Absolutely, this “likely to fail” statement is ridiculous. If paddles “failing” during a match is a real concern, paddle certification needs to include a delaminating durability stress test covering a tournament length, and then have players use a new one for major events.
What an idiotic system the pickleball authorities have. So you can claim someone cheated and based on your claim they get defaulted the next match and then it comes back there was nothing wrong and that person still loses just based on your claim? How is that an ongoing system and who came up with that knowing how stupid that is. Does that happen in tennis? Imagine if someone accused you of something and based on that it reflected on your next match? They should do before tests or just legalize these paddles and tell players they should adapt to new technologies. In tennis they introduced poly strings, those weren't banned. Or they should move the kitchen back a foot so people aren't hovering over the kitchenline slap ready. There's so many things they can do to improve the rules. I still think it's outrageous your opponent gets to call your balls in or out and that's just how it is.
She was told it’s “likely to fail”? 😂 What are we doing now, predictive analytics for point of failure? It’s either legal or not. Whoever told her that needs to stay their lane and avoid input that only an engineer with precise equipment and models could determine, and even then it’s not part of the rules. It’s incredibly distracting to have to change paddles in the middle of a match or tournament. Either everyone is required to use a fresh paddle each day or let it be and stop obsessing over paddles “potential” to “fail”
@@TechSalesTom Whoever tested did predict it would fail, and warned her. And they were right. So it was a reasonable heads up that she chose to ignore, to her own detriment.
by what I read, Devidze’s paddle was delaminated however delaminated within the arbitrarily PPA limit. with that said Jansen wasn’t wrong when she accused the paddle to be delaminated because she never stated how much or the degree of delam.
Lea is a much better player when she stays out of her own way and plays on her side of the net Competing and not Complaining! Lea has some serious skills. I hope she finds the inner peace to be able to showcase those skills. Apologizing to Salome would be a perfect start…
Thank you for your time and posting. Lea Jansen has become quite a loser. Ansboury had a choice, she chose wrong. All paddles should be tested before and after important matches.
I am beginning to doubt the validity of the "standards." Are these arbitrary? You simply can't have that many paddles passing a pre-match test and then failing the very next round. The testing methords themselves must also undergo scrutiny for the same reasons.
Well said! Still HUGE problems with their methods and procedures…. AND taking to twitter with their semi bogus conclusions was either juvenile or just plan ignorant. …just like what Ben did!
The only real solution at this point is for the players to come to an agreement to challenge every paddle after every match to force the ppa to do something. This takes the onus off of the players because it’s everyone is universally doing it there should be no drama directed at players having to challenge their opponents paddles as that will be common practice
If it is legal going into the match then it should stand. Otherwise you need to check the paddles after EVERY game played...this paddle crap is getting ridiculous! All this started with the new tennis peeps coming into the game... the original pros were exactly that - professional!
Hope Allyce "Might Annoying" Jones and Lea are ready with their apologies 😅 especially Allyce considering she has negative chances of winning a singles game against Salome 😆
Just learning pickleball coming from tennis. Not understanding why lot of rules were put in. In tennis over the years tennis racquets and strings have become more powerful and there is more and more spin yet we don't have limitations on how fast a person can serve with a particular racquet. Men pros routinely serve at 120+ mph with the fastest over 150 mph now. We don't say OH, we have to put restrictions so the returner can return the ball. OH, players like Nadal and Alcaraz among many others, are putting too much spin on the ball. We have to do something so that isn't so.
Is there any explanation for why Salome’s paddle sounded so obviously delaminated? I’m sure she’s not just lying about the results, but you have to wonder how arbitrary these ranges are for acceptable paddles. Or maybe the sound of a paddle really doesn’t mean that much?
Damn, video of Ben and Colin getting knocked out literally just got copyright taken down while I was watching lol. Does the PPA not allow for re-broadcasting of their games?
I know it's a broader issue in the sport...and that Devidze's tendency to make pretty iffy line calls doesn't exactly endear other players to her....but a lot of the matches I've seen where she was getting "called out" for this was her opponents just constantly hitting ball machine shots back to the middle of her court, she smashes it (because why not), and after the opponent does this like 9-10 times in a row and gets exhausted they cry foul on the paddle. Same thing happens in tennis. You can't just stand there and feed balls chest high up the middle of the court to someone who loves to just cannon from the baseline...you're going to get worked. They're a professional racquet sport player...they're not going to miss that shot very often. You don't need a "delaminated" paddle to hit a ball really REALLY hard if you've got full blown tennis forehand form and someone isn't even making you move. The paddle issue seems to also be coupling with the issue of the sport getting a lot more popular. Some of the "old guard" players are starting to get pushed down in the pecking order and are realizing they're not quite as dominant as they thought they were. Most of them are handling it like pros and just work harder than ever to improve. But you always get that small subsection who just start throwing tantrums like they're "owed" winning forever. As the competitive pool gets bigger and bigger...being at the top of the game is going to become harder and harder.
If PPA keep allowing the heavy hitter paddles’ use and not limit the weight and deflection, they are digging the grave of singles pickleball. No one wants to watch players blasting rockets at each other which are simply too fast to react to. I already can’t stand watching singles.
I’m new to pickle ball - coming from tennis world. The paddle specs seem a bit arbitrary? Seems like there is not much room for modification of your paddle like in tennis, where you can use different strings and tensions to increase spin or power? Is this a bad analogy on my part?
Nope, but not every paddle is subject to this type of failure. I agree that everyone should be subject to the same testing if this will be done. Either test at the start of the match or tournament, or mandate new paddles for each weekend, provided by the manufacturers who should be meeting standards that include durability over an entire tournament weekend at minimum. A challenge of a paddle that tests legal results in a $250 fine for the player who issued the challenge. IMO this is too imbalanced, with a loss being far more severe than an insignificant $250. Raise the fine to $1000 or $2000, or change the failure penalty to requiring a paddle swap and rematch. Most fair would be testing before a match, and simply allowing for a swap out with a failure. We have to assume that athletes are not purposely trying to get an unfair advantage, but the current penalties assume ill intent.
Well, Lea now looks like a cry baby, blaming her inability to deal with Salome's ground strokes on what she thought was an illegal paddle... oops, play better Lea and keep the drama to a minimum. That being said, Salome has made a name for her self for making really bad line calls so maybe she brought some of this on her self! The drama continues. Sure would like to know who the paddle manufacturers where with failed paddles and who the players were. More transparency will help keep "some" of them inline!!!
Maybe I did not watch enough games, I did not see Salome made bad line call. But I did see Lea made bad line calls when she played with Salmoe,. Two times she called out which obviously both were in and they were in after reviewing. One time Salmoe called out which was obviously out. Lea challenged it with very bad attitude, but it was out after reviewing. One time also with Salmoe, she lost a point and she blamed on the audience and she got replay, that was deciduous.
@@meihao2002 back when they had first started to battle each other, Salome was definitely the one making the bad line calls. She was absolutely ridiculous with her line calls and I hated watching her play because of it. However, she has gotten so much better about it. I haven't seen her make a bad call in a few tournaments and she seems to have turned a new leaf. Jansen seems to have taken the reverse approach. She has gotten progressively worse at her line calls and acts like a baby the entire time. So that (along with Jansen Stans) are why she is disliked as much as she is.
That's just ridiculous if a paddle passes before the match then it's a legal paddle. You don't get points taken away after a game because come to find out the ball was deformed or cracked during play. If the paddle doesn't pass the test after the game then the player should just have to continue the tournament with a new paddle or forfeit if they don't have one.
I disagree - players are bigger and stronger _ add to that they are adding weight (which FYI, I recently found out voids the paddle warranty of some manufacturers,) and there is simply more stress put on them than they were designed for. Did you notice the weight of Salome's paddle? She had added almost 3 oz of lead - manufacturers can't anticipate that.
@@kimleith1378 Per current Rules? Never - however, technically, if a paddle were built to its maximum size, theoretically you could add so much tape that, if you wanted to measure it close enough, you could exceed the max size allowed. But that would take a perfect storm of events.
how are the paddles that are tested proven to be the ones were used in the game...unless the referee takes the paddle right there on the court, who know what kinds of hocus pocus goes on behind the curtain....all these paddles are going to break down over time and get hotter and players are just going to have to get used to this happening...the same thing happens with our softball bats even though they pass testing at the beginning of the tourney and won't pass at the end.....this is going to be an issue for the next 6 months and more
@@kimleith1378 advantages and disadvantages. Heavier paddle means slower hands and worse control/soft game. As a singles specialist, I can see why she would play with such a heavy paddle. If she wanted to be competitive in doubles, though, she'd need an entirely different paddle to not be a liability.
If there are standards of behavior expected of the players then the same should apply to the fans. Another crossroad for PB to navigate. Be like NFL where pretty much anything goes, be like tennis where you can’t even move during points, or be something in between. But for gods sake, make a decision and enforce it for everyone!
@@davidallott5826 not a bad point sport needs interaction and noise so I think they should allow the fans to make noise - see eg badminton where it happens during points - also more applause after good points
@@sandon212 I’m all for crowds getting excited but there’s a line as to what is acceptable and what isn’t. This episode, in my opinion, crossed that line. The thing is, it doesn’t matter what you or I think. These Tours need to decide what their identity is going to be. Need to decide what sort of environment they want at these events. Are they going after drunken frat boys screaming insults or do they want an event where mom and dad can take the kids. You can’t have both… courts too small in PB. Again, just my opinion, but if you want to grow a sport, you look 10 years down the line and engage juniors at the grass roots level.
The paddle is actually delaminated, you could hear it sitting in the crowd, it just wasn't deemed to be "outside the legal range." Whatever that means. I think we will see this more and more now, where the top pros will be getting a pass on their paddles. Tyson's was clearly delaminated and we won't hear a peep about it.
No one knows if Devidze actually turned in that particular paddle in to test for a delaminating paddle. When there are 2 to 3 or more paddles in your bag.
When a paddle is challenged it’s taken away at the net - also I’m told they either sticker or write on them - nothing to worry about Re that issue apparently
ya. I wanna know the process exactly. We know there is a sticker put on the paddle. That's about all I know. So when is it put on? What is on the sticker (unique bar code perhaps?). How do we know that the sticker is not removed and put on another paddle? Can we get more transparency on this process please?
I was told it’s one of those stickers that can’t be removed without it tearing but yes it would be great if there could be transparency for the players never mind the public …
Big L for Jansen ooooof.
She is really annoying in most game, she plays as a pro, but she is not professional at all.
I will never watch a game with her in it unless I’m interested in her opponent. No class.
Let's get those apologies from both Jansen and Jones
It’s all good if she apologizes. If not, then I’ll lose some respect. Because she didn’t “think” it was delaminated. She acted as she KNEW it was
Jansen’s “L” yielded to the PPA taking action by testing paddles. someone had to start the fire.
Great coverage on this whole issue. Knew you'd give us a good rundown, keep up the great work.
Thanks for the news bro 🙏
Rules need to change, not fair to players if their paddle fails during the match, testing should only be allowed before the match
Absolutely, this “likely to fail” statement is ridiculous. If paddles “failing” during a match is a real concern, paddle certification needs to include a delaminating durability stress test covering a tournament length, and then have players use a new one for major events.
What an idiotic system the pickleball authorities have. So you can claim someone cheated and based on your claim they get defaulted the next match and then it comes back there was nothing wrong and that person still loses just based on your claim? How is that an ongoing system and who came up with that knowing how stupid that is. Does that happen in tennis? Imagine if someone accused you of something and based on that it reflected on your next match? They should do before tests or just legalize these paddles and tell players they should adapt to new technologies. In tennis they introduced poly strings, those weren't banned. Or they should move the kitchen back a foot so people aren't hovering over the kitchenline slap ready. There's so many things they can do to improve the rules. I still think it's outrageous your opponent gets to call your balls in or out and that's just how it is.
So Sarah was told that the paddle would likely fail, but she chose to continue to play. No one to blame but herself.
She was told it’s “likely to fail”? 😂
What are we doing now, predictive analytics for point of failure? It’s either legal or not. Whoever told her that needs to stay their lane and avoid input that only an engineer with precise equipment and models could determine, and even then it’s not part of the rules. It’s incredibly distracting to have to change paddles in the middle of a match or tournament. Either everyone is required to use a fresh paddle each day or let it be and stop obsessing over paddles “potential” to “fail”
@@TechSalesTom Whoever tested did predict it would fail, and warned her. And they were right. So it was a reasonable heads up that she chose to ignore, to her own detriment.
@@kento1957 Ah mixed up Salome and Sarah, was Salome told her paddle was likely to fail too?
@@TechSalesTom Not that I know of.
Lea let’s her disdain for devidze get in the way of competing with her. She implodes against her
Your videos are awesome. I hope your channel gets the recognition it deserves as the sport continues to draw new fans.
by what I read, Devidze’s paddle was delaminated however delaminated within the arbitrarily PPA limit. with that said Jansen wasn’t wrong when she accused the paddle to be delaminated because she never stated how much or the degree of delam.
Lea is a much better player when she stays out of her own way and plays on her side of the net Competing and not Complaining! Lea has some serious skills. I hope she finds the inner peace to be able to showcase those skills. Apologizing to Salome would be a perfect start…
She's only gotten worse and now she thinks she's justified to be in her villain era so that's the bed she wants to lie in
Thanks for the very objective and informative episode!
Thank you for your time and posting. Lea Jansen has become quite a loser. Ansboury had a choice, she chose wrong. All paddles should be tested before and after important matches.
Jansen lets her emotions get the better of her. An eleven ounce Vatic will hit like a truck.
I am beginning to doubt the validity of the "standards." Are these arbitrary? You simply can't have that many paddles passing a pre-match test and then failing the very next round.
The testing methords themselves must also undergo scrutiny for the same reasons.
Well said! Still HUGE problems with their methods and procedures…. AND taking to twitter with their semi bogus conclusions was either juvenile or just plan ignorant. …just like what Ben did!
@@JSZstudios Welcome to the PPA.
Excellent video! Need to buy a VaticPro paddle 😊
Good video brother
Lea should definitely apologize for her accusation now.
One match! That’s wild, good on them for taking it well
Salome was right ...Lea wrong. Salome deserves apologies.
So you can accuse your opponent of cheating and when proven wrong nothing happens to you? WTF
The only real solution at this point is for the players to come to an agreement to challenge every paddle after every match to force the ppa to do something. This takes the onus off of the players because it’s everyone is universally doing it there should be no drama directed at players having to challenge their opponents paddles as that will be common practice
If it is legal going into the match then it should stand. Otherwise you need to check the paddles after EVERY game played...this paddle crap is getting ridiculous!
All this started with the new tennis peeps coming into the game... the original pros were exactly that - professional!
The “original pros” also have tennis backgrounds for the most part. I agree that this paddle stuff is crazy but no need to blame tennis.
Hence I said new tennis peeps...not disparaging tennis.
Hope Allyce "Might Annoying" Jones and Lea are ready with their apologies 😅 especially Allyce considering she has negative chances of winning a singles game against Salome 😆
Just learning pickleball coming from tennis. Not understanding why lot of rules were put in. In tennis over the years tennis racquets and strings have become more powerful and there is more and more spin yet we don't have limitations on how fast a person can serve with a particular racquet. Men pros routinely serve at 120+ mph with the fastest over 150 mph now. We don't say OH, we have to put restrictions so the returner can return the ball. OH, players like Nadal and Alcaraz among many others, are putting too much spin on the ball. We have to do something so that isn't so.
Is there any explanation for why Salome’s paddle sounded so obviously delaminated? I’m sure she’s not just lying about the results, but you have to wonder how arbitrary these ranges are for acceptable paddles. Or maybe the sound of a paddle really doesn’t mean that much?
Damn, video of Ben and Colin getting knocked out literally just got copyright taken down while I was watching lol. Does the PPA not allow for re-broadcasting of their games?
I just checked the video is still online
There was no challenge at the US Open.
The player who challenge another player paddle, should be penalized if it comes back negative.
No challenges because if you are wrong it's a year suspension I heard.???
@@kimleith1378 yes... Just in PPA Pros to let that drama happen and one player cause another player.
US Open fixed that, to stop the non sense.
Yup, test all paddles before ever match.
I know it's a broader issue in the sport...and that Devidze's tendency to make pretty iffy line calls doesn't exactly endear other players to her....but a lot of the matches I've seen where she was getting "called out" for this was her opponents just constantly hitting ball machine shots back to the middle of her court, she smashes it (because why not), and after the opponent does this like 9-10 times in a row and gets exhausted they cry foul on the paddle.
Same thing happens in tennis. You can't just stand there and feed balls chest high up the middle of the court to someone who loves to just cannon from the baseline...you're going to get worked.
They're a professional racquet sport player...they're not going to miss that shot very often.
You don't need a "delaminated" paddle to hit a ball really REALLY hard if you've got full blown tennis forehand form and someone isn't even making you move.
The paddle issue seems to also be coupling with the issue of the sport getting a lot more popular. Some of the "old guard" players are starting to get pushed down in the pecking order and are realizing they're not quite as dominant as they thought they were. Most of them are handling it like pros and just work harder than ever to improve. But you always get that small subsection who just start throwing tantrums like they're "owed" winning forever.
As the competitive pool gets bigger and bigger...being at the top of the game is going to become harder and harder.
If PPA keep allowing the heavy hitter paddles’ use and not limit the weight and deflection, they are digging the grave of singles pickleball. No one wants to watch players blasting rockets at each other which are simply too fast to react to. I already can’t stand watching singles.
I’m new to pickle ball - coming from tennis world. The paddle specs seem a bit arbitrary? Seems like there is not much room for modification of your paddle like in tennis, where you can use different strings and tensions to increase spin or power? Is this a bad analogy on my part?
Wait, so use overtime can make your paddle illegal?
Big win for Vatic and Devidze, not so much for Gamma especially after the Riley Newman paddle failure.
Sorry...I'm new to this sport and I still don't know all the rules.
What's the problem shown in the video?
When a player challenges the opponent’s paddle during or after the match, does her own paddle get tested too? Should be so in my opinion.
Nope, but not every paddle is subject to this type of failure. I agree that everyone should be subject to the same testing if this will be done. Either test at the start of the match or tournament, or mandate new paddles for each weekend, provided by the manufacturers who should be meeting standards that include durability over an entire tournament weekend at minimum.
A challenge of a paddle that tests legal results in a $250 fine for the player who issued the challenge. IMO this is too imbalanced, with a loss being far more severe than an insignificant $250. Raise the fine to $1000 or $2000, or change the failure penalty to requiring a paddle swap and rematch. Most fair would be testing before a match, and simply allowing for a swap out with a failure. We have to assume that athletes are not purposely trying to get an unfair advantage, but the current penalties assume ill intent.
Can a paddle really deteriorate to the point of making it illegal after playing matches in the same day?
Ansboury was told that her paddles were possibly going to fail if she uses them. She decided to use them.
@@Mr.DJones oh I see. Thank you for the clarification
Well, Lea now looks like a cry baby, blaming her inability to deal with Salome's ground strokes on what she thought was an illegal paddle... oops, play better Lea and keep the drama to a minimum. That being said, Salome has made a name for her self for making really bad line calls so maybe she brought some of this on her self! The drama continues. Sure would like to know who the paddle manufacturers where with failed paddles and who the players were. More transparency will help keep "some" of them inline!!!
Lol. Salome asked for the line judges
Maybe I did not watch enough games, I did not see Salome made bad line call. But I did see Lea made bad line calls when she played with Salmoe,. Two times she called out which obviously both were in and they were in after reviewing. One time Salmoe called out which was obviously out. Lea challenged it with very bad attitude, but it was out after reviewing. One time also with Salmoe, she lost a point and she blamed on the audience and she got replay, that was deciduous.
@@meihao2002 back when they had first started to battle each other, Salome was definitely the one making the bad line calls. She was absolutely ridiculous with her line calls and I hated watching her play because of it. However, she has gotten so much better about it. I haven't seen her make a bad call in a few tournaments and she seems to have turned a new leaf. Jansen seems to have taken the reverse approach. She has gotten progressively worse at her line calls and acts like a baby the entire time. So that (along with Jansen Stans) are why she is disliked as much as she is.
That's just ridiculous if a paddle passes before the match then it's a legal paddle. You don't get points taken away after a game because come to find out the ball was deformed or cracked during play. If the paddle doesn't pass the test after the game then the player should just have to continue the tournament with a new paddle or forfeit if they don't have one.
Terrible manufacturing process for these paddles to become unusable from hitting a plastic ball.
“it’s a binary situation”. What does that mean? What are the two situations?
Soon we'll see a 14oz paddle. Stacked lead tape on it lol
Not a good look for Pickleball. Manufactures are building these paddles cheap and getting called out
I disagree - players are bigger and stronger _ add to that they are adding weight (which FYI, I recently found out voids the paddle warranty of some manufacturers,) and there is simply more stress put on them than they were designed for. Did you notice the weight of Salome's paddle? She had added almost 3 oz of lead - manufacturers can't anticipate that.
@@billkennedy401 No weight limit?? When does a paddle become a "club"?
@@kimleith1378 Per current Rules? Never - however, technically, if a paddle were built to its maximum size, theoretically you could add so much tape that, if you wanted to measure it close enough, you could exceed the max size allowed. But that would take a perfect storm of events.
I thought the challenge meant the challenger would face consequences if wrong?
Literally who would ever challenge if it worked that way XD
The paddle she turned in was not delaminated... haha
Hey if you can't beat someone fairly just accuse them of having a overpowered paddle
It's not tell-lez it's tay-yaz
how are the paddles that are tested proven to be the ones were used in the game...unless the referee takes the paddle right there on the court, who know what kinds of hocus pocus goes on behind the curtain....all these paddles are going to break down over time and get hotter and players are just going to have to get used to this happening...the same thing happens with our softball bats even though they pass testing at the beginning of the tourney and won't pass at the end.....this is going to be an issue for the next 6 months and more
Damn 11oz, no wonder it hit like that 😂
Never understood why there is no weight limit??
@@kimleith1378 advantages and disadvantages. Heavier paddle means slower hands and worse control/soft game. As a singles specialist, I can see why she would play with such a heavy paddle. If she wanted to be competitive in doubles, though, she'd need an entirely different paddle to not be a liability.
This game is so, so stupid.
...says the curling athlete
Fans need to keep their mouths shut during points.
Um no - players need to be focused …
@@sandon212 go away troll
If there are standards of behavior expected of the players then the same should apply to the fans. Another crossroad for PB to navigate. Be like NFL where pretty much anything goes, be like tennis where you can’t even move during points, or be something in between. But for gods sake, make a decision and enforce it for everyone!
@@davidallott5826 not a bad point sport needs interaction and noise so I think they should allow the fans to make noise - see eg badminton where it happens during points - also more applause after good points
@@sandon212 I’m all for crowds getting excited but there’s a line as to what is acceptable and what isn’t. This episode, in my opinion, crossed that line. The thing is, it doesn’t matter what you or I think. These Tours need to decide what their identity is going to be. Need to decide what sort of environment they want at these events. Are they going after drunken frat boys screaming insults or do they want an event where mom and dad can take the kids. You can’t have both… courts too small in PB. Again, just my opinion, but if you want to grow a sport, you look 10 years down the line and engage juniors at the grass roots level.
The paddle is actually delaminated, you could hear it sitting in the crowd, it just wasn't deemed to be "outside the legal range." Whatever that means. I think we will see this more and more now, where the top pros will be getting a pass on their paddles. Tyson's was clearly delaminated and we won't hear a peep about it.
Tyson’s paddle was successfully challenged what do you mean?
No one knows if Devidze actually turned in that particular paddle in to test for a delaminating paddle.
When there are 2 to 3 or more paddles in your bag.
When a paddle is challenged it’s taken away at the net - also I’m told they either sticker or write on them - nothing to worry about Re that issue apparently
This is why pickleball is a joke...illegal paddles. What a joke sport
I dont have to ask: are we absolutely sure she gave to right paddle to be tested? Dont be nieve
ya. I wanna know the process exactly. We know there is a sticker put on the paddle. That's about all I know. So when is it put on? What is on the sticker (unique bar code perhaps?). How do we know that the sticker is not removed and put on another paddle? Can we get more transparency on this process please?
I was told it’s one of those stickers that can’t be removed without it tearing but yes it would be great if there could be transparency for the players never mind the public …
PPA thinks so and I don’t think she’s signed with them so I’d go with believing them … if she was signed maybe not …
Talked too much. Go straight to the point!