One of the many things I like about this film version is that it doesn't try to be sleek and futuristic, like some more modern dystopias (and even the 1950s adaptations of 1984). Rather, it is a decaying world that will never leave the 1940s. Every shot is utterly believable as the world of Orwell's book.
Which makes sense. In a totalitarian government, innovation barely exists. Compare the cars made by communists to the cars made by Chrysler or ford at that time.
Yes in Orwell's vision the world of 1984 is sort of a permanent Second World War that will never end. The main difference between the world of 1984 as compared to that of WW II is that the main democracies of the 1940s, the US, Britain and the Commonwealth countries have been fused into one Super state that is as totalitarian as the other two Super states, Eurasia ( The Soviet Union) and East Asia (China and Japan).
I find it so amazing how they managed to ACTUALLY COMPOSE the oceania anthem from Orwell's description. It seems like they captured what Orwell was hearing in his inner ear to the T
@@ericadolphus9569 not quite right, he was never trying to show any sort of political ideology, it was always meant to be a generally authoritarian depiction
Vladimir , yup. I read the book. Book seems much better than the movie. I liked the part where it mentioned how Winston liked his work and was good at that, in spite of who he was working for and what his work was being used for.
coralarch , Ingsoc didn't believe in objective reality anyways, but the war was real in the physical sense because it forced scarcity on the people while keeping them productive. But, I think that most of the fighting was done by special forces. The average citizen really didn't see combat. Which makes it slightly unrealistic, in my opinion, because I don't think that only hearing news about the war made it real for most people. Having themselves experience war, or knowing people who have makes it real and easier for someone to make you tolerate scarcity.
The soldiers look good because they are fed well. If they were weak, they would fail in their objective of protecting the inner party members when the Outer party rises in defiance of Big Brother.
This happened in real life. When Stalin gave speeches, the whole audience would cheer and applaud and no one wanted to be the first one to stop, so they had a bell to give the audience permission to stop.
I think the most powerful part of reading 1984 for me was that while dissent was quelled by killing those who were the first to stop metaphorically clapping, the system was upheld by those who clapped because they genuinely wanted to
Okay no ones talking about how good the music is. The music when Winston is looking through the dictionary, with the telescreen blaring is perfect. It sounds so inspirational and positive, making you feel kind of eerie
The music is by Eurythmics. Edit: Oops I forgot to mention Dominic Muldowney too. It seems there is/was a bit of a controversy using the Eurythmics music in the movie.
One detail a few others spotted is that on the third “Oceania” in the anthem at the end, the voices blend in to the instruments and almost sound like screams of agony. It’s pretty cool how this presents the idea that the voices are but instruments serving the greater song.
Here’s a brilliant visual that the movie brings to light that I don’t think others have spotted. The traditional salute of Oceanians stands for two things: resembles a “V” for victory and when a person is chained by their hands to the ceiling, being held in bondage and captivity as a prisoner, further demonstrating the eternal slavery the people face under Ingsoc
@@chalkwizard1292 At least not by Winston's hands alone nor will it fall within his lifetime even if he hadn't been executed at the end of the book. Still, nothing lasts forever, not even the party.......
Wow, good point. Maybe it's a bit far-fetched, but from your explanation, it can even visually represent the sentence 'freedom is slavery'. As for the party falling, I do agree it's impossible as Winston's victory, or an individual's victory, but the Appendix being written in past tense, I do believe means Orwell's hint that it did fall eventually. However, in the sense that, as O'Brien says, 'no one comes to power with the intention to give it up' (like Animal Farm showed), the Party can indeed be seen as eternal, meaning that any authority is the Party eventually.
@@srbrant5391 he actually was. BUT and this is the important part, was anti authoritarian and had an understanding that any political party or any system of beliefs can end up in a dystopian nightmare.
@@srbrant5391 Clearly there is NO link to Communism here. No reference to the abolition of private property at all, comerade. It's RIDICULOUS on it's face to suggest the party is a collective ruling over the proletarian. Collective housing is a known far right policy.
Sadly the inner party social engineers (and their real life comparisons) are are correct on the Proles: they are incompetent of any successful rebellion and can be given a level of freedom. Who has been chosen in Oceania (the West) as the Proles? Blacks/Sub Saharan African stock and half breeds, and if you have experience with these people you will know the collective intelligence is not there for anything beyond very basic needs and wants. Planning ahead or critical thinking is generally devoid. The only difference is in the book the Proles are described as hard working.
It's uncanny! I mean Ingsoc demonize their opponents as unthinking, brainwashed hate mongers and criminals, and so does [political party/belief I don't like]!
I'd attend, in case my absence were noted and some goons came to drag me off to Miniluv. Also, because screaming at POWs would really be screaming my frustration with this awful regime. It's a safety valve which BB exploited.
I love the imagery of the flags marching proudly paraded in front of shots of a rubbleized city. The soldiers parading as if victorious with their hands up and crossed as if surrendering. This scene is so perfect.
Natalie Animal, me too. Totalitarian societies can arise from any form of government that seeks to control the people, capitalists and socialists alike. I will never trust politicians, corporations, or organized religion. I reject any sense of nationalism or fealty to my country, my only loyalty is to humanity and my loved ones. I bow to no one, I seek no heaven, I fear no hell, and my only purpose in life is that which I define for myself. Up with humanity, down with Big Brother!
Nathanael Bean Thanks, I'm glad you pointed out the dangers of labeling oneself in any way, be it a political view, a nationality, even things like music taste or who you support in sports. Finally someone understands what I mean when I say nationalism is a bad idea; after all, the division into nations is artificial, not a natural diversity. And I'm certainly glad there is so much diversity in the world. I have my own attitudes about things, but I don't simply label it with allegiance to just one thing, because that eventually turns into something like Ingsoc here. Exactly as you said, when it becomes an institution, religion instead of faith, nation instead of culture, then...
Dems: THIS IS LIKE TRUMP, BAH, TRUMP IS HITLER Reps: THIS IS LIKE SJWS, COMMUNIST-SOCIALISTS AND DEMS! Cents: THIS IS LIKE BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT, SEE WHAT HAPPENS? Green: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT! Libes: TAXATION IS TYRANNY! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! WE SHALL LIVE ON OUR OWN, EVERYONE SHOULD BE SELF-MADE!
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@@Lachausis You do realize that the socialist portion of the nazi party was purged during the night of the long knives right? Hell, the socialists were one of the first that ended up in the concentration camps.
People watch this movie and read the book and think that something like this could never possibly happen. But we've seen very similar in Germany in the 30's and 40's and the Soviet Union. A society like this isn't impossible and the warning signs should be looked for very carefully
North Korea is essentially a real life example of this movie already tbh since they make people there believe stuff about the Kims we’d normally consider as ridiculous lies
2:39 The shot of the tank moving and firing was well-matched with the chorus of the national anthem. The combined audio-visual experience calls to mind the stupidity of Ingsoc ideology and the futility of the so-called war.
thats why its genius, but it is futile. all of their effort in the factories, all of their sacrafices are utterly futile in both the short and long term. insoc never actually wanted to win or lose the war but they do want it to continue on. hell youre not even sure if the war or eurasia or easasia are real at all. power and the continuation with power for powers sake at any cost was always the objective. the war may not be real. but its real to the outer party members, its real to the proles and thats what matters and because the war is real in their heads they will always give up anything and do anything to surivive. freedom through slavery.
@@fubartotale3389what a retard thing to say, it's a great reading what's the problem on loving It? Cunts like you who dictade rules are the fucking worst
But they are serve in hell. They are the big guns, but they also have inhuman rules and all too easy for them to be the receiving side of Big Brother's dick.
Of course! Proles and animals are free! All the beer, football, gambling, and porn we want, as long as we keep our heads down and keep ourselves distracted!
@OVOD.net You wouldn't live for 10-20 years. As an outer party member, if the shit quality of food doesn't kill you or you're not getting framed with something by your neighbours, a suspicious flinch on your face or a wrong word will do. As a prole, your life would still suck, but as long as you're not smart, you could freely eat shit.
Excellently worded! An efficient way to express the feelings I relate to a lot, which I couldn't find how to do myself, but this is pretty much it. It points out an issue people often face when it comes to their governments, and mine is definitely among them: the thing is they're trying to create the idea that country=government, and that anyone who's opposed to anything about the government is against their country, hence doesn't wish well to their own people- a traitor. On quite a few occassions our politicians, especially the president, would reply to critics of them with 'So, you are against our country'.
@@natalieanimal4063 Those 2 are definitely separated, but if one just keeps craping on the bases of a country or lie about it constantly, they'd probably hate the country too. But conflation of such is often used by the ruling class to maintain power too.
@@Nathan-jh1ho True...that's more or less some sort of conditioning, aka linking an idea to something unpleasant so that we'd hate the idea too, for what it reminds us of. It's good to take into account what you say when talking to someone who thinks that way. Likewise, this hate has two versions too. One can hate a country, but be (willing to become) aware it's the product of conditioning (that country's government's actions, wars, unpleasant experiences related to it etc). Or one can embrace a deep hatred for every person coming from that country. I know of a man who had bad experience during WW2 because of which he felt terrible when someone spoke German and wouldn't communicate with them. This is valid and different from actually wishing death upon anyone from Germany because of WW2, which I saw too. However I'm afraid what I'm saying could be taken differently had I taken another language instead of German as a modern example (not by you, as I see you're making sense, but...people).
I was like others, I thought things weren’t as bad as they are in 1984 That was until I was arrested for drinking and driving This book tried to warn me, I didn’t listen, how did we let society become this? This reminds me of every anti drink driving person I’ve ever seen
Orwell clearly meant 1984 as a cautionary tale of the end result of leftist politics. Read it in conjunction with Animal Farm. He was not talking about Nazism, although there are clear similarities between nazis and communists. As to who it applies to today, just look at which faction is most in favor of censorship and changing the meaning of words.
Part of me would like to see this remade even thought there is no real valid reason to do so. It would be nice to see it redone with updated special effects but then again they probably would skip out on the talent and not get actors with the caliber of Burton and Hurt.
the speech at the bginning resonates so strongly with the current events in Ukraine/Russia, it's so scary and unbelievable that instead of "never happening again" it would play out and occur so verbatim on screens worldwide.... what can save us from this insanity?
Here is national anthem. 1984: Oceania - 'Tis for Thee Original book by George Orwell. The lyrics: Strong and Peaceful, wise and brave; Fighting the fight for the whole world to save. We the people will ceaselessly strive To keep our great revolution alive. Unfurl the banners, look at the screen; Never before has such glory been seen. Oceania, Oceania, Oceania, 'tis for thee. Every deed, Every thought, 'tis for thee. Every deed, Every thought... ...'tis for thee.
It reminds me of the so-called 'Hate Week' rallies of Stalinist Russia during the 1930s and the war years of the 1940s. The Oceanic army wears Soviet Army styled uniforms with the exact same steel helmets, only they are painted black. Just like the rallys of the so-called 'Great Patriotic War' (the name the Soviet Union used to describe World War II) of communist party speakers denouncing the Nazi enemy. The national anthem 'Oceania, Tis for Thee' has a lot of the Soviet International, God Save the Queen, and My Country Tis For Thee lyrics and music mixed in for effect.
The helmets seem more like Fascist Italian ones. The thing is Orwell didn't intend for '1984' to be about a specific totalitarian ideology. He and the filmmakers mixed all sorts of things togetcher.
Soviet WWII helmets had a pronounced brim on the front. On the other hand the "tank" looks like a Soviet SU-85 or German Sturmgeschutz. Like I said, "1984" isn't about any specific 20th-century totalitarian ideology.
The Helmets are those of The M62 Finnish Steel Helmet, The Uniforms are a US Marine dress uniform that looks so old and with Combat Boots. Even in the year 1984 I am quite impressed because this is how I would look at the Oceanic Military, but how the hell did The INGSOC Military got their hands on Finnish Helmets?
John Reece The tank seen is actually a Swiss G-13 Hetzer destroyer. The tank shown in this scene is the Jagdpanzer 38T Hetzer. This particular 38T is the Swiss version of the original German Jagdpanzer, as the German's 38T doesn't have a barrel break.
@@ArmyJames But everything else is 1:1 copy, color isn't everything. If they kept the original color of the uniforms it would look like a reconstruction of Eastern Front.
"Oh man, I'm gonna be really clever when I write "Oh man, this reminds me of (insert political party/belief I don't like)" which hasn't been written under every 1984 related video at least 30 times"
Like when they said Saddam had WMDs ! or the 1980s the Afghan Freedom Fighters there where never any freedom fighters in Afghanistan ! we called them friends because they where fighting the USSR !
I have read this book 3 times...it was probably the first 'serious' book I read when I was a kid and even though on my first read I missed a lot, I was ….hmmm...enamored (Hmm...not the right word. Probably intrigued would be a better one) by this horrific world...a world so brutal and foul, yet interesting and realistic.....wars just to drive your own populace into slavery....what would that war look like to an average soldier. In the book they pointed out that other than some rocket bombs and some territory being swapped now and again, no great changes of land ever really happen. I can imagine a battleground...fought over for decades...with the bones of the soldiers that had died rotting in that field...the carcasses of tanks and other war machines rusting away. Something like a WWI battlefield. And then when the enemy is changed, all the soldiers pack up and move to a different front. Wonder what the soldiers life expectancy was. Or were not many soldiers actually killed and they were mostly used to enforce Ingsoc's will on the populace...or is it a mix of both?... Regardless, I love this book...It is certainly a precautionary tale, but it's also depressing as shit...so every time I get the gumption to read it, I take a pass as I get really depressed after reading it. Thank God our country and most countries in the world aren't like this...North Korea is the only place that is close, but is far less horrible than the countries in the book....and that's saying something.
I can't see that thumbnail without thinking of "The History of the Soviet Union As Seen Through the Eyes of a Humble Worker, Arranged to the Melody of Tetris". Anyone else?
It's funny. Looking down in the comments is the perfect example that this book doesn't have one true ideology representing INGSOC. You have people saying "Look, its a bunch of Republicans" and you have people saying " *sigh* liberals these days."
Because any ideology can rise to the top, grab the power stick and start messing around with the dictionary. But what this reminds me the most of, during my lifetime, besides cold war rhetoric, is the politically correct movement of "we don't say this," "Oh, that's rude," thought control crap that's been going on since the early 80's.
Just noticed something interesting. At 2:20, two of the INGSOC soldiers raise their hands in salutes, which form x marks over Big Brothers eyes, as if to communicate to the audience that Big Brother is dead, or even Big Brother is Death.
1984 was a Great Movie and Great Book and really showed a message: the World in this timeline is doomed for eternal dictatorship, Big Brother is watching you. Oceania has always been allies with EastAsia.
MagnusOmegusYesBorisNo AVGCP AUTTP AAFC AAFU FF You see all that time that passed since you put that up? Yeah, that’s been me, looking at you with a look that says “fucking really?” I know what it means man, I’ve read the book
Despite all the aesthetics and stuff, there's one thing in the movie that makes shown rallies look unnatural: Oceanians salute with two hands! Most types of salutes seem to involve just one hand to perform (like the cross sign, military salute, hand-over-heart, handshake etc.), the other is obviously implied to hold something: weapon, tool, whatever!
It's interesting - the further people go left or right, the more they gravitate towards a single point, eventually becoming nearly indistinguishable from each other. Radical left and radical right are the same thing in different wrapping.
@@balistixmapping197I wouldnt really call Oceania third positionist either, fact they reject capitalism and socialism but then they have no elements of corporatism or third position either. I think they just lie and probably use all of these depending on the moment or they have a mixed economy.
It's basically a bunch of sophisticated thugs dominating others en masse. Oceania, Eurasia and East Asia possibly work together. Maybe run by the same thugs. Possibly the UK has just turned into a North Korean type state and other regions are nothing like this.
Me in 2016: No one would bother attacking small cities and villages with rockets, they're not even strategically important. Me in 2022: I'm gonna stop saying things I think are never gonna happen
Why would you say that when terrorists have been attacking small cities and villages in Israel with rockets for decades? Or have people already forgotten about that? Or does it not count because it's Israel?
Greetings comrades! The 2016 Edition of Newspeak has just come out - excuse my use of the term 'come out' I didn't mean to offend anybody. It was a great shame, I was enraged to see that Eastasia had attacked Brussels in Eurasia, we've always been at war with Eastasia. Meanwhile, our trade has just increased with Eastasia, the chocolate ration has increased! Good to see Hate Rallies like this all across the province of America, as they prepare to elect their president, but unfortunately Sanderstine has captured the hearts of millions of traitors. This is doubleplusungood, comrades. It doesn't look like he'll have enough support though, good thing too, I prefer the status quo, I love Big Brother. I've been watching the telescreens lately and CNN, Fox etc are providing a fantastic service for me. Oceania, 'Tis for thee.
One of the things I remember about the movie is that there was a lot of rubble on the streets. How old is that rubble? Dating from the wars at the end of the 1940s / early 1950s? Or from the continuous rocket bombs? Why doesn't it get removed?
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One of the many things I like about this film version is that it doesn't try to be sleek and futuristic, like some more modern dystopias (and even the 1950s adaptations of 1984). Rather, it is a decaying world that will never leave the 1940s. Every shot is utterly believable as the world of Orwell's book.
Well said, the soldiers all look WW2esque and same with the tank that is seen.
Which makes sense. In a totalitarian government, innovation barely exists. Compare the cars made by communists to the cars made by Chrysler or ford at that time.
Yes in Orwell's vision the world of 1984 is sort of a permanent Second World War that will never end. The main difference between the world of 1984 as compared to that of WW II is that the main democracies of the 1940s, the US, Britain and the Commonwealth countries have been fused into one Super state that is as totalitarian as the other two Super states, Eurasia ( The Soviet Union) and East Asia (China and Japan).
Yeah. A 1940s world that doesn't know Jesus or God or any of those concepts . A horrible world stuck in 1948 forever.
@@Kelly14UK Modern day North Korea is the closest version of 1984 that exists today.
I really like Winston as a protagonist. He really embodies that feeling of loneliness that comes with disillusionment
It was never Winston the protagonist. He is just a tool to show the various facets of the weird society Orwell was picturing.
Their hate is so powerful, it doesn't even matter what he is saying.
What's terrifying is how much this scene can be compared to recent events and how we respond to such massacres committed by our enemies.
Evil can be powerful.
@@gochem3013 Emotions are powerful.
@@alexiaNBC its relevant to the war now.
I know this comment is extremely old.
@@IronFreakV HATE is scarily powerful.
I find it so amazing how they managed to ACTUALLY COMPOSE the oceania anthem from Orwell's description. It seems like they captured what Orwell was hearing in his inner ear to the T
The trumpets sound like a cable news intro...it was probably meant to be a bit more Roman like.....after all, the Nazis copied Roman standard design
@@tonyatthebeach Ingsoc is based of stalinism not nazism, Orwell is not trying to depict the party as nazi in any way
@@ericadolphus9569 not quite right, he was never trying to show any sort of political ideology, it was always meant to be a generally authoritarian depiction
@@NewestLatest Yes of course but the inspiration came from his views on stalinism.
@@ericadolphus9569 and nazism
Anyone notice how well-fed and downright chubby the marching soldiers are compared to the ordinary citizens?
They're chubby because there wasn't a war that was being really fought.
+coralarch did you not read the part of the book where Winston reads Goldstein's book? the war is real because it has to be real.
Vladimir , yup. I read the book. Book seems much better than the movie. I liked the part where it mentioned how Winston liked his work and was good at that, in spite of who he was working for and what his work was being used for.
coralarch , Ingsoc didn't believe in objective reality anyways, but the war was real in the physical sense because it forced scarcity on the people while keeping them productive. But, I think that most of the fighting was done by special forces. The average citizen really didn't see combat.
Which makes it slightly unrealistic, in my opinion, because I don't think that only hearing news about the war made it real for most people. Having themselves experience war, or knowing people who have makes it real and easier for someone to make you tolerate scarcity.
The soldiers look good because they are fed well. If they were weak, they would fail in their objective of protecting the inner party members when the Outer party rises in defiance of Big Brother.
I like how they're cheering over the guy as he speaks - probably because no one wants to be the first to stop.
And because it doesn't even matter what exactly he is saying
This happened in real life. When Stalin gave speeches, the whole audience would cheer and applaud and no one wanted to be the first one to stop, so they had a bell to give the audience permission to stop.
I think the most powerful part of reading 1984 for me was that while dissent was quelled by killing those who were the first to stop metaphorically clapping, the system was upheld by those who clapped because they genuinely wanted to
In fact, they are indoctrinated
@@MrAlexkyra Stalin wasnt an Orwellian leader, though. He was elected and tried to minimise his power.
Okay no ones talking about how good the music is. The music when Winston is looking through the dictionary, with the telescreen blaring is perfect. It sounds so inspirational and positive, making you feel kind of eerie
The music is by Eurythmics.
Edit: Oops I forgot to mention Dominic Muldowney too. It seems there is/was a bit of a controversy using the Eurythmics music in the movie.
The music is called "ministry of love" by Eurythmics
One detail a few others spotted is that on the third “Oceania” in the anthem at the end, the voices blend in to the instruments and almost sound like screams of agony. It’s pretty cool how this presents the idea that the voices are but instruments serving the greater song.
The music captivates and soars, what a score. Truly adds to the film!
No one be talking about how he says eurasia is our ally but then he starts executing them the next day
Here’s a brilliant visual that the movie brings to light that I don’t think others have spotted. The traditional salute of Oceanians stands for two things: resembles a “V” for victory and when a person is chained by their hands to the ceiling, being held in bondage and captivity as a prisoner, further demonstrating the eternal slavery the people face under Ingsoc
Or at least until the Party and Oceania eventually collapses along with Eurasia and Eastasia.
@@girlgarde the point of this scene is that victory is impossible for Winston. There is no way that the party can ever fall.
@@chalkwizard1292 At least not by Winston's hands alone nor will it fall within his lifetime even if he hadn't been executed at the end of the book. Still, nothing lasts forever, not even the party.......
Wow, good point. Maybe it's a bit far-fetched, but from your explanation, it can even visually represent the sentence 'freedom is slavery'.
As for the party falling, I do agree it's impossible as Winston's victory, or an individual's victory, but the Appendix being written in past tense, I do believe means Orwell's hint that it did fall eventually. However, in the sense that, as O'Brien says, 'no one comes to power with the intention to give it up' (like Animal Farm showed), the Party can indeed be seen as eternal, meaning that any authority is the Party eventually.
It's also an inverted 'V'. Like an inverted cross or Pentagram. Anti-victory, or the victory of INGSOC over the individual.
The Party guy has his eyes open without blinking in this scene like a fanatic! Great acting!
Sterling Hayden as General Ripper also hardly blinks in Dr Strangelove when he talks about protecting his precious bodily fluids.
2:01 the people of Oceania are so polite they always say thank you after they say their speaches
i get the joke but it sounds more like "Hail"
The Party's position on the political spectrum seems to be "assholism."
This needs to be written in the very beginning of the book. And as a warning against general radicalism, left or right.
@Chidi Akara You know that Orwell was Democratic socialist, right?
@@srbrant5391 he actually was. BUT and this is the important part, was anti authoritarian and had an understanding that any political party or any system of beliefs can end up in a dystopian nightmare.
@@missmarie8089 _Exactly!_
@@srbrant5391 Clearly there is NO link to Communism here. No reference to the abolition of private property at all, comerade. It's RIDICULOUS on it's face to suggest the party is a collective ruling over the proletarian. Collective housing is a known far right policy.
Big Brother: "Good... Use your aggressive feelings, my dear proles. Let the hate flow through you!".
omkr 01 Darth Sidious? Is that you?
Big Brother: We will have total freedom to spread out evil to the world above.
This was a crossover I was hoping about.
The motto of the modern Republican Party.
Sadly the inner party social engineers (and their real life comparisons) are are correct on the Proles: they are incompetent of any successful rebellion and can be given a level of freedom. Who has been chosen in Oceania (the West) as the Proles? Blacks/Sub Saharan African stock and half breeds, and if you have experience with these people you will know the collective intelligence is not there for anything beyond very basic needs and wants. Planning ahead or critical thinking is generally devoid. The only difference is in the book the Proles are described as hard working.
“Oh man, this reminds me of (insert political party/belief I don’t like)
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It's uncanny! I mean Ingsoc demonize their opponents as unthinking, brainwashed hate mongers and criminals, and so does [political party/belief I don't like]!
SocJus = IngSoc
PrimalTheEmperor (primal9000) imagine missing the point this much.
I am honestly in awe of how far over your head it went.
No, I know what he meant, I just wanted to add on
This looks like fun. I would totally attend, if this were real. Of course, in Oceania, I would have to attend, whether I like it or not.
I'd attend, in case my absence were noted and some goons came to drag me off to Miniluv. Also, because screaming at POWs would really be screaming my frustration with this awful regime. It's a safety valve which BB exploited.
Not if you were a prole. They were free.
I love the imagery of the flags marching proudly paraded in front of shots of a rubbleized city. The soldiers parading as if victorious with their hands up and crossed as if surrendering. This scene is so perfect.
"this is like a modern day political group i dont like"
Accurate because I don't like any.
Natalie Animal, me too. Totalitarian societies can arise from any form of government that seeks to control the people, capitalists and socialists alike. I will never trust politicians, corporations, or organized religion. I reject any sense of nationalism or fealty to my country, my only loyalty is to humanity and my loved ones. I bow to no one, I seek no heaven, I fear no hell, and my only purpose in life is that which I define for myself. Up with humanity, down with Big Brother!
Nathanael Bean Thanks, I'm glad you pointed out the dangers of labeling oneself in any way, be it a political view, a nationality, even things like music taste or who you support in sports. Finally someone understands what I mean when I say nationalism is a bad idea; after all, the division into nations is artificial, not a natural diversity. And I'm certainly glad there is so much diversity in the world. I have my own attitudes about things, but I don't simply label it with allegiance to just one thing, because that eventually turns into something like Ingsoc here. Exactly as you said, when it becomes an institution, religion instead of faith, nation instead of culture, then...
Demond Wilson sjw's
Dems: THIS IS LIKE TRUMP, BAH, TRUMP IS HITLER
Reps: THIS IS LIKE SJWS, COMMUNIST-SOCIALISTS AND DEMS!
Cents: THIS IS LIKE BOTH THE LEFT AND RIGHT, SEE WHAT HAPPENS?
Green: THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT!
Libes: TAXATION IS TYRANNY! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! WE SHALL LIVE ON OUR OWN, EVERYONE SHOULD BE SELF-MADE!
2+2=5
TheMarkedOne But you can prove that's not the case because 2 != 5 - 3 (!= = does not equal)
TheMarkedOne quick maths
5 + (-1) = 4
Alert ! Orthodox thinking !
Clasher Niels : no ketchup, just sauce, raw sauce.
It’s so cult like, it gives me chills!
I wish our society's mind control was this honest and obvious
Your a man of culture
it is, but that shows how blind society is.
Good sarcasm!
Sometimes it is. With key words like "Replacement migration "
@@unkono TO DEATH SEND THIS WHITE SUPREMISCIST, NAZI, KKK MEMBER, MISOGYNIST, HOMOPHOBE, MANSPLAINER, RUSSIAN BOT, LIGHT SKINNED, BLOND HAIRED, WHITE MAN!!!
Orwell wrote 1984 when he realized how Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany were eerily similar. It’s not about “left” or “right.”
BOTH are socialist ideologies...they just couldn't agree on how to actually go about enslaving humanity to the State. INGSOC = English Socialism.
@@haitolawrence5986 Not true, Orwell was a democratic socialist.
@@stuarttimocin7929 what does it have to do with the fact that both Communists and Nazis were socialists?
@@Lachausis You do realize that the socialist portion of the nazi party was purged during the night of the long knives right? Hell, the socialists were one of the first that ended up in the concentration camps.
Correct it’s all about how far left or right
People watch this movie and read the book and think that something like this could never possibly happen. But we've seen very similar in Germany in the 30's and 40's and the Soviet Union. A society like this isn't impossible and the warning signs should be looked for very carefully
The book was based on real life. It's art imitating life. Animal Farm was the same.
North Korea is essentially a real life example of this movie already tbh since they make people there believe stuff about the Kims we’d normally consider as ridiculous lies
This is basically what the west is turning into.
Look at North Korea and the People's Republic of China, Nineteen Eighty Four is terrifyingly relevant today.
@@MrAlexkyra Even look at the Marxists in the west. They preach hate and love to gain power.
One of the most powerful but simply poignant parts of the film.
My favorite scene. I come back to watch it evry day for some reason.
These twitter and reddit parody videos are getting uncannily accurate.
Why TF did my dad never tell me this is what the 80s was like?
2:39 The shot of the tank moving and firing was well-matched with the chorus of the national anthem. The combined audio-visual experience calls to mind the stupidity of Ingsoc ideology and the futility of the so-called war.
thats why its genius, but it is futile. all of their effort in the factories, all of their sacrafices are utterly futile in both the short and long term. insoc never actually wanted to win or lose the war but they do want it to continue on. hell youre not even sure if the war or eurasia or easasia are real at all. power and the continuation with power for powers sake at any cost was always the objective. the war may not be real. but its real to the outer party members, its real to the proles and thats what matters and because the war is real in their heads they will always give up anything and do anything to surivive. freedom through slavery.
I love this book so much
It's not a book to love, if you love it you've missed the point.
@@fubartotale3389 It's such a fucking good book. If you don't love it you missed the point.
this book is after "brave new world" the secound most warning fiction book in the world
@@fubartotale3389what a retard thing to say, it's a great reading what's the problem on loving It? Cunts like you who dictade rules are the fucking worst
@@fubartotale3389 there’s still a compelling story with compelling characters and narrative. Plenty to love without missing the point.
The system we need more than ever. Glory to BB!!
That's a kind of place I wouldn't want to live even as an Inner Party member.
Why? Better to rule in hell, than to serve in heaven.
But they are serve in hell. They are the big guns, but they also have inhuman rules and all too easy for them to be the receiving side of Big Brother's dick.
Heck, i think we'd get it best as Proles.
Of course! Proles and animals are free! All the beer, football, gambling, and porn we want, as long as we keep our heads down and keep ourselves distracted!
@OVOD.net You wouldn't live for 10-20 years. As an outer party member, if the shit quality of food doesn't kill you or you're not getting framed with something by your neighbours, a suspicious flinch on your face or a wrong word will do. As a prole, your life would still suck, but as long as you're not smart, you could freely eat shit.
I love my country
I don't love my government
Excellently worded! An efficient way to express the feelings I relate to a lot, which I couldn't find how to do myself, but this is pretty much it.
It points out an issue people often face when it comes to their governments, and mine is definitely among them: the thing is they're trying to create the idea that country=government, and that anyone who's opposed to anything about the government is against their country, hence doesn't wish well to their own people- a traitor. On quite a few occassions our politicians, especially the president, would reply to critics of them with 'So, you are against our country'.
@@natalieanimal4063 Those 2 are definitely separated, but if one just keeps craping on the bases of a country or lie about it constantly, they'd probably hate the country too. But conflation of such is often used by the ruling class to maintain power too.
@@Nathan-jh1ho True...that's more or less some sort of conditioning, aka linking an idea to something unpleasant so that we'd hate the idea too, for what it reminds us of. It's good to take into account what you say when talking to someone who thinks that way.
Likewise, this hate has two versions too. One can hate a country, but be (willing to become) aware it's the product of conditioning (that country's government's actions, wars, unpleasant experiences related to it etc). Or one can embrace a deep hatred for every person coming from that country.
I know of a man who had bad experience during WW2 because of which he felt terrible when someone spoke German and wouldn't communicate with them. This is valid and different from actually wishing death upon anyone from Germany because of WW2, which I saw too.
However I'm afraid what I'm saying could be taken differently had I taken another language instead of German as a modern example (not by you, as I see you're making sense, but...people).
It is not your country.
"I love democracy."
Never trust someone who says war is honorable.
Never trust someone who says peace is worth any price.
When you get a tank on battlefield 4
1:22
Possible hoi4 refrence
I was like others, I thought things weren’t as bad as they are in 1984
That was until I was arrested for drinking and driving
This book tried to warn me, I didn’t listen, how did we let society become this? This reminds me of every anti drink driving person I’ve ever seen
@@Hobbitydobbity there's nothing wrong with racist jokes as long as they're not serious
I am uncompromisingly convinced that every single person who mentions 1984 as part of some political argument has not read 1984.
I am uncompromisingly convinced that every single liberal refuses to address their march towards fascism.
@@bigginsg8711 You think I'm a liberal?! Oh buddy, how wrong you are.
@@liomaru join the imperial Republic ideology, destroy the ignorant
I mention 1984 and I have read it several times, including three times in Spanish. Be careful with your generalizations.
Orwell clearly meant 1984 as a cautionary tale of the end result of leftist politics. Read it in conjunction with Animal Farm. He was not talking about Nazism, although there are clear similarities between nazis and communists. As to who it applies to today, just look at which faction is most in favor of censorship and changing the meaning of words.
Part of me would like to see this remade even thought there is no real valid reason to do so. It would be nice to see it redone with updated special effects but then again they probably would skip out on the talent and not get actors with the caliber of Burton and Hurt.
Everyone would instantly hate it cause people hate remakes.
There's that god awful Natalie Portman movie "The Circle" coming out soon :(
THOMAS SODOMIZER Could Darren Aronofsky direct it? No, scratch that, it would be too upsetting to watch.
The old style filming and drab colors are more impactful I think. Nothing fits the dystopian picture better than these filming styles.
@@scottwall8419
They got it perfect, exactly how I imagined Oceania when reading 1984.
Animal Crossing Fans during Nintendos E3 2019:
Oceania is a beautiful land with beautiful things all around. Up with the Sun, the Moon and the stars, and down with Big Brother.
2 + 2 = 5!
^Well, yeah. That's what I meant.
the speech at the bginning resonates so strongly with the current events in Ukraine/Russia, it's so scary and unbelievable that instead of "never happening again" it would play out and occur so verbatim on screens worldwide.... what can save us from this insanity?
no idiot north korea is similar to 1984 thats all
you havent read the book, have you? ;)
Me: plays hoi4
After 1 minute: 2:07
2:41 Oh shit it looks like Jeremy Corbyn.
oh wow, this reminds me of a political party I don't like
Here is national anthem.
1984: Oceania - 'Tis for Thee
Original book by George Orwell.
The lyrics:
Strong and Peaceful,
wise and brave;
Fighting the fight for the whole world to save.
We the people will ceaselessly strive
To keep our great revolution alive.
Unfurl the banners,
look at the screen;
Never before has such glory been seen.
Oceania,
Oceania,
Oceania,
'tis for thee.
Every deed,
Every thought,
'tis for thee.
Every deed,
Every thought...
...'tis for thee.
It reminds me of the so-called 'Hate Week' rallies of Stalinist Russia during the 1930s and the war years of the 1940s. The Oceanic army wears Soviet Army styled uniforms with the exact same steel helmets, only they are painted black. Just like the rallys of the so-called 'Great Patriotic War' (the name the Soviet Union used to describe World War II) of communist party speakers denouncing the Nazi enemy. The national anthem 'Oceania, Tis for Thee' has a lot of the Soviet International, God Save the Queen, and My Country Tis For Thee lyrics and music mixed in for effect.
The helmets seem more like Fascist Italian ones. The thing is Orwell didn't intend for '1984' to be about a specific totalitarian ideology. He and the filmmakers mixed all sorts of things togetcher.
Soviet WWII helmets had a pronounced brim on the front. On the other hand the "tank" looks like a Soviet SU-85 or German Sturmgeschutz.
Like I said, "1984" isn't about any specific 20th-century totalitarian ideology.
The Helmets are those of The M62 Finnish Steel Helmet, The Uniforms are a US Marine dress uniform that looks so old and with Combat Boots. Even in the year 1984 I am quite impressed because this is how I would look at the Oceanic Military, but how the hell did The INGSOC Military got their hands on Finnish Helmets?
John Reece The tank seen is actually a Swiss G-13 Hetzer destroyer. The tank shown in this scene is the Jagdpanzer 38T Hetzer. This particular 38T is the Swiss version of the original German Jagdpanzer, as the German's 38T doesn't have a barrel break.
Indeed, but those are american m1 helmets...
Edit: they're just oversized.
Hate is a human thing, people, so it's easy to identify any political or social group with a practice like this one
This scene represents *ALL* ideologies. Radicals of any sort are *NEVER* good and always leads to this. History says so.
It's good that someone understands that. Whenever I read comments to the videos from this movie...Seriously, thanks for the comment.
Yeah.
Radical Centrism? Dayum, I didn't think Centrism could be radical.
How about 'Radicalist Plutocracy'? Probably..
Super Communist Mario World 😂
Oh, you.
Oceania: Hates and despises Eurasia.
Also Oceania: Has soldiers that literally look like Soviet military.
The Soviet military “literally” didn’t have black uniforms, Dumas.
@@ArmyJames It's spelled "dumbass", not dumas ya dumbass LOL!
@@ArmyJames But everything else is 1:1 copy, color isn't everything. If they kept the original color of the uniforms it would look like a reconstruction of Eastern Front.
Not like Eurasia was any better
No, they "literally" don't?
Emmanuel Goldstein ate my hamster.
😂
if i had a time machine, i'd bring George Orwell to the future and show him this movie
Rallies, and we all know who loves a good rally! gets the gate flowing.
Who loves a good rally?
Newspeak - corporate speak.
Dave Roper no one is inhibiting on your right to search up a word you don't understand. Don't we live in a. Democracy or am I wrong?
@@dynamicduo5844 what the fuck
You're wrong.
"Oh man, I'm gonna be really clever when I write "Oh man, this reminds me of (insert political party/belief I don't like)" which hasn't been written under every 1984 related video at least 30 times"
The state of modern politics today on both sides pretty much everywhere, especially in the West. Oh my God, Orwell was a genius.
Like when they said Saddam had WMDs ! or the 1980s the Afghan Freedom Fighters there where never any freedom fighters in Afghanistan ! we called them friends because they where fighting the USSR !
I have read this book 3 times...it was probably the first 'serious' book I read when I was a kid and even though on my first read I missed a lot, I was ….hmmm...enamored (Hmm...not the right word. Probably intrigued would be a better one) by this horrific world...a world so brutal and foul, yet interesting and realistic.....wars just to drive your own populace into slavery....what would that war look like to an average soldier. In the book they pointed out that other than some rocket bombs and some territory being swapped now and again, no great changes of land ever really happen. I can imagine a battleground...fought over for decades...with the bones of the soldiers that had died rotting in that field...the carcasses of tanks and other war machines rusting away. Something like a WWI battlefield. And then when the enemy is changed, all the soldiers pack up and move to a different front. Wonder what the soldiers life expectancy was. Or were not many soldiers actually killed and they were mostly used to enforce Ingsoc's will on the populace...or is it a mix of both?...
Regardless, I love this book...It is certainly a precautionary tale, but it's also depressing as shit...so every time I get the gumption to read it, I take a pass as I get really depressed after reading it. Thank God our country and most countries in the world aren't like this...North Korea is the only place that is close, but is far less horrible than the countries in the book....and that's saying something.
You should read other books. Anything by that author is very poor and will probably hurt you. Try R.L. Stevenson
literally 1984
Oh, look, they are *insert any ideology you don't like*
This got old
This is no longer war, it is Twitter.
Oh God no.
twitter is brave new world
DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!!!!
You disgusting thoughtcriminal. May the Ministry of Love have no mercy on your soul.
Brat Bitchface
*DEATH TO THE STUPID INGSOC PARTY AND LONG LIVE THE COMMONWEALTH!* 🇬🇧
Liberal spotted.
Everyone here blaming the political party they don't like and I'm over here falling in love with the music playing when Winston reads his book
Here
th-cam.com/video/jDNoyf1h9G0/w-d-xo.html
I can't see that thumbnail without thinking of "The History of the Soviet Union As Seen Through the Eyes of a Humble Worker, Arranged to the Melody of Tetris". Anyone else?
This movie should have a Remake
and with a narration of Winston's thoughts
It's funny. Looking down in the comments is the perfect example that this book doesn't have one true ideology representing INGSOC. You have people saying "Look, its a bunch of Republicans" and you have people saying " *sigh* liberals these days."
Because any ideology can rise to the top, grab the power stick and start messing around with the dictionary. But what this reminds me the most of, during my lifetime, besides cold war rhetoric, is the politically correct movement of "we don't say this," "Oh, that's rude," thought control crap that's been going on since the early 80's.
I'v barilly seen any of that. I mostly see comments like yours.
Only one ideology Abolishes private property like English Socialism did. It was Orwell's own ideology.
@@gabrielarchange4680 corporatism/capitalism can "abolish" private propiety too,but that "abolishment" is called monopoly
Dude this is like 1984
Just noticed something interesting. At 2:20, two of the INGSOC soldiers raise their hands in salutes, which form x marks over Big Brothers eyes, as if to communicate to the audience that Big Brother is dead, or even Big Brother is Death.
Just cant go wrong with black uniforms
"Lock them up! Lock them up! Lock them up!"
dear lord...Orwell was right
humanity really is a lost cause.
I'm looking for that exact soundtrack!
+Duspende
me too. Have you found it brother?
matthieu pascal Eurythmics - Ministry of Love
Thank you!!
1984 was a Great Movie and Great Book and really showed a message: the World in this timeline is doomed for eternal dictatorship, Big Brother is watching you. Oceania has always been allies with EastAsia.
Great film.
💯💯👍
Such a grim future
Many people thought it would start on the right but in reality it will end on the left
So he's saying we should attack Syria?
i love that background music
2:07 Besides the context, I think this scene is beautiful and majestic.
This is what twitter feels like.
Ingsoc is doubleplus bellyfeel good!
Great motivational speaker
“-honor-“
There is no honor in slaughter.
“-bravery-“
There is nothing brave about crushing the weak
MagnusOmegusYesBorisNo AVGCP AUTTP AAFC AAFU FF Never
MagnusOmegusYesBorisNo AVGCP AUTTP AAFC AAFU FF You see all that time that passed since you put that up? Yeah, that’s been me, looking at you with a look that says “fucking really?”
I know what it means man, I’ve read the book
Unfurl the banners, look at the screen.
Never before has such glory been seen.
There can be no death for an eternal enemy.
Despite all the aesthetics and stuff, there's one thing in the movie that makes shown rallies look unnatural: Oceanians salute with two hands! Most types of salutes seem to involve just one hand to perform (like the cross sign, military salute, hand-over-heart, handshake etc.), the other is obviously implied to hold something: weapon, tool, whatever!
I think it shows they’ve given everything to the government and they have nothing but the state.
The Oceanian salute has people cross their hands over their heads, symbolizing that they are prisoners and are being tortured by Ingsoc
“Wait, I thought we were at war with Eurasia, not Eastasia. I’m confused.”
"You don't have to be, brother. They will help you at Miniluv, ease your confusion."
Oceania is not Leftist, or Rightist, Oceania is another direction... Not left or right.
It's interesting - the further people go left or right, the more they gravitate towards a single point, eventually becoming nearly indistinguishable from each other. Radical left and radical right are the same thing in different wrapping.
@@lunarcultist6214 "Well the way I see it there's literally no difference between communists and capitalists."
third position with some extra steps/Orwellian
@@balistixmapping197I wouldnt really call Oceania third positionist either, fact they reject capitalism and socialism but then they have no elements of corporatism or third position either. I think they just lie and probably use all of these depending on the moment or they have a mixed economy.
It's basically a bunch of sophisticated thugs dominating others en masse. Oceania, Eurasia and East Asia possibly work together. Maybe run by the same thugs. Possibly the UK has just turned into a North Korean type state and other regions are nothing like this.
O L D T H I N K E R S
U N B E L L Y
F E E L
I N G S O C
The music is outstanding :- O
What is a warning to some might be the instruction manual for others
Me in 2016: No one would bother attacking small cities and villages with rockets, they're not even strategically important.
Me in 2022: I'm gonna stop saying things I think are never gonna happen
me in 2003, they wont attack unarmed villages with rockets… me in 1967, they won’t attacked unarmed villages with rockets
Why would you say that when terrorists have been attacking small cities and villages in Israel with rockets for decades? Or have people already forgotten about that? Or does it not count because it's Israel?
Literally 1984
all pepe fans must be sent to room 101
Big Brother has a very intense stare.
Anyone else support the Party and love Big Brother??
Well, of course comrade, why wouldn't I? That seems suspicious on your end.
god that always give me a strange bellyfeel
Greetings comrades! The 2016 Edition of Newspeak has just come out - excuse my use of the term 'come out' I didn't mean to offend anybody. It was a great shame, I was enraged to see that Eastasia had attacked Brussels in Eurasia, we've always been at war with Eastasia. Meanwhile, our trade has just increased with Eastasia, the chocolate ration has increased!
Good to see Hate Rallies like this all across the province of America, as they prepare to elect their president, but unfortunately Sanderstine has captured the hearts of millions of traitors. This is doubleplusungood, comrades. It doesn't look like he'll have enough support though, good thing too, I prefer the status quo, I love Big Brother. I've been watching the telescreens lately and CNN, Fox etc are providing a fantastic service for me.
Oceania, 'Tis for thee.
Long live Eurasia!
D e a t h t o E a s t A s i a
L o n g l i v e t h e S o u t h e a s t A s i a
Oce-aaaaaaaa-nia, Oce-aaaaaaaaaaa-nia, Oce-aaaaaaa-niaaaaaaa, tiiiiiis for theeeeee.
Using Oldspeak is doubleplusungood.
One of the things I remember about the movie is that there was a lot of rubble on the streets. How old is that rubble? Dating from the wars at the end of the 1940s / early 1950s? Or from the continuous rocket bombs? Why doesn't it get removed?
I think it’s to keep the war constantly in the minds of Oceanians.
old film but its doubleplusgood!
The majority is not always right. Dare to be what the sheep call "an extremist".
I'm fine being a Free Speech extremist.
@@gabrielarchange4680 To be in a minority of one is not to be insane.
2:39 what type of tank is that?
Jagdpanzer IV?
su-85 ?
It’s a Hetzer, pause at 2:39.
It's a Hetzer.
At least the movie spared us the "drawn and quartered" part.
I love this bgm……like a blue color dream
The Oceanian Treaty Organization vs. the Eurasian Federation vs. the People's Republic of Eastasia.
Best instruction manual ever imo
2+2=
+Zachary Rose (Der Fuhrer's Werwolf) 4... wait! (Knocked out by Though Police)
5
Pretty creepy that you have five likes o.o
"You are... six years old... weak and helpless! You cannot... HURT ME!"
Now they have six but I guess 6=5...
this scene was so powerful i did the 🙅♂
me to bro