from factory
Not being a jerk here... Did you completely disassemble the weapon, clean and lubricate it? Mine arrived covered in more grease than a 16yo BK worker. Are you using quality, hi velocity rounds? You can't throw Walmart target BS through this initially.
Trying to dissassemble gen 2 and for the life of me cant seem to get the charging handle out...so I cant remove the BCG from the handguard. Gen 1 has a tool to leverage it out. No such luck on gen 2. Manual states step 5. Pull out the charging handle. Tried several different ways to get that sucker out. No luck. Any advice?
I had same problem I couldn't pull out for life of me either. I looked on other side and used a flat head screwdriver to tap out from other side & finally got out. I am stuck at gas blocking ring. I can't get it. Maybe put on with some sort of machine??? I am using both tools & I can't get it to move???
@@dbcbabyg you need to use both tools and apply pressure in opposite directions. the hardest one for me was the locking nut for the barrel. i had to use a vice, tool and hammer to knock it loose.
Im in the middle of breaking my gen 2 down for cleaning- i read there were a lot of FTE issues with the gen 1 from both break in and not cleaning off the packing grease/oil. Looking forward to taking this for a spin
Got my gen 2 bp12 on Monday shot it straight out the box at the range and loved it!!! I was short on time since they were closing soon and didn’t even get a chance to put on the flip up sights or red dot I ordered. But man just looking down the rail of the gun it shot perfectly. I will say the first shot it jammed! The charging handle got stuck and wouldn’t allow another round to feed. Had to have a range employee help out. He struggled for a bit as I did and then randomly it just shot into place. Dry fed the rest of the rounds out and after that it worked flawlessly and kept me smiling after every magazine I finished! Once I got home I sprayed some CLP in the chamber and slide and also on the spring and wiped it down. It felt much smoother charging and dry feeding rounds. Got sights and red dot added as well as flash light and can’t wait to hit the range this weekend with it. I was also disappointed with not having AR charging handle but after the reviews from the first gen and looking at other bullp pups with AR chargers on them at the range they are flimsy and feel cheap. Removing it increases the performance and reliability of this gun I believe. And also I had no floating or sliding in my barrel not to say it’s not normal but nothing moves on this gun when I flip it or shake it. Part #107 is listed but don’t plan on taking gun apart for a while to know if it’s there.
Heyyyyy Yes had same issue of jam on first shot!! The mystery part #107 is missing and also on others I checked at the store I purchased from. Strange.
Man, how do you buy a weapon and not take it home, disassemble and clean/ lubricate it first? Mine had more grease than a crappy street pizza, it was literally dripping. That's just a recipe for disaster.
Having shot both, im curious ask why.other than the top charging handle which is useless that some have taken off,why?The updated bolt and chokes make it a better multipurpose shotgun.Think of skeet shooting, bird hunting, hog hunting, home protection(you gto a 20 inch barrel,that impressive). When I purchase I look for function. Home defense is great but that was my second reason for picking the panzar.Hog hunting was my first. If it will drop a 200+ hog it will drop a 200+ intruder. I don't live in the country so there is no dam way im letting that let loose with 00buck unless the situation has went to 0 to 100 in my neighborhood. I have neighbors lol. But keep shooting trust me you will like it..Ive seen what it can do to a hog at 15 to 20 feet with a slug. Panzar is still a reliable BP cant go wrong with the purchase.Also a 20 rd drum...shittt I challenge a dont like..Fun BP to shot and a attention whore at the range...😁
the lowered rail did make gun a better look in my view, but sending $100 more to remove a function of the gun is what got me disappointed.It would make everyone happy if Panzer would drop $100 instead 😉.
Still a sexy gun...but I got a dam good deal on my purchase. No complaints here untill I need parts...😆, so I hope she holds up.. But honestly at the price 2 are affordable and I'm cheap...
@@michaelfan333 The Gen 2 is lighter, lost the useless AR charging handle, comes with 3 chokes and is more streamline. Worth the extra money in my case..
My gen 1 had the same issue with the piston sliding so anyone thinking its only a gen 2 due to this video is wrong. Im gonna say its standard but who knows 🤷♂️
Heyyyyy Micheal I just picked one up yesterday from the local gun show here. Took to the range today and had an unusual issue happen Have you fired your Panzer Bullpup yet? E
@@michaelfan333 crazy... First shot... Gun jammed with the bolt open... Had the shop actually take it apart and saw the bolt was jammed into the rear receiver and was metal on metal...
@@michaelfan333 question... I noticed in the manual... There is a part #107 The recoil pad And i don't see it on my firearm.... Do you see it on yours?? Kind of a pronged shaped piece...
BAD GUN. Stove pipes and hangers. YOU need to use 1300FPS ammo, at least to break in. You were worried about the sights. You didn't like the lack of the AR style charging handle. You were concerned about the "sliding part." Yet you still said you liked the gun. Why? Because it looks cool? And you haven't even fired it yet! This was an unboxing video that's all. NO ONE should purchase this firearm based on this video. Do your homework. It can be a trusty weapon for home defense, but it requires high powered ammo to break it in. Don't even try bird shot through this out-of-the box.
i do like the way it looks and the fact that it is a bullpup. Just gave a honest opinion, didnt expect anyone purchase or not purchase it from my video. I just want to show a first look of the Gen 2 cuz there wasnt one on youtube at the time. Please, no judgement.
have your broke it in yet? mine started to cycle any bird shot over about 1200 fps after about 200 rounds, I have never had any malfunctions with buckshot or slugs out of it. it never had an issue with hotter turkey loads. Not sure what you would do with a gun like this with low power bird shot...its a 18.5 or 20 inch barreled gun your not going to be doing much fowling with it.
I will stick with the gen 1 version. I did not like that they took out the AR 15 charging handle.
You should stick with gen1 I bought gen2.didn’t fire it yet but can tell that’s going to be hard to aim .
The magazine can be attached to the picatiny rail. Quick access for extra mag and or acts as additional handle.
Bingo, they took that idea from the ATI Bulldog Bullpup shotgun.
So strange, I have a Landor Arms BPX 902 and I swear the features are all nearly identical to this even that magazine feature of mounting to the rail!!
I got my gen 2 last week and took it to the range. I tried slugs, Turkey shot and a few home defence rounds. The gun performed well with all. I did read the manual on 1250 fps min. The sights are too low so I am raising them .5 and getting a softer recoil absorbing rubber on the stock. No special optics or anything. Possibly a flashlight. I really enjoyed shooting the gun. The magazines loosened up as I used them. I did purchase the 10 round mag as well and it functioned perfectly and I do suggest the extra purchase. Overall love the look and the function of my new bp12. PS I switched the Charging handle to the left side to keep my right hand on the grip. I will see how it works with my new sling and at the range.
Being a longtime gen 1 owner, I've always expressed my disdain for AR style charging. It's clumsy and awkward. So I like that the gen2 has done away with it, however as you pointed out you lost the rise necessary to get a decent sight picture. This is not a big issue since you are going come to the conclusion very soon, to throw those cheap flip up sights in the trash and put on a red dot with a 1 inch riser. I agree that something seems wrong with your gas block flopping around while charged.
The young man knows what he is taking about,subscribe to his channel.With age there is wisdom 🙌
What ammo do you recommend for the shotgun? And any site you recommend to buy in bulk?
I used black aces 9 shot buck defense no hange up and federal target load 7 1/2 3 hang ups until I ran a few load.Will be buying more black aces 2 3/4 00 buck..ran flawlwss.I think you need at lest 1400 for it to function smoothly.The federal was 1300+ had a few FTE.Had some boxes of Fiocchi home defense buck low 1300fps and had a lot of FTE... Very soft casings.
that piston will move when you hold back the charging handle...because its the pistol that kicks back the bolt
It's normal for the piston to slide, both generations will do that.
mags will lock into quad rail
JUST PURCHASED THE GEN2 PANZER ! AWESOME !!
I just bought my Gen 2 Panzer, it came with two extra chokes in a little compartment, also a high velocity piston. (H.V.) The gun comes with a standard piston but it says after Breaking in the gun to change to the high velocity piston. Did you also get this in yours? Does your manual say the same thing? It says it is important that you use this piston for any ammunition that is 1350 ft./s and above.
Just got my gen 2. Yes mine is the same as yours.
Do a video changing to the hv piston when you get to that stage! Got mine two weeks ago. New to shotguns and bullpups, so like to watch videos about it. Yours was first gen2 ive come across. Thank you for posting!
will do!
The hurricane fd-12 looks just like it made in turkey but sold in Canada. It has metal frame instead of polymer.
I have the 1st gen, second time at range, the nipple that connects to the upper charging handle came off inside the gun wile shooting and the bolt was cracked. I had all the parts replaced by PANZER ARMS USA within a week. They send me the complete upper receiver assembly including barrel. The only difference is the bolt wish is the same as the gen2 bolt. After I took it back to the range and put 200 rounds assorted ammo and rapid fired without a single malfunction. Look up my vids.
I had the barrel nut strip the upper receiver. Ended up paying someone rethread and pin a new nut on. Panzer Arms was not responding to months of emails and phone calls
@@freedomisntfree9960 oh man that’s bad!!! hope your shotgun it’s fine now. Sorry to heard about your experience with customer service. I hope not to deal with any more problems with mine.
@@gunsrus777 havent shot it yet but looks good. They only charged me 45 bucks
@@freedomisntfree9960 anything firearm related is expensive, that’s nothing. Good for you. alright brother stay safe.
You have to get a 3/4 or 1" small 3 or 5 section riser for irons
Thanks for the video, hopefully I'll be picking one up soon. Love the color of it as well.
Well I just bought a gen 2. Can't wait to get it. I will get that MK1919 20 round mag and mod it to work with this shotgun. Good Video ;(
I'm also sad they dropped a AK/AR ambidextrous feature. Makes cheekrest feature kinda poop, already looking into riser.
I was SHOCKED, shocked I tell you, that it was 750. Now it is around 350...
This better be in battlefield 6
The response I got from Panzar gen 1 vs gen 2.No upper charging handle, it includes chokes, an updated bolt and interchangeable gas system.Picked up a Gen 2 myself.The sights are not bad, I also put Reddot on it as well.I do like the new look of the 5rd magazine, looking to purchase 2 more.I also purchased a 20rd drum as well.
Did you have to mod the 20 round drum?
Yes you do easy mod...
Does your gas piston slides forward and backward when you hold the charging handle to the back ?
Its free floating as well..Thats no worries as its norm for how it has to cycle rounds..Guns is solid. Pushing it dwn range made a believer out of me..
伟东在美国 picked up a gen 2 today and and my gas piston slides around also, not sure if this is a defect or a feature
Congrats on the first and only review of the gen2. We all needed this. Really looking forward to a range video. Judging from the comment section so far, there seems to be an issue with a missing part that may or may not be the blame for a serious jam after firing. New owners are noticing the flopping part that slides back and forth when it's charged and locked back. If this is believed to be normal then the gen2 has a radically altered system from the gen1. Can't say that I like where this is headed. Hope you don't mind if interested people use your c/section as a forum to scrutinize the gen2, but as you can see it already is. It would really be helpful if you would post a dissasembly video and show us the innards. Thanks again.
My Gen 1 did the same thing mine did it new and did it after 1000+ rounds. Gotta be normal.
My Charles Daly N4S has a piston that slides back and forth when the charge handle is locked back and it shoots perfectly fine. It's a very similar gun.
yes.i looked up that model.its a very similar BP
Just picked up my GEN 2 today. The sliding “loose” piston is a “standard” velocity piston which, according to the manual, should be used for the initial break in period. Recommended ammunition is 1-1.5 oz shot from 1250-1500 FPS. After that break in period you can install the “high velocity” piston for heavier loads. Interesting, the part #107 is no longer on the nomenclature.
I just got mine yesterday, noticed part #107 isn't listed as well lol
@@ManyDaysDreamingDoes it come with the High Velocity Piston, or is it not meant to be changed?
Does it come with the High Velocity Piston, or is it not meant to be changed?
@@thomasgort2186 yes, the Gen 2 comes with a high velocity piston
@@ManyDaysDreaming okay, the reason I ask is because during this video it does not appear to be shown among the contents you receive out of the box.
Hi, i bought a gen 2 also and noticed some of these things you mentioned, only thing is mine is a radikal nk-1 gen 2 which has small improvements over your version, like magazine lever added below were your model release is located, and a capture bolt, instead of nut on cheek rest adjustment. And it's still black, with final differences in design on the false suppressor.
im glad u bought the improved version. would u consider doing a review over it, like to see it!
That "piston" is your gas block and should not be sliding freely. The bottom of the mag will attach to any picatinny rail. I bought this weapon approximately 4.5 months ago, have put roughly 200 shells through mine and as it sits currently I am MUCH less than impressed. I own a Gen 1. Barely 200 shells through mine, none hotter than the manufacturer prescribed max of 1600 fps. In my last magazine of shells I had failure to fire. I broke the weapon down on the bench and upon inspection found metal shavings in the bottom of the lower & the barrel nut & the threads of the upper were completely stripped. There was also noted damage & deformation to the gas block. As the situation stands currently, I am the infuriated owner of an over glorified $600 paper weight. The failure happened on November 19th. I I have sent 3 emails to Panzer Arms customer service, the first being the day of the failure along with multiple phone calls. I have yet to have any communication with anyone remotely resembling a customer service representative. I will say that I was exceedingly impressed with it up until this point, but this experience is NOT what Panzer Arms had promised me. I do understand that the pandemic has caused shipping and labor issues, but I really feel that someone should a least be able to answer an email or a phone call within a business week.
the customer service on Panzer USA side is bad. i called and emailed and still has not got a reply...
@@michaelfan333 they just got back with me last week. They are based in Pennsylvania and the governor there had virtually shut down the entire state completely. Also roughly 75% of their staff had come up COVID positive, so I can understand the slow response now. Are you in the States?
yes.down GA
@@michaelfan333 then that is why your response has been so slow. The staff is struggling both with more than 3/4 of them being out with COVID, and the entire state of Pennsylvania where they are based has been virtually shut down by the local state government.
@@mikeycrabtree123 Can Confirm. I'm on the western side of PA, we definitely went full retard over this.
But all that said, what did they say about the stripped threads and such?
Ghostring. Check out the Typhoon F12 its the best bang for your buck semi automatic. With quality parts and Benelli Chokes.
Bought a panzer gen2 today. It's very similar to my RIA vr80. Magazines are interchangeable. Gas block is held in with split lock washer just like vr80. I dissembled mine before firing. The entire gun was filthy from machining parts and sticky shipping oil. I'm going outside to shoot now. Bye bye
Congrats on ur purchase! let us know how the shooting went!
@@michaelfan333 shot 125 rounds last night. A box of 1450, 1330, 1300, 1290, and 1200. Cycles all fine sans for the 1200fps. I think after some more rounds through it 1200 was cycle fine
If I may make a suggestion... next time you post a video on TH-cam, be sure to set the comments feature to " most recent on top ". The comments here are hard to follow and are not in chronological order. I've made the same mistake on a couple of mine but am going back in to fix. Since you have a gen 2 please post a breakdown and the internals. Thanks.
didnt know comments sort by time feature, will look in that on next video. thanks for the remind!
@@michaelfan333 That's ok... I just realized we can do it manually at the top right of the comment section.
One different thing you didn't mention is that the gen 2 is 1.5 inchs longer over all than the gen 1. Its the barrel the gen 1 barrel has a 18.5 inch barrel and gen 2 has a 20 inch gen 1 length is 29.2 inchs and gen 2 is 30.7 inchs. Just figured id throw that out there for anyone who was curious
And gen 2 has better internals 😎
i didn't look into it at the time of review. Thanks for the remind!
Does anyone else’s wrist slam against the mag well?
They shoulda moved it back like a quarter inch
Picked one up a couple days ago, my only complaint so far is the mag release.
Well unfortunately not left handed friendly, unless you like shells to the face
Please sell me one
My gen2 piston didnt slide when i got it. Took it to the range and still nothing out of the ordinary. I switched the charging handle to the left side (as it looks like you did as well), now i have the sliding piston as well. I literally just did it and noticed it immediately. I had checked for that twice before and it wasn't doing it.
yes i did switch the charging handle to left, it makes more sense to me that way, and we all having the same piston sliding situation. according to other comments it shouldnt be a big issuefor now. it would just wear out one day eventually..
Just got a Gen2 the I did not notice the piston sliding right out of the box. Put 10 rounds through it and noticed it moving freely after that. Need to finish breaking in and swap to HV piston. See what happens after that...
@@zachvandersloot1303 I've put over 50 rounds through mine now and it still slides. I put the HV piston in and it still does it. I don't think it's affecting performance, but I'm going to take it to a gunsmith when I get a chance.
PrimeTime ok, sounds like it’s “normal” for the gen2. I just put some more rounds through mine. A handful of FTE with low brass stuff. Ran an old box of 2 3/4 8 shot high brass perfectly, no FPS listed on the box. My “muzzle brake” part 95 had to be tightened up a few times while shooting. Let us know what the gunsmith says if you make it there.
I have run 40 or so shells thru with installed piston.. there was a few failures as expected. I swapped to the HP piston and it wouldn’t feed? I’m using 1200-1400 FPS buckshot, it would occasionally stovepipe. I ran approximately 60 shells with the HP piston. Should I put the LP piston back in for awhile?
according to some advices i got from others, u should run LP piston for first 100-150 rounds b4 switching to HP with feeding.
I’m going to go back to original piston for awhile.. thanks!!
Thanks Man Great video
Hello I got my panzer BP-12 Gen 2 yesterday!!! Went to the shooting range today to test it out. it and work fine with the pisting moving around when the bolt is lock to the back. I ran 50 round thru it to break it in. I think I need to break it a little bit more for the bolt can work better to extract the casing after shooting 10 round I would have one failure to extract. But other then that I love it shoot good out of the box with the iron sigths that came with it.
I will post a video with what’s wrong with mines , the company doesn’t have any customers support, I been trying to get in contact with them and they haven’t answer my emails. I would no recommend this shotgun to any one.
i emailed them 3 weeks ago and haven't got a reply back either..
I just received my shotgun back from service department.
Go to their website and just ship it to them. Guy called me 3 or 4 days after it was signed for.
My gen 1 was upgraded to gen 2
I wrecked my gen 1 pushing too heavy of a load. It stripped the barrel nut. It cost me $250 plus he fixed the other damage to the gun, trigger components.
Bottom line just send it to them with a note of what’s wrong they will contact you.
Does it have a external thread on barrel? Or only internal for chockes?
internal threads for chokes and outer threads for barrel shroud. but the outer threads is towards the mid section of the barrel.
I would like to change the angle grip to a forward grip, how do you take off the angle grip?
just like any other
hip gun
Anyone having a problem with it jamming after the first shot? Every time i shot my gen 2 i had to pull the charging handle back to load another round. If anyone has any info or any advise it would be greatly appreciated
Grease up your magazine and chamber
try with higher fps ammo. could been the timing from reload speed or a new gun break in thing
Yes same problem.
There's a mystery part #107...
That is missing!!
Not sure if it's normal break in period for shards of metal on the inside.
However seems the bolt a squared off end that hits a rounded end of the upper.
Been hearing similar issues but perhaps normal.
Just odd that a part 107 is listed as a recoil pad and not installed from factory
I concurred with high fps ammo. I first shot with low fps ammo it jammed every time. Went with higher fps ammo. It shot like a champ.
Not being a jerk here... Did you completely disassemble the weapon, clean and lubricate it? Mine arrived covered in more grease than a 16yo BK worker. Are you using quality, hi velocity rounds? You can't throw Walmart target BS through this initially.
Trying to dissassemble gen 2 and for the life of me cant seem to get the charging handle out...so I cant remove the BCG from the handguard. Gen 1 has a tool to leverage it out. No such luck on gen 2. Manual states step 5. Pull out the charging handle. Tried several different ways to get that sucker out. No luck. Any advice?
I haven't dissassemble it yet. will reply here once I do..
I had same problem I couldn't pull out for life of me either. I looked on other side and used a flat head screwdriver to tap out from other side & finally got out. I am stuck at gas blocking ring. I can't get it. Maybe put on with some sort of machine??? I am using both tools & I can't get it to move???
@@dbcbabyg same issue here!
@@dbcbabyg you need to use both tools and apply pressure in opposite directions. the hardest one for me was the locking nut for the barrel. i had to use a vice, tool and hammer to knock it loose.
Lay down some cardboard on the receiver and you can use the indent in the included wrench to pry it up.
Im in the middle of breaking my gen 2 down for cleaning- i read there were a lot of FTE issues with the gen 1 from both break in and not cleaning off the packing grease/oil. Looking forward to taking this for a spin
Fte?
Sang Lee failure to extract
Clean, clean, clean this thing before it ever sees the light of a range. Quality, hi velocity ammo during break in. No cheap ass Walmart target junk.
Does anyone know where I can get one for MSRP price ? Everything I see online is nearly double the MSRP
Paid 699$ at Atlantic firearms
@@jclark934 I found mine at 799 plus tax at dunhams sports.
$699.00 is the manufacturers price suggestion.
$599 from Classicfirearms.com a month ago, they sell out quickly, sign up for the emails
299.00😂
Got my gen 2 bp12 on Monday shot it straight out the box at the range and loved it!!! I was short on time since they were closing soon and didn’t even get a chance to put on the flip up sights or red dot I ordered. But man just looking down the rail of the gun it shot perfectly. I will say the first shot it jammed! The charging handle got stuck and wouldn’t allow another round to feed. Had to have a range employee help out. He struggled for a bit as I did and then randomly it just shot into place. Dry fed the rest of the rounds out and after that it worked flawlessly and kept me smiling after every magazine I finished! Once I got home I sprayed some CLP in the chamber and slide and also on the spring and wiped it down. It felt much smoother charging and dry feeding rounds. Got sights and red dot added as well as flash light and can’t wait to hit the range this weekend with it. I was also disappointed with not having AR charging handle but after the reviews from the first gen and looking at other bullp pups with AR chargers on them at the range they are flimsy and feel cheap. Removing it increases the performance and reliability of this gun I believe. And also I had no floating or sliding in my barrel not to say it’s not normal but nothing moves on this gun when I flip it or shake it. Part #107 is listed but don’t plan on taking gun apart for a while to know if it’s there.
Heyyyyy
Yes had same issue of jam on first shot!!
The mystery part #107 is missing and also on others I checked at the store I purchased from.
Strange.
Man, how do you buy a weapon and not take it home, disassemble and clean/ lubricate it first? Mine had more grease than a crappy street pizza, it was literally dripping. That's just a recipe for disaster.
I’m disappointed with the gen 2
Having shot both, im curious ask why.other than the top charging handle which is useless that some have taken off,why?The updated bolt and chokes make it a better multipurpose shotgun.Think of skeet shooting, bird hunting, hog hunting, home protection(you gto a 20 inch barrel,that impressive). When I purchase I look for function. Home defense is great but that was my second reason for picking the panzar.Hog hunting was my first. If it will drop a 200+ hog it will drop a 200+ intruder. I don't live in the country so there is no dam way im letting that let loose with 00buck unless the situation has went to 0 to 100 in my neighborhood. I have neighbors lol. But keep shooting trust me you will like it..Ive seen what it can do to a hog at 15 to 20 feet with a slug. Panzar is still a reliable BP cant go wrong with the purchase.Also a 20 rd drum...shittt I challenge a dont like..Fun BP to shot and a attention whore at the range...😁
the lowered rail did make gun a better look in my view, but sending $100 more to remove a function of the gun is what got me disappointed.It would make everyone happy if Panzer would drop $100 instead 😉.
Still a sexy gun...but I got a dam good deal on my purchase. No complaints here untill I need parts...😆, so I hope she holds up.. But honestly at the price 2 are affordable and I'm cheap...
@@michaelfan333 The Gen 2 is lighter, lost the useless AR charging handle, comes with 3 chokes and is more streamline. Worth the extra money in my case..
My gen 1 had the same issue with the piston sliding so anyone thinking its only a gen 2 due to this video is wrong. Im gonna say its standard but who knows 🤷♂️
utterly normal its the part that kicks the bolt backward, so if the bolt is back it can freely move
Heyyyyy Micheal
I just picked one up yesterday from the local gun show here.
Took to the range today and had an unusual issue happen
Have you fired your Panzer Bullpup yet?
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I haven't taken mine to range yet, what issue was yours ?
@@michaelfan333 crazy...
First shot...
Gun jammed with the bolt open...
Had the shop actually take it apart and saw the bolt was jammed into the rear receiver and was metal on metal...
That sounds terrible! I will pay attention when take it to the range..I hope it wont happen to yours again
@@michaelfan333 question...
I noticed in the manual...
There is a part #107
The recoil pad
And i don't see it on my firearm....
Do you see it on yours??
Kind of a pronged shaped piece...
you were right ! I dont see the recoil pad. only two holes on the back of receiver.😒
BAD GUN. Stove pipes and hangers. YOU need to use 1300FPS ammo, at least to break in. You were worried about the sights. You didn't like the lack of the AR style charging handle. You were concerned about the "sliding part." Yet you still said you liked the gun. Why? Because it looks cool? And you haven't even fired it yet! This was an unboxing video that's all. NO ONE should purchase this firearm based on this video. Do your homework. It can be a trusty weapon for home defense, but it requires high powered ammo to break it in. Don't even try bird shot through this out-of-the box.
i do like the way it looks and the fact that it is a bullpup. Just gave a honest opinion, didnt expect anyone purchase or not purchase it from my video. I just want to show a first look of the Gen 2 cuz there wasnt one on youtube at the time. Please, no judgement.
have your broke it in yet? mine started to cycle any bird shot over about 1200 fps after about 200 rounds, I have never had any malfunctions with buckshot or slugs out of it. it never had an issue with hotter turkey loads. Not sure what you would do with a gun like this with low power bird shot...its a 18.5 or 20 inch barreled gun your not going to be doing much fowling with it.
Just got my Gen2 and that part does not slide back and forth on mines
Hey man did you find a fix my bolt is not moving with my shots
it started moving by itself after some use, only other thing I did was pull back charging handle and leave open for 2 days.
The "suppressor looking thing" is a barrel shroud. Its exposed to prevent you from getting burns from the barrel getting hot after continuous firing.