its so nice to hear someone who knows what they are talking about talking about those things in a way that assumes everyone also knows all about the stuff too.
Excellent video. I fitted the latest Mk4 VDSL master socket. I had some old bakelite thing for the 1950's. I also used the orange wires to take a data feed directly to my modem. Speed up 50%! Thanks
For over four years now I have suffered with bad internet and all the phone calls to bt were like hitting my head off a brick wall. I've just done this set up in my house using the latest bt mk4 master socket and I now have over 15Mbps (good for my area) compared to the crap 4.7Mbps that I've had for years. I definitely recommend trying this setup it worked for me, no more nagging kids, fantastic! Thank you Vince you may just have saved my sanity
I did this at my folks house a few years back, it's a much neater solution to use a 2 module grid plate at the router location with RJ11 & BT module fitted.
Very informative - a bit confusing for a layman - but after watching two times - all makes sense. Very useful advice. Thanks heaps - keep the videos coming.
Love your videos Vince. The detail is amazing even if it just goes straight over my head! I’m sure BT should be using your videos as training videos and save themselves a fortune!
This is a bodge job. Better to move the lead in to where it is required, upgrade to DECT phones and do away with the unnecessary extensions. Running unshielded twisted pair through a modern house after the filter is a bad idea.
Brilliant video - thank you! You presented a brilliant workaround solution to address the existing wiring, covering a lot of useful material quickly and clearly, with excellent commentary. Nothing long-winded at all, which I liked. I also picked up a number of secondary tips in the course of what you were showing and explaining.
hi mate i was having intermittent drop outs so a sky broadband expert came and he decided to hardwire a cat 5 adsl cable from the mk 4 5c master socket faceplate and the result was brilliant it went from 73575kbps to the max of 79999kbps and the upload from 18999kbps to 19997 kbps so hard wireing with the cable you used in this vid is an excellent way to boost speed
Haven’t been home for ever so many years, so it’s been interesting to see how BT are wiring in VDSL times … thanks for this. Fortunately, it’s all a little easier over here in Germany.
I don't often issue praise on youtube but in this case it is clear that you do very good work and I would find it to be a simple matter to recommend your services to anyone with telecom/data issues. The only thing I would have done differently would be to ask the customer if they would ever consider using the bedroom data circuit and if not I would have jelly crimped it rather than punching it down on the face plate jack (5 stars -> those jelly crimps are a must for this procedure). Indeed I would have simply connected the DSL line directly from the incoming line downstairs by the window (23:36) and bypassed all the extra line and crimps going upstairs. That way it would be very close to the outside network interface box, bypassing all of that extra wiring, wreckage and line noise/signal loss opportunity, best would have been to disconnect the upstairs data and wire the DSL right there at the junction by the window. (OR if they absolutely wanted to have data upstairs then punch the upstairs data on the jack by the window, either way making the DSL connection as close to the network interface as possible rather than routing it through all of those splices, which would have been superior, bypassing 30 meters of unneeded wiring) (removing the upstairs data and directly wiring the DSL from the window jack would have been perfection but now I see that for whatever reason they ran the cable upstairs first and back down, which is a little disappointing (life is filled with all manner of mild inconveniences, eh?)). But getting rid of filters and separating signal data from voice and going over the twisted pair will make a huge difference with signal quality. "The less connections the better..."
This causes a fault called Bridge tap Vince. The DLM will react to this. You need to run a separate tesco to A&B. this has only been brought to light from BT recently.
Quality vid, thanks. Of course moving the router next to the BT master would be the ideal thing to do, and use cat 5E to link the rooms. No need for points all over the house with DECT phones nowadays.
Cool video, I used to have adsl, but changed to Cable internet, Now I have 60 download, we have the option of 100 Meg download, but cost more, so 60 is good enough for me. Maybe in the future, possible job changes, I might move up to faster speed.. I enjoyed your video. for sure.Thumbs up!
I live in the Philippines and I get a minimum of 86M Upload and 86M Down on PLDT and sometimes more i think at one point I got 186M I checked it a few times but thats on Fiber just shows how the internet has been, when i was in UK I was with PLUSNET, BT and a few others and the ADSL was terrible thank god Fiber came !!! but when i went to PH -- PLDT were offereing over 100MB for around PHP 2800 (£40) I was shocked at the speeds lol -- Sky and Talk Talk are worse but it also matters where the exchange boxes are. Good video!
A simpler exercise would have been to wire from the BT entry point, a new CAT5e cable to the socket where the broadband is needed, move the main NTE5a master socket (fit a new one with modern filters) and fitted to the end of the CAT5e cable and reconnect the existing extension wiring as extensions on the extension plate.
Changing the faceplate for a proper filtered one can definitely improve the speed, especially if you current need to use separate microfilters on each phone extension / Sky box etc. But, it is technically meant to be illegal to change anything on the main line coming in to the NTE5 Master socket (ie. anything behind the front plate / extension plate.) Not that BT would normally bother about it if you do a decent job of changing the plate, but best not to mention it if an engineer asks. lol
Ex BT engineer here. Although you didn't show the speeds from the test port from the socket if it had been shit all that work would have been a waste of time anyways. On that note the dropwire was the old dropwire 6 or 11 (grey crap) which isn't compatible with ADSL/VDSL. So what you have done is future proofed it anyways which is not a bad thing. I would have told customer to get Openreach out to change the dropwire first, also change the NTE to a newer one and then while they are there get test results from PCP.. From there you could work on what sort of speeds you are gonna get either for ADSL (distance from exchange) or VDSL (distance from DSLAM). The Mark 4 VDSL is out now (tool less and wasn't available in 2015) and is a tidy bit of kit. As I Say you have now future proofed it anyways Although I would add as easy as the job is I would have also pointed them to argos to buy homeplugs straight from the NTE as there was an electrical socket nearby... But thats my engineer head on trying to get out of there as quickly as possible ;) Oh and to end I would have told them to buy their own router as those as absolute dogshit.
Wonder if you could help me? Ive a master socket in my hallway and an extension running off that into the next room. The extension has my router plugged into it and also my house alarm. However I'm getting no broadband at all and no dial tone on my phone. The wire setup is orange to 3, blue/white to 2 and white/blue to 5. I have also changed the phone extension socket to a brand new one and still no joy. Any ideas? Thanks
First thing I’d do is check whether or not they use the extra extensions... if not intercept the dropwire coming to the house into the room where the router is, new NTE5C with a vdsl faceplate, job done.
Before doing all this you just try plugging the router direct into the test socket under the BT master socket face plate (you have to remove the face plate first). This disconnects all the extensions. Check the sync speed and see if it any better. If not then it is probably pointless doing everything described in the Vince's video as you are not going to get better than a direct connection with all the extensions disconnected.. Doing this first may save you wasting your time if the problem is not caused by internal wiring losses/noise.
Thanks Vince, great video. Just finished. Didn't work straight away, bad connection on terminal 3, don't like the IDC connections but perhaps its lack of skill on my part!
I wonder if you have fibre now ? I've recently switched to vodafone and get 75 mbit download snd 20 mbit upload for just £28 a month and this includes line rental
Got around this by hooking a CAT5 cable directly from the master socket of the phone company (right where their cable ends) to the modem 3 floors high plus around 1 meters. No more ADSL connection drops.
moved into a house with the master socket on the hall windowsill. there were about 3 extensions thrown in under carpets etc, so i ripped it all out and put new in properly in decent places. my one regret was not relocating the master socket. I have a hatred of phone sockets on windowsills!
hmmm well as i work for a major telecoms provider in there tech team i can say your theory is all fine but the config takes up to 10 days to stabilise and bassicly with you doing line work the com auto config's to the highest stable connection point for that time hence why you got a increase i can safely bet if you went back and retested after the 10 days you would be back to normal, not hateing on your vid or anything just pointing out a flaw in the final testing. still gave thumbs up for your efforts
euch, so much work and it's like throwing a deckchair off the titanic. nah i appreciate the ingenuity for sure, but basically if you haven't got fast infrastructure running to your street, all that's to be done really is patiently/indignantly pester your national phone network until they relent. get others to join your campaign. best of luck to you.
Hi Vince, I recently replaced a friends master socket. It was one of those master sockets with a T engraved on the front. It also had an I plate attached. This family live in a semi-rural area and therefore only get 2mbps download speed and about 0.69mbps upload speed and 99ms ping. The family could only use the web one person at a time! For example. Person A couldn't watch youtube video on iPad whilst person B was using BBC iPlayer on the Xbox 360 in the living room. Once second person was using the connection to either browse the web or stream content, the streams started to buffer. I replaced the master socket to a BT Openreach NTE5a with MK3 VDSL/ADSL faceplate. Upon completing this, whilst the bandwidth is not expected to improve, they have been able to stream content on *two* devices **buffer free**!!! They have been very pleased with this as (for them) it is a major improvement. I've no idea what benefit the new socket has had on their connection that has eliminated the buffering... perhaps its the RF filter? Anyways, I just wanted to say thanks for all your videos and information as it has allowed me to learn about phone lines (even though I personally use Virgin Media!! therefore I shouldnt have to concern myself to all this stuff) and telephone sockets to be able to complete this job for them.
You're not allowed to replace master sockets; you have to pay Openreach to do it for a huge fee of £128.40. Everything apart from extensions belongs to Openreach.
another tip if you have a Technicolor router, dump it and get a better one. I have had two variations of Technicolor and both were bad. Now I have a Fritz!box and very rarely have a connection drop. If you do get a new router, just make sure to call your provider and give them your MAC address of your new router so they can sync it to your account. Provider having the wrong MAC address can lead to internet issues too. Happened to me when my old provider sent me a replacement technicolor for a old broken one. They forgot to update the MAC address lol. A third tip, if you have copper wiring for cable tv, it is possible that you can get internet through that too. Much faster and more reliable than the standard telephone port. Availability would depend on the provider though. It's still technically ADSL because it goes through a phone line, just through an underground line instead of the ones floating through the sky held up by wooden poles. Old Cable TV subscribers possibly have this available to them (those with the grey boxes on the outside of their homes)
Great video. Very informative, thanks. Could you explain why it would be better to run a long cat5e/6 cable from the master socket please? Also how much difference do you think there will be? because I have the option, albeit a minor pain in the arse to do both. Thanks again.
our tt fibre was a bit irratic with occasional dropouts so i thought id fit the vdsl faseplate you have there. i fitted it as per your video but couldnt get anything out of the vdsl socket and had to use the micro filter via the phone socket. after watching this vid a couple of times i notice you didnt disturb the main wire on the back plate and this is where i went wrong id put that wire directly to the face plate . but alls well now and it all looks and works better ive just got to get some better cable between the socket and router. thanks for your vids there really helpfull. p.s do you think they will be rolling out fttp in the near future?
Router into master phone socket in bedroom, cat5 from router to powerline adapter in bedroom, cat 5 from powerline adapter in living room to WAN of any WAP you like. This may well work better than your solution, at least as well as because you are moving your router to the master socket and powerline will transfer at at least 200Mbps, assuming the following : The whole house is on the same breaker box The wiring is of a decent quality.
I enjoy the vids Vince, hoping you can advise on something. I have the master socket in a very inconvenient place. I'd like to use a socket in another area. For best speeds would you suggest cat5e from the master to the other socket with a vdsl face-plate?
You said the wire coming in was 40 years old. Would that be the main cause of the slow connection in this house? Is it possible to replace that wire coming in? How would you go about doing it? Contact BT? And how much would it cost?
I am no telecom engineer or nothing like that, but you can have your old cables replaced for better performance, you can have modern copper wiring or fibre optic. All they have to do is to find your cable at your local bt junction box which is that green or brown box about a meter high and wide theirs normally one found on every estate in the u.k, they un wire your cable and tie the new cable to your old one, and then pull the old cable through the underground wire ducts from your house pulling the new one through from the bt junction box, then they wire it up, I dont know how much it costs but it cant be cheap,
It can be yes! telephone cable is not twisted as tightly as data cable, and replacing it with cat 6, might speed things up. But the cable is property of BT, so you would need their permission to work on it legally. You could try to run cat6 to the cabinet on your block, but you might have to mess with the cable on the telephone wire, and it might bunch up with a bunch of other cables. If you are caught or cause a fault there can be serious penalties :(
Hi, very in depth video and well made. Seems like a lot of work though. Couldn't you just relocate the router and then distribute the signal wirelessly or using home plugs? You have a better overall network in the house that way and your router would be right next to the master socket. You could put a small switch in the office if they need to hardwire more than one device.
A very big thanks to you Vince, After watching your videos here on TH-cam I since purchased hardware from you and can only say what a star you are.I have gained a 25% increase in my ADSL speed and can actually watch HD videos without buffering for the first time ever.Check out the difference it made.www.timprocter.co.uk/general/Before%20Speed.jpg www.timprocter.co.uk/general/after%20speed.jpg
Very good video. But that internet is so slow. We use coaxial cables from our isp in belgium. We get 200 mbps download and 20 mbps upload. But i realy liked the video.
Well, I finally did it. Bought the new main box and small one for the bedroom. Wired it all up and my sky wifi went from a crappy 2.5mbps to a slightly better 12.4mbps Still not brilliant but an improvement. What else can I do to improve speed? I'm using the upright Sky Hub SR102. What is a good replacement for it?
Would it be a good idea to do your speed test, as you did, but then to take the router upstairs and do another speed test to see if it is likely to make any improvements?
Hi Vince, Love your vidio's which are very detailed and easy to follow, but was looking for a similar solution, went on avforum and the general concensus was that you can't use telephone wire to transmit data signals(use cat5e)as the impedence is different, is this right.?.
ken smith Hi, thanks for the message. Cat5e or Cat6 cables are better and if you have the option then it would be best to run them but this video shows an easy solution which may help if you don't want to get too involved in running cables. As long as the telephone extension cable are the proper CW1308 type BT installed extensions then it will work as these are the same cables as the outside network which the signal has travelled down from either the telephone exchange or the green street cabinet.Thanks Vince
Hey Vince spot on videos matey👍 keep up work just quick question to save putting up additional socket could you put a 4/1A ie double slave and have phone in one then plug in a adsl filter into the other to get the RJ11
***** Hi, thanks for the message.... good question, I don't see why not. It would be best to use a 4/3a or just cut out the capacitor from the 4/1a to make it into a 4/3a just in case the capacitor may cause problems. The ADSL micro filter should just let the unfiltered signal straight through it so yes it should work just fine. Good thinking. Another option if your back box was sunk in the wall (maybe in a new build house) would be to install a modular socket which are approx. 85mmx85mm with a BT module and either a RJ11 module or a RJ45 module (RJ45 allow both RJ11 plugs and RJ45 plugs). These modular faceplates allow 2 modules to be installed on the one faceplate, so it may be a better option.Many thanks Vince
Cheers for the prompt reply mate yup totally agree with ya.. Love the videos reminds me of my resi engineering days lol which I still do now and again for mates and occasional work callouts.. Now work on private ccts more for fibre but the old copper links gonna be in for while and still installing and maintaining SDLS and ISDN2 etc 😱😱
I think your videos should help, I’ve got a real mess of main socket, splitter then doubler with phone and extension in the doubler nothing 8n the asdl end of the splitter and they get knocked so are a bit broken. The main socket is mounted on a "box" boxing in the bottom of some pipes. I’ve bought the new master socket replacement like the plate you have there, planning on fitting it when I find the right instructions. The extension has the router plugged into it. Seems a similar set up to what you describe. I’ll finish watching this video, then it may be clearer what I have to do. My extension twisted cable is built into the floors and wall. I might need more advice though. The master socket was hanging loose on the cable and always having wires pulled out or snapping so I often repaired it but that was 14 years ago so I’m out of practice.
Simply stated in telephone speak you are removing all the line share services from the signal splitter and removing bridge tap by dedicating a home run pair to the rj11.
the router sync is more important,speedtest.net is nice but shows mainly ISP performance. the router itself shows sync speed and many routers can also show you attainable rate,SNR margin and line attenuation. you can bring your own router to test those things instead of using whatever the customer has because unlike cable you can switch the adsl/vdsl modem without having to talk to anyone.(only cable uses the modems MAC address as part of the infrastructure connection for setting things up)
Hello Vince. Is it possible to change the plastic DSL BT master socket to Euro Modules using a BT master Euro Module and a RJ11 Euro Module, and if so how would I do this?
In Germany the old goverment "Deutsche Bundespost" followed company "Deutsche Telekom" use the normal double spilled cable to the costumer house, in the old time 'the phone line'. After the first socket (how do can install all phone technican since around 2000) do you install the box socket with 'signal in/phone out/(A/V)DSL out' and after this your (A/V)DSL router and your old line phone - or your router have VoIP tech inside and you put your phone at your router. They make a project how give fiber direct to the customer home for less a year for around 16 places. So private companies and public communities install around 98% or more of fiber direct to the customer over FTTB and FTTH inside Germany. This is the future in opposite to the old ADSL and VDSL technology over the most _old_ phone lines (some are over 80 years old!).
Hello Vince, Do I need a microfilter if I dont have a house phone, I can just connect the router straight to the master socket using a RJ11 to BT431 cat5e cable and would I see any increase in download speed ect
Hi Vince, great video and very well explained. I live in a bungalow and only need the master socket. Had a few problems in the past with the internet, really slow. OpenReach guy checked the cable to my front door which is only 25 feet from the roadside cabinet. He says everything is ok but it keeps coming back you have a problem indoors. BT say nothing wrong!! I currently have the new v6 router by BT. Would it be worth me changing the faceplate to vdsl as I don’t have any extensions? Many thanks Graham.
It depends on the master socket, and your internet connection. It won't hurt the line, but it might not make it better either. The best speeds you can hope for would be a new NTE5 without the surge protector, and a VDSL2 faceplate. But you don't need to spend the extra money if you only have adsl to your home, you could just try an adsl faceplate, or an iplate with the regular adsl microfilters. The surege proctor also probably won't make a huge difference, but maybe... its hard to say until you try it.
epichappy thanks Vince. The master socket-is not great and I’m thinking about putting a new master socket in. I have the filter as I have an security phone coming off the master.
@@grahamallen3941 No problem. Usually the alarm filter is so the alarm can disconnect other phones to dial out via voice, some of them also have an adsl port or vdsl port. But your best results will come from filtering the broadband at the mastersocket, and then using the alarm filter on the voice side only, since DSL won't block the alarm from dialing out. Just keep in mind that the master socket and the network wiring that goes into the back of it are property of your service provider, and usually you need their permission to change the master socket. You could call them, and ask them to do it. But if you do it without authorization and they find out, either because you cause a fault, or because they do service on the line and notice, there can be quite a large charge.
epichappy Thanks again Vince, I asked BT to change it and they said yes we will do it for you and that will be £129 because the socket is working ok!!! Think I might just leave it until it stops working!! All the best, Graham
@@grahamallen3941 Yikes, that is quite a charge. Even though it looks like that master socket is here to stay you might be able to speed things up a little. Since you don't have any extensions, the iplate might not make much difference, but you mentioned the alarm was connected. Any extensions from your master socket, especially ones with terminal 3 connected can add extra interference to the line. You could try connecting your adsl filter directly to the test socket in the master socket and see if that gives any improvement, since removing the sure protector usually does not give a very big speed increase, and you will illuminate all the other wiring by using the test socket. Its also import to check the speed your router connects at, since a speed test might not have adjusted to the new line signal quality yet. If things get better with this test, you could try an Iplate, or a vdsl2 face plate and they should give the same speeds as directly connecting your router to the filtered test socket. Is this a newer NTE5 style master socket?
Vince your videos are brilliant. I only get 1 meg download so I am going to try something similar but I am wondered if you could let me know what you think. My main black BT cable from the street ends inside the little grey box outside my house. The BT guy has spliced the 2 blue/white wires to it inside that box and then the house cable goes through the wall in to the internal garage on the ground floor, then it goes up 2 floors and across the length of the house to the 2nd floor master bedroom. There is an extension socket here which the BT guy didn't bother to connect up. There is just a loop of wire inside it where it comes in then goes back out and down a floor to the living room where the BT master socket is. I plug my modem in to there along with a filter. My plan is to move the master socket to the garage right where it comes in from the outside and put a VDSL face plate on it like in this video. Then I will have the blue wires coming off which will then daisy chain to the bedroom telephone extension socket and the front room telephone extension socket (I think that's OK isn't it?) the green wires I will connect to A&B of the VDSL plate and use for data and connect them to a RJ11 socket in my front room. How does that sound, or would I be better putting the master socket in the bedroom?
+SIBUK Hi, yes that would work but I do not think you will gain anything by putting the master socket in the garage. If you had loads of extension wiring then rearranging things would be best but in your setup I think it would be best (if you wanted a phone in both the front room and the bedroom) to fit the mater socket with the VDSL faceplate and the router in the bedroom and then fit the extension in the front room. If you are not bothered about having the extra phone extension then leaving it as it is in the front room will probably produce the same results because although the line is taking a longer router to your master socket it probably only measures an extra 10m onto the line which when considering the length of the line to the exchange (or green cabinet on FTTC) is a tiny amount.Thanks Vince
My master socket is downstairs and we need the internet upstairs so we had to get 2 dsl cable and we got a microfilteter and put it in the middle connecting both cables so does 2 micro filter cables do anything to the connection or is it alright
lol dude you must have gone ham with the tags on this video ! its the top search result anytime you search a word from "UK telecoms network nomenclature" I just want to know if someone has a cool video explaining Dynamic Line Managament (DLM) but all i get is you slowing down someones broadband with a janky extension fam :D Nah seriously though thats a cool idea good video mate :D Interestingly though if the end user has an SSFP faceplate like a VDSL/ADSL dual port thingy as the master socket, you can just remove the filter from the top half which shoves the entire unfiltered signal through the extension sockets, so you can chuck a broadband router on any of those extensions with an external microfilter attached instead of running a separate VDSL extension from the master socket.
TBH the results here are inconclusive. We don't know what the sync rate was before the test, only the throhghput / IP Profile. What we also don't know is how much the SNR is affected at night, that sync rate might drop to 2,800KBit/sec after dusk. That modern NTE5 will already be filtering the ring signal of AM frequency interference which used to be a major cuase. The underlying issue here is >Unfit for purpose drop wire >Distance from the DSLAM >The router not being connected directly at the master socket Tryna get ADSL or VDSL down some manky old multi strand non-twisted-pair fig.8 drop wire is absolute insanity. Responsibility lies with Openreach.
Vince, I'm currently a Sky broadband customer who would like to move all data and phone sockets and have cables chased into the walls. Should I be getting my sparks and Sky engineer in on the same day in order to coordinate this or can the cables be chased and concealed retroactively, why do electricians not like working with phone cables?
Hi, I don't think you will have much success with the Sky engineer, normally they just have a set job to do and will not deviate much from that. Some electricians are keen but the telephone wires can be fiddly compared to the thicker electric cables and I presume they can earn more money sticking to what they know best. If your electrician isn't interested maybe you could get him/her to chase up the walls and install metal back boxes in the rooms and just install cat5e or cat6 (pure copper NOT CCA-copper clad aluminium) everywhere, perhaps 2 or 3 runs to each room leading back to perhaps under the stairs or a cupboard and then you could get a local telephone/network engineer to do the actual wiring up, fitting the sockets and patch panel etc. The Sparks would still be doing most of the work but not the final fiddly bits and maybe they could give you a bit of a discount for the phone/data runs to go towards the network engineer.
Robert Dore some electricians aren't certified. Sky wouldn't move your sockets they would call BT do perform any rewiring or master socket relocation. they'll replace a faulty faceplate ( so long as you're within a contract) but they won't move a socket to another location without a cost (around £130).
Robert, as an electrician myself (who trained on voice and data in the 80s)... what I've heard from colleagues on site, is that mains power 'just works' or 'just doesn't work'... 50Hz 2.5mm2 doesn't care if you bend it at right angles. Cat5 and above DOES mind... They don't want to be bothered. If your job still hasn't been done (it was only 4 weeks ago you posted...) then it might be worth suggesting to the electrician what my Mate Vince said... get the sparky to chase the walls...and (*my addition*) add 20mm plastic conduit. THAT STUFF IS CHEAP... and it will let you pull in either cat6, cat7, or optical, or braided unicorn hair, or whatever happens in a few years time, with no disruption to your decoration. if you choose that route, have them pull in a draw string/wire. You may find your sky guy is happy to work in with you if you've had this done... because it will save them work even if it's not what they usually do... (no clipping etc). Hope my 2c helps
I run my router from an extension - wired using the normal way for extensions from the master socket. It's about a 12m run. I use a cordless phone system with the master phone being on the extension and the router too via an external adsl filter. When I remove the ringer wire (orange in terminal 3) on my master socket and extension socket the router sync speed drops 50%. Why would this be? I measured the dropwire voltage and it's 47.9V. I've tested the extension wiring ohmage and it's fine on all wires - same value as touching the multimeter probes together. It's a Vodafone router just installed a couple of weeks ago.
Good call on the B&Q, argos, etc style 'flat' extension cords. Those things MURDER the dsl speed :\ Another thing to watch for (I am sure you already know this..lol) is the modern 'cw1308' is often flippin copper plated steel, that seems to bugger about with the dsl :(
i work for att here in the us and you guys jacks over there are different att using rj45 jack for everything and we use cat 5e for everything fro our box outside to the inside jack. we only use one pair for the internet signal going to out modem and no split offs just a straight line to the modem no other jacks. then they sell the costumer voip phone and we use another pair in the cat 5e to get the tone back to the box outside that has all the other old 2 pair phone wire that is wired in series
Cool, thanks for the info. I think BT (the main UK company) are going to be offering something similar in the next year. They have made a new master socket called the NTE5C and when they fit the VOIP faceplate onto that master socket it will liven up the old telephone extension in the house on the VOIP line. In the US you must be quite a few years ahead of us with the technology. Thanks Vince.
Yea Vince and the other guy BT have got aomething. Fibre wire comes into your house from the extension then into a white box them out and into another white box on my wall them into ethernet to the router. I can see you some pics if you'd like??
I moved into a new house that has phone sockets in every bedroom is there a way to get them working to hard wire broadband for pc or xbox in each room?
Vince, why did you leave the router on during the whole installation? This would have cause a few disconnections causing DLM to intervene. Also, you should turn the router off if you want to unplug the DSL cable and then turn it back on again after you plug the DSL cable back in.
+William Grimsley Also, the speed test that you recorded at the end of the video is quite a lot slower than the sync rate because of the IP profile not because of DLM. DLM raises the sync rate and the IP profile not just the sync rate. The speed test result would become more like 4 Mbps download and 0.8 Mbps upload within 3 days and then after that the sync rate would increase.
Illarious to see all that bunch of people thinking that tey know a ton more i IT and network engineering but have never touch an RJ45 cable in their life :') Keep your aesome work and video Vince, i really like the way you think and how you try things ! Don't give up !! Also i'm in France with 13 Mbps down and 0.9 up. My ISP (Orange Telecom) modem+router is located just at the same spot as the phone line that is feeding the internet in my appartment. I kno for a fact that all the cables that runs in the house are very very old something like 40/50 years and are for some completely dead. The cost for replacement is too high and as i'm not the owner of my place, i can't do whatever i want. Do you think replacing my faceplate can in fact not really increase my speed but at least giving me more stability or is it a aist of time and already a lost game ? Also sorry for my bad English sir ^^
Hi there, wonder if you can help, I have had intermittent broadband connection for a for a while now, I think it's because we have a regular 10 meter male to female phone extension line from our master socket at the opposite end we have a micro filter with ADSL line to the router, would you recommend we put the filter directly into the master openreach box then run a 10m rj11 ADSL cable to the router?
Hi, yes it could help especially if the 10m extension lead is a cheap flat flexible type of cable. If possible you could try moving your router to the master socket to see if the connection improves and then you know for sure that the 10m lead is affecting it.
My Mate VINCE Yeah its like a 4 wire flat type, download seems fine about 20mb but upload is about 100kbs according to router stats, should be atleast 2-5mb id say. Connection as a whole has been intermittent. We also only use the master socket as we only have broadband, though theres an extension directly next to it and upstairs with the ringer/bell wire attatched might be a big ariel to cause intermittence.
If you have a punchdown tool maybe disconnect the hardwired extension if you don't use it and see if it improves and then you can punch it back in again after a few weeks if nothing has improved. Make a good note or take a picture so you can reconnect it exactly as it was.
I honestly wouldn't recommend doing this. To increase adsl speeds, I would advise to remove ALL extensions. and use the main NTE socket. Adding more extensions is only going to cause more noise thus having to increase the SNR to have more stability over dsl speeds. He should just plug his router in there with a standing adsl filter or a pressac facia. Then us powerlines upstairs, as his ADSL might be rated for 20mb but powerlines are rated for 250mb+ so you are more likely to see grading on the adsl line over the powerline connection.
Jonathan that wouldn't always work and can make for an unreliable connection with power plugs. Also fyi using them makes hardly any difference in speed, it just extends your routers ethernet and some routers are not compatible
Any advice Vince on a faceplate that for some reason stopped working without touching anything. The issue is no dial tone on house cordless phone. Internet works speedtest registering 21mb upload and 3.3mb upload but unless its connected to test socket no phone dial tone Test socket works. I have an Open Reach BT Faceplate. the ADSL line is connected to its own RJ11 socket above where the microfilter connects. The Internet RJ11 doesnt work if its plugged into the microfilter. The problem is I have no phone dial tone when using the master socket but it works through test socket. I'm stratching my head. I've unplugged everything and started from stratch. Same result no dial tone. Cannot afford for a BT engineer. Any advice? I know this isn't the right video but you seem like you know your stuff thought I'd ask. Master socket only has 2, 3 and 5. No A and B and no 4.
I did exactly this as my master socket is in a porch with no power outlet so router can't go there. I used the existing phone extensions which are about 35 years old. Speeds are a bit lower than when plugged straight into master socket as I tested it with a power extension cable, but speeds over phone extensions are good enough at about 5% loss. problem I have is regular dropouts. 4 or 5 times daily. it picks up again almost immediately, but causes me great inconvenience as it kicks me off my VPN which I need for work. No dropouts when going straight off master socket. After investigating, I found the phone extension runs across open floor under carpet and not around the hallway walls and after all these years the cable has been shredded with all the footfall. There's not really any outer sheath left! looks like I need to lay new cable anyway now. Condition of existing wiring is important!
Will this work on any network for example I live in the Isle of Man & my broadband speeds are not that good with the provider I am with so if it does this would save me money having to upgrading. I'm currently getting supposedly 16 mbps download speeds. I get 12.64mbps download & 0.68 upload speed although I connect via wireless.
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*I love it when somebody thinks of all the details ahead of time what can go wrong and what you may or may not need good job.*
its so nice to hear someone who knows what they are talking about talking about those things in a way that assumes everyone also knows all about the stuff too.
Excellent video.
I fitted the latest Mk4 VDSL master socket. I had some old bakelite thing for the 1950's.
I also used the orange wires to take a data feed directly to my modem.
Speed up 50%!
Thanks
For over four years now I have suffered with bad internet and all the phone calls to bt were like hitting my head off a brick wall. I've just done this set up in my house using the latest bt mk4 master socket and I now have over 15Mbps (good for my area) compared to the crap 4.7Mbps that I've had for years. I definitely recommend trying this setup it worked for me, no more nagging kids, fantastic!
Thank you Vince you may just have saved my sanity
Thanks Alan :-)
I did this at my folks house a few years back, it's a much neater solution to use a 2 module grid plate at the router location with RJ11 & BT module fitted.
Very informative - a bit confusing for a layman - but after watching two times - all makes sense. Very useful advice. Thanks heaps - keep the videos coming.
Love your videos Vince. The detail is amazing even if it just goes straight over my head! I’m sure BT should be using your videos as training videos and save themselves a fortune!
Spot on fella, I'm an openreach engineer and I can verify everything you said. It's a shame the training they give you isn't as thorough.
This is a bodge job. Better to move the lead in to where it is required, upgrade to DECT phones and do away with the unnecessary extensions. Running unshielded twisted pair through a modern house after the filter is a bad idea.
@@rww805 amen👍👍👍👍👍👍
Yes he forgot to insert the quanguallaor on port 3,this guy sux
Wow, I tried this for my mothers broadband and it went from 0.3MB/s up to 1.47MB/s - well please with that - thank you for sharing it!!
thats not broadband speeds
advising people to use cheap chinc vdsl filters instead of Openreach MK3s great broadband engineer !!!!
Brilliant video - thank you! You presented a brilliant workaround solution to address the existing wiring, covering a lot of useful material quickly and clearly, with excellent commentary. Nothing long-winded at all, which I liked. I also picked up a number of secondary tips in the course of what you were showing and explaining.
hi mate i was having intermittent drop outs so a sky broadband expert came and he decided to hardwire a cat 5 adsl cable from the mk 4 5c master socket faceplate and the result was brilliant it went from 73575kbps to the max of 79999kbps and the upload from 18999kbps to 19997 kbps so hard wireing with the cable you used in this vid is an excellent way to boost speed
Ohh.. this is the reveal of Vince's face.. 3 years ago. Hai Vince. 😂
Hahaha i've just clicked on this myself as it was in my feed, thinking "Finally, the man behind the tools" then saw the date hahaha.
He doesnt try not to show his face
You see it alot even in newer vids
Well done Vince, you banged on forever-and-a-day when what you droned on about could have been shared in a 5 minute video.
You're an intelligent guy. You explain things really well. Thank you.
WiFi router into the master socket and a rebroadcast hub downstairs. Job done.
I've been critical of a couple of your vids in the past, but this one is spot on. Nice result at the end too! Good work
Haven’t been home for ever so many years, so it’s been interesting to see how BT are wiring in VDSL times … thanks for this. Fortunately, it’s all a little easier over here in Germany.
I don't often issue praise on youtube but in this case it is clear that you do very good work and I would find it to be a simple matter to recommend your services to anyone with telecom/data issues. The only thing I would have done differently would be to ask the customer if they would ever consider using the bedroom data circuit and if not I would have jelly crimped it rather than punching it down on the face plate jack (5 stars -> those jelly crimps are a must for this procedure). Indeed I would have simply connected the DSL line directly from the incoming line downstairs by the window (23:36) and bypassed all the extra line and crimps going upstairs. That way it would be very close to the outside network interface box, bypassing all of that extra wiring, wreckage and line noise/signal loss opportunity, best would have been to disconnect the upstairs data and wire the DSL right there at the junction by the window. (OR if they absolutely wanted to have data upstairs then punch the upstairs data on the jack by the window, either way making the DSL connection as close to the network interface as possible rather than routing it through all of those splices, which would have been superior, bypassing 30 meters of unneeded wiring) (removing the upstairs data and directly wiring the DSL from the window jack would have been perfection but now I see that for whatever reason they ran the cable upstairs first and back down, which is a little disappointing (life is filled with all manner of mild inconveniences, eh?)). But getting rid of filters and separating signal data from voice and going over the twisted pair will make a huge difference with signal quality. "The less connections the better..."
hopefully many more videos like this. good job!
Man I paused and play your video so many times some how I missed a stepped and got my petter stuck in the toaster. Nah just playing good video thanks
Am I The Only One That Thought My Mate Vince Was An Old Man Until I Saw This Video.
Also Thank You Very Much For The Help.
This is almost my exact set-up, so I am going to try this. Thanks
I'm sorry I didn't see this years ago. Great job
This causes a fault called Bridge tap Vince. The DLM will react to this. You need to run a separate tesco to A&B. this has only been brought to light from BT recently.
Cool vid. I learnt a couple things here. I totally get utilising whats there.
Instructions on my router say "DO NOT US ADSL OUTLET", so well great idea from your side
Thanks great video. Good shooting too. Well explained. I want to do this for my Parents in Australia. ADSL sucks !
+Kunga Music You might have different wiring and standards over there. I would check first.
Yeh we do but I know them. Thanks
Brilliant! Many thanks for a clear and useful video!
Quality vid, thanks. Of course moving the router next to the BT master would be the ideal thing to do, and use cat 5E to link the rooms. No need for points all over the house with DECT phones nowadays.
Cool video, I used to have adsl, but changed to Cable internet, Now I have 60 download, we have the option of 100 Meg download, but cost more, so 60 is good enough for me. Maybe in the future, possible job changes, I might move up to faster speed.. I enjoyed your video. for sure.Thumbs up!
Nice 1 Vince. Well intrigued
I live in the Philippines and I get a minimum of 86M Upload and 86M Down on PLDT and sometimes more i think at one point I got 186M I checked it a few times but thats on Fiber just shows how the internet has been, when i was in UK I was with PLUSNET, BT and a few others and the ADSL was terrible thank god Fiber came !!! but when i went to PH -- PLDT were offereing over 100MB for around PHP 2800 (£40) I was shocked at the speeds lol -- Sky and Talk Talk are worse but it also matters where the exchange boxes are. Good video!
I don't even know how to change a plug, why am I watching this?
Interesting tho
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That beggars the question; "What were you trying to change the plug into ?"
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That would be a transplug.
Loving your videos :)
Thank you for sharing
A simpler exercise would have been to wire from the BT entry point, a new CAT5e cable to the socket where the broadband is needed, move the main NTE5a master socket (fit a new one with modern filters) and fitted to the end of the CAT5e cable and reconnect the existing extension wiring as extensions on the extension plate.
@Trixie K a good point provided you have a modern faceplate with the A and B points, well flagged 🙂
@Trixie K I like your style 🤛
Changing the faceplate for a proper filtered one can definitely improve the speed, especially if you current need to use separate microfilters on each phone extension / Sky box etc.
But, it is technically meant to be illegal to change anything on the main line coming in to the NTE5 Master socket (ie. anything behind the front plate / extension plate.)
Not that BT would normally bother about it if you do a decent job of changing the plate, but best not to mention it if an engineer asks. lol
Excellent video, well explained, thanks, I'll certainly give this a go.
Ex BT engineer here. Although you didn't show the speeds from the test port from the socket if it had been shit all that work would have been a waste of time anyways. On that note the dropwire was the old dropwire 6 or 11 (grey crap) which isn't compatible with ADSL/VDSL. So what you have done is future proofed it anyways which is not a bad thing. I would have told customer to get Openreach out to change the dropwire first, also change the NTE to a newer one and then while they are there get test results from PCP.. From there you could work on what sort of speeds you are gonna get either for ADSL (distance from exchange) or VDSL (distance from DSLAM). The Mark 4 VDSL is out now (tool less and wasn't available in 2015) and is a tidy bit of kit. As I Say you have now future proofed it anyways Although I would add as easy as the job is I would have also pointed them to argos to buy homeplugs straight from the NTE as there was an electrical socket nearby... But thats my engineer head on trying to get out of there as quickly as possible ;) Oh and to end I would have told them to buy their own router as those as absolute dogshit.
All routers that your ISP provide are shit lol
Wonder if you could help me? Ive a master socket in my hallway and an extension running off that into the next room. The extension has my router plugged into it and also my house alarm. However I'm getting no broadband at all and no dial tone on my phone. The wire setup is orange to 3, blue/white to 2 and white/blue to 5. I have also changed the phone extension socket to a brand new one and still no joy. Any ideas? Thanks
agreed even my netcommwireless ac1600 router is better then those ones!
Put the router in the master.
First thing I’d do is check whether or not they use the extra extensions... if not intercept the dropwire coming to the house into the room where the router is, new NTE5C with a vdsl faceplate, job done.
Or dis off the extra sockets that aren’t being used
Master socket is owned by BT, so BT needs to be the one to move it.
Before doing all this you just try plugging the router direct into the test socket under the BT master socket face plate (you have to remove the face plate first). This disconnects all the extensions. Check the sync speed and see if it any better. If not then it is probably pointless doing everything described in the Vince's video as you are not going to get better than a direct connection with all the extensions disconnected.. Doing this first may save you wasting your time if the problem is not caused by internal wiring losses/noise.
FFS my brain is now a syrupy grey liquid...… Good job I have no intention of trying this.
Thanks Vince, great video. Just finished. Didn't work straight away, bad connection on terminal 3, don't like the IDC connections but perhaps its lack of skill on my part!
Thanks for show how to install VDSL inside in UK.
I wonder if you have fibre now ? I've recently switched to vodafone and get 75 mbit download snd 20 mbit upload for just £28 a month and this includes line rental
Got around this by hooking a CAT5 cable directly from the master socket of the phone company (right where their cable ends) to the modem 3 floors high plus around 1 meters. No more ADSL connection drops.
So glad that my house was fitted with Cat6 cables when it was built in 2007 or so
moved into a house with the master socket on the hall windowsill. there were about 3 extensions thrown in under carpets etc, so i ripped it all out and put new in properly in decent places. my one regret was not relocating the master socket. I have a hatred of phone sockets on windowsills!
Do funny seeing your fAce and not just hearing your voice lol nice to meet you Vince
hmmm well as i work for a major telecoms provider in there tech team i can say your theory is all fine but the config takes up to 10 days to stabilise and bassicly with you doing line work the com auto config's to the highest stable connection point for that time hence why you got a increase i can safely bet if you went back and retested after the 10 days you would be back to normal, not hateing on your vid or anything just pointing out a flaw in the final testing. still gave thumbs up for your efforts
euch, so much work and it's like throwing a deckchair off the titanic. nah i appreciate the ingenuity for sure, but basically if you haven't got fast infrastructure running to your street, all that's to be done really is patiently/indignantly pester your national phone network until they relent. get others to join your campaign. best of luck to you.
Hi Vince,
I recently replaced a friends master socket. It was one of those master sockets with a T engraved on the front. It also had an I plate attached. This family live in a semi-rural area and therefore only get 2mbps download speed and about 0.69mbps upload speed and 99ms ping.
The family could only use the web one person at a time! For example. Person A couldn't watch youtube video on iPad whilst person B was using BBC iPlayer on the Xbox 360 in the living room. Once second person was using the connection to either browse the web or stream content, the streams started to buffer.
I replaced the master socket to a BT Openreach NTE5a with MK3 VDSL/ADSL faceplate. Upon completing this, whilst the bandwidth is not expected to improve, they have been able to stream content on *two* devices **buffer free**!!! They have been very pleased with this as (for them) it is a major improvement.
I've no idea what benefit the new socket has had on their connection that has eliminated the buffering... perhaps its the RF filter?
Anyways, I just wanted to say thanks for all your videos and information as it has allowed me to learn about phone lines (even though I personally use Virgin Media!! therefore I shouldnt have to concern myself to all this stuff) and telephone sockets to be able to complete this job for them.
You're not allowed to replace master sockets; you have to pay Openreach to do it for a huge fee of £128.40. Everything apart from extensions belongs to Openreach.
Well he did it, and from the sounds of it, it's only had pros and no cons.
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Plusnet ... say no more. :))
job well done Sir!
another tip if you have a Technicolor router, dump it and get a better one. I have had two variations of Technicolor and both were bad. Now I have a Fritz!box and very rarely have a connection drop.
If you do get a new router, just make sure to call your provider and give them your MAC address of your new router so they can sync it to your account. Provider having the wrong MAC address can lead to internet issues too. Happened to me when my old provider sent me a replacement technicolor for a old broken one. They forgot to update the MAC address lol.
A third tip, if you have copper wiring for cable tv, it is possible that you can get internet through that too. Much faster and more reliable than the standard telephone port. Availability would depend on the provider though. It's still technically ADSL because it goes through a phone line, just through an underground line instead of the ones floating through the sky held up by wooden poles. Old Cable TV subscribers possibly have this available to them (those with the grey boxes on the outside of their homes)
Great video, my head hurts but I get the idea.
Great video. Very informative, thanks. Could you explain why it would be better to run a long cat5e/6 cable from the master socket please? Also how much difference do you think there will be? because I have the option, albeit a minor pain in the arse to do both. Thanks again.
our tt fibre was a bit irratic with occasional dropouts so i thought id fit the vdsl faseplate you have there.
i fitted it as per your video but couldnt get anything out of the vdsl socket and had to use the micro filter via the phone socket.
after watching this vid a couple of times i notice you didnt disturb the main wire on the back plate and this is where i went wrong id put that wire directly to the face plate .
but alls well now and it all looks and works better ive just got to get some better cable between the socket and router.
thanks for your vids there really helpfull.
p.s do you think they will be rolling out fttp in the near future?
Great video. Thanks for posting.
Router into master phone socket in bedroom, cat5 from router to powerline adapter in bedroom, cat 5 from powerline adapter in living room to WAN of any WAP you like.
This may well work better than your solution, at least as well as because you are moving your router to the master socket and powerline will transfer at at least 200Mbps, assuming the following :
The whole house is on the same breaker box
The wiring is of a decent quality.
I enjoy the vids Vince, hoping you can advise on something. I have the master socket in a very inconvenient place. I'd like to use a socket in another area. For best speeds would you suggest cat5e from the master to the other socket with a vdsl face-plate?
power liner adaptors do work well and may be an alternative to cat5 cabling
Would you not be passing your personal data on to the national grid?
You said the wire coming in was 40 years old. Would that be the main cause of the slow connection in this house? Is it possible to replace that wire coming in? How would you go about doing it? Contact BT? And how much would it cost?
I am no telecom engineer or nothing like that, but you can have your old cables replaced for better performance, you can have modern copper wiring or fibre optic.
All they have to do is to find your cable at your local bt junction box which is that green or brown box about a meter high and wide theirs normally one found on every estate in the u.k, they un wire your cable and tie the new cable to your old one, and then pull the old cable through the underground wire ducts from your house pulling the new one through from the bt junction box, then they wire it up,
I dont know how much it costs but it cant be cheap,
It can be yes! telephone cable is not twisted as tightly as data cable, and replacing it with cat 6, might speed things up. But the cable is property of BT, so you would need their permission to work on it legally. You could try to run cat6 to the cabinet on your block, but you might have to mess with the cable on the telephone wire, and it might bunch up with a bunch of other cables. If you are caught or cause a fault there can be serious penalties :(
Hi, very in depth video and well made. Seems like a lot of work though. Couldn't you just relocate the router and then distribute the signal wirelessly or using home plugs? You have a better overall network in the house that way and your router would be right next to the master socket. You could put a small switch in the office if they need to hardwire more than one device.
A very big thanks to you Vince, After watching your videos here on TH-cam I since purchased hardware from you and can only say what a star you are.I have gained a 25% increase in my ADSL speed and can actually watch HD videos without buffering for the first time ever.Check out the difference it made.www.timprocter.co.uk/general/Before%20Speed.jpg www.timprocter.co.uk/general/after%20speed.jpg
Thanks Tim, I appreciate the order and the comment.
Many thanks Vince.
Tim Procter
Very good video. But that internet is so slow. We use coaxial cables from our isp in belgium. We get 200 mbps download and 20 mbps upload. But i realy liked the video.
Well, I finally did it.
Bought the new main box and small one for the bedroom.
Wired it all up and my sky wifi went from a crappy 2.5mbps to a slightly better 12.4mbps
Still not brilliant but an improvement.
What else can I do to improve speed? I'm using the upright Sky Hub SR102.
What is a good replacement for it?
Hey great video mate. Speedtest.net is usually inaccurate so what I use is testmy.net since It allows you to control the testing.
+Ryan Curnow Still not accurate as it uses flash and java while testmy.net doesn't use that
The BT Wholesale checker is always best.
That is a good tool too
uses flash and my line is faster than the site - try again
Would it be a good idea to do your speed test, as you did, but then to take the router upstairs and do another speed test to see if it is likely to make any improvements?
Hi Vince, Love your vidio's which are very detailed and easy to follow, but was looking for a similar solution, went on avforum and the general concensus was that you can't use telephone wire to transmit data signals(use cat5e)as the impedence is different, is this right.?.
ken smith Hi, thanks for the message. Cat5e or Cat6 cables are better and if you have the option then it would be best to run them but this video shows an easy solution which may help if you don't want to get too involved in running cables. As long as the telephone extension cable are the proper CW1308 type BT installed extensions then it will work as these are the same cables as the outside network which the signal has travelled down from either the telephone exchange or the green street cabinet.Thanks Vince
Vince mate, what do you actually do for a living then? Telecoms Engineer?
Hey Vince spot on videos matey👍 keep up work just quick question to save putting up additional socket could you put a 4/1A ie double slave and have phone in one then plug in a adsl filter into the other to get the RJ11
***** Hi, thanks for the message.... good question, I don't see why not. It would be best to use a 4/3a or just cut out the capacitor from the 4/1a to make it into a 4/3a just in case the capacitor may cause problems. The ADSL micro filter should just let the unfiltered signal straight through it so yes it should work just fine. Good thinking. Another option if your back box was sunk in the wall (maybe in a new build house) would be to install a modular socket which are approx. 85mmx85mm with a BT module and either a RJ11 module or a RJ45 module (RJ45 allow both RJ11 plugs and RJ45 plugs). These modular faceplates allow 2 modules to be installed on the one faceplate, so it may be a better option.Many thanks Vince
Cheers for the prompt reply mate yup totally agree with ya.. Love the videos reminds me of my resi engineering days lol which I still do now and again for mates and occasional work callouts.. Now work on private ccts more for fibre but the old copper links gonna be in for while and still installing and maintaining SDLS and ISDN2 etc 😱😱
I think your videos should help, I’ve got a real mess of main socket, splitter then doubler with phone and extension in the doubler nothing 8n the asdl end of the splitter and they get knocked so are a bit broken. The main socket is mounted on a "box" boxing in the bottom of some pipes. I’ve bought the new master socket replacement like the plate you have there, planning on fitting it when I find the right instructions. The extension has the router plugged into it. Seems a similar set up to what you describe. I’ll finish watching this video, then it may be clearer what I have to do. My extension twisted cable is built into the floors and wall. I might need more advice though. The master socket was hanging loose on the cable and always having wires pulled out or snapping so I often repaired it but that was 14 years ago so I’m out of practice.
Simply stated in telephone speak you are removing all the line share services from the signal splitter and removing bridge tap by dedicating a home run pair to the rj11.
good video, I understand it all, thanks
the router sync is more important,speedtest.net is nice but shows mainly ISP performance.
the router itself shows sync speed and many routers can also show you attainable rate,SNR margin and line attenuation.
you can bring your own router to test those things instead of using whatever the customer has because unlike cable you can switch the adsl/vdsl modem without having to talk to anyone.(only cable uses the modems MAC address as part of the infrastructure connection for setting things up)
Hello Vince. Is it possible to change the plastic DSL BT master socket to Euro Modules using a BT master Euro Module and a RJ11 Euro Module, and if so how would I do this?
In Germany the old goverment "Deutsche Bundespost" followed company "Deutsche Telekom" use the normal double spilled cable to the costumer house, in the old time 'the phone line'. After the first socket (how do can install all phone technican since around 2000) do you install the box socket with 'signal in/phone out/(A/V)DSL out' and after this your (A/V)DSL router and your old line phone - or your router have VoIP tech inside and you put your phone at your router.
They make a project how give fiber direct to the customer home for less a year for around 16 places. So private companies and public communities install around 98% or more of fiber direct to the customer over FTTB and FTTH inside Germany. This is the future in opposite to the old ADSL and VDSL technology over the most _old_ phone lines (some are over 80 years old!).
Hello Vince, Do I need a microfilter if I dont have a house phone, I can just connect the router straight to the master socket using a RJ11 to BT431 cat5e cable and would I see any increase in download speed ect
Hi Vince, great video and very well explained. I live in a bungalow and only need the master socket. Had a few problems in the past with the internet, really slow. OpenReach guy checked the cable to my front door which is only 25 feet from the roadside cabinet. He says everything is ok but it keeps coming back you have a problem indoors. BT say nothing wrong!! I currently have the new v6 router by BT. Would it be worth me changing the faceplate to vdsl as I don’t have any extensions? Many thanks Graham.
It depends on the master socket, and your internet connection. It won't hurt the line, but it might not make it better either. The best speeds you can hope for would be a new NTE5 without the surge protector, and a VDSL2 faceplate. But you don't need to spend the extra money if you only have adsl to your home, you could just try an adsl faceplate, or an iplate with the regular adsl microfilters. The surege proctor also probably won't make a huge difference, but maybe... its hard to say until you try it.
epichappy thanks Vince. The master socket-is not great and I’m thinking about putting a new master socket in. I have the filter as I have an security phone coming off the master.
@@grahamallen3941 No problem. Usually the alarm filter is so the alarm can disconnect other phones to dial out via voice, some of them also have an adsl port or vdsl port. But your best results will come from filtering the broadband at the mastersocket, and then using the alarm filter on the voice side only, since DSL won't block the alarm from dialing out.
Just keep in mind that the master socket and the network wiring that goes into the back of it are property of your service provider, and usually you need their permission to change the master socket. You could call them, and ask them to do it. But if you do it without authorization and they find out, either because you cause a fault, or because they do service on the line and notice, there can be quite a large charge.
epichappy Thanks again Vince, I asked BT to change it and they said yes we will do it for you and that will be £129 because the socket is working ok!!! Think I might just leave it until it stops working!! All the best, Graham
@@grahamallen3941 Yikes, that is quite a charge. Even though it looks like that master socket is here to stay you might be able to speed things up a little. Since you don't have any extensions, the iplate might not make much difference, but you mentioned the alarm was connected. Any extensions from your master socket, especially ones with terminal 3 connected can add extra interference to the line. You could try connecting your adsl filter directly to the test socket in the master socket and see if that gives any improvement, since removing the sure protector usually does not give a very big speed increase, and you will illuminate all the other wiring by using the test socket. Its also import to check the speed your router connects at, since a speed test might not have adjusted to the new line signal quality yet.
If things get better with this test, you could try an Iplate, or a vdsl2 face plate and they should give the same speeds as directly connecting your router to the filtered test socket. Is this a newer NTE5 style master socket?
loving my 200mb speed thanks virgin media
Vince your videos are brilliant. I only get 1 meg download so I am going to try something similar but I am wondered if you could let me know what you think. My main black BT cable from the street ends inside the little grey box outside my house. The BT guy has spliced the 2 blue/white wires to it inside that box and then the house cable goes through the wall in to the internal garage on the ground floor, then it goes up 2 floors and across the length of the house to the 2nd floor master bedroom. There is an extension socket here which the BT guy didn't bother to connect up. There is just a loop of wire inside it where it comes in then goes back out and down a floor to the living room where the BT master socket is. I plug my modem in to there along with a filter.
My plan is to move the master socket to the garage right where it comes in from the outside and put a VDSL face plate on it like in this video. Then I will have the blue wires coming off which will then daisy chain to the bedroom telephone extension socket and the front room telephone extension socket (I think that's OK isn't it?) the green wires I will connect to A&B of the VDSL plate and use for data and connect them to a RJ11 socket in my front room. How does that sound, or would I be better putting the master socket in the bedroom?
+SIBUK Hi, yes that would work but I do not think you will gain anything by putting the master socket in the garage. If you had loads of extension wiring then rearranging things would be best but in your setup I think it would be best (if you wanted a phone in both the front room and the bedroom) to fit the mater socket with the VDSL faceplate and the router in the bedroom and then fit the extension in the front room. If you are not bothered about having the extra phone extension then leaving it as it is in the front room will probably produce the same results because although the line is taking a longer router to your master socket it probably only measures an extra 10m onto the line which when considering the length of the line to the exchange (or green cabinet on FTTC) is a tiny amount.Thanks Vince
My master socket is downstairs and we need the internet upstairs so we had to get 2 dsl cable and we got a microfilteter and put it in the middle connecting both cables so does 2 micro filter cables do anything to the connection or is it alright
lol dude you must have gone ham with the tags on this video ! its the top search result anytime you search a word from "UK telecoms network nomenclature"
I just want to know if someone has a cool video explaining Dynamic Line Managament (DLM) but all i get is you slowing down someones broadband with a janky extension fam :D
Nah seriously though thats a cool idea good video mate :D
Interestingly though if the end user has an SSFP faceplate like a VDSL/ADSL dual port thingy as the master socket, you can just remove the filter from the top half which shoves the entire unfiltered signal through the extension sockets, so you can chuck a broadband router on any of those extensions with an external microfilter attached instead of running a separate VDSL extension from the master socket.
TBH the results here are inconclusive.
We don't know what the sync rate was before the test, only the throhghput / IP Profile.
What we also don't know is how much the SNR is affected at night, that sync rate might drop to 2,800KBit/sec after dusk.
That modern NTE5 will already be filtering the ring signal of AM frequency interference which used to be a major cuase.
The underlying issue here is
>Unfit for purpose drop wire
>Distance from the DSLAM
>The router not being connected directly at the master socket
Tryna get ADSL or VDSL down some manky old multi strand non-twisted-pair fig.8 drop wire is absolute insanity.
Responsibility lies with Openreach.
Thank you all Videos very useful :]
Vince,
I'm currently a Sky broadband customer who would like to move all data and phone sockets and have cables chased into the walls.
Should I be getting my sparks and Sky engineer in on the same day in order to coordinate this or can the cables be chased and concealed retroactively, why do electricians not like working with phone cables?
Hi, I don't think you will have much success with the Sky engineer, normally they just have a set job to do and will not deviate much from that. Some electricians are keen but the telephone wires can be fiddly compared to the thicker electric cables and I presume they can earn more money sticking to what they know best.
If your electrician isn't interested maybe you could get him/her to chase up the walls and install metal back boxes in the rooms and just install cat5e or cat6 (pure copper NOT CCA-copper clad aluminium) everywhere, perhaps 2 or 3 runs to each room leading back to perhaps under the stairs or a cupboard and then you could get a local telephone/network engineer to do the actual wiring up, fitting the sockets and patch panel etc. The Sparks would still be doing most of the work but not the final fiddly bits and maybe they could give you a bit of a discount for the phone/data runs to go towards the network engineer.
Robert Dore some electricians aren't certified. Sky wouldn't move your sockets they would call BT do perform any rewiring or master socket relocation. they'll replace a faulty faceplate ( so long as you're within a contract) but they won't move a socket to another location without a cost (around £130).
Robert, as an electrician myself (who trained on voice and data in the 80s)... what I've heard from colleagues on site, is that mains power 'just works' or 'just doesn't work'... 50Hz 2.5mm2 doesn't care if you bend it at right angles. Cat5 and above DOES mind... They don't want to be bothered.
If your job still hasn't been done (it was only 4 weeks ago you posted...) then it might be worth suggesting to the electrician what my Mate Vince said... get the sparky to chase the walls...and (*my addition*) add 20mm plastic conduit. THAT STUFF IS CHEAP... and it will let you pull in either cat6, cat7, or optical, or braided unicorn hair, or whatever happens in a few years time, with no disruption to your decoration. if you choose that route, have them pull in a draw string/wire.
You may find your sky guy is happy to work in with you if you've had this done... because it will save them work even if it's not what they usually do... (no clipping etc).
Hope my 2c helps
Thanks mate :-)
Thanks for the input.
I run my router from an extension - wired using the normal way for extensions from the master socket. It's about a 12m run. I use a cordless phone system with the master phone being on the extension and the router too via an external adsl filter. When I remove the ringer wire (orange in terminal 3) on my master socket and extension socket the router sync speed drops 50%. Why would this be?
I measured the dropwire voltage and it's 47.9V. I've tested the extension wiring ohmage and it's fine on all wires - same value as touching the multimeter probes together.
It's a Vodafone router just installed a couple of weeks ago.
Good call on the B&Q, argos, etc style 'flat' extension cords. Those things MURDER the dsl speed :\ Another thing to watch for (I am sure you already know this..lol) is the modern 'cw1308' is often flippin copper plated steel, that seems to bugger about with the dsl :(
i work for att here in the us and you guys jacks over there are different att using rj45 jack for everything and we use cat 5e for everything fro our box outside to the inside jack. we only use one pair for the internet signal going to out modem and no split offs just a straight line to the modem no other jacks. then they sell the costumer voip phone and we use another pair in the cat 5e to get the tone back to the box outside that has all the other old 2 pair phone wire that is wired in series
Cool, thanks for the info. I think BT (the main UK company) are going to be offering something similar in the next year. They have made a new master socket called the NTE5C and when they fit the VOIP faceplate onto that master socket it will liven up the old telephone extension in the house on the VOIP line. In the US you must be quite a few years ahead of us with the technology.
Thanks Vince.
An nte5c is a tool less replacement for an nte5a knob head
colin jones What's with the abuse?
Yea Vince and the other guy BT have got aomething. Fibre wire comes into your house from the extension then into a white box them out and into another white box on my wall them into ethernet to the router. I can see you some pics if you'd like??
I moved into a new house that has phone sockets in every bedroom is there a way to get them working to hard wire broadband for pc or xbox in each room?
Vince, why did you leave the router on during the whole installation? This would have cause a few disconnections causing DLM to intervene. Also, you should turn the router off if you want to unplug the DSL cable and then turn it back on again after you plug the DSL cable back in.
+William Grimsley Also, the speed test that you recorded at the end of the video is quite a lot slower than the sync rate because of the IP profile not because of DLM. DLM raises the sync rate and the IP profile not just the sync rate. The speed test result would become more like 4 Mbps download and 0.8 Mbps upload within 3 days and then after that the sync rate would increase.
Vince, why haven't you replied?
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Thanks to this vid I got the full 50 down, so this is well worth the cost/time of doing it.
Illarious to see all that bunch of people thinking that tey know a ton more i IT and network engineering but have never touch an RJ45 cable in their life :')
Keep your aesome work and video Vince, i really like the way you think and how you try things ! Don't give up !!
Also i'm in France with 13 Mbps down and 0.9 up. My ISP (Orange Telecom) modem+router is located just at the same spot as the phone line that is feeding the internet in my appartment.
I kno for a fact that all the cables that runs in the house are very very old something like 40/50 years and are for some completely dead. The cost for replacement is too high and as i'm not the owner of my place, i can't do whatever i want. Do you think replacing my faceplate can in fact not really increase my speed but at least giving me more stability or is it a aist of time and already a lost game ?
Also sorry for my bad English sir ^^
Hi there, wonder if you can help, I have had intermittent broadband connection for a for a while now, I think it's because we have a regular 10 meter male to female phone extension line from our master socket at the opposite end we have a micro filter with ADSL line to the router, would you recommend we put the filter directly into the master openreach box then run a 10m rj11 ADSL cable to the router?
Hi, yes it could help especially if the 10m extension lead is a cheap flat flexible type of cable. If possible you could try moving your router to the master socket to see if the connection improves and then you know for sure that the 10m lead is affecting it.
My Mate VINCE Yeah its like a 4 wire flat type, download seems fine about 20mb but upload is about 100kbs according to router stats, should be atleast 2-5mb id say. Connection as a whole has been intermittent. We also only use the master socket as we only have broadband, though theres an extension directly next to it and upstairs with the ringer/bell wire attatched might be a big ariel to cause intermittence.
My Mate VINCE Thanks again!
If you have a punchdown tool maybe disconnect the hardwired extension if you don't use it and see if it improves and then you can punch it back in again after a few weeks if nothing has improved. Make a good note or take a picture so you can reconnect it exactly as it was.
I honestly wouldn't recommend doing this. To increase adsl speeds, I would advise to remove ALL extensions. and use the main NTE socket. Adding more extensions is only going to cause more noise thus having to increase the SNR to have more stability over dsl speeds. He should just plug his router in there with a standing adsl filter or a pressac facia. Then us powerlines upstairs, as his ADSL might be rated for 20mb but powerlines are rated for 250mb+ so you are more likely to see grading on the adsl line over the powerline connection.
Jonathan that wouldn't always work and can make for an unreliable connection with power plugs. Also fyi using them makes hardly any difference in speed, it just extends your routers ethernet and some routers are not compatible
Any advice Vince on a faceplate that for some reason stopped working without touching anything.
The issue is no dial tone on house cordless phone. Internet works speedtest registering 21mb upload and 3.3mb upload but unless its connected to test socket no phone dial tone
Test socket works. I have an Open Reach BT Faceplate. the ADSL line is connected to its own RJ11 socket above where the microfilter connects. The Internet RJ11 doesnt work if its plugged into the microfilter. The problem is I have no phone dial tone when using the master socket but it works through test socket. I'm stratching my head. I've unplugged everything and started from stratch. Same result no dial tone. Cannot afford for a BT engineer. Any advice? I know this isn't the right video but you seem like you know your stuff thought I'd ask. Master socket only has 2, 3 and 5. No A and B and no 4.
you are the best bro
I did exactly this as my master socket is in a porch with no power outlet so router can't go there. I used the existing phone extensions which are about 35 years old. Speeds are a bit lower than when plugged straight into master socket as I tested it with a power extension cable, but speeds over phone extensions are good enough at about 5% loss. problem I have is regular dropouts. 4 or 5 times daily. it picks up again almost immediately, but causes me great inconvenience as it kicks me off my VPN which I need for work. No dropouts when going straight off master socket. After investigating, I found the phone extension runs across open floor under carpet and not around the hallway walls and after all these years the cable has been shredded with all the footfall. There's not really any outer sheath left! looks like I need to lay new cable anyway now. Condition of existing wiring is important!
Move your master socket from outside. Fuck your extensions off and get DECT phones. You will thank me.
Will this work on any network for example I live in the Isle of Man & my broadband speeds are not that good with the provider I am with so if it does this would save me money having to upgrading. I'm currently getting supposedly 16 mbps download speeds. I get 12.64mbps download & 0.68 upload speed although I connect via wireless.
dam, that is one complex house, I have 1 master socket with cordless phones