From a writing perspective, you have to admit that President Bartlett’s position and decision have merit. They had an agreement, they were meeting to sign. The Speaker of the House changed their offer at the last minute expecting capitulation. To put it in different terms, you buy a car, you agree on a price, you get to the check signing part and the price is 4 grand more. You politely say no, not what we agreed on. If they don’t honor the agreement, you walk away.
It's not even that they reigned in at the last second. They had a deal 3 (THREE) separate times before this, and each time Hawley pulled back and said "actually we need a little more cut" until finally, they pulled a 1% cut and it pissed off the White House. Josh was the only one who recognized that Hawley had them by the balls, but he was sidelined cause Leo was pissed at him and the President was checked out after Zoey's kidnapping. It took Abby coming back and telling Bartlet to get Josh back in the game for him to finally start fighting back. And in the end, they won and got the budget passed.
It also doesn't help that he's also curveballing his own colleagues, who also didn't expect it and are just as worried as the White House because Bartlett's stunt on the Hill makes it look like they're not negotiating in good faith (which they aren't). They had a deal too, and their own Speaker threw it in the air to make the White House look weak and it backfired.
Clearly you are talking about Trump's orchestrating the shut down of the government for political posturing. But you are ignoring a minor fact. The president caved, lost his nerve, blinked, folded his hand, however you wish to state it.
@@sabrewolf4129 We know Trump gives a fuck...about his wallet and bank account. It's clear when he signed the tax cuts that benefited him and his constituents and screwed the rest of us.
@Michael Moretti Don't confuse "having absolutely no idea what to do" with a negotiating strategy! 😄😆 By the way - how's North Korea going? How about the trade war with China? Heck, how about negotiating healthcare reform? t'rump can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag! 😅😂
The Democrats have always been shitty at explaining things. The Republicans are masters of messaging above all else. The simpler explanation always goes the furthest because it takes the least effort to remember - it doesn't even have to be true, it just has to *stick*.
Yeah, Republicans intentionally sabotaging the internal functions of the country like usual, and then loudly using their propaganda outlets to blame the other side.
No, I'll go with politicians in either party that want to play with the power they have for no other purpose than to play. I'm reminded of an episode in Law and Order where a congressman manipulates a domestic abuse crime to bring up civil rights issues. An attorney called him out on paraphrasing MLK with "King walked with the angels. You crawl and slither on your belly to get what you want".
Good move. Checkmate. This reminds me of a similar situation I had. We were buying our first house decades ago. The seller was an old lady very selfish. We were in our 20's. She wanted us to close on Dec 25, and move in on Jan 1. The dates were ridiculous. You can't get a mover then, and we would have had to pay rent for another month if not moved out by Dec 30 or before. There was still a lot of time for her to move out. We had decided on an earlier date, and we were at the closing table with attorneys present. And she had changed the dates at the last moment. I was so furious. Without consulting my husband, I said no. Vehemently no. If she changed the dates, there would no closing, no moving, and NO SALE. I got up and was ready to walk away. My husband got up too and played along. I refused to be a patsy and jerked around by this woman. What else would she pull? I also said, I would sue her for my closing costs, new rental, and moving expenses for packing. Since this was winter, I knew that house would sit on the market for months longer. The attorneys would not get paid if the sale did not go through. So I held the cards. There was a last minute frantic discussion between her and her attorney. He came back to us with better dates. So the sale went through. Later my husband asked if I was serious? I said, of course. You have to be prepared to walk away in any negotiation.
My wife and I have been buying our first house the last few months (and what an awful time to do so), and I cannot tell you how much I have HATED dealing with sellers over 60. They have been the most unreasonable, selfish, entitled, asshole people I have ever had to deal with. We also had to walk away from a purchase because the sellers were trying to pull shit about a month ago.
In many ways, it is. A government shutdowns throws a wrench in the lives of millions of people. No matter what your politics are, even if you are the average libertarian, nobody should be rooting for a government shutdown.
One thing I never liked is that the Speaker saw that the President was standing up but did not stand with him. It's subtle but it speaks to Haffley's character.
@@Murray9452 While it is not required, it is protocol and shows respect for the OFFICE of the President of the United States. To fail to do so disrespects the office.
@@Murray9452 You're correct, but you misapply why people stand. For royalty, you're standing because of the person. For the POTUS, you're standing out of respect for the power of "We the People" imbued within the office of the President by the Constitution and by their election. It is out of respect for this same power conferred by the public that you stand in court when a judge enters.
Back when we had something called manners, that was the case when any man of higher social standing stood or entered the room. Or simply any woman at all.
One thing I loved about this show was that they made Republicans actually feel like they were fighting for something that they actually believed in. They still called them idiots a bunch in the series but the Republicans genuinely felt real. Minus when the speaker became President. I hated that guy.
My opinion is actually the opposite. The Republicans on the show, including Haffley and Royce, were exposed for who they were: greedy conservatives who were trying to use their leverage to appear tougher than they were. Walken, on the other hand, knew this and did what was right (even though we only see him do so as Acting President and not as Speaker).
They played republicans they way they are, which is ironically the same as how dems are and we’re portrayed…..a mixture of good and bad, smart and dumb, honourable and corrupted.
Josh wouldn’t have let it get to this point. He’d have mocked the Speaker as he’s essentially saying making a deal with him is pointless as he doesn’t have the respect of his members of the house, and then made it clear that he’d bring bait and switch to the press
I didn't care for Angela's character too much, but Josh wouldn't have made a difference at this particular negotiation. The whole reason he wasn't in those negotiations was because he ended up pushing a Democrat congressman too far, which made the guy switch party. Haffley wouldn't have been threatened at this point. The negotiations only turned in their favor when Haffley overplays his hand and keeps the President waiting. Then Josh's advice to walk away helps turn the situation in their favor.
@@dutchking7293 He could only do so much when the Republican Party controlled the senate for the majority of his terms. Sure Democrats held the house, but that can only go so far. Not to mention, during the end of Obama's term, the Republican Majority in the senate outright refused to vote, as in do their one job, on a new Supreme Court Justice purely to spite him. Though to be fair, the likes of Bloomberg are mostly DINOs when it comes to civil rights issues.
@@yao052 Really, go tell that nonsense to the people in Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore etc etc etc where the Dems have ruled for decades and poverty and black on black crime has risen skyhigh.. But i'll bet you find a way to blame the republicans, go ahaed give it your best shot!
The West Wing is on DVD. I have the entire series on DVD. There are two sets, one in a blue file case and the second just a normal box set. I have the file case. Excellent show. I have re-watched the entire series about 4 times.
I mean yes, but not really. Don't forget this comes at the end of the story arc showing Bartlett being a shell of himself after the whole Zoey gets kidnapped series. He's realizing a decision he made as president almost got his daughter killed, his wife was so mad she was refusing to be in the White House, and the president was lost. Haffley knew how weak the president was. It makes perfect sense for him to play hardball here. He clearly wasn't expecting the president to play hardball back, but the only reason the president was willing to play hardball was because CJ had essentially told him to pull his head out of his ass.
Do you remember when the government used to actually do a budget? (a real one hasn’t been done since GWB / close to 20 years)Do you remember when each side would at least pretend to care about the deficit/debt when the other side was in charge?
Obama inherited a deficit of $1.4 trillion in 2008 from Bush and got it down to $500 billion, over a third, in 8 years. Trump inherited this $500 billion deficit and then ran it up to $900 billion, almost doubling, in only 3 years (pre-pandemic). Yeah, the Democrats and the Republicans are the same. (sarcasm)
Do you remember the last president to have a surplus? That's right. Bill Clinton. Do you remember who was president when the debt first reached $ 1 trillion? That's right Mr. Deficit Hawk and cutter of spending, Ronald Reagan. Oh...and in 8 years, Reagan's budgets ran up more debt than in the previous 193.
At least the President is involved with a veto for the budget. The debt limit is even more insane. The debt limit is rule that Congress made up. There's no rule in the Constitution about a debt limit, Congress put it in place themselves. Congress also gets to write the budget, which the President is required by law to spend. So AFTER Congress has ordered the President to spend money, Congress made a rule that only they control that makes it illegal for the President to spend money, because Congress also gets to set taxes and thus determines how much of a deficit there is. The President doesn't have the legal option to say "we shouldn't be spending that much, I'll spend less" after a budget is passed, but that's the only way that a President could comply with a debt ceiling if Congress didn't also authorize enough revenue. Congress essentially, if they ever actually let the debt limit get in the way, would put the President in a position where they are required by law to violate one of the two laws in question. They either have to violate the budget or the debt ceiling, both of which Congress got to write.
And not to long ago there would be another shut down (AGAIN caused by reTrumplicans under false pretext of "protecting the budget from extensive spending...") but this time McConel apparently over played his card deck and has to back down... However... irony of this whole situation is that reTrumplicans ONLY became concerned over budget and spending... when Democrats are in the power in Congres or in the W. H... but when they are control the government... spending and extensive tax cuts for the 1%ts are free real estate for them... 🤦♂️
Funny how now they continuously try to hide the democrats trying to sneak money to that same wall and those evil cages in every darn bill they can. They knew he was right but couldn't stand giving him a win. Don't believe me check the latest border bill that failed.@@fooman2108
I don't know if this was criticism, but that was a cinematographic strategy. The more unstable the situation becomes, the more unsteady the camera is to emphasize the tension.
So apparently, once they shut down the government, the Speaker moved on to his next job, which was Captain Picard's new first officer on the Enterprise.
And yet I could afford eggs when the Cheeto was president, every time you try to get him on something you make it blatantly obvious you are simply using the judicial branch as a cudgel and there is no merit to the case....even when you win......please Mara Lago is worth 18 mil and a building down the street half the size is worth 6 times that.....whatever.
They will happily take an extra 3% of your paycheck, expecting you to lower your budget by that much, but cringe at the idea of not growing the federal budget.
If I were Battlett I would have done the same thing. Then gone on every news program and blasted the speaker for pulling that. Sure they would try the same, but my shouting is louder.
Man this scene hits different with it playing out IRL. I wish biden could do this but the media and many other Democrats haven't helped by making sure more than those who routinely monitor politics know who's really to blame.
Trump pulled this to get his mates a tax cut and then let bannon and his cronies steal millions from that wall fund, hes a really nice guy to steal left right and centre
imho, this scene would have been more effective without the use of the handheld cameras. The picture bouncing up and down is very distracting, especially in the closeups. I usually like the informality of the handheld shots but this particular scene would have been more dramatic if the camera had been still.
That was the good old times - where the world respected the functioning free government with checks and balances, with peaceful transfer of power. Sigh. Gone.
this is all pardon my french .... BULL SHIT !!!!!!! I don't think any person living in the United States within the last 60 years has ever asked themselves .... Why is congress always talking about a "BALANCED BUDGET " and not a paid off budget ??????????????
What's funny is the party like "likes" Jeb, hates Government shutdowns, but the party from the other dude loves it.... But they make it look like shutting the Federal Government would be the end of the world. 😹 Only for fat lazy Government employees.
I miss fondly when the white house of any political party had done enough for the people to see the government shutdown as a bad thing. Now I hope that the budget negotiation(which has to be done all the time because the government spends like a spoiled teenager) fail so that maybe this time the shutdown will wake up even more people to the uselessness of the government and how much we don't miss them when it goes down.
Ahh to look back on when we actually had a federal budget. Now we have an administration that adds 5 trillion of debt in a single year. Though it would be fun to watch a president call a special session through Article 2, section 3 and tell them they aren't going home until a budget is done.
Most Americans wouldn't understand the federal budget if you put it in a school house rock video. Bullshit about having to explain to constituents is just that, bullshit.
@Yes yes yes "nazi" - No, I'm not a socialist. "trump supporters" - You have me confused with someone who voted for him. "do you still believe mexico will pay" - Not sure where this entered the discussion, but how could I "still" believe that?
@@jameswardnc Nazi's were never socialists at all, despite it being in the name. I mean, North Korea's official name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea, since and it certainly doesn't really seem to be a democracy let alone a republic. Plus many socialists in Germany back then even before the Nazi party ever came into existence weren't Anti-Semtists, or white supremacists .
@@thebluedragon07 Yes, the Nazis were socialists. Like Italy, they were fascists, which is a variant of socialism. Yes, they attacked other groups of socialists. Like Lenin vs Trotsky vs Stalin, or Coke vs Pepsi, or McDonalds vs Burger King.
@@jameswardnc "they were fascists, which is a variant of socialism" No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is like saying a dog is just a variation of plant. Fascism is a political ideology. Socialism is a economic philosophy. You can have, and there currently are, countries that are democratic socialist. America is at least in part socialist - Welfare, social security, medicare, police, military.
@Christian Westling. Please... don't use terms you have no idea what they are meaning... and this "spending is a socialism" card so often played by reTrumplicans is already very tiresome... 😒
@@asheer9114 Thanks, I'm from Sweden and my mother grew up in communist Czechoslovakia. I know what socialism is. But tell me whatever Oberlin or Berkley told you.
Aaron Sorkin's liberal thought went into every ep of this show. The "merciful, brilliant" liberal Democratic president stands up to the "merciless, uninformed" conservative Republican members of Congress. Now, with the same "buy now, pay later" attitude in our government, we've surpassed $30 TRILLION in national debt...and nobody is even talking about addressing it.
You’re speaking like we haven’t had Republican presidents over the last twenty years. Or Republican control of the House and/or Senate. It’s amazing that if this level of debt is such a terrible thing when Democrats are power, the Republicans would have solved the problem when they have the power. 🤷♂️
Funny while you have a dem president and a gop congress or vice versa this will always be the case, lets hope the dems make president congress and senate and restore roe v wade and kick trump out
From a writing perspective, you have to admit that President Bartlett’s position and decision have merit. They had an agreement, they were meeting to sign. The Speaker of the House changed their offer at the last minute expecting capitulation. To put it in different terms, you buy a car, you agree on a price, you get to the check signing part and the price is 4 grand more. You politely say no, not what we agreed on. If they don’t honor the agreement, you walk away.
It's not even that they reigned in at the last second. They had a deal 3 (THREE) separate times before this, and each time Hawley pulled back and said "actually we need a little more cut" until finally, they pulled a 1% cut and it pissed off the White House. Josh was the only one who recognized that Hawley had them by the balls, but he was sidelined cause Leo was pissed at him and the President was checked out after Zoey's kidnapping. It took Abby coming back and telling Bartlet to get Josh back in the game for him to finally start fighting back. And in the end, they won and got the budget passed.
@@RobotMetalhead - Good analysis!
@@RobotMetalhead F o o. Come back speeded DCS😊d CD
Happens all the time in irl
It also doesn't help that he's also curveballing his own colleagues, who also didn't expect it and are just as worried as the White House because Bartlett's stunt on the Hill makes it look like they're not negotiating in good faith (which they aren't). They had a deal too, and their own Speaker threw it in the air to make the White House look weak and it backfired.
Fun fact:Both the President and the Speaker played Robert F. Kennedy.
First rule of negotiation- Always be prepared to walk away at a moments notice.
Clearly you are talking about Trump's orchestrating the shut down of the government for political posturing. But you are ignoring a minor fact. The president caved, lost his nerve, blinked, folded his hand, however you wish to state it.
@@Erin-Thor No he didn't. Because unlike you and several other Demonrats, is that Trump actually gives a fuck.
@@sabrewolf4129 We know Trump gives a fuck...about his wallet and bank account. It's clear when he signed the tax cuts that benefited him and his constituents and screwed the rest of us.
Jed Bartlet was a democrat. He would have pissed on Trump. As Will History.
@Michael Moretti
Don't confuse "having absolutely no idea what to do" with a negotiating strategy! 😄😆
By the way - how's North Korea going? How about the trade war with China? Heck, how about negotiating healthcare reform? t'rump can't negotiate his way out of a paper bag! 😅😂
“You will be held responsible”
Says the guy shoe horning in a change at the last minute
Republicans never change. Sorkin saw it when he aired this episode, and it's still just the same now.
The Democrats have always been shitty at explaining things. The Republicans are masters of messaging above all else. The simpler explanation always goes the furthest because it takes the least effort to remember - it doesn't even have to be true, it just has to *stick*.
Republicans.... am i rite?
Yeah, Republicans intentionally sabotaging the internal functions of the country like usual, and then loudly using their propaganda outlets to blame the other side.
No, I'll go with politicians in either party that want to play with the power they have for no other purpose than to play. I'm reminded of an episode in Law and Order where a congressman manipulates a domestic abuse crime to bring up civil rights issues. An attorney called him out on paraphrasing MLK with "King walked with the angels. You crawl and slither on your belly to get what you want".
I always get chills at the percussion after "then shut it down."
To put it in simple terms : The Speaker came in with BullS**T and met Backbone!
Good move. Checkmate. This reminds me of a similar situation I had.
We were buying our first house decades ago. The seller was an old lady very selfish. We were in our 20's. She wanted us to close on Dec 25, and move in on Jan 1. The dates were ridiculous. You can't get a mover then, and we would have had to pay rent for another month if not moved out by Dec 30 or before. There was still a lot of time for her to move out. We had decided on an earlier date, and we were at the closing table with attorneys present. And she had changed the dates at the last moment. I was so furious. Without consulting my husband, I said no. Vehemently no. If she changed the dates, there would no closing, no moving, and NO SALE. I got up and was ready to walk away. My husband got up too and played along. I refused to be a patsy and jerked around by this woman. What else would she pull? I also said, I would sue her for my closing costs, new rental, and moving expenses for packing.
Since this was winter, I knew that house would sit on the market for months longer. The attorneys would not get paid if the sale did not go through. So I held the cards. There was a last minute frantic discussion between her and her attorney. He came back to us with better dates. So the sale went through. Later my husband asked if I was serious? I said, of course. You have to be prepared to walk away in any negotiation.
oh wow! you took charge? ooooooh
"No" is a powerful tool.
No is a complete sentence.
Damn, you ripped that seller a new asshole for that garbage. Nice work!
My wife and I have been buying our first house the last few months (and what an awful time to do so), and I cannot tell you how much I have HATED dealing with sellers over 60. They have been the most unreasonable, selfish, entitled, asshole people I have ever had to deal with. We also had to walk away from a purchase because the sellers were trying to pull shit about a month ago.
Only the West Wing could make a partial-closure of the United States Federal Government into a dramatic cliffhanger.
This was 20 years ago at that point it hadn't happened in like decades or more
@@sdaniels7114 This was based on the budget battle between Clinton and Newt Gingrich right?
Yea...I wish Trump would do this. He didn't the first time because he didn't know better. Now he does. I hope he does.
@@ziraprod6090 There is very little that Trump knows, I think we can all agree on that.
Stephen Daniels Didn’t it happen once in the 90s.
lol! the epic movie trailer ending. Like a budget negotiation is an action center piece.
In many ways, it is. A government shutdowns throws a wrench in the lives of millions of people. No matter what your politics are, even if you are the average libertarian, nobody should be rooting for a government shutdown.
The unsteady camera work is brilliant in this scene - speaking to the CR deal teetering on the brink.
I knew there was another reason why I like this scene so much. Thank you for pointing that out.
I agree.. the uncertainty of the event
That's a really great observation
“That wasn’t part of the deal!”
“I am altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further.” 👿
Never add to an agreement
The phrase come from Darth Vader
One thing I never liked is that the Speaker saw that the President was standing up but did not stand with him. It's subtle but it speaks to Haffley's character.
He's not a king.
@@Murray9452I refer you to a previous episode “in this White House, when the President stands nobody sits”
@@Murray9452 While it is not required, it is protocol and shows respect for the OFFICE of the President of the United States. To fail to do so disrespects the office.
@@elshpen yes they are, they’re in the Roosevelt Room, you see the President coming out of the Oval Office at the start of the scene
@@Murray9452 You're correct, but you misapply why people stand. For royalty, you're standing because of the person. For the POTUS, you're standing out of respect for the power of "We the People" imbued within the office of the President by the Constitution and by their election. It is out of respect for this same power conferred by the public that you stand in court when a judge enters.
Always negotiate from a position of strength. Without strength, your enemies will triumph an inch at a time.
Bartlett is a true man of honour he means well
You know he isn't real, right?
The *GREATEST* show in the _HISTORY_ of television.
You know it!!!
The greatest network show in network history. HBO has them beat. But for network standards this is S tier, no doubt.
Hardly. The left wing.
@@raymond5285 , *_If only_* todays 'leftists' were as moderate as Bartlet.
@@googoo-gjoob If only today's GOP aren't as stupid as they are.
2:27 When the president stands nobody sits
William Zhang I thought the exact same thing when they showed the Speaker sitting lol
I was looking for that plate with the Crab Puffs on it myself!
yes your majesty
Back when we had something called manners, that was the case when any man of higher social standing stood or entered the room. Or simply any woman at all.
@@ExVeritateLibertas that’s not manners, that’s class.
LOVE that scene. Biden should do the same thing the next time this unrealistic demand occurs. Hold the line!!!!
The problem is that Biden is part of the problem. He's one of the gang. They're all in the same gang; the one funded by corporations and unions.
Biden can’t. He thinks he is on a beach or something. Lol
😂😂 okay then
One thing I loved about this show was that they made Republicans actually feel like they were fighting for something that they actually believed in. They still called them idiots a bunch in the series but the Republicans genuinely felt real. Minus when the speaker became President. I hated that guy.
Yeah, but hd was a different kind of man. Not a bad man necessarily, just a different kind.
My opinion is actually the opposite. The Republicans on the show, including Haffley and Royce, were exposed for who they were: greedy conservatives who were trying to use their leverage to appear tougher than they were. Walken, on the other hand, knew this and did what was right (even though we only see him do so as Acting President and not as Speaker).
@Andrew Bjork They were all written to be that way. Regardless of the facts laid bare, it was the principle of the matter.
The deal was not honored.
Walken was great. Hafley was a great “villain”. I used that term because he did try to hijack the negotiations and get more than he already agreed to
They played republicans they way they are, which is ironically the same as how dems are and we’re portrayed…..a mixture of good and bad, smart and dumb, honourable and corrupted.
Josh wouldn’t have let it get to this point. He’d have mocked the Speaker as he’s essentially saying making a deal with him is pointless as he doesn’t have the respect of his members of the house, and then made it clear that he’d bring bait and switch to the press
I didn't care for Angela's character too much, but Josh wouldn't have made a difference at this particular negotiation. The whole reason he wasn't in those negotiations was because he ended up pushing a Democrat congressman too far, which made the guy switch party. Haffley wouldn't have been threatened at this point. The negotiations only turned in their favor when Haffley overplays his hand and keeps the President waiting. Then Josh's advice to walk away helps turn the situation in their favor.
I didn't realize D'Angelo Barksale's mom worked at The White House.
Hahaha ... this was back when republicans claimed to be concerned about spending and deficits. As we all know now, that was just smoke and mirrors.
Like demorats pretend to give a fuck about black people, after eight years Obama we also know that this was just smoke and mirrors.
Oh, they'll care again when they don't hold the executive branch.
DutchKing72 Democrats certainly care more than Republicans. That's a fact.
It's unfortunate to be disagreeing with my fellow Dutch.
@@dutchking7293 He could only do so much when the Republican Party controlled the senate for the majority of his terms. Sure Democrats held the house, but that can only go so far. Not to mention, during the end of Obama's term, the Republican Majority in the senate outright refused to vote, as in do their one job, on a new Supreme Court Justice purely to spite him. Though to be fair, the likes of Bloomberg are mostly DINOs when it comes to civil rights issues.
@@yao052 Really, go tell that nonsense to the people in Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore etc etc etc where the Dems have ruled for decades and poverty and black on black crime has risen skyhigh..
But i'll bet you find a way to blame the republicans, go ahaed give it your best shot!
I've been watching clips of this show and now am sorry I didn't watch it all while it was on TV. I may have to see if it's on DVD.
The West Wing is on DVD. I have the entire series on DVD. There are two sets, one in a blue file case and the second just a normal box set. I have the file case. Excellent show. I have re-watched the entire series about 4 times.
*Why isn't Robert at the McCann Erikson offices on Madison Avenue???*
perfect example of negotiating in bad faith
I mean yes, but not really. Don't forget this comes at the end of the story arc showing Bartlett being a shell of himself after the whole Zoey gets kidnapped series. He's realizing a decision he made as president almost got his daughter killed, his wife was so mad she was refusing to be in the White House, and the president was lost. Haffley knew how weak the president was. It makes perfect sense for him to play hardball here. He clearly wasn't expecting the president to play hardball back, but the only reason the president was willing to play hardball was because CJ had essentially told him to pull his head out of his ass.
You can hear the hard breath of the speaker. He ´s telling NO to the president. Amazing detail from the series.
Do you remember when the government used to actually do a budget? (a real one hasn’t been done since GWB / close to 20 years)Do you remember when each side would at least pretend to care about the deficit/debt when the other side was in charge?
Obama inherited a deficit of $1.4 trillion in 2008 from Bush and got it down to $500 billion, over a third, in 8 years. Trump inherited this $500 billion deficit and then ran it up to $900 billion, almost doubling, in only 3 years (pre-pandemic).
Yeah, the Democrats and the Republicans are the same. (sarcasm)
Do you remember the last president to have a surplus? That's right. Bill Clinton. Do you remember who was president when the debt first reached $ 1 trillion? That's right Mr. Deficit Hawk and cutter of spending, Ronald Reagan. Oh...and in 8 years, Reagan's budgets ran up more debt than in the previous 193.
Everything I need to know about our federal government I learnt from The West Wing.
that is so sad
That's terrible.
Shahid Khan +but hes a democrat so its alright?
Maybe Shahid Khan would prefer a book written by Obama. @@donkeydog7688
@@dongoelz5591 at least it would at least be somewhat credible that Trump's book and intelligible too.
Doesn't congress tells the president what to spend on? How can the speaker claims that congress have to vote to keep footing the bill? It's your bill!
Yeah he told a bunch of lies there. Not surprising, he's a republican.
President can veto. Thus begins the negotiating. President cannot spend money alone.
It's a team effort. The president still has to sign the spending bill.
At least the President is involved with a veto for the budget. The debt limit is even more insane. The debt limit is rule that Congress made up. There's no rule in the Constitution about a debt limit, Congress put it in place themselves. Congress also gets to write the budget, which the President is required by law to spend. So AFTER Congress has ordered the President to spend money, Congress made a rule that only they control that makes it illegal for the President to spend money, because Congress also gets to set taxes and thus determines how much of a deficit there is.
The President doesn't have the legal option to say "we shouldn't be spending that much, I'll spend less" after a budget is passed, but that's the only way that a President could comply with a debt ceiling if Congress didn't also authorize enough revenue. Congress essentially, if they ever actually let the debt limit get in the way, would put the President in a position where they are required by law to violate one of the two laws in question. They either have to violate the budget or the debt ceiling, both of which Congress got to write.
Back at it again in 2018.
but see this is Donnie doll hair shutting down the government for his ego and they've tried to fund everything except his wall of hair gel ...
And not to long ago there would be another shut down (AGAIN caused by reTrumplicans under false pretext of "protecting the budget from extensive spending...") but this time McConel apparently over played his card deck and has to back down...
However... irony of this whole situation is that reTrumplicans ONLY became concerned over budget and spending... when Democrats are in the power in Congres or in the W. H... but when they are control the government... spending and extensive tax cuts for the 1%ts are free real estate for them... 🤦♂️
Funny how now they continuously try to hide the democrats trying to sneak money to that same wall and those evil cages in every darn bill they can. They knew he was right but couldn't stand giving him a win. Don't believe me check the latest border bill that failed.@@fooman2108
With that three percent they should buy a more stable camera.
I don't know if this was criticism, but that was a cinematographic strategy. The more unstable the situation becomes, the more unsteady the camera is to emphasize the tension.
So apparently, once they shut down the government, the Speaker moved on to his next job, which was Captain Picard's new first officer on the Enterprise.
We didn't get a tax-cut to help the economy, we got a tax cut to aid the already wealthy!
And yet I could afford eggs when the Cheeto was president, every time you try to get him on something you make it blatantly obvious you are simply using the judicial branch as a cudgel and there is no merit to the case....even when you win......please Mara Lago is worth 18 mil and a building down the street half the size is worth 6 times that.....whatever.
Brilliant scene
Haffley reminds me of EVERY Republican in office today. Weasels one and all.
President Obama has worn out his copy of this section on DVD :)
They will happily take an extra 3% of your paycheck, expecting you to lower your budget by that much, but cringe at the idea of not growing the federal budget.
If I were Battlett I would have done the same thing. Then gone on every news program and blasted the speaker for pulling that. Sure they would try the same, but my shouting is louder.
BARTLETT.
Very nice..
It was on this episode....the speaker knew....he fucked up
This is the standard for television dramas. Do we understand this?
We do.
This is still the best series in my opinion that I have ever watched.
isnt this appropriate today.
2021... and its still actual... 😒
This is what Biden should do with the debt ceiling.
Man this scene hits different with it playing out IRL. I wish biden could do this but the media and many other Democrats haven't helped by making sure more than those who routinely monitor politics know who's really to blame.
He'd forget what the conversation was about before the deal was reached.
Didn’t Trump pull this to attempt to get a wall?
Trump pulled this to get his mates a tax cut and then let bannon and his cronies steal millions from that wall fund, hes a really nice guy to steal left right and centre
And I said no
What's with the moving camera?
While I agree that reducing government spending is needed, that was pure dirty politics to pull out that demand at the very last moment.
"America does not deal with theorists" you threatened them and was surprised he says no
i just finished 6th run thru...
I think I’m on the 10th and I’m not kidding lol. I just love this show and can’t stop watching it
I try to keep it to once a year. I don't ever want to over watch it. And it is still as good as I remember...
Presidents Bartlett and Kennedy in the same room
What movie was sheen rfk?
The 24-esque handheld camera action made me hate this season!!
THAT president doesn't exist.
imho, this scene would have been more effective without the use of the handheld cameras. The picture bouncing up and down is very distracting, especially in the closeups. I usually like the informality of the handheld shots but this particular scene would have been more dramatic if the camera had been still.
It was a cinematographic strategy. The more unstable the situation becomes, the more unsteady the camera is to emphasize the tension.
An Asian President won't shut it down regardless. We open for Christmas! FIX EVERYTHING!
Yang2020.com
The presumptive GOP nominee makes me long for Nixon...
Even on a television series .. gummint must move on getting bigger ..
Royce is a very admirable character
markbailey1970 indeed
yeah, Royce is pretty good
Welcome to 2019 where Trump shuts it down so he can play golf and create a diversion from the dozens of lawsuits he faces.
That's not why he allowed it to shut down
@@BryonLetterman Demorats have trouble with facts, just leave them be...
MATH!
Welcome to 2023 where Biden is a corrupt, elderly pedophile about to lose to Trump.
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A liberal President would never agree to this....
Joe ain't no Jeb Bartlett
Societal Lesson 101. People in suits and ties making decisions for the rest of us is ridiculous.
Threes no special wisdom in jeans.
there's no special wisdom in baseball hats
Andrew Yang doesn't wear a tie and he would like to give you (all adult citizens) $1000 a month. Yang2020.com
@@stormwatcher59 cheap way to buy an election, no?
@@jonblakemore6454 two years too late kid
The people who fail trying to blame the guy who signs the done deal.
About to happen again...in real-life...
Shutdown. The negotiation tactic so nice Trump did it thrice.
Art of the Deal, as it were.
That was the good old times - where the world respected the functioning free government with checks and balances, with peaceful transfer of power. Sigh. Gone.
Why is the camera shaking so bad....wtf
Buy the DVD set so you can quit bitching about a free upload.
Having big balls is easy in a tv show. Not realistic
Then shut it fark down.
Trump moment. Shut it down!
How to bankrupt a nation.
this is all pardon my french .... BULL SHIT !!!!!!!
I don't think any person living in the United States within the last 60 years has ever asked themselves .... Why is congress always talking about a "BALANCED BUDGET " and not a paid off budget ??????????????
What's funny is the party like "likes" Jeb, hates Government shutdowns, but the party from the other dude loves it....
But they make it look like shutting the Federal Government would be the end of the world. 😹
Only for fat lazy Government employees.
Boenher
I miss fondly when the white house of any political party had done enough for the people to see the government shutdown as a bad thing. Now I hope that the budget negotiation(which has to be done all the time because the government spends like a spoiled teenager) fail so that maybe this time the shutdown will wake up even more people to the uselessness of the government and how much we don't miss them when it goes down.
We had a deal at 1%/a wall! Well it's going to have to be 3%/ a fence in El Paso. How many rounds do we go Nancy? Then shut it down.
Ahh to look back on when we actually had a federal budget. Now we have an administration that adds 5 trillion of debt in a single year.
Though it would be fun to watch a president call a special session through Article 2, section 3 and tell them they aren't going home until a budget is done.
Now they just print more money
Most Americans wouldn't understand the federal budget if you put it in a school house rock video. Bullshit about having to explain to constituents is just that, bullshit.
Pulling s president trump
Back when liberals made the argument that shutting down the government was a point of pride and principle.
I'm from another country Pride and principle has nothing to do here then or now.
@Yes yes yes "nazi" - No, I'm not a socialist.
"trump supporters" - You have me confused with someone who voted for him.
"do you still believe mexico will pay" - Not sure where this entered the discussion, but how could I "still" believe that?
@@jameswardnc Nazi's were never socialists at all, despite it being in the name. I mean, North Korea's official name is Democratic People's Republic of Korea, since and it certainly doesn't really seem to be a democracy let alone a republic. Plus many socialists in Germany back then even before the Nazi party ever came into existence weren't Anti-Semtists, or white supremacists .
@@thebluedragon07 Yes, the Nazis were socialists. Like Italy, they were fascists, which is a variant of socialism. Yes, they attacked other groups of socialists. Like Lenin vs Trotsky vs Stalin, or Coke vs Pepsi, or McDonalds vs Burger King.
@@jameswardnc "they were fascists, which is a variant of socialism" No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is like saying a dog is just a variation of plant.
Fascism is a political ideology.
Socialism is a economic philosophy.
You can have, and there currently are, countries that are democratic socialist.
America is at least in part socialist - Welfare, social security, medicare, police, military.
Slash it slash it. 50% is to low.
You can tell it's fiction because the Democrats have actual spine.
awwwww poor little guy
The republicans should have closed the government to get a complete reduction of the deficit.
You mean like today's Republicans. Largest deficit in history. Maybe ever. Some people say "in a long time."
I’m saying should have, as in morally obligated, not that any politician would do what they should do.
...but instead, they spent more than anybody in history. They can't help themselves because they are selfish.
Socialists be like "of course we have to keep on spending!"
@Christian Westling. Please... don't use terms you have no idea what they are meaning... and this "spending is a socialism" card so often played by reTrumplicans is already very tiresome... 😒
@@asheer9114 Thanks, I'm from Sweden and my mother grew up in communist Czechoslovakia. I know what socialism is.
But tell me whatever Oberlin or Berkley told you.
Tea Baggers have a hard-on for more and more defense spending AND giving rich a-holes more tax cuts.
Aaron Sorkin's liberal thought went into every ep of this show. The "merciful, brilliant" liberal Democratic president stands up to the "merciless, uninformed" conservative Republican members of Congress. Now, with the same "buy now, pay later" attitude in our government, we've surpassed $30 TRILLION in national debt...and nobody is even talking about addressing it.
You know the Republicans are responsible for some of that too right? Lol
@@jonv1776, aren't they responsible for EVERYTHING EVIL in the world? LMAO
It's because every government in the US, both red and blue, use money as a drunk sailor on leave.
@@KjartanAndersen, you couldn't be more wrong. Drunk sailors spend THEIR OWN MONEY. Governments spend YOUR money, not theirs.
You’re speaking like we haven’t had Republican presidents over the last twenty years. Or Republican control of the House and/or Senate. It’s amazing that if this level of debt is such a terrible thing when Democrats are power, the Republicans would have solved the problem when they have the power. 🤷♂️
Funny while you have a dem president and a gop congress or vice versa this will always be the case, lets hope the dems make president congress and senate and restore roe v wade and kick trump out