I’m sorry I can’t get over the fact that every commentary channel sounds the exact fucking same like the cadence and the voice I can’t tell if I’m going nutty or
The racism in these comments specifically because Tyler the creator is African American is crazy! He’s been around for years and has done sm for the music industry
If he’s talking about lil mabu I get it tho. He’s a white rich kid who talks about the street life and mocks the style of music that dudes really die in the streets for. but Ian is no different from guys like OsamaSon and Destroy Lonely they just trying to make bangers talking about women and money.
Not fax. Why don’t Ian just rap about his regular life . Cuz it’s not appealing to the ppl he trying to steal from aka black rappers aka rap he don’t give two shits about it and yachty writes his shit
@@neverleft7494 fym steal the fans. It’s not stealing fans everyone can listen to whatever they want it’s music. I can listen to all types of black ppl white ppl and Hispanic ppl music
Also have u gone to any young black artist show recently A LOT OF THE FANS are white. Recently went to see Ken Carson and a lot of white ppl. They get influenced
If kanye samples Mozart first of all he’s creating something new. Instead of just taking something already there. Also ocherstra music or whatever you call it isn’t solely one culture. There were literally black composers back then. They been saying Beethoven part black lmao. So I don’t get your point ? Why wouldn’t Kanye be able to sample it. But I agree with the annoying unserious white rapper thing. I say just ignore them. If you like fine. Cause he’s not gonna be rapping in a few years anyways lmao. He’s either falling off or switching genres
real artistry takes time, thats why its easy to see thru these 'new underground artists' with instant sony connections, but tyler and ian came in with columbia anyway
@@Aguwust lol none of those artist you named blew up family what are YOU talking about? I agree it sucks seeing industry plants make it big just for a major label to make money, but this kid is doing way more numbers than all of those people you named
Im so scared to make music as a white person. I enjoy rap, and i know it's not part of my culture. Im scared of receiving the same hate ian does, even though i have actual talent.
Yeah... uh huh... ARE YOU TELLING ME THATS NOT MIMICKING LIL BABY OR CARTI. He says it like he's got some balls in his mouth that's all carti influence
Exactly. People will do anything to try to discredit someone they don't like, even if it means coming up with some corny petty BS. also I never really got why people use that term, nobody I've seen using it even knows what it means. And if someone is really an industry plant, why tf would I care if I enjoy the music?
I legit watched and listened the entire interview Tyler had speaking in this subject. I really don’t think he’s talking about Ian. If Ian is copying or “making fun of” any ones sound, it’s definitely Yeat. Tyler has always shown love to people even when he doesn’t agree or understand their music. Example being Tyler’s take on Eminems “Recovery” album. I think the internet has turned his words into something else, and it’s kinda funny because, Tyler literally said people were going to take his words out of context, clip certain things, and put out narratives that don’t actually apply to what he was trying to say about the state of hip hop.
Tyler the creator started off his career with ironic shock value rap which mocked hip hop at the time, he didn’t take it serious until he blew up. It’s quite hypocritical for him to criticise Ian for doing the same just cause he’s older now.
He wasn’t mocking hip hop as a whole tho? He was mocking dumb gimmick rap shit which I see how it’s hypocritical but he took his hip hop music seriously and so did everyone else in Odd Future where’s Ian is just making like meme rap and there’s clearly no musicality passion to Ian like there is for Tyler and that was his point you feel me? Ian’s just a polished better published slim Jesus where’s Tyler was just being satirical about typical “rap shit”
As someone who listens to music parallel to religiously I feel like anyone can make music about anything. Sure the delivery is similar to other rappers from Ian but its nowhere near the complete robbery some bigger artists has done like steal instrumentals and going bar for bar with other songs. I personally like Ian's music but I'm no more bias towards him then i am other artist. He has songs that are good that fit a demographic which just isn't considered new territory. If you like a type of music of course your going to try to replicate it if you chose to go down that path
You have to understand that Hip-Hop and Rap were created as the cultural and creative expression of impoverished minorities. Which is where the outrage lies with Ian.
@@mrshs4332 I’m very aware but it’s not those times anymore, we’re in a day and age where that isn’t as prevalent now, also I feel like he doesn’t really sound like future and all these other rappers he’s being compared to, if anything it would make more sense to say he’s making fun of underground, the music sounds more similar when compared to people like summrs and all those artist as opposed to these mainstream rappers with very noticeable styles and melodies
When you listen to a lot of music or create it yourself you notice the shift. Hip Hop will never die. But it’s got about a year left in the mainstream & I doubt anybody hip hop wise really getting signed anymore. You gotta be the top 1% of rappers now.
The use of the word blackballing is malappropriate. Fix it Ps I've never heard an Ian song actually but I love hip hop and hearing about how copy cat rap is dying and how the top guys are pushing the new guys to be creative.
I don't remember any artists expressing hate for Post, you may not like his music but you can't deny he's talented... Ian sounds like someone typed Future into an AI
Am I the only person that doesn’t support what Tyler is saying? I like Tyler the creator, but it just sounds allot like the bullshit people said about Eminem when he first started rapping. Sounds like gatekeeping, mixed with a hint of spite. If you don’t like something that is fine. Don’t listen to it, but don’t tell everyone else that they should do the same. Not everyone has the same opinions. I don’t think Ian is great or anything. I like Magic Johnson, I think it’s a fun song. It’s not the greatest, but I think it’s weird for a big rapper to call out an everyday run of the mill artist like that. After looking into this over and over and over again. It’s really just Tyler thinking he cooked with something he said, he didn’t. I’m not sorry.
Ian's and Eminem come up was very different, at least with him you can actually see he was trying to do something different while respecting the culture. It's 2024, people are not gatekeepy with rap as they were before, people's see ian as a clear industry plant, that's it. Also stop using the "iF yOu dOnT LiKe iT JuSt dOnT LiStEn iT" argument. Music is art and it should be criticized.
It’s rich coming from Tyler given since the the rap industry didn’t really see him as “black enough” give he is the opposite of what’s considered “black”.
bro honestly, i don't understand why people read so deep into this, and its especially always from african americans. like someone making music in a genre that was made by black people shouldn't be an issue if you dont like it don't listen to it, like its that simple.
See I notice people bringing up Jack Harlow during this whole topic, but I would argue that he has respect for the genre as when he did start making music it wasn't suppose to be memed on, also his music is obviously for a certain group of people being ofc Jack Harlow fans and women in the same way to how Central Cee's music differs from UK Drill rappers.
Truth is Tyler is just angry at the fact that Ian happens to be a regular white kid & yet his getting all this attention,is this idea in the black community that every white/others person who happens to make black music is just doing so to mock the art and to exploit its culture for profit Ian never had a chance they were gonna say he was mocking black culture that he was disrespectful just because he’s white.
The amount of weirdos in the comments calling Tyler the weird one in this situation when he is mostly right that Ian is an industry plant who dies not really care about the music at hand. Sure give Ian the benefit of doubt that maybe he does care about rap, but if you listen to his music everyone is saying the same thing "He sounds like...". That does not sound like someone who is original and is trying to make his own wave in the rap industry. His SOLE marketing is all about how white he is. Eminem nor Mac Miller did that and they made waves in the rap scene. Not even Macklemore started his career off that.
I personally dont like Ian’s music but im having a hard time understanding what about him is mocking Hip Hop? Seems like bro’s just poking fun at the fact that he’s white and trying to be a rapper since a lot of the time rappers who happen to have a white complexion tend to be called Culture Vultures if they take a liking to making Hip Hop music. Love tyler tho, thats my dawg
ppl dont know what a industry plant is when has ian ever put out a image tht he is a independent artist ? and also he has been makign songs those just prolly got recegenition after he had a label to push it more we not gone act like tht was his first song hes been making music for a min
you can say you dont like his music but saying hes "stealing" the culture is crazy bcs noone has this same response when a black person makes lies in their raps its just so one sided noone said this about lil tecca when he was coming up
The term "industry plant" has gotten out of hand idk why people care sooo much if they were coming in and making sht music i would understand the hatred but ian makes good music and you do know that when grand slam dropped it wasnt even under a label he probably signed due to the success of the song "figure it out" and even if u dig u can find that he been making songs for a while he didnt just pop out of no where he deleted most of his old songs and if any1 has the right it shouldnt be the same person who came up off of rapping about cheese pizza(cp) and etc gross things and is praised for it
Obviously he just has a problem with him being white. There is many rappers that blew up being disrespectful and thoughtless mocking the art of rap that do not get called out or even looked at bc they aren't white. Not that Ian is "not taking it serious enough". There is so many trying rap like future with future like beats but it's not a mockery unless the person is white. More proof is when he talks about ian's music, he can only use vague insults like "weird" which doesn't make sense bc like I said, they're are plenty of rappers also "mocking" future and getting attention but bc they aren't white it doesn't matter. He opened up with "this Caucasian" like nobody makes anything that sounds like gucci and future as if their sound and beats isn't mainly the entire trap genre
You have to understand that Hip-Hop and Rap were created as the cultural and creative expression of impoverished minorities. Which is where the outrage lies with Ian.
@@conartis I don't think you understand how plants work these days. Some random soundcloud rapper starts to make music a label or manager with connections spots them with low numbers sees dollar signs and makes that person blow. That's how plants have worked for the past 10 years. It's doesn't mean they put in no work of their own, it's just that their growth is not organic it's label manufactured. Ian wouldn't have much organic growth beyond what he already got, because the music isn't strong enough. You literally said he'd only made music for 2 years before getting backing that's literally nothing lol!!! So 3 years in he gets the label/manager backing and blows. There are better artists out there really in the trenches making better music who won't ever blow like this guy, 'cause they'll never get the same push. He's where he is 'cause some label/manager realised they could use him sounding black to make money
I don’t really like Ian but Tylers comments pissed me off so bad he got me defending Ian. Tyler swears he makes music for philosophers like he wasn’t a bigger weirdo than Ian when he came up. His old ass need to stay out of the new wave and stop dressing like 18 year olds 😭😭
@@forest5306you’re very wrong…it’s not about him being weird did you not hear anything he said? Edit: I’ve never seen an 18 year old dress like him lmao what?
@@blackshyguy2160 he’s complaining about him “mocking” rappers when he they’re just trying to say that he’s trash and white lol. Yall treating Ian like he Osama bin Laden when this mf is just a teenager rapping like everyone else. You don’t have to like Ian music to know that. If you wanna assume he’s a culture vulture then that’s a different thing but nothing he’s doing rn is wrong he just makes music like every underground trash ass rapper.
Going straight to the "old head" shit is just unoriginal, Ian is a plant and the only reason tyler fans are attacking him is because ian dissed tyler in a song and also people are saying ian is better than tyler. Ian is so far behind the level rappers like Tyler are on that its crazy. No rapper is for philosophers and and neither him or his fans claimed that. And also the argument isnt about Ian coming upand being different, its litterally the opposite. Yes tyler was weird when coming up in the rap game, he was different. Ian is the opposite of that, you must not of heard the entire video, hes litterally arguing that Ian is just unoriginal and a copy cat. Tyler was somethingnew when he came up and Ian isnt. :NOBODY SAID IAN WAS A WEIRDO: and also just because tyler is in his 30s doesnt make him "old" or automatically make his opinion unvalid. Ian is not "the new wave" he's a gimmick rapper and a copy cat, white or not.
i don’t get it . wouldn’t every rapper that sounds alike be “mimicking” each other, that’s the logic they’re using with ian after all no? “He sounds like future” “he’s mimicking carti and lil baby” howww😂 just cus they sound alike like every other rapper don’t mean shi
It’s definitely not thriving, hip hop has been declining steadily for a while now that’s not really a hot take 😭 most of not all good music being put out is by artists from the 2010s. Any new underground artists that are good aren’t getting pushed to the forefront where they need to be because creativity is being lost to the playlist era . So yeah rap is declining, not dead but it says something when a white rapper who makes mid music gets signed by drake when hundreds of other artists get left in the dust of the underground
@@per4lesi542 I hate to break it to you but it’s been this way forever. Why did a Lil Xan or a Vanilla Ice blow up and not a Corbin or a Lil Ugly Mane? Because they made mainstream appealing music that fit the current zeitgeist of rap and they were marketable af. And are they to blame 100%? I think that we as listeners should know better and not overhyped some mid ass artists just to be part of a fan group. Hip hop is not declining - it’s probably just your interest declining or your taste that’s evolving and that’s a good thing. But to prove my point, we had so many great albums come out this year (Future 2x, Schoolboy Q, Childish Gambino, Yeat, Lucki, Concrete Boys, Bladee, Chief Keef, Denzel Curry). But also the underground has been cooking (Evilgiane producer tape, 1oneam, tana, smokedope2016, Hardrock, Glokk40, che, MIKE, RXKNephew, Redda etc), so is hip hop really declining or are some people just not interested enough in the culture?
Everyone understands that hip hop and rap come from black culture, but people wanting to keep it only for black people is part of the problem. Culture is meant to be shared and compared and learned from… keeping it segregated is a huge step in the wrong direction
Not trying to hear let a Mexican artist go try and imitate Japanese culture he's going to get treated the same way if not worse and its always black people"got to share culture" when were gatekeeping from the vultures trying to feed off our art because were the blueprint for everything in this country.
Nah people wanna keep calling these guys industry plants acting like someone else should get the blame. If someone’s popular the people/listeners are making it that way. Don’t like it don’t listen to it, and how is a guy who’s been on record saying he don’t give af about music and came out trolling for years before he flipped the script and wanted to be some artists artist type talking about another guys come up.
Tyler never claimed he didn't care about music, even listening to his old stuff, you can see his love for chords and things outside and inside of rap music in his edgy stuff. At the end of the day, the dude was a teenager who wanted be rebilous and edgy,(like every edgy kid in 2011 with a Tumblr account). The people who say he never respect music don't actually know tyler or his history, they did minimal research. Like you.
a convo that needs to be had is how much “meme” rap did come from black artists, ian is criticized for it but he did in fact just copy that from other black rappers, which in line doesn’t make him that much different, he’s just white.
Yeah, one that didn’t grow up in any type of struggle and had it easy his whole life. What a “struggling” meme rapper who had to work his whole life and definitely didn’t have it easy.
@@milesgordy6389 I don’t think you understand. He’s a culture vulture doing this too. He doesn’t belong here. He more than likely didn’t have this same style 3 years before this and isn’t using this for the passion. He made 2 songs before signing, lock in.
@@MergeManny i’m just saying, i think it wouldn’t be as much of a problem if he wasnt mimicking people who themselves weren’t the most serious or best for the culture themselves, its like looking up to a role model who isn’t a good person
Why do ppl assume Ian doesn't love rap? Clearly Ian takes influence from some of the dopest rappers in the game, he just needs time to grow as an artist. Its pretty typical for rappers nowadays to blow up with another rappers sound, but then make something new from it.
This the problem with the world who gaf abt the genre and race let mfs make they money and make yours it’s literally just a compilation of vibrations music never been deep
@@odogtrilllzsaying that is literally sh*tting on the impoverished minorities who built the Hip-Hop movement. You need to pay better attention in school and grab a history book.
@@mrshs4332 let this sink in I DONT CARE abt no hip hop or what it took to make it music is music yall stressing yall self over nothing. Nobody can change my mind that music is deep
@@odogtrilllz and your statement is why there are still issues with race relations in America. You just admitted you don’t care about minorities and until you get doxxed or exposed for your backwards thinking you won’t care.
@@odogtrilllz if you don't care about the things that your consuming then fine, but sit down and shut up when people who actually cares about the art they consume unlike you.
So what is it is he tastelessly mocking, carti, future, lil baby or gucci main, cuz it can't be all of em cuz that would just be inspiration Typer used to be put down for being different in rap and now hes doing that to others and its WACK
You cant steal culture. No one owns culture as culture is just a conglomerate of every other older culture. "Black culture" is a combination of hundred of older cultures with diffrent skin colors, ideologys,and entire lives. The only way to kill a culture is to not spread it and that exactly whats happening. Culture is meant to be shaped by everyone. For example, a lot of English culture has roots in spain,france,england. Basically all of Europe. This doesnt mean white people own this culture because not just white people made it. People 400 years ago contributed to this culture and no one owns it
"Culture appropriation is taking or using something from another culture without giving proper recognition or respect to that culture" This is literally the text book definition of what Ian is doing, what you're talking about is influence but ian is clearly doing nothing with the influence other than just to make money off of it.
@subzu2733 no one can own culture so you can't steal it. It's dumb how people think just because there great grandpa is part of some culture makes it so they own there culture even if they know nothing Abt it.
Its honestly disturbing and racist how black wont except this white rapper because he “bitting flows” and doesn’t really care about music history in general. He doesn’t have to care about it. Idk why people think they have control other people and make them care about things that they clearly don’t care about. Like put yourselves in this guys shoes and give him the benefit of doubt, if u look at this way you’ll see he could just be having trying to have fun and make music and is also influenced by his favorite rapper.
He’s biting flows from people who made it out the mud, when he had it easy and knows nothing about the culture as a whole. It’s not JUST music, it was originally a movement.
@@MergeManny but at the end of the day u or i cannot control him and he can continue making music for fun. He doesn’t have to a give a singular f*ck about music and its history and thats just the reality. Its so annoying how random people just attack this guy for doing stuff they don’t agree with like f*ck off it ain’t even your business, if u don’t like him don’t say anything don’t try to make some kind of music nerd when he doesn’t even care.
@@eli_.gocrxzyHip-Hop and Rap belongs to minorities. Whether white people like it or not, or refuse to respect and understand history, this entire genre came from the struggles of impoverished minorities. Not “caring” or giving the genre its proper respect and reverence is simply not an option when you are an outsider in the genre. In a similar way that minorities have been excluded from predominantly and historically white spaces, minorities have carved out a cultural niche where we feel at home. That’s what the whole point is. If you are from the culture you should move correctly, but there are obvious cases in the modern age where some choose to chase the bag. That does set a bad precedent and damages the integrity of Rap as a genre. The most damage, however, comes from the culture vulture. People who have no ties to the culture, no reverence, no respect, and solely pursue accolades within the genre to party, bullshit, and further damage the integrity of a truly special and cultural touchstone for all minorities. So no. People calling this dude out should not just f**k off. Minorities don’t have many spaces where we feel at home and respected and valued. We have the right to call out BS and sus out individuals who are predatory to the genre that gives us a cultural foundation.
@@mysterious_559 maybe the rappers you listen to?? a shit ton of popular rappers female and male have at least SOME knowledge on rap or an idol in rap that they deeply feel inspired by and listen to rap outside of their own music.
Lil Mabu is lucky nobody cares about him
The difference is, mabu is a joke and says he is a joke. Ian is a joke and acts like he isnt
@@juggstarosobruh got a song called teach me how to drill lookin like temu tom holand
@@juggstarosothen why do people trash on him if he's a joke
@@mysterious_559 became his music suck?
@@mysterious_559you can still shit on a joke
“never heard a tyler the creator song this good “ na hip hop truly dead if ppl think ian better than tyler
Popeye coworkers not tryin to listen to abstract diddy love attention seeking music😭✌️
@@cggc5871💀💀
They both trash idk what all this drama bout, when ppl gonna talk bout good music
@@Topbandgetter tyler ain’t trash 💀
@@elik5832 he is bruh his voice trash he make music fo white kids it ain't good nobody bumping tyler 🤣
Bro, stop using the word black balling any time someone doesn't like another person
I was just about to say this
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Nah niggas is building a up narrative to get at ian for no reason 🤷♂️
Corniest title ever Thats On God
do NOT blackball this channel into not using the phrase "blackballing" (as that makes you a Black baller)
please stop using blackballing bro😭
Wtf I read blackmail 😂
FR
it’s click bait atp
Facts. But it's good for the algorithm
It’s for clicks lol
I’m sorry I can’t get over the fact that every commentary channel sounds the exact fucking same like the cadence and the voice I can’t tell if I’m going nutty or
He’s just British bro😂
@@DJ_Kartier your telling me every British person sounds the same
lmao
@@cebzRLye
they use fake voice overs
I hope I never hear the words "underground" and "Ian" in the same sentence ever again lmao. that was uncomforting
Fr Ian is not under ground, he has 7 mil monthly 😭
The racism in these comments specifically because Tyler the creator is African American is crazy! He’s been around for years and has done sm for the music industry
can’t lie they love to live in the past and act like victims
@@axerzzwhos they
@@lilmother4492 yt people
@@lilmother4492African American simple they act oppressed to not take accountability for how they act
@@axerzz
ian from dallas??? bro is definitely from St Louis😭
Ian is definitely a Dallas Caucasian
he went to one of my coaches highschools
Nah he’s definitely from Kansas 😂
he played Club Rugby for Clemson, his recruiting profile says he's Dallas native.
Nope he is deffo from St Kitts
Can't love Tyler enough for being the 1 ta say it respectfully
Ian is sundown town trap😭✌️
😂😂😂💀💀💀
Nah sundown towns aren't a joke two black truckers died mysteriously in those towns
tyler the creator is like one of the best artists alive so people saying that ian is better are so braindead
Fax
If he’s talking about lil mabu I get it tho. He’s a white rich kid who talks about the street life and mocks the style of music that dudes really die in the streets for. but Ian is no different from guys like OsamaSon and Destroy Lonely they just trying to make bangers talking about women and money.
Facts
Not fax. Why don’t Ian just rap about his regular life . Cuz it’s not appealing to the ppl he trying to steal from aka black rappers aka rap he don’t give two shits about it and yachty writes his shit
@@neverleft7494 fym steal the fans. It’s not stealing fans everyone can listen to whatever they want it’s music. I can listen to all types of black ppl white ppl and Hispanic ppl music
Also have u gone to any young black artist show recently A LOT OF THE FANS are white. Recently went to see Ken Carson and a lot of white ppl. They get influenced
If kanye samples Mozart first of all he’s creating something new. Instead of just taking something already there. Also ocherstra music or whatever you call it isn’t solely one culture. There were literally black composers back then. They been saying Beethoven part black lmao. So I don’t get your point ? Why wouldn’t Kanye be able to sample it. But I agree with the annoying unserious white rapper thing. I say just ignore them. If you like fine. Cause he’s not gonna be rapping in a few years anyways lmao. He’s either falling off or switching genres
real artistry takes time, thats why its easy to see thru these 'new underground artists' with instant sony connections, but tyler and ian came in with columbia anyway
What does that last phrase mean?
It’s hard to find a genuine rap artist nowadays. I can’t even remember the last time a rapper blew up before a major feature from a big artist
Yeat always got a different theme n sound for every album,but thats the main reason he doesnt even have a core fanbase, they switch up everytime
che, nett, yhap, osamason, joeyy, 1oneam, skaiwater, nokia angel, SD2016. Idk what you are talking about :o
@@Aguwustyou have to be chronically online to find artists like these. “Regular people” aren’t really gonna mess with them
@@Aguwust lol none of those artist you named blew up family what are YOU talking about? I agree it sucks seeing industry plants make it big just for a major label to make money, but this kid is doing way more numbers than all of those people you named
@@Aguwust You have a horrible taste in music aguwust.
I'm so glad you showed the whole scene from Atlanta
U love to continue using the word blackball in your titles while not knowing the meaning of the word at all
Im so scared to make music as a white person. I enjoy rap, and i know it's not part of my culture. Im scared of receiving the same hate ian does, even though i have actual talent.
Mf called Atlanta “Atlantic”😭
Mimicking carti n lil baby is nuts asf 😭😭yall gotta stop this Bs
Yeah... uh huh... ARE YOU TELLING ME THATS NOT MIMICKING LIL BABY OR CARTI. He says it like he's got some balls in his mouth that's all carti influence
these people are supposed to know abt music don't know what industry plant means, he literally has had a 4 year career he just blew up from a song
he signed to columbia records out of nowhere though, before he blew up. thats the problem. hes a definite industry plant
Exactly. People will do anything to try to discredit someone they don't like, even if it means coming up with some corny petty BS. also I never really got why people use that term, nobody I've seen using it even knows what it means. And if someone is really an industry plant, why tf would I care if I enjoy the music?
I legit watched and listened the entire interview Tyler had speaking in this subject. I really don’t think he’s talking about Ian. If Ian is copying or “making fun of” any ones sound, it’s definitely Yeat. Tyler has always shown love to people even when he doesn’t agree or understand their music. Example being Tyler’s take on Eminems “Recovery” album. I think the internet has turned his words into something else, and it’s kinda funny because, Tyler literally said people were going to take his words out of context, clip certain things, and put out narratives that don’t actually apply to what he was trying to say about the state of hip hop.
never been a worse time to be named ian
And also in 2022💀💀💀
This is my son's middle name 😂
@@TheTransgenderPastorhe Def cooked
Why are they saying he’s made two songs?? Bros been dropping since 2022
Tyler the creator started off his career with ironic shock value rap which mocked hip hop at the time, he didn’t take it serious until he blew up. It’s quite hypocritical for him to criticise Ian for doing the same just cause he’s older now.
He wasn’t mocking hip hop as a whole tho? He was mocking dumb gimmick rap shit which I see how it’s hypocritical but he took his hip hop music seriously and so did everyone else in Odd Future where’s Ian is just making like meme rap and there’s clearly no musicality passion to Ian like there is for Tyler and that was his point you feel me? Ian’s just a polished better published slim Jesus where’s Tyler was just being satirical about typical “rap shit”
No. This is a privileged white kid doing audio blackface, with NO authenticity or talent like Tyler did. THINK MORE
Tyler must've forgot who he was
As someone who listens to music parallel to religiously I feel like anyone can make music about anything. Sure the delivery is similar to other rappers from Ian but its nowhere near the complete robbery some bigger artists has done like steal instrumentals and going bar for bar with other songs. I personally like Ian's music but I'm no more bias towards him then i am other artist. He has songs that are good that fit a demographic which just isn't considered new territory. If you like a type of music of course your going to try to replicate it if you chose to go down that path
You have to understand that Hip-Hop and Rap were created as the cultural and creative expression of impoverished minorities. Which is where the outrage lies with Ian.
@@mrshs4332 I’m very aware but it’s not those times anymore, we’re in a day and age where that isn’t as prevalent now, also I feel like he doesn’t really sound like future and all these other rappers he’s being compared to, if anything it would make more sense to say he’s making fun of underground, the music sounds more similar when compared to people like summrs and all those artist as opposed to these mainstream rappers with very noticeable styles and melodies
why people mad he walked out like yachty? he was literally performing with yachty
he could just have a rich daddy that has ties in the music industry
With all the features like a month or two into his career absolutely!
When you listen to a lot of music or create it yourself you notice the shift. Hip Hop will never die. But it’s got about a year left in the mainstream & I doubt anybody hip hop wise really getting signed anymore. You gotta be the top 1% of rappers now.
Interesting, I been feeling the same. I think some new jacks bout to come through and create some original vibes from scratch that ain't hip-hop
One sided beef😊
Ian go dumb obviously influenced by chief keef but Ian flow cold voice great on the track n gots a great team around him I do bump some of his songs
The use of the word blackballing is malappropriate. Fix it
Ps
I've never heard an Ian song actually but I love hip hop and hearing about how copy cat rap is dying and how the top guys are pushing the new guys to be creative.
I don’t think it’s blackballing, they didn’t like post Malone either lol
I don't remember any artists expressing hate for Post, you may not like his music but you can't deny he's talented... Ian sounds like someone typed Future into an AI
Am I the only person that doesn’t support what Tyler is saying? I like Tyler the creator, but it just sounds allot like the bullshit people said about Eminem when he first started rapping. Sounds like gatekeeping, mixed with a hint of spite. If you don’t like something that is fine. Don’t listen to it, but don’t tell everyone else that they should do the same. Not everyone has the same opinions. I don’t think Ian is great or anything. I like Magic Johnson, I think it’s a fun song. It’s not the greatest, but I think it’s weird for a big rapper to call out an everyday run of the mill artist like that. After looking into this over and over and over again. It’s really just Tyler thinking he cooked with something he said, he didn’t. I’m not sorry.
Ian's and Eminem come up was very different, at least with him you can actually see he was trying to do something different while respecting the culture.
It's 2024, people are not gatekeepy with rap as they were before, people's see ian as a clear industry plant, that's it.
Also stop using the "iF yOu dOnT LiKe iT JuSt dOnT LiStEn iT" argument. Music is art and it should be criticized.
ian project wasn’t trash but looks who’s judging lmaoooo
Ian project was dog shit not trash
@ good for you bro.. honestly i love that for you gang
It’s rich coming from Tyler given since the the rap industry didn’t really see him as “black enough” give he is the opposite of what’s considered “black”.
they both suck
Thats why tylerthediddy didnt end sundown town trap ian and jus gave him clout,he not the kendrick sidekick😭✌️
@@cggc5871 u just a hater get of his d
@@cggc5871why is diddy in all your comments, do you wanna get touched or something?
Difference was Tyler’s music was actually good Ian just boring
bro honestly, i don't understand why people read so deep into this, and its especially always from african americans.
like someone making music in a genre that was made by black people shouldn't be an issue
if you dont like it don't listen to it, like its that simple.
Same people saying Malone is a Culture Vulture
@@mysterious_559 what THE HELL... that ones crazy, dude is so multilaned talent i cant believe ppl would say that abt post
@@KookoCrafthe is a culture vulture
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@@luck-oj9uhThat cause he's white. If he was Black as J. cole. Nobody would care
ianilla ice
dutie being straight up and saying hes an industry plant is crazy id never expect that from him
i as bumping ian before the trap music he jsut wasnt dropping on all sdps
See I notice people bringing up Jack Harlow during this whole topic, but I would argue that he has respect for the genre as when he did start making music it wasn't suppose to be memed on, also his music is obviously for a certain group of people being ofc Jack Harlow fans and women in the same way to how Central Cee's music differs from UK Drill rappers.
Ian literally sounds like a future and yeat clone yet ppl love it, i like some songs but yea its obvious hes biting
Lol he sounds almost AI generated 😂
Bru Ian fye Onb
Truth is Tyler is just angry at the fact that Ian happens to be a regular white kid & yet his getting all this attention,is this idea in the black community that every white/others person who happens to make black music is just doing so to mock the art and to exploit its culture for profit Ian never had a chance they were gonna say he was mocking black culture that he was disrespectful just because he’s white.
Tyler must be talking about Mabu.
The amount of weirdos in the comments calling Tyler the weird one in this situation when he is mostly right that Ian is an industry plant who dies not really care about the music at hand. Sure give Ian the benefit of doubt that maybe he does care about rap, but if you listen to his music everyone is saying the same thing "He sounds like...". That does not sound like someone who is original and is trying to make his own wave in the rap industry. His SOLE marketing is all about how white he is. Eminem nor Mac Miller did that and they made waves in the rap scene. Not even Macklemore started his career off that.
This guy has NOTHING against Joeyy
Not going to lie he's got like one song that was decent but I honestly see where Tyler is coming from is music just feels unauthentic and inorganic .
Younger Tyler would hate who he became
Younger Tyler was objectively a bad person. what's your point
@@eee7072-h5t😂What😂
@@eee7072-h5t irrelevant to what I’m saying lol nobody trying to argue I’m just making an observation
@@eee7072-h5twhat did he do besides making making a few angry statements?
How?
I personally dont like Ian’s music but im having a hard time understanding what about him is mocking Hip Hop? Seems like bro’s just poking fun at the fact that he’s white and trying to be a rapper since a lot of the time rappers who happen to have a white complexion tend to be called Culture Vultures if they take a liking to making Hip Hop music. Love tyler tho, thats my dawg
He’s been making music he has a whole mixtape with gyo that most people don’t know about
ppl dont know what a industry plant is when has ian ever put out a image tht he is a independent artist ? and also he has been makign songs those just prolly got recegenition after he had a label to push it more we not gone act like tht was his first song hes been making music for a min
you can say you dont like his music but saying hes "stealing" the culture is crazy bcs noone has this same response when a black person makes lies in their raps its just so one sided noone said this about lil tecca when he was coming up
@@blud2818 both rappers that "lie" in their raps so they would be considered mocking the culture
@AstroHitTheLotto you do realize that stealing and lying aren't the same thing white?
10:07 I agree with this whole statement
The term "industry plant" has gotten out of hand idk why people care sooo much if they were coming in and making sht music i would understand the hatred but ian makes good music and you do know that when grand slam dropped it wasnt even under a label he probably signed due to the success of the song "figure it out" and even if u dig u can find that he been making songs for a while he didnt just pop out of no where he deleted most of his old songs and if any1 has the right it shouldnt be the same person who came up off of rapping about cheese pizza(cp) and etc gross things and is praised for it
Obviously he just has a problem with him being white. There is many rappers that blew up being disrespectful and thoughtless mocking the art of rap that do not get called out or even looked at bc they aren't white. Not that Ian is "not taking it serious enough". There is so many trying rap like future with future like beats but it's not a mockery unless the person is white. More proof is when he talks about ian's music, he can only use vague insults like "weird" which doesn't make sense bc like I said, they're are plenty of rappers also "mocking" future and getting attention but bc they aren't white it doesn't matter. He opened up with "this Caucasian" like nobody makes anything that sounds like gucci and future as if their sound and beats isn't mainly the entire trap genre
I thought this interview was about netspend but I must have been wrong , I like Ian too
Tyler the Creator mocking a preppy white man how he is dressed while dogging out Ian in that interview is kind of crazy ngl 😂
Tyler gatekeeping because he white. Stop freaking out over rap. Not that serious
You have to understand that Hip-Hop and Rap were created as the cultural and creative expression of impoverished minorities. Which is where the outrage lies with Ian.
he was producing before he started rapping under in ferguson i think... dont quote tho
LIl yachty did a music vid with Ian, Tyler hates Ian, Tyler is taking Lil yachty on tour? can someone explain??
I think because there friends
two different people have different opinions
i like ian
You have terrible taste
ian isn't even an industry plant wth
Ian got a Cheif Keef feature and a Venom movie promo a few months into his career... How is that NOT a plant? 🤣
@@blakasmurfdo you even know what industry plant means 😭 he had 0 label backing for the first 2 years of his career i know because i was there
@@conartis I don't think you understand how plants work these days. Some random soundcloud rapper starts to make music a label or manager with connections spots them with low numbers sees dollar signs and makes that person blow. That's how plants have worked for the past 10 years. It's doesn't mean they put in no work of their own, it's just that their growth is not organic it's label manufactured. Ian wouldn't have much organic growth beyond what he already got, because the music isn't strong enough. You literally said he'd only made music for 2 years before getting backing that's literally nothing lol!!! So 3 years in he gets the label/manager backing and blows. There are better artists out there really in the trenches making better music who won't ever blow like this guy, 'cause they'll never get the same push. He's where he is 'cause some label/manager realised they could use him sounding black to make money
I don’t really like Ian but Tylers comments pissed me off so bad he got me defending Ian. Tyler swears he makes music for philosophers like he wasn’t a bigger weirdo than Ian when he came up. His old ass need to stay out of the new wave and stop dressing like 18 year olds 😭😭
Bro are you dumb?
@@fourismoretell me I’m wrong
@@forest5306you’re very wrong…it’s not about him being weird did you not hear anything he said?
Edit: I’ve never seen an 18 year old dress like him lmao what?
@@blackshyguy2160 he’s complaining about him “mocking” rappers when he they’re just trying to say that he’s trash and white lol. Yall treating Ian like he Osama bin Laden when this mf is just a teenager rapping like everyone else. You don’t have to like Ian music to know that. If you wanna assume he’s a culture vulture then that’s a different thing but nothing he’s doing rn is wrong he just makes music like every underground trash ass rapper.
Going straight to the "old head" shit is just unoriginal, Ian is a plant and the only reason tyler fans are attacking him is because ian dissed tyler in a song and also people are saying ian is better than tyler. Ian is so far behind the level rappers like Tyler are on that its crazy. No rapper is for philosophers and and neither him or his fans claimed that. And also the argument isnt about Ian coming upand being different, its litterally the opposite. Yes tyler was weird when coming up in the rap game, he was different. Ian is the opposite of that, you must not of heard the entire video, hes litterally arguing that Ian is just unoriginal and a copy cat. Tyler was somethingnew when he came up and Ian isnt. :NOBODY SAID IAN WAS A WEIRDO: and also just because tyler is in his 30s doesnt make him "old" or automatically make his opinion unvalid. Ian is not "the new wave" he's a gimmick rapper and a copy cat, white or not.
Ian is a ywa
Imagine if tyler meant a totally different mf like….
Bobbalam is a goat
i don’t get it . wouldn’t every rapper that sounds alike be “mimicking” each other, that’s the logic they’re using with ian after all no? “He sounds like future” “he’s mimicking carti and lil baby” howww😂 just cus they sound alike like every other rapper don’t mean shi
Old heads mad they not up anymore XD
Idc about who said what and drama
Imma listen to whoever I want regardless of what other ppl or artists say about them lol
Dawg the really had the glo files in this shit ??
9:04 that’s a crazy tweet, I hope its bait because damn this is delusional 😭
Dork oldhead wants dictionary recitials😭✌️
Fr hip hop is thriving rn
It’s definitely not thriving, hip hop has been declining steadily for a while now that’s not really a hot take 😭 most of not all good music being put out is by artists from the 2010s. Any new underground artists that are good aren’t getting pushed to the forefront where they need to be because creativity is being lost to the playlist era . So yeah rap is declining, not dead but it says something when a white rapper who makes mid music gets signed by drake when hundreds of other artists get left in the dust of the underground
@@per4lesi542 I hate to break it to you but it’s been this way forever. Why did a Lil Xan or a Vanilla Ice blow up and not a Corbin or a Lil Ugly Mane? Because they made mainstream appealing music that fit the current zeitgeist of rap and they were marketable af. And are they to blame 100%? I think that we as listeners should know better and not overhyped some mid ass artists just to be part of a fan group.
Hip hop is not declining - it’s probably just your interest declining or your taste that’s evolving and that’s a good thing. But to prove my point, we had so many great albums come out this year (Future 2x, Schoolboy Q, Childish Gambino, Yeat, Lucki, Concrete Boys, Bladee, Chief Keef, Denzel Curry).
But also the underground has been cooking (Evilgiane producer tape, 1oneam, tana, smokedope2016, Hardrock, Glokk40, che, MIKE, RXKNephew, Redda etc), so is hip hop really declining or are some people just not interested enough in the culture?
Everyone understands that hip hop and rap come from black culture, but people wanting to keep it only for black people is part of the problem. Culture is meant to be shared and compared and learned from… keeping it segregated is a huge step in the wrong direction
Sharing with other artists outside of the culture is what got us rappers like vanilla ice
@@TiffanyMorris-jr6pg but it also gave us Eminem
Not trying to hear let a Mexican artist go try and imitate Japanese culture he's going to get treated the same way if not worse and its always black people"got to share culture" when were gatekeeping from the vultures trying to feed off our art because were the blueprint for everything in this country.
Please stop butchering the term blackball as your just lying for clickbait
Nah people wanna keep calling these guys industry plants acting like someone else should get the blame. If someone’s popular the people/listeners are making it that way. Don’t like it don’t listen to it, and how is a guy who’s been on record saying he don’t give af about music and came out trolling for years before he flipped the script and wanted to be some artists artist type talking about another guys come up.
Tyler never claimed he didn't care about music, even listening to his old stuff, you can see his love for chords and things outside and inside of rap music in his edgy stuff.
At the end of the day, the dude was a teenager who wanted be rebilous and edgy,(like every edgy kid in 2011 with a Tumblr account).
The people who say he never respect music don't actually know tyler or his history, they did minimal research.
Like you.
Here after Chromakopia 🙃
I don’t agree with Tyler exactly but Ian still garbage
bro idc let ian go
Still gonna bump him
Ye is pronounced Yay bro 🤣
The detractors aren't tapped into the underground period
Are you saying Ian is underground with a Chief Keef feature and Venom movie promo?
a convo that needs to be had is how much “meme” rap did come from black artists, ian is criticized for it but he did in fact just copy that from other black rappers, which in line doesn’t make him that much different, he’s just white.
You are so brain dead, Ian is copying other rappers and he’s serious about it like it’s his own thing which is pathetic and cringe. It’s not that deep
Yeah, one that didn’t grow up in any type of struggle and had it easy his whole life. What a “struggling” meme rapper who had to work his whole life and definitely didn’t have it easy.
@@MergeManny u think every rapper that was more unserious that likely inspired him grew up struggling? (carti and yachty to begin w)
@@milesgordy6389 I don’t think you understand. He’s a culture vulture doing this too. He doesn’t belong here. He more than likely didn’t have this same style 3 years before this and isn’t using this for the passion. He made 2 songs before signing, lock in.
@@MergeManny i’m just saying, i think it wouldn’t be as much of a problem if he wasnt mimicking people who themselves weren’t the most serious or best for the culture themselves, its like looking up to a role model who isn’t a good person
Bro removing comments...
Why do ppl assume Ian doesn't love rap? Clearly Ian takes influence from some of the dopest rappers in the game, he just needs time to grow as an artist. Its pretty typical for rappers nowadays to blow up with another rappers sound, but then make something new from it.
Bro Ian himself admitted that he hates rap he said it's trash music
He said he hates rap
He just had on a shirt saying "rap is the new government" 🤦🏿♂️
This the problem with the world who gaf abt the genre and race let mfs make they money and make yours it’s literally just a compilation of vibrations music never been deep
@@rubi2krazy to what extent this is an empty response 🏌🏾
@@odogtrilllzsaying that is literally sh*tting on the impoverished minorities who built the Hip-Hop movement. You need to pay better attention in school and grab a history book.
@@mrshs4332 let this sink in I DONT CARE abt no hip hop or what it took to make it music is music yall stressing yall self over nothing. Nobody can change my mind that music is deep
@@odogtrilllz and your statement is why there are still issues with race relations in America. You just admitted you don’t care about minorities and until you get doxxed or exposed for your backwards thinking you won’t care.
@@odogtrilllz if you don't care about the things that your consuming then fine, but sit down and shut up when people who actually cares about the art they consume unlike you.
So what is it is he tastelessly mocking, carti, future, lil baby or gucci main, cuz it can't be all of em cuz that would just be inspiration
Typer used to be put down for being different in rap and now hes doing that to others and its WACK
as he should bros buns 😭
Yo bro I love your videos and art
You cant steal culture. No one owns culture as culture is just a conglomerate of every other older culture. "Black culture" is a combination of hundred of older cultures with diffrent skin colors, ideologys,and entire lives. The only way to kill a culture is to not spread it and that exactly whats happening. Culture is meant to be shaped by everyone. For example, a lot of English culture has roots in spain,france,england. Basically all of Europe. This doesnt mean white people own this culture because not just white people made it. People 400 years ago contributed to this culture and no one owns it
"Black people" invented hip hop so its gonna be gatekept by us simple as that 🤷🏿♂️
"Culture appropriation is taking or using something from another culture without giving proper recognition or respect to that culture"
This is literally the text book definition of what Ian is doing, what you're talking about is influence but ian is clearly doing nothing with the influence other than just to make money off of it.
@subzu2733 no one can own culture so you can't steal it. It's dumb how people think just because there great grandpa is part of some culture makes it so they own there culture even if they know nothing Abt it.
@@frapapeto cool how you responded to nothing I said.
Fucking waste of time and oxygen.
Tyler dresses like white college bros is he mocking them?
Fr who give af if Ian white or not. The dude makes fire music that’s it 😂
Ian does NOT make fire music
@@okwillingness898He make average music,.
@@okwillingness898 that’s “your” opinion
@ZAMERON the hell quotes are for in this sentence
@@ZAMERON whats with the quotation marks?
who dis guest ian bru
Its honestly disturbing and racist how black wont except this white rapper because he “bitting flows” and doesn’t really care about music history in general. He doesn’t have to care about it. Idk why people think they have control other people and make them care about things that they clearly don’t care about. Like put yourselves in this guys shoes and give him the benefit of doubt, if u look at this way you’ll see he could just be having trying to have fun and make music and is also influenced by his favorite rapper.
He’s biting flows from people who made it out the mud, when he had it easy and knows nothing about the culture as a whole. It’s not JUST music, it was originally a movement.
@@MergeManny but at the end of the day u or i cannot control him and he can continue making music for fun. He doesn’t have to a give a singular f*ck about music and its history and thats just the reality. Its so annoying how random people just attack this guy for doing stuff they don’t agree with like f*ck off it ain’t even your business, if u don’t like him don’t say anything don’t try to make some kind of music nerd when he doesn’t even care.
@@eli_.gocrxzyHip-Hop and Rap belongs to minorities. Whether white people like it or not, or refuse to respect and understand history, this entire genre came from the struggles of impoverished minorities.
Not “caring” or giving the genre its proper respect and reverence is simply not an option when you are an outsider in the genre. In a similar way that minorities have been excluded from predominantly and historically white spaces, minorities have carved out a cultural niche where we feel at home.
That’s what the whole point is. If you are from the culture you should move correctly, but there are obvious cases in the modern age where some choose to chase the bag. That does set a bad precedent and damages the integrity of Rap as a genre. The most damage, however, comes from the culture vulture. People who have no ties to the culture, no reverence, no respect, and solely pursue accolades within the genre to party, bullshit, and further damage the integrity of a truly special and cultural touchstone for all minorities.
So no. People calling this dude out should not just f**k off. Minorities don’t have many spaces where we feel at home and respected and valued. We have the right to call out BS and sus out individuals who are predatory to the genre that gives us a cultural foundation.
@@mrshs4332 its music dude it fun. It aint that deep. Saying music belongs to certain people is crazy.
@@eli_.gocrxzy for minorities it’s not just music. That’s what you fail to understand. It’s our lives expressed through a creative medium.
Who is Ian?
I dont like ian
Ok video made me go check the kid out, rhymes are sup par it's audio Future lil Baby face hahahaha no cap
Tyler doing the same thing to Ian that dj khaled did himself
bait used to be believable
Hell no. Ian has no love for rap at all . Tyler been in the game for years he lives and breaths rap
@neverleft7494 neither does a lot of rappers
@@mysterious_559 maybe the rappers you listen to?? a shit ton of popular rappers female and male have at least SOME knowledge on rap or an idol in rap that they deeply feel inspired by and listen to rap outside of their own music.
@@neverleft7494tylers mid anyways
ppl mad that he’s white?
108 views in 16 minutes, bro fell off
I'm happy if I can get that in 24 hours lol
Tyler trippin
Ian hard brah
Tylerthediddy is not kendrick sidekick to try to gatekeep rap😭✌️
wtf you on about
four comments talking to yourself is crazy next level ian glaze