the guy gets shitted on & overlooked BY HIS OWN FANBASE on a daily basis, he doesnt need more negative motivation. in the midst of carrying the Celtics thru the playoffs he’s floated in trade rumors for DEVIN fucking BOOKER in BleacherReport. he’s constantly overlooked on podcasts & fan channels (including this one)… there comes a point where nothing is good enough & negative motivation no longer works. give the man his respect or he’s going to walk to get out of the light bright shadow of Jayson Tatum. it gets worse every year.
@@chokloconqueso8446 what year are you stuck in though?? I hang around here too and there’s lots of Jaylen Brown love , he walked off the floor with fans swarming him for fives and some able to get some words off … a woman held him for a short second face to face last night , you think she said “YOU SUCK!!” ?? 😂
@@dragonslayerthegod9284Lol fans have hated on him and it wasn't long ago they were still hating. It's absolutely true media and fans bash this man. I saw a podcast earlier of already trading him if they don't win it all. The Allie Barefoot Girls show. Wasn't even a freaking month into the season. Fans n media, pod-C shyt on this man's name as much as anyone else.
Absolutely disgusting and disrespectful, give the man the credit he deserves. Hopefully he wins finals MVP or something. He’s definitely playing like an MVP
Agreed and honestly.. Celtics fans show Jaylen some cot damn love please. He's disrespected by the national media AND us. I hear more Kornet chants than I do Jaylen chants. White has heard "Mvp" chants several times this year. Jaylen IS OUR SECOND BEST PLAYER AND ITS NOT A WIDE MARGIN. Show him the love.
I needed this pod today. Thrilling win for the Celtics and everyone on ESPN and FS1 were basically saying "the Celtics are trash". You can tell the national media does not like them at this point, Tatum isn't "in your face" enough with stupid quotes like ANT, etc. Windhorst actually said "the Celtics are really starting to annoy me" to justify him rooting against them on the Hoop Collective today. Even within Celtics fandom, it's at the point that JB and JT cannot miss a shot or make one turnover. Two bad possessions in a row and I've got people texting me "I hope they trade Tatum". True fans, save those receipts!!!! All these shows and people better pray that the Celtics lose because if they win we'll never let anyone forget about it for decades. First Things First even said "The Celtics are nowhere near as good as the metrics would suggest" Basically they said ignore the data, they are trash.
Never apologize for how your favorite team wins in the playoffs. We all see how the media flip flops from game to game. I doubt the press would criticize Indiana if they had beaten Boston in the same manner. I rather be up 1-0 with a chance to go up 2-0 compared to last season when the Celtics coughed up game 1 and game 2 at home to Miami.
Last year the Cs would have lost that game 1. They've improved. Yeah they let a lead drop BUT they found a way to come back and win. Last year they wouldn't find a way to get back. BUT NOOOO the natl media doesn't note that now it's #differenthere smh.
I heard it too and got mad when Nick said that in First Thjnfs First… Anyway, his takes are ridiculously bad… don’t know yet how he’s still in national media…
You can’t ignore the win though. The previous champs their faves lost real bad and they did not give horrible takes like they have on the winning Celtics smh I promise all Cs fans should ban the coverage on these shows I’m only supporting actual good coverage not feelings coverage feel like I’m talking to my ex girlfriend with the hate the Cs are receiving
French fan and writer for the Celtics, I have been listening to the podcast on Spotify and just wanted to comment here to say that I love your work and it's always a pleasure to see what you have to say
My guy Jaylen Brown with a great defensive year and arguably his best and most impactful year yet in this league, and no individual awards come with it? That’s fine. Go get that ring and MAKE THEM RESPECT YOU!!
@@jdzspace33 Tatum is more popular with fans from all over than he is with the media pundits. Examplea... JT has the 3rd best selling NBA jersey (only behind Steph and Bron). And JT scored 2nd highest fan vote for All Star East (only behind Giannis).
He getting that 1 box Tatum Treatment now. They made him a playmaker. He had to take 12 threes because it. Tatum takes 3 pull ups and folks wanna cry and say hes settling. When Ant do it they says cuz of the defense🤣
I was saying the same thing. If Tatum put up the last 2 games Edwards has the media and the haters would be running him out of the league. They say "oh oh oh ANT played DEFENSE" but when we point to Tatum playing D and playmaking/rebounding even when his scoring is down it's "Tatum is trash"
Watched the end of the Mavs Twolves game tonight. Mavs squeaked by with 3 pt win. Mavs trailed at times. TNT was glazing "Fantastic win by Luka and the Mavs" blah blah blah. If Celts squeaked by the media would have said "Pacers giving Cs a good run, they almost won" blah blah blah. They don't call the Cs win Fantastic. Bias is unbelievable. 🤷♀️
couldn’t agree more . -lebron isn’t even in the playoffs anymore, and we’re talking about what he thought or said? -caught the guys from down under recap what I think was lk one of our 3pm games? And they had to be up at 4 am or something to watch??? THATS LOCKED ON ☘️ And then your own comment bout the west game . Luka and Kryrie are praised for “switching their normal roles” . But The Jays played horribly , and the “Pacers LOST the game”
@@dragonslayerthegod9284At this point I’m really starting to believe that the Celtics are going to win this whole thing. The hate has been lazy and ridiculous
@@Dreams82978 my new motto has been “that’s life as a Celtics fan” 🤷🏻♂️☘️ Hands down 2 of the greatest in the league right now (hate all you want at their short comings but yet you literally can’t name someone doing it better) but sure , let’s talk about everyone and anything else . Smh it’s a joke
I definitely hit the mailbag with these exact questions so thanks John for the pod. They snubbed Jaylen Brown on both defense and all NBA. This was the best year he's played. Now Tatums words ring true they call us the best team but they don't treat us that way. I can't wait until we make these media guys eat their words! JB ECF MVP JT Finals MVP. Let's go get banner 18!
Someone said Haliburton needs to DEMAND the ball more … same Haliburton that started dribbling like the space jam aliens stole his powers … I’m like DEFINITELY, he should 👌 😂
That’s the problem these days, as a Data Science grad student, trust me, I understand the importance of analytics. But there’s a lot that can be left up to interpretation - from how data is collected, to what the statisticians choose to report, to just different methods of analysis. It’s not the data’s fault, it’s ours. And that’s why it’s so important to actually watch the games as well. Because there’s so much nuance to the data we are given, and there’s so much data out there, it’s a tall task to ask regular people to process it all. And let me say, the term “Sports Analyst” has lost quite a bit of credibility since people with Sports Media degrees are able to put that title on their resume when really they’re sports media personalities- emphasis on personality. There are really good stat-nerds out here in the NBA community, but don’t just trust anyone’s “analysis” without checking their credentials. Media illiteracy continues to be the downfall of conversations about the game I love.
Yeah ima tune the NBA out other than the games on right now ! They are not professionals at all podcast it is thanks guys refreshing to hear basketball and not hate
Call me a blind loyalist but I’m watching Dallas and Minnesotas tendencies, players they’re leaning on … and deep down I’m like, oh if this is what you’re coming with we’re winning a title ☘️🤷🏻♂️
TNT announcers gushing over the "Fantastic win by the Mavs and Luka" right after the game... heck the Wolves almost won and led often. If Mavs were the Cs they wouldn't call the close win "Fantastic". I dislike the national media! 😡
Believe it or not im more worried about dallas than minny. Luka and kyrie have the potential to absolutely break any defense and series. Their ability to take and make tough shots and clutch factor worries me. Let alone both are stepping up defensively in a way we haven't really seen before or expected. I got dalls beating wolves and I think they will be a really tough opponent for the celts.
I don't care about the All NBA stuff and the awards in a vacuum. What annoys me is that the team is being called a superteam by every national media member but they didn't get the awards for it. Pick a side, they're either a superteam or they're not, but you can't call them a superteam if you're not going to acknowledge them as such when it comes to award voting.
Glad you talking about this narrative John, they are now saying the next face of the league is in the West. Moving the goal post saying how no matter if Boston/Pacers win finals it will always be Luka lost or Ant lost the finals not Boston/Pacers won it. I said it last video it’s disgusting how they sat there for 24 hours and just bashed the Celtics for winning. But move the goal post about how the pacers should feel good about giving up that game 1
ESPN and sports media, by and large, has become as fake as professional wrestling 😂 Youve got people like Stephen A and Shannon Sharpe and Keyshawn being the designated heels, and Big Perk comes out trying to make the most outlandish take of all time day in and day out. But the level of Celtics hate is unbelievable, both in the media and in the comments. Its insane, I've never seen a team get maligned by everybody after winning. Apparently they didn't win the game enough. SMH. And JB got snubbed thrice--No all NBA, no All Defense and no Team USA. And you know JB is pissed off about it all. Dude should be rolling out the rest of the playoffs like the Terminator 😂
If the Celtics end up winning the championship, this game will become an all-time game. If they lose, unfortunately, it will just be a footnote. Also Browns the type of dude that will take this snub very personal. 2024/25 JB is going to be a beast.
If this was the warriors winning all you would hear is about how great they were and they are clutch! BS the Celtics won when it mattered, I expect them to come out tomorrow and beat the pacers by at least 15!!
I have seen Jalen Brown play this season as his best ever as a professional. JB is absolutely an All NBA to me and Celtic Nation. 🏆☘️I don't care what the "experts" say.
so a historic 64 win team has 1 all nba rep while 2 teams who got swept in the 1st round have 2? yup. the national media hate the celtics. superteam my ass. JB deserved to be there over lebron or booker. hell, i'd say okc, minnesotta or denver deserved a 2nd rep theire and lets just remove lebron and booker. the celtics disrespect is crazy at this point and other team's fans are just eating it up like its somehow cool to hate on the celtics.
The reason Antman gets more praise is because he does what he do at 22 years old. JT has been choking in most playoff games and finals. He'll have e to change the narrative. If he think game tired him out, what until game 2. Making teams run high speed track is a big part of defeating their opponents.
And do many people are acting like the Pacers just crapped the game away, committing multiple unforced turnovers at the end of the game. They are ignoring that on the Haliburton Tribble off his leg he had been harassed by Jrue, forcing him towards the sideline for multiple seconds before he turned it over; or that the Celtics locked the Pacers down on that in bounds pass and Jaylen was playing excellent defense on Siakham (yes there was grabbing, but there was grabbing on both teams all game that was rarely called).
I’m an Anthony Edwards fan, but if Tatum had the game Edwards just had tonight, the national media would be killing him 4x more than they did today after dropping 36pts 11 rebounds in a win. Let’s see if they have that same energy
the best part about all of this im calling it now 90% of the nba fandom and analysts now: the champs are coming out of the west this year nobody can touch that conference this year 90% of the nba fandom and analysts if the Celtics win this year: of course they were going to win! they were a superteam!
It’s like they can barely enjoy their win if they get one did anyone see how awkward it was when TNT was talking to Derek white after the win. They are not professionals because professionals don’t cover like that you’d think they were covering a terrible team smh
End of the day, once All-NBA was tied to contracts, I knew it was going to be a sham moving forward. Agents are in ears of the voters for guys who have max eligibility on the line, silver wants to see those contracts too. Players want it, so the union is prolly in on it too.. It's just politics now. Literally every NBA analyst had JB as a borderline 2nd/top of the list 3rd teamer and he didn't even make it.. That tells me that it really came down to "we gave him the nod and he got his bag, now he's the sacraficial lamb for x guy to get his bag". Which okay cool.. but shame on them for doing that AND leaving him off all defensive too.
JB they did it to you again Why because you’re out spoken man that sucks but you’re a strong leader we the fans will prove them wrong, they pick ah lot of good players but they’re always hurt what is the criteria?to make the team i guess they don’t like the Celtics that’s it Let’s go Celtics you can do it tonight make them fret let’s go energy toughness attitude and don’t give ah damn about the hater’s get those assists make that ball do the job,toughness ☘️☘️☘️🔥🔥🔥🔥🏀💪🏾
Jaylen brown also got snubbed from the intro song… where is his mention in it? Not trying to troll. Really can’t hear it and it would be so typical for him to not be mentioned lol
Jaylen gotta get the fuck out of Boston. he barely got mentioned in the first segment of THIS SHOW, why would he be in the intro song? there was more discussion about Tatum’s pick-setting in the Cavs series than about Jaylen’s steal & game-saving shot.
@@chokloconqueso8446 Jayen gotta get the fuck out of Boston? How about you go be a Heat fan instead, buddy. No true Boston fan wants to run Jaylen out of town. Go troll someone else's fan channel.
I think Haliburton got the nod because of his contract... however, you coupd take a number of players off that 3rd team. Brown was clearly 1 of the best 12 or 13.
100%, its all a game of contracts now. Jaylen got a nudge up the rankings last year so he could get his bag, and this year he was the sacraficial lamb for hali. That said there was still a few guys who made it that he should have made it over.
They take their Cue from the Local Sports Media…! The National Sports Networks only parrot what these podcasts say…! Until now because I have publicly pointed it out…! 😂
If the celtics convert 10 of the 2 missed threes as either 3s or 2s it's a 20 point blow out, when they were up by 10 and 12 they kept shooting 3s instead of going for the easy layup or pass for a layup. Shooting the 3 doesn't allow them to get rebounds since everyone is on the boundary. When they are up just take the easy points. I get they will miss sometimes but like keep the foot down don't let them back in
You gotta be who you are. Celtics are about taking good shots, whoever has them. Often times that is a three. I think its more about working for a good look vs the first one than it is about 3s vs rim looks... When we got up I saw a lot more quick triggers and contested shots in general. Both from three and inside.
@nickgilday8946 my question is when you are up by 12 and 10 and then 15 why are we not continuously driving to the paint when it's given to us. That would add on points to the leads we have had. In addition you are playing to the pacers strengths by giving them rebounds the celtics shot 45 3s that is a lot on non made shots
@@sbrady1790 That's assuming a lot. Missed layups are killers cuz they lead to easy transition opportunities for Indy. How do you know these are "easy" points.. Easy is open. This team at their best when they are moving the ball and taking advantage of catching the defense in rotation. THAT is what leads to easy looks and increases leads. Where we get in trouble is when we try to force the situation and attack mismatches too heavily or put our heads down and attack the rim etc etc. Thats when the bad shots and turnovers happen more frequently. It's not as simple as threes vs twos - its about forcing the defense to make a mistake through penetration and ball movement. If that leads to a layup. amazing. If that leads to a wide open three. Also amazing.
@@nickgilday8946 my point is you can rebound a layup with people in the paint you cannot do so with the whole team outside the arc. The pacers did it all game when they came back
"Tyrese Haliburton makes third-team All-NBA which means a $40+million raise over five years" maybe this is an answer why Haliburton got in to third-team All-NBA. Jaylen Brown got his biggest contract ever last year. And maybe that is what helped Jaylen got in all NBA last year.
I get it that a lot of the media don’t give Boston any credit, are hypocrites and genuinely don’t like us. But there’s nothing any of us can do about it other than support our Celts. To say it over and over and over and over again gets old real quick. Fck ‘em people-move on ffs. 🤷🏻♂️I’m probably jaded more than most as I’ve been listening to & hearing this garbage since the 80’s-90’s. By all means express yourself but if you can’t stand a certain channel, radio broadcaster or talking head, then don’t listen to them. 🗣️🙉
Right at 33:40 is exactly why the Celtic will lose this year. The "open 3 is better than a contested layup" game plan is completely, totally unworkable in the playoffs. The Celts shoot about 32% form 3 in the playoffs and thay = lose the game. It is a stupid strategy
I wanna be the FIRST one to mention its gonna be very sweet beating Kyrie in the Finals!😃 I already know the whole Celtics media gonna beat that into the ground next week so just know I said it first on Locked On Celtics comment section!🔮🤣🤣☘️🏆
It would be lovely but I actually think the mavs are tougher out than wolves. I also just.. I KNOW kyrie will hint towards the fans saying/doing things that are unsavory and allow that narrative to blow up fair or not. He hates us as much as we hate him and he knows what strings to pull. Not saying fans won't say/do things that are truly are terrible. They might, they might not.. But I know he'll make sure to say things that hint towards it whether it happens or not.
Was listening to ESPN or something yesterday and they were going over the game and the guy with a straight face and tone said Jayson Tatum, Not a good game, 36 pts 12 reb 4 assists. How on earth do you say that with a straight face. 😂😂😂 What I want to know, if Jayson Tatum sucks SOOOO bad and is only a role player, then why is 36/12/4 not a good game? (Which isn't even his entire statline) Also, what otherplayer in the NBA do they expect to have a higher statline every night than that? I guess that means they really think he is the best player in the world on the inside.
As has been mentioned, definitely not a great 4th and I'll give everyone this - Tatum doesn't tend to hit shots with under 20 seconds left in a quarter/half/game. But to say he is terrible is ridiculous, and to say, "ignore the stats he generates he's awful" is crazy. Here is the reason people dislike Tatum - yes the 20 dribble step back contested 3 is annoying. I see plenty of other superstars take and miss these too. But he is low energy in the interviews. The media hates this. He is very thoughtful and sincere, doesn't yell stuff like "Bring Ya Ass" like ANT, etc. Colin Cowherd is on record that he does not like Tatum's personality at all and feels he shouldn't be considered a superstar. He doesn't call out guys with bravado so they don't want him as the face of the league. They want Ja or ANT types. I couldn't care less about the face of the league. All I know is that I think we win a lot less games if Tatum wasn't here.
I don't think he'll be stat hunting and honestly I think they pushed him down a few spots cuz they propped him up a few last year to get the bag. Its unfortunate that all nba is now tied to contracts because its just a political game now. Wouldn't surprise ome at all if Hali has a good year next year, very deserving of a nod, and doesn't make it cuz someone like banchero or a younger guy is due for a potential supermax. I think JB will make it though cuz he's "done his duty"
Okay if it were reversed... would you feel like we blew it or indy took it? I think it takes two to make a comeback like this happen. Indy DID blow it, and we DID take it from them.
I’m glad we were able to get away with a dub, but the behind the head pass that Tatum made in the waning moments of this game is one of the main reasons he will never win an MVP. I’ll advise shots at times extremely poor passing decisions at times Are not MVP qualities. Great scorer but all around game definitely has deficiencies still.
Its tough because when you look at it from the lense of total 4th plus OT... This is where he is weakest. He is an amazing player, but more often than not his late game performances are an absolute roller coaster. The other night is a perfect example. Zero points or assists in the fourth quarter until like 9 mins in I think? Couldn't hit a thing until neismith was out (credit to him). OT he gets the and 1 and the 3 and hits some foul shots but he also had the outrageous turnover at a TERRIBLE time that allowed Indy to get right back in it. Then caught the foul that gave them life again on Obi. To his credit I thought he was great defensively, specifically at the end of regulation when he forced a really tough shot for hali. In the past he has let his offense dictate his defense too often, and that didn't happen game 1 and hasn't happened often this year. I think he just needs to work on his late game shot selection. You dont' need to take side step threes and fade aways etc with this celtics team. Move the ball, work off ball to get open. Trust the team and the ball will find its way back to you in much better positions to succeed.
Tatum does have a crying problem…. He does look like a giant baby at times….Not a basketball problem, but a personality problem. I wish he’d stop getting techs for whining to the refs.
The Celtics are the team the LeMedia loves to hate. It's a boring take at this point, and if you go in front of a camera with that take, you are a boring human being. You're a meme.
Its funny to me about jaylen cuz basically every podcast ive heard from the national media members had jaylen as a back end second teamer and frontline 3rd with Hali on the outside looking in... yet when the voting comes out its clear SOMETHING swayed them to leave him off completely and put hali in... WONDER WHAT THAT COULD BE LOL
Unfortunately for Brown, over the years he has taken a back seat to Tatum and has allowed Tatum to shine at his expense, a lot of the Celtic media criticize him for disappearing in games but that is because Tatum in those moments has the ball and doesn't want to pass it. Brown can have 26 points by the end of the third quarter and only gets 1 or 2 more shots in the 4th quarter....Tatum juts gets to eat more....and Brown seems to be okay with that. In this recent game, Brown had the opportunity to shoot it 5 to 8 more times, but instead he decided to pass it, and that is how Jrue holiday got most of his points....Tatum in important moments needs to trust his players and pass it more, instead of trying to take over games and playing miserable.
@@mikotagayuna8494 even a broken clock is right twice…he got lucky, my point is that in moments like this, he only wants the glory for himself and completely ignores the rest of his teammates that can also get you buckets…
@@francisco2525 "He only wants the glory for himself." So, not only are you a mind reader, you are also not watching games and seeing how JT is actually sacrificing his touches so he can enable his teammates. In fact, this is exactly why the media criticizes Tatum. They want him to resort to selfish hero ball instead of deferring TOO MUCH to his team yet here you are claiming he doesn't do it enough. Show proof that the team and the coaching staff thinks Tatum is trying to do too much. Spoiler: you can't because what he does on the court is well within the instructions he receives and what his team expects from him.
Jon…. Is tiring to hear from you how great Celtics are…how great Tatum is etc…. This team has a problem unfortunately and putting things under the rug.. won’t do it
They have the best record in the playoffs at 9-2 after a 64-18 regular season, which was the best record in the league by 7 games. So they're 73-20 overall and up 1-0 in the conference finals. Just stop talking, dude.
We can always count on OP, junior***, and choklo**** to give us the negative view here. Asterisks to mask full names so my comment wont get deleted lol.@@chrish2112
Jaylen Brown getting snubbed should be be more motivation for him. To win it all
Yup
CLAMPS 🗜️
the guy gets shitted on & overlooked BY HIS OWN FANBASE on a daily basis, he doesnt need more negative motivation.
in the midst of carrying the Celtics thru the playoffs he’s floated in trade rumors for DEVIN fucking BOOKER in BleacherReport.
he’s constantly overlooked on podcasts & fan channels (including this one)…
there comes a point where nothing is good enough & negative motivation no longer works.
give the man his respect or he’s going to walk to get out of the light bright shadow of Jayson Tatum.
it gets worse every year.
@@chokloconqueso8446 what year are you stuck in though?? I hang around here too and there’s lots of Jaylen Brown love , he walked off the floor with fans swarming him for fives and some able to get some words off … a woman held him for a short second face to face last night , you think she said “YOU SUCK!!” ?? 😂
@@dragonslayerthegod9284Lol fans have hated on him and it wasn't long ago they were still hating. It's absolutely true media and fans bash this man. I saw a podcast earlier of already trading him if they don't win it all. The Allie Barefoot Girls show. Wasn't even a freaking month into the season. Fans n media, pod-C shyt on this man's name as much as anyone else.
We need to get Horford a ring dudes had a hella long career and hasn't won a ring yet dude deserves one
It’s honestly refreshing to hear some damn praise for the Jays for once!!
Like you’ve been saying John, we come for the REAL-BASKETBALL talk 🔒 ☘️
Absolutely disgusting and disrespectful, give the man the credit he deserves. Hopefully he wins finals MVP or something. He’s definitely playing like an MVP
Agreed and honestly.. Celtics fans show Jaylen some cot damn love please. He's disrespected by the national media AND us. I hear more Kornet chants than I do Jaylen chants. White has heard "Mvp" chants several times this year. Jaylen IS OUR SECOND BEST PLAYER AND ITS NOT A WIDE MARGIN. Show him the love.
@@nickgilday8946 1000% - we need to be appreciating JB way more than we do
I needed this pod today. Thrilling win for the Celtics and everyone on ESPN and FS1 were basically saying "the Celtics are trash". You can tell the national media does not like them at this point, Tatum isn't "in your face" enough with stupid quotes like ANT, etc. Windhorst actually said "the Celtics are really starting to annoy me" to justify him rooting against them on the Hoop Collective today. Even within Celtics fandom, it's at the point that JB and JT cannot miss a shot or make one turnover. Two bad possessions in a row and I've got people texting me "I hope they trade Tatum". True fans, save those receipts!!!! All these shows and people better pray that the Celtics lose because if they win we'll never let anyone forget about it for decades. First Things First even said "The Celtics are nowhere near as good as the metrics would suggest" Basically they said ignore the data, they are trash.
Never apologize for how your favorite team wins in the playoffs. We all see how the media flip flops from game to game. I doubt the press would criticize Indiana if they had beaten Boston in the same manner. I rather be up 1-0 with a chance to go up 2-0 compared to last season when the Celtics coughed up game 1 and game 2 at home to Miami.
Last year the Cs would have lost that game 1. They've improved. Yeah they let a lead drop BUT they found a way to come back and win. Last year they wouldn't find a way to get back. BUT NOOOO the natl media doesn't note that now it's #differenthere smh.
I heard it too and got mad when Nick said that in First Thjnfs First… Anyway, his takes are ridiculously bad… don’t know yet how he’s still in national media…
You can’t ignore the win though. The previous champs their faves lost real bad and they did not give horrible takes like they have on the winning Celtics smh I promise all Cs fans should ban the coverage on these shows I’m only supporting actual good coverage not feelings coverage feel like I’m talking to my ex girlfriend with the hate the Cs are receiving
@@kamarporter6099 agree
The thumbs up with the fireworks was lit Tom👍🏾
French fan and writer for the Celtics, I have been listening to the podcast on Spotify and just wanted to comment here to say that I love your work and it's always a pleasure to see what you have to say
My guy Jaylen Brown with a great defensive year and arguably his best and most impactful year yet in this league, and no individual awards come with it? That’s fine. Go get that ring and MAKE THEM RESPECT YOU!!
While JB did get All Star, he should have also received All Defense and All NBA.
If there is any player on this team who I expect to harness this disrespect in the right way - its him. Watch out NBA, yall just did us a favor.
The thing that doesn't make sense is that, the national media holds Tatum to "Face of the League" standards but continually place him out the top 5.
Because they want him to be the face of the league, but he consistently falls short of that
@@jdzspace33 how when the previous two faces of the league didn't win chips until 27/28.
@@jdzspace33 Tatum is more popular with fans from all over than he is with the media pundits. Examplea... JT has the 3rd best selling NBA jersey (only behind Steph and Bron). And JT scored 2nd highest fan vote for All Star East (only behind Giannis).
@Robin-xt7yo I'm not saying he's not popular, or great, but he hasn't been race of the league great. And he has that kind of talent
@@cjaimez5895 they also didn't get a close as he had a much as he has, with the teams he's had
The NBA's awards voting is a joke. The fact that you have people like Kendrick Perkins voting tells you everything you need to know.
I would be shocked if Perk didn't vote for JB
Kendrick can't even spell his own name
@leafygreen2799 I wouldn't, the NBA's awards voting is a popularity contest.
@leafygreen2799 The NBA just tweeted the voter's ballots and Perkins did not vote for JB.
What will the media say about Edwards after THAT performance tonight? Dude was GASSED in the 4th quarter 😂
They gonna praise him
He getting that 1 box Tatum Treatment now. They made him a playmaker. He had to take 12 threes because it. Tatum takes 3 pull ups and folks wanna cry and say hes settling. When Ant do it they says cuz of the defense🤣
I was saying the same thing. If Tatum put up the last 2 games Edwards has the media and the haters would be running him out of the league. They say "oh oh oh ANT played DEFENSE" but when we point to Tatum playing D and playmaking/rebounding even when his scoring is down it's "Tatum is trash"
Thank u John and Tom the narratives getting tired I really hope these guys win
Watched the end of the Mavs Twolves game tonight. Mavs squeaked by with 3 pt win. Mavs trailed at times. TNT was glazing "Fantastic win by Luka and the Mavs" blah blah blah. If Celts squeaked by the media would have said "Pacers giving Cs a good run, they almost won" blah blah blah. They don't call the Cs win Fantastic. Bias is unbelievable. 🤷♀️
couldn’t agree more .
-lebron isn’t even in the playoffs anymore, and we’re talking about what he thought or said?
-caught the guys from down under recap what I think was lk one of our 3pm games? And they had to be up at 4 am or something to watch??? THATS LOCKED ON ☘️
And then your own comment bout the west game . Luka and Kryrie are praised for “switching their normal roles” . But The Jays played horribly , and the “Pacers LOST the game”
@@dragonslayerthegod9284At this point I’m really starting to believe that the Celtics are going to win this whole thing. The hate has been lazy and ridiculous
@@Dreams82978 my new motto has been “that’s life as a Celtics fan” 🤷🏻♂️☘️
Hands down 2 of the greatest in the league right now (hate all you want at their short comings but yet you literally can’t name someone doing it better) but sure , let’s talk about everyone and anything else . Smh it’s a joke
I definitely hit the mailbag with these exact questions so thanks John for the pod. They snubbed Jaylen Brown on both defense and all NBA. This was the best year he's played. Now Tatums words ring true they call us the best team but they don't treat us that way. I can't wait until we make these media guys eat their words! JB ECF MVP JT Finals MVP. Let's go get banner 18!
Agree with you John that JB should have gotten All NBA over Haliburton.
Didn't Haliburton miss too many games to get any of that kind of recognition? Or is that only for awards?
Someone said Haliburton needs to DEMAND the ball more … same Haliburton that started dribbling like the space jam aliens stole his powers …
I’m like DEFINITELY, he should 👌 😂
@@jdzspace33 Hali played 69 reg games. Just 4 more than the 65 requirement.
@@Robin-xt7yo ahh...I thought that last injury against Boston put him over that line
These awards aim to cover a wide swath of the NBA. Haliburton is there because the Pacers somehow needs to be represented.
I love Tom’s summary of the media cycle
Now this is podcasting had to be a Star Wars episode 1 reference. Now this is Pod Racing!
That’s the problem these days, as a Data Science grad student, trust me, I understand the importance of analytics. But there’s a lot that can be left up to interpretation - from how data is collected, to what the statisticians choose to report, to just different methods of analysis. It’s not the data’s fault, it’s ours. And that’s why it’s so important to actually watch the games as well. Because there’s so much nuance to the data we are given, and there’s so much data out there, it’s a tall task to ask regular people to process it all. And let me say, the term “Sports Analyst” has lost quite a bit of credibility since people with Sports Media degrees are able to put that title on their resume when really they’re sports media personalities- emphasis on personality. There are really good stat-nerds out here in the NBA community, but don’t just trust anyone’s “analysis” without checking their credentials. Media illiteracy continues to be the downfall of conversations about the game I love.
100. Numbers don't lie but people do and they will use the data to manipulate the outcomes they want.
Yeah ima tune the NBA out other than the games on right now ! They are not professionals at all podcast it is thanks guys refreshing to hear basketball and not hate
For reference of the 26 teams that won 64 wins or more, 5 teams had only 1 All-NBA guy. All 5 of those guys won the MVP that year.
So this year's Celtics would be the 27th team with 64+ wins and the first with only 1 All-NBA player who didn't win MVP? Do I have that right??
He gets penalized for being on too good of a team. There is a reason his scoring was down, it's because all the other guys can score too
Call me a blind loyalist but I’m watching Dallas and Minnesotas tendencies, players they’re leaning on … and deep down I’m like, oh if this is what you’re coming with we’re winning a title ☘️🤷🏻♂️
TNT announcers gushing over the "Fantastic win by the Mavs and Luka" right after the game... heck the Wolves almost won and led often. If Mavs were the Cs they wouldn't call the close win "Fantastic". I dislike the national media! 😡
Same here
Believe it or not im more worried about dallas than minny. Luka and kyrie have the potential to absolutely break any defense and series. Their ability to take and make tough shots and clutch factor worries me. Let alone both are stepping up defensively in a way we haven't really seen before or expected. I got dalls beating wolves and I think they will be a really tough opponent for the celts.
@@nickgilday8946 nah. Tatum owns Luka..
@@Chrism7178 Well its likely we'll find out one way or another
I don't care about the All NBA stuff and the awards in a vacuum. What annoys me is that the team is being called a superteam by every national media member but they didn't get the awards for it. Pick a side, they're either a superteam or they're not, but you can't call them a superteam if you're not going to acknowledge them as such when it comes to award voting.
Good point. I think Jaylen got snubbed this year cuz he was propped up last year, and I think hali got the nod so he could get the bag.
Glad you talking about this narrative John, they are now saying the next face of the league is in the West. Moving the goal post saying how no matter if Boston/Pacers win finals it will always be Luka lost or Ant lost the finals not Boston/Pacers won it. I said it last video it’s disgusting how they sat there for 24 hours and just bashed the Celtics for winning. But move the goal post about how the pacers should feel good about giving up that game 1
do you think Tillman will get some run? As much as I love Luke, I'd like to see X get a chance to contribute and I think he can add to winning
ESPN and sports media, by and large, has become as fake as professional wrestling 😂 Youve got people like Stephen A and Shannon Sharpe and Keyshawn being the designated heels, and Big Perk comes out trying to make the most outlandish take of all time day in and day out. But the level of Celtics hate is unbelievable, both in the media and in the comments. Its insane, I've never seen a team get maligned by everybody after winning. Apparently they didn't win the game enough. SMH. And JB got snubbed thrice--No all NBA, no All Defense and no Team USA. And you know JB is pissed off about it all. Dude should be rolling out the rest of the playoffs like the Terminator 😂
ignoring the hot takes and hot garbage and just enjoying this team play good basketball (which is why I watch your podcast and not many others)
If the Celtics end up winning the championship, this game will become an all-time game. If they lose, unfortunately, it will just be a footnote.
Also Browns the type of dude that will take this snub very personal. 2024/25 JB is going to be a beast.
If this was the warriors winning all you would hear is about how great they were and they are clutch! BS the Celtics won when it mattered, I expect them to come out tomorrow and beat the pacers by at least 15!!
I have seen Jalen Brown play this season as his best ever as a professional. JB is absolutely an All NBA to me and Celtic Nation. 🏆☘️I don't care what the "experts" say.
so a historic 64 win team has 1 all nba rep while 2 teams who got swept in the 1st round have 2? yup. the national media hate the celtics. superteam my ass. JB deserved to be there over lebron or booker. hell, i'd say okc, minnesotta or denver deserved a 2nd rep theire and lets just remove lebron and booker. the celtics disrespect is crazy at this point and other team's fans are just eating it up like its somehow cool to hate on the celtics.
yep, JB and Maxey
not over booker...lebron yes
"Now this is podcasting" LOL!!!
The reason Antman gets more praise is because he does what he do at 22 years old. JT has been choking in most playoff games and finals. He'll have e to change the narrative. If he think game tired him out, what until game 2. Making teams run high speed track is a big part of defeating their opponents.
Finals MVP would be alot more gratifying to JB than 3rd team All-NBA.
One actually earns that moniker.
And do many people are acting like the Pacers just crapped the game away, committing multiple unforced turnovers at the end of the game. They are ignoring that on the Haliburton Tribble off his leg he had been harassed by Jrue, forcing him towards the sideline for multiple seconds before he turned it over; or that the Celtics locked the Pacers down on that in bounds pass and Jaylen was playing excellent defense on Siakham (yes there was grabbing, but there was grabbing on both teams all game that was rarely called).
I’m an Anthony Edwards fan, but if Tatum had the game Edwards just had tonight, the national media would be killing him 4x more than they did today after dropping 36pts 11 rebounds in a win. Let’s see if they have that same energy
Appreciate you saying it. I stopped defending Tatum a while back it was exhausting. Just enjoying the ride
Ofc they won’t they said automatically the person coming out the west is the face of the league. Shi is comical
@@Memo_323 I’m about to be like you and enjoy the playoff run also. Just had to say something after the stuff I heard on BSPN today
Edwards played amazing tonight, he's better than Jordan
@@althor5980😂😂😂😂😂😂
the best part about all of this im calling it now
90% of the nba fandom and analysts now: the champs are coming out of the west this year nobody can touch that conference this year
90% of the nba fandom and analysts if the Celtics win this year: of course they were going to win! they were a superteam!
It’s like they can barely enjoy their win if they get one did anyone see how awkward it was when TNT was talking to Derek white after the win. They are not professionals because professionals don’t cover like that you’d think they were covering a terrible team smh
The Pacers are the same as they were in the regular season which was a match up problem
WINNING!!!!!💚☘☘☘☘
End of the day, once All-NBA was tied to contracts, I knew it was going to be a sham moving forward. Agents are in ears of the voters for guys who have max eligibility on the line, silver wants to see those contracts too. Players want it, so the union is prolly in on it too.. It's just politics now. Literally every NBA analyst had JB as a borderline 2nd/top of the list 3rd teamer and he didn't even make it.. That tells me that it really came down to "we gave him the nod and he got his bag, now he's the sacraficial lamb for x guy to get his bag". Which okay cool.. but shame on them for doing that AND leaving him off all defensive too.
JB they did it to you again
Why because you’re out spoken
man that sucks but you’re a strong leader we the fans will prove them wrong, they pick ah lot of good players but they’re always hurt what is the criteria?to make the team i guess they don’t like the Celtics that’s it
Let’s go Celtics you can do it tonight make them fret let’s go energy toughness attitude and don’t give ah damn about the hater’s get those assists make that ball do the job,toughness ☘️☘️☘️🔥🔥🔥🔥🏀💪🏾
Jaylen brown also got snubbed from the intro song… where is his mention in it? Not trying to troll. Really can’t hear it and it would be so typical for him to not be mentioned lol
Jaylen gotta get the fuck out of Boston.
he barely got mentioned in the first segment of THIS SHOW, why would he be in the intro song?
there was more discussion about Tatum’s pick-setting in the Cavs series than about Jaylen’s steal & game-saving shot.
@@chokloconqueso8446 Yesterday's LoC show had praise for JB's game tying corner 3.
@@chokloconqueso8446 Jayen gotta get the fuck out of Boston? How about you go be a Heat fan instead, buddy. No true Boston fan wants to run Jaylen out of town. Go troll someone else's fan channel.
0:24 “JUICE and big duece” yall swear John and the Celtics media hates JB😂
Jaylen got that dawg in him this year. This will 100% motivate him. I bet he goes off game 2
That's for sure . Im sure he mad af
I wonder if Haliburtons contract situation impacted the voters at all
I think Haliburton got the nod because of his contract... however, you coupd take a number of players off that 3rd team.
Brown was clearly 1 of the best 12 or 13.
100%, its all a game of contracts now. Jaylen got a nudge up the rankings last year so he could get his bag, and this year he was the sacraficial lamb for hali. That said there was still a few guys who made it that he should have made it over.
When are we getting the first "Is Ant E overrated" thread. Welcome to Jason Tatum's wold Anthony. Jason and Jaylen where great. Game 2 go C's.
Winning the championship is a good way to throw it in the faces of all those who disrespected J.B!! Screw the All-NBA snub!! Hes going for finals mvp
Massive snub the national media completely ignores Jaylen it’s all Tatum all the time.
They take their Cue from the Local Sports Media…! The National Sports Networks only parrot what these podcasts say…! Until now because I have publicly pointed it out…! 😂
I like the new intro to the podcast @JohnKaralis 🍀 🍀 🍀 🍀
I like it now!
I like the other intro as well but it was time for an updated version of the intro to the Locked On Celtics podcast.
It grew on me and now i jam out to it just the same as the old one. Always nice to keep things fresh
If the celtics convert 10 of the 2 missed threes as either 3s or 2s it's a 20 point blow out, when they were up by 10 and 12 they kept shooting 3s instead of going for the easy layup or pass for a layup. Shooting the 3 doesn't allow them to get rebounds since everyone is on the boundary. When they are up just take the easy points. I get they will miss sometimes but like keep the foot down don't let them back in
You gotta be who you are. Celtics are about taking good shots, whoever has them. Often times that is a three. I think its more about working for a good look vs the first one than it is about 3s vs rim looks... When we got up I saw a lot more quick triggers and contested shots in general. Both from three and inside.
@nickgilday8946 my question is when you are up by 12 and 10 and then 15 why are we not continuously driving to the paint when it's given to us. That would add on points to the leads we have had. In addition you are playing to the pacers strengths by giving them rebounds the celtics shot 45 3s that is a lot on non made shots
@@sbrady1790 That's assuming a lot. Missed layups are killers cuz they lead to easy transition opportunities for Indy. How do you know these are "easy" points.. Easy is open. This team at their best when they are moving the ball and taking advantage of catching the defense in rotation. THAT is what leads to easy looks and increases leads. Where we get in trouble is when we try to force the situation and attack mismatches too heavily or put our heads down and attack the rim etc etc. Thats when the bad shots and turnovers happen more frequently. It's not as simple as threes vs twos - its about forcing the defense to make a mistake through penetration and ball movement. If that leads to a layup. amazing. If that leads to a wide open three. Also amazing.
@@nickgilday8946 my point is you can rebound a layup with people in the paint you cannot do so with the whole team outside the arc. The pacers did it all game when they came back
Wait so the number one team only had 1 all nba player? How is this a super team then I’m actually serious
Every win is just one game closer to Porzingis' return.
"Tyrese Haliburton makes third-team All-NBA which means a $40+million raise over five years" maybe this is an answer why Haliburton got in to third-team All-NBA. Jaylen Brown got his biggest contract ever last year. And maybe that is what helped Jaylen got in all NBA last year.
He was /is better than Brown. He the guy on his team averaging 20 ppg and 11 dimes🤣
I get it that a lot of the media don’t give Boston any credit, are hypocrites and genuinely don’t like us. But there’s nothing any of us can do about it other than support our Celts. To say it over and over and over and over again gets old real quick. Fck ‘em people-move on ffs. 🤷🏻♂️I’m probably jaded more than most as I’ve been listening to & hearing this garbage since the 80’s-90’s. By all means express yourself but if you can’t stand a certain channel, radio broadcaster or talking head, then don’t listen to them. 🗣️🙉
Right at 33:40 is exactly why the Celtic will lose this year. The "open 3 is better than a contested layup" game plan is completely, totally unworkable in the playoffs. The Celts shoot about 32% form 3 in the playoffs and thay = lose the game. It is a stupid strategy
is it necessary to have to listen to what seems like endless opening rap.
I wanna be the FIRST one to mention its gonna be very sweet beating Kyrie in the Finals!😃 I already know the whole Celtics media gonna beat that into the ground next week so just know I said it first on Locked On Celtics comment section!🔮🤣🤣☘️🏆
It would be lovely but I actually think the mavs are tougher out than wolves. I also just.. I KNOW kyrie will hint towards the fans saying/doing things that are unsavory and allow that narrative to blow up fair or not. He hates us as much as we hate him and he knows what strings to pull.
Not saying fans won't say/do things that are truly are terrible. They might, they might not.. But I know he'll make sure to say things that hint towards it whether it happens or not.
Was listening to ESPN or something yesterday and they were going over the game and the guy with a straight face and tone said Jayson Tatum, Not a good game, 36 pts 12 reb 4 assists.
How on earth do you say that with a straight face. 😂😂😂
What I want to know, if Jayson Tatum sucks SOOOO bad and is only a role player, then why is 36/12/4 not a good game? (Which isn't even his entire statline) Also, what otherplayer in the NBA do they expect to have a higher statline every night than that?
I guess that means they really think he is the best player in the world on the inside.
You can say bad 4th. Questionable moments in OT but came through in the end. You can't say "bad game".
As has been mentioned, definitely not a great 4th and I'll give everyone this - Tatum doesn't tend to hit shots with under 20 seconds left in a quarter/half/game. But to say he is terrible is ridiculous, and to say, "ignore the stats he generates he's awful" is crazy. Here is the reason people dislike Tatum - yes the 20 dribble step back contested 3 is annoying. I see plenty of other superstars take and miss these too. But he is low energy in the interviews. The media hates this. He is very thoughtful and sincere, doesn't yell stuff like "Bring Ya Ass" like ANT, etc. Colin Cowherd is on record that he does not like Tatum's personality at all and feels he shouldn't be considered a superstar. He doesn't call out guys with bravado so they don't want him as the face of the league. They want Ja or ANT types. I couldn't care less about the face of the league. All I know is that I think we win a lot less games if Tatum wasn't here.
JB snubbed as all NBA?
Take that anger and win no reason to bring up trash all star game. Nobody plays defense anyway
The voting is biased. It needs to be objective. All NBA. MVP. Next year JB will be stat hunting because this is the only way he can make it.
I don't think he'll be stat hunting and honestly I think they pushed him down a few spots cuz they propped him up a few last year to get the bag. Its unfortunate that all nba is now tied to contracts because its just a political game now. Wouldn't surprise ome at all if Hali has a good year next year, very deserving of a nod, and doesn't make it cuz someone like banchero or a younger guy is due for a potential supermax. I think JB will make it though cuz he's "done his duty"
JB top 7 Tatum top 11
Kawhi makes it .but brown didn't.. this is fckn ridiculous. Smh
They love to hate on the Celtics! We never get respect.
The pacers lost the game than Boston winning it wow Espn
Okay if it were reversed... would you feel like we blew it or indy took it?
I think it takes two to make a comeback like this happen. Indy DID blow it, and we DID take it from them.
I’m getting sick and tired of podcasters. Any ahole with a headset can offer his opinion but I guess we as consumers need to screen better.
So I am listening to you go on and on about fake fireworks . Tom always derails this show
Everyone of your comments is about Tom! What's with the obsession here?😂😂 You were literally counting words that he misused last time. Get help!!
I’m glad we were able to get away with a dub, but the behind the head pass that Tatum made in the waning moments of this game is one of the main reasons he will never win an MVP. I’ll advise shots at times extremely poor passing decisions at times Are not MVP qualities. Great scorer but all around game definitely has deficiencies still.
Its tough because when you look at it from the lense of total 4th plus OT... This is where he is weakest. He is an amazing player, but more often than not his late game performances are an absolute roller coaster. The other night is a perfect example. Zero points or assists in the fourth quarter until like 9 mins in I think? Couldn't hit a thing until neismith was out (credit to him). OT he gets the and 1 and the 3 and hits some foul shots but he also had the outrageous turnover at a TERRIBLE time that allowed Indy to get right back in it. Then caught the foul that gave them life again on Obi.
To his credit I thought he was great defensively, specifically at the end of regulation when he forced a really tough shot for hali. In the past he has let his offense dictate his defense too often, and that didn't happen game 1 and hasn't happened often this year. I think he just needs to work on his late game shot selection. You dont' need to take side step threes and fade aways etc with this celtics team. Move the ball, work off ball to get open. Trust the team and the ball will find its way back to you in much better positions to succeed.
Tatum does have a crying problem…. He does look like a giant baby at times….Not a basketball problem, but a personality problem. I wish he’d stop getting techs for whining to the refs.
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The Celtics are the team the LeMedia loves to hate. It's a boring take at this point, and if you go in front of a camera with that take, you are a boring human being. You're a meme.
Its funny to me about jaylen cuz basically every podcast ive heard from the national media members had jaylen as a back end second teamer and frontline 3rd with Hali on the outside looking in... yet when the voting comes out its clear SOMETHING swayed them to leave him off completely and put hali in... WONDER WHAT THAT COULD BE LOL
just a shame tom isnt as preety as rachel nicol
it wouldnt be Locked On Celtics if every single show didn’t start with 10 minutes of Tatum glaze.
this is putrid 💩
You can always listen to Locked on Heat instead.
No one cares about your stupid JT Vs JB BS! Actual fans of the team just want banner 18
Unfortunately for Brown, over the years he has taken a back seat to Tatum and has allowed Tatum to shine at his expense, a lot of the Celtic media criticize him for disappearing in games but that is because Tatum in those moments has the ball and doesn't want to pass it. Brown can have 26 points by the end of the third quarter and only gets 1 or 2 more shots in the 4th quarter....Tatum juts gets to eat more....and Brown seems to be okay with that. In this recent game, Brown had the opportunity to shoot it 5 to 8 more times, but instead he decided to pass it, and that is how Jrue holiday got most of his points....Tatum in important moments needs to trust his players and pass it more, instead of trying to take over games and playing miserable.
Would you insist on him not taking over when he was scoring 10 points in overtime?
@@mikotagayuna8494 even a broken clock is right twice…he got lucky, my point is that in moments like this, he only wants the glory for himself and completely ignores the rest of his teammates that can also get you buckets…
@@francisco2525 "He only wants the glory for himself." So, not only are you a mind reader, you are also not watching games and seeing how JT is actually sacrificing his touches so he can enable his teammates. In fact, this is exactly why the media criticizes Tatum. They want him to resort to selfish hero ball instead of deferring TOO MUCH to his team yet here you are claiming he doesn't do it enough.
Show proof that the team and the coaching staff thinks Tatum is trying to do too much. Spoiler: you can't because what he does on the court is well within the instructions he receives and what his team expects from him.
Jon…. Is tiring to hear from you how great Celtics are…how great Tatum is etc…. This team has a problem unfortunately and putting things under the rug.. won’t do it
What's their problem? Winning too much?
They have the best record in the playoffs at 9-2 after a 64-18 regular season, which was the best record in the league by 7 games. So they're 73-20 overall and up 1-0 in the conference finals. Just stop talking, dude.
Since when was winning such a bad thing?
We can always count on OP, junior***, and choklo**** to give us the negative view here. Asterisks to mask full names so my comment wont get deleted lol.@@chrish2112
Nice try, 3 year old troll account.
I’ll say it for you, John, WTF!!!!
Now JB can ‘snub’ the NBA & win the ECF MVP!
Game 2 is a sure Celtics loss 15 and 15 at home for the last 30 play off games, my moneys on the pacers by 20 tonight
RIP your bank account
I hope that you didn't literally put money on it😂 How are the heat doing? Futures looking bright,huh?😂