Started getting into FPV with my sons about three months ago, to start we purchased 2 x King Kong Tiny 6s (+Taranis X9D). After watching this video we upgraded from BF 3.0.1 to 3.2.4 firmware and followed the Project Mockingbird guide. The transformation is simple amazing. Thx JB.
Angle mode is like traction control on a race car. Helps it go fast without spinning out. I fly my tiny whoop in angle mode indoors and acro on 2 s outside. It’s beyond my skills to run acro through my course in the house. If I use acro indoor I end up crashing a whole lot more. Lol. It’s soo much fun. Thanks again Joshua for such a great video. You got me away from the DJI stuff into fpv. It’s cheaper and way more fun. And me being a electrical engineer fixing and building them are fun I enjoy building stuff. And if you build it your gonna know how to repair it no problem. Keep it up JB!!!!
Hey JB! Hope you are feeling better! Thanks for making this video. About to get my tiny whoop beta75 brushless in the mail! I hope this works as good with the brushless beta! Keeping my fingers crossed.
Just finished tuning my acrobee beebrain v2 with project MockingBird, and i gotta say, wow what a flying difference versus the stock tune, right off the bat was able to perform faster than usual laps around my house track in angle. Impressive! I normally fly acro so this was a interesting change of pace, acro felt more responsive as well. Massive thanks to JB and Project MB! TW Setup: - BeeBrain v2 stack - Gold motors - upgraded cockroach frame - 250mah HV batteries - RakonHeli props
I actually followed the link to the Project Mockingbird doc from your original interview with Jesse and I could immediately feel the difference. I can easily zoom in and out of my dining room chairs and even a car seat handle without any issue in Angle mode now. I could never do it on Rate mode with my Whoop earlier.
The BladeInductrix Fpv was and is by far the most enjoyable of them all, I know I'll get slack for this, but I've been through my fair share of tiny whoops
Wow- Thanks! Just did this on my Betafpv 65S in Betaflight and on my Radiolink tx and what a difference it makes flying around the house! Love that throttle mix!
***PSA*** Increasing angle limit to around 75 or 80 lets you really get some speed going and still feels locked in since the strength of angle mode is so high. I've been flying on the mockingbird setup for around a month now with that minor adjustment and it's awesome!!!!
Such a cool idea. I got my first "tiny whoop" the other day to see what all the hubbub is about. It's been a ton of fun, but I couldn't get used to angle mode so I'm in airmode. Airmode can be tough indoors, so Project Mockingbird is perfect!
Dude ... thanks a lot every time I look for information about my (flying) walk in the drone and mini-drone world. I always find answers or a way to solve problems. Long live your channel !!! hugs...
Great tutorial! I set my Acrobee V2 up right along with your walk through a couple nights ago and frankly the result is astonishing. I really didn't expect it to be that dramatic. Sure enough, the thing just flies straight and fast like my TWRs but with possibly better throttle control! I can do fast whip around turns without dropping altitude much at all, and wide banking turns similarly. Really woke up the Beebrain! I also have a bunch of other whoop size quads I want to try this on now.
NICE! I've been so busy at work I haven't had a chance to do the "official" video setup version, but this is great! BTW, Joshua, for your race tomorrow, make sure you try turning OFF "RC Interpolation"...yeah, OFF! It adds another layer of precision, getting rid of that latency and brushed motors don't seem to freak out (lack of active braking??), and I've found setting D Setpoint weight and transition to 1 gives me the feel I like for racing. Looking forward to your race video, and hopefully XaviFPV blows everyone off the track. :)
This made my crazybee v1 modified blade inductrix work 1000 times better after following this! Thanks so much. I also added a 30% mix for the yaw axis and that also made a positive impact of the flight characteristics. Awesome stuff.
The Mockingbird settings improved my betafpv acro steez significantly. It feels much closer to what I'm used to in simulator now. Much thanks for the insights.
Hi Joshua, I have been playing with a similar setup on my 3" don't forget to reverse your motors. the torque on the front motors will assist in yaw so as for example rolling/banking right spools up left front motor. I have been playing with raising angle limit and lowering strength and transition.
Just bought a little quad and about to apply everything you said here. I reviewed the Mockingbird first, then found your "interpretation" of it :0) I always learn from your little nuances mentioned during the videos. Like the mixing, and absolute value of the Elevator and Aileron settings. Thank you for what you do.
Josh, thanks so much for this. I’m new to the hobby. I bought a Tiny 6 to fly in my apartment until the NY winter ends. I have been grinding away trying to learn FPV and rate mode indoors, in a 15x15 room. I was under the impression that rate mode was the way all the pros fly. It’s nice to hear that even the best fly these little guys in angle mode. I’m gonna head over to Project Mockingbird and reset mine and see how it works. I’ll leave the hardcore rate stuff until spring and hopefully a 5” quad for the summer.
TY so much for this JB!! I ended up doing this with my tinyhawk (MockingHawk?) It flies sooooooo much better than out of the box. I just changed very few settings and now it corners like it's on rails. I never thought to use the mixer to bump throttle on the pitch/roll axis. Now if I could just figure out the mixer on a Taranis for flybar helis.
I took these settings from this and applied it to my BetaFPV 65s. Seems to work as they are straight out, even though the PID's are nearly double what they were. Seems to be flying really well though, handling much better at the lower voltages. It is almost like it holds it together till the last moment, and you fall out of the sky.
Hi Josh! A very big thankyou for doing this vid as I was naiive enough to think when my DSM2/DSMX compatible QX-65 came I would be able to just bind it and fly!!! as i'm definitely not a software geek, your vid took it from something completely unflyable to being steady as a rock!
OMG, doesn't time fly. 😳 The beard that JB has now definitely suits him. It makes him look a bit tougher and meaner. I won't tell anyone that JB's a kind, Liberaly minded cool guy with a heart of gold. Your secret is safe. 😁
Just went through this setup. Flys much better than I expected and is much more predictable than before. Very close to my inductrix. Only issue that I am having is that the motors are getting crazy hot now.
Could not think of a better timing, I just began flying my Kingkong Tiny 6 a few days ago. I threw in the mockingbirds settings and yes, it flies way better! I only fly it in angle mode so I disregarded the settings for horizon and acro. I didn't set any mixing either, I prefer to do it myself when flying. But yeah, great tutorial, many thanks to you, Joshua, and to the Mockingbird project! PS: You've had this sick voice for too long, you're not taking care of yourself but you should.
King Prawno yep that’s weird, double check and if that doesn’t work, go back to your previous settings and apply the mockingbird ones, one at a time, check at each step. My tiny 6 is out of the box, shouldn’t be different from yoiurs
HOLY PROP!!!! I had so many doubts.... Well ok, I thought there will be some difference, but Oh My Joshua, this micro that I bought just freaking woke up!!!! I have Tiny6 (made by KINGKONG/LDARC) from BG and it flew ok (considering to what I expected) but: - it wasn't stable in low altitude (it was just wobbling in the turbulences) - sometimes it just got random twitches during hover - it was drifting randomly (even when I calibrated accelerometr and trimed it, it just drifted to different direction every flight) - it had relatively acceptable propwash handeling on altitude drops (but still far from perfect) After setting this Tiny6 accordingly to Project Mocking Bird, it just flies perfectly! I flashed BF to version 3.3.0 and I added third AUX switch with which I can reduce Pitch, Roll and Yaw sensitivity to 100, 50 and 30 % so I can handle it to my friends and they can control the drone because it's less sensitive with these dual rates (I didn't want to mess with those rates which are written in Project Mocking Bird because then I would have to modify throttle management in mixer of transmitter on roll and pitch... and I like to sometimes have the drone more agile).
Did the mockingbird upgrade last week and LOVE it. Vids coming soon. My eachine e010s flys so much better now, plus I upgraded the motors to the rdq 18.3k motors. They are sweet. Way More power than the stock 59000rpm motors.7mm betafpv 65s coming soon. Woo.
So I just got the Beta75 X. And I did this same setup for it. That I’ve done on all my whoops since I saw this video. Wow 😲 I think I need to tone it down a bit. Thing is crazy
I applied the Mockingbird settings to 2 BetaFPV based "whoops". They both fly better than they used to. I also applied the same to my RakonHeli "brushless whoop" and I'm having tons of fun with it :)
Frederic Jean I just did this with my betafpv whoop and I'm getting a lot of twitching when holding at level and throughout the flight. Did you experience this as well?
Tried these PIDs on a 66mm Rakonheli 2s brushless 0703 12000kv motors Super_S FC 6a 4 - in -1 ESC TBS Tiny Whoop props Absolute beast. Way more torque. Can do acro outdoors well.
Holy Cow. Do It right now! I've never flown the stock board, but these angle mode settings are amazing compared to whatever settings I was wasting my life with 25 minutes ago (I haven't really flown the new acro or horizon yet).
This feels great! great walkthrough, the yaw is a bit twitchy for me so i added a bit of expo, other than that i didnt know my whoop could feel this locked and on rails!!
I have a Tiny 6 running betaflight and I rock it in acro out side but in horizon in doors. I found that after seeing 2 different inductrix drones and the Tiny 6 kills the inductrix performance wise. It is all about knowing how to tune a brushed fc. You can go into it thinking its like a brushless. Throw that shit out of your head when tuning a whoop.
Hi, thanks for the video. I have done the mod to both my tiny ducted drones, E010 and E011 type frame, and I think the mix mod and angle rate change to linear did the trick, they both fly alot better in angle, much more floaty and more controll. I am trying to get horizon to feel more like mode 2 on a toy drone, since I use to have that tweaked pretty good, and was able to do flips and rolls better. Now it just death rolls, wich sucks. The mockingbird mod is amazing for racing, and the horizon mode feels more like angle for shure. It is a great starting point for tweaking to your own prefference
Awesome video as always. Going to give this a while on two BeeBrainV2's I have, one of which is on 65mm frame w/ 0716 motors; and the other being 75mm 0820. I suspect the mix weight will need to be reduced a little bit. We'll see!
Used to do this on my whoops with the throttle mix in angle. Only way to make em feel like a stock inductrix. Feels very similar to an Inductrix and gets that "point and go" Inductrix feeling back. I do prefer acro/air, personally. What are your thoughts on the bigger motor ducted style quads? The 7mm brushed motors are pretty great and provide that little bit of ooomph you wish even the high kv 6mm had.
I pasted in the diff all from project mocking bird, wound ip with a rapidly spinning acrobee lite. I took it back this to stock, as I don’t understand this stuff enough.
Good walk through as usual Josh. The Mockingbird setup made my aero bee fly well. I did notice that when i go into adjustments to set the rates to different modes, that choosing slot 1, 2, or 3 made no difference where the rate was on my mode switch. Rate 1 on Aux2 ( mode switch ) slot 2 aux 2 for stable mode rateprofile selection, is always at the bottom of the three position switch, rateprofile 2 middle switch, and rateprofile 3 top of the switch. I already had betaflight 3.2.3 on it, but i decided to re-flash firmware again thinking possible, something was corrupted. I ended up with the same results so for now i just went in and switched the rate profiles around so they would coincide with my mode switch position. As confusing as that all sound i was wondering if you or anyone els ran into the same issue? Thank you for all the great information you provide. I really enjoy watching your channel.
fuck yeah i have learned something today. thx jb for your video/s and shout out to the guy who figured out forgot his name you are the man! never flewn an inductrix but i know project mockingbird is the best thing that could happen to a betaflightbased fc. all the best from germany.
Remember my left hand is really stupid as I only used it to steer on the ground then maybe some rudder turns with a lot of concentration. I had a lot of trouble playing video games as steering was always on the left.(10 yrs ago)
Josh - I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on acro vs. angle in micro brushed quads. You're new to them with little prior bias, and fairly objective, and I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on the supposed advantages that you can't win a micro brushed quad race flying acro. I've been racing micro brushed for two years, and our local multiGP chapter has had every single micro brushed race in the last two years won exclusively by pilots flying acro. When you tell that to people in the Tiny Whoop community they look at your like you're crazy. I look forward to your thoughts.
Interestingly enough I am a thumbs pilot. However I found that the given angle rates were really really jittery. So I've just tried what I believe to be is a hybrid pinch, and actually dose rates make a heck of a lot of sense. I don't know if that's quite an obvious thing and I'm just late to the game but I think there might be something and this pinching business!
Hi Joshua, first, I really love your channel, awesome work! Learned a ton from your in-depth reviews and tutorials. Hope this full time thing works out for you, enjoy and good luck! On this one, are you sure the in-flight adjustment are setup correctly the way you are showing it? My understanding of how these adjustments work is that e.g. in your setup switching AUX3 to angle mode at 1000 would trigger/enable the adjustment, then the rate profile would be selected based on the AUX3 position, low (1000) -> profile 1, mid (1500) -> profile 2, high (2000) -> profile 3. In other words, the 'is in rang' turns the adjustment on, then the channel chosen as 'via channel' selects the rate profile. (Then one could save the adjustment made using stick command throttle/yaw/pitch low, roll high when disarmed, doesn't matter here we want this always on - thus the whole range could actually be selected as 'is in range'). The 'Slot' selection only matters when doing concurrent adjustments via the same channel, does not define which profile is selected. So with your modes setup of having angle at AUX3 low, you should see profile 1 being selected when enabling angle mode, but you want the linear rates configured in profile 2. Patrick had his angle mode on mid position, thus it worked for him. If angle mode is low, profile 1 should be the linear rates; if angle mode is high profile 3. I went through setting up a beecore V2 FC using Patrick's Project Mockingbird description myself recently and ran into the same issue. If I recall it right, Patrick had some comments about this in his document, too. Please correct me if I am wrong..... Greetings from Germany, Matt
Ok, good. It would fly in any case just not with the intended linear rates. Anyway, guess I am trying to say if anybody following this does not get the linear rates when flicking the switch to angle mode, it might help to swap the rate profiles. There is another video that shows it with linear rates as profile 1: th-cam.com/video/b3OR-DD5Gbc/w-d-xo.html at about 5:55. That guy has angle mode low and the linear rates in profile 1. As me he is on Spektrum, but I don’t see how that would matter as this is an FC thing. Again, thanks a lot for your content!
Great video as always! I just upgraded my Inductrix FPV Plus using the BetaFPV board with OSD for DSMX, but sorely miss "Anti-Turtle" mode! I have seen many vids for larger quads but not one for brushed motors. How does the stock board accomplish this and how can I get it back? Thanks!
I just adjusted my angle strength to 80 the other day and it made a night and day difference in angle mode. i gotta try the throttle mix with p and r that sounds interesting. dam horizon hobby with their hidden mixes.
There seems to be a misconception in the Mockingbird document and in the video regarding the adjustment tab: In order for the shown setup to work, angle mode must be on the middle position of a 3-way-switch. The specified slot on the adjustment page does not select the rate slot. Instead, the switch position chooses the rate profile with no way to influcene that. If you use a 2-way-switch for mode (as on my DX6i), you can only select between rate profile 1 and 3 as there is no middle position on the switch, regardless of the slot you specify in the adjustments screen. The slot value seems to be a technical thing for BF to distinguish different adjustments that use the same switch.
I agree with you, pointed that out earlier, see my comment. If angle is at the low end, the linear rate profile needs to be defined as profile 1. There is another video that shows it with linear rates as profile 1: th-cam.com/video/b3OR-DD5Gbc/w-d-xo.html at about 5:55.
I'm trying to understand what is going on here too. It does seem that on my X10S (running OpenTX), that no matter what I do in Betaflight, the rate profile is bound to the Aux switch, so middle position is always rate profile 2. That is fine for me, but if I wanted to have Angle mode be assigned to switch position 1 I have to set it up for Angle mode to be rate profile 1. I probably did not explain that well but for what it's worth it confused me.
Sometimes trying something new is like being on the wrong track! Tried these settings on my (very old) Eachine QX-90 and switched back to where I came from.....
Great video!! Got this set up and it rips!! QUESTION OF THE DAY?????? You brought up flying with friends is the best fun with these. New pilot question is how do you set up different channels for everyone's video so you don't get other peoples. Maybe a possible video idea???
Thumbs up! however... :) I did what is here described and I think i like my old config better. After testing the Mockingbird setup I noticed that making flips and roles with throttle injected to the roll and pitch is very difficult. Normally you need Throttle to be 0. The other thing is that I do have strong s_rates. The lack of power requires a very strong curve so that you have control in the center and full power at the edges. At least in Horizon I am rolling that back. I feel the horizon transition is IMHO way toooo low. You are touching walls and chairs all the times going over 25° and triggering the auto-level to be shoot down precisely when you most need it. But hey, I love there is movement in this direction. We know there is a lot of potential in BF for indoor little quads. I may copy this feedback to Patrick's channel. THANKS A LOT!
Hi Joshua just wondering if you'd consider doing a follow up video for this , im sure many others out there like myself would appreciate your thoughts on the results of this as you seemed slightly sceptical about a few of the settings. I've never flown an inductrix but i feel my ' tiny 6' flies pretty much spot on already (Obviously personal preference is a big factor here). Thanks
After going through this, my Kingkong Tiny-6 flies like on rails! I have the feeling that the mixer stuff should not only apply for Angle mode? Makes that sense? Anyhow Angle mode flying indoor with the Tiny-6 is perfect now - thanks Joshua to bring this to our attention!
Hey Josh, do you have a video explaining the curve functions and the symbols and what they mean? I'm new and have never got in to my taranis like that. But would love to learn.
Angle mode use in small ducted indoor quadcopters also known as tiny whoops is obvious. In Acro mode quad is very hard to stand in level - it constantly is in motion aside. Which made it very hard to control in confined spaces like rooms, narrow corridors, under furniture etc. Much easier to control in Angle mode here. And exactly angle and not Horizon because in flat race between friends on steering between furniture, flips are only a nuisance and cause of unwanted crashes. I'm flying in Angle mode with whoop indoors and don't hesitate about that. At outdoors I'm flying in Acro. Did you or Mr. Perkins tried to tune Silverware in whoops? I have three BWhoop B03 Pro flashed with Silverware. Cool little fellas, with Silverware they got also Acro and bayang telemetry. However if they can be made even better, I'm in.
I really wish, and looking for a micro quad that does freestyle in acromode but still is super light and non damaging in indoor environment with prop protection. Also brushless motors. Not going back to brushed and their constant expense of replacement. Something that runs 2S. Was looking at those 20mm F4FC+4/1ESC+VTX. Am I asking the impossible?
Been trying to get this BeeBrain & BeeCore to work better. I'll give Project Mockingbird a try because these birds were almost tossed out the back window in the pond last week. The Stuggle is Real on these whoops.
Goose Thanks for the invite! Just subscribe! Iam on the NewBeeDrone site now trying to get V2. The Cockroach frame waiting at home for it to arrive. I'll grab a couple more frames... (Well maybe??... IF MY WALLET NAZI SAY I CAN...LOL)
I have the BeeBrain V2 and fly it stock as well. You'll love it, I just won a Tiny Whoop race last night with it, I just posted a video on my YT page, you can check it out to see how it flies.
Yeah I don't have any problem at all flying the V2 stock and have been since the week the first Spektrum units were released. But after setting one of my two up with these Mockingbird PIDs 3 days ago, this will almost certainly be my standard setup going forward.
Started getting into FPV with my sons about three months ago, to start we purchased 2 x King Kong Tiny 6s (+Taranis X9D). After watching this video we upgraded from BF 3.0.1 to 3.2.4 firmware and followed the Project Mockingbird guide. The transformation is simple amazing. Thx JB.
I gotten tiny 7 and tiny 7x. Would you recommend to do all the changes? I am sceptical about turning off the filters. Shorter motor life?
Angle mode is like traction control on a race car. Helps it go fast without spinning out. I fly my tiny whoop in angle mode indoors and acro on 2 s outside. It’s beyond my skills to run acro through my course in the house. If I use acro indoor I end up crashing a whole lot more. Lol. It’s soo much fun. Thanks again Joshua for such a great video. You got me away from the DJI stuff into fpv. It’s cheaper and way more fun. And me being a electrical engineer fixing and building them are fun I enjoy building stuff. And if you build it your gonna know how to repair it no problem. Keep it up JB!!!!
Hey JB! Hope you are feeling better! Thanks for making this video. About to get my tiny whoop beta75 brushless in the mail! I hope this works as good with the brushless beta! Keeping my fingers crossed.
I'm loving these nearly everyday uploads! It's been great to have you full time.
I hate to say it, but i've been uploading nearly daily for over 2 years.
Lol
+Joshua Bardwell how can u do that?
These settings work sooo well! Thanks for the walk through. I even learned about a few tricks I didn't know my Taranis could do.
Just finished tuning my acrobee beebrain v2 with project MockingBird, and i gotta say, wow what a flying difference versus the stock tune, right off the bat was able to perform faster than usual laps around my house track in angle. Impressive! I normally fly acro so this was a interesting change of pace, acro felt more responsive as well. Massive thanks to JB and Project MB!
TW Setup:
- BeeBrain v2 stack
- Gold motors
- upgraded cockroach frame
- 250mah HV batteries
- RakonHeli props
I actually followed the link to the Project Mockingbird doc from your original interview with Jesse and I could immediately feel the difference. I can easily zoom in and out of my dining room chairs and even a car seat handle without any issue in Angle mode now. I could never do it on Rate mode with my Whoop earlier.
The BladeInductrix Fpv was and is by far the most enjoyable of them all, I know I'll get slack for this, but I've been through my fair share of tiny whoops
Man, the mockingbird setup is awesome, I have had it setup on mine for two weeks and have loved it. It honestly helped lock in my flying
Thanks for the link in your whoop interview video, I set this up last weekend and my micro-brushed is now fun again. 😁
Wow- Thanks! Just did this on my Betafpv 65S in Betaflight and on my Radiolink tx and what a difference it makes flying around the house! Love that throttle mix!
***PSA*** Increasing angle limit to around 75 or 80 lets you really get some speed going and still feels locked in since the strength of angle mode is so high. I've been flying on the mockingbird setup for around a month now with that minor adjustment and it's awesome!!!!
Such a cool idea. I got my first "tiny whoop" the other day to see what all the hubbub is about. It's been a ton of fun, but I couldn't get used to angle mode so I'm in airmode. Airmode can be tough indoors, so Project Mockingbird is perfect!
Dude ... thanks a lot every time I look for information about my (flying) walk in the drone and mini-drone world. I always find answers or a way to solve problems. Long live your channel !!! hugs...
Glad it's helping!
Great tutorial! I set my Acrobee V2 up right along with your walk through a couple nights ago and frankly the result is astonishing. I really didn't expect it to be that dramatic. Sure enough, the thing just flies straight and fast like my TWRs but with possibly better throttle control! I can do fast whip around turns without dropping altitude much at all, and wide banking turns similarly. Really woke up the Beebrain! I also have a bunch of other whoop size quads I want to try this on now.
NICE! I've been so busy at work I haven't had a chance to do the "official" video setup version, but this is great!
BTW, Joshua, for your race tomorrow, make sure you try turning OFF "RC Interpolation"...yeah, OFF! It adds another layer of precision, getting rid of that latency and brushed motors don't seem to freak out (lack of active braking??), and I've found setting D Setpoint weight and transition to 1 gives me the feel I like for racing.
Looking forward to your race video, and hopefully XaviFPV blows everyone off the track. :)
Well unfortunately, HeadsUpFPV was there that day, so he pretty much blew us all off the track.
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Thanks JB. I heard about Mockingbird from your interview with Jesse and loaded it up straight away. Had my best flights since !
This made my crazybee v1 modified blade inductrix work 1000 times better after following this! Thanks so much. I also added a 30% mix for the yaw axis and that also made a positive impact of the flight characteristics. Awesome stuff.
The Mockingbird settings improved my betafpv acro steez significantly. It feels much closer to what I'm used to in simulator now. Much thanks for the insights.
Perfect timing Joshua - I just fitted a furibee f3 32bit f/c into my boldclash B03 today. Can't wait to try this - thanks a bunch
Hi Joshua, I have been playing with a similar setup on my 3" don't forget to reverse your motors. the torque on the front motors will assist in yaw so as for example rolling/banking right spools up left front motor. I have been playing with raising angle limit and lowering strength and transition.
Just bought a little quad and about to apply everything you said here. I reviewed the Mockingbird first, then found your "interpretation" of it :0) I always learn from your little nuances mentioned during the videos. Like the mixing, and absolute value of the Elevator and Aileron settings. Thank you for what you do.
Wow! I copied those settings directly onto my BetaFpv 75. I use a 450 mah HV Lipo. This is amazing now. It has never flown so well. Thanks :)
Josh, thanks so much for this. I’m new to the hobby. I bought a Tiny 6 to fly in my apartment until the NY winter ends. I have been grinding away trying to learn FPV and rate mode indoors, in a 15x15 room. I was under the impression that rate mode was the way all the pros fly. It’s nice to hear that even the best fly these little guys in angle mode. I’m gonna head over to Project Mockingbird and reset mine and see how it works. I’ll leave the hardcore rate stuff until spring and hopefully a 5” quad for the summer.
Made WthRealChz let me know how you get on dude I have the same whoop 😊
Tried theses settings on my Makerfire65. Now it flies may much better! Thank you for the walk through and Project Mockingbird!!
TY so much for this JB!! I ended up doing this with my tinyhawk (MockingHawk?) It flies sooooooo much better than out of the box. I just changed very few settings and now it corners like it's on rails. I never thought to use the mixer to bump throttle on the pitch/roll axis. Now if I could just figure out the mixer on a Taranis for flybar helis.
I took these settings from this and applied it to my BetaFPV 65s. Seems to work as they are straight out, even though the PID's are nearly double what they were. Seems to be flying really well though, handling much better at the lower voltages. It is almost like it holds it together till the last moment, and you fall out of the sky.
Thanks so much, I tried to do this 2 weeks ago and got lost on page 10..This was so much better.. Great job
never mind Joshua i watched ur tiny whoop accelerometer video and its al good now. thank u
Yep, this is a page in the books, BAM! Thanks Joshua!
Hi Josh! A very big thankyou for doing this vid as I was naiive enough to think when my DSM2/DSMX compatible QX-65 came I would be able to just bind it and fly!!! as i'm definitely not a software geek, your vid took it from something completely unflyable to being steady as a rock!
Catching up on my YT subs this weekend... What a fine instructional video! Thanks for posting such valuable content!
Mega awsome video. Thanks, can't wait to test it out, on both my whoops. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks to Project Mockingbird for this.
OMG, doesn't time fly. 😳 The beard that JB has now definitely suits him. It makes him look a bit tougher and meaner. I won't tell anyone that JB's a kind, Liberaly minded cool guy with a heart of gold. Your secret is safe. 😁
I'm just getting in to all this and I'm pretty excited to try this out on my Q7!! Thanks!
I just did it and it flies great. Nuff respect
Worked great on my newbee whoop also...thanks jb , tried to come fly at brooks run when u was in atl but had to work....thanks again
this video should get an award
Just went through this setup. Flys much better than I expected and is much more predictable than before. Very close to my inductrix. Only issue that I am having is that the motors are getting crazy hot now.
Could not think of a better timing, I just began flying my Kingkong Tiny 6 a few days ago.
I threw in the mockingbirds settings and yes, it flies way better!
I only fly it in angle mode so I disregarded the settings for horizon and acro.
I didn't set any mixing either, I prefer to do it myself when flying.
But yeah, great tutorial, many thanks to you, Joshua, and to the Mockingbird project!
PS: You've had this sick voice for too long, you're not taking care of yourself but you should.
La Julasse I must have done something wrong as my tiny 6 flies like crap after following the guide. Will need to check the settings.
King Prawno yep that’s weird, double check and if that doesn’t work, go back to your previous settings and apply the mockingbird ones, one at a time, check at each step.
My tiny 6 is out of the box, shouldn’t be different from yoiurs
HOLY PROP!!!! I had so many doubts.... Well ok, I thought there will be some difference, but Oh My Joshua, this micro that I bought just freaking woke up!!!!
I have Tiny6 (made by KINGKONG/LDARC) from BG and it flew ok (considering to what I expected) but:
- it wasn't stable in low altitude (it was just wobbling in the turbulences)
- sometimes it just got random twitches during hover
- it was drifting randomly (even when I calibrated accelerometr and trimed it, it just drifted to different direction every flight)
- it had relatively acceptable propwash handeling on altitude drops (but still far from perfect)
After setting this Tiny6 accordingly to Project Mocking Bird, it just flies perfectly! I flashed BF to version 3.3.0 and I added third AUX switch with which I can reduce Pitch, Roll and Yaw sensitivity to 100, 50 and 30 % so I can handle it to my friends and they can control the drone because it's less sensitive with these dual rates (I didn't want to mess with those rates which are written in Project Mocking Bird because then I would have to modify throttle management in mixer of transmitter on roll and pitch... and I like to sometimes have the drone more agile).
I have a tiny 7. And tiny 7x. Would you recommend me to copy all the changes?
Did the mockingbird upgrade last week and LOVE it. Vids coming soon. My eachine e010s flys so much better now, plus I upgraded the motors to the rdq 18.3k motors. They are sweet. Way More power than the stock 59000rpm motors.7mm betafpv 65s coming soon. Woo.
Thank you for the walk through! I’ve been meaning to read that document all day!! I just ordered a Betaflight board so will be trying this out!
Awesome walk through!! Big ups to JB and Project Mockingbird!
hc 100 want to check out mine?
th-cam.com/video/b3OR-DD5Gbc/w-d-xo.html
change ur pic
Thanks for all you do for this hobby.
Tried this out on a Tiny6 and it works great!
I cleared my throat like 30 times for you throughout this video
Tried this on my qx90c out in 10-15 mph wind and it flew awesome.
So I just got the Beta75 X. And I did this same setup for it. That I’ve done on all my whoops since I saw this video. Wow 😲 I think I need to tone it down a bit. Thing is crazy
I allways learn something when i watch your videos :) good work man keep it up
I applied the Mockingbird settings to 2 BetaFPV based "whoops". They both fly better than they used to. I also applied the same to my RakonHeli "brushless whoop" and I'm having tons of fun with it :)
Frederic Jean I just did this with my betafpv whoop and I'm getting a lot of twitching when holding at level and throughout the flight. Did you experience this as well?
Todd Ackerman it is flying solid for me.
Frederic Jean rewatched and I think I turned off filters in angle mode when they should still be on. Thank you for your reply
Let me know how it goes.
Frederic Jean it worked! Who know following the steps correctly would work.
Thanks Bardwell. It just started raining in California and I’m dusting off my BeeBrain V2!!
Tried these PIDs on a 66mm Rakonheli 2s brushless 0703 12000kv motors
Super_S FC
6a 4 - in -1 ESC
TBS Tiny Whoop props
Absolute beast. Way more torque. Can do acro outdoors well.
Holy Cow. Do It right now! I've never flown the stock board, but these angle mode settings are amazing compared to whatever settings I was wasting my life with 25 minutes ago (I haven't really flown the new acro or horizon yet).
That throttle-roll mix thingy is a feature in Openpilot/Librepilot called Cruise Control.
This feels great! great walkthrough, the yaw is a bit twitchy for me so i added a bit of expo, other than that i didnt know my whoop could feel this locked and on rails!!
What a great idea
Will try it on my qx95 too
Many thanks Joshua
Thanks for the knowledge. Step by step vids are awesome for the newbie 🤙🏽
I have a Tiny 6 running betaflight and I rock it in acro out side but in horizon in doors. I found that after seeing 2 different inductrix drones and the Tiny 6 kills the inductrix performance wise. It is all about knowing how to tune a brushed fc. You can go into it thinking its like a brushless. Throw that shit out of your head when tuning a whoop.
Great job on the walk-through setting all that up thank you very much
This is great. Glad I found this. Its alot more responsive now.
This is perfect. Just finished my beecore v2 build
Going to try this out on my brushless betaflight whoop. I'll let you know how it works out
Thank you very much, after changing setup my whoop fly awesome!
Hi, thanks for the video. I have done the mod to both my tiny ducted drones, E010 and E011 type frame, and I think the mix mod and angle rate change to linear did the trick, they both fly alot better in angle, much more floaty and more controll. I am trying to get horizon to feel more like mode 2 on a toy drone, since I use to have that tweaked pretty good, and was able to do flips and rolls better. Now it just death rolls, wich sucks. The mockingbird mod is amazing for racing, and the horizon mode feels more like angle for shure. It is a great starting point for tweaking to your own prefference
I’m renaming this video “Joshua Bardwell teaches me how to program my taranis” because wow, I just finally got how the mixer works!
Marc Wasserman .
Lol i have the same feeling too.
When i was watching this movie.
Thanks too !!
1 year after and boom, same here, finally got how mixers work!! Thank you Joshua!
I haven’t watched the whole thing yet and I know I’ll get to learn about mixers just by the comments!!! Dig it!
I’m gonna try this when I get home, thanks for the video
Nice work jb, we're just getting into racing these thank-you
looking forward to tomorrow thankyou JB
Good stuff here. I'm planning to do a Mockingbird setup on my other mini.
@Joshua Bardwell
my guess is that it does not have active braking and without active braking it is very difficult to overheat the motors.
Awesome video as always. Going to give this a while on two BeeBrainV2's I have, one of which is on 65mm frame w/ 0716 motors; and the other being 75mm 0820. I suspect the mix weight will need to be reduced a little bit. We'll see!
*give this a whirl
Used to do this on my whoops with the throttle mix in angle. Only way to make em feel like a stock inductrix. Feels very similar to an Inductrix and gets that "point and go" Inductrix feeling back. I do prefer acro/air, personally. What are your thoughts on the bigger motor ducted style quads? The 7mm brushed motors are pretty great and provide that little bit of ooomph you wish even the high kv 6mm had.
I pasted in the diff all from project mocking bird, wound ip with a rapidly spinning acrobee lite. I took it back this to stock, as I don’t understand this stuff enough.
Good walk through as usual Josh. The Mockingbird setup made my aero bee fly well. I did notice that when i go into adjustments to set the rates to different modes, that choosing slot 1, 2, or 3 made no difference where the rate was on my mode switch. Rate 1 on Aux2 ( mode switch ) slot 2 aux 2 for stable mode rateprofile selection, is always at the bottom of the three position switch, rateprofile 2 middle switch, and rateprofile 3 top of the switch. I already had betaflight 3.2.3 on it, but i decided to re-flash firmware again thinking possible, something was corrupted. I ended up with the same results so for now i just went in and switched the rate profiles around so they would coincide with my mode switch position. As confusing as that all sound i was wondering if you or anyone els ran into the same issue?
Thank you for all the great information you provide. I really enjoy watching your channel.
fuck yeah i have learned something today. thx jb for your video/s and shout out to the guy who figured out forgot his name you are the man! never flewn an inductrix but i know project mockingbird is the best thing that could happen to a betaflightbased fc. all the best from germany.
Remember my left hand is really stupid as I only used it to steer on the ground then maybe some rudder turns with a lot of concentration. I had a lot of trouble playing video games as steering was always on the left.(10 yrs ago)
Josh - I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on acro vs. angle in micro brushed quads. You're new to them with little prior bias, and fairly objective, and I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on the supposed advantages that you can't win a micro brushed quad race flying acro. I've been racing micro brushed for two years, and our local multiGP chapter has had every single micro brushed race in the last two years won exclusively by pilots flying acro. When you tell that to people in the Tiny Whoop community they look at your like you're crazy. I look forward to your thoughts.
Just tried it, holy cow it flies good.
Niiice, used the Project Mockingbird set up on my Bee Brain v2 (used the new recommendations for Thr adjust via cli commands). Butter...
I am going to do this when my betaflight inductrix arrives that JB.
Interestingly enough I am a thumbs pilot. However I found that the given angle rates were really really jittery. So I've just tried what I believe to be is a hybrid pinch, and actually dose rates make a heck of a lot of sense.
I don't know if that's quite an obvious thing and I'm just late to the game but I think there might be something and this pinching business!
I am totally ready to try this. I would love to here how the betaflight flew for you after before i go forward. Are you doing a follow up?
Hi Joshua,
first, I really love your channel, awesome work! Learned a ton from your in-depth reviews and tutorials. Hope this full time thing works out for you, enjoy and good luck!
On this one, are you sure the in-flight adjustment are setup correctly the way you are showing it? My understanding of how these adjustments work is that e.g. in your setup switching AUX3 to angle mode at 1000 would trigger/enable the adjustment, then the rate profile would be selected based on the AUX3 position, low (1000) -> profile 1, mid (1500) -> profile 2, high (2000) -> profile 3. In other words, the 'is in rang' turns the adjustment on, then the channel chosen as 'via channel' selects the rate profile. (Then one could save the adjustment made using stick command throttle/yaw/pitch low, roll high when disarmed, doesn't matter here we want this always on - thus the whole range could actually be selected as 'is in range'). The 'Slot' selection only matters when doing concurrent adjustments via the same channel, does not define which profile is selected.
So with your modes setup of having angle at AUX3 low, you should see profile 1 being selected when enabling angle mode, but you want the linear rates configured in profile 2. Patrick had his angle mode on mid position, thus it worked for him. If angle mode is low, profile 1 should be the linear rates; if angle mode is high profile 3.
I went through setting up a beecore V2 FC using Patrick's Project Mockingbird description myself recently and ran into the same issue. If I recall it right, Patrick had some comments about this in his document, too.
Please correct me if I am wrong.....
Greetings from Germany,
Matt
I set mine up exactly as I show in the video, and it works.
Ok, good. It would fly in any case just not with the intended linear rates.
Anyway, guess I am trying to say if anybody following this does not get the linear rates when flicking the switch to angle mode, it might help to swap the rate profiles. There is another video that shows it with linear rates as profile 1: th-cam.com/video/b3OR-DD5Gbc/w-d-xo.html at about 5:55. That guy has angle mode low and the linear rates in profile 1. As me he is on Spektrum, but I don’t see how that would matter as this is an FC thing.
Again, thanks a lot for your content!
Great video as always! I just upgraded my Inductrix FPV Plus using the BetaFPV board with OSD for DSMX, but sorely miss "Anti-Turtle" mode! I have seen many vids for larger quads but not one for brushed motors. How does the stock board accomplish this and how can I get it back? Thanks!
We have race night at my local hobby store and the 2 guys the win all the time by a huge amount are flying acro
I just adjusted my angle strength to 80 the other day and it made a night and day difference in angle mode. i gotta try the throttle mix with p and r that sounds interesting. dam horizon hobby with their hidden mixes.
There seems to be a misconception in the Mockingbird document and in the video regarding the adjustment tab: In order for the shown setup to work, angle mode must be on the middle position of a 3-way-switch. The specified slot on the adjustment page does not select the rate slot. Instead, the switch position chooses the rate profile with no way to influcene that. If you use a 2-way-switch for mode (as on my DX6i), you can only select between rate profile 1 and 3 as there is no middle position on the switch, regardless of the slot you specify in the adjustments screen. The slot value seems to be a technical thing for BF to distinguish different adjustments that use the same switch.
I agree with you, pointed that out earlier, see my comment. If angle is at the low end, the linear rate profile needs to be defined as profile 1. There is another video that shows it with linear rates as profile 1: th-cam.com/video/b3OR-DD5Gbc/w-d-xo.html at about 5:55.
I'm trying to understand what is going on here too. It does seem that on my X10S (running OpenTX), that no matter what I do in Betaflight, the rate profile is bound to the Aux switch, so middle position is always rate profile 2. That is fine for me, but if I wanted to have Angle mode be assigned to switch position 1 I have to set it up for Angle mode to be rate profile 1. I probably did not explain that well but for what it's worth it confused me.
Sometimes trying something new is like being on the wrong track!
Tried these settings on my (very old) Eachine QX-90 and switched back to where I came from.....
Great video!! Got this set up and it rips!!
QUESTION OF THE DAY??????
You brought up flying with friends is the best fun with these. New pilot question is how do you set up different channels for everyone's video so you don't get other peoples. Maybe a possible video idea???
th-cam.com/video/uBKajwUM5v4/w-d-xo.html
Joshua Bardwell holy crap!!!!! I am going to learn something today!!! Thanks!!!
Gonna try that tonight! Thanks a lot!
Wonder if this will work for brushless ‘whoops’ 🤔. I’ll have to try. Good post👍
Thumbs up! however... :) I did what is here described and I think i like my old config better. After testing the Mockingbird setup I noticed that making flips and roles with throttle injected to the roll and pitch is very difficult. Normally you need Throttle to be 0. The other thing is that I do have strong s_rates. The lack of power requires a very strong curve so that you have control in the center and full power at the edges. At least in Horizon I am rolling that back.
I feel the horizon transition is IMHO way toooo low. You are touching walls and chairs all the times going over 25° and triggering the auto-level to be shoot down precisely when you most need it.
But hey, I love there is movement in this direction. We know there is a lot of potential in BF for indoor little quads. I may copy this feedback to Patrick's channel.
THANKS A LOT!
Hi Joshua just wondering if you'd consider doing a follow up video for this , im sure many others out there like myself would appreciate your thoughts on the results of this as you seemed slightly sceptical about a few of the settings. I've never flown an inductrix but i feel my ' tiny 6' flies pretty much spot on already (Obviously personal preference is a big factor here). Thanks
It's a big improvement for almost everybody who tries it.
After going through this, my Kingkong Tiny-6 flies like on rails! I have the feeling that the mixer stuff should not only apply for Angle mode? Makes that sense? Anyhow Angle mode flying indoor with the Tiny-6 is perfect now - thanks Joshua to bring this to our attention!
Correct. The custom mixing stuff is only for Angle mode.
Hey Josh, do you have a video explaining the curve functions and the symbols and what they mean? I'm new and have never got in to my taranis like that. But would love to learn.
Very interesting, thanks for the video. Just wondering how what looks like a greenish mouthwash bottle is levitating over your left shoulder?
Angle mode use in small ducted indoor quadcopters also known as tiny whoops is obvious. In Acro mode quad is very hard to stand in level - it constantly is in motion aside. Which made it very hard to control in confined spaces like rooms, narrow corridors, under furniture etc. Much easier to control in Angle mode here. And exactly angle and not Horizon because in flat race between friends on steering between furniture, flips are only a nuisance and cause of unwanted crashes. I'm flying in Angle mode with whoop indoors and don't hesitate about that. At outdoors I'm flying in Acro.
Did you or Mr. Perkins tried to tune Silverware in whoops? I have three BWhoop B03 Pro flashed with Silverware. Cool little fellas, with Silverware they got also Acro and bayang telemetry. However if they can be made even better, I'm in.
I really wish, and looking for a micro quad that does freestyle in acromode but still is super light and non damaging in indoor environment with prop protection. Also brushless motors. Not going back to brushed and their constant expense of replacement. Something that runs 2S. Was looking at those 20mm F4FC+4/1ESC+VTX. Am I asking the impossible?
Been trying to get this BeeBrain & BeeCore to work better. I'll give Project Mockingbird a try because these birds were almost tossed out the back window in the pond last week. The Stuggle is Real on these whoops.
I'm of the same mind
Goose Thanks for the invite! Just subscribe! Iam on the NewBeeDrone site now trying to get V2. The Cockroach frame waiting at home for it to arrive. I'll grab a couple more frames... (Well maybe??... IF MY WALLET NAZI SAY I CAN...LOL)
I have the BeeBrain V2 and fly it stock as well. You'll love it, I just won a Tiny Whoop race last night with it, I just posted a video on my YT page, you can check it out to see how it flies.
Yeah I don't have any problem at all flying the V2 stock and have been since the week the first Spektrum units were released. But after setting one of my two up with these Mockingbird PIDs 3 days ago, this will almost certainly be my standard setup going forward.