I am a recruiter and I assure you you will not hear such things from us, worst case scenario we say the company hasn't replied and it would be in your best interest to look for a job because the companies might not respond except really late
I know I'm late to the party, but I just wanted to write and say thank you for all the advice. After realizing I was significantly underpaid, I put myself out there and ended up getting a new position at a 47% salary increase. Seriously, I can't thank you enough!
This is the MOST important lesson I learnt which was the recruiter was not my friend and supporter and only worked for the firm I joined. When things went bad the recruiter flipped on me and even attempted to ask me to contribute towards his lost commission! Thankfully I’m a lawyer and had to explain privity of contract to a specialised legal recruiter. Not a pleasant experience. My takeaway is: 1. Don’t ever come across as desperate with a recruiter / play it cool. 2. Don’t EVER disclose your salary because that can impact the recruiters perception of you especially if you are potentially looking to make a huge salary jump. 3. 95% of recruiters will not bother to reconnect with you except to check you have started so that they can claim their headhunter fee - once they have their fees they move on. 4. NEVER apply for a job because a recruiter pressurises you to apply for a role because he or she only cares about their commission! If your gut says no to a job then just say it and if the recruiter gets butt sore then that’s on him or her. 5. If a recruiter doesn’t come back after a final interview you DID not get the job and keep applying and do not wait for the recruiter to get back to you. As a lawyer who has been in the legal business for 20 years and having worked at top tier firms both in the uk and overseas the above is my summary of experience. Not wanting to malign all recruiters but they are like used car salesmen/women! Do your own due diligence and never feel guilty about saying no thanks to a firm job offer if you get something better - I’ve done that plenty of times and it’s part of their job!
Thank you. Young graduates are drilled into believing so many unhelpful untruths, to the point that believing anything else marks you as a negative person, even amongst peers. Just having someone out there who explains these things will help it click and reduce so much of the frustration.
My biggest complaint about our education system is that its mostly focused on teaching us technical skills. If someone taught me all the street smarts of the corporate world I wouldn't have struggled so much in my early 20s in order to learn them through the school of hard knocks. Why no one tell us in school to watch our backs for toxic colleagues trying to backstab you or why we should try having passive income so we wont have to be a wage slave for the remainder of our lives? There is something really wrong with our education system. I wish we woul've been exposed with those raw truths about the corporate life in school rather than the romanticized version professors and teachers taught us. Although learning by rolling with the punches give us wisdom it hurts and it's time wasted that we could've been using to effectively improve our careers and life even more.
Here is some common sense advice for life: if you are not the one who is paying a person or company for their time, then you are not the customer. More than likely, you are the product. If you get into a club for free because it's ladies' night, rest assured that you are being used as bait for men to come and buy drinks. You are not the customer, you are the product. When you buy a ticket to a sporting event, you are the customer and the game is the product. When you watch a sporting event on free TV, you are *not* the customer. The TV network and advertisers are the customer. You are the product. So when a recruiter matches you with a job and collects a fee from your new employer but collects nothing from you, you are not the customer. You are the product.
This explains how certain people are pretty much screened out of the job market. Nothing is done for people who need a second chance or arent cream of the crop.
Really enlightening. I'm a junior corporate recruiter who works on salary, and I've been struggling to understand the perspective of headhunters I've met.
I always knew that this is true. To hear you say it hurts a little, but it is good to know where the recruiter is coming from so you can act accordingly. You think they care about you, but they are only looking out for themselves. You have to look out for yourself. It is a business relationship. The relationship can be mutually beneficial, but they can also drop you like a hot potato.
Very True! Most recruiters aren't trying to find you a job! They just give you the info to apply for said job or jobs and expect you to do the rest! At best, they will submit the resume for you and set up the interviews on your behalf.
So, I’ve been going through your content for the last few weeks and the conclusion I’m coming to is figuring out a way to provide an income that will buy out my Job. Because the dream job is not having one. Why spend the best part of your day and life at a Job you have to negotiate land mines just to get paid. And then spend your days with people you probably wouldn’t have to your home, just to live? Sounds like a losing proposition from where I’m sitting. For those who can it might be a good time to start working for yourself not just in your mentality but in your reality because abusive relationships are not Cool at all.
Bryan is now coming in third on the Google search engine, right after Life After Death and Like After Lockup. Well done Bryan. Still waiting to see some drumming videos from you out there!
No kidding. This one Asian recuiter tried to get me to quit my job and be unemployed for a month before starting at another company due to some scheduling conflicts that I had. I've worked with recruiters, been ghosted by some, but never had a recruiter suggest I quit so that recruiter could get paid. I declined to do so and the recruiter blacklisted me in their system.
What a selfish idiot this recruiter was. It amazes me how some people can be so selfish and self-centered to the point of not worrying about putting other's people's wellbeing and career in danger.
I am at a point with recuriters and HR that i am very direct with responses and set my expectations clear. It is not go a fit, keep it moving. Also only conduct interviews between 11am and 3 pm Tuesday thru Thursday.
Very mix bag when dealing with recruiters. Some will get you an interview the same week and others will bullshit with you, or you will never hear from them again (More bullshit). Ghosting is very common with them and they love overpromising and underdelivering when presenting their opportunities "as the greatest job you've ever came across" type of salesmanship and schemes they pull on candidates. Most are just collecting resumes for future "opportunities" that may or may not exist???
Those offshore recruiters are awful! They are a big part of the reason why took down my linkedin profile because they filled my message box with nonsense. The offers were terrible - they thought that me, a permanent employee with benefits, would be interested in contract work for half of my current pay. Their messages were in broken and awful English.
Recruiters aren't your friend. They're using you so use them too. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. It's nothing but a game. Don't hate the player
Thanks, Brian! Your insights on the role of recruiters and the different types of recruiters are eye-opening. It's important to understand that recruiters focus on finding the right candidates for positions. Building rapport with corporate recruiters and leveraging LinkedIn to connect directly with hiring authorities are excellent strategies. Keep up the fantastic work!
I worked as Firmware Engineer or Software Eng or SQA Eng or math computer teacher. Had about 30 gigs in 30 years. The contract recruiter is different. Had some good recruiters who got me interviews for many gigs. An interview is a chance to sell yourself.
As a fellow recruiter at a big corporate company - Amen. It’s been something that I always keep repeating to my colleagues. That is why I am trully confused whenever I’m asked to give some „constructive feedback” aka explanation why we didn’t choose a candidate. I never feel comfortable doing that since my job isn’t to develope anyone’s skills, I’m here to fill in the job requsition. On the flip side, giving a straight answer yes or no is a must.
In 2008, I wrote a book on the UK Recruitment Industry: Great Expectations - A Flexible Guide to Flexible Working. It was 80,000 words long and looks in depth at the recruitment industry for temps, contractors and it covers big part on IR35 tax law. Basically, the central theme was precisely what you have said here in this video. The recruiter is not there to find job seekers a job; they are there to find job seekers for roles. It's obvious really because the job seeker is not paying them; the hiring organisation is.
I had an internal/ "contracted by a company" recruiter contact me the other day about a job that was in line with assembly/ production work. I landed in manufacturing engineering post-graduation for about 3 years now. I replied that I'm an engineer and would like to discuss mechanical engineering roles instead (my major). The recruiter agreed. We talked for a bit, but the recruiter was insistent on passing my information on to ME openings. The reason was that I didn't have that particular job title on my resume. Instead, the recruiter told me about getting my foot in the door for taking lower positions not related to engineering. I guess manufacturing engineering is not a real engineering job. The end of the conversation was not reassuring. Never heard back from them again..lol. Welcome to the 2023 job market!
The thing is, Ben, that a lot of companies use the word "Engineer" very loosely, for better or worst. I'm sure you're a good/great Engineer but many inept recruiters don't know their ass from their head, so they miss out on great candidates that don't "fit" a job title, a "culture fit", and other non-sense they invent through-out a recruiting/hiring process. Most corporations are full of it, and they find imagined reasons to not hire great people! In terms of "Engineer", in Tech, that word is used very loosely, i.e., Desktop Engineer, Hardware Engineer, Network Engineer and Software Engineer, for instance. I've done all four in my IT Career and to tell you the truth, half the time, there's not much Engineering involved in your daily or weekly tasks or projects. So, it's hard to pinpoint when and why career/job recruiters and corporations became so dumb and inept at hiring great candidates, instead of going for what they know, playing it safe, being scared and not trying to hire the best person on paper or in reality.
I thought that was pretty obvious. They wouldn't be recruiting if there wasn't a job to fill, therefore they're not trying to find YOU a job, they're trying to find someone to fill the position.
That’s interesting. I think there’s differences in terminology between countries. In the UK headhunter refers to executive search, working on retainer.
I had a series of Indian recruiters call me for 6-12 month contract jobs. I replied to a few I am seeking full time only and they replied it might extend. I ended these calls by saying I'm not leaving a full time position for a contract position with the possibility of extending.
I teach English to some of these Indian recruiters online. They tell me they don't have much luck recruiting Americans, as the positions are too temporary, too limited hours, and of course jokes of salaries.
I got this same experience too. The messages were in awful English. They would say things like "the pay is good" but not what it was. They would cold-contact me, an employee with a permanent job with benefits, if I wanted to do a contract job for half the pay. Just ridiculous - they should be reaching out to unemployed people for that stuff.
@@courtneyshannon2621 The pay is usually 30%-60% higher than full-time employees! As a Contractor and Employee in my work life, being a Contractor is much more lucrative than being an employee, since you can pretty much charge whatever you want for your services, if a corporation is willing to pay for it. On the other hand, those recruiters that contacted you are from outside the U.S., so they don't have any idea what the hourly and salary pay is here in the U.S., based on what city and state you live in. Some offer excellent pay for your services and others just have no clue!
@@izamalcadosa2951 Interesting! All the ones that have contacted me (before I took down my linkedin page down) were bad offers, but I can see how that in different industries contract pay could actually be better.
Can you make a video about job offers coming from the internal recruiter vs headhunter? Do you usually get more from internal recruiter because the process is cheaper?
I work in tech and get approximately 50 inquiries per week between phone, LinkedIn and emails. The recruiters are mostly foreign, but with US based numbers; it is unclear if they are actually located in US or just spoofing numbers. The rare times I engage with a recruiter they sometimes mention they are representing me through the recruiting process; I always insist on correcting them. The best way to find employment has always been to network and skip recruiters altogether. Great content!
I went through a headhunter on my current job. I got offered the position the the company I was applying at asked if I wanted to be a contractor or full time. Of course I said Full Time. The headhunter told me she wished I would have taken contract because they'd continuously get money from the company instead of a lump sum! I say well Full Time I have benefits, PTO time, etc. I do know some people who like working as contractors because they get more per hour.... but on the other hand they have to pay for their own medical, etc. Being full time I started out with 4 weeks PTO, I had to be in office for first two weeks to get trained and used to things... now I have to be in office 2 days a month minimum.
I don't mind "ghosting". If a recruiter were honest about that, they'd have earned a bit of extra respect for that. In fact, a lot of the process is acting and going through the motions. I don't like that. I'm not in it to pretend or to act, but to get paid doing what I'm good at. If you're planning to "grade" me on BS, or tolerance for BS, that is a waste of everyone's time and an insult.
If you are crazy enough to sign up with a recruiter who is not retained by the company but you are paying, then they should be working like an agent to get you opportunities and interviews with hiring managers. Otherwise recruiters are not there to find you a job but to find a fit for the job opportunities they have. I would say that I have noticed something in my job search. I get calls daily from "recruiters" who are asking to present my resume for positions that are already advertised on job boards like Monster, Indeed and so on.
I didn't realize that people expect a recruiter to be so hands on in their job search. 😯😯 I recently learned that a former employer now has a new pay calculator based on "education and experience." None of their job postings list salary range. Is this a red flag for me to not consider them as an option?! Thank you for sharing your thoughtful advice.
The recruiters I've been approached by are usually Brits, i.e. offshore. I've stopped engaging with them. It's just weird to have a foreigner trying to place me with a company that's "just" 100-200 km away, same corner of my own country...
The companies are checking LinkedIn when recruiters submit your resume or present you to a company. I know because I ask for the name of the client during the pre screening interview phone call. LinkedIn sends weekly emails alerting you of profile views. I’ve seen several of those clients within those notifications after speaking with my recruiter for a potential position. Discriminatory practices if you ask me. However, it’s best to know what type of company you could be working for. I check their LinkedIn profiles too. 😊
I applied for a job that required a certain certification, I finally finished school and got it. I applied to same job who which required that certificate, now they’re telling me, I need another certificate that they just added to the job . This caught me of guard because it wasn’t listed on the job description. Very disappointed spend 6 month in a class for this specific certification to find out I need more…… wow
More of this! Best video ever and displays how headhunters (external) and internal recruiters work. I’m at an external recruiting agency atm but no job, still paid loan? I don’t get it 😅 but sure I guess😅
Do people who have been working with recruiters for any length of time not know this? I've had so many bad experiences with headhunters, and almost all of my hires have been with the company directly.
Most jobs offers that I got from recruiters trying to reach me on Linkedin were either just average or bad ones. The best jobs that I ever got were the ones I looked for on my own. People need to realize that recruiters and any person working for HR doesn't have your best interest in minds. They are paid to protect and fight for the interests of the captains of industry.
Yupe!! But, more like, kiss and lick ass for their Corporate and HR Overlords! Kissing Captain HR's ass is the most common thing I've seen at Corporations in my 25 years of work experience!! The more you brown-nose, the higher-up you climb the Corporate Ladder in America! Sad but true!
I have been through a few of these Recruiting companies in Australia, so disappointed. They are disorganised, unprofessional and lazy. I have always got my own job through the company.
I always assumed recruiters work of the company, but that's because I've generally dealt with internal recruiters. I always thought headhunters could work for either side, so that's good to know. Can you cover if it is worthwhile to fill out a general or open application if a company has one listed on their careers page? I've seen mixed responses to this topic.
Very mix bag when dealing with recruiters. Some will get you an interview the same week and others will bullshit with you, or you will never hear from them again. Ghosting is very common with them and they love overpromising and underdelivering when presenting their opportunities "as the greatest job you've ever came across" type of salesmanship and schemes they pull on candidates.
After a while you get a feel for the headhunters and whether there is an actual role. So many industries work closely enough that they don't want to poach and cause bad blood. So they use headhunters to get the person they had in mind, but it has to look legit.
I agree. I spent 5 years temping. Worked at some good roles In 2021 Agency called saying she had a g8t role, I wasn't keen. Long story short I lasted 3 weeks. . Eventually signed to Bank at Hospital for Admin Then this year applied to role at a local office, higher grade.
I dont understand why a job seeker would think that a HH/recruiter would be working for them. Lol, who pays the recruiter/HH? If you pay, then they work for you.
Absolutely! I try to make as easy as possible for the legit recruiter who contacts me. Call/text them back right away. Need additional info? You got it! It's a sale for them and a job for me! And please folks, don't use multiple recruiters for the same job.
I think some of these recruitment places are rock bottom employment for people who work there. I got called by a younger kid, probably 25, who was from the South and took a job in my area (midwest) because he went to school up here and probably met his wife up here. Nice guy, a college baseball pitcher at a small college, and we worked together on a opportunity that didn't pan out. I forgot what he said his degree was in, but like so many of us, I don't think this is where in envisioned himself at that point in his life. I'm sure he will succeed, but at that time, I almost felt bad for him.
I had 3 recruiting agencies with me as a candidate. It was nice to have someone "on my side" of a job search. Over the past few months. 2 of them had to drop me because my current employer now contracts with them. The agency really does work for the company. I think it's an issue because now the candidate count is a bit fraudulent if used in sales and the recruiters have a smaller pool to work with for other contracts.
The company i used to work started using 3rd party recruiters the same time as they started defrauding investors. I switched to the plumbing trade and am now working with people of substantially higher integrity :) Oh, and they pay is alot better too!
Recruiters are often tasked with trying to sell someone on the prospect of working for a company with a toxic work culture and a history of treating employees badly.
I work in tech and have been dealing with a few of these offshore recruiters. It was bad a few months ago, but now I'm seeing more recruiters state-side dropping in my inbox. The annoying thing is in tech you almost need a native/fluent speaker in your language who is a technical recruiter, or it feels like you are talking through a cloud and not getting information across. I work in systems, and no one wants me to touch their routers, but wow is it difficult to tell some of these offshore recruiters that.
Recruiters have poisoned the IT job market. Now, I have serious doubts about a company that would outsource their most vital search for resources to a bunch people who know nothing about IT. They have turned something that we have worked our entire career for into a "game show" filled with trivia, challenges and bazaar requirements that deem everyone un-hirable if they haven't spent 5-10 years doing it.
Is there something as some sort of talent agent for workers to find, vet, and connect with opportunities on behalf of workers? Seems like a potential market.
Worst story from accounting school was a female recruiter than tripped me. I never got to talk to the cohort or try for placement that day. It was like I didn't want to sleep with her boyfriend recruiter D&T Boca but I did want to try just as the guys did to pitch for interview.
@HowdyMcPickles, ATS stands for Applicant Tracking System, an automated method of receiving, tracking and doing preliminary assessment of job applications -- all before a human lays eyes on your application. This is where having as many keywords as possible from the Job application in your resume is critical for your application not to end up in the trash.
Hi, I work for a government agency and we only run advertisements on the government site. The jobs won't show up in Google search since we don't pay them. My question is that is there a free website that we can run our advertimsement? Please advise,
Brian, simply put.. You, Sir are a career genius.. Excellent advice, my friend. I've never really thought of it like that, at least not this directly. No offense, put I typically hate recruiters, agencies and all of these labor leeches sucking the blood out of the working person. Direct hire, you know, the old fashioned way was a lot more ethical. Anyhow, cheers.
I still have a fairly favourable image of recruiters as regular HR was in my experience either bafflingly incompetent or terribly arrogant or both. By the latter, I mean people who let even Ph.D.s wait for the better part of an hour and think that you need to pick up your phone in under a minute for an unscheduled call and questions from you are met with self-righteous anger and indignation... (What would you say is the best reason to start working for you? HOW DARE YOU ASK???? You either made up your mind already or your wasting my god damn time!) Not to forget that they are usually NEVER prepared and you can count yourself lucky if they remember your name correctly or where you're from (I mean European in Europe, thus, no exotic names).
In the academic field here in Germany, the biggest problem is that many recruiters have no idea about the qualifications of the applicants. You can therefore not estimate whether the requirements match the qualifications. Is it different outside of Germany?
Talking about headhunters, not deploying all the puns and jokes that go with it? The hunting metaphor could lend itself to presenting all the recruiter types caricatured as animal heads over a fireplace.
There are a few inconsistencies with your speech as I am a recruiter I don't just toss away people like that, if the companies say no we still look for possibilities and if all companies we have a contract with say no then that is the moment things get dicey
If a recruiter isn’t there to find me a job then let’s cut out the middleman and I’ll apply directly to the company. Does the average recruiter even understand my skills and experience? Do they have any clue how to do the job that’s available? If not what’s the point? If you’re not there to help me, you don’t know what I’m capable of doing, and you haven’t got a clue about the job itself why would I want to go through you to try and land the role? This is all just a waste of time for a job hunter who already has to search for jobs, update resumes, network , write cover letters, and submit applications. Adding an additional pointless step with someone who is clueless about the role’s responsibilities is just compiling the time being wasted and time is money.
I have a pure curiosity if a recruiter downloaded your resume but they haven't contacted yet and is like 2 weeks that means you will be rejected or is that one resume that makes a difference?
As soon as you're determined not to be moving on to the next round for the role they found you for, you are dead to the recruiter. Ask for feedback on why you didn't move forward...crickets.
Yup. Same with the job ads now popping up on TH-cam. "Delta, Disney, NOW HIRING!" They're not getting you a job. Every time you click, you keep whoever's posting those ads employed.
It is like HR. It isn't "human resources". It is "Human as resources and make sure we don't get sued by our employees".
The truth.
To be fair, they do manage the human resources of the company. That doesn't mean they are reliable resource for said humans.
that sounds about right
I love the recruiter who says, "You are perfect for this role and I am going to forward you to the next step." Followed by a "go to hell" email.
I am a recruiter and I assure you you will not hear such things from us, worst case scenario we say the company hasn't replied and it would be in your best interest to look for a job because the companies might not respond except really late
I know I'm late to the party, but I just wanted to write and say thank you for all the advice. After realizing I was significantly underpaid, I put myself out there and ended up getting a new position at a 47% salary increase. Seriously, I can't thank you enough!
That’s so awesome to hear. Congrats to you.🎉
Thanks for driving the point home! The recruiter actually connects with you to get each other's first impressions
"The recruiter's job isn't to find you a job. It's the other way around."
Oh, I need to find him a real job, gotcha
This is the MOST important lesson I learnt which was the recruiter was not my friend and supporter and only worked for the firm I joined. When things went bad the recruiter flipped on me and even attempted to ask me to contribute towards his lost commission! Thankfully I’m a lawyer and had to explain privity of contract to a specialised legal recruiter. Not a pleasant experience. My takeaway is:
1. Don’t ever come across as desperate with a recruiter / play it cool.
2. Don’t EVER disclose your salary because that can impact the recruiters perception of you especially if you are potentially looking to make a huge salary jump.
3. 95% of recruiters will not bother to reconnect with you except to check you have started so that they can claim their headhunter fee - once they have their fees they move on.
4. NEVER apply for a job because a recruiter pressurises you to apply for a role because he or she only cares about their commission! If your gut says no to a job then just say it and if the recruiter gets butt sore then that’s on him or her.
5. If a recruiter doesn’t come back after a final interview you DID not get the job and keep applying and do not wait for the recruiter to get back to you.
As a lawyer who has been in the legal business for 20 years and having worked at top tier firms both in the uk and overseas the above is my summary of experience. Not wanting to malign all recruiters but they are like used car salesmen/women! Do your own due diligence and never feel guilty about saying no thanks to a firm job offer if you get something better - I’ve done that plenty of times and it’s part of their job!
Thank you for this information.
Thank you. Young graduates are drilled into believing so many unhelpful untruths, to the point that believing anything else marks you as a negative person, even amongst peers. Just having someone out there who explains these things will help it click and reduce so much of the frustration.
My biggest complaint about our education system is that its mostly focused on teaching us technical skills. If someone taught me all the street smarts of the corporate world I wouldn't have struggled so much in my early 20s in order to learn them through the school of hard knocks. Why no one tell us in school to watch our backs for toxic colleagues trying to backstab you or why we should try having passive income so we wont have to be a wage slave for the remainder of our lives? There is something really wrong with our education system. I wish we woul've been exposed with those raw truths about the corporate life in school rather than the romanticized version professors and teachers taught us. Although learning by rolling with the punches give us wisdom it hurts and it's time wasted that we could've been using to effectively improve our careers and life even more.
Here is some common sense advice for life: if you are not the one who is paying a person or company for their time, then you are not the customer. More than likely, you are the product.
If you get into a club for free because it's ladies' night, rest assured that you are being used as bait for men to come and buy drinks. You are not the customer, you are the product.
When you buy a ticket to a sporting event, you are the customer and the game is the product.
When you watch a sporting event on free TV, you are *not* the customer. The TV network and advertisers are the customer. You are the product.
So when a recruiter matches you with a job and collects a fee from your new employer but collects nothing from you, you are not the customer. You are the product.
This explains how certain people are pretty much screened out of the job market. Nothing is done for people who need a second chance or arent cream of the crop.
And this is coming back to bite them right now
Really enlightening. I'm a junior corporate recruiter who works on salary, and I've been struggling to understand the perspective of headhunters I've met.
I always knew that this is true. To hear you say it hurts a little, but it is good to know where the recruiter is coming from so you can act accordingly. You think they care about you, but they are only looking out for themselves. You have to look out for yourself. It is a business relationship. The relationship can be mutually beneficial, but they can also drop you like a hot potato.
Years ago, I learned these lesson the hard way. I’m glad you do videos so others don’t have to.
Very True! Most recruiters aren't trying to find you a job! They just give you the info to apply for said job or jobs and expect you to do the rest! At best, they will submit the resume for you and set up the interviews on your behalf.
So, I’ve been going through your content for the last few weeks and the conclusion I’m coming to is figuring out a way to provide an income that will buy out my Job. Because the dream job is not having one. Why spend the best part of your day and life at a Job you have to negotiate land mines just to get paid. And then spend your days with people you probably wouldn’t have to your home, just to live? Sounds like a losing proposition from where I’m sitting. For those who can it might be a good time to start working for yourself not just in your mentality but in your reality because abusive relationships are not Cool at all.
Bryan is now coming in third on the Google search engine, right after Life After Death and Like After Lockup. Well done Bryan. Still waiting to see some drumming videos from you out there!
Ha! Really?
No kidding. This one Asian recuiter tried to get me to quit my job and be unemployed for a month before starting at another company due to some scheduling conflicts that I had.
I've worked with recruiters, been ghosted by some, but never had a recruiter suggest I quit so that recruiter could get paid.
I declined to do so and the recruiter blacklisted me in their system.
That's crazy!
I hope you wrote negative reviews online for everyone to see.
What a selfish idiot this recruiter was. It amazes me how some people can be so selfish and self-centered to the point of not worrying about putting other's people's wellbeing and career in danger.
I'm guessing this recruiter was from the country that surrounds Bangladesh.
5:40 ATS: Applicant Tracking Systems.
I am at a point with recuriters and HR that i am very direct with responses and set my expectations clear. It is not go a fit, keep it moving. Also only conduct interviews between 11am and 3 pm Tuesday thru Thursday.
Very mix bag when dealing with recruiters. Some will get you an interview the same week and others will bullshit with you, or you will never hear from them again (More bullshit). Ghosting is very common with them and they love overpromising and underdelivering when presenting their opportunities "as the greatest job you've ever came across" type of salesmanship and schemes they pull on candidates. Most are just collecting resumes for future "opportunities" that may or may not exist???
Those offshore recruiters are awful! They are a big part of the reason why took down my linkedin profile because they filled my message box with nonsense. The offers were terrible - they thought that me, a permanent employee with benefits, would be interested in contract work for half of my current pay. Their messages were in broken and awful English.
Offshore recruiters are the bane of a job-hunter's existence in the technical world
Yupe!! All those from India!!
I got my job by applying directly through the website.
Very true omg ! after that one job opportunity they don’t contact you AT ALL ! waste of time
Recruiters aren't your friend. They're using you so use them too. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. It's nothing but a game. Don't hate the player
How do i use them?
Thanks, Brian! Your insights on the role of recruiters and the different types of recruiters are eye-opening. It's important to understand that recruiters focus on finding the right candidates for positions. Building rapport with corporate recruiters and leveraging LinkedIn to connect directly with hiring authorities are excellent strategies. Keep up the fantastic work!
I worked as Firmware Engineer or Software Eng or SQA Eng or math computer teacher. Had about 30 gigs in 30 years.
The contract recruiter is different. Had some good recruiters who got me interviews for many gigs. An interview is a chance to sell yourself.
As a fellow recruiter at a big corporate company - Amen. It’s been something that I always keep repeating to my colleagues. That is why I am trully confused whenever I’m asked to give some „constructive feedback” aka explanation why we didn’t choose a candidate. I never feel comfortable doing that since my job isn’t to develope anyone’s skills, I’m here to fill in the job requsition. On the flip side, giving a straight answer yes or no is a must.
In 2008, I wrote a book on the UK Recruitment Industry: Great Expectations - A Flexible Guide to Flexible Working. It was 80,000 words long and looks in depth at the recruitment industry for temps, contractors and it covers big part on IR35 tax law.
Basically, the central theme was precisely what you have said here in this video. The recruiter is not there to find job seekers a job; they are there to find job seekers for roles. It's obvious really because the job seeker is not paying them; the hiring organisation is.
I have used recruitment agencies and applied direct. I have always being more successful with direct applications.
I had an internal/ "contracted by a company" recruiter contact me the other day about a job that was in line with assembly/ production work. I landed in manufacturing engineering post-graduation for about 3 years now. I replied that I'm an engineer and would like to discuss mechanical engineering roles instead (my major). The recruiter agreed. We talked for a bit, but the recruiter was insistent on passing my information on to ME openings. The reason was that I didn't have that particular job title on my resume. Instead, the recruiter told me about getting my foot in the door for taking lower positions not related to engineering. I guess manufacturing engineering is not a real engineering job. The end of the conversation was not reassuring. Never heard back from them again..lol. Welcome to the 2023 job market!
The thing is, Ben, that a lot of companies use the word "Engineer" very loosely, for better or worst. I'm sure you're a good/great Engineer but many inept recruiters don't know their ass from their head, so they miss out on great candidates that don't "fit" a job title, a "culture fit", and other non-sense they invent through-out a recruiting/hiring process.
Most corporations are full of it, and they find imagined reasons to not hire great people! In terms of "Engineer", in Tech, that word is used very loosely, i.e., Desktop Engineer, Hardware Engineer, Network Engineer and Software Engineer, for instance. I've done all four in my IT Career and to tell you the truth, half the time, there's not much Engineering involved in your daily or weekly tasks or projects. So, it's hard to pinpoint when and why career/job recruiters and corporations became so dumb and inept at hiring great candidates, instead of going for what they know, playing it safe, being scared and not trying to hire the best person on paper or in reality.
I think this is a good signal to discuss a title change with your current company.
I thought that was pretty obvious. They wouldn't be recruiting if there wasn't a job to fill, therefore they're not trying to find YOU a job, they're trying to find someone to fill the position.
That’s interesting. I think there’s differences in terminology between countries. In the UK headhunter refers to executive search, working on retainer.
I had a series of Indian recruiters call me for 6-12 month contract jobs. I replied to a few I am seeking full time only and they replied it might extend.
I ended these calls by saying I'm not leaving a full time position for a contract position with the possibility of extending.
I teach English to some of these Indian recruiters online. They tell me they don't have much luck recruiting Americans, as the positions are too temporary, too limited hours, and of course jokes of salaries.
I got this same experience too. The messages were in awful English. They would say things like "the pay is good" but not what it was. They would cold-contact me, an employee with a permanent job with benefits, if I wanted to do a contract job for half the pay. Just ridiculous - they should be reaching out to unemployed people for that stuff.
@@courtneyshannon2621 The pay is usually 30%-60% higher than full-time employees! As a Contractor and Employee in my work life, being a Contractor is much more lucrative than being an employee, since you can pretty much charge whatever you want for your services, if a corporation is willing to pay for it. On the other hand, those recruiters that contacted you are from outside the U.S., so they don't have any idea what the hourly and salary pay is here in the U.S., based on what city and state you live in. Some offer excellent pay for your services and others just have no clue!
@@izamalcadosa2951 Interesting! All the ones that have contacted me (before I took down my linkedin page down) were bad offers, but I can see how that in different industries contract pay could actually be better.
Can you make a video about job offers coming from the internal recruiter vs headhunter? Do you usually get more from internal recruiter because the process is cheaper?
I work in tech and get approximately 50 inquiries per week between phone, LinkedIn and emails. The recruiters are mostly foreign, but with US based numbers; it is unclear if they are actually located in US or just spoofing numbers. The rare times I engage with a recruiter they sometimes mention they are representing me through the recruiting process; I always insist on correcting them. The best way to find employment has always been to network and skip recruiters altogether. Great content!
I went through a headhunter on my current job. I got offered the position the the company I was applying at asked if I wanted to be a contractor or full time. Of course I said Full Time. The headhunter told me she wished I would have taken contract because they'd continuously get money from the company instead of a lump sum! I say well Full Time I have benefits, PTO time, etc. I do know some people who like working as contractors because they get more per hour.... but on the other hand they have to pay for their own medical, etc. Being full time I started out with 4 weeks PTO, I had to be in office for first two weeks to get trained and used to things... now I have to be in office 2 days a month minimum.
I don't mind "ghosting". If a recruiter were honest about that, they'd have earned a bit of extra respect for that.
In fact, a lot of the process is acting and going through the motions. I don't like that. I'm not in it to pretend or to act, but to get paid doing what I'm good at.
If you're planning to "grade" me on BS, or tolerance for BS, that is a waste of everyone's time and an insult.
If you are crazy enough to sign up with a recruiter who is not retained by the company but you are paying, then they should be working like an agent to get you opportunities and interviews with hiring managers. Otherwise recruiters are not there to find you a job but to find a fit for the job opportunities they have.
I would say that I have noticed something in my job search. I get calls daily from "recruiters" who are asking to present my resume for positions that are already advertised on job boards like Monster, Indeed and so on.
Indeed and Monster is notorious for this.
I’ve had limited experience with recruiters, but they never did me any favors.
I didn't realize that people expect a recruiter to be so hands on in their job search. 😯😯
I recently learned that a former employer now has a new pay calculator based on "education and experience." None of their job postings list salary range. Is this a red flag for me to not consider them as an option?! Thank you for sharing your thoughtful advice.
Recruiters remind me of that scene in Office Space where one of the Bobs asked Tom "What would you say you do here?"
Can confirm this is 100% true
The recruiters I've been approached by are usually Brits, i.e. offshore. I've stopped engaging with them. It's just weird to have a foreigner trying to place me with a company that's "just" 100-200 km away, same corner of my own country...
The companies are checking LinkedIn when recruiters submit your resume or present you to a company. I know because I ask for the name of the client during the pre screening interview phone call. LinkedIn sends weekly emails alerting you of profile views. I’ve seen several of those clients within those notifications after speaking with my recruiter for a potential position. Discriminatory practices if you ask me. However, it’s best to know what type of company you could be working for. I check their LinkedIn profiles too. 😊
I applied for a job that required a certain certification, I finally finished school and got it. I applied to same job who which required that certificate, now they’re telling me, I need another certificate that they just added to the job . This caught me of guard because it wasn’t listed on the job description. Very disappointed spend 6 month in a class for this specific certification to find out I need more…… wow
The recruiter is NOT trying to find you a job. Their job is to fill a position and get their commissions.
More of this! Best video ever and displays how headhunters (external) and internal recruiters work. I’m at an external recruiting agency atm but no job, still paid loan? I don’t get it 😅 but sure I guess😅
Do people who have been working with recruiters for any length of time not know this? I've had so many bad experiences with headhunters, and almost all of my hires have been with the company directly.
Most jobs offers that I got from recruiters trying to reach me on Linkedin were either just average or bad ones. The best jobs that I ever got were the ones I looked for on my own. People need to realize that recruiters and any person working for HR doesn't have your best interest in minds. They are paid to protect and fight for the interests of the captains of industry.
Yupe!! But, more like, kiss and lick ass for their Corporate and HR Overlords! Kissing Captain HR's ass is the most common thing I've seen at Corporations in my 25 years of work experience!! The more you brown-nose, the higher-up you climb the Corporate Ladder in America! Sad but true!
I have been through a few of these Recruiting companies in Australia, so disappointed. They are disorganised, unprofessional and lazy. I have always got my own job through the company.
I always assumed recruiters work of the company, but that's because I've generally dealt with internal recruiters. I always thought headhunters could work for either side, so that's good to know.
Can you cover if it is worthwhile to fill out a general or open application if a company has one listed on their careers page? I've seen mixed responses to this topic.
Very mix bag when dealing with recruiters. Some will get you an interview the same week and others will bullshit with you, or you will never hear from them again. Ghosting is very common with them and they love overpromising and underdelivering when presenting their opportunities "as the greatest job you've ever came across" type of salesmanship and schemes they pull on candidates.
After a while you get a feel for the headhunters and whether there is an actual role. So many industries work closely enough that they don't want to poach and cause bad blood. So they use headhunters to get the person they had in mind, but it has to look legit.
Dude your content is really good, keep it up
I agree. I spent 5 years temping. Worked at some good roles In 2021 Agency called saying she had a g8t role, I wasn't keen. Long story short I lasted 3 weeks. . Eventually signed to Bank at Hospital for Admin
Then this year applied to role
at a local office, higher grade.
I dont understand why a job seeker would think that a HH/recruiter would be working for them. Lol, who pays the recruiter/HH? If you pay, then they work for you.
Absolutely! I try to make as easy as possible for the legit recruiter who contacts me. Call/text them back right away. Need additional info? You got it! It's a sale for them and a job for me! And please folks, don't use multiple recruiters for the same job.
Very informative. Never knew some of this information
I think some of these recruitment places are rock bottom employment for people who work there. I got called by a younger kid, probably 25, who was from the South and took a job in my area (midwest) because he went to school up here and probably met his wife up here. Nice guy, a college baseball pitcher at a small college, and we worked together on a opportunity that didn't pan out. I forgot what he said his degree was in, but like so many of us, I don't think this is where in envisioned himself at that point in his life. I'm sure he will succeed, but at that time, I almost felt bad for him.
I didn't realize that people didn't realize this, especially head hunters.
I had 3 recruiting agencies with me as a candidate. It was nice to have someone "on my side" of a job search.
Over the past few months. 2 of them had to drop me because my current employer now contracts with them. The agency really does work for the company.
I think it's an issue because now the candidate count is a bit fraudulent if used in sales and the recruiters have a smaller pool to work with for other contracts.
In the long run you avoid working at toxic dumpster fires
The company i used to work started using 3rd party recruiters the same time as they started defrauding investors. I switched to the plumbing trade and am now working with people of substantially higher integrity :) Oh, and they pay is alot better too!
Recruiters are often tasked with trying to sell someone on the prospect of working for a company with a toxic work culture and a history of treating employees badly.
I work in tech and have been dealing with a few of these offshore recruiters. It was bad a few months ago, but now I'm seeing more recruiters state-side dropping in my inbox. The annoying thing is in tech you almost need a native/fluent speaker in your language who is a technical recruiter, or it feels like you are talking through a cloud and not getting information across. I work in systems, and no one wants me to touch their routers, but wow is it difficult to tell some of these offshore recruiters that.
That's why recruiters call hiring companies "clients" and job seekers as "candidates"
Recruiters have poisoned the IT job market. Now, I have serious doubts about a company that would outsource their most vital search for resources to a bunch people who know nothing about IT. They have turned something that we have worked our entire career for into a "game show" filled with trivia, challenges and bazaar requirements that deem everyone un-hirable if they haven't spent 5-10 years doing it.
Is there something as some sort of talent agent for workers to find, vet, and connect with opportunities on behalf of workers? Seems like a potential market.
Worst story from accounting school was a female recruiter than tripped me. I never got to talk to the cohort or try for placement that day. It was like I didn't want to sleep with her boyfriend recruiter D&T Boca but I did want to try just as the guys did to pitch for interview.
Brian, you often mention "ATS" but most of us don't know what that that is. Please explain, thanks.
@HowdyMcPickles, ATS stands for Applicant Tracking System, an automated method of receiving, tracking and doing preliminary assessment of job applications -- all before a human lays eyes on your application.
This is where having as many keywords as possible from the Job application in your resume is critical for your application not to end up in the trash.
What about hiring a headhunter who you pay to get you placed?
Hi, I work for a government agency and we only run advertisements on the government site. The jobs won't show up in Google search since we don't pay them. My question is that is there a free website that we can run our advertimsement? Please advise,
Brian, simply put.. You, Sir are a career genius.. Excellent advice, my friend. I've never really thought of it like that, at least not this directly. No offense, put I typically hate recruiters, agencies and all of these labor leeches sucking the blood out of the working person. Direct hire, you know, the old fashioned way was a lot more ethical. Anyhow, cheers.
We're not the customer. We're the product.
I still have a fairly favourable image of recruiters as regular HR was in my experience either bafflingly incompetent or terribly arrogant or both. By the latter, I mean people who let even Ph.D.s wait for the better part of an hour and think that you need to pick up your phone in under a minute for an unscheduled call and questions from you are met with self-righteous anger and indignation... (What would you say is the best reason to start working for you? HOW DARE YOU ASK???? You either made up your mind already or your wasting my god damn time!)
Not to forget that they are usually NEVER prepared and you can count yourself lucky if they remember your name correctly or where you're from (I mean European in Europe, thus, no exotic names).
In the academic field here in Germany, the biggest problem is that many recruiters have no idea about the qualifications of the applicants. You can therefore not estimate whether the requirements match the qualifications. Is it different outside of Germany?
Truth!
If I get a job that’s not flexible den I’m not staying in it. I don’t care how much they pay for it!
Probably not worth giving your time and energy to a company since they can replace you or dictate the amount of time you can work for them‼️
This is an off topic question. Is it a time waste in applying to jobs posted 30+ days or just target postings aged 21 days or less?
How much do you want the job?
Yeah, should be two weeks or less. At the end of the second week you're likely up against a dozen candidates.
Talking about headhunters, not deploying all the puns and jokes that go with it?
The hunting metaphor could lend itself to presenting all the recruiter types caricatured as animal heads over a fireplace.
I have a question. The recruiter has reschedule my phone interview 3 times now. Each time pretty close to last minute. Are they stringing me along?
I knew it. It's to find jobs a you.
There are a few inconsistencies with your speech as I am a recruiter I don't just toss away people like that, if the companies say no we still look for possibilities and if all companies we have a contract with say no then that is the moment things get dicey
Is it worth walking away from a Job after 20 years, or should you stay and hope for a package?
never use recruiters/agencies/et al, they are not your friend....
Nobody is looking out for you. It is all up to you. Important lesson for all yungins out there.
What is their job
If a recruiter isn’t there to find me a job then let’s cut out the middleman and I’ll apply directly to the company. Does the average recruiter even understand my skills and experience? Do they have any clue how to do the job that’s available? If not what’s the point? If you’re not there to help me, you don’t know what I’m capable of doing, and you haven’t got a clue about the job itself why would I want to go through you to try and land the role? This is all just a waste of time for a job hunter who already has to search for jobs, update resumes, network , write cover letters, and submit applications. Adding an additional pointless step with someone who is clueless about the role’s responsibilities is just compiling the time being wasted and time is money.
The point is to exploit you. Take a cut of you’re money. 3rd party agency are trash. Applying is the way to go.
I have a pure curiosity if a recruiter downloaded your resume but they haven't contacted yet and is like 2 weeks that means you will be rejected or is that one resume that makes a difference?
As soon as you're determined not to be moving on to the next round for the role they found you for, you are dead to the recruiter. Ask for feedback on why you didn't move forward...crickets.
The recruiter are more like an annoying obstacle to overcome to get that job.
They shouldn't be. They don't necessarily care if you get hired, but they definitely want someone to get hired. It might as well be you!
Offshore recruiters, take out your white text on yellow background... this goes straight to my spam folder.
I'm here to find the recruiter a job?
Yup. Same with the job ads now popping up on TH-cam. "Delta, Disney, NOW HIRING!" They're not getting you a job. Every time you click, you keep whoever's posting those ads employed.
@@IssanCaliRefugee i am the job?
Human Resources= Heartless Rodents.
please don't insult Heartless Rodents
Then that means that recruiters don’t do anything😂😂😂
Second... what do I win? Lol
You win an “attaboy!”
Its our job to find them a job ?? 😆
Recruiters are so…..
you can cut BS and start from 1:20
Dang I'm first
I’m secobd
A Job Recruiter’s job is to make money off of you.
Pretty much.