Great lenses on both sides. For myself, I would like the Cooke SP3's because of the warmer tones as well as the smaller, more compact sizes of the set. Of course, I'd be happy with either brand.
I don't know why there's no breathing compensation for this price, tbh it feels like these legacy companies aren't trying that hard when compared to newcomers
@@Supercon57 in order to do that they need to measure the amount of breathing on every 3rd party lens which they have no reason to do. Also not everyone uses Sony.
@@unn4medfeel1ng these lenses are Sony E-Mount, Plus Sony has a partnership with Zeiss, which is why their viewfinders have Zeiss optics and their lenses have Zeiss glass Sony could at the least include Zeiss lenses for Software breathing compensation..but Sony needs some kind of native advantage to sell their G-Master series so they only implemented breathing comp for Sony lenses
I certainly think the cp3s are better for smaller gimbal focused work or solo operators, and have great character out of the box, but for the price, the extra size and speed of the NPs are perfect for anything that will have a first AC on the crew. Additionally I think the NPs do have the versatility to be sharp for more commercial client work, and then make use of filters and such to degrade the image for more ‘artistic’ projects. So I think it comes down to what style of cinematography you employ, do you want a blank canvas lens that can be modified through pro mists and such, or the specific flavor of the Cooke coupled with the smaller form factor? For my money I definitely intend to compare them each with the Athena set from NiSi, as those serve as a perfect middle ground: t1.9, light weight for gimbal work, with a sharp, modifiable image, and the full set costs only a little more than a single lens form the CP3 or NP set. From looking at test footage the only downside to the Athenas seems to be a little less pleasing bokeh, but I’d have to test that myself to see if the difference is significant enough to warrant the extra money for the Cooke or Zeiss sets. (Also old fast glass here in the states has actually made an adapter that turns the Cooke 24mm into an 18.5mm and they keep selling out from the high demand for it!)
It's obvious from the short tests here that both these range of more compact/affordable lenses have a few noticeable compromises in several areas, e.g. chromatic aberrations (lateral type at least because the existence of longitudinal type isn't clearly demonstrated in this video), bokeh rendering and defects (onion rings, blotches, outlining chromatic aberrations etc.) and lastly focus breathing, which for some lenses I find it to be quite outrageous. Not much different from that of a lot of consumer still photography lenses costing far less. It should be clear by now why those mega-$ cinema lenses that cover either fullframe or Super-35 image circle cost and weigh so much more.
I agree to a point, especially with the Cookes - the “Cooke look” was a bit soft with fairly low contrast and the SP3’s are fairly sharp and contrasty, and you lose the speed of the more expensive ones. So, yes, they seem like a marketing ploy to me.
I feel like the SP3 lenses are about £5-6k too expensive for who they're aimed at and what form factor they have in all honesty but maybe I'm just not at that level of budget to understand it.
One thing I learned doing chart tests with lenses is that many lenses have a curved focus plane. So blurriness on the edges often isn't nearly as noticeable when shooting an actual scene. it's not a bad test, but it might not tell the whole story.
I'd really want to see a comparison of those new cine lenses against some 'photographic' ones like Sigma ART line. I think it would easily become a very controversial (and useful) video.
Yes, that would be interesting. Panasonic has a whole line of 1.8 primes that are the same size as Cooke, but with brighter aperture, breathing compensation and autofocus for $500-1000 a lens. Though electronic focus ring is worse for manual focusing.
I would be interested in seeing SP3s compared to Zeiss Loxia lenses as they are much closer in size. And even though they are primarily photography lenses, they are manual focus and come in at a much lower price. You can almost get a full set for the price of one SP3.
I could not be further away from being impressed as it certainly is not a kind of performance one would expect to see from a cinema-grade optics. There’s a number of lenses designed with DSLR cameras in mind that, in my opinion, deliver superior image quality at an affordable price (for instance Sigma Art 40/1.4, which combines cinema-grade optics with a variety of consumer grade technologies such as AF). Would be interesting to see a comparison of top-class DSLR lenses (Tamron 35/1.4, Sigma Art 40/1.4, Sigma Art 105/1.4, Nikon 105/1.4 E ED, Samyang 135/2 ED UMC, Nikon 200/2, etc.) and cinema-grade glass (Canon, Cooke, Zeiss, etc.).
I agree with you, the performance of both Zeiss NP and Cooke SP3 looks terrible and half of the price is actually the brand's name. I love Sigma lenses and I hope at some point the DG DN line will be turned into cinema lenses!
If you buy a lens or set of lenses, you can get an RF, L or M mount per lens for free from Cooke. If you want more past that, they can be purchased separately. Jake
Ok, i will save this for later. Thanks! For now i can afford myself a set from Helios 44-2, Helios 44m4 and Helios 44m Ps maybe a jupiter 9, but thats need to be saved a bit...
Chinese Cookes or Japanese Zeiss? Neither for me. I'll stick with the authentic stuff made in London or Germany as it's much better. For the price, nothing beats Zeiss Otus. Those optics are much closer to Supreme level optics.
You shouldn't buy a product based on future features. I wouldn't touch Irix until they fill out their range. I had a set, and sold them. They're stylistically unremarkable and perform optically and build quality is only passable.
Hi Sir, few days back saw your zeiss supreme review which was made long back ..some five years back , neatly made indoor able to see skin tones with color chart stuff all those .... but few weeks back you made a zeiss nano vs cooke sp3 emount it was exterior shoot and i was not that impressed and checked even few website the focal length of the lens it never popped ... and one big online store they did same stuff ...but its not that good like what you did five years back . the image left and right z Vs c same focal length close focus indoor ..... will decide which is best but those things you never revealed .....& thanks
Neither. Dulens APO Mini Primes had both these their ass. They are crazy good at a fraction of the price. China is coming for blood, and they're a serious contender!
No, he has a point. Obviously they're not as bad as a kit zoom. But for the price these lenses are really not that impressive, especially the Zeiss. It seems like cooke definitely put more work into their lenses, but this really just feels like zeiss trying out a new market segment without putting any real effort in. They know their brand name will help sell these lenses. Depending on the characteristics you want, you can get similar or even better looking lenses at the $1,000 price mark. The extra costs here doesn't pay for better image quality, it's paying for a slight increase in consistency across multiple lens sets. Which for the kind of productions I would expect to see these on, doesn't really matter all that much.
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Great lenses on both sides. For myself, I would like the Cooke SP3's because of the warmer tones as well as the smaller, more compact sizes of the set. Of course, I'd be happy with either brand.
the focus breathing on the Cooke is shockingly bad for its value imo
I don't know why there's no breathing compensation for this price, tbh it feels like these legacy companies aren't trying that hard when compared to newcomers
If I'm not mistaken, breathing compensation is a feature reserved for Sony native lenses
Think of it as Sony keeping the cool features to themselves
@@Supercon57 you're confusing software feature with hardware, as breathing can be compensated mechanically
@@unn4medfeel1ng this is true, but if Sony would allow it then 3rd party lenses could also utilize the software breathing compensation
@@Supercon57 in order to do that they need to measure the amount of breathing on every 3rd party lens which they have no reason to do. Also not everyone uses Sony.
@@unn4medfeel1ng these lenses are Sony E-Mount, Plus Sony has a partnership with Zeiss, which is why their viewfinders have Zeiss optics and their lenses have Zeiss glass
Sony could at the least include Zeiss lenses for Software breathing compensation..but Sony needs some kind of native advantage to sell their G-Master series so they only implemented breathing comp for Sony lenses
I certainly think the cp3s are better for smaller gimbal focused work or solo operators, and have great character out of the box, but for the price, the extra size and speed of the NPs are perfect for anything that will have a first AC on the crew. Additionally I think the NPs do have the versatility to be sharp for more commercial client work, and then make use of filters and such to degrade the image for more ‘artistic’ projects.
So I think it comes down to what style of cinematography you employ, do you want a blank canvas lens that can be modified through pro mists and such, or the specific flavor of the Cooke coupled with the smaller form factor?
For my money I definitely intend to compare them each with the Athena set from NiSi, as those serve as a perfect middle ground: t1.9, light weight for gimbal work, with a sharp, modifiable image, and the full set costs only a little more than a single lens form the CP3 or NP set. From looking at test footage the only downside to the Athenas seems to be a little less pleasing bokeh, but I’d have to test that myself to see if the difference is significant enough to warrant the extra money for the Cooke or Zeiss sets.
(Also old fast glass here in the states has actually made an adapter that turns the Cooke 24mm into an 18.5mm and they keep selling out from the high demand for it!)
I like the fact that the CP.3's have a depth of field table, whereas the Nano Primes do not. T1.5 is nice though.
Old Fast Glass in the US have produced a wide angle adapter that turns the 25mm Cooke SP3 into an 18.5mm
Which is a partnership with Duclos, another reseller/competitor. My guess that's pretty much the reason they'd skip the mention.
@@BrunoMassao they're also being made in small numbers so not a commercial solution for many.
Another great video from CVP. You guys set the standard.
It's obvious from the short tests here that both these range of more compact/affordable lenses have a few noticeable compromises in several areas, e.g. chromatic aberrations (lateral type at least because the existence of longitudinal type isn't clearly demonstrated in this video), bokeh rendering and defects (onion rings, blotches, outlining chromatic aberrations etc.) and lastly focus breathing, which for some lenses I find it to be quite outrageous. Not much different from that of a lot of consumer still photography lenses costing far less. It should be clear by now why those mega-$ cinema lenses that cover either fullframe or Super-35 image circle cost and weigh so much more.
I spoke to a Cooke rep today and she said they are developing an 18mm for the SP3 set that should be out by this fall
I agree to a point, especially with the Cookes - the “Cooke look” was a bit soft with fairly low contrast and the SP3’s are fairly sharp and contrasty, and you lose the speed of the more expensive ones. So, yes, they seem like a marketing ploy to me.
This is literally the video I have been waiting for, and here it is. I can't decide between the two for my first real set of cine lenses. Heck yea
Or save a lot and go for the Nisi Athenas 😉
recommend?
Clearly a smarter choice
Love my Athenas but I wouldn’t use them for every project
I feel like the SP3 lenses are about £5-6k too expensive for who they're aimed at and what form factor they have in all honesty but maybe I'm just not at that level of budget to understand it.
One thing I learned doing chart tests with lenses is that many lenses have a curved focus plane. So blurriness on the edges often isn't nearly as noticeable when shooting an actual scene. it's not a bad test, but it might not tell the whole story.
How do the Zeiss Loxia lenses compare to the SP3?
Would like to see a Comparison between the DZO Arles VS the Nano Primes.
Thanks guys...I'll stick with my NISI Athena's
Thanks so much for the video! I seem to keep returning for the content, you guys create!
Been waiting on this. Invested into the Cookes but Zeiss always peaks my interest.
great video thanks, small quesiton.. nano and cp3 same angle ex. 50mm but looks like different angle is it right?
I'd really want to see a comparison of those new cine lenses against some 'photographic' ones like Sigma ART line. I think it would easily become a very controversial (and useful) video.
Yes, that would be interesting. Panasonic has a whole line of 1.8 primes that are the same size as Cooke, but with brighter aperture, breathing compensation and autofocus for $500-1000 a lens. Though electronic focus ring is worse for manual focusing.
I would be interested in seeing SP3s compared to Zeiss Loxia lenses as they are much closer in size. And even though they are primarily photography lenses, they are manual focus and come in at a much lower price. You can almost get a full set for the price of one SP3.
I could not be further away from being impressed as it certainly is not a kind of performance one would expect to see from a cinema-grade optics.
There’s a number of lenses designed with DSLR cameras in mind that, in my opinion, deliver superior image quality at an affordable price (for instance Sigma Art 40/1.4, which combines cinema-grade optics with a variety of consumer grade technologies such as AF).
Would be interesting to see a comparison of top-class DSLR lenses (Tamron 35/1.4, Sigma Art 40/1.4, Sigma Art 105/1.4, Nikon 105/1.4 E ED, Samyang 135/2 ED UMC, Nikon 200/2, etc.) and cinema-grade glass (Canon, Cooke, Zeiss, etc.).
I agree with you, the performance of both Zeiss NP and Cooke SP3 looks terrible and half of the price is actually the brand's name.
I love Sigma lenses and I hope at some point the DG DN line will be turned into cinema lenses!
We need a in depth review of irix cine lens set they are awesome it’s a must please
They are not an option until they release something in the 75 mm to 90 mm range
informative video Thanks CVP
Has Zeiss turned their game around with the NPs? The CP.3s were a disastrous series for them and I'm sure cost them many loyal customers.
I think you're a bit confused. It was the cp2s that sucked, the cp3s are pretty popular
What was wrong with cp3?
me who cant even pay for the rental of these lenses: *hmm i'll pick the cooke for its soft, warm colors*
Great video. Looks like Cooke SP3 could be good for me.
How to use SP3 on RED? Isn't SP3 E mount?
If you buy a lens or set of lenses, you can get an RF, L or M mount per lens for free from Cooke. If you want more past that, they can be purchased separately. Jake
Ok, i will save this for later. Thanks!
For now i can afford myself a set from Helios 44-2, Helios 44m4 and Helios 44m
Ps maybe a jupiter 9, but thats need to be saved a bit...
Chinese Cookes or Japanese Zeiss? Neither for me. I'll stick with the authentic stuff made in London or Germany as it's much better. For the price, nothing beats Zeiss Otus. Those optics are much closer to Supreme level optics.
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@@retrogamingbureau wow
need Cooke 18MM
Coming Soon!
OR Use Irix save tons of money and grade to the looks of both lenses as it needs it.
You shouldn't buy a product based on future features. I wouldn't touch Irix until they fill out their range. I had a set, and sold them. They're stylistically unremarkable and perform optically and build quality is only passable.
The Cooke SP3s are so sexy 😮
Hi Sir, few days back saw your zeiss supreme review which was made long back ..some five years back , neatly made indoor able to see skin tones with color chart stuff all those .... but few weeks back you made a zeiss nano vs cooke sp3 emount it was exterior shoot and i was not that impressed and checked even few website the focal length of the lens it never popped ... and one big online store they did same stuff ...but its not that good like what you did five years back . the image left and right z Vs c same focal length close focus indoor ..... will decide which is best but those things you never revealed .....& thanks
Why did I watch this although can't afford both? Damn me lol
Wish i could afford used either one lol
ZEISS Nano Primes are much better.
Short answer: No. Go with Sigma Art primes.
You don’t need a Ferrari to drive to the grocery store.
Neither. Dulens APO Mini Primes had both these their ass. They are crazy good at a fraction of the price. China is coming for blood, and they're a serious contender!
I'm amazed how magic words "Zeiss" and "Cooke" make it possible to sell for thousands of dollars lenses that have worse quality than cheap kit zooms.
What’s your definition of quality? Don’t you think the best DP’s in the world use these brands for reasons beyond the status of the name?
You seriously think the SP3 looks cheap?
The practical ignorance and vacuous bravado embodied in your comment is astounding.
No, he has a point. Obviously they're not as bad as a kit zoom. But for the price these lenses are really not that impressive, especially the Zeiss. It seems like cooke definitely put more work into their lenses, but this really just feels like zeiss trying out a new market segment without putting any real effort in. They know their brand name will help sell these lenses.
Depending on the characteristics you want, you can get similar or even better looking lenses at the $1,000 price mark.
The extra costs here doesn't pay for better image quality, it's paying for a slight increase in consistency across multiple lens sets. Which for the kind of productions I would expect to see these on, doesn't really matter all that much.
Yeah and no but these are kit lenses for consistency across the range. Cheaper lenses won’t do that
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good bye "PL"
Zeiss rulazzz!