what makes it worse imo is the blood and gore implies after she turned she ate her recently drowned child and she probably had no idea she would do that
@@elxr9434 can blood still pour out or leak out the body after being strangled? cuz if so that would explain the blood in the bath unless it was a...possible banging the childs head in? T-T
The child would have turned and bitten her under the water. Making even more tragic after sacrificing her child to survive and becoming infected despite what she did.
I remember also in season 2 when T-Dog is looking for supplies in cars, he finds cigarettes. When he turns his head to look at the backseat, he sees a baby car seat with blood all over it. Hinting that a walker got to the baby.
What was also a noticeable presence in the first season and such with frank in control,, there was the presence of God. It was on people's minds, and then there was also a sense of guided fate and good deeds done return good things among kinda attitude.. I bet you amc corporate megatyranny told frank to cut out that god and hope crap. .. then amc does the preacher and desecrates the divine potential symbolism driving the arc of the story subtle. Woke @@Swell-Films
We barely see kids because the walkers would've literally eaten every bit of flesh off the bones also most likely including the brain and also there's still big cities that managed to survive as seen in world beyond and the ones who live
There's also that scene in Alexandria, where Rick is leading a group through a zombie horde. The kid, Sam, sees a zombie child limping along as if some of its tendons and ligaments had been severed. That's what makes Sam freak out.
The dark environmental storytelling is definitely something that I wish didn’t become so sparse later into the franchise, this little sequence in 6x14 was always pretty unsettling to see
We have that awful story Maggie tells to her group while they’re in that subway train car. That’s S11 E2, and then we have those cannibal people, also in S 11, who attack and try to kill/eat Connie and Virgil. That’s some of the darkest storytelling of the entire series, imo.
Not defending the showrunners or anything, but something you need to remember about the environmental storytelling of the later parts of the franchise is that it occurs *years* later. The scenes that would have been commonplace near the beginning of the event would have been altered drastically by both the survivors and the environment itself as nature reclaims the land. Survivors would have looted the man-made structures to try to build up what spaces were important to them at the time. That means clearing away detritus and filth in favor of more comfortable living. The carnage of what happened during the first year or so of the event would have been -- for the most part -- intentionally wiped clean or intentionally ignored depending on how hard it would have been to improve a given space from the horrors it exhibited. And this is doubly true for any settings that were exposed to the elements. The longer the show went on, it's only natural that you would have less instances of dark environmental storytelling. At least in the ways you'd probably think of "dark" environmental storytelling. You wouldn't come across bedrooms filled with families who took their own lives rather than face the horror outside as often. You wouldn't see a bloodied car seat with baby limbs still attached to the seatbelts as often. You wouldn't stumble upon horror that looks like horror as often. What you WOULD come across are buildings that obviously were changed after the event. You would see evidence of people living in spaces that were now abandoned. You would find the makings of a fort in the wilderness that never got around to being completed, or fences that were constructed by people who didn't fully understand construction and had been broken by either the living or the dead. You would discover spaces that showed that people were alive at one point after the event, but there was no trace of them any longer. Personally, that kind of environmental storytelling can be just as dark, because it doesn't outright show horror -- it shows you that something happened here, but doesn't ever give you the answer as to what it was. It leaves you with questions. And those questions are left to the viewer to answer. Sometimes, that's even scarier than the evidence of something brutal, because at least the horrors left something behind. The spaces that leave questions without answers offer interpretation and imagination. And in a universe as dark as the Walking Dead, those questions are probably best left unanswered.
the mother could have either shaken the child too hard or (my theory) put her hand over the child's mouth and accidentally suffocated her. it doesnt have to be intentional, children are so fragile that one moment of anger can be too much. the hush hush scratches could be her going mad afterwards, like morgan did. pre-death seems unlikely to me. she would be busy trying to shush the child, rather than leave it crying while she scratches. post-death all alone guilt-ridden scratching seems more likely to me
The fact that what was left of the kid was fully submerged in the sink implies drowning. Can't see anything else the writers would have been going for with that. Agree on the scratches/writing probably being a post death thing though.
It is like an episode of M.A.S.H where they were trapped in a bus with a bunch of refugees and were hiding from an enemy patrol and a child wouldn't stop crying so the mother smothered her child to death. The main character had a break from reality making him think it was a chicken the woman killed cause he couldn't deal with the trauma of it.
@@DustinDonald-cz9ot Sadly, evolution has never given infants of our species the instinct to be quiet in times of danger. It makes the baby trait kind of ironic in a way.
Alternative theory; she could've gotten bit while fighting off the walkers, and chose to mercy her child before she turned. Descending into madness either; before his death, from the infection and or her inevitable death, or after, with her child finally hushed forever.
The example of the opposite from "show don't tell", where a character tells the darkest imo story is when Maggie talks about her encounter with a family of father and sons who kept mutilated, abused, pregnant women in their house and tried to lure her there because women the kept had died from what they've done to them. This story lives rent free in my memory since I've heard it
@@nicolekoalaa I don't remember the exact episode unfortunately. It's early in season 11 when the group goes through the underground metro and Negan is leading the way because he's the only one who knows the city. It's episode one, two or three.
I didnt think they were pregnant. I remembered the story as...a man with a shopping buggy that he was struggling to move. He offered her n Herschel food in exchange for help. A fight ensued Maggie found a cloth with chloroform on it he planned to knock her out. Bc the guy was a cannibal. They were fattening up the legless armless bodies to eat them. Bc Maggie says something like "when I saw them mutulated with big round bellies I knew there was food" she then found the stash & she n Herschel left n had supplies. Ill have to go back n watvh it again bc now you have me wondering...
@@mtnmama2291 no, she said she knew there was food because there were multiple men in good condition. She said there was something moving inside women's belly's
I think the mom got trapped in the store on breakout day. The walkers that are decomposed like she is are the really old ones that happened at the beginning. She was probably the owner so she had a play pen to keep her baby in while she worked. Also had some toys and books to keep the baby occupied. The photographs looked like they were the type you would haves at your desk at work of family members. I don’t think she lasted a long time. She wouldn’t be able to run because of her cast plus the baby crying. I think they lasted a few days. Maybe a week. Dehydration wouldn’t have been an issue because there was the sink. I think she had been more psychologically motivated to kill her baby than a supply issue. I think she realized her child would die either by Walker or by eventual starvation so she did it as a mercy. After doing so she had a psychotic break similar to Morgan and that’s when she wrote hush hush hush on the walls. I also think she may have been bitten by her own child because everybody turns. She wouldn’t know that because at first everyone thought you had to be bitten. So she kills the baby, it reanimates and she pulls it out of the sink because she regrets killing it in the first place. She then gets bit by the baby. Maybe she then drops it back into the sink and some type of head trauma happens at some point from the time of death until some point before Denice finds the scene. It could’ve been an active Walker for years but would be unable to lift itself from the sink with the physical body of an infant. Then the mother gets the fever and turns into a Walker herself. During the fever may also be when she wrote on the walls.
Agree especially since this is a clinic what food would she have at best a packed lunch and the baby probably worse baby would've died in a week max she can't produce milk because starvation so she chose less suffering vs more suffering
I completely understand why, for multiple reason they don’t but I wish more zombie media depicted turned kids. Could be seen as a cheap pull at the heart strings maybe. But if done right I think a director/story writer could convey a multitude of emotions and grief
Now that you mention it, it sounds more likely she killed it by accident by suffocation when trying to get the kid to quiet down, then likely got bit when it turned and tried killing her walker-fied child with the sink. I still think she had a gun though, she likely tried to "oof" herself but must've aimed too low and blew her jaw off only to die to the injury.
The darkest story for me in the whole Walking Dead universe is the story Maggie told on that subway car about those men who were keeping women chained up and cutting off their body parts and r*ping/impregnating them. Ugh, I could never forget that story no matter how much time has passed.
Yeah. And she said they were deformed men. What made that part creepy was the thought of that going on long before the world fell apart. I like when movies and shows acknowledge that things don't have to exist in a genre bubble. If the zombie apocalypse happened, weird people like from Wrong Turn or Hills Have Eyes could still be out there.
In Season 11 Episode 2, we also had those scenes with Daryl in the abandoned tunnels where he found that dollar with messages and photos of two kids as well as a dead guy with a suitcase handcuffed to his severed arm and walkers that were formerly homeless survivors
It’s possible that the water had ramped up decomp of the child and there was nothing left to turn after a while You decompose faster submerged in water that’s why the water was pure gore, the child had decomposed to his skeletal structure and there was nothing to be reanimated anymore
It doesn't look like she had a gun. So, she might have tried to drown the child. Child is going to obviously struggle. If she snapped the neck it might not have reanimated
This environmental storytelling froze my blood over when I first saw it.. Small notes on your explanation : the words on the wall looks like they were scrawled with a red crayon, and not carved in blood. It's way too clean. The woman's jaw injury makes it look like she might have tried to off herself with a shotgun, but there was no such weapon around her from what I recall. The rest of her body looks in pretty good condition, other than the decaying. Additional question : If the kid drowned, wouldn't he have turned? Unless she later had to put him down for good, explaining the amount of bloodied water...
Great observations. Its hard to say what really happened to the child, they leave it up to you to fill in the gaps, I think it’s possible they did turn, and are possibly still in the sink in a dormant state, like the lurkers that don’t move until stimulated by something.
Yeah, definitely scribbled with a red crayon. There’s not dried liquid on the letters like there would be if it was blood. You can see the scribbled lines. So many different things could’ve happened to this poor mom and bebe. Horrifying to truly think about.
I’m not going to lie, I completely forgot about this part of the episode. I enjoyed your explanation on this topic. I guess I was so focused on the main story I didn’t pay attention to this but I will always reflect more on it now
Early walking dead is absolutely filled with little details and background stories like this, it makes for a really fun re watch if you’re searching for it
When Tales came out I was really hoping to see the lead up to this scene, since the first time I saw it I just can’t shake it. There’s a similar storyline in the MASH tv show and it’s so heartbreaking. Thank you for this video, your stuff is so great ❤
Give her props she managed to kill a bunch of walkers by herself with a broken leg Id love to see more videos talking about the environmentel stories of the world of the walking deas by the way
My interpretation of this was always she got bit while fending off the walker and knowing their fate, chose to kill her child instead of having him eaten. Problem is... If the child was drowned, as is suggested, he still would've come back. If she somehow damaged his brain as to not let that happen, then why is he in the sink? That's the interesting thing about TWD/WDU... Fans are so into the shows, they scrutinize every detail to make sense of things and continuity. For me, I'm still kinda pissed Rick has never, ever mentioned Wayne Dunlap after he said he would. Another detail was "solved" by my grandson. When he turned 11, we started letting him watch, and I would re-watch with him to catch him up to speed. One conversation I mentioned that if they were the only survivors, where were all the walkers? Atlanta is a huge city and should have boatloads of walkers. He said "they're stuck in their houses, they can't open doors"... LOL... out of the mouths of babes 🙂
She could’ve been repeatedly smashing his head into the bottom of the sink - if she was in a manic state that could’ve crushed his skull completely which would’ve given credence to the bloody / gore water
I agree, pretty smart but it would also depend on the season you were watching when he said that, as it has been shown that walkers, at least freshly turned ones, still have some sort of memory, Morgan's wife in season 1 or 2 tried to open the door to the house that Morgan and his son was in, later when Morgan left, she got in and bite her/Morgan's son
Something I really love about your videos is even with some of the environmental storytelling being pretty easy to figure out, you have the perfect voice for explaining the stories. A lot of people I’ve watched on TH-cam don’t have the right voice for telling these horrors but with you I hang on every word
A video regarding Randal and his group and who they were would be interesting, I always thought they were the bandits that invaded terminus and trapped Gareth his brother and mom in the train cars.
Stories about the undead are always more horrific when children are involved, for example in dead rising a survivor named Leah can be found crying, she theme tells the protagonist that her baby was eaten infront of her by the undead and how she’s never heard her little girl cry like that before..
It also looks like she tried to (weapon that shoots spicy rocks) herself but aimed too low and removed her lower jaw, likely succumbing to that injury.
There's also, as Sir Pterry called it, The Dreadful Algebra of Necessity. It's possible the mother was injured and, while running out of food or injured further, knew her toddler would starve to death or get torn apart by walkers, so she...saved him from a worse fate. Then found there was nothing for her to do but wait and starve, suffering the same fate she'd just saved her baby from enduring. That kind of thing could steal the last of any sanity/hope; hearing the cries of your long dead baby, the wailing moans of the dead and the gunshots & and screams from those about to join the ever growing shuffling horde... Just a thought.
This reminds me of arguably the darkest thing you can find in fallout 3. There's a collapsed train tunnel, and the only reason you can get into this pocket is because over time one of the wall of the tunnel collapsed. Inside you'll find a little pocket, a section of the tunnel next to a train, with the paths both behind it and and in front of it sealed off. Inside this pocket you'll find the following things: The skeleton of a man, the skeleton of a woman in a dress, a bottle of whisky, a knife, and a baby stroller. It's implied when the bombs fell that these people became trapped there when the tunnel collapsed on their train, sealing them in to that pocket. Anything other then that is speculation.
Hey Ty I gotta give you massive props to that warning in the beginning. Children being hurt is something I can’t cope with so the warning is very appreciated. Love the vids otherwise!
Great job on the video Ty Swell and this episode scared me and I felt so bad for the kid. It’s just sad what parents did to their kids during the outbreak. It makes me more sad that the mother drown his kid in a sink! People say “TWD isn’t dark” well it is.
@@aaronpasettiI think he’s right there was gore in the sink too and the body must have torn apart or eaten. I think the mom was about to turn and drowned her baby first.
I always took this as TWD’s version of “itchy tasty” from Resident Evil. I think she got bit and was slowly turning. She scratched the walls with some of the last bits of her human mind, the only words she had left, just like the dude writing itchy tasty even after he was pretty much already gone
BRO THANKS TO YOU I ALREADY DONE WATCHING TWD BUT BECAUSE OF YOUR THEORY IN THIS SCENE IT MAKES ME FEEL HORROR LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION EVERY SCENE THAT I DIDN'T NOTICE AT ALL
The fact that you can watch the walking dead again and again and still find nuggets of the terror of that world setting is just mind blowing. it's like watching a Del Toro film. the director's commentary and world building as actually sometimes better than the movie itself.
Reminds me of a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment in 28 days later, a reflection in a car window as they're fleeing shows Cillian Murphy looking at an orderly stack of bodies next to an abandoned bulldozer at a mass grave. No dialogue, just a grizzly image that gives a glimpse of what was going on up to the apocalypse
The amazing story telling in the beginning of this show was one of my favorite things, I always loved trying to put these stories together and always hoped for some kinda stories , comic or tales episode on them. These videos are amazing man
There's no disputing she carved "HUSH" into the wall but it can be dispute as to whether this was before or after she "put her kid to sleep". I once knew someone who was convinced something was loose on their car because they could hear a rattling no one else could. It could be the Mother began carving the word because she was desperately trying to stop the noise in her head. Also, the show tries to paint her as a monster but, in a way, aren't parents supposed to go above and beyond to protect their kids? Arguably, you could say this was the only way she could do it..
One of my favorite games of all time is Left 4 Dead, and one of my favorite things about the game is the very subtle world building that’s is seen in the levels’ safe rooms and generally throughout each level. You’ll constantly see writing scribbled along the walls you pass by. A lot of the writings are funny and entertaining, but there are many that are also serious, and this really reminds me of something I’d see in a Left 4 Dead campaign. When reading what’s written in the safe room walls or in a building in passing through I imagine other characters and what they were going through as the apocalypse first started. Seeing writings from people discussing evacuating the cities and becoming more skeptical about the military’s true intentions and stuff like that really helped the world building. I can’t really remember what it was specifically but I’m pretty sure there was at least one case in one of the games where there was writing on one of the safe room walls discussing something and later on in the campaign you come across the remains of what was most likely the person responsible for the writing. You’ll also see people scribbling messages to their loved ones telling them where to meet them and stuff like that. I’ve always loved those little details that helped make the world seem like it was really falling apart. Even the funny jokes and stories written on the safe room walls added so much immersion. I feel like if there was a chapter in a L4D campaign that had a set price like this it would fit so incredibly well, and its stuff like this that makes me love zombie media so much.
I was thinking about the trunk walker that Maggie came across in season 5 episode 10. I would love to her back story. The scene was just so saddening itself.
This scene was definitely verry horror inspired! I'm kind of glad we didn't see the story explored more, it gives the perfect amount of information without having it be TOO graphic and horrifying. Another great video as always 😊
I’ll always remember the moment when they just leave Atlanta and T-Dog is scavenging inside cars. He found a kid’s car seat that was covered in blood. No body, but you can only imagine what happened for it to get like that
The bestzombie apocolypse game for environmental story telling is Dead State. It's a sand box, so you can decide what area to explore and when. You'll come across all sorts of scenarios and clues that you have to put together to figure out what happened. Inside a house scavenging? Whagt's that blood stain and what does it go to the bathroom? A rough made barricade that's been smashed down? How? The settlement inside is nothing but walkers? What happened? It's got that sort of stuff in it. I highly recommend Dead State.
@@Swell-Filmsif I’m not mistaken, I think that was just the work of The Wolves, though outside of the No Way Out vid I don’t think you’ve talked about that group yet so that could be interesting 💯
1. Another possibility is Mom was bitten clearing the walkers and ended her child’s life because there was no one else to care for her. 2.Mom could have definitely snapped and killed baby. She could have had post partum combined with the traumatization of the outbreak. Being alone with a young unsettled child, trying to survive and in constant danger would be too much for anyone.
Another good one is the very 1st episode, when Rick is searching for gas and finds the horse that takes him to Atlanta - the deceased farmer with the shotgun who killed his wife and himself, and wrote "God Forgive Us" on the wall.
If the world ends I'd totally raid all the drugstores I know first and steal all of the tasty drugs; I'd seek drugs before water, food or supplies; they'd be my number one concern.
I think the "Hush" words are in crayon she also looks like she could be melted a little? not sure if she used any acid or anything, but it could be decay
The one the gov had come across was the most disturbing imho. The dead man witha rifle, two decapitated bodies with signs. and the woman and the two walker heads inside. “Its best not to think about it” - Brian These horrific scenes are eye drawing. But also Incredibly sorrowful. But they lay it out so perfectly you dont even have to think what happened.. you just know by the signs. Either it being litterally. Or Physically in the remains of the fallen. The one with the decapitated soldiers you can feel the anger and hatred the man had for these men. Trusting someone enough to let them in your own home because of a uniform and it be so wrongfully abused. The justification come across so Beautifully. Yet erie.
Theres a comment on here talking about how the hush hush hush scratched onto the walls (which could have been done with childrens crayons) could have happened AFTER the childs death. I pretty much agree with youe theory but i made another i think could be interesting. Its possible that the mother realizing the child would not keep quiet and the walkers would not go away she could either hunker down and die with her child helpless or she could try and fight to make it out for the both of them. This is why we see the dead walkers. Maybe she opens the door to kill a few but there is more than she realizes or thought she could handle and she gets bit so she retreats back inside. Knowing she will turn and knowing her son cannot make it without her she tries to kill him in the least painful way she can think of (drowning is actually relatively peaceful and painless once the initial panic goes away) i would have said she would try to do this discreetly by telling him she was just giving him a bath but considering the shoe i doubt he didnt have his clothes on. It could have been also that while her son was struggling against her she kept telling him hush to try and calm him and herself down. Once he was dead she would have maybe lasted a couple days or maybe not. Either way delirious with fever from the bite and mad with grief and terror about what she had done to her child she writes hush on the wall as she cant stop thinking about it (or still be partially mad from her child always crying and always trying to hush him) fevers can also cause hallucinations so maybe she still heard her dead child crying and eventually she succumbs the bite and becomes a walker. Like i said i still think your theory and the one i actually believe besides a few minor changes is what most likely happened but its nice to think about the woman not going mad and killing her child but killing her child out of mercy and hopelessness
One problem with this theory is that walkers don't have much of an appetite for the dead. Likely she was bit and started going crazy with the fever. Likely, the mom died first from the bite and then consumed the toddler.
Oh fuck yes, this type of video is right up my alley! I love the background stories. Like when Carol sees the shadow of 3 walkers and its implied to be a mother & her two children because the building they were in was a shelter for abused & battered women. Please tell me you'll be making more of these videow
Holy shit now that is a niche topic. I completely forgot about the shelter story, thank you for bringing it to my attention. I am planning on covering more of these stories! I’m thinking of doing the governor solo episode “liar” story next.
@Swell-Films of course! It was such a shocking, sad scene. It doesn't last long, but you get the gist and it's gut-wrenching! They sought shelter from the monster at home only to see horror at their supposed safe haven. Let me hit the bell now so I can see more of these background story analysis as soon as they go live! Great video!
I’d like to know the backstory on how those cannibal people who lived in that house of horrors devolved into what they eventually became. The episode was in S11 and it was titled ‘On the Inside’. I’d also love a backstory into what happened to the Vatos gang from S1. Did the Governor’s people raid them? Did another group? Or maybe one of the sick/elderly people simply died and attacked the others. What a nightmare situation! It would have gotten out of hand so quickly, with so many disabled people unable to really get away from walkers. Very sad. And, finally, I’d like to know what happened with that boat full of walkers that the group finds at Oceanside and practices their skills/training on while putting them down.
I have watched the whole series SO MANY TIMES and have never paid attention to what Denise found in the apothecary. Probably because it was obviously so heinous.
Another aspect that would had drove her mad is the drown baby would had turned into a walker too, luckily for the audience water decompression made the baby a skeleton faster
This reminds me of two things, from the adventure time, there’s a gas station that I think princess bubblegum finds, and this is another show don’t tell, that has been covered on TH-cam, and the second is the show don’t tell ish from a znation episode where a news reporter woman ended up starving to death and turning, after the helicopter that was meant to rescue, ended up crashing into the street leaving her alone trapped inside the news station
Its a small thing but the "Hush" were definitely written in crayon and not blood, since she was collecting stuff for her kid it would also make perfect sense for her to have a box of crayons laying around
You are probably right, even though you dont see anything to write with, the writing it way to clean to be with blood. With blood it would be more messy, especially if you used your fingers...
Do you think she put the child down or accidentally did trying to keep them quiet? Then the child would reanimate a walker and that's when she completely lost the plot. Then realizing that everyone comes back regardless is his they died. Then she Ended herself. 😭
Last i watched twd when i was a child, like i didn't really connect and care the deeper meanings of stuff like that, so interesting, might give the earlier seasons another shot sometime soon
@@Swell-Films it's awesome hearing you cover it in such detail! I always pick up on the subtle stuff but I've never thought about it all laid out like this, so I really enjoyed the video. You do great work for the TWD community :)
@@Swell-FilmsOne that’d be neat to cover is the “liar”, “murderer”, “rapist” bodies that The Governor and co find in 4x07, especially with how the “liar” being decapitated influences Hershel’s death
I think she got bit while clearing out the walkers and for the child not to be eaten up by its own mother she drowned it and Theo turned. And she is sitting down because of ber broken leg wich has gone worse trying to stay alive
I kind of think she was infected from the fight at the front of the building then while washing her child in the sink she could have gone into a frenzy. Although judging by the age of the child I don't know if she would still do this.
Environmental storytelling is some of the best in my opinion. Movies, series and games benefit some much from a little thoughtful set dressing that makes the world feel that little bit bigger while not necessarily impacting the actual story at all.
those arent scratches, thats crayon. And yeha I can get why that toddler would have been freaking out. that room was dark... and those playpens are uncomfortable unless youve got a mattress in there. Hungry, scared, the dead beating on the outside all the time. very sad,
Something that sticks out to me is the music. Since music is often used to enhance the experience of a scene we not only hear such a haunting composition to reflect the horror Denise uncovered, but it's also a repeating score that grows louder and more chaotic only stopping when she leaves the room. th-cam.com/video/hne1FPKcIHU/w-d-xo.html
I think the mother lost it and was so hungry she killed the child to eat and later was more aware of what she did she then possibly took her own life.with the walkers outside and no signs of food or ways to leave to get it she would have had to eat same with the screaming toddler.
Other things to consider: The woman may have had pre-existing mental illness. Even something like post-partum psychosis. After the breakout, she wouldn't have been able to get anti psychotic or other mood stabilizing medications. It looked like there was at one point, at least one other child, possibly 2, since the children from the picture looked to big for the crib/shoe. There may also have been other adult survivors there at one point. Maybe others made a break for it, with the promise of coming back for the injured woman and baby. They might habe made it, or not. If they re-animated, their remains would be gone even if they died. Maybe without their return the woman slowly deteriorated mentally until dispare consumed her.
Yeah, but she was LITERALLY in a pharmacy… she would have probably had plenty of access to antipsychotics/antidepressants/anything else she could’ve needed.
what makes it worse imo is the blood and gore implies after she turned she ate her recently drowned child and she probably had no idea she would do that
Yikes that might be true fr
The baby probably just decayed in the water
@@elxr9434 can blood still pour out or leak out the body after being strangled? cuz if so that would explain the blood in the bath unless it was a...possible banging the childs head in? T-T
@@LadyLunarella no you'd need crazy force to draw blood from strangulation
The child would have turned and bitten her under the water. Making even more tragic after sacrificing her child to survive and becoming infected despite what she did.
I remember also in season 2 when T-Dog is looking for supplies in cars, he finds cigarettes. When he turns his head to look at the backseat, he sees a baby car seat with blood all over it. Hinting that a walker got to the baby.
Little details like that are what seriously bring the horror into this franchise. I wish they did more scenes like that later on
What was also a noticeable presence in the first season and such with frank in control,, there was the presence of God. It was on people's minds, and then there was also a sense of guided fate and good deeds done return good things among kinda attitude..
I bet you amc corporate megatyranny told frank to cut out that god and hope crap. .. then amc does the preacher and desecrates the divine potential symbolism driving the arc of the story subtle. Woke
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@@Swell-Filmsit's a nice blend of showing the brutality without just being pain/torture corn
We barely see kids because the walkers would've literally eaten every bit of flesh off the bones also most likely including the brain and also there's still big cities that managed to survive as seen in world beyond and the ones who live
There's also that scene in Alexandria, where Rick is leading a group through a zombie horde. The kid, Sam, sees a zombie child limping along as if some of its tendons and ligaments had been severed. That's what makes Sam freak out.
The dark environmental storytelling is definitely something that I wish didn’t become so sparse later into the franchise, this little sequence in 6x14 was always pretty unsettling to see
I do because I'd rather it be sparse and maintain the shock value than happen too often and be numb to it
We have that awful story Maggie tells to her group while they’re in that subway train car. That’s S11 E2, and then we have those cannibal people, also in S 11, who attack and try to kill/eat Connie and Virgil. That’s some of the darkest storytelling of the entire series, imo.
Not defending the showrunners or anything, but something you need to remember about the environmental storytelling of the later parts of the franchise is that it occurs *years* later. The scenes that would have been commonplace near the beginning of the event would have been altered drastically by both the survivors and the environment itself as nature reclaims the land. Survivors would have looted the man-made structures to try to build up what spaces were important to them at the time. That means clearing away detritus and filth in favor of more comfortable living. The carnage of what happened during the first year or so of the event would have been -- for the most part -- intentionally wiped clean or intentionally ignored depending on how hard it would have been to improve a given space from the horrors it exhibited. And this is doubly true for any settings that were exposed to the elements.
The longer the show went on, it's only natural that you would have less instances of dark environmental storytelling. At least in the ways you'd probably think of "dark" environmental storytelling. You wouldn't come across bedrooms filled with families who took their own lives rather than face the horror outside as often. You wouldn't see a bloodied car seat with baby limbs still attached to the seatbelts as often. You wouldn't stumble upon horror that looks like horror as often.
What you WOULD come across are buildings that obviously were changed after the event. You would see evidence of people living in spaces that were now abandoned. You would find the makings of a fort in the wilderness that never got around to being completed, or fences that were constructed by people who didn't fully understand construction and had been broken by either the living or the dead. You would discover spaces that showed that people were alive at one point after the event, but there was no trace of them any longer.
Personally, that kind of environmental storytelling can be just as dark, because it doesn't outright show horror -- it shows you that something happened here, but doesn't ever give you the answer as to what it was. It leaves you with questions. And those questions are left to the viewer to answer. Sometimes, that's even scarier than the evidence of something brutal, because at least the horrors left something behind. The spaces that leave questions without answers offer interpretation and imagination. And in a universe as dark as the Walking Dead, those questions are probably best left unanswered.
the mother could have either shaken the child too hard or (my theory) put her hand over the child's mouth and accidentally suffocated her. it doesnt have to be intentional, children are so fragile that one moment of anger can be too much. the hush hush scratches could be her going mad afterwards, like morgan did. pre-death seems unlikely to me. she would be busy trying to shush the child, rather than leave it crying while she scratches. post-death all alone guilt-ridden scratching seems more likely to me
The fact that what was left of the kid was fully submerged in the sink implies drowning. Can't see anything else the writers would have been going for with that.
Agree on the scratches/writing probably being a post death thing though.
@@SpadeDraco Unless she did kill it, it turned and she smashed it in the sink, then filled it with water to cover it up.
@@selalewowno she clearly drowned it when turning, and when turned ate the body
It is like an episode of M.A.S.H where they were trapped in a bus with a bunch of refugees and were hiding from an enemy patrol and a child wouldn't stop crying so the mother smothered her child to death. The main character had a break from reality making him think it was a chicken the woman killed cause he couldn't deal with the trauma of it.
@@DustinDonald-cz9ot Sadly, evolution has never given infants of our species the instinct to be quiet in times of danger. It makes the baby trait kind of ironic in a way.
Alternative theory; she could've gotten bit while fighting off the walkers, and chose to mercy her child before she turned. Descending into madness either; before his death, from the infection and or her inevitable death, or after, with her child finally hushed forever.
Absolutely what most likely happened
wonder why the toddler didn't turn though? There are often bodies found posed and if everyone was infected then they should have turned.
@@selalewowmaybe the baby eventually got out , or she got to the brain and it wouldn’t come back
This is most likely what went down.
Probably from shaken baby syndrome @@selalewow
The example of the opposite from "show don't tell", where a character tells the darkest imo story is when Maggie talks about her encounter with a family of father and sons who kept mutilated, abused, pregnant women in their house and tried to lure her there because women the kept had died from what they've done to them.
This story lives rent free in my memory since I've heard it
i'm intrigued. what episode is this?
@@nicolekoalaa I don't remember the exact episode unfortunately. It's early in season 11 when the group goes through the underground metro and Negan is leading the way because he's the only one who knows the city. It's episode one, two or three.
@@nicolekoalaa season 11 episode 2 acheron part 2
I didnt think they were pregnant. I remembered the story as...a man with a shopping buggy that he was struggling to move. He offered her n Herschel food in exchange for help. A fight ensued Maggie found a cloth with chloroform on it he planned to knock her out. Bc the guy was a cannibal. They were fattening up the legless armless bodies to eat them. Bc Maggie says something like "when I saw them mutulated with big round bellies I knew there was food" she then found the stash & she n Herschel left n had supplies. Ill have to go back n watvh it again bc now you have me wondering...
@@mtnmama2291 no, she said she knew there was food because there were multiple men in good condition. She said there was something moving inside women's belly's
I think the mom got trapped in the store on breakout day. The walkers that are decomposed like she is are the really old ones that happened at the beginning. She was probably the owner so she had a play pen to keep her baby in while she worked. Also had some toys and books to keep the baby occupied. The photographs looked like they were the type you would haves at your desk at work of family members. I don’t think she lasted a long time. She wouldn’t be able to run because of her cast plus the baby crying. I think they lasted a few days. Maybe a week. Dehydration wouldn’t have been an issue because there was the sink. I think she had been more psychologically motivated to kill her baby than a supply issue. I think she realized her child would die either by Walker or by eventual starvation so she did it as a mercy. After doing so she had a psychotic break similar to Morgan and that’s when she wrote hush hush hush on the walls. I also think she may have been bitten by her own child because everybody turns. She wouldn’t know that because at first everyone thought you had to be bitten. So she kills the baby, it reanimates and she pulls it out of the sink because she regrets killing it in the first place. She then gets bit by the baby. Maybe she then drops it back into the sink and some type of head trauma happens at some point from the time of death until some point before Denice finds the scene. It could’ve been an active Walker for years but would be unable to lift itself from the sink with the physical body of an infant. Then the mother gets the fever and turns into a Walker herself. During the fever may also be when she wrote on the walls.
Agree especially since this is a clinic what food would she have at best a packed lunch and the baby probably worse baby would've died in a week max she can't produce milk because starvation so she chose less suffering vs more suffering
Fuck. U SAID IT!!!
I ain't reading allat
I completely understand why, for multiple reason they don’t but I wish more zombie media depicted turned kids. Could be seen as a cheap pull at the heart strings maybe. But if done right I think a director/story writer could convey a multitude of emotions and grief
Now that you mention it, it sounds more likely she killed it by accident by suffocation when trying to get the kid to quiet down, then likely got bit when it turned and tried killing her walker-fied child with the sink.
I still think she had a gun though, she likely tried to "oof" herself but must've aimed too low and blew her jaw off only to die to the injury.
The darkest story for me in the whole Walking Dead universe is the story Maggie told on that subway car about those men who were keeping women chained up and cutting off their body parts and r*ping/impregnating them. Ugh, I could never forget that story no matter how much time has passed.
Jesus, was this Season 11 or 4?
@@alesundgresiek8389 11 or 10
@@alesundgresiek8389 it was S11 E2
This entire story Maggie tells to her group in the subway train car really reminds me of the very end of that movie Bone Tomahawk… OMFG!!😱😳
Yeah. And she said they were deformed men. What made that part creepy was the thought of that going on long before the world fell apart. I like when movies and shows acknowledge that things don't have to exist in a genre bubble. If the zombie apocalypse happened, weird people like from Wrong Turn or Hills Have Eyes could still be out there.
In Season 11 Episode 2, we also had those scenes with Daryl in the abandoned tunnels where he found that dollar with messages and photos of two kids as well as a dead guy with a suitcase handcuffed to his severed arm and walkers that were formerly homeless survivors
Also the picture of the 2 kids has the girl holding a toy bunny. Daryl later finds that same bunny with the bagged corpses
Archeron i hope he does this one too
It’s possible that the water had ramped up decomp of the child and there was nothing left to turn after a while
You decompose faster submerged in water that’s why the water was pure gore, the child had decomposed to his skeletal structure and there was nothing to be reanimated anymore
The waterlogged walkers suggest otherwise.
It doesn't look like she had a gun. So, she might have tried to drown the child. Child is going to obviously struggle. If she snapped the neck it might not have reanimated
She could have also mixed whatever was under the sink to speed up decomp.
This environmental storytelling froze my blood over when I first saw it..
Small notes on your explanation : the words on the wall looks like they were scrawled with a red crayon, and not carved in blood. It's way too clean. The woman's jaw injury makes it look like she might have tried to off herself with a shotgun, but there was no such weapon around her from what I recall. The rest of her body looks in pretty good condition, other than the decaying.
Additional question : If the kid drowned, wouldn't he have turned? Unless she later had to put him down for good, explaining the amount of bloodied water...
Great observations.
Its hard to say what really happened to the child, they leave it up to you to fill in the gaps, I think it’s possible they did turn, and are possibly still in the sink in a dormant state, like the lurkers that don’t move until stimulated by something.
Yeah, definitely scribbled with a red crayon. There’s not dried liquid on the letters like there would be if it was blood. You can see the scribbled lines. So many different things could’ve happened to this poor mom and bebe. Horrifying to truly think about.
I'm not sure we've ever seen baby walkers. Children ones, but never babies, as far as I'm aware
@@gamer47e17I’ve watched through several times and I don’t remember any walker babies.
I’m not going to lie, I completely forgot about this part of the episode. I enjoyed your explanation on this topic. I guess I was so focused on the main story I didn’t pay attention to this but I will always reflect more on it now
Early walking dead is absolutely filled with little details and background stories like this, it makes for a really fun re watch if you’re searching for it
When Tales came out I was really hoping to see the lead up to this scene, since the first time I saw it I just can’t shake it. There’s a similar storyline in the MASH tv show and it’s so heartbreaking. Thank you for this video, your stuff is so great ❤
Hey thanks so much! Tales imo was the greatest missed opportunity in this franchise, so many ideas unexplored.
Mash really came out of no where with the feelings sometimes
That scene from MASH always brings me to tears, especially because he kept insisting it was a chicken and had to be snapped back to reality. :(
@@MercedesDiane Omg, I remember seeing that MASH episode as a kid and it still messes my head up. incredibly sad!!
I mentioned that episode up above didn't think anyone else would of made the connection glad to see I was wrong, such a tragic episode.
Give her props she managed to kill a bunch of walkers by herself with a broken leg
Id love to see more videos talking about the environmentel stories of the world of the walking deas by the way
My interpretation of this was always she got bit while fending off the walker and knowing their fate, chose to kill her child instead of having him eaten. Problem is... If the child was drowned, as is suggested, he still would've come back. If she somehow damaged his brain as to not let that happen, then why is he in the sink? That's the interesting thing about TWD/WDU... Fans are so into the shows, they scrutinize every detail to make sense of things and continuity. For me, I'm still kinda pissed Rick has never, ever mentioned Wayne Dunlap after he said he would. Another detail was "solved" by my grandson. When he turned 11, we started letting him watch, and I would re-watch with him to catch him up to speed. One conversation I mentioned that if they were the only survivors, where were all the walkers? Atlanta is a huge city and should have boatloads of walkers. He said "they're stuck in their houses, they can't open doors"... LOL... out of the mouths of babes 🙂
Smart kid
She could’ve been repeatedly smashing his head into the bottom of the sink - if she was in a manic state that could’ve crushed his skull completely which would’ve given credence to the bloody / gore water
I agree, pretty smart but it would also depend on the season you were watching when he said that, as it has been shown that walkers, at least freshly turned ones, still have some sort of memory, Morgan's wife in season 1 or 2 tried to open the door to the house that Morgan and his son was in, later when Morgan left, she got in and bite her/Morgan's son
When I saw the sink, I gasp in horror of what she had done, it's so horrifyingly sad
Something I really love about your videos is even with some of the environmental storytelling being pretty easy to figure out, you have the perfect voice for explaining the stories. A lot of people I’ve watched on TH-cam don’t have the right voice for telling these horrors but with you I hang on every word
A video regarding Randal and his group and who they were would be interesting, I always thought they were the bandits that invaded terminus and trapped Gareth his brother and mom in the train cars.
i hope they expand on that and make that actually true on this new tales show they have discussed
Interesting connection!!! Pr they could have evolved into the claimers 👀
Oooooooo that’s a neat idea
Stories about the undead are always more horrific when children are involved, for example in dead rising a survivor named Leah can be found crying, she theme tells the protagonist that her baby was eaten infront of her by the undead and how she’s never heard her little girl cry like that before..
The toddler shoe made me think of the old 'six word novel,' "For sale: baby shoes, never worn." Idky but it made me think of that.
Yes… very sad.
‘… and lack of sleep …’ Very good point
Do more of these scene breakdowns they get you thinking
It also looks like she tried to (weapon that shoots spicy rocks) herself but aimed too low and removed her lower jaw, likely succumbing to that injury.
Why wouldn’t u just say shoot?? It’s literally a walking dead video grow up 😂
There's also, as Sir Pterry called it, The Dreadful Algebra of Necessity.
It's possible the mother was injured and, while running out of food or injured further, knew her toddler would starve to death or get torn apart by walkers, so she...saved him from a worse fate. Then found there was nothing for her to do but wait and starve, suffering the same fate she'd just saved her baby from enduring.
That kind of thing could steal the last of any sanity/hope; hearing the cries of your long dead baby, the wailing moans of the dead and the gunshots & and screams from those about to join the ever growing shuffling horde...
Just a thought.
Man you should make more videos like this looking into the background stories from all across the series!
This reminds me of arguably the darkest thing you can find in fallout 3.
There's a collapsed train tunnel, and the only reason you can get into this pocket is because over time one of the wall of the tunnel collapsed.
Inside you'll find a little pocket, a section of the tunnel next to a train, with the paths both behind it and and in front of it sealed off.
Inside this pocket you'll find the following things:
The skeleton of a man, the skeleton of a woman in a dress, a bottle of whisky, a knife, and a baby stroller.
It's implied when the bombs fell that these people became trapped there when the tunnel collapsed on their train, sealing them in to that pocket.
Anything other then that is speculation.
Hey Ty I gotta give you massive props to that warning in the beginning. Children being hurt is something I can’t cope with so the warning is very appreciated. Love the vids otherwise!
Its a tv show, AKA not real
It's obviously real fucking life.
It’s a show about the end of the world, PLENTY of kids died throughout the shows run
@@iziahdelorme8698 Sophia
Randal
Jimmy
Lizzie
Mika
Sam
Ron
Carl
Henry
All dead, kids have it rough in the apocalypse. 😓
@@countchompula1896 don’t get me started on telltale either
Great job on the video Ty Swell and this episode scared me and I felt so bad for the kid. It’s just sad what parents did to their kids during the outbreak. It makes me more sad that the mother drown his kid in a sink! People say “TWD isn’t dark” well it is.
Considering the kid didn't turn it's pretty likely she did something even _darker_ than just drowning him.
@@DominionSorcerer I mean the kid was crying
@@aaronpasettiI think he’s right there was gore in the sink too and the body must have torn apart or eaten. I think the mom was about to turn and drowned her baby first.
@@Collectibles49 I mean we could get a back story or something. It’s just creepy
As a father of a toddler, rewatching this scene lit on a different level.
I always took this as TWD’s version of “itchy tasty” from Resident Evil. I think she got bit and was slowly turning. She scratched the walls with some of the last bits of her human mind, the only words she had left, just like the dude writing itchy tasty even after he was pretty much already gone
I wonder.
If the mother just drowned the child then it would have turned in that sink. It could just be dormant in there. Still.
My thoughts exactly…. Too weak to crawl out.
I honestly feel that the mother probably damaged the babies brain enough to where it wouldn’t reanimate after death
Such a wonderful video, I’ve gained so much more appreciation for TWD because of you.
Hey thanks so much for watching! :)
BRO THANKS TO YOU I ALREADY DONE WATCHING TWD BUT BECAUSE OF YOUR THEORY IN THIS SCENE IT MAKES ME FEEL HORROR LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION EVERY SCENE THAT I DIDN'T NOTICE AT ALL
The fact that you can watch the walking dead again and again and still find nuggets of the terror of that world setting is just mind blowing. it's like watching a Del Toro film. the director's commentary and world building as actually sometimes better than the movie itself.
Reminds me of a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment in 28 days later, a reflection in a car window as they're fleeing shows Cillian Murphy looking at an orderly stack of bodies next to an abandoned bulldozer at a mass grave. No dialogue, just a grizzly image that gives a glimpse of what was going on up to the apocalypse
Pls make more of these analysis! For example the zombie soldiers in that sort of circus in season 7
I absolutely love dark stories like this one.
Keep it coming !!!
Was waiting for this one, dude your channel brings me much to joy yo be able to watch and discuss TWD and all that encapsulates it, than you TY 🙏🏼
Hey thanks so much for the kind words :)
Well earned like my brother , keep the bangers coming , it’s great to see you getting the attention your content deserves 🇮🇪✌️
Hey thanks so much!
The amazing story telling in the beginning of this show was one of my favorite things, I always loved trying to put these stories together and always hoped for some kinda stories , comic or tales episode on them. These videos are amazing man
There's no disputing she carved "HUSH" into the wall but it can be dispute as to whether this was before or after she "put her kid to sleep".
I once knew someone who was convinced something was loose on their car because they could hear a rattling no one else could. It could be the Mother began carving the word because she was desperately trying to stop the noise in her head.
Also, the show tries to paint her as a monster but, in a way, aren't parents supposed to go above and beyond to protect their kids? Arguably, you could say this was the only way she could do it..
The walking dead took "Show don't tell" to a whole other level.
Oh hell yeah, a new Ty Swell vid. I don't remember this bit, either. This will be a fun way to relax and unwind -
One of my favorite games of all time is Left 4 Dead, and one of my favorite things about the game is the very subtle world building that’s is seen in the levels’ safe rooms and generally throughout each level. You’ll constantly see writing scribbled along the walls you pass by. A lot of the writings are funny and entertaining, but there are many that are also serious, and this really reminds me of something I’d see in a Left 4 Dead campaign. When reading what’s written in the safe room walls or in a building in passing through I imagine other characters and what they were going through as the apocalypse first started. Seeing writings from people discussing evacuating the cities and becoming more skeptical about the military’s true intentions and stuff like that really helped the world building. I can’t really remember what it was specifically but I’m pretty sure there was at least one case in one of the games where there was writing on one of the safe room walls discussing something and later on in the campaign you come across the remains of what was most likely the person responsible for the writing. You’ll also see people scribbling messages to their loved ones telling them where to meet them and stuff like that. I’ve always loved those little details that helped make the world seem like it was really falling apart. Even the funny jokes and stories written on the safe room walls added so much immersion. I feel like if there was a chapter in a L4D campaign that had a set price like this it would fit so incredibly well, and its stuff like this that makes me love zombie media so much.
Man, this just makes me think of M.A.S.H and the 'chicken' episode. chills.
Enviromental storytelling is fuckin great, i love it when playing dead space and actively seek those stories
LOVE this video, I have rewatched the series countless times and i NEVER noticed the photos of the child wow....
Wow. I always wondered what they were trying to tell us but I never put much thought into it. Thanks man.
I was thinking about the trunk walker that Maggie came across in season 5 episode 10. I would love to her back story. The scene was just so saddening itself.
This scene was definitely verry horror inspired! I'm kind of glad we didn't see the story explored more, it gives the perfect amount of information without having it be TOO graphic and horrifying.
Another great video as always 😊
I’ll always remember the moment when they just leave Atlanta and T-Dog is scavenging inside cars. He found a kid’s car seat that was covered in blood. No body, but you can only imagine what happened for it to get like that
Traveling in the zombie apocalypse is risky enough, Traveling with a baby siren is just downright suicidal.
The bestzombie apocolypse game for environmental story telling is Dead State. It's a sand box, so you can decide what area to explore and when. You'll come across all sorts of scenarios and clues that you have to put together to figure out what happened. Inside a house scavenging? Whagt's that blood stain and what does it go to the bathroom? A rough made barricade that's been smashed down? How? The settlement inside is nothing but walkers? What happened? It's got that sort of stuff in it. I highly recommend Dead State.
Look at 3:10, I think she ate her non-injured leg. There's no meat left on the bone unlike her other leg in a state of identical decay...
so she chose to eat her healthy leg
Love the editing. Fitting but never intrusive.
You should do the one michoone stumbles upon when they get to Noah's community. The kids dead in their beds and the mom in the chair.
Great suggestion
@@Swell-Filmsif I’m not mistaken, I think that was just the work of The Wolves, though outside of the No Way Out vid I don’t think you’ve talked about that group yet so that could be interesting 💯
1. Another possibility is Mom was bitten clearing the walkers and ended her child’s life because there was no one else to care for her.
2.Mom could have definitely snapped and killed baby. She could have had post partum combined with the traumatization of the outbreak. Being alone with a young unsettled child, trying to survive and in constant danger would be too much for anyone.
Another good one is the very 1st episode, when Rick is searching for gas and finds the horse that takes him to Atlanta - the deceased farmer with the shotgun who killed his wife and himself, and wrote "God Forgive Us" on the wall.
If the world ends I'd totally raid all the drugstores I know first and steal all of the tasty drugs; I'd seek drugs before water, food or supplies; they'd be my number one concern.
i think she got bite in her attempt to clear the place th died from her injury then woke up and ate her kid.
I think the "Hush" words are in crayon
she also looks like she could be melted a little? not sure if she used any acid or anything, but it could be decay
It's pretty clearly crayon or pencil crayon. There are points where the letters are gone over multiple times and there is no smearing.
The one the gov had come across was the most disturbing imho. The dead man witha rifle, two decapitated bodies with signs. and the woman and the two walker heads inside. “Its best not to think about it” - Brian
These horrific scenes are eye drawing. But also Incredibly sorrowful. But they lay it out so perfectly you dont even have to think what happened.. you just know by the signs. Either it being litterally. Or Physically in the remains of the fallen. The one with the decapitated soldiers you can feel the anger and hatred the man had for these men. Trusting someone enough to let them in your own home because of a uniform and it be so wrongfully abused. The justification come across so Beautifully. Yet erie.
I’m planning on covering this story next. Such an eerie scene.
old walking dead was so good
Either way, the child was eaten. Maybe she didn't know that you turn without being bitten
Theres a comment on here talking about how the hush hush hush scratched onto the walls (which could have been done with childrens crayons) could have happened AFTER the childs death. I pretty much agree with youe theory but i made another i think could be interesting. Its possible that the mother realizing the child would not keep quiet and the walkers would not go away she could either hunker down and die with her child helpless or she could try and fight to make it out for the both of them. This is why we see the dead walkers. Maybe she opens the door to kill a few but there is more than she realizes or thought she could handle and she gets bit so she retreats back inside. Knowing she will turn and knowing her son cannot make it without her she tries to kill him in the least painful way she can think of (drowning is actually relatively peaceful and painless once the initial panic goes away) i would have said she would try to do this discreetly by telling him she was just giving him a bath but considering the shoe i doubt he didnt have his clothes on. It could have been also that while her son was struggling against her she kept telling him hush to try and calm him and herself down. Once he was dead she would have maybe lasted a couple days or maybe not. Either way delirious with fever from the bite and mad with grief and terror about what she had done to her child she writes hush on the wall as she cant stop thinking about it (or still be partially mad from her child always crying and always trying to hush him) fevers can also cause hallucinations so maybe she still heard her dead child crying and eventually she succumbs the bite and becomes a walker. Like i said i still think your theory and the one i actually believe besides a few minor changes is what most likely happened but its nice to think about the woman not going mad and killing her child but killing her child out of mercy and hopelessness
One problem with this theory is that walkers don't have much of an appetite for the dead. Likely she was bit and started going crazy with the fever. Likely, the mom died first from the bite and then consumed the toddler.
Oh fuck yes, this type of video is right up my alley! I love the background stories. Like when Carol sees the shadow of 3 walkers and its implied to be a mother & her two children because the building they were in was a shelter for abused & battered women. Please tell me you'll be making more of these videow
Holy shit now that is a niche topic. I completely forgot about the shelter story, thank you for bringing it to my attention.
I am planning on covering more of these stories! I’m thinking of doing the governor solo episode “liar” story next.
@Swell-Films of course! It was such a shocking, sad scene. It doesn't last long, but you get the gist and it's gut-wrenching! They sought shelter from the monster at home only to see horror at their supposed safe haven. Let me hit the bell now so I can see more of these background story analysis as soon as they go live! Great video!
I’d like to know the backstory on how those cannibal people who lived in that house of horrors devolved into what they eventually became. The episode was in S11 and it was titled ‘On the Inside’.
I’d also love a backstory into what happened to the Vatos gang from S1. Did the Governor’s people raid them? Did another group? Or maybe one of the sick/elderly people simply died and attacked the others. What a nightmare situation! It would have gotten out of hand so quickly, with so many disabled people unable to really get away from walkers. Very sad.
And, finally, I’d like to know what happened with that boat full of walkers that the group finds at Oceanside and practices their skills/training on while putting them down.
I have watched the whole series SO MANY TIMES and have never paid attention to what Denise found in the apothecary. Probably because it was obviously so heinous.
Another aspect that would had drove her mad is the drown baby would had turned into a walker too, luckily for the audience water decompression made the baby a skeleton faster
This reminds me of two things, from the adventure time, there’s a gas station that I think princess bubblegum finds, and this is another show don’t tell, that has been covered on TH-cam, and the second is the show don’t tell ish from a znation episode where a news reporter woman ended up starving to death and turning, after the helicopter that was meant to rescue, ended up crashing into the street leaving her alone trapped inside the news station
Frantic mother's have been known to smother their children with their hands, trying to keep them quiet.
those are crayons on the wall
especially if that walker had a child when still alive
The kid died first, turned and madness ensues.
3:39 dude thats just red crayon
I am blind
Its a small thing but the "Hush" were definitely written in crayon and not blood, since she was collecting stuff for her kid it would also make perfect sense for her to have a box of crayons laying around
You are probably right, even though you dont see anything to write with, the writing it way to clean to be with blood. With blood it would be more messy, especially if you used your fingers...
@hopeydopey-fs5fg yeah also we've seen plenty of exemple of stuff written in blood in this show and none of them looked like that
I agree that this was likely the most disturbing scene in the initial series. It made me sick to my stomach and so sad at the same time.
Do you think she put the child down or accidentally did trying to keep them quiet? Then the child would reanimate a walker and that's when she completely lost the plot. Then realizing that everyone comes back regardless is his they died. Then she Ended herself. 😭
TY swell can you cover the beheaded soldiers next please
Perhaps after the murder, the mother took poison and killed herself. She was in a drug store.
This would be a great TWD Origins story.
Last i watched twd when i was a child, like i didn't really connect and care the deeper meanings of stuff like that, so interesting, might give the earlier seasons another shot sometime soon
good video idea. I love a lot of post apocolypse settings purely because of stuff like this. The stories that arent mentioned
If you can find more moments like this in the series, I would love to see an analysis of some more of these scenes.
I absolutely love covering the more niche aspects of this franchise so I’ll absolutely do my best!
@@Swell-Films it's awesome hearing you cover it in such detail! I always pick up on the subtle stuff but I've never thought about it all laid out like this, so I really enjoyed the video. You do great work for the TWD community :)
@@Swell-FilmsOne that’d be neat to cover is the “liar”, “murderer”, “rapist” bodies that The Governor and co find in 4x07, especially with how the “liar” being decapitated influences Hershel’s death
I think she killed her toddler because he wouldn't hush (accident or not) and his crying was attracting more walkers.
That’s the fate of every walker that’s not put down. Slowly wither away into a skeleton and fall apart.
I think she got bit while clearing out the walkers and for the child not to be eaten up by its own mother she drowned it and Theo turned. And she is sitting down because of ber broken leg wich has gone worse trying to stay alive
I kind of think she was infected from the fight at the front of the building then while washing her child in the sink she could have gone into a frenzy. Although judging by the age of the child I don't know if she would still do this.
Environmental storytelling is some of the best in my opinion. Movies, series and games benefit some much from a little thoughtful set dressing that makes the world feel that little bit bigger while not necessarily impacting the actual story at all.
So her baby likely turned right? Underwater? I’d assume so but it doesn’t seem so. This whole thing is so horrific.
there's also the one at the farm house that Rick got the horse from
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I always wondered about the naked lady tied to the tree with the W carved on her. Did the TV wolves seem to be that bad of people?
Me too… and yea they were really that bad. They were also responsible for the complete destruction of Noah’s neighborhood.
I always thought that the mother might’ve ate her child instead
those arent scratches, thats crayon. And yeha I can get why that toddler would have been freaking out. that room was dark... and those playpens are uncomfortable unless youve got a mattress in there. Hungry, scared, the dead beating on the outside all the time. very sad,
What about that mansion Connie and Vergil went to in season 10 with those animalistic people
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Something that sticks out to me is the music.
Since music is often used to enhance the experience of a scene we not only hear such a haunting composition to reflect the horror Denise uncovered, but it's also a repeating score that grows louder and more chaotic only stopping when she leaves the room.
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I think the mother lost it and was so hungry she killed the child to eat and later was more aware of what she did she then possibly took her own life.with the walkers outside and no signs of food or ways to leave to get it she would have had to eat same with the screaming toddler.
Other things to consider: The woman may have had pre-existing mental illness. Even something like post-partum psychosis. After the breakout, she wouldn't have been able to get anti psychotic or other mood stabilizing medications. It looked like there was at one point, at least one other child, possibly 2, since the children from the picture looked to big for the crib/shoe.
There may also have been other adult survivors there at one point. Maybe others made a break for it, with the promise of coming back for the injured woman and baby. They might habe made it, or not. If they re-animated, their remains would be gone even if they died.
Maybe without their return the woman slowly deteriorated mentally until dispare consumed her.
Yeah, but she was LITERALLY in a pharmacy… she would have probably had plenty of access to antipsychotics/antidepressants/anything else she could’ve needed.
Well that makes sense... I googled this scene because initially i thought there was some kind of child abuse going on.