Hot take: I feel like the villain should be Chameleon. Chameleon was the first villain Peter ever fought, which could represent Tom's Spider-man's fresh start. Also Chameleon's power is the ability to change his appearance, which also represents the fact that Peter's identity has been erased in NWH.
Thats a very very great idea! But unfortunately, chameleon is gonna make his appearance in kraven, if you dont know, sony made a rule that marvel studios cant use spiderman villain If sony use them first 😭😭😭
I am only because they brought in the director of shang chi.. but I swear SONY if you fuck this up.. you know how people are going to react, me included. We're all gonna be pissed. I wouldn't be suprised if the studio pushed the director into putting a bunch of stuff he doesn't want to put in the movie.. it happened with tobeys third film.. and we're not even going to talk about andrews movies.. but I wouldn't be suprised if they did interfiere with this movie especially considering the rumors that they're going to be going down the mulitiverse route.. AGAIN.. JUST REBOOT THE MCU ALREADY..
Agreed but considering we r in the “Multiverse Saga” I think they should be consistent and stick to what they r doing. After Doomsday and Secret Wars hell yeah absolutely I wanna see Daredevil and Spidey kick Kingpin’s ass. But with the way they set it up right now it doesn’t make sense for a street level movie to happen right now. I know we all want it but timing is also very important
@ I'll see if I can find the vid but I saw one stating that there were talks between Sony and Disney about the film. Sony wanted another multiverse story but Disney wanted it to be a street level tale.
@@vetzmoviesthings to disagree, first this movie comes right after doomsday ans before secret wars where spidey will play mojor role so toning down the story to street level again isn't gonna make sense as it is most probably gonna take place in battle world so introducing knull will make sense and also spider society (Inc. Tobey and Andrew). Or if they have to make street level make scorpion as villain and also he was venom in comics (more scarier) so they can use that symbiot easily
Why? Because they haven’t had on screen interaction? It’s called acting, they can make it work. She’s literally the best option rn, nobody else is better in terms of looks or personality, this is insane.
I really like your lists and opinions man, I agree with everything you said in this video. I really want Spider-Man 4 to be a grounded/street level movie.
@@ToldenSandwhich-b6ftoo bad. Sony doesn’t care, Knull is coming to Spider-Man 4 womp womp, Sony makes another bad decision, live with it. (I’m not coming with attitude btw, just showing you that Sony doesn’t care)
i thought of a good idea for spider man 4, mj could work at the daily bugle and take pictures of peter and something else could happen after that but i dont really know.
The biggest thing is that I want it to be small scale and grounded. Smaller scale stakes doesn’t mean there are no stakes. I’d want relatively street level threats. And mostly dive into Peter, rather than Spider-Man. Peter is completely alone. Maybe he will use Spider-Man to cope with that, to try and stay away from his lonely private life as much as possible. I would love for him to get the symbiote. But probably no in the fourth film. Or have that be the final sort of scene that would hype us up for a fifth film. Peter is mostly alone, probably still grieving and blaming himself for May’s death, as well as him just being entirely alone. Add a villain that really gets to his nerves and poof… Recipe for a symbiote story. Maybe also add Black Cat in, who urges Peter to be more… daring until she sees the full extent of the symbiote suit. I’d also just not want too many cameos. Maybe Spidey teams up here or there, but especially in the beginning of the film, I hope they really try to hit home that he’s alone. He doesn’t have any strong relationships with fellow superheroes anymore. He doesn’t have relationships with Ned, MJ and Happy anymore. He’s just… nobody.
The only two things I want are a kingpin and black cat movie that is about Kingpins true power, and could even have dare devil or punished appear for a fight scene or something. The other one is a Spiderman vs venom movie with knull, but we should probably wait til after kingpin to do that. I just want to see venom and Spiderman fight
Things Sony is supposedly strongly considering for Spider-Man 4: - it’ll be a cosmic level plot that’ll apparently softly bridge the gap between Sony’s spin-off universe, and Marvel’s MCU (specifically with their semi-popular Venom franchise) - it may or may not take place on Doom’s Battleworld (supposedly Sony’s golden ticket to attach their franchise to Marvel’s… which would ultimately keep Sony’s/Marvel’s Spider-Man deal alive) - Tobey and Andrew are rumored to return and assist Tom’s Spider-Man in his new quest - Tom Hardy is rumored to also return to play and voice Eddie Brock/Venom respectively. - Knull from Venom the last Dance is STRONGLY rumored to be returning as the primary antagonist of Spider-Man 4 (he’s supposedly going to be around for a little while, almost acting as Sony’s answer to Thanos/Kang/Doom) - This will supposedly be the movie that starts a whole Saga of Tom’s Spider-Man wearing the Symbiote until he eventually takes it off, quite a few years down the line. Now sure how much of that will come true, but it’s the rumors I’ve heard the most regarding Spider-Man 4.
It’s looking like Spider-Man 4 is gonna be with Sony venom and knull according to scoopers I think it’s a really cool idea to have Spider-Man and venom team especially considering Tom hardy venom really needs to interact with a Spider-Man already, but yeah I think that’s actually not a bad idea and I don’t even like the venom movies that much I do love the character of venom in other media tho like the ps1 game or animated series
Knull is an avengers level threat type villain, not a friendly neighbourhood street level classic comic villain. The ending of spider-man: no way home is an ending that makes way and leads into the direction of a friendly neighbourhood street level spider man.
Villain: Knull. Setting:battle world. Friends: Miles morales,Peter 3, Peter 2. Release date: July 24 2026.( official release date). Peter 3 and Peter 2 might be at the end
I agree with all of this. I just hope Punisher doesn’t show up in the movie, unless Daredevil is present. Idk why, it just doesn’t feel right to bring in Punisher unless Daredevil is involved. Jessica Jones would be acceptable, we already got our Daredevil cameo anyway (two of them), so I’d like to see Jessica Jones appear
What do you think of this storyline for the next MCU spiderman trilogy? Spiderman 4 Black Cat as friend/enemy/love interest, contrasting MJ in many ways, and Ned as Hobgoblin forgeting Peter. with Kingpin and Symbiote as a setup, Peter rages over the spell that caused Ned to become a villain (Kingpin influences Ned like Tony influenced Peter), Doomsday and Secret Wars has Peter in the black suit he wears for the first time in the credits. Then Spiderman 5 as a full on war against Kingpin and the Sinister Six (Scorpion, Vulture forgets Peter so he hates spiderman now, Prowler, maybe a sorcerer Mysterio or a believer who takes the mantle, Hobgoblin and Black Cat) he forms, with Daredevil as the secondary hero. Spiderman can't win without losing himself to the black symbiote suit which daredevil helps navigate.Ned dies at the end. Spiderman 6, Peter had PTSD with the suit cause of how violent it makes him. Getting rid of the suit forms Venom, Flash Thompson and delves into his story (He's also in MIT and becomes jaded towards spiderman throughout 4 and 5). The secondary hero is Miles Morales, who becomes Spiderman in the final act while helping out as a civilian throughout most of the movie. In the end Peted retires and gets back with MJ regaining her memories.
I agree for the most part but Black Cat could and probably would work if done right. But I definitely see them using the Sony villains, especially with that Venom remanent cameo in NWH.
I want a street level movie but the way things are going its unlikely. If they are doing a multiversal movie id at least be fine with it if the characters from the animated miles morales sony movies were there. It would be cool, and if the animated characters were there along with tobey tom and andrew, it would make it feel like it isn't toms movie, and distract from the gimmick of the three spider men. Id still be concerned about when they actually give tom a street level movie, because eventually they have to.
This may be a hot take, but I think Civil War should've been the third Avengers movie, since it gives all of them a pretty decent amount of spotlight, while slightly greater for Cap. This would've made Infinity War the fourth, and Endgame the fifth. Idk, I feel like Endgame being the fifth Avengers movie would've been nice.
1:41 2 things here. For one, introducing Black Cat would make the movie a romance we don't need romantic subplot to affect the main plot that much, and I'm 99% sure Marvel doesn't either, considering they really don't put that much emphasis on romance in their MCU movies. For second, Spiderman is meant to be this sarcastic, funny character like yea they can go in a dark tone a bit similar to Kung Fu Panda 2, but not much more than that. Spiderman needs to retain what makes him spiderman, and it's not just his powers. And if one movie in the MCU deserves to still be PG-13, it's probably Spiderman because that's kind of essential to what the character is, at least in my eyes EDIT 3:08 What's with this "new trilogy" deal? Spiderman 4 will 100% be the final MCU spidey movie. It happens between Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars, and the MCU reboots after that with new actors. There won't be a "Spiderman 5" or "Spiderman 6"
@@diaryofarobot Dawg secret wars is a soft reboot, they will focus on the Xmen after secret wars, no more avengers blockbusters… good thing spidey isn’t an avenger. You’re yapping.
Here I am going to tell a story about what I would like to see in Holland's new trilogy, so, grab your bag of popcorn 🍿 and enjoy this story I have prepared for you. I would like Peter to be in college in a low-key way, but yes making friends like Harry Osborn, but here would also be Felicia Hardy studying and both Peter and Felicia develop a slightly flirtatious relationship with each other and such. Later, Black Cat tries to steal something but is intercepted by Spider-Man, though she manages to escape; the whole film would have a gang theme with a villain like Hammedhead or the Kingpin, but a somewhat main cat-and-mouse subplot with Peter and Felicia. The film would end with them discovering their secret identities, but with Black Cat redeeming herself and becoming a partner with Spider-Man against crime. The post-credits scene would be the villain saying he has an ace up his sleeve. The second movie I would mainly focus on the two of them having disputes like her doing things that don't go with Spider-man's values because she used to be a thief. Oh, and I would also introduce Gwen Stacy here as a friend, and I'm going to stress this: FELICIA HARDY IS NOT GOING TO BE JEALOUS OF GWEN STACY because they are going to be great friends, but without knowing the secret identities of both of them. By the end, the two solve their problems and Peter asks her an important question: -Will you live with me?- Felicia says yes very happily and ends the movie; the post-credits scene would be to reveal that Felicia has been working all this time for Hammerhead or Kingpin. The third and final part of the trilogy, would begin after a mini-fight with some gangsters, Peter discovers Felicia's association with the criminal mastermind of the entire trilogy, in Kingpin. Throughout the movie, Peter would be very angry and resentful towards her, but with his friends consoling him because he told them it was an infidelity or something (by the way, Felicia already left school; she got out because she didn't need to go anymore) and with Gwen being one of Peter's life supports, that at points a little late in the movie, there would be a small, but reciprocal love. I would also have Felicia be the Kingpin's right-hand woman for the entire movie, but having more and more doubts knowing that the future of our favorite web-head is going to be underground, when she was promised by her father's rumba that he was going to be left alive. By the end of the movie, Felicia sacrifices herself for Peter, like Harry in Spider-Man 3. The movie would also end like Spider-man 3 or TASM 2, with a somewhat devastated Peter but rising up to fight for Harry, Aunt May and Felicia’s memory, but above all, for Gwen.
I agree with almost everything you’re saying except the Sony movies are not “garbage” and it’s rumored that Sony is making a Black Cat movie. But yeah, I don’t want Sony’s characters in the next MCU Spider-Man movie because I’ve already suffered enough with NO WAY HOME.
i think it would make sense for this movie to have multiversal elements since its releasing between both Avengers movies, but it could have possibly a subplot or start out with a street level story to set up a future bogger street level plot
I want Harry Osborn to be introduced, and Gwen Stacy to become Peters love interest. Make it a street level movie, where Peter fights the mob, maybe a Daredevil cameo.
I want to see Scorpion and Vulture as the main villains of Spiderman 4. After Peter's memory got wiped vulture doesn't remember him hence he blames Spiderman for being in prison with Scorpion.
Bro all three spidey are gonna come back and venom cuz roach probably got earts 616 and all of the things i just said sony approved them the marvel version that dissaproved had kingpin hire alot of supervillain and i think they said something about blackcat in the marvel version
I mean Tom and Zendaya are together as a couple, could Zendaya just be reading the script with her man to support him? It doesn’t necessarily mean she’s in the movie right?..
I would like the movie to have black cat and really introduce that dillemma for peter, and maybe we can have it be like 16 plus, so we can have that dynamic with black cat and not exactly tame like a pg 13 but it definitely doenst have to be r
scorpion should be the villain in spiderman 4 we need scorpion as villain of spiderman 4 hired by the king pin and daredevil will be cameo teaming up against king-pin
Ok, um I think I missed something cuz I really thought Kingpin died at the end of Hawkeye. Is he revealed to still be alive in Echo? I didn't watch that.
Wait till after the mutiverse saga ends to do street level. Might as well make the most of it now instead of it coming back in later. If you want street level spiderman go watch the tobey and andrew films
I think it should be a street level film that expands on the scorpion and prowler set up in homecoming. Those would be great as villains and we already saw donald glover in the prowler suit in across the spiderverse. Introducing black cat or gwen stacy would be good. I don’t wanna see MJ back at all.
I hope the Sony villains appear in Spider-Man 4, so that they can have more than 1 appearance. Maybe at the beginning of the film, I want to see Knull execute Madame Web and the Spider-women
I’ve seen so many people screaming for Black Cat to be included in Spider-Man 4, and whilst she’s a fantastic character, at this point she doesn’t work, Peter is alone, he’s grieving Aunt May, he still misses MJ and Ned, he doesn’t want to be Peter Parker anymore. Daredevil went through a similar character arc in his own show about going solo and trying to kill Kingpin, and if you have my ideal set of villains, being Kingpin, Silvermane, Mr Negative and Scorpion, Peter primarily being Spider-Man and fighting organised crime whilst pushing away Matt’s help and advice, not realising he really needs it until the end works best. If you introduce Black Cat here, it would screw over the whole Peter missing MJ thing, if anything, she should be in Spider-Man 5, but I have a completely different idea involving the Symbiote, Hobgoblin, Rhino, Norman Osborn and Gwen Stacy, triggering Peter’s trauma.
Kingpin doesn’t have to but a mention would be nice, Spider-Man 5 could be another kingpin sent villain and Spider-Man 6 is a Daredevil and Spidey team up movie, but this all depends on the daredevil show.
Also Black Cat is perfect rn, Peter and MJ isn’t together, he’s lonely and no one knows him, sees a baddie (literally) that shows “interest” in him, easy. He’s in a dark place rn, no better choice than to have Felicia in this movie as a “love” interest so they don’t put Peter and MJ together so soon.
Unfortunately Sony doesn't wanna do things right 😢 they seem to be determined to spoil Spider man 4. I keep telling myself "Let's just wait for the best, shall we?" 😂
They should introduce Gwen instead of black cat as he could spend time thinking it could turn out the same way Andrew’s Gwen did but by the end of the fourth film he could overcome that but then in the fifth film she could die and then the sixth film could be that it’s been awhile and he finally gets back together with MJ but 6 has to take place a while after 5 or it won’t work same with 4 and 5
I want mj to slowly gain her memory of Peter back over the films then maybe by the end of the second film or middle of the third film she gains her memories back completely
Or permanently stay like that. Maybe Michelle Jones can have a smaller role compared to what she got in FFH and NWH. She got a small role in HC. Maybe when Peter learns to accept it and move on then Peter will soon forget about Michelle and not care for her and she would be replaced by Black Cat
I actually disagree about the Knull part. I think he's clearly going to be in this trilogy and it'll be fine. I'm also fine with Tom Hardy's Venom being in it (although I kinda doubt at this point). But how I would personally play it out is make him the big bad for Spider-Man 5 and have him as well as the symbiote storyline brought into the MCU still be teased in Spider-Man 4. The Spidey and Daredevil team up to take down Kingpin would be best done in Spider-Man 6.
2:18 so we know this is after doom so what if Tom is not in doom but tobey and andrew is and in the end of the movie we see them escaping something and in the post credits we see them seek help from Tom
Nerfing venom in spiderman 4 is another mistake, they should make him stay the same, he was very op in the comics and video games when it comes to live action he becomes mashed shit i just want him to stay the same just like how he was introduced in the 3 venom movies
Would be great if ned n mj started dating which will probably break Peter 😂 This is something comics would absolutely do😂 And Peter should move on with black cat
Black Cat's only gimmick is that she's hot. That's literally it. I've read ever comic with her. Not introducing Black Cat I'm completely fine with. I think Black Cat has a character could be explored deeply and is long overdue for a live action film, but she shouldn't be treated as the main love interest, rather a toxic relationship Peter gets himself into.
because she’d be a one and done, it’s dumb, Gwen needs to be fleshed out. It won’t make sense especially since Andrew already said what happens to Gwen.
Can someone please explain to me what's happening with shameik moore? All of a sudden everyone is labeling this dude as a creep and hates them. I'm completely out of the loop
Hot take: I feel like the villain should be Chameleon. Chameleon was the first villain Peter ever fought, which could represent Tom's Spider-man's fresh start. Also Chameleon's power is the ability to change his appearance, which also represents the fact that Peter's identity has been erased in NWH.
Thats a very very great idea! But unfortunately, chameleon is gonna make his appearance in kraven, if you dont know, sony made a rule that marvel studios cant use spiderman villain If sony use them first 😭😭😭
@@maliksuperart4575that fucking sucks
I think maybe they should make a live action tv series of mcu spider man instead
And focus on street level
Once again sony rules lowering the potential of Spider Man 4 @@maliksuperart4575
Sure, let's make the villain of Spiderman 4 an absolute nobody that no one cares for except for comic fans. I'm sure it'll turn out great
Not introducing Black Cat in Spider-Man 4 would be a major missed opportunity. But this is Sony unfortunately
Yeah, I truly want Felicia Hardy to come in or a least a Gwen Stacy ☝️
I want Felicia as Peter’s “rival” like Eddie Brock in the original trilogy, at the Daily Bugle.
Who’s hyped for Spider-Man 4
Not me
I am. And also i am ok as long as the story is great
I am still
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I am only because they brought in the director of shang chi.. but I swear SONY if you fuck this up.. you know how people are going to react, me included. We're all gonna be pissed. I wouldn't be suprised if the studio pushed the director into putting a bunch of stuff he doesn't want to put in the movie.. it happened with tobeys third film.. and we're not even going to talk about andrews movies.. but I wouldn't be suprised if they did interfiere with this movie especially considering the rumors that they're going to be going down the mulitiverse route.. AGAIN.. JUST REBOOT THE MCU ALREADY..
I still want Spiderman 4 to be a street level movie instead of another multiversal flick.
It's set between Doomsday and Secret Wars, so it's most likely going to be multiversal.
Agreed I hope they will focus more on Peter instead of spiderman
Nah, he's gonna be fighting Dormammu in a different universe
Agreed but considering we r in the “Multiverse Saga” I think they should be consistent and stick to what they r doing. After Doomsday and Secret Wars hell yeah absolutely I wanna see Daredevil and Spidey kick Kingpin’s ass. But with the way they set it up right now it doesn’t make sense for a street level movie to happen right now. I know we all want it but timing is also very important
@ I'll see if I can find the vid but I saw one stating that there were talks between Sony and Disney about the film. Sony wanted another multiverse story but Disney wanted it to be a street level tale.
If marvel don't get the Spider-Man rights back you shoulf get them
Alexa demie should play as black-cat and sydney sweeney should play as gwen stacy also disney should purchase the rights to sony
@@josiahmentalhealthno. Why? Just why? Why remove a perfect casting just to replace her with a costar that doesn’t even fit black cat.
Marvel wants to buy Spider Man rights but Sony doesn't want to give it back
@@josiahmentalhealth nice fancasts
@@OVOJermey I do think Sydney as black cat is perfect but those castings ain't bad by any means
Like Sony is gonna listen
They know I’m cooking
@@vetzmoviesthings to disagree, first this movie comes right after doomsday ans before secret wars where spidey will play mojor role so toning down the story to street level again isn't gonna make sense as it is most probably gonna take place in battle world so introducing knull will make sense and also spider society (Inc. Tobey and Andrew). Or if they have to make street level make scorpion as villain and also he was venom in comics (more scarier) so they can use that symbiot easily
I agree about black cat but I really don’t want Sydney Sweeny to play her, I just don’t think Tom and her would have chemistry
Have Dakota Fanning or Anya Taylor Joy
Why? Because they haven’t had on screen interaction? It’s called acting, they can make it work. She’s literally the best option rn, nobody else is better in terms of looks or personality, this is insane.
Tbh Black Cat is meant to make Peter feel awkward until he matures and their relationship develops
I really like your lists and opinions man, I agree with everything you said in this video. I really want Spider-Man 4 to be a grounded/street level movie.
Exactly I like no way home but a street level film is what everyone wants
@@ToldenSandwhich-b6ftoo bad. Sony doesn’t care, Knull is coming to Spider-Man 4 womp womp, Sony makes another bad decision, live with it. (I’m not coming with attitude btw, just showing you that Sony doesn’t care)
@OVOJermey I’m not even mad at you but Sony is quite possibly the worst studio when it comes to spider man
@@ToldenSandwhich-b6f facts
Street level movie sounds boring
i thought of a good idea for spider man 4, mj could work at the daily bugle and take pictures of peter and something else could happen after that but i dont really know.
The biggest thing is that I want it to be small scale and grounded. Smaller scale stakes doesn’t mean there are no stakes. I’d want relatively street level threats. And mostly dive into Peter, rather than Spider-Man. Peter is completely alone. Maybe he will use Spider-Man to cope with that, to try and stay away from his lonely private life as much as possible. I would love for him to get the symbiote. But probably no in the fourth film. Or have that be the final sort of scene that would hype us up for a fifth film. Peter is mostly alone, probably still grieving and blaming himself for May’s death, as well as him just being entirely alone. Add a villain that really gets to his nerves and poof… Recipe for a symbiote story. Maybe also add Black Cat in, who urges Peter to be more… daring until she sees the full extent of the symbiote suit. I’d also just not want too many cameos. Maybe Spidey teams up here or there, but especially in the beginning of the film, I hope they really try to hit home that he’s alone. He doesn’t have any strong relationships with fellow superheroes anymore. He doesn’t have relationships with Ned, MJ and Happy anymore. He’s just… nobody.
The only two things I want are a kingpin and black cat movie that is about Kingpins true power, and could even have dare devil or punished appear for a fight scene or something. The other one is a Spiderman vs venom movie with knull, but we should probably wait til after kingpin to do that. I just want to see venom and Spiderman fight
They would never put Punisher in the Spider-Man movies
@OVOJermey then again, punisher's first appearance was in a spider-man comic, so it might happen
You should make a Sonic 3 of this
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We already know most of the stuff thats happening though because of the trailer
Things Sony is supposedly strongly considering for Spider-Man 4:
- it’ll be a cosmic level plot that’ll apparently softly bridge the gap between Sony’s spin-off universe, and Marvel’s MCU (specifically with their semi-popular Venom franchise)
- it may or may not take place on Doom’s Battleworld (supposedly Sony’s golden ticket to attach their franchise to Marvel’s… which would ultimately keep Sony’s/Marvel’s Spider-Man deal alive)
- Tobey and Andrew are rumored to return and assist Tom’s Spider-Man in his new quest
- Tom Hardy is rumored to also return to play and voice Eddie Brock/Venom respectively.
- Knull from Venom the last Dance is STRONGLY rumored to be returning as the primary antagonist of Spider-Man 4 (he’s supposedly going to be around for a little while, almost acting as Sony’s answer to Thanos/Kang/Doom)
- This will supposedly be the movie that starts a whole Saga of Tom’s Spider-Man wearing the Symbiote until he eventually takes it off, quite a few years down the line.
Now sure how much of that will come true, but it’s the rumors I’ve heard the most regarding Spider-Man 4.
Sony are gonna kill the movie
knull doesn't count as a Sony villain, he was in venom 3 for 2 seconds.
It’s looking like Spider-Man 4 is gonna be with Sony venom and knull according to scoopers I think it’s a really cool idea to have Spider-Man and venom team especially considering Tom hardy venom really needs to interact with a Spider-Man already, but yeah I think that’s actually not a bad idea and I don’t even like the venom movies that much I do love the character of venom in other media tho like the ps1 game or animated series
Knull is an avengers level threat type villain, not a friendly neighbourhood street level classic comic villain. The ending of spider-man: no way home is an ending that makes way and leads into the direction of a friendly neighbourhood street level spider man.
Cool but laaaame and dumb.
Villain: Knull. Setting:battle world. Friends: Miles morales,Peter 3, Peter 2. Release date: July 24 2026.( official release date). Peter 3 and Peter 2 might be at the end
You know what you should do right now?
Watch transformers one in cinemas near you right this moment
if. they. do. not. bring. back. shocker. and. scorpion………..I SWEAR TO GO-
I agree with all of this. I just hope Punisher doesn’t show up in the movie, unless Daredevil is present. Idk why, it just doesn’t feel right to bring in Punisher unless Daredevil is involved. Jessica Jones would be acceptable, we already got our Daredevil cameo anyway (two of them), so I’d like to see Jessica Jones appear
i just want black cat and/or daredevil as a main role in the trilogy
What do you think of this storyline for the next MCU spiderman trilogy?
Spiderman 4 Black Cat as friend/enemy/love interest, contrasting MJ in many ways, and Ned as Hobgoblin forgeting Peter. with Kingpin and Symbiote as a setup, Peter rages over the spell that caused Ned to become a villain (Kingpin influences Ned like Tony influenced Peter), Doomsday and Secret Wars has Peter in the black suit he wears for the first time in the credits.
Then Spiderman 5 as a full on war against Kingpin and the Sinister Six (Scorpion, Vulture forgets Peter so he hates spiderman now, Prowler, maybe a sorcerer Mysterio or a believer who takes the mantle, Hobgoblin and Black Cat) he forms, with Daredevil as the secondary hero. Spiderman can't win without losing himself to the black symbiote suit which daredevil helps navigate.Ned dies at the end.
Spiderman 6, Peter had PTSD with the suit cause of how violent it makes him. Getting rid of the suit forms Venom, Flash Thompson and delves into his story (He's also in MIT and becomes jaded towards spiderman throughout 4 and 5). The secondary hero is Miles Morales, who becomes Spiderman in the final act while helping out as a civilian throughout most of the movie. In the end Peted retires and gets back with MJ regaining her memories.
He might get the black suit either during Secret Wars or at the end of Spider-Man 4… or the beginning of Spider-Man 4 shit who knows.
I agree for the most part but Black Cat could and probably would work if done right. But I definitely see them using the Sony villains, especially with that Venom remanent cameo in NWH.
In Spiderman 5 or 6 They could do venom and the black suit
I want a street level movie but the way things are going its unlikely. If they are doing a multiversal movie id at least be fine with it if the characters from the animated miles morales sony movies were there. It would be cool, and if the animated characters were there along with tobey tom and andrew, it would make it feel like it isn't toms movie, and distract from the gimmick of the three spider men. Id still be concerned about when they actually give tom a street level movie, because eventually they have to.
This may be a hot take, but I think Civil War should've been the third Avengers movie, since it gives all of them a pretty decent amount of spotlight, while slightly greater for Cap. This would've made Infinity War the fourth, and Endgame the fifth. Idk, I feel like Endgame being the fifth Avengers movie would've been nice.
If Black Cat shows up I might just drool in the movie theater
1:41 2 things here. For one, introducing Black Cat would make the movie a romance we don't need romantic subplot to affect the main plot that much, and I'm 99% sure Marvel doesn't either, considering they really don't put that much emphasis on romance in their MCU movies. For second, Spiderman is meant to be this sarcastic, funny character like yea they can go in a dark tone a bit similar to Kung Fu Panda 2, but not much more than that. Spiderman needs to retain what makes him spiderman, and it's not just his powers. And if one movie in the MCU deserves to still be PG-13, it's probably Spiderman because that's kind of essential to what the character is, at least in my eyes
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3:08 What's with this "new trilogy" deal? Spiderman 4 will 100% be the final MCU spidey movie. It happens between Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars, and the MCU reboots after that with new actors. There won't be a "Spiderman 5" or "Spiderman 6"
The entirety of Homecoming was going to homecoming… with a girl he liked. 😂
Tom already said they want to make more Spider-Man movies and he wants to aswell, so… you’re saying a whole lotta nothing in this comment ngl
@@OVOJermey It isn't the main focus.
@@OVOJermey It still doesn't fit in the MCU in any way shape or form unless they continue it after Secret Wars which is probably not a good idea
@@diaryofarobot Dawg secret wars is a soft reboot, they will focus on the Xmen after secret wars, no more avengers blockbusters… good thing spidey isn’t an avenger. You’re yapping.
The only thing that can ruin Spider-Man 4 is Sony
Here I am going to tell a story about what I would like to see in Holland's new trilogy, so, grab your bag of popcorn 🍿 and enjoy this story I have prepared for you.
I would like Peter to be in college in a low-key way, but yes making friends like Harry Osborn, but here would also be Felicia Hardy studying and both Peter and Felicia develop a slightly flirtatious relationship with each other and such. Later, Black Cat tries to steal something but is intercepted by Spider-Man, though she manages to escape; the whole film would have a gang theme with a villain like Hammedhead or the Kingpin, but a somewhat main cat-and-mouse subplot with Peter and Felicia. The film would end with them discovering their secret identities, but with Black Cat redeeming herself and becoming a partner with Spider-Man against crime. The post-credits scene would be the villain saying he has an ace up his sleeve. The second movie I would mainly focus on the two of them having disputes like her doing things that don't go with Spider-man's values because she used to be a thief. Oh, and I would also introduce Gwen Stacy here as a friend, and I'm going to stress this: FELICIA HARDY IS NOT GOING TO BE JEALOUS OF GWEN STACY because they are going to be great friends, but without knowing the secret identities of both of them. By the end, the two solve their problems and Peter asks her an important question: -Will you live with me?- Felicia says yes very happily and ends the movie; the post-credits scene would be to reveal that Felicia has been working all this time for Hammerhead or Kingpin. The third and final part of the trilogy, would begin after a mini-fight with some gangsters, Peter discovers Felicia's association with the criminal mastermind of the entire trilogy, in Kingpin. Throughout the movie, Peter would be very angry and resentful towards her, but with his friends consoling him because he told them it was an infidelity or something (by the way, Felicia already left school; she got out because she didn't need to go anymore) and with Gwen being one of Peter's life supports, that at points a little late in the movie, there would be a small, but reciprocal love. I would also have Felicia be the Kingpin's right-hand woman for the entire movie, but having more and more doubts knowing that the future of our favorite web-head is going to be underground, when she was promised by her father's rumba that he was going to be left alive. By the end of the movie, Felicia sacrifices herself for Peter, like Harry in Spider-Man 3. The movie would also end like Spider-man 3 or TASM 2, with a somewhat devastated Peter but rising up to fight for Harry, Aunt May and Felicia’s memory, but above all, for Gwen.
The only other suit that Peter should get is the symbiote suit (secret wars maybe?)
I agree with almost everything you’re saying except the Sony movies are not “garbage” and it’s rumored that Sony is making a Black Cat movie. But yeah, I don’t want Sony’s characters in the next MCU Spider-Man movie because I’ve already suffered enough with NO WAY HOME.
They aren’t making a black cat movie, what was rumored was Sydney Sweeney being in talks for Black Cat, never said anything about a movie.
If Peter and MJ do get back together I think MJ shouldn't get her memory back
Please don't make Sydney Sweeney black cat, she's really not a good actor and would ruin the movie
i think it would make sense for this movie to have multiversal elements since its releasing between both Avengers movies, but it could have possibly a subplot or start out with a street level story to set up a future bogger street level plot
I hope that peter stays forgotten and has to befriend everyone again over strange doing some crazy spell to reverse all the magic.
I need spider man 4 to be street level and black cat to be introduced eventually
I want Harry Osborn to be introduced, and Gwen Stacy to become Peters love interest. Make it a street level movie, where Peter fights the mob, maybe a Daredevil cameo.
I want to see Scorpion and Vulture as the main villains of Spiderman 4. After Peter's memory got wiped vulture doesn't remember him hence he blames Spiderman for being in prison with Scorpion.
Now that he already fought Green Goblin, I want Kingpin to be Spider-Man's new arch enemy moving forward.
Naw
I think the best way to bring back Mj is if Peter protects her like in TASM 2 by watching her (or spider stalking)
Yeah that would be a smaller role compared to what she got in FFH and NWH
Bro all three spidey are gonna come back and venom cuz roach probably got earts 616 and all of the things i just said sony approved them the marvel version that dissaproved had kingpin hire alot of supervillain and i think they said something about blackcat in the marvel version
I mean Tom and Zendaya are together as a couple, could Zendaya just be reading the script with her man to support him? It doesn’t necessarily mean she’s in the movie right?..
It would be dope if the eventually had peter met deadpool aa he would be the only one to remember or just know him
We’re in the multiverse saga so bringing Tobey and Andrew back makes sense
I would like the movie to have black cat and really introduce that dillemma for peter, and maybe we can have it be like 16 plus, so we can have that dynamic with black cat and not exactly tame like a pg 13 but it definitely doenst have to be r
Heard its after doomstay maybe will introduce venom suit because in the comics,guess witch suit peter wore in secret wars
I completely agree, however i see no issue with a street level movie, also tobey ahd andrew should come back again at one point
They also need to bring Rhino, it would only make sense.
scorpion should be the villain in spiderman 4 we need scorpion as villain of spiderman 4 hired by the king pin and daredevil will be cameo teaming up against king-pin
Bro is manifesting the whole film😂
Ok, um I think I missed something cuz I really thought Kingpin died at the end of Hawkeye. Is he revealed to still be alive in Echo? I didn't watch that.
Wait till after the mutiverse saga ends to do street level. Might as well make the most of it now instead of it coming back in later. If you want street level spiderman go watch the tobey and andrew films
the only thing i want in spiderman 4 is carter pc doing thugshake
I think it should be a street level film that expands on the scorpion and prowler set up in homecoming. Those would be great as villains and we already saw donald glover in the prowler suit in across the spiderverse. Introducing black cat or gwen stacy would be good. I don’t wanna see MJ back at all.
what a great list! such a shame Sony will do all of these things in the first 10 minutes
I hope the Sony villains appear in Spider-Man 4, so that they can have more than 1 appearance. Maybe at the beginning of the film, I want to see Knull execute Madame Web and the Spider-women
Knull being in spiderman 4 is a great idea to end the sony verse
I’ve seen so many people screaming for Black Cat to be included in Spider-Man 4, and whilst she’s a fantastic character, at this point she doesn’t work, Peter is alone, he’s grieving Aunt May, he still misses MJ and Ned, he doesn’t want to be Peter Parker anymore. Daredevil went through a similar character arc in his own show about going solo and trying to kill Kingpin, and if you have my ideal set of villains, being Kingpin, Silvermane, Mr Negative and Scorpion, Peter primarily being Spider-Man and fighting organised crime whilst pushing away Matt’s help and advice, not realising he really needs it until the end works best. If you introduce Black Cat here, it would screw over the whole Peter missing MJ thing, if anything, she should be in Spider-Man 5, but I have a completely different idea involving the Symbiote, Hobgoblin, Rhino, Norman Osborn and Gwen Stacy, triggering Peter’s trauma.
I swear everyone psyoped themselves into believing Kingpin and Felicia HAS to show up in SM4
Kingpin doesn’t have to but a mention would be nice, Spider-Man 5 could be another kingpin sent villain and Spider-Man 6 is a Daredevil and Spidey team up movie, but this all depends on the daredevil show.
Also Black Cat is perfect rn, Peter and MJ isn’t together, he’s lonely and no one knows him, sees a baddie (literally) that shows “interest” in him, easy. He’s in a dark place rn, no better choice than to have Felicia in this movie as a “love” interest so they don’t put Peter and MJ together so soon.
Unfortunately Sony doesn't wanna do things right 😢 they seem to be determined to spoil Spider man 4. I keep telling myself "Let's just wait for the best, shall we?" 😂
They should introduce Gwen instead of black cat as he could spend time thinking it could turn out the same way Andrew’s Gwen did but by the end of the fourth film he could overcome that but then in the fifth film she could die and then the sixth film could be that it’s been awhile and he finally gets back together with MJ but 6 has to take place a while after 5 or it won’t work same with 4 and 5
Clown didn't get the memo that spiderman 4 gonna be multiversal
If they have Peter and MJ get back together or have Tobey and/or Andrew play major parts, I'm leaving the theatre.
Cappp you know you staying out of curiosity 🙃
I want mj to slowly gain her memory of Peter back over the films then maybe by the end of the second film or middle of the third film she gains her memories back completely
Or permanently stay like that. Maybe Michelle Jones can have a smaller role compared to what she got in FFH and NWH. She got a small role in HC. Maybe when Peter learns to accept it and move on then Peter will soon forget about Michelle and not care for her and she would be replaced by Black Cat
btw Kingpin was killed in Hawkeye
Bro there was new episode of the penguin
after watching madame web, never let sony cook again 😭
leave marvel to cook on this film and do not mess with it istfg 😭🙏
Ngl I think Sin Eater (Robert Patrick) would be the perfect villain for this movie
honestly they can bring Tobey and Andrew but just for a post-credits scene of them doing the bully Maguire dance together
That wouldn’t fit the vibe Spider-Man 4 should be going for tho
I actually disagree about the Knull part. I think he's clearly going to be in this trilogy and it'll be fine. I'm also fine with Tom Hardy's Venom being in it (although I kinda doubt at this point). But how I would personally play it out is make him the big bad for Spider-Man 5 and have him as well as the symbiote storyline brought into the MCU still be teased in Spider-Man 4. The Spidey and Daredevil team up to take down Kingpin would be best done in Spider-Man 6.
It makes 0 sense to have the guy who ripped Sentry in half be a villain in a Spider-Man trilogy, LITERALLY 0.
7/7 Fire Takes In my opinion
I agree with these just if it’s gonna be a multiverse movie than they should not introduce cat women
I want Childish Gambino Prowler as a villain and that’s about it 🙏
2:18 so we know this is after doom so what if Tom is not in doom but tobey and andrew is and in the end of the movie we see them escaping something and in the post credits we see them seek help from Tom
I think you should do this for the super Mario movie 2. That would be very interesting to see you Do that video.
Nerfing venom in spiderman 4 is another mistake, they should make him stay the same, he was very op in the comics and video games when it comes to live action he becomes mashed shit i just want him to stay the same just like how he was introduced in the 3 venom movies
We can live with a spider am without Black cat. But i have to admit, it would be cool to see her.
I CANT, IF THEY DONT I DIE. 🦅
I would like to see a video like this for Jurassic World Rebirth
I think black cat could be mj like maybe without someone like Peter mj goes down a different path
Would be great if ned n mj started dating which will probably break Peter 😂
This is something comics would absolutely do😂
And Peter should move on with black cat
Im not gonna lie id much rather see silk in spider man 4 than black cat
Black Cat's only gimmick is that she's hot. That's literally it. I've read ever comic with her. Not introducing Black Cat I'm completely fine with. I think Black Cat has a character could be explored deeply and is long overdue for a live action film, but she shouldn't be treated as the main love interest, rather a toxic relationship Peter gets himself into.
She isn’t a main love interest, she’s a rebound. Too late for Gwen and Liz was already in Homecoming so only option is Black Cat 🤷♂️
@OVOJermey why is it too late for gwen?
because she’d be a one and done, it’s dumb, Gwen needs to be fleshed out. It won’t make sense especially since Andrew already said what happens to Gwen.
@OVOJermey she could easily be someone in his college or whatever it's in America. Love interest since mj doesn't remember him.
@@number1chesschampionsket683 Dude, he didn’t tell Mj to keep her safe, why would he get with Gwen after hearing that she dies? Think chess THINK!
They will bring back Andrew and Tobey whether toy guys like it or not unfortunately, for me, they should save it for secret wars.
Will Scorpion be appears in Spiderman 4 Movie?
Peter and MJ shouldn't get back together, I want Liz Allan
Love your vids stay on the grind 💯
mj vs black cat ❤ Spider-man
Can someone please explain to me what's happening with shameik moore? All of a sudden everyone is labeling this dude as a creep and hates them. I'm completely out of the loop
Keep doing these please
Black Cat is the girl Peter sometimes settles for because she can take care of herself. Spider-man 4 would be a good time to do something like that.
I just feel like this is all he wants for Spiderman 4
Ngl id like to see deadpool in spiderman 4 but thats aint happening
You didn't cook much bro we all wanna see knull in this bro
50 shades of grey 😂😂😂
What's wrong when it is street level film we already had enough of multiverse
Make for dr strange 3. Please!!!! Please!!!!.❤❤❤❤❤
Zendaya ruins every scene she's in for me. Her MJ always acting too smart for what's going on just makes me roll my eyes.
Ah yes can't wait for spider man new day spider man daybreaker spiderman one last day
+ having black cat but not having Sydney Sweeney play her
Real
Her acting is trash
I want Gwen in this movie 🎥