Honestly the game itself isn't the issue it's the player base. VRChat isn't about progression it's about socialization and adding an in-game economy isn't going to fix that. The mirror dwellers are still going to sit in front of those damn mirrors. The 11 year olds are still going to run around screaming and calling you racial slurs while bragging about their sexual prowess with your mother. The horny teenagers are going to be horny. The desperate incels...are going to be horny and bitter about it. I had a blast in VRC just this last weekend. Why? It was all about who I found myself playing along side. WE made it interesting and fun.
Damn wtf that comment was so perfectly written, kinda wish I said that in my video now ahahha But yeah I totally agree, vrchat is a social platform, perhaps there's other ways to entice those darn mirror dwellers out of their hypnotic stance 😂 Or perhaps they are just doomed for But yeah it's all about the people you play along side, they are what make vrchat great!
Vrchat is one of those games we’re you need to make/find your own fun, if you go to the same world or do the same thing every time, of course you will get bored. I would prefer players to check out the new or recently updated world to find fun
Every time I go on vrchat, I would just always be standing in the corner of the room while I watch people being weirdos and get scared if I even try to talk to one of them
Same, it’s hard to find normal people to talk to. I like the premise of the game but as someone who is in a relationship it seems like a lot of the servers end up just being a glorified dating app
@@LayneR1 anytime recently I even attempt to chill or talk to folks in vr chat, trying to help with my Irl social anxiety the most toxic fk's are in most the servers and ruin the whole social aspect
@@jonathankelley5334I used to go on there for that reason and I haven't been on in a couple years now. I found that sometimes you gotta treat real life like a video game at first, in order to break through the veil of social anxiety and see life without fear in your heart. Yeah it's real life, real people but the only thing you gain in VR Chat is anonymity to a certain extent and I found it sad once I started making friends; I wasn't branching out and talking to people where I lived. Like Jesus said, you gotta love your neighbors and your enemies. What I learned in my time in VR Chat and on the internet is that all people act differently online due to a lack of fear of being humiliated for their actions; that being said, true colors show, all of them. But it doesn't mean that you can't make a difference or impact the trolls in a positive way. They want you to be angry, or maybe they just don't understand how to act politely, or they have a lack of empathy due to some trauma, but they'll never tell you why they act this way. All of them are damaged in one way or another and I believe it is our job to help those around us. So whoever reads this, remember that what Jesus meant by turning the other cheek was that you must teach your enemy forgiveness by being forgiving, and love by loving. Cheesy, but it puts things into perspective for me at least. When I realized that, I started living a life outside, and I've met some really cool people even just by buying things off facebook marketplace. I met a beekeeper that way, and even got to help him with his hives on my day off! You can't do that in VR Chat! And is it still awkward for me to meet people in real life? Absolutely, but it's 100% worth it and it's not as awkward as it used to be for me. Now I know my faith in Christ might throw you off since there are a lot of christians that are hypocrites. But really I'm serious, when I pray to God I know He's helping me meet some really nice people and get over my fears because I know He's walking with me every step of the way. Corny preachy comment I know, blagh!!! But my fear is gone :)
Same. Talking to people is terrifying, even irl. I mean I can rehearse what I want to say in my mind over and over again but when I try to speak, I missed up. My society anxiety I can't....
I recently revisited VRChat to interview people as part of a social experiment project that I’m working on for college. I’ve recorded nearly 10 hours of footage, and at least 6 hours of said footage has been people either harassing me for approaching them to start a conversation or instantly blocking me “because I sound white” (yes, multiple people have said that) For a social game, it’s so weird how 90% of the people in this game hate when people try talking to them. That’s like going to a concert and everyone gets upset and throws a riot when the band starts playing music on the stage.
I know sad really I love talking and meeting new people as well as making friends on this game but I’ve found myself in friends+ instances a lot recently due to just running into way too many rude ass people but I still find myself missing that spark that happens when I meet new people who I vibe with.
Where are you hanging out? I primarily hang out in moderated Group, Group+, and Group Public instances at music events and largely it's folks who are really friendly and want to dance with you, talk to you, or drink/smoke with you Maybe in like 5-10 hours of play, I will run into 2-3 toxic people or trolls and they either get blocked by a lot of folks or kicked from the world I help run some of music events too and usually I only have to moderate one or two people in a whole 6-12 hour long event
I do think part of being not boring has to do with the amount of time you spend on VRChat. Even very fun things become boring nor not as exciting as they were originally. When I found myself becoming unexcited to play for a period of time, I took a 3 week break where I decided to play other games I had, and came back feeling fresh and excited. I think it's very healthy to experience this, and highlights the importance of having a balance in games. Even I as a VRChatter most of the time likes to play other games here and there.
I think over saturation is a big thing in many aspects of life, including gaming. People get bored because they just sit in front of their screen 24/7 and constantly play games and look for new games. Taking a break and just finding another way to spend your time is probably the best advice for really anything
This is what I was hoping to find in a video like this. Instead, I found a video that compares a social platform with videogames, which is very flawed.
your biggest mistake is thinking VRChat is a game. When it's actually a creative platform with games in it. You're supposed to use it as a creative canvas. This argument is like, "ugh.. youtube isn't fun anymore because i can't progress in this game.... I watch videos all day and everything feels the same." Without ever thinking about making your own content.
Maybe you should just try going into public worlds and talking to people? Like you’re supposed to? Y’know, socializing in the SOCIAL game? VRchat isn’t a game built for progression, it’s not about achieving goals. It’s about meeting and interacting with other players. It’s called vrCHAT because that’s what you’re supposed to do, chat.
HA! No. Tooooo many children, tooooo many crashers, tooooo many people blasting shite music, toooo many mirror dwellers. But i still like vrc, just not touching pubs.
@druid7575. Block children, change safety settings so only friends avatars show cause fuck crashers, mute the kid playing shitty music. And as for the mirror dwellers just ignore them like they are ignoring everyone else’s. Boom problem solved.
@@anthonywoods6953 as someone thats friends with a few members in laughing coffin, crashers dont always need the avi shown to crash someone.. after all, questies need to manually show avis, and if you are wanting to crash questies out of a world, you cant just hope they all showed your avi. Most modern crashers use software that bypasses the safeties in vrc.. and no eac doesnt stop it.
I've thought about this question a lot. I think there's no obvious *single* answer, but definitely part of it is the following: The player base is extremely segmented as a result of years of allowing the game to be 13+ when it has no business being that way. To expand; the game has no business being anything other than 18+. Not only do adults not want to play with little kids, but vice versa, mostly anyway. The game is about socializing, VR"CHAT", but no actual adult wants to socialize with a child, so you're splitting the player base automatically and creating a minefield that adults have to step through simply to interact with a new person. Could this person be a minor? Do you want to run the risk of interacting with one when you have no intention of that? Not really, no. Also - I don't need to actively raise this point, but I will, anyone who has played VRChat knows that it's simply not an environment for younger people, even IF it's heavily moderated and policed. You know exactly what I mean if you've ever played it. As a result of the game's segmentation - people now exclude themselves from public worlds, and congregate in private/friend+/friends, whatever. It's simply not worth the risk, or the waste of time, to peruse around in Public worlds. I started playing this game in Jan 2018, and I can tell you back then all I wanted to do was public world hop. It was intoxicating exploring new worlds, meeting cool people, simply exploring a cultural phenomenon. I couldn't get enough of it. But that feeling is lost, much like your video premise states, for most people. This game desperately needs to put itself back into that position of being full of wonder and excitement, because as of right now it's essentially a virtual playground for 1 population (kids) and a private meet up app for the rest (adults or PC VR players, typically). There needs to be common ground for the public player base again to meet and interact, or it becomes a closed loop of continuously decaying fun. But you cannot find that common ground when the public worlds are 90% young kids. I took a long break from playing, and came back, and took another break, and sometimes I'll play, but it's simply never going to live up to the early days. And that's a shame, because you could easily re-generate that environment again of chaotic fun. And that's ultimately what I think is missing from this game - Players play a game until their model making algorithm in their mind runs out of ideas or potential new routes to pursue. When you feel like you've had every interaction you could ever have on a game, you start to become bored. It's completely natural, but with VRchat, the boredom comes from poorly optimized social interaction structure, and that's not necessarily a players fault. I could go on about this topic forever probably, because it's something I've thought about a lot, but thanks for making the video and talking about the topic. This game has limitless potential and it's squandered in the name of increasing the active player #s at all costs, and that's a shame, because I ultimately think it is to the detriment of the experience.
I completely agree with you. I first started around late 2017 early 2018 and it was a blast then. Everything even the people seemed more approachable then. Now things seem more segregated and about impossible to get into any private worlds etc because of being stuck in public with the younger crowd and not being able to meet any new people to get into a more age appropriate world. It still has it's moments but I'm not meeting random people staying up late as hell having fun nearly as much as I used to.
I began VRChat just last December after purchasing the Quest 2. I can say that from my experience, Its harder to enjoy VRChat when their is no friend group or friend to play it with. It gets quit lonely after a while but Ive also heard and seen some dangerous things that go on throughout the platform such as the "Dark Side of VRChat" You tend to start seeing ERP, Online Daters that could be a 14 year old girl with a 20 year old man, the drinking groups, etc. Mirrior dwellers are the main thing that you see in my opinion. I am basically a mirrior dweller without my friend group LOL. But honestly, overall the game dies after a while once you begin playing. You just need to find new experience to keep the fun going.
yep. I beg my sister, my boyfriend... Nothing. I'm alone. And weird to find new people. In this day and age, a VG like VRChat that can reunite people who are away from eachother living in different parts of the world is a really good way to do it... the tech is here. If you don'thave a quest you have a pc.. you can do it.. but people don't want to.
I have almost nearly 3000 hours in VRChat as of December 1st - 2023 and i still absolutely love the game. I enjoy exploring the worlds and seeing all the creations. I love meeting new people and generally hang out in public worlds half the time for the somewhat chaotic and crazy nature of it, while the other half i will spend in a nice ASMR world of rain and thunder to help me calm down or relax after a day at work. I don't see it not "being as fun" or worrying so much about your "rank" as most folks can easily tell when someones there to be a nuisance or to chill and chat. The biggest issue i see happening to people getting "bored" is mainly due to the fact they aren't willing to even try anymore. Yeah you will meet negative people, trolls, assholes etc. but if you let it get to you, of course you'll have a bad time. Stop worrying about what other people are doing and focus on you and make it what you want.
It's the new influx of mirror dwellers. VRChat used to be about having fun and making random friends and goofing around. Now people take VRChat too seriously and think it's a second life.
I think your perspective and expectations of VRChat might be a bit off. Not that any ideas you mentioned are bad, but what you want is a metaverse, something like oldschool "Second Life" but in VRChat. Thing is VRChat is really only ever that - a chat in VR. Sure you can play games in there, but all it ever be is just a social hangout place. I never went online and thought even for a second that I need to "rank up" or collect badges and the like, that is simply not the driving point of the app to begin with. I wouldn't mind either of your ideas as said, but again I don't really believe it needs any of this. I simply believe you get bored because you project a game onto the app, which it never will be and thus you ran out of things to chase. If you maybe take a step back, take a break and embrace it for what it is, then I believe you'll get a different kind of enjoyment out of the app. I clocked in over 1k hours and truly I am bored as well with VRChat, but I know it is more a me issue since I am getting more and more overwhelmed with the amount of kids running and screaming around, and probably the community in general, it really changed for the worse over the years. It's still a great place to hang out with friends and basically just chill. I would love to play a "VR GTA" as you phrased it, but that isn't VRChat.
2:44 would be the best thing ever, like resonite except without having to learn a million things. I would love an rpg or quest eliment to vrchat just to give some fun goals for the day.
Less kids, Less isolating 2017-2018 you used to load into a public world with people, it was all about socializing and being silly/having fun with people.
I'd be okay with that if VRChat was a good platform for games, but right now saving player data is basically impossible so nothing but round-based minigames can be made..
Playing games isn't this games main purpose, it's about talking to strangers and meeting people. I've met dozens of really good friends on VRChat and without this game, I would of never had those opportunities. I have really bad anixety when it comes to talking to someone face to face. With this game it made it easier to just talk to people because I knew I can just leave the conversation or leave the world and go back to my comfort zone. Progression isn't needed in a game where it's main soul is to talk with strangers and make new friends, or just to make people laugh with the stuff you create.
I made friends who enjoyed playing more games and active stuff on vrchat like random dungeons escape rooms rp (not erp) and have fun that way. Never really sitting and talking for hours just exploring while talking that’s just my personal play style.
also the thing you say at 3:05 is allready true for some ppl. i know ppl who work in/with vrchat or surrounding areas and the rest you can just do for free anyways
I wanted to play vrchat cause thought it would be fun to roleplay and play as random Stuff. Now that i have a oculus. I hope people still play vrchat for the purpose of having fun
The premise of this video is unfortunately very flawed. It starts off stating that VRChat is a game, and therefor, is comparable to other games. VRChat is not exactly a game at all, it's a social platform. The intended "gameplay" is to meet up with people, socialize, or even just roam around, explore what others have built. I came into this video thinking this would be about stuff you should try out in VRChat to make it more interesting, like finding certain groups or worlds. Also, if you want to compare the progression of a game to an MMO of sorts (I consider GTA Online an action MMO), I'd recommend picking one of the more popular MMORPGs instead, like World of Warcraft, Runescape or Final Fantasy 14. In GTA V, there isn't much progression besides the story, and in GTA Online, most progression is mostly just in-game money to make. In the more popular MMORPGs, a money reward is often not that interesting, it is certain items or titles that people strive for.
Personally for me i liked how simple it was it used to be like you would hop in a world. When your bored and you would explore around and most of the time i would find like another guy or group of guys n girls and they were mainly all adults. Just vibing i would usually go on with my rift. And would occasionally have a drink be a little buzzed. And id find a group of other people who were buzzed. Now its like u hop on and u see a bunch of little kids all wanting to start drama, or like a random ass 28 year old with a kid. Alot of weird ass pedophilia shit. Or just creepy ass adults who u talk to for 30 mins and suddenly they want to be creepy and want to erp with you or want to be in a relationship. As a person whos married and just wants to Hop on when im bored af its just a bit weird. I eventually got fbt and would dance but. Most people want to sit at a mirror and tbh im not judging but most of em use voicemod or add effects and gain to there voice to make it sound deeper then what it really is
Idk if y’all want anything different to do besides stare at a mirror the militants of ethrafa is a Bio horror military simulation. We basically go pew pew, and we fight other groups similar to us. We’re a society who has been around for years in vrchat and honestly, it’s really fun, never a dull moment and I’ve been here for over a year, there’s always new people to meet, there’s always new to learn and there’s always events we do.
I have 148 hours so far in vrchat I have still been looking for cool avatars and explore worlds. When I'm bored of that I like to play on that chess world since it's the easiest way for me to talk to new people. I also have been getting into avatar editing/uploading.
You're right VRChat isn't as fun as it used to be because of all the mirror dwellers and people who get angry at you for saying "hi" (happened to me). Also, Someone replied with another phenomenon that "lower ranking" users get ignored for their rank which is unfortunately a very common trend it puts down users who aren't ranked as "trusted" etc. I miss the good 'ol days with Ugandan Knuckles #MakeVRChatGreatAgain and welcome back Toastette I love your content!❤
i see alot of people get straight ignored for their low levels which is shitty because if it’s your first day and all higher levels (trusted and such) are ignoring and or talking down on you that can put you off the game
That's so true I didn't think of that, the rank hierarchy sucks in vrchat, it's like the elites and the peasants. Some Trusted users are rude to literally anyone else with a lower rank, Hopefully they do something about that and yes I loved the good old days too, it felt more real and fun and authentic, I'm sure it'll be back, if not then I'll bring it back, Also thanks for leaving a comment cutie and thanks for being early, I love ya 😊💕
I wish nice people would come up to me and just say “hi”. Want to have a decent conversation and become friends. So tired of everyone just looking for ERP
the reasoning in vrchat is kinda off. you're treating the game for something that it isnt. in othe rgames, of course the goal is progression and eventually finishing the game, but VRchat is more like social media of the virtual world. its like saying youtube, twitter or reddit arent fun because they do not feature any games. they dont exist to solve a goal, they exist to connect people. the "goal" if you really are looking for one is to have fun with the community, to interact and just have fun
I think the main issue is people not finding the right group, maybe its just not the socializing game for them, your supposed to pick what lobby you play, theirs plenty of games to pick from, many people choose the lobbies or games that consists of the same and possibly boring people or group. I think the most entertaining way of playing vrchat ofc in my opinion is make friends, and once you have your group find games that isn't just mirror dwelling or connect with those friends maybe even through a mirror and get to know eachother. The main reason I played vrchat was an escape and the maion escape was the friends I made and the ones I connected with wethger through a mirror or through playing a horror game on their or some random fun game. I think its all about who you surround yourself with. bc if you sit in a lobby like black catr and except something to happen without making an effort to meet people or actually go to instances that are actual games and not just asocial lobby, your most likely gonna be bored.
honestly i agree with some of these points but don’t think they would ever actually get implemented into vrchat as vrchat isn’t meant to be game it’s meant to be a social experience you’re meant to talk to people if you look at gta its just a bunch of random people running around there isn’t much socialising with vrchat it’s the opposite it’s in the name vr “chat”
That's true but you can still socialise if it was like gta, it would have a more real, society feel rather than a game feel Idk but I would love it lmao And thanks for being early!!! Also thanks for leaving a comment, I love ya cutie 😊 💕
What u want is a complete change of genre of the game which isn't possible and wouldn't be VRChat. What u actually want are game devs making full-scale games on worlds, like Project Aincrad.
Holy shit if any of this is implemented ill never touch this game again, vr chat doesnt even have entities that can be taken between maps other than avatars, they dont allow it and never will, like youll never bring a plane from test pilots to a bar its literally functionally impossible for how this game is made, thats something resonite can do
There are worlds in VRchat that have virtual currency you earn, but that's about it. You can only have such features if someone created a world with such stuff. From what I know about the game, it's more about socializing, creativity, creating stuff for the community, and expressing yourself. I understand the concept, it's enough for me. I enjoy meeting people and doing group activities from groups. There's always something you can do as VRchat has a lot more to offer than what you think. Roleplaying Gaming Chill Group activities Community events Live percomences like DJs Conventions All things I found in VRchat
i havent played vrchats for a good while, about 6-7 months?? i think i hopped on like 2 months ago and there was just nothing really to do or talk about and yes, it was boring. but i do agree that it should be a lot like gta. and it would add so much more to the game allowing people to have more to interact with and live the life you desire. ITS PERFECTT.
I mean its a player content driven social hub more than a game the more gamey systems across the whole thing would be bad. I think the big thing would be an SDK improvement to let player data be saved on worlds as that would allow more ambitious design. Like the afterdark arcade is one of in my opinion the most fun maps on the game. Reminds me alot of Gmod tower. With more things to do with coins you get in the map or hell perhaps different worlds with different minigames you'd have in that alone a gameplay loop that feeds back into a social hub. The map already has custom hud elements. With that you could have achivements and shit (i'm well aware there are work arounds live save codes and shit but especially in VR those just are not practical)
If that's what you want Toastette then may I recommend a separate rank that grows with rewards tied only to that progression and it based on how often you speak on the mic or type messages if you're a mute. Too often people stay quiet when I approach them in public. This would also give more purpose to singers or people who like to make public speeches as an art form.
I keep looking through new worlds to find something fun to do or scroll through avatars. Otherwise most of the playerbase get in club/bar/apartment worlds constantly then get bored. Well, what did you expect 💀
This is a copy paste from a comment I made in a different but same subject this is the second time I’ve done this copy and paste comment begins here-I remember finding VRChat back in summer of 2020 people getting interviewed about there life,people show off there avatars and exploring new and amazing worlds. Almost everyday having a blast now all I hear is drama or people leaving or taking a brake. I join back in early March of 2021 I had a blast made some friends saw many come and go it’s October 1,2023 now a days it hard to even join people or find something to do. I get on most people are on red or orange I requested off some of the people on orange and sometimes get a invite. I miss the old day I wasn’t really there at that time but I remember how things were then and how things are now.
I've started finding VRC super fun again recently now that Ive found the right communities to hang with. We do movie nights, karaoke, play random games, world hop and explore, etc... So I think VRChat can be fun as a social game alone. Though I think this idea would make it a lot more interesting than it already is! I would probably play more than just on weekends if this was the case as it would give me a reason to visit without needing planned events or my usual group of friends around me :)
This is where Resonite Differs as everything in the game is modifiable within the game can be modeled programmed and textured all without needing any extra software however 3-D modeling and texture tools are recommended to streamline the process a bit but programming and construction happened within the game/engine
Its boring because the community has been doing the same schtick over and over since vrchat start, nothing wrong with that but doing the same thing everything will get you bored, not just in vrchat but everywhere too But for me vrchat is still fun because the reason i "play" vrchat is just to visit this world that people made, some are amazing, some are empty, some is weird, and many of them is not finish yet lol But i like it, just visiting each of this world and see what the creator try to make, some so elaborate they even put lore behind it, some is made to pay respect for their cat who already gone I just self roleplaying myself as somekind of world dimension traveler (complete with astronout getup) and everytime i visit the world i just imagine and narrate myself in my own imagination story, it kinda fun
Progression doesnt need to be added, there doesnt need to be a huge new system just remove mirrors and its really down to the player. No one sits around to rank up, its just their way of sitting around virtually as opposed to doing it irl. Literally just make "im going to do nothing and contribute nothing and look at you weird if you try to talk to me" and "i am going to talk to people" lobbies. I have plenty of fun if i find the right place. And makijg your own fun is 90% of the game for me
I have a pal on vrc that said ,after he unfriended a ton of people ,his rank status (trusted user btw)went back to new user. I think this is unfair. he unfriended those people because they were annoying after a while. Personally, i think that when a player gets up in rank, their rank status should STAY and NEVER be dropped. I mean really, it's not like a user will never friend anyone again. Just leave peoples rank status alone.
I made so many friends in vr chat during the knuckles boom. We ended up playing many other games together and started our own discord servers and what not. I tried getting back into VR Chat last year after a long hiatus, but it seems like most people I've met ONLY play vr chat. As a person with many different interests, I just can't be on VR Chat all the time to keep up with people. I already have to do that IRL.
I don't think this is the reason/way of fixing it I stopped playing because everyone stopped playing games and just looked at mirrors and played music not even talking there are barely any new games just more sit and stare at a mirror and all the worlds people stopped playing
I dont want to make vrc like a grind. I go on there to see my hand full of friends and just decompress from the real world. I almost never go to public worlds now. If you stay in a group or friends plus instance its a totally different game. It does take a while to get trusted so I understand your complaint about that. I disagree with most of your points but I did enjoy the video.
That's a good point, vrchat is a way to get out of society so it probably wouldn't be the best thing to make it like a society, I didn't think of that, I appreciate your feedback it's interesting And yeah it's totally different wether you're in a private or public world or the groups you're with And thanks for leaving your opinion I appreciate it, I love ya cutie 😊💕
as a 5 yr player, you dont know actual progression from back in the day. maybe badges and purple matter to a questie with limited memory on the system or uploads, but actual endgame is rare avatar hunting and animation hunting, since it gives you street cred and also cred with the 'gangs' in vrchat. i may have to make a CORRECT video on everything thats happened. the correct answer to why vrchat worked and why alternatives didn't: vrchat is a 'theme park' with low bar of entry and ease of access to the casual player. other games want you to 'create' like neos/resonite, overte, etc and people dont want all that in their face. vrchat just gives you world and avatar buttons and sets you out into the wild to explore. without any of the old creators though who left, and questies never being able to create using unity, the people left behind are left to stagnate in a world that now never changes, and becomes increasingly smaller with successive updates no one asked for. besides that, your answer to fixing vrchat is to basically mark zuckerberg it. turn it into actual jobs and places and currencies you can get or go and do. look how metaverse did that and it went down the tubes cause it was a joke. even now, this new currency for creations in vrchat isnt taking off either. ontop of that, people are gonna be actually ANGRY with you if you wanna put quests into what they refer to as a 'social game'. how many times on forums have users literally gotten up over arms on the topic of whether or not its a real game or a chat game, let alone freaking out if they heard its got quests.
Hi im new to vr chat I tried using push to talk but it seems no one hears me, and the icon of the mic doesn't glow when I speak? is it normal? I tried enabling my microphone through the setting but they still cant hear me, or worse they ignore me xd
Perhaps the mic threshold is too high? I had to set mine near 0 for my voice to be picked up. Not sure, give it a go. If you talk without push to talk pressed, does a crossed out red mic appear? That's a sure fire sign that your mic is working.
For me, what ruined VRChat for me wasn't VRChat itself.. I started VRChat at the end of 2017 and kept getting on it almost daily till about 2021, and sort of in 2022. What killed VRChat for me was the community, most notable, the back stabbers in the VRC-RP community. I'm not saying that about everyone on VRC or in it's RP community, but there's a lot of shitty people. It's been a solid year since I stopped getting on VRC.. and honestly I don't miss it.
My progression curve right now is the creative one. Learning how to make my avatars look better, while earning those coveted "Medium" to "Excellent" rankings, and building worlds that people enjoy and get those sweet, sweet high fps out of. Because making an amazing avatar is meaningless if everyone else only ever sees your fallback, and a laggy world is an empty world. I only just joined about a month or so ago so I've got a long way to go.
I feel maybe it’s just that we grew up. We all have the memories but it just gets old overtime. We were discovering vr and now we kinda. Know everything about it. Hell I’ve seen major communities in vrc just die. Hell look at Star Wars. Clone battalion used to be everywhere but now. You rarely see em in mass.
VRchat isnt a game, really. Its a platform for usermade content, like youtube or other social medias. Theres tons of games created inside VRChat though.
Great to see you back Toastette! It's too bad you think VRChat isn't fun anymore though, I guess that's why you haven't been making videos lately? I'm not sure if you plan on phasing out this channel in the future then. I'd miss it if you did but I'd hate for you to carry it on if you didn't enjoy it, that'd be much worse. You gotta do what makes you happy (hey, get your head out of the gutter!). Anyway, great video as always.
Personally i dont think its progression. Yes theres a lot of mirror dwellers, but, you also forgot to mention something. Ive made a lot of friends during my almost 8k hours, however, theres the mirror dwellers as you mentioned but everyone i meet and "friend" either dont visit me anymore OR theyre too busy being in private worlds or being "orange/red status, sure you can request an invite and i have tried that but i dont get one when requested, the excuses i hear is "sorry i didnt see your notif (which is a bug sometimes i know) or "Sry i was busy watching this with so and so" or "sorry i was sleeping in vr" blah blah blah anyways. The progression thing is questionable because already if you're green rank or lower most people ignore you or straight up block you for no reason, i cant tell you how many times that happened to me before finally hitting "Trusted". Another fun one is ranks stick with same ranks, trusted usually only hang out with other trusted, etc theres a term for that but forgot. Also i dont go to public worlds as often anymore because theres no decency anymore, anytime i go pub theres always someone shaking their asses or full on sexual things, i dont want to see that shit everywhere i go lol the only worlds i go where i can have a fun experience anymore is the MMD worlds, all the people that go there are very chill and just want to use the MMD floor, however, that limits a lot of things because those worlds are for MMD dances so they usually dont have much to do with anything else.
I think VR or another similar game should add survival eliminates like needing to eat and drink. The option to Build homes or compounds cooking plus currency. The more popular the world the more currency VR will allow it to create by raw materials like mining , hunting and fishing, wood collection that can be used throughout VR chat to trade build survive and share.
Dont think vrchat was ever with the idea of progression besides ranking users to trusted, its a social game, the "goal" is to meet people and hang out and talk
Its a chatroom, sure you have worlds with "games" but at the end of the day its a chat room. You should expect about as much progression from it as a IRC channel.
Its interesting but there's no freedom of art and plus there's a pool of art where you can't find good avatars you'll spend so many hours trying to find them
Riff XR might have solved this problem: make it an actual game, first, and a social community, second; This way players actually have something to do while waiting to meet new people. VRChat will never be able to do this, though.
I think it's the players that are the problem, they're bored and thus boring, people go to vr chat to feel less bored, not because it's actually a fun experience that you could build social connections around
Intermixing minors with adults is the worst part of the game. I can't go into any public world without a bunch of kids screaming or so called adults just standing infront of mirrors trying to get drunk. When I first played this game in 2018 it was so much different... the maps were bigger, mirrors weren't prevalent, and it a lot easier to meet people. VRchats performance on the Quest 2 was also terrible with constant crashes. I really wish they would separate the worlds into adults / minors.
Got me with the clickbait title, but I'll bite: VRChat isn't a game. Has game-like concepts like trust levels and badges to carry like life does, but life is also not a game.
The thing is that vrchat is a game were your supposed to chat and talk with people, make friends and having a good time with them and not killing everyone with an ak 47 and flying with a opressor Mk2 so make it like a game and not a social thing would break it even more, don't you see how gta online is borring with everyone killing everyone in a lobby full of chao ?
VRchat is not a game its a platform used to connect to other players. There are games in vrchat. You already can go to virtual clubs nsfw or sfw clubs. There are tons of things to do but the problem that I see is most people are incapable of actually finding the people to do those things with outside of listen to music, dance and ofc get drunk. If we want to speak about VRChat as if it isn't just a social platform though and focus on a more gamified approach I highly suggest learning blender and Unity and making your own avatars and worlds. This not only keeps you interested and brings you into a different space but also gives you real world skills you can take to other things such as video game development. The funny thing is though because VRChat as a game is more of a sandbox MMO if you go to actual sandbox game spaces you will hear the same things echoed. Look at sea of thieves for example, in the early days. It had almost nothing to do but it wasn't about getting the best gear and the ever increasing loot. It was about the adventures you would have and the people you would meet.
Sounds like your talking about lot of stuff that the game Resonite can have already, like "having inventory and caring those objects to any world you wish" if your interested to look up that game it is free on steam :) not many know about it but thought to just mention it hearing your ideas.
Right if theres no one in a world theres just nothing to do the whole game revolves around talking 90% unless game worlds. vrchat dose need some progressing stuff for real right just purple is lame
This is not the answer lol. World creator here, progression only really works depending on the creator of the world and if you haven't touched Udon or Usharp (which is coding for worlds and allows creators to make more complex functions within said world), then you won't realize how difficult it actually is to create anything meaningful within worlds. (At least in terms of gameplay functionality/progression) You have to know pretty complex coding and even if you were able to implement progression, you can't simply leave the world and expect anything to save. Which is why most worlds with saving functions use long strings of text that you need to copy paste to a text file. However, this should all change once VRC releases the update for persistent worlds, at least when it comes to saving anything. They are also in the works of making Udon 2 which will have Usharp coding added into Udon itself, which should make it somewhat easier to make complex things without needing too much knowledge for coding. The only thing I can see that would make VRC more fun is when more people start trying to make story-driven/RPG-style worlds when the new updates for Udon 2/persistent worlds releases. This will at the very least open a gateway of experiences for people. Technically we do already have experiences like this but they are pretty hard to find if you don't know what to search for or where to look. Even with all that said though, some people just simply aren't interested in going through these experiences or playing games for that matter and just want to hangout with friends, which unfortunately can easily lead to some people getting bored when there isn't much to talk about it.
I love vrchat but I love you more cutie 😊 💕
Also I'm backkkkkkk 🎉😅
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fortnite you need 120 fps to be good i used to be really good until i downgraded and GTA you do heists to get money not rob people 😭
1:04 is wild😂
was that a belle delphene reference or an accident? XD
Honestly the game itself isn't the issue it's the player base. VRChat isn't about progression it's about socialization and adding an in-game economy isn't going to fix that. The mirror dwellers are still going to sit in front of those damn mirrors. The 11 year olds are still going to run around screaming and calling you racial slurs while bragging about their sexual prowess with your mother. The horny teenagers are going to be horny. The desperate incels...are going to be horny and bitter about it. I had a blast in VRC just this last weekend. Why? It was all about who I found myself playing along side. WE made it interesting and fun.
Damn wtf that comment was so perfectly written, kinda wish I said that in my video now ahahha
But yeah I totally agree, vrchat is a social platform, perhaps there's other ways to entice those darn mirror dwellers out of their hypnotic stance 😂
Or perhaps they are just doomed for
But yeah it's all about the people you play along side, they are what make vrchat great!
Damn straight
we got a vrc wise man
@@toastettecute
We need ready player one
Vrchat is one of those games we’re you need to make/find your own fun, if you go to the same world or do the same thing every time, of course you will get bored. I would prefer players to check out the new or recently updated world to find fun
ye exactly. exploring maps and introducing them to your friends or acquaintance in vrc is kinda fun. you get to see their reactions and stuff
Nah i usually just play prison escape or drinking night and i usually have a blast.
Discord simulator
Every time I go on vrchat, I would just always be standing in the corner of the room while I watch people being weirdos and get scared if I even try to talk to one of them
Same, it’s hard to find normal people to talk to. I like the premise of the game but as someone who is in a relationship it seems like a lot of the servers end up just being a glorified dating app
@@LayneR1 anytime recently I even attempt to chill or talk to folks in vr chat, trying to help with my Irl social anxiety the most toxic fk's are in most the servers and ruin the whole social aspect
@@jonathankelley5334I used to go on there for that reason and I haven't been on in a couple years now. I found that sometimes you gotta treat real life like a video game at first, in order to break through the veil of social anxiety and see life without fear in your heart. Yeah it's real life, real people but the only thing you gain in VR Chat is anonymity to a certain extent and I found it sad once I started making friends; I wasn't branching out and talking to people where I lived.
Like Jesus said, you gotta love your neighbors and your enemies. What I learned in my time in VR Chat and on the internet is that all people act differently online due to a lack of fear of being humiliated for their actions; that being said, true colors show, all of them.
But it doesn't mean that you can't make a difference or impact the trolls in a positive way. They want you to be angry, or maybe they just don't understand how to act politely, or they have a lack of empathy due to some trauma, but they'll never tell you why they act this way. All of them are damaged in one way or another and I believe it is our job to help those around us. So whoever reads this, remember that what Jesus meant by turning the other cheek was that you must teach your enemy forgiveness by being forgiving, and love by loving.
Cheesy, but it puts things into perspective for me at least. When I realized that, I started living a life outside, and I've met some really cool people even just by buying things off facebook marketplace. I met a beekeeper that way, and even got to help him with his hives on my day off! You can't do that in VR Chat! And is it still awkward for me to meet people in real life? Absolutely, but it's 100% worth it and it's not as awkward as it used to be for me.
Now I know my faith in Christ might throw you off since there are a lot of christians that are hypocrites. But really I'm serious, when I pray to God I know He's helping me meet some really nice people and get over my fears because I know He's walking with me every step of the way. Corny preachy comment I know, blagh!!! But my fear is gone :)
Yall just need to have a couple of beers and trust me, youll make friends.😂
Same. Talking to people is terrifying, even irl. I mean I can rehearse what I want to say in my mind over and over again but when I try to speak, I missed up. My society anxiety I can't....
I recently revisited VRChat to interview people as part of a social experiment project that I’m working on for college.
I’ve recorded nearly 10 hours of footage, and at least 6 hours of said footage has been people either harassing me for approaching them to start a conversation or instantly blocking me “because I sound white” (yes, multiple people have said that)
For a social game, it’s so weird how 90% of the people in this game hate when people try talking to them. That’s like going to a concert and everyone gets upset and throws a riot when the band starts playing music on the stage.
I know sad really I love talking and meeting new people as well as making friends on this game but I’ve found myself in friends+ instances a lot recently due to just running into way too many rude ass people but I still find myself missing that spark that happens when I meet new people who I vibe with.
@eclecticbadger6380”I play a social game, but hate it when people try and talk to me”
Where are you hanging out? I primarily hang out in moderated Group, Group+, and Group Public instances at music events and largely it's folks who are really friendly and want to dance with you, talk to you, or drink/smoke with you
Maybe in like 5-10 hours of play, I will run into 2-3 toxic people or trolls and they either get blocked by a lot of folks or kicked from the world
I help run some of music events too and usually I only have to moderate one or two people in a whole 6-12 hour long event
well do you sound white?
@@sleeve9097 I can’t see the colors of sound, but if I had to guess, it probably sounds like purple or blue
I do think part of being not boring has to do with the amount of time you spend on VRChat. Even very fun things become boring nor not as exciting as they were originally. When I found myself becoming unexcited to play for a period of time, I took a 3 week break where I decided to play other games I had, and came back feeling fresh and excited. I think it's very healthy to experience this, and highlights the importance of having a balance in games. Even I as a VRChatter most of the time likes to play other games here and there.
I think over saturation is a big thing in many aspects of life, including gaming. People get bored because they just sit in front of their screen 24/7 and constantly play games and look for new games. Taking a break and just finding another way to spend your time is probably the best advice for really anything
This is what I was hoping to find in a video like this. Instead, I found a video that compares a social platform with videogames, which is very flawed.
your biggest mistake is thinking VRChat is a game. When it's actually a creative platform with games in it. You're supposed to use it as a creative canvas. This argument is like, "ugh.. youtube isn't fun anymore because i can't progress in this game.... I watch videos all day and everything feels the same." Without ever thinking about making your own content.
being able to customize youre "vrchat home" would be game changing fr rather just finding a preset world to make home
Nothing's stopping you from creating your own world, adding whatever you want to it, and then making it your home world.
Maybe you should just try going into public worlds and talking to people? Like you’re supposed to? Y’know, socializing in the SOCIAL game? VRchat isn’t a game built for progression, it’s not about achieving goals. It’s about meeting and interacting with other players. It’s called vrCHAT because that’s what you’re supposed to do, chat.
What about the erp
HA! No. Tooooo many children, tooooo many crashers, tooooo many people blasting shite music, toooo many mirror dwellers. But i still like vrc, just not touching pubs.
@druid7575. Block children, change safety settings so only friends avatars show cause fuck crashers, mute the kid playing shitty music. And as for the mirror dwellers just ignore them like they are ignoring everyone else’s. Boom problem solved.
@@anthonywoods6953 as someone thats friends with a few members in laughing coffin, crashers dont always need the avi shown to crash someone.. after all, questies need to manually show avis, and if you are wanting to crash questies out of a world, you cant just hope they all showed your avi. Most modern crashers use software that bypasses the safeties in vrc.. and no eac doesnt stop it.
pubs are filled with assholes, general racists/sexists/homophobes/transphobes, """memers""", and kids, many, many kids
I've thought about this question a lot. I think there's no obvious *single* answer, but definitely part of it is the following: The player base is extremely segmented as a result of years of allowing the game to be 13+ when it has no business being that way. To expand; the game has no business being anything other than 18+. Not only do adults not want to play with little kids, but vice versa, mostly anyway. The game is about socializing, VR"CHAT", but no actual adult wants to socialize with a child, so you're splitting the player base automatically and creating a minefield that adults have to step through simply to interact with a new person. Could this person be a minor? Do you want to run the risk of interacting with one when you have no intention of that? Not really, no. Also - I don't need to actively raise this point, but I will, anyone who has played VRChat knows that it's simply not an environment for younger people, even IF it's heavily moderated and policed. You know exactly what I mean if you've ever played it.
As a result of the game's segmentation - people now exclude themselves from public worlds, and congregate in private/friend+/friends, whatever. It's simply not worth the risk, or the waste of time, to peruse around in Public worlds. I started playing this game in Jan 2018, and I can tell you back then all I wanted to do was public world hop. It was intoxicating exploring new worlds, meeting cool people, simply exploring a cultural phenomenon. I couldn't get enough of it. But that feeling is lost, much like your video premise states, for most people. This game desperately needs to put itself back into that position of being full of wonder and excitement, because as of right now it's essentially a virtual playground for 1 population (kids) and a private meet up app for the rest (adults or PC VR players, typically). There needs to be common ground for the public player base again to meet and interact, or it becomes a closed loop of continuously decaying fun. But you cannot find that common ground when the public worlds are 90% young kids.
I took a long break from playing, and came back, and took another break, and sometimes I'll play, but it's simply never going to live up to the early days. And that's a shame, because you could easily re-generate that environment again of chaotic fun.
And that's ultimately what I think is missing from this game - Players play a game until their model making algorithm in their mind runs out of ideas or potential new routes to pursue. When you feel like you've had every interaction you could ever have on a game, you start to become bored. It's completely natural, but with VRchat, the boredom comes from poorly optimized social interaction structure, and that's not necessarily a players fault.
I could go on about this topic forever probably, because it's something I've thought about a lot, but thanks for making the video and talking about the topic. This game has limitless potential and it's squandered in the name of increasing the active player #s at all costs, and that's a shame, because I ultimately think it is to the detriment of the experience.
I completely agree with you. I first started around late 2017 early 2018 and it was a blast then. Everything even the people seemed more approachable then. Now things seem more segregated and about impossible to get into any private worlds etc because of being stuck in public with the younger crowd and not being able to meet any new people to get into a more age appropriate world. It still has it's moments but I'm not meeting random people staying up late as hell having fun nearly as much as I used to.
I began VRChat just last December after purchasing the Quest 2. I can say that from my experience, Its harder to enjoy VRChat when their is no friend group or friend to play it with. It gets quit lonely after a while but Ive also heard and seen some dangerous things that go on throughout the platform such as the "Dark Side of VRChat" You tend to start seeing ERP, Online Daters that could be a 14 year old girl with a 20 year old man, the drinking groups, etc. Mirrior dwellers are the main thing that you see in my opinion. I am basically a mirrior dweller without my friend group LOL. But honestly, overall the game dies after a while once you begin playing. You just need to find new experience to keep the fun going.
yep. I beg my sister, my boyfriend... Nothing. I'm alone. And weird to find new people.
In this day and age, a VG like VRChat that can reunite people who are away from eachother living in different parts of the world is a really good way to do it... the tech is here. If you don'thave a quest you have a pc.. you can do it.. but people don't want to.
Still fun for me. Reminds me of what a teacher said once. "If you're bored, you're a boring person." That is all lmao
I have almost nearly 3000 hours in VRChat as of December 1st - 2023 and i still absolutely love the game. I enjoy exploring the worlds and seeing all the creations. I love meeting new people and generally hang out in public worlds half the time for the somewhat chaotic and crazy nature of it, while the other half i will spend in a nice ASMR world of rain and thunder to help me calm down or relax after a day at work.
I don't see it not "being as fun" or worrying so much about your "rank" as most folks can easily tell when someones there to be a nuisance or to chill and chat.
The biggest issue i see happening to people getting "bored" is mainly due to the fact they aren't willing to even try anymore. Yeah you will meet negative people, trolls, assholes etc. but if you let it get to you, of course you'll have a bad time. Stop worrying about what other people are doing and focus on you and make it what you want.
I recently reached 1,035.7 Hours in VRChat
It's the new influx of mirror dwellers. VRChat used to be about having fun and making random friends and goofing around. Now people take VRChat too seriously and think it's a second life.
I think your perspective and expectations of VRChat might be a bit off. Not that any ideas you mentioned are bad, but what you want is a metaverse, something like oldschool "Second Life" but in VRChat. Thing is VRChat is really only ever that - a chat in VR. Sure you can play games in there, but all it ever be is just a social hangout place. I never went online and thought even for a second that I need to "rank up" or collect badges and the like, that is simply not the driving point of the app to begin with.
I wouldn't mind either of your ideas as said, but again I don't really believe it needs any of this. I simply believe you get bored because you project a game onto the app, which it never will be and thus you ran out of things to chase. If you maybe take a step back, take a break and embrace it for what it is, then I believe you'll get a different kind of enjoyment out of the app. I clocked in over 1k hours and truly I am bored as well with VRChat, but I know it is more a me issue since I am getting more and more overwhelmed with the amount of kids running and screaming around, and probably the community in general, it really changed for the worse over the years. It's still a great place to hang out with friends and basically just chill. I would love to play a "VR GTA" as you phrased it, but that isn't VRChat.
Shes a vrchat youtuber shes literally just baiting for views
@@spikytoaster Trash content too on top of overstating obvious things people already know
Its still fun but it mostly depends on what kind of people you are around
2:44 would be the best thing ever, like resonite except without having to learn a million things. I would love an rpg or quest eliment to vrchat just to give some fun goals for the day.
Less kids, Less isolating 2017-2018 you used to load into a public world with people, it was all about socializing and being silly/having fun with people.
NOW IN THE FUTURE: *Vrchat starts implementing currency to get items in worlds*
and it's Real Money mandetory to earn it lol xD
I'd be okay with that if VRChat was a good platform for games, but right now saving player data is basically impossible so nothing but round-based minigames can be made..
You mean like Roblox?
Playing games isn't this games main purpose, it's about talking to strangers and meeting people. I've met dozens of really good friends on VRChat and without this game, I would of never had those opportunities. I have really bad anixety when it comes to talking to someone face to face. With this game it made it easier to just talk to people because I knew I can just leave the conversation or leave the world and go back to my comfort zone. Progression isn't needed in a game where it's main soul is to talk with strangers and make new friends, or just to make people laugh with the stuff you create.
I made friends who enjoyed playing more games and active stuff on vrchat like random dungeons escape rooms rp (not erp) and have fun that way. Never really sitting and talking for hours just exploring while talking that’s just my personal play style.
also the thing you say at 3:05 is allready true for some ppl. i know ppl who work in/with vrchat or surrounding areas and the rest you can just do for free anyways
policy update:oh hello,do you want us to spy on you and send all about you to all our partners and give chance of hackers to steal it?
I wanted to play vrchat cause thought it would be fun to roleplay and play as random Stuff. Now that i have a oculus. I hope people still play vrchat for the purpose of having fun
How was it?
@@RainXanYT fun
The premise of this video is unfortunately very flawed. It starts off stating that VRChat is a game, and therefor, is comparable to other games. VRChat is not exactly a game at all, it's a social platform. The intended "gameplay" is to meet up with people, socialize, or even just roam around, explore what others have built. I came into this video thinking this would be about stuff you should try out in VRChat to make it more interesting, like finding certain groups or worlds.
Also, if you want to compare the progression of a game to an MMO of sorts (I consider GTA Online an action MMO), I'd recommend picking one of the more popular MMORPGs instead, like World of Warcraft, Runescape or Final Fantasy 14. In GTA V, there isn't much progression besides the story, and in GTA Online, most progression is mostly just in-game money to make. In the more popular MMORPGs, a money reward is often not that interesting, it is certain items or titles that people strive for.
Personally for me i liked how simple it was it used to be like you would hop in a world. When your bored and you would explore around and most of the time i would find like another guy or group of guys n girls and they were mainly all adults. Just vibing i would usually go on with my rift. And would occasionally have a drink be a little buzzed. And id find a group of other people who were buzzed. Now its like u hop on and u see a bunch of little kids all wanting to start drama, or like a random ass 28 year old with a kid. Alot of weird ass pedophilia shit. Or just creepy ass adults who u talk to for 30 mins and suddenly they want to be creepy and want to erp with you or want to be in a relationship. As a person whos married and just wants to
Hop on when im bored af its just a bit weird. I eventually got fbt and would dance but. Most people want to sit at a mirror and tbh im not judging but most of em use voicemod or add effects and gain to there voice to make it sound deeper then what it really is
Idk if y’all want anything different to do besides stare at a mirror the militants of ethrafa is a Bio horror military simulation. We basically go pew pew, and we fight other groups similar to us. We’re a society who has been around for years in vrchat and honestly, it’s really fun, never a dull moment and I’ve been here for over a year, there’s always new people to meet, there’s always new to learn and there’s always events we do.
For me it's not the game itself it's the drama that's happened whilst playing .
I laid off of vrchat like 8 months ago. I loaded it up yesterday and realized they removed movies 😭😭😭 what do i do now!!!!!
I have 148 hours so far in vrchat I have still been looking for cool avatars and explore worlds. When I'm bored of that I like to play on that chess world since it's the easiest way for me to talk to new people. I also have been getting into avatar editing/uploading.
You're right VRChat isn't as fun as it used to be because of all the mirror dwellers and people who get angry at you for saying "hi" (happened to me). Also, Someone replied with another phenomenon that "lower ranking" users get ignored for their rank which is unfortunately a very common trend it puts down users who aren't ranked as "trusted" etc. I miss the good 'ol days with Ugandan Knuckles #MakeVRChatGreatAgain and welcome back Toastette I love your content!❤
i see alot of people get straight ignored for their low levels which is shitty because if it’s your first day and all higher levels (trusted and such) are ignoring and or talking down on you that can put you off the game
@@im..the..best..pro..mod08 Another very valid point
That's so true I didn't think of that, the rank hierarchy sucks in vrchat, it's like the elites and the peasants. Some Trusted users are rude to literally anyone else with a lower rank,
Hopefully they do something about that and yes I loved the good old days too, it felt more real and fun and authentic,
I'm sure it'll be back, if not then I'll bring it back,
Also thanks for leaving a comment cutie and thanks for being early, I love ya 😊💕
I wish nice people would come up to me and just say “hi”. Want to have a decent conversation and become friends. So tired of everyone just looking for ERP
the reasoning in vrchat is kinda off. you're treating the game for something that it isnt. in othe rgames, of course the goal is progression and eventually finishing the game, but VRchat is more like social media of the virtual world. its like saying youtube, twitter or reddit arent fun because they do not feature any games. they dont exist to solve a goal, they exist to connect people. the "goal" if you really are looking for one is to have fun with the community, to interact and just have fun
I think the main issue is people not finding the right group, maybe its just not the socializing game for them, your supposed to pick what lobby you play, theirs plenty of games to pick from, many people choose the lobbies or games that consists of the same and possibly boring people or group. I think the most entertaining way of playing vrchat ofc in my opinion is make friends, and once you have your group find games that isn't just mirror dwelling or connect with those friends maybe even through a mirror and get to know eachother. The main reason I played vrchat was an escape and the maion escape was the friends I made and the ones I connected with wethger through a mirror or through playing a horror game on their or some random fun game. I think its all about who you surround yourself with. bc if you sit in a lobby like black catr and except something to happen without making an effort to meet people or actually go to instances that are actual games and not just asocial lobby, your most likely gonna be bored.
honestly i agree with some of these points but don’t think they would ever actually get implemented into vrchat as vrchat isn’t meant to be game it’s meant to be a social experience you’re meant to talk to people if you look at gta its just a bunch of random people running around there isn’t much socialising with vrchat it’s the opposite it’s in the name vr “chat”
That's true but you can still socialise if it was like gta, it would have a more real, society feel rather than a game feel
Idk but I would love it lmao
And thanks for being early!!!
Also thanks for leaving a comment, I love ya cutie 😊 💕
Vrchat became bad when i tried to join a game and they didnt let me into the map AND THEN kicked me for not joining their group. What the hell?
bro I'm not going from my 40 hour work week to working in vrchat. I'm here to watch movies, relax, and just hangout
Nope, in this new hypotetical economy you must buy your movie's ticket! Now go to the rice farm! xD
What u want is a complete change of genre of the game which isn't possible and wouldn't be VRChat. What u actually want are game devs making full-scale games on worlds, like Project Aincrad.
Holy shit if any of this is implemented ill never touch this game again, vr chat doesnt even have entities that can be taken between maps other than avatars, they dont allow it and never will, like youll never bring a plane from test pilots to a bar its literally functionally impossible for how this game is made, thats something resonite can do
everything you said is why neos vr failed
There are worlds in VRchat that have virtual currency you earn, but that's about it. You can only have such features if someone created a world with such stuff. From what I know about the game, it's more about socializing, creativity, creating stuff for the community, and expressing yourself. I understand the concept, it's enough for me. I enjoy meeting people and doing group activities from groups. There's always something you can do as VRchat has a lot more to offer than what you think.
Roleplaying
Gaming
Chill
Group activities
Community events
Live percomences like DJs
Conventions
All things I found in VRchat
exactly
i havent played vrchats for a good while, about 6-7 months?? i think i hopped on like 2 months ago and there was just nothing really to do or talk about and yes, it was boring. but i do agree that it should be a lot like gta. and it would add so much more to the game allowing people to have more to interact with and live the life you desire. ITS PERFECTT.
It got bad when they took mods away the one thing that made it fun sadly
I mean its a player content driven social hub more than a game the more gamey systems across the whole thing would be bad. I think the big thing would be an SDK improvement to let player data be saved on worlds as that would allow more ambitious design. Like the afterdark arcade is one of in my opinion the most fun maps on the game. Reminds me alot of Gmod tower. With more things to do with coins you get in the map or hell perhaps different worlds with different minigames you'd have in that alone a gameplay loop that feeds back into a social hub. The map already has custom hud elements. With that you could have achivements and shit
(i'm well aware there are work arounds live save codes and shit but especially in VR those just are not practical)
It's a Virtual SOCIAL platform that HAS some user made game worlds.
If that's what you want Toastette then may I recommend a separate rank that grows with rewards tied only to that progression and it based on how often you speak on the mic or type messages if you're a mute. Too often people stay quiet when I approach them in public. This would also give more purpose to singers or people who like to make public speeches as an art form.
I keep looking through new worlds to find something fun to do or scroll through avatars. Otherwise most of the playerbase get in club/bar/apartment worlds constantly then get bored. Well, what did you expect 💀
This is a copy paste from a comment I made in a different but same subject this is the second time I’ve done this copy and paste comment begins here-I remember finding VRChat back in summer of 2020 people getting interviewed about there life,people show off there avatars and exploring new and amazing worlds. Almost everyday having a blast now all I hear is drama or people leaving or taking a brake. I join back in early March of 2021 I had a blast made some friends saw many come and go it’s October 1,2023 now a days it hard to even join people or find something to do. I get on most people are on red or orange I requested off some of the people on orange and sometimes get a invite. I miss the old day I wasn’t really there at that time but I remember how things were then and how things are now.
I still have fun, when locking in on the weekends. But then again I spend 99.9% of my playtime in karaoke worlds only.
I've started finding VRC super fun again recently now that Ive found the right communities to hang with. We do movie nights, karaoke, play random games, world hop and explore, etc... So I think VRChat can be fun as a social game alone. Though I think this idea would make it a lot more interesting than it already is! I would probably play more than just on weekends if this was the case as it would give me a reason to visit without needing planned events or my usual group of friends around me :)
Real ones stopped playing and went back to real life after the lockdown, was very rare for me to find people I vibed with after that
1:05 Well looks like I know what *your* doing in vrchat, lmao
This is where Resonite Differs as everything in the game is modifiable within the game can be modeled programmed and textured all without needing any extra software however 3-D modeling and texture tools are recommended to streamline the process a bit but programming and construction happened within the game/engine
Its boring because the community has been doing the same schtick over and over since vrchat start, nothing wrong with that but doing the same thing everything will get you bored, not just in vrchat but everywhere too
But for me vrchat is still fun because the reason i "play" vrchat is just to visit this world that people made, some are amazing, some are empty, some is weird, and many of them is not finish yet lol
But i like it, just visiting each of this world and see what the creator try to make, some so elaborate they even put lore behind it, some is made to pay respect for their cat who already gone
I just self roleplaying myself as somekind of world dimension traveler (complete with astronout getup) and everytime i visit the world i just imagine and narrate myself in my own imagination story, it kinda fun
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Progression doesnt need to be added, there doesnt need to be a huge new system just remove mirrors and its really down to the player. No one sits around to rank up, its just their way of sitting around virtually as opposed to doing it irl. Literally just make "im going to do nothing and contribute nothing and look at you weird if you try to talk to me" and "i am going to talk to people" lobbies. I have plenty of fun if i find the right place. And makijg your own fun is 90% of the game for me
I have a pal on vrc that said ,after he unfriended a ton of people ,his rank status (trusted user btw)went back to new user. I think this is unfair. he unfriended those people because they were annoying after a while. Personally, i think that when a player gets up in rank, their rank status should STAY and NEVER be dropped. I mean really, it's not like a user will never friend anyone again. Just leave peoples rank status alone.
1:08 this isn't censored... 😨
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I made so many friends in vr chat during the knuckles boom. We ended up playing many other games together and started our own discord servers and what not.
I tried getting back into VR Chat last year after a long hiatus, but it seems like most people I've met ONLY play vr chat. As a person with many different interests, I just can't be on VR Chat all the time to keep up with people. I already have to do that IRL.
I don't think this is the reason/way of fixing it I stopped playing because everyone stopped playing games and just looked at mirrors and played music not even talking there are barely any new games just more sit and stare at a mirror and all the worlds people stopped playing
I dont want to make vrc like a grind. I go on there to see my hand full of friends and just decompress from the real world. I almost never go to public worlds now. If you stay in a group or friends plus instance its a totally different game. It does take a while to get trusted so I understand your complaint about that. I disagree with most of your points but I did enjoy the video.
That's a good point, vrchat is a way to get out of society so it probably wouldn't be the best thing to make it like a society,
I didn't think of that, I appreciate your feedback it's interesting
And yeah it's totally different wether you're in a private or public world or the groups you're with
And thanks for leaving your opinion I appreciate it,
I love ya cutie 😊💕
"something deepa" when she said that she sounded like peter's wife
as a 5 yr player, you dont know actual progression from back in the day. maybe badges and purple matter to a questie with limited memory on the system or uploads, but actual endgame is rare avatar hunting and animation hunting, since it gives you street cred and also cred with the 'gangs' in vrchat. i may have to make a CORRECT video on everything thats happened.
the correct answer to why vrchat worked and why alternatives didn't: vrchat is a 'theme park' with low bar of entry and ease of access to the casual player. other games want you to 'create' like neos/resonite, overte, etc and people dont want all that in their face. vrchat just gives you world and avatar buttons and sets you out into the wild to explore. without any of the old creators though who left, and questies never being able to create using unity, the people left behind are left to stagnate in a world that now never changes, and becomes increasingly smaller with successive updates no one asked for.
besides that, your answer to fixing vrchat is to basically mark zuckerberg it. turn it into actual jobs and places and currencies you can get or go and do. look how metaverse did that and it went down the tubes cause it was a joke. even now, this new currency for creations in vrchat isnt taking off either. ontop of that, people are gonna be actually ANGRY with you if you wanna put quests into what they refer to as a 'social game'. how many times on forums have users literally gotten up over arms on the topic of whether or not its a real game or a chat game, let alone freaking out if they heard its got quests.
Hi im new to vr chat I tried using push to talk but it seems no one hears me, and the icon of the mic doesn't glow when I speak? is it normal? I tried enabling my microphone through the setting but they still cant hear me, or worse they ignore me xd
Perhaps the mic threshold is too high? I had to set mine near 0 for my voice to be picked up. Not sure, give it a go.
If you talk without push to talk pressed, does a crossed out red mic appear? That's a sure fire sign that your mic is working.
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That world is a club world i work admin+security for x.x
Racists, pedos, and horndogs ruined it for me
It's true is clapper and crasher are everywhere in vrchat?
For me, what ruined VRChat for me wasn't VRChat itself.. I started VRChat at the end of 2017 and kept getting on it almost daily till about 2021, and sort of in 2022. What killed VRChat for me was the community, most notable, the back stabbers in the VRC-RP community. I'm not saying that about everyone on VRC or in it's RP community, but there's a lot of shitty people. It's been a solid year since I stopped getting on VRC.. and honestly I don't miss it.
VRC is like way better not kid friendly Roblox chance my mind
My progression curve right now is the creative one. Learning how to make my avatars look better, while earning those coveted "Medium" to "Excellent" rankings, and building worlds that people enjoy and get those sweet, sweet high fps out of. Because making an amazing avatar is meaningless if everyone else only ever sees your fallback, and a laggy world is an empty world. I only just joined about a month or so ago so I've got a long way to go.
My mans looking for the yellow paint in a sandbox.
It's funny, I've never interacted with anyone in VRChat. I just go to various worlds alone and admire people's creations.
I feel maybe it’s just that we grew up. We all have the memories but it just gets old overtime. We were discovering vr and now we kinda. Know everything about it. Hell I’ve seen major communities in vrc just die. Hell look at Star Wars. Clone battalion used to be everywhere but now. You rarely see em in mass.
VRchat isnt a game, really. Its a platform for usermade content, like youtube or other social medias. Theres tons of games created inside VRChat though.
Great to see you back Toastette! It's too bad you think VRChat isn't fun anymore though, I guess that's why you haven't been making videos lately? I'm not sure if you plan on phasing out this channel in the future then. I'd miss it if you did but I'd hate for you to carry it on if you didn't enjoy it, that'd be much worse. You gotta do what makes you happy (hey, get your head out of the gutter!). Anyway, great video as always.
Personally i dont think its progression. Yes theres a lot of mirror dwellers, but, you also forgot to mention something. Ive made a lot of friends during my almost 8k hours, however, theres the mirror dwellers as you mentioned but everyone i meet and "friend" either dont visit me anymore OR theyre too busy being in private worlds or being "orange/red status, sure you can request an invite and i have tried that but i dont get one when requested, the excuses i hear is "sorry i didnt see your notif (which is a bug sometimes i know) or "Sry i was busy watching this with so and so" or "sorry i was sleeping in vr" blah blah blah anyways. The progression thing is questionable because already if you're green rank or lower most people ignore you or straight up block you for no reason, i cant tell you how many times that happened to me before finally hitting "Trusted". Another fun one is ranks stick with same ranks, trusted usually only hang out with other trusted, etc theres a term for that but forgot. Also i dont go to public worlds as often anymore because theres no decency anymore, anytime i go pub theres always someone shaking their asses or full on sexual things, i dont want to see that shit everywhere i go lol the only worlds i go where i can have a fun experience anymore is the MMD worlds, all the people that go there are very chill and just want to use the MMD floor, however, that limits a lot of things because those worlds are for MMD dances so they usually dont have much to do with anything else.
Vr chat is perfect for people who like sandbpx games, which is why my scary high playtime on gmod explains why I love this game
spoiler: it is not a game.
I think VR or another similar game should add survival eliminates like needing to eat and drink. The option to Build homes or compounds cooking plus currency. The more popular the world the more currency VR will allow it to create by raw materials like mining , hunting and fishing, wood collection that can be used throughout VR chat to trade build survive and share.
It’s nice you started making videos again.
Do you want to know what’s not fair about VR chat? Every time I play a game I get kicked out because of my age I just wanna have fun in the game.
They added in a monetization system and immediately killed off one of the main reasons people still got on the game.
Movie worlds.
Dont think vrchat was ever with the idea of progression besides ranking users to trusted, its a social game, the "goal" is to meet people and hang out and talk
Vrchat added currency after this.
Its a chatroom, sure you have worlds with "games" but at the end of the day its a chat room. You should expect about as much progression from it as a IRC channel.
Its interesting but there's no freedom of art and plus there's a pool of art where you can't find good avatars you'll spend so many hours trying to find them
VRC isn't a game. Has games in it tho.
Doesn't that make it a game? It's like Roblox, Roblox is a game
@@toastette VRC is a social app.
Riff XR might have solved this problem: make it an actual game, first, and a social community, second; This way players actually have something to do while waiting to meet new people. VRChat will never be able to do this, though.
They should block access to a few adult worlds for my Meta Quest 2 User.
I think it's the players that are the problem, they're bored and thus boring, people go to vr chat to feel less bored, not because it's actually a fun experience that you could build social connections around
Intermixing minors with adults is the worst part of the game. I can't go into any public world without a bunch of kids screaming or so called adults just standing infront of mirrors trying to get drunk. When I first played this game in 2018 it was so much different... the maps were bigger, mirrors weren't prevalent, and it a lot easier to meet people. VRchats performance on the Quest 2 was also terrible with constant crashes. I really wish they would separate the worlds into adults / minors.
Got me with the clickbait title, but I'll bite: VRChat isn't a game. Has game-like concepts like trust levels and badges to carry like life does, but life is also not a game.
also its not just a game, its kinda like art, and boxing it in the gaming category cheapens it in my opinion
Downvote for Money Based Economy
The thing is that vrchat is a game were your supposed to chat and talk with people, make friends and having a good time with them and not killing everyone with an ak 47 and flying with a opressor Mk2 so make it like a game and not a social thing would break it even more, don't you see how gta online is borring with everyone killing everyone in a lobby full of chao ?
Too many worlds, too many private groups.
The new Economy system wasn't meant to be, adding Pay Wall Credits but they done it now.
VRchat is not a game its a platform used to connect to other players. There are games in vrchat. You already can go to virtual clubs nsfw or sfw clubs. There are tons of things to do but the problem that I see is most people are incapable of actually finding the people to do those things with outside of listen to music, dance and ofc get drunk. If we want to speak about VRChat as if it isn't just a social platform though and focus on a more gamified approach I highly suggest learning blender and Unity and making your own avatars and worlds. This not only keeps you interested and brings you into a different space but also gives you real world skills you can take to other things such as video game development. The funny thing is though because VRChat as a game is more of a sandbox MMO if you go to actual sandbox game spaces you will hear the same things echoed. Look at sea of thieves for example, in the early days. It had almost nothing to do but it wasn't about getting the best gear and the ever increasing loot. It was about the adventures you would have and the people you would meet.
i played vrchat and the things that ruined it for me is the mirror dwellers
im at the point where i only use vrchat for raves.
VRChat isn’t a game. It’s a social platform. That’s like logging into IG or Facebook and mad that there aren’t games.
Sounds like your talking about lot of stuff that the game Resonite can have already, like "having inventory and caring those objects to any world you wish" if your interested to look up that game it is free on steam :) not many know about it but thought to just mention it hearing your ideas.
Doesn't Chillout also have props inventory?
Right if theres no one in a world theres just nothing to do the whole game revolves around talking 90% unless game worlds. vrchat dose need some progressing stuff for real right just purple is lame
This is not the answer lol. World creator here, progression only really works depending on the creator of the world and if you haven't touched Udon or Usharp (which is coding for worlds and allows creators to make more complex functions within said world), then you won't realize how difficult it actually is to create anything meaningful within worlds. (At least in terms of gameplay functionality/progression)
You have to know pretty complex coding and even if you were able to implement progression, you can't simply leave the world and expect anything to save. Which is why most worlds with saving functions use long strings of text that you need to copy paste to a text file.
However, this should all change once VRC releases the update for persistent worlds, at least when it comes to saving anything. They are also in the works of making Udon 2 which will have Usharp coding added into Udon itself, which should make it somewhat easier to make complex things without needing too much knowledge for coding.
The only thing I can see that would make VRC more fun is when more people start trying to make story-driven/RPG-style worlds when the new updates for Udon 2/persistent worlds releases. This will at the very least open a gateway of experiences for people. Technically we do already have experiences like this but they are pretty hard to find if you don't know what to search for or where to look.
Even with all that said though, some people just simply aren't interested in going through these experiences or playing games for that matter and just want to hangout with friends, which unfortunately can easily lead to some people getting bored when there isn't much to talk about it.