Jim Cornette on Why People in the Wrestling Business Despise Vince Russo
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Never get tired of hearing Corny bash Russo.
Yes i love it ✌✌✌✌
I never get tired of hearing Corny rant/bash people period the guy has a passion for the business
“I’m tired of it, bro!”
- Vince Russo
Cornette's got bars on Russo.
@@richardcclark3696 Bro my b-hole hurts from all the bashing. I can't stop crapping my Pampers bro.
Him saying bro 500 times offends me I’m not a wrestler and I’m Italian and he offends me ugh
Me to bro bro bro stfu I hate that shit to
Russo got his storyline ideas after watching the Jerry Springer Show. That alone tells you how fucked Russo is...
WRONG and wrong again, moron basement dweller
Lol Sports Blundertainment. That fits perfectly!
Vince Russo is the kiss of death.
Tna, Wcw, his marriage.
@@iamkonner4813 lol
Did Jim for once not refer to Russo as "shit stain?" 🤔 Haha.
The woman has a nice voice
There needs to be a wrestlemania where the main event where it’s Corny vs Russo in a steel cage match
“No guns. No knives. $5,000 on the hood of my motherfucking truck!”
nah three stages of hell
I'm glad I found the real Cornette account. Unsubscibed from Jim Cornette's talking sense
So THIS one is the real one? Why does the talking sense one have so many more subs then?
MisterJonesification This channel has only just recently begun to release the clips. The channel is owned by The Great Brian Last. He's the producer of JCE. He's also the creator and owner of the 6:05 Super Podcast. Most recently, he has been producing Austin Idol's new podcast.
The clips have been uploaded at a breakneck pace. Prior to these, I don't think there was a concerted effort to host and release stuff related to JCE. Where there wasn't one, folks made them elsewhere.
No shots at the Talking Sense channel folks or anyone else. It's just good that Corny has an "official archivist".
They've recently reached an agreement. So you're no longer hurting him by going on that channel.
KangDo oh yeah, that's right. Good to mention it!
Cornette and Last have a relationship with the Talking Sense channel, they gave it their blessing to stay active. The person in charge of it reached out to them to do the right thing and they appreciated him coming to them instead of keeping the subs and views to himself. Maybe they get a cut of the money?
I first started watching wrestling well into the sports entertainment era (2000 or so), and even I hate Russo.
Of course you do, loser man-child
Ah.. knew I would find the illegitimate child of Russo commenting on someone else"s post!
No you!
David Welsh Yikes, the loser man-child with the (hopefully made-up) abused children is full-on stalking me now.
It’s hilarious how seething you clearly are, loser 😉
Same, I started watching in the summer of '98 and then I watched Raw and Nitro religiously and holy shit could you see the major decline in quality from the time Shitstain came to WCW in the Fall of '99 to the summer of 2000 when he had his meltdown at Bash at the Beach. I was still a relatively new wrestling fan and still kind of a mark but even then I knew that his booking was ass and ruined WCW. People can say the Fingerpoke of Doom ruined it but I'd say in the Spring and summer of '99 it was on the rebound with Crow Sting back and DDP as the heel champ and Hulkster going back to the red and yellow, etc, but that all went down the drain with ShitStain.
I think there is room for comedy and the illogical spotfests which indy marks cream over. But it should never overshadow the serious story lines and the matches they're being built around. Once you get to those matches, they should be worked in a certain way that tells the appropriate story. So to simplify all of this, I agree with Jim.
That pretty much was WWF in 1998 and 1999 under Russo when you had the top stars they did. Russo and Ferrera did the storyline miscarriages, Blonde Bytch Project and Beaver Cleavage while you had Austin vs Undertaker with AC/DC sponsoring the title track and Rock vs Austin at Wrestlemania. Vince McMahon Jr was able to keep the focus on the actual money drawing events that Russo was unable to do in WCW. Seriously, did anyone other than Russo himself believe that Russo booking himself to beat Ric Flair in a cage was going to sell tickets in Flair's territory?
It's more about avoiding the stuff that makes pro wrestling look like a work. I don't know if 'serious' is the best term here. Wrestling fans have had people brow beating them it's fake for years...they don't need the wrestlers and promotions to participate with letting them know it is fake.
And the more people really believe two guys don't like each other, even if the fans know it is fake, the more wrestling sells. What doesn't sell is illogical heel turns, illogical swerves, over-choreographed spots that require great care so to not injure the other wrestler, vignettes that force bad acting wrestlers to act out scenes, etc.
@@richiehunt5097
It's an age thing. If your only experience (or first) was "WWF Attitude", you'll think great wrestling involves nude girls with huge fake boobs and lots of swearing and guys that randomly flip around and that's the way to get over!
I also notice that the guys that are most derisive about a high flying style is guys who could never leave the ground. The big lard asses. Having said that, there's a difference between a high-flying offense and just randomly performing syncronized swimming where (as pointed out), it looks choreographed because they do the exact same flip at the exact same time. People don't get that difference. Shawn Michaels has a high flying offense. So did Road Warrior Hawk (who matched it with power), Bret Hart, lots of guys, but that was the difference. They could work several styles and not just rely on flying around the ring aimlessly. Lots of kids think the key to great wrestling is just jumping off things. Like everything else, it needs to be relevant to the match. The other thing that looks fake and choreographed is when you have two or more guys fighting and a third climbs up to the top and dives off, and everyone stops the second the guy is on top, and holds out their arms, ready to catch him. You can time drop kicks and clotheslines and punches and everything else, but when a guy steps on a turnbuckle, all action must cease, so you can stand there looking stupid.
As a fellow Long Island, NYer,. We do not, under any circumstances hold any responsibility to Vince Russo. Heck, he's more accepted in pro wrestling than he is on long Island. We hold 0 responsibility for him.
I stopped watching wrestling right around the time Russo started. For years i didn't realize what happened ... all i knew was that wrestling suddenly turned into a soap opera, not athletic entertainment with some killer storylines. Only years later did i realize it was that clown - and those who supported him that torpedoed the genre. Shame. Even when the K-fabe was broken, it was still entertaining. That is until russo got his hands on it.
While I absolutely agree with you, I want to ask you about your thoughts on the Attitude Era ? Because Russo played a role in the creation of the Attitude Era and claims that he created it (which is the reason WCW and TNA hired him in the first place)
Master Baiter the stars carried it. They had The Rock, Stone Cold, Bret Hart, Undertaker, Shawn Micheals, list goes on. The stars carried the attitude era and he can claim some of the storylines but can’t take credit for it.
@@jusbertmeza4424 LMAO the stars were there before and after Russo, the product was shit before him and quickly turned to shit after him and the stars were still there.
Why do the best actors have some great and some shitty movies? It's the material they're given
@James Gall Literally the single dumbest thing i’ve ever heard. Wrestling has ALWAYS been a soap opera you complete and utter moron.
Congrats on not knowing the slightest thing about the history of pro wrestling you beyond pathetic, tasteless man-child dunce.
While there has always been a "soap opera" element to pro wrestling, I am going to seriously call out what is proven by just the history of the business I have seen in 35 years of watching it.
Vince Russo didn't "create" anything, he just did what Vince did, and took credit. Vince Russo is a stereotype come to life, a New York reject who got lucky and was able to bs himself into a job he wasn't qualified for. He is what Patrick Bateman would be if he wasn't the least bit interesting.
Not a bit of the "Attitude Era" was actually fresh, in fact. Almost every story line was stoling from a long successful independent promotion.. even the Austin vs McMahon feud was a rip off of several others.. including the war between Eddie Gilbert and owner Bill Watts in the MidSouth/UWF only Eddie was the heel and Watts was the face.
The only contribution Russo made was that skank Sable.. and no one in the company could stand her when she was in the ring or opened her mouth.
I’m starting to thing Cornette doesn’t like Russo that much...🤷🏽♂️🤣🤣
lmao
Definitely offended by Vince Russo and his bullshit. And as for what I am is about a buck forty soaking wet and chronically ill, I still think I could easily beat the hell out of Russo just given the chance.
TheHighJedi ! What did he do to offend u ?
@TheHighJedi ! Seek help you pathetic loser geekoid
People may not like him. But I think only cornette and maybe bischoff hate Russo this much. This is like extreme hate here. I do t think anyone in history has hated someone more that cornette hates Russo.
Water is wet too fyi
I would pay to see what Corny would do if he was locked in a room with Russo
Vince Russo is offensive for many reasons... and Jim Cornette isn't at all using understated hyperbole. Vince Russo is a living embodiment of one of the most hated kinds of New Yorkers.
@UCrfOnO3-HerYaEY-UxuJoRQ , going to that tired old insult just makes you look like a child. And the fact you would want someone to commit suicide because you cannot handle others' opinions proves that you are the one the human race could do without contaminating the gene pool.
@UCrfOnO3-HerYaEY-UxuJoRQ , also, the fact that your name gets scrambled when some responds to you doesn't help you either.
David Welsh Keep life-failing you ridiculous man-child moron
@@jayreede19 , no.. you have nothing but insults, which shows you failed at both life and in your own imagination. Grow up, you said little troll. But thanks for proving how some New Yorkers (and those who fawn over them) should be sterilized for the good of the nation and the human race.
@UCrfOnO3-HerYaEY-UxuJoRQ , a delusional vulgar troll telling someone else to stop being a pathetic person? Wow.. you really have no self-awareness of how much of a walking advertisement for abortion you are? Makes us realize while Vince Russo will never admit he sired you!
I don't agree with corney on alot of his beliefs but im 100% with him on shit stain as corney calls him 😂😂😂
Who is the lady?
Alice Radly.
TEAM CORNETTE!!
Jim is rarely wrong, he is wrong about The Miz tho.
I don't think he is. You're talking about a guy who many people just shut off the tv. It's called as Mr Cornette go away heat.
Lou wouldnt wast 5 rounds on this guy, one n done
To educate someone who is unfamiliar with Russo, just show them Bash At The Beach 2000. Nevermind the promo the idiot cuts, I'm speaking of the condition of the show itself. It was held together by Elmer's glue and stressed out rubber bands! And people paid to watch it!
Did you see the dark side of the ring episode of Bash At The Brawl 2000 on VICE?
Sppeldig and Rightig r over ated.
The Miz is a great heel what are they talking about?
This is an older clip, and while the Miz has always been somewhat underrated, it's only recently that he's been firing on all cylinders. She's probably talking about a feud that was fairly lackluster.
The reason Jim isn't a Miz fan is because Miz doesn't have the look of someone who could beat anybody's ass.
This is an old clip, back in the day Miz wasn't as good as he is now, this was before then
Only 5 minutes long?
WCW became the new WWF. The original WWF became a newer and refurbished WWF. The new WWF tried to emulate the newer WWF under Vince Russo. Goodbye WCW.
Just base a character after that Russo pic at the top.....I'm thinking "the million dollar mullet".
Mr. Last u r legion!!, but I love n miss alice
If not for russo, wrestling would have died
Looove Ole n his hate hate hate opinion, not sure why but seems just to real LOL honest to Satan truth
Who's the co-host? She's not as entertaining as Brian Last?
needs some (shit) Stain remover
If I were a Billionaire or billionaire plus, I’d make a wrestling promotion and put Corny in charge. Even if it’s a small promotion just to keep REAL WRESTLING alive and not this bs “Entertainment” crap.
That the reason why your not a billionaire your just a nerdy mark in the comments
TNA tried
AEW tried
Wrestling isn't just that profitable anymore
How old are these podcast clips? Didn't Alice quit in 2015?
Early 2016 and they probably upload these for new listeners
The Dude anyone got a pic of Alice ?
@@nellbowie7986 th-cam.com/video/7IDgZH0klEU/w-d-xo.html
Team cornette
Who's the co host?
0:49 😂
🎾🤓
Imagine Vince Russo walks into a room with Cornette and his eyes roll up and shit starts levitating lol.😅
Bro not only that but the way I always poop my Pampers backstage bro. The whole business has had it with my stinky diapers bro.
sounds like lillian garcia with corny
Vince Jewso never was worth a fuck in the wrestling business. I guess thats why Goldberg was ashamed to even stand near him.
STFU you pathetic loser twatwaffle
💀
A mullet AND a goatee?! Good Lord!
and hen
ifigig
Cornette just can’t get over it. He’s the only guy who won’t let it go. He’s also the only guy living in a time warp who’s worse than Vince McMahon.
At any point in time if Mr cornette wants to run for President he's got my vote definitely speaks my language
Nah he a liberal pos
He'd be better than what we have right now.
Totally on Corny side, not on Russo at all lol.
#ilovealice
Daven Watts She has a very attractive voice.
Alice was trash
@@travismcdonald6576Eh idk about attractive, sounds a bit too masculine but maybe a nice speaking voice.
someone needs to tell Jim that those aren't empty arena matches
I'd like to remind you of this comment today.
Alice speaks and I immediately I find a different Cornette video without her. It's unfortunate.
To not take the wrestling business seriously is correct
At least he didn't bring up the thoroughly debunked "McMahon filter" myth.
Despite My Better Judgement Why dontcha tell everyone just how "thoroughly" it has been debunked.
tehfawkinman If McMahon was the great filter Cornette claims he is, then what happened? Why has the show absolutely sucked for the past 15 years and pretty terrible in the era just pre Russo?
To save you the trouble of saying "They had Austin, Rock, DX, etc" remember that at different times since they have also had all those guys back to one degree or another and it wasn't near as good.
Next you may "but PG! That's why it sucks now!" - The show was PG up until early 98. Member how awesome 97 was?
Finally you may for some reason say "They're a publicly traded company now!" Last I checked they went public in 99 right in the middle of the Attitude Era.
Despite My Better Judgement You seem to be more worried about my possible rebuttals than you are about giving me anything to rebut. Well, I'll just rebut the rebuttals you tried to pigeonhole me into. 1)Yes, the talent was there, as there was in WCW when Russo was driving it into the ground. 2)PG? Yes, wrestling had pretty much always, before AE n ECW, been PG (been watching for 30 years). 3) Being publicly traded only gives an insight as to why everything came to be so scripted n sanitized. Y'know, besides Vince being a filter, you wanna know what else there were? People who knew wrestling that could take a clusterfuck of a Russo idea, n make it somewhat make sense. I know he had that in WCW, but yet n still, there wasn't somebody above him going, "what are you doing? that's TOO fucking stupid...let's take this from that n go there."
Despite My Better Judgement I forgot you also mentioned the era just pre-Russo being in the doldrums...yeah, I'm sure the steroid trial, along with the uncertainty of Vince's, hence, the WWE/F's future played no part in any of it.
All you have done there is bash Russo. You haven't explained how McMahon is this supposed excellent filter. Also the reason I brought up those points is because they are the go-to for WWE apologists/Cornette fanboys.
this lady is annoying...she's gone i guess...
DONNAR FETT of the QUANTUM CRAZE PHAZE nope
I don't know what this goofball talks about. Most of the people in the wrestling business don't despise Vince Russo. Jim Cornette obviously still can't get over the fact that both Vince McMahon (WWE) and Dixie Carter (TNA) chose Vince Russo over him when it came to Creative.
Look where that got them. Vince ran back to Cornette and Dixie annihilated TNA. It doesn't help your argument when you echo what Russo said almost verbatim.
Pugnator I thank you for giving me something to laugh at. You copied Russo's attempt at a defense so thoroughly I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to sue you for plagiarism.
Dixie chose Russo over Cornette and TNA went to shit. Is that really something to brag about?
That's like Pugnator saying to me "Bahahaha your TV show got cancelled in favor of The Happy and Crappy Show hahahah" nevermind the fact The Happy and Crappy Show staring two clowns got cancelled after 4 episodes. Yeah I really got shown didn't I? lol will Russo's Retards ever learn how to think?
I never really got a logic behind the "chose Russo over Cornette in TNA in the creative" that these guys keep yapping about because Russo was a writer in TNA while Cornette was a producer and agent....both had entirely different positions and could not be replaced by each other cuz Russo didnt agent any matches and Cornette never had the pencil to begin with so how did "Dixie choose Russo over cornette in the creative"
Mike Trough Because Cornette WAS part of the creative and Jarrett paid him extra to be an agent. Russo wanted to do his Jerry Springer shit but Cornette was in his way plus knew Dixie Carter didnt know a wristlock from a wristwatch so he banked on her taking his word because she didnt know about his WCW fiasco. Again, look what happened after Cornette was gone, TNA went to shit. Great legacy Russo fans!