I don't know how often you profile the Pistons, my favorite team, but you have GREAT content bro! I appreciate your research. You are very thorough. Troy Weaver didn't do ANY of this during his tenure. Asset management was his undoing, but drafting Killian Hayes over Tyrese Haliburton didn't help. One transaction you may have missed is Cade's extension. They will probably do that this off season.
Thank you! I really appreciate all that. I'm definitely more optimistic about the Pistons going forward, though obviously, time will tell if things are truly changing for the better. I didn't touch on Cade just because I wanted to keep the focus on their cap space plans. I could do a follow-up video on them depending on how their offseason shakes out which would include analyzing his likely max extension.
The Pistons are also my favorite team. Troy Weaver did leave the team in a better place with the cap space. Drafting Hayes over Halliburton was a bad move; but I heard that Weaver did not have a lot autonomy to pick whom he wanted who supposedly was Halliburton. Great content; there are not too many channels like yours on You Tube.
I could believe that. Lots of reporting suggests that hiring Monty Williams was not Troy Weaver's decision, so I'm sure there are several decisions over the years that weren't up to him. But I think he did a good job drafting the core overall and keeping their cap sheet clean over the years. And thank you! I appreciate the feedback.
I don’t think Miles Bridges fits their plans or timeline. Duncan Robinson would be a nice addition if they get a first from Miami for taking him, but he’s played well enough recently for the Heat to keep him.
It sounds like Sam Cassell and OG are staying put with their respective teams. I would love Naji Marshall for them, I'd make an aggressive offer for him if I'm the Pistons, or any team with cap space.
Tom Gores, sell the team. You just hired Stan VanGundy in a rented Grant Hill costume. You NEED shooters so you just drafted a non-shooter. Ain't nobody GAF about no MFin" Fed Vinson. Do the right thing. Sell the team.
More of the same The pistons are garbage men for unwanted contracts deandre Jordan , Joe Harris , Trevor ariza. Freaking why do you think Dwayne Desmond is still on their payroll. The only good one was kemba walker that got us duren. The problem is all we ever get is 2nd rd picks for these kind of deals.
Signing Jerami Grant and then parlaying him into the selection that became Jalen Duren was extremely savvy. They deserve a lot of credit for that considering the initial signing of Grant was polarizing. You make very valid points about taking bad contracts with seconds, but there seems to be some reporting that they’ve passed on first round compensation at various points. The most confounding one is not capitalizing on Bojan Bogdanovic, they supposedly could’ve gotten a first for him, maybe two. Makes me feel like they’ve passed on more opportunities in the past to get premium draft equity through salary dumps over the years.
@@YossiGozlanNBA did you see the hardaway trade more 2nd round pics yeh. And we gave up grimes the only good asset from the bojan deal. Like i said I wish I could trust ownership to make good trade but this is what we alway do get 2nd picks.
GD???! give Langdon a chance to clean up this mess, and he will. he attended DUKE, learned under the BEST COACH in NCAA History, and KNOWS talent. (P.s. what ORGANIZATION did he come from???) nuff' said, son.
@@davidmcpherson1347 Reggie Jackson just got traded with 3 seconds in a salary dump by den and Charolette didn’t have to give up any young players we got hustled again.
I think the CJ McCollum trade is good but adding Tim Hardway Jr, and Lonzo is duplication. It doesn't make good basketball since. Hardaway is primarily a shooting guard whose numbers are down across the board and doesn't play good defense anymore. I don't believe Detroit would do both and trade away Grimes. Lonzo Ball is coming off a horrid injury that saw him miss 2 years. That's a hard no. That's an objectively bad trade for a team that needs 3 and D wings and trades one away for a older broken down version and signing another. This is the worst offseason plan I've heard. Like the picks but the plan doesn't even help solve their major issue which is development. They need vets who can contribute. Detroit is not trying to tank. They are trying to build around the young core. How does adding 3 guards to a team with 3 guards already help. I get it you don't know enough Pistons and what their plans are so I don't fault you for using them as a dumping ground for bad contracts for picks but that isn't their goal. D - on these moves and that's only because of the picks.
Fair enough, I agree the veterans I brought in are very imperfect, but it was all about the picks. Trajan Langdon said himself that they want to use their cap space to acquire unwanted contracts with draft picks and assets. Getting picks and players on expiring contracts who could also help don't always go hand-in-hand.
@@YossiGozlanNBA He'd didn't just say he would only try to add assets he also said that he wanted vets that would help the development of the your core. How does any of those guys help the young core develope and help move the team forward?
While YOU and other naysayers are reacting pessimistic, it's actually a bit premature. give Langdon a CHANCE, GD???! He is a DUKE alum, and WHAT Organization did he come from???! nuff" said, son. Chill and let it all play out -
@@davidmcpherson1347 Stop overreacting. Sheesh. Young people don't know to how have disagreement. I didn't say didn't believe in Langdon. Where in that statement did I say I don't believe in Langdon? Bro do you need a hug or something.
As a pelicans fan im okay moving on from CJ but I wouldnt trade the 21st pick to do so... Stewart is basically Larry Nance nothing special... Pels could trade 21 for Capela and have a better player then Stewart.
I get it, but I think the Pelicans probably need to trade a first to get off CJ’s contract. At least they get a good rotation player as well in Stewart. The good thing about this trade is that they save so much money that they could fit Capela afterward. I don’t think he will cost a first, the Hawks might end up having to give him away because they desperately need to save money. Maybe something like Nance and some seconds afterward works, so now you have Capela and Stewart as your big men.
@@davidmcpherson1347 they are both backup bigs Beef stew little better it's not that big of a difference... Changing Nance to Beef Stew isn't a needle moving move.
Great video and excellent breakdown of the team's cap-space and options. I think this would be a step in the right direction, and every trade you mentioned (while not my favorite) makes a lot of sense from a logistics standpoint. Hard to find basketball content like this nowadays!
Lonzo and THJ are also on expiring contracts which will make them interesting contracts as it will open up more cap space next season or if they want to trade away THJ to for some more assets.
@@YossiGozlanNBA Even accounting for a 10% increase in the cap, spending $38 million on Cade's extension will leave them with very little cap space in 2025.
You've built a team that will likely be the worst in the league again, has parlayed most of its flexibility into unimpressive future assets, and will continue to depend almost exclusively upon internal development. The starting lineup won't be able to play defense, there isn't a single power forward on the entire roster, it's absolutely clogged in the backcourt (to the tune of six guards), they'll have two centers who both struggle defensively, they'll have traded away Grimes (for no good reason, given that THJ won't be in the team's long-term plans whereas Grimes very well could be) for a considerably worse defender in THJ who's much older, they'll have little cap space next offseason given that Cade's extension will eat up pretty much all of it, and, all told, the reward for handcuffing themselves to this roster for several years will be pick #11 in a weak draft and a 2025 Dallas 1st that could easily be within a few picks of the 2nd round. I don't see it. This looks like the Pistons just being used as a dumping ground in a way that benefits them not at all unless one of those picks blows its projection out of the water.
Obviously this exact plan won’t happen and it’s not perfect. I’m just trying to illustrate how they could very well end up using their cap space as opposed to traditional free agent signings. And FWIW, the Pistons and Mavs have discussed swapping THJ and picks for Grimes, per Marc Stein.
Yada, Yada, Yada. Pistons have $$$$ Salary cap money, and can and WILL address their biggest need; SHOOTER(S). take a chill pill, have a nice drink, and watch Landon WORK. (P.s. his PEDIGREE speaks for itself, and WHAT Organization did he come from???!
Thank you! I’m sure they’ll know early on if he’ll be good to go. Doesn’t hurt to keep him on the roster, but could be headed toward a buyout by February if he’s not ready.
Thank you! And good call on the Lonzo-Trajan previous relationship, I hadn't even considered that. Acquiring Lonzo has been the move I've gotten the most pushback on for obvious reasons.
@@YossiGozlanNBAI don't see why. Lonzo probably needs to finish his career on a minutes restriction and he would be a good back up for Cunningham. They're kinda similar players.
That’s interesting. It’s good value for Denver but I think they have to keep MPJ because they desperately need his shooting. Also it might be too much stuff from Detroit, there’s still a ton of untapped potential from Ivey.
For me any TH-camr who says Isiah Stewart is a Center immediately loses all credibility. Best possible way to tell everyone that you don't know what you're talking about.
@@YossiGozlanNBA he is not naturally a 5. He consistently guards 4s even back in his rookie year. Whenever he does try to guard actual centers he gets out rebounded near 2 to 1 because he's only 6'8 and can't jump high enough to make up the lack of height. He's not a center.
I don't know how often you profile the Pistons, my favorite team, but you have GREAT content bro! I appreciate your research. You are very thorough. Troy Weaver didn't do ANY of this during his tenure. Asset management was his undoing, but drafting Killian Hayes over Tyrese Haliburton didn't help. One transaction you may have missed is Cade's extension. They will probably do that this off season.
Thank you! I really appreciate all that. I'm definitely more optimistic about the Pistons going forward, though obviously, time will tell if things are truly changing for the better. I didn't touch on Cade just because I wanted to keep the focus on their cap space plans. I could do a follow-up video on them depending on how their offseason shakes out which would include analyzing his likely max extension.
The Pistons are also my favorite team. Troy Weaver did leave the team in a better place with the cap space. Drafting Hayes over Halliburton was a bad move; but I heard that Weaver did not have a lot autonomy to pick whom he wanted who supposedly was Halliburton. Great content; there are not too many channels like yours on You Tube.
Yeah that was a tellum pick
I could believe that. Lots of reporting suggests that hiring Monty Williams was not Troy Weaver's decision, so I'm sure there are several decisions over the years that weren't up to him. But I think he did a good job drafting the core overall and keeping their cap sheet clean over the years.
And thank you! I appreciate the feedback.
What do you know!!!
Troy wanted Killian scouted him since he was 16 he also passed maxey twice that draft also
Thats not true! Troy wanted Killian. Was scouting him since 16… I’ve heard that coach Casey did not wanted Killian
What do you think about Miles Bridges, Duncan Robinson and Emoni Bates?
I don’t think Miles Bridges fits their plans or timeline. Duncan Robinson would be a nice addition if they get a first from Miami for taking him, but he’s played well enough recently for the Heat to keep him.
Sure they are
Get Sam Cassell resign fronttechio and grimes get og anunoby (4 years 140)jonas v and naji Marshall
It sounds like Sam Cassell and OG are staying put with their respective teams. I would love Naji Marshall for them, I'd make an aggressive offer for him if I'm the Pistons, or any team with cap space.
@@YossiGozlanNBA Sam Cassell wants to be head coach and Knicks not giving og the money he wants
No to cj no more guards rather have stew defenses
In terms of team building, yes I agree CJ isn't an ideal addition. It's all about getting draft compensation with him.
@@YossiGozlanNBA not worth stopping young guards development
Tom Gores, sell the team. You just hired Stan VanGundy in a rented Grant Hill costume.
You NEED shooters so you just drafted a non-shooter.
Ain't nobody GAF about no MFin" Fed Vinson.
Do the right thing. Sell the team.
Hater, do the RIGHT thing; move to MILWAUKEE, and do NOT watch any PISTON games. 😉
I'll help everybody out here... The Pistons suck,, they have sucked,, and they will continue to suck... The end
We will see, I'm actually pretty optimistic that things could improve a bit.
YOU too!!! 😂
More of the same The pistons are garbage men for unwanted contracts deandre Jordan , Joe Harris , Trevor ariza. Freaking why do you think Dwayne Desmond is still on their payroll. The only good one was kemba walker that got us duren. The problem is all we ever get is 2nd rd picks for these kind of deals.
Signing Jerami Grant and then parlaying him into the selection that became Jalen Duren was extremely savvy. They deserve a lot of credit for that considering the initial signing of Grant was polarizing.
You make very valid points about taking bad contracts with seconds, but there seems to be some reporting that they’ve passed on first round compensation at various points. The most confounding one is not capitalizing on Bojan Bogdanovic, they supposedly could’ve gotten a first for him, maybe two. Makes me feel like they’ve passed on more opportunities in the past to get premium draft equity through salary dumps over the years.
@@YossiGozlanNBA did you see the hardaway trade more 2nd round pics yeh. And we gave up grimes the only good asset from the bojan deal. Like i said I wish I could trust ownership to make good trade but this is what we alway do get 2nd picks.
GD???! give Langdon a chance to clean up this mess, and he will. he attended DUKE, learned under the BEST COACH in NCAA History, and KNOWS talent. (P.s. what ORGANIZATION did he come from???) nuff' said, son.
@@davidmcpherson1347 Reggie Jackson just got traded with 3 seconds in a salary dump by den and Charolette didn’t have to give up any young players we got hustled again.
I think the CJ McCollum trade is good but adding Tim Hardway Jr, and Lonzo is duplication. It doesn't make good basketball since. Hardaway is primarily a shooting guard whose numbers are down across the board and doesn't play good defense anymore. I don't believe Detroit would do both and trade away Grimes. Lonzo Ball is coming off a horrid injury that saw him miss 2 years. That's a hard no. That's an objectively bad trade for a team that needs 3 and D wings and trades one away for a older broken down version and signing another. This is the worst offseason plan I've heard. Like the picks but the plan doesn't even help solve their major issue which is development. They need vets who can contribute. Detroit is not trying to tank. They are trying to build around the young core. How does adding 3 guards to a team with 3 guards already help. I get it you don't know enough Pistons and what their plans are so I don't fault you for using them as a dumping ground for bad contracts for picks but that isn't their goal. D - on these moves and that's only because of the picks.
Fair enough, I agree the veterans I brought in are very imperfect, but it was all about the picks. Trajan Langdon said himself that they want to use their cap space to acquire unwanted contracts with draft picks and assets. Getting picks and players on expiring contracts who could also help don't always go hand-in-hand.
@@YossiGozlanNBA He'd didn't just say he would only try to add assets he also said that he wanted vets that would help the development of the your core. How does any of those guys help the young core develope and help move the team forward?
While YOU and other naysayers are reacting pessimistic, it's actually a bit premature. give Langdon a CHANCE, GD???! He is a DUKE alum, and WHAT Organization did he come from???! nuff" said, son. Chill and let it all play out -
@@davidmcpherson1347 Stop overreacting. Sheesh. Young people don't know to how have disagreement. I didn't say didn't believe in Langdon. Where in that statement did I say I don't believe in Langdon? Bro do you need a hug or something.
As a pelicans fan im okay moving on from CJ but I wouldnt trade the 21st pick to do so... Stewart is basically Larry Nance nothing special... Pels could trade 21 for Capela and have a better player then Stewart.
I get it, but I think the Pelicans probably need to trade a first to get off CJ’s contract. At least they get a good rotation player as well in Stewart.
The good thing about this trade is that they save so much money that they could fit Capela afterward. I don’t think he will cost a first, the Hawks might end up having to give him away because they desperately need to save money. Maybe something like Nance and some seconds afterward works, so now you have Capela and Stewart as your big men.
I'm a loyal piston fan, and Stewart is NOT LARRY NANCE, Bro. (STOP basing, ok???!😂)
@@davidmcpherson1347 they are both backup bigs Beef stew little better it's not that big of a difference... Changing Nance to Beef Stew isn't a needle moving move.
Dude. This is horrible. You call yourself an expert?
Shut up lame
Great video and excellent breakdown of the team's cap-space and options. I think this would be a step in the right direction, and every trade you mentioned (while not my favorite) makes a lot of sense from a logistics standpoint. Hard to find basketball content like this nowadays!
Thanks! I appreciate the feedback. I'm passionate about the cap and surprised there isn't much analysis like this on TH-cam.
Lonzo and THJ are also on expiring contracts which will make them interesting contracts as it will open up more cap space next season or if they want to trade away THJ to for some more assets.
Exactly. Even though CJs salary and a Cade extension would take up a bunch of salary next season, they’d still have significant 2025 cap space.
@@YossiGozlanNBA Even accounting for a 10% increase in the cap, spending $38 million on Cade's extension will leave them with very little cap space in 2025.
Great video!
Thanks!
Great work bruh. But fire your barber homie. He messed up your line. Soooo crooked! Go to a black barber or something. They’ll hook you up.
Thanks! And I'm never leaving my barber, I've been with him for 10 years.
You've built a team that will likely be the worst in the league again, has parlayed most of its flexibility into unimpressive future assets, and will continue to depend almost exclusively upon internal development. The starting lineup won't be able to play defense, there isn't a single power forward on the entire roster, it's absolutely clogged in the backcourt (to the tune of six guards), they'll have two centers who both struggle defensively, they'll have traded away Grimes (for no good reason, given that THJ won't be in the team's long-term plans whereas Grimes very well could be) for a considerably worse defender in THJ who's much older, they'll have little cap space next offseason given that Cade's extension will eat up pretty much all of it, and, all told, the reward for handcuffing themselves to this roster for several years will be pick #11 in a weak draft and a 2025 Dallas 1st that could easily be within a few picks of the 2nd round.
I don't see it. This looks like the Pistons just being used as a dumping ground in a way that benefits them not at all unless one of those picks blows its projection out of the water.
Obviously this exact plan won’t happen and it’s not perfect. I’m just trying to illustrate how they could very well end up using their cap space as opposed to traditional free agent signings.
And FWIW, the Pistons and Mavs have discussed swapping THJ and picks for Grimes, per Marc Stein.
Yada, Yada, Yada. Pistons have $$$$ Salary cap money, and can and WILL address their biggest need; SHOOTER(S). take a chill pill, have a nice drink, and watch Landon WORK. (P.s. his PEDIGREE speaks for itself, and WHAT Organization did he come from???!
Excellent work with this presentation. The only thing I say is if the Pistons acquire ball, they may want to see if he can play.
Thank you! I’m sure they’ll know early on if he’ll be good to go. Doesn’t hurt to keep him on the roster, but could be headed toward a buyout by February if he’s not ready.
Offer OG the max....muck NY
I could see Philly considering a short max contract for OG but not Detroit.
Great Breakdown! I love it! CJ and Lonzo make a lot of sense with the Trajan relationship.
Oh yeah, and Jonas.
Thank you! And good call on the Lonzo-Trajan previous relationship, I hadn't even considered that. Acquiring Lonzo has been the move I've gotten the most pushback on for obvious reasons.
@@YossiGozlanNBAI don't see why. Lonzo probably needs to finish his career on a minutes restriction and he would be a good back up for Cunningham. They're kinda similar players.
Great to find you. New subscriber.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
Great content 👍👍
Thank you!
What about Trading Ivey ,Stewart, Grimes for Micheal Porter Jr ?
That’s interesting. It’s good value for Denver but I think they have to keep MPJ because they desperately need his shooting. Also it might be too much stuff from Detroit, there’s still a ton of untapped potential from Ivey.
For me any TH-camr who says Isiah Stewart is a Center immediately loses all credibility. Best possible way to tell everyone that you don't know what you're talking about.
He can play both the 4 and 5, but I think he's most naturally a 5.
@@YossiGozlanNBA he is not naturally a 5. He consistently guards 4s even back in his rookie year. Whenever he does try to guard actual centers he gets out rebounded near 2 to 1 because he's only 6'8 and can't jump high enough to make up the lack of height. He's not a center.
@@Loganody Magic Johnson played Center once too. He must've been a center by that logic.
@@Loganody no. You can read right? I shouldn't need to explain what I said, it was pretty simple. Let me know if youre having trouble though.