2024 Elections | SABC News Researcher Velemseni Mthiyane unpacks coalitions
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- Over 50% of the votes have been officially declared, following a slow counting process after Wednesday's ballot. 11 715 voting districts have finalised their votes, out of the total of 23 293 countrywide.
SABC News Specialist Researcher Velemseni Mthiyane unpacks coalitions...
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We need this guy...where has he been all this time. Very informative. He is clear and concise and makes so much sense without confusing anyone.
We need young blood for sure like this guy frm s.a.the young people is the way to go .
Howard College's finest
But some figures which he is providing are not true.he says the gdp of kwa Zulu Nat Al is equal to that of Tanzania ,not true.gdp of tz today is 80 bn us dollars,that of kzn is 16 percent of the gdp of sa (373 us dollars),which is around 59 bn us dollors
Brilliant analyst.
He has high levels of recognition of risk and oppurtunity. And a master communicator.
Why do we only get to here from this guy after voting?
Howard College's finest
Yes, why? @@toyle77
Here i am as a Zambian living in Zambia understanding the proceedings of the South African elections underway fully. Thanks to this Guy and his well articulated analysis. Talk about the professionalism of the female moderator. Thumbs up..
Indeed South Africa media and analysts seem to be on another level
This guy knows what he’s talking about, give him more airtime
indeed
I thought so until he made an enormous mistake comparing the economy of Western Cape to the economy of DRC. He needs to double check his facts. DRC uses US dollars so he made a mistake comparing numbers in rands and in US dollars.
www.statssa.gov.za/?p=11092 @jot178 . My primary source is Statistics South Africa and yes they used dollars when doing international economic comparisons.
@@jot178 l dont think its about currency , look into more facts,
@@jot178 if its about currency then Zimbabwe has a bigger economy that SA lets agree ?
😂😂MK really shook things up...SA is a movie
Bioskop struu.😂😂😂😂
Honestly they are our last hope as black people.
Lol true dayumm 😂😂
Sana still Shooketh 😂😂😅
@@PrincessVelaryonwho are black people 😂😂
This gentleman speaks so well, he is brilliant!! Well done to both of you...
I like this analyst. Keep him. A realist
Very informative hey,and his passion is unmatched❤
What an amazing speaker - Velemseni Mthiyane. I would like to see him doing podcasts.
Coalition is what S.A. needs now,
It is a warning for ANC
We don't need a coalition,if ANC don't get outright majority let it choose to be opposition party.
You are late.
What coalition? Do you even understand the implications?
We need it
Not a problem. As the ANC we are happy to sit on the sidelines and be the opposition. Let the other parties form a coalition government so that we see how much better they will do.
I cannot for the life of me understand why those who voted ANC did. Especially EC, then they be appearing on cutting edge with sad stories🤔. We can't be voting the same people and expect change, we are almost a failed state bathong
We will never understand it's heartbreaking 😢
It's a vicious cycle in the Eastern Cape. Bad leadership and policies tend to result in most of the young people leaving the province. The elderly get left behind and continue to vote for the ANC. Resulting in more bad leadership and policies, which once again cause more young people who would vote against the ANC to leave. So, the ANC stays in power there.
Cry our beloved country. It's shocking to hear that our elders are fearful of forfeiting their social grant if the ANC goes out of power. Politics of fear at play.😢😢😢
Because ANC baloya.lol
@@thamsanqasofika3432yes the elder seem to be stupid , younger generation smart
The female presenter is phenomenal she is articulate and phenomenaly professional
And Beautiful
Now I understand why China worked on being self-sufficient, the moment where political decisions always have the message "make sure the investor is not upset" is not a safe way to work in my view. China has become one of the biggest economies we can't function without because they made every business a manufacturer. We still look outside for "investors" to come in and create industries for us. So sad as an African
Well put
The Chines were willing to go through hunger and sacrifice to get where they are today. South Africans are just not willing to make the sacrifice sadly.
@@PrincessVelaryonmost businesses from china were shipped in by US when they made the policy that manufacturing will be made in China. So all that is called foreign investment they didn't do it themselves
Don't forget that China is a one party government, not a multi-democracy. One voice speaks and fortunately it makes economic sense than a couple of different mouths disagreeing on stupid thing as office furniture. I'm not too sure whether democracy as we know it will help SA develop at the speed China had, democracy is not a panacea for economic development. Methinks
China benefited from America's policy to keep Mexico weak.
Velemseni Mthiyane this guy must be featured on more....he has a rare 360 perspective on everything. He has a gift of explaining difficult economic topics and melts them to be liquid friendly to understand. Thank you Sir for such a delivery
Wow🤭🤭🤭🤭this man is on another level,he has his story together 🥰🥰🥰
Velemseni...you're a shining beacon brother, well researched
Very balanced analysis 👏 👌 👍
Howard College's finest
I actually listened to this guy the whole time.
Mr Willem specialist researcher - thank you kindly for your analysis - very informative. Intelligence personified...
DA will insure investment. MK will ensure stability for economic development. You need both.
We don't need DA investors... We need our land back 🖤💚 viva MK 💚🖤
Juju must learn to listen to people of South Africa
Kumlimazile, he doesn’t understand what pple go through in the ground with foreigners
Absolutely, I would’ve given him my cross only if he was not stubborn with his borderless ideology…not that we hate foreigners, South Africans just want them foreigners to enter legally and be obedient to the laws of SA.
Exactly I was gonna Vote for them until they pull this open borders stuff.
True, he the Pan African Movement went far too much to his head. He forgot to listen to South Africans.
"Malema" and "listen" don't belong in the same sentence !
This guy's was brilliant and impartial!
MK party changed the game
Thank you for to MKP, it has shown ANC that there is a party that can make them see things the other way round, they were too relaxed all these years and doing things the way they like,
Had they not banned President Zuma he would have amassed the most votes because The Man is born a leader
@@stanleygambiza9096thank you so true he’s born leader no matter what
@@stanleygambiza9096
Lol You made my day with this joke
Imagine the track record and still people are so confident , all I can do laugh
I don't think he was born a leader, to be a leader things comes to you automatically you don't force matters to be on your side. A leader does not force things bcos he/she is the chosen one he/she will get into power without talking too much. Let us not confused ourselves that so and so is born a leader. If you and me likes he/she it's okay but let us stop that he/she is born a leader.
SA has a preference for leaders with a less than honourable criminal record.
We are not special from the rest of Africa.
Tribalism rules here.
I used to think the average person was not as stupid as they are perceived to be.
I was wrong.
You guys must stop this nonsense. Stop labelling other people its divisive. It's disgusting because you can't even support this nonsense. Just stupid leaders started this and sheeple followed. Stop!
Yes. Rama is a mass murderer and Zuma is a r*pist.
Americans love trump, the Russians love Putin, Brazilians love Lula…. Etcetera you know what I mean.
Mthiyane baba siyakuvuma, we all seem to have enjoyed your analysis. Kuphuka buthi
Howard College's finest
ANC is in trouble 😂 thanks SA bu this is not enough punishment
ANC deserves 35% max
We certainly needed ANC out of government
This guy analysing like he talking to his friend at the club about politics.
Very informative and clear.
A teacher character. What is needed in explaining the situation... 😊
Coalition will be another Dilemma for Mzansi..... Hope Egos and Pride won't prevail at the expense of Peace and Progress/ Change
A Grand Coalition government could be a blessing in disguise. In Kenya we had a coalition Gov't from 2008 to 2013 and it's during that period that we experienced the least corruption because the 2 parties were each other's watch dog. They kept each other in check throughout and did not "trust" one another which led to prudent use of the country's resources since dubious deals, bills, projects and even budgetary allocations were flagged by Party A and Party B had to convince Party A why such should be allowed to continue and how it would benefit the public.
Personally I would prefer a Tri party coalition.... All underdogs DA, EFF and MK then leave the ANC right out to sit and learn from others. Coz I see them sabotaging their partners if they are allowed anywhere near power. Jacob as President then Deputised by John...then Julius will be Minister of Public Enterprise..... 😎 Triple J could be the answer for Mzansi
D.A and EFF is oil and water.D.A members are land owners, EFF members are land grabbers, it will be chaotic scene. E.F.F M.K and A.N.C are cut from same cloth, they all like a high life, being driven around in Big Black German cars with bodyguards feeling very important among their impoverished voters who see them as their messiah out of poverty.
@@Bhubesireally ? Eff and DA dont even get along, how will they run this country?
@@BhubesiZuma can’t hold office, thank goodness.his MK will be dead by the time he has to go back and face corruption charges on 2025. His corruption case is still a live case and it’s coming back in 2025
Mistake was signing the NHI… and just like that the ANC lost thousands of votes
The big mistake was Ramaphosa and ANC were more close to the D.A even voting with them to remove Black professionals like Mkwebane for example while protecting white criminals and this has angered many Black South Africans hence they decided not to vote an ally to white racism.
Mistake was to mistreat Zuma if they United with Zuma they would have got 50 + it have nothing to do with NHI
NHI was a strategic plan and it worked
NHI doesnt have any effect considering how SAns are discontent about Anc, Zuma pulled the trigger
The NHI had not effect what's so ever
Well done to my fellow South Africans, you showed politicians how powerful we the citizens are .
Wow, wow. Best analyst of them all so far. Well done brother!
This guy is like Steve kompela of politics
I like Velemseni alot.
Thanks man for your clear explanation
Bring Velemseni again he is best that i have heard so far. Hes passion is quite clear, people will listen to him
Please bring this guy back. He is a joy to listen to
The DA made a huge mistake with Mmusi. Mazibuko. Mashaba. And all other young black leaders which would have put them in a much better position in these elections and coalition government. What a shame of this short sighted party amd leadership.
I agree with you 💯% , If they had Musi, they would have had more black votes....Helen Zille and the Federal council must be changed......we need more black representation, black , Indian and coloured
Facts.
💯
Whites thy don't like us if u think whites like black. Yesterday in our office we had farewell party n we were told "no blacks please"
Very true.
Both MK and DA are forward thinking.
They will never make 51%
ANC AND DA PLEASE swallow your pride and work together for the betterment of South Africans
What about Eff and ANC?
Well done @VelemseniMthiyane on a factual analysis. You've hit the nail on the head there my brother.
Indeed we need more of you in this area and you should be given more airtime to share more of your analysis on our economy and politics
Thanks for everyone who voted for the same parties that hasn't changed anything for 30yrs and now you secured their positions again. We are a nation with stockholm syndrome. Its just insanity to expect a difference outcome.
Go Veli... super proud of you 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Producer please tell the lady presenter to move away from the view screen as we need to see those figures,how cant she see her colleague posture?
You are a woman, aren't you. Leave her, we wanna see her
DA and MK can pull South Africa out of poverty.
But the DA doesn't want BRICS and its Pro-West, and they still want Zuma prosecuted
Policies will differ and people will be betrayed, but maybe some miracle will happen.
Only DA
Mk= More Koruption
i wish they can even make a coalision together
EFF was punished by mr ndlozi you don't make a statement about JZ your enemies was anc not jz l think in future you must learn a lesson
Spot on @EzekielMakgoba ... their aggression against JZ reminded us how they hounded him out of his position, and that was too much.
DA is the big deal for investor confidence.
We don't need people who will control your country because of some investors
Strue
Why can't this analyst brother be our president for once? Well articulated my brother.
i have been watching that lady speak she clearly dose not want the DA she has pointed out the areas where the DA have not done much what about what the ANC has done what did the current leader of the M.K. do under his rule ,the PA even though a bit extreme and the DA are the only hope for the future , how long will the quote go of 'its apartheids fault' the people will chose their own future this is how far we have come in 30 years will the lights be on in another or will the water still flow in another 30 years
She need to be called to order.. she's just a meer journalist not apolitical judge here
@@koketsorammutloa4978journalists do this all the time in Europe as well. They often try to highlight their personal opinion rather than that of the analyst.
Olievenhoutbosch centurion is rusty but is run by DA😢
And yet, our black brothers and sisters still believe in the DA
hats off to this guy he knows what he's talking about ...he shud be on SABC PERMANENTLY
Can someone just make this guy the president once and for all.
😂😂😂😂
His so smart
Well done Mthiyane ❤. Great analysis indeed 👏
We have to give Zuma his flowers 💐 😍,what a strategist,what a Boss,What a Man... i wish i voted for him.. What an Mk ❤
Remember when he was removed as president on his last family meeting he said he will be back soon. 7 years later..lol Weldone Mr Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Nxamalala Msholozi Zuma! Singing
×3🎵Wenzeni Zuma
@@lehlohonolomogadime6161 He outsmarted everyone! 😅
ANC will save themselves and go with EFF, regardless of the damage it will do. Then the biggest looting will start.
Ramaphosa won't do that. He knows how much of a headache malema is.
Interestingly enough, the mk has shut down any possibility of working with the anc. So DA is the next logical step.
Ramaphosa won't do that. He knows how much of a headache malema is.
Interestingly enough, the mk has shut down any possibility of working with the anc. So DA is the next logical step.
This is possibly true. EFF have been singing the same song whilst they were in the ANCYL. EFF would have been the perfect transitional leadership from old to new but the old (ANC) didn't know when to hand over the baton the young lions like Mandela did. All they had to do was to do a few things at a time. You can't say the future belongs to the young people but they are an extreme minority in decision making
Now all of a sudden you like the ANC....What kind of a Domkop are you ????
Not on my God's watch!
This gent is fantastic at his analysis
This guy can help parties to decide which party to go into coalition with, he is extremely informed when it comes to.politics
Very clear and concise analysis this guy is not biased respect!!!
Props to the brother, he is very well researched and articulate at that. He is effective at his job.
The EFF should not form part of the coalitions yet to arise. There's a consequence that the country must realize first of tolerating a "subjective democracy". I'm very against this view of being guided by the so-called "market preferences" in political set-ups. We are currently a sad generation and co-existing with the beloved "stable market" not playing any role whatsoever in alleviating our economic duress. The people are not ready yet for a radical change because they allow the definition of our problem to be sugarqouted by the establishments. The spirit of the EFF will endure when what needs to be done is understood properly by our people. ALUTA CONTINUA
Nah brother, that’s easy to say if you have nothing to lose. There are a number of South Africans, especially Black South Africans, who, despite all odds stacked against them made it out of poverty and into the middle class. Therefore, there should be allowed to hold onto whatever strides they have made and that needs a somewhat stable economy that can only be achieved by a stable coalition.
I love your view
You present a giraffe view only few will understand your projection it's a blessing for Eff not to take a lead their project is long term rather than short advocating for pan-Africanism will need extreme patience but the blinds will see in time watch the space
Communist crap.
Yuses Lungah mfethu.....umzabalazo kusafanele uqhubeke for real
Brilliant analysis👏.
Coalition the way to go
Brilliant analyst
Everything he says makes sense.
We pray that all our representatives work together for whats best for the future of our country
Outside influence at it's best again. Why can't people see this. Mk was funded to disrupt the elections and take away votes from EFF. What I don't get is why bring back old man Zuma? Tribal politics in Africa at it's worst. Old men like him have failed Africa. It's sad to see..
I don’t sympathize with the ANC they are the very same people who groomed and nurtured the monster now the monster 👺 is eating them up they protected Zuma in parliament go zuma go,viva Msholozi viva
True. To assuage the Zulu constituency ANC noblese obliged Zuma with the seat at Union building and were duly rewarded with nine years of regression for which they have been duly punished. Ramaphosa would now really wish to take back the pardon offered to his erstwhile comrade turned monster.
Wenzani , wenzeni uZuma
Just off the bat: This is not the "first time in 30 years" that South Africa did not have a strong single party controlling it, it is the first time since 1910! This is truly a historic moment
Very informative session… interesting times
Interesting indeed I'd say
The ANC must retrace its steps to December 2007 onwards to find out why they find themselves in such a malaise. Only then will they find the lessons they need to learn from. Otherwise, come Monday, South Africa is going to be a very interesting place.
They know they do not care. They are too busy lining their & their cronies pockets to run the country properly.
Interesting times
Wow this topic was over interesting and informative.
I learnt so much from this talented academic man..we need more of him to help us be wide awake❤😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
Seems people forget how democracy works. If ANC & EFF coalesce & the policies are disastrous we’ll vote them out. I don’t get what people are so scared🤷🏿♂️
They will make sure they don't get voted out. Don't take them lightly.
@@m.x.refrigxolani8365 The only way to retain power is to do your job well. You can’t make sure you don’t get voted out when you’re underperforming particularly when voters know we can vote you out. ANC lost voters & have been doing so in every metro In every province in the entire country, EFF isn’t growing. The notion that there’s some miracle they’ll perform to stay in power is laughable.
The sole reason I’ll never vote for the EFF is purely because of this nonsense of state custodianship of land. Even nationalising banks is a push but land rights are too important to leave in the hands of a political party.
That's your political problems deal with it.U have other political choices Mxm
You don't have a problem with their issue of foreigners and borders.
@@jonassavimbiunitaparty6876 I said that’s why my vote is going elsewhere so why are you crying about that?
@@ntsokolomemani3874 nah…I couldn’t care less. It doesn’t affect me at all. I’m not seeking waiter jobs, I don’t use drugs, I don’t buy from spaza shops, I don’t use public hospitals, I don’t stay in dangerous neighbourhoods. Their presence does nothing for me.
@KKOPPONG wish politicians were as honest as you.
Well spoken my brother 🤝
Why haven't they been educationing the masses, this talk is 5 years to late, another 5 years of uncertainty corruption and political in fighting, it's an absolute disaster. This man should be educating the political leaders.
Useless opposition. They have no real desire to govern.
DA will win next presidential level
I agree. Sad but true.
Seconded very true
Honestly doubt it. As a white many making this their last election people are getting their retrenchment forms and putting homes up for sale. DA gonna need a massive black following to add and replace the general white auppoeters.Maybe the 30million grant targets Cyril willcelebrate soon will help make othersvote DA next time.
Not really, I see the sobering effect of this loss on the ANC prevailing to a point of generating a serious re-think. These results may well be the catalyst for getting like minded (black) forces to find their way to a common goal without arrogance.
I think MK would have grown massively by 2029. MK is the 5 months political party yet managed to sneak close to 10%
Hats off to this guy. His dissection of the South African economy was impressive
Wow im impressed by this guy
The inexperience of the presenter is very clear, forgetting she's standing in front of the screen...🤷🏾♂️
Wow. I'm so impressed Velemseni. 👋👋
Love this man, had to play is twice
The ANC cannot go into coalition with the DA, they just signed into law NHI which the DA advocated against, again affirmative action which the DA is against, land expropriation which the DA is up against. How are they going to work together?
Lol Why do I feel like KZN will be wanting to secede from South Africa soon, like Western Cape? I think ppl are just gatvol of ANC, hence why these new parties keep getting support and some of these key provinces are moving away from ANC. Gauteng is definitely gone for ANC…
ANC has lost all 3 money provinces Gauteng, KZN & western Cape.::what a joke on them. I love seeing ANC humbled
🤡anc + mk...i want to cry, out of fear
So very true 😢
Won't happen
It won't happen. People in KZN highly dislike the ANC and it would be political suicide if they did that.
@@JeshuaOurGod IN JESUS NAME
DA has excellent track record
Where? In the white areas of the Western Cape. Let's be factual. How long have they been running Western Cape and why is it that the non-white areas are in dire straits ? One would have thought that because the white areas were already well developed post 94 (or whenever they took over) they would have prioritized development in non-white areas but ensured the white areas are maintained so they don't become dilapidated. Service has to show in areas where the majority stay not the minority
@@kebuengmvungama3998 have you listened to the video till the end? The guest answers this question @20:24
Perhaps list to that part might change your mind.
As for the areas in the Western Cape’s thats struggling Don’t know, but yes I agree with you more should have been done do make sure they are also uplifted
But also going from your Logic what about the ANC benign in power for over 30 years with a huge decline in all areas
@@kebuengmvungama3998 So let's be factual.
The poor areas of Cape Town are better serviced than any other Metro's poor areas.
Read StatSA Household Survey. Cape Town and the Western Cape come out top or close to the top in just about everything. You don't get those figures by only focusing on the rich.
Economic policy is controlled by the ANC. If you want to complain about inequality that is the direction that you need to be looking at.
Da is for white supremacy only
Excellent track record to serve the rich, campaigning to the rich. As long as they ignore the majority they will not grow as a party.
I am a South African working in finance in London, and the markets are saying that if it's a EFF/ANC coalition then the RAND will go to an all time low and investors will extract funds from SA, the economy will nose dive in SA, facts, not my opinion
Yeah because Europeans hold the economy hostage.
Love this analyst, this is type of person we need as president
EFF not performing well must be the allowing immigrants conversations
Give that Analyst a bells!!
Let the D.A RULE
DA is a puppet of USA we don't need that in South Africa
ANC has allowed ramaphosa big Norse to destroyed ANC 😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Do you guys thinks Anc is down because of Ramaphosa
You are not rational at all.
You are misinformed, he's the reason they still stand a chance and are still in the running
Lost in love Ram is the reason thy are still kicking
Very intelligent thank you so much boss
Most High Respect for this Analyst ...the local people should close and protect this guy..speaking direct from our mouths..the peoples mouths.. Thanks for your recognition best and worst case scenario and honest opinion for the world to hear what and how we think..BRILLIANT..🎉🎉❤❤❤
I wish any party can win except ANC we need new leader aah mxm
I totally agree with u ...we just need a new leader , then there is hope for change in SA
@@karabotolarence7706and will just keep changing if the new one fails nje
This guy makes a lot of sense. Why can leaders not see what he sees?
ANC, DA, IFP please do the right thing. The country needs stability and progress. The alternative is decline.
Can you please educate me about the majority provisions of the South African constitution:
Is it 51% or 50% plus 1 vote.... THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT. At the moment you seem to be confusing the two. In one case 50.01% is a majority whereas in the other case 50.9 would be inadequate... 😮.
MK is ANC 😢 we are toast
Zuma cannot stand Rama-Phala
@@JeshuaOurGod that doesn't explain why he is still a member of the ANC or the fact that he said he is doing this to "save the ANC" if you have an explanation for that then I would believe you
@@demongs7481What if this was the ANC's plan B knowing they would lose support.
This guy is a encyclopaedia of sa politics, am done for the day 🚀🇿🇦
No one should form coalition with the ANC. Let the DA, MK, EFF & PA must join forces. Let the ANC sit in opposition benches. We are tired of them.
I think ramaphosa copied wrong Zimbabwe politics style look now its backfire to him destroying the party
Its Pathetic that DA doesnt agree to minimum wage
Minimum wage really and pensioners get R2000. Minimum wage is the reason for unemployment
@@veronicakarstel9126 dont make me laugh at you... Do you know the purpose of minimum wage ? Amongst all countries that have a minimum wage, which country is suffering from unemployment due to minimum wage ?
The more a person earns , the more they spend, more money circulation, everyone will benefit, of course to some extent companies will hire less people...
Unemployment is driven by lack of FDI, company closures, etc dont count minimum wage ,
Security is a big threat in south africa, that has also caused indirect unemployment , by far it affects SAns than minimum wage.... How many companies ,branches, shops, small businesses were closed because of robberies ? , how many more are closed because they have to pay a security fee / protection fee ? Do you know security is a billion dollar industry in SA ? Find out how much companies spend on security alone, not even companies but home owners
Minimum wage is very minimal my brother lets think Big ,lets focus on creating jobs & maximum wages
@@TownshipRentalEstate-jq8cu a minimum wage is a big thing worldwide if we are talking about economy ,labour etc ....maximum wage is unrealistic , look into the meaning of minimum wage,its functions etc
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 Brilliant analysis Veli❤
My brother we need you 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
DA should go with MK
WC and KZN have a lot of similarities so I can actually see this happening. Let's also understand that the Zulu vote is very big and they have already planted the seed with Pampas in KZN. But MK has already said that they will only partner with pro black parties which they can do since they have the numbers. Next election, they could actually take the presidency.