Notice how Mal was already going up the stairs and really leave Jayne to die. He wasn't bluffing! He only changed his mind because of Jayne showing that he was ashamed of what he did, and so he had to go back down two steps to close the cargo door. He had no intention before of closing it at the last second while walking past it.
This was exactly what I was going to comment on. Only at the end was Jayne feeling genuine remorse. Not only that but Jayne was done begging and accepted his fate. That combo of feelings saved Jayne's life.
Yeah, that wasn't a "stern warning" as these reactors seem to think, that was the execution of a traitor right up until Jayne showed that he cared about what the rest of the crew thought of him. I think Mal sees Jayne as kind of like a big, dumb, dangerous dog that he doesn't fully trust. Some dogs just can't be socialised (usually because of abuse but that's by the by) and sadly those you have to put down, they can never be trusted around people. But some dogs, even after they've bitten you once, can be made to understand it was wrong and be trusted not to do it again. Jayne showed that he _might_ be the second kind of dog and that saved his life (no spoilers but it's actually a nice little bit of foreshadowing for the next episode).
The thing to truly understand is that Mal was 0% bluffing. He sentenced Jayne to die and meant it the whole way. He wasn't feeling him out, he wasn't testing him, he wasn't scaring him straight. He and Jayne agreed when this day came it would be an "interesting day", and that's how the day was going to end. Jayne lived because he showed shame, and showed it *after* accepting he'd die for what he did. That's why Mal spared him.
It wasn't the shame that changed Mal's mind. Jayne realized he actually cared about the crew, even Simon and River. Mal realized Jayne's heart is there. He's rough and crude and not entirely reliable, but he's part of the family and Jayne values that deep down.
@@albertmeier2425 I'm not entirely convinced of your take on the matter, as muche as I agree with Dan H...but I expect those were factors, I'm not feeling they were 'deciding' factors.
@@albertmeier2425 I agree with you. Jayne always showed himself to be an unrepentant scoundrel, and he didn't care who knew it. But he genuinely cares about the people on Serenity. So he actually cares about what they think, and he wants them to think well of him. I've even heard people argue that him trying to get Simon and River removed was for the benefit of the crew. Which makes sense if you think about how unpredictable River is.
What you may have missed: her amigdala was completely removed, meaning she can't NOT feel negative emotions and experiences. Now multiply that by all the minds that might be open books to her at any given time, the telepathic rock and roll concert that she literally can't tune out, especially on a densely populated planet like Ariel. That's why, whether Simon realized it or not, being on Serenity was good for her. A minimal number of other minds nearby, especially way out in "the black". Some powerful personalities on board, but still, for the most part, her mind can finally snatch some moments of... serenity.
@@jean-paulaudette9246 She's basically trolling Jayne this whole episode. My favorite is when she says "copper for a kiss" which is an allusion to Judas' betrayal of Jesus.
@@jean-paulaudette9246 "Came down the stairs for the shiny presents, but they took the tree and the stockings. Nothing left but coal." She was making fun that Jayne did not end up getting rewarded by the Feds, as he expected.
I love this episode. Especially that scene at the end between Mal and Jane. You could feel the emotion. It was also a great tie-in to an earlier episode where Mal asked Jane why he didn't turn on him. To which Jane said "the money wasn't good enough." Mal: "What happens when it is?" Jane: "Well that would be a real interesting day." Great writing. Also, those medical pods look oddly exactly like the Thule Cargo carrier on my car.
Fun little bit of trivia, the scene when they're back when Mal grabs/hugs Kaylee. That was Nathan subtlety moving Jewel because she was in the wrong place and in the way of the shot.
There's also a shot way back, in the pilot, maybe, where Nathan grabs her and hugs her. It wasn't scripted- Nathan threw it in in one of the takes, improvised, and it was SO right, Joss kept it in. Mal loves Kaylee, big brother style. As do we all...
There was a meme about lines from Whedon shows, so here's my contribution: We applied the cortical electrodes, but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient. 2020. Now more than ever.
Really enjoying rewatching along with you guys!👍 Still an amazing show!
Notice how Mal was already going up the stairs and really leave Jayne to die. He wasn't bluffing! He only changed his mind because of Jayne showing that he was ashamed of what he did, and so he had to go back down two steps to close the cargo door. He had no intention before of closing it at the last second while walking past it.
This was exactly what I was going to comment on. Only at the end was Jayne feeling genuine remorse. Not only that but Jayne was done begging and accepted his fate. That combo of feelings saved Jayne's life.
Yeah, that wasn't a "stern warning" as these reactors seem to think, that was the execution of a traitor right up until Jayne showed that he cared about what the rest of the crew thought of him.
I think Mal sees Jayne as kind of like a big, dumb, dangerous dog that he doesn't fully trust. Some dogs just can't be socialised (usually because of abuse but that's by the by) and sadly those you have to put down, they can never be trusted around people. But some dogs, even after they've bitten you once, can be made to understand it was wrong and be trusted not to do it again. Jayne showed that he _might_ be the second kind of dog and that saved his life (no spoilers but it's actually a nice little bit of foreshadowing for the next episode).
@@anonymes2884 Agreed. Mal knows all too well how the harsh society can produce someone like Jayne. Your "big, dumb, dangerous dog" analogy fits well.
The thing to truly understand is that Mal was 0% bluffing. He sentenced Jayne to die and meant it the whole way. He wasn't feeling him out, he wasn't testing him, he wasn't scaring him straight. He and Jayne agreed when this day came it would be an "interesting day", and that's how the day was going to end. Jayne lived because he showed shame, and showed it *after* accepting he'd die for what he did. That's why Mal spared him.
It wasn't the shame that changed Mal's mind. Jayne realized he actually cared about the crew, even Simon and River. Mal realized Jayne's heart is there. He's rough and crude and not entirely reliable, but he's part of the family and Jayne values that deep down.
@@albertmeier2425 I'm not entirely convinced of your take on the matter, as muche as I agree with Dan H...but I expect those were factors, I'm not feeling they were 'deciding' factors.
@@jean-paulaudette9246 Fair enough :)
@@albertmeier2425 I agree with you. Jayne always showed himself to be an unrepentant scoundrel, and he didn't care who knew it. But he genuinely cares about the people on Serenity. So he actually cares about what they think, and he wants them to think well of him. I've even heard people argue that him trying to get Simon and River removed was for the benefit of the crew. Which makes sense if you think about how unpredictable River is.
The part Wash looks at and casually throughs away in the junkyard is the all-important part ( catalyzer ) that they needed in "Out of Gas".
What you may have missed: her amigdala was completely removed, meaning she can't NOT feel negative emotions and experiences. Now multiply that by all the minds that might be open books to her at any given time, the telepathic rock and roll concert that she literally can't tune out, especially on a densely populated planet like Ariel.
That's why, whether Simon realized it or not, being on Serenity was good for her. A minimal number of other minds nearby, especially way out in "the black". Some powerful personalities on board, but still, for the most part, her mind can finally snatch some moments of... serenity.
Such a gorram good episode. I'm so glad you're taking this doomed adventure with us and enjoying hurtling towards the sudden but inevitable betrayal.
Well I hope you guys noticed Wash picking up and tossing the Catalyser in the junkyard.
This was another nice reference in the show.
@@dunringill1747 Either that or Whedon has some sort of weird obsession with catalysers.
I think by saying "your toes are in the sand" she means he was operating on shaky ground. She knew what he was doing was risky.
Yeah. Funny how much of River's seeming nonsense adds up, in retrospect, in an oblique or kinda abstract way.
@@jean-paulaudette9246 She's basically trolling Jayne this whole episode. My favorite is when she says "copper for a kiss" which is an allusion to Judas' betrayal of Jesus.
@@MsMelyjean Re: Copper for a kiss!
Is it? I honestly thought it was EDITED cos I realized spoilers
@@jean-paulaudette9246 "Came down the stairs for the shiny presents, but they took the tree and the stockings. Nothing left but coal." She was making fun that Jayne did not end up getting rewarded by the Feds, as he expected.
NO! You won't get me responding with spoilers! Stop trying!
I love this episode. Especially that scene at the end between Mal and Jane.
You could feel the emotion.
It was also a great tie-in to an earlier episode where Mal asked Jane why he didn't turn on him.
To which Jane said "the money wasn't good enough."
Mal: "What happens when it is?"
Jane: "Well that would be a real interesting day."
Great writing.
Also, those medical pods look oddly exactly like the Thule Cargo carrier on my car.
The "clear" bit is one of my fav moments haha
Yeah, Man Reactor kind of spoke over the line unfortunately but it's great, I think I like Zoe being funny the most.
The diagnosis was: River's amigdala was butchered. Being 500 years out, Simon treated that injury with drugs we don't have yet, and...
"She's going to pick up on his bullshit." What makes you think she hasn't already? Best. Leo.
Fun little bit of trivia, the scene when they're back when Mal grabs/hugs Kaylee. That was Nathan subtlety moving Jewel because she was in the wrong place and in the way of the shot.
There's also a shot way back, in the pilot, maybe, where Nathan grabs her and hugs her. It wasn't scripted- Nathan threw it in in one of the takes, improvised, and it was SO right, Joss kept it in. Mal loves Kaylee, big brother style. As do we all...
There was a meme about lines from Whedon shows, so here's my contribution:
We applied the cortical electrodes, but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
2020.
Now more than ever.
My favorite episode. Why captain Malcolm Reynolds is such a bad ass Captain
Mines the next episode for pretty much the same reason though
This was the first episode to air *after* it was publicly announced that the series was canceled.
Well, Lauren is sure to learn at least a little more about River; no power in the 'verse can stop her.
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