God of War: Ragnarok Review Discussion and Spoilercast | Sacred Symbols+, Episode 250
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- The biggest PlayStation exclusive of 2022 is undoubtedly God of War: Ragnarok. Whether measured by critical or commercial success, Ragnarok has already blown away an audience of millions with its amazing gameplay, beautiful aesthetic, compelling performances, and surprisingly deep story. To discuss the many intricacies of Santa Monica Studio's seventh completed project, the Sacred trio gathered with regular contributor Rick Hoeg for a lengthy chat that -- as you may have guessed -- spoils the adventure in its entirety. We truly get into the weeds here, so it goes without saying: If you haven't beaten God of War: Ragnarok, or if you want to go in blind, you absolutely shouldn't listen to or watch this. For everyone else, feel free to join our pantheon as we try to stave off the end of all things.
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Oh and I’m sorry i couldn’t make this in time. But then again hoeg brought a perspective even i didn’t consider re: the whole fate thing. Great conversation fellas, dead on observations for a lot of things.
Colin - "Too many cutscenes. Just let me play."
Also Colin - "Why are you making me play this part? Just make it a cutscene" lol
Love Colin to death but his opinions are often scattered and inconsistent like this 🤷♂️
The cutscenes where you have to push the stick slightly with no interaction besides that are what he’s talking about. You can boys always argue in bad faith
Can I just say, I really appreciate this is a spoilercast without the creators of the game involved.
Noticed a trend recently of game directors showing up on so many media outlets and it prohibits a real discussion about the game as you're often tip towing around insulting them. Kind of controls the narrative of a games reception.
Thank you!
Also feel they talking about them making the game (which is fine) and not the characters and story
Chris’s understanding of the ending is on point. When asked what he saw in the mural, Kratos literally says “a path”, not an ending or a prophecy.
Yeah exactly and the fact it was him being revered was a major surprise to him because he never thought he would be seen in that light.
Hoag Completely missed the point entirely
The future seers explain that fate and destiny does NOT exist just that everyone is so predictable by who they are and they don't / rarely change
The painting at the end that he was worshiped as a good God was painted over the one where he died because he changed because he OPENED HIS HEART to the suffering of innocent civilians
But how could predicting people's behavior predict ragnarok? That makes no sense. Ragnarok is a magical event that involves the world being destroyed outside of anyone's power. There is a lot of magic involved that can't be predicted simply with people's behavior.
@@warrenharshaw7677 Think about it like this: The Three Omni God is not real
God doesn't KNOW exactly what WILL happen in the future, he knows every possibility of everything that can happen in the future and plans accordingly. The Battle of Armageddon/End of the World happens no matter what but who is on which side of that war is up to us to determine. As for God of War and this example, most people are pretty steady in their mannerisms that it's easy to predict the most likely possible future out of the many.
@williamaguilar9389 You said that Armageddon was an event that needs to be predicted in order for them to know how everybody will react and what their actions will lead to. The event still needs to be predicted, and that has nothing to do with people's behavior because it is already set in stone. How do they even know the behaviors of people who they have never met before?
How do they know that killing Baldur will bring on Fimblewinter? Why and how does killing Baldur lead to fimblewinter?
Plus, they failed at predicting several things and people's behavior. They said that Kratos would kill Heimdall to save Atreus. But the reason Heimdall is dead is because he was in the way of them trying to save Freyr. Also, they did not predict the behavior of Surtur and his wife, who did not want to start ragnarok and frankly had no reason to. The seers should have been able to predict their behavior, considering they had felt this way for some time.
@@warrenharshaw7677 Future seers cannot see an absolute future they only see the most likely future it's that simple
I agree he missed the point. The way I understood it is that Angrboda painted over the existing mural that was no longer accurate after the events of Ragnarok. It's how she saw him AFTER the events that unfolded.
Dream blunt rotation
Heimdall the God of Endless Sarcasm deserves more discussion.
Idk what part made me think of this but I love the relationship has advanced between Kratos and Mimir, Kratos even refers to him as brother a few times.
"I've had good council since then brother"
It's been The Game Awards for 8 years and Colin still calls them the VGAs like it's on spike tv. Never change Colin.
It is fate
1:09:32 “BARTHOLEMEW NO” seriously who was this sudden guest star lmao
Funniest thing is that he survives, a side quest after had you rescue him from a wyvern who trapped him on a mountain
I love Chris... But hes wrong about the Atreus parts. His combat and play style were a breath of fresh air and super fun. Anyone else?
Nah I’m with you. What’s crazy is that Santa Monica figured out how to do better melee combat with a bow and arrow than Guerrilla lol
I would disagree. His story bits were great but combat was very shallow, clearly an after thought compared to Kratos, and was also just weak
It's interesting to me that Chris brings up The Last of Us 2 for having an obvious premise that is easy to accept (revenge is bad) because the same thing could be said about God of War. When Kratos fights for revenge, the results are never good, but when he forgives, the revenge cycle is broken. The only difference is that TLOU2's solution is forgiveness of others, while Ragnarok's is forgiveness of self.
This is the best spoilercast you guys have recorded yet. Top notch!
I really enjoyed the themes of this game. How truth is earned, and how truth is maintained. Form vs. nature. With the prophecies, it even touches on how history (or the future) is written with just a sliver of truth, and what is omitted or forgotten is often more important than what is told.
Chris went too hard on this spoilercast. He had my favorite takes on this, made me think of this game way more deeply than I had before. Seriously, good shit.
I feel like me and Hoeg played two different games
Great episode, boys!! I agree with Chris on how this game ultimately is all about being better 👏. However, I don't understand why Colin thinks this game is way too long when Horizon Forbidden West was twice as long as this game. Could it be because it's an open world?
It’s because he dislikes gow as an ip
True. I'm a bigger fan of horizon but it's literally not half as long as horizon. I got platinum in both and fw took over 100 while ragnarok was under 50
I'm with Hoag on only a single thing, the spear. Fuck is it amazing, I also used it almost exclusively after getting it. The way it attacked and it building stun as its specialty, so basically taking the place of the fists, was amazing.
Chaining fist attacks right into spear attacks is one of the most satisfying things I’ve done in a game. Just coming up with crazy combos just between those 2 is insane. Just doing crazy shit on the fly, like you just start seeing the matrix and coming up with wild shit almost second nature. Kinda like how I felt in doom eternal. Awesome stuff.
I really thought you'd use the flying boat more often. Not just to save Bartholomew.
Yeah, me too. That whole area should have been a main mission considering what you learn about Faye and also saving someone who could be in the final battle.
@@warrenharshaw7677 Now that you mention the final battle? He's not even there right? I don't recall seeing him ever again once we save him. What the heck happened to him? Haha
@@Patthebaker321 yeah lol. It's weird, right?
I think Santa Monica should make a 10-15 hr game showing how Kratos got to Midgard
I had the same thought. 10 to 15 hours, how he got to Midgard, but....in the original gameplay style! I want to see their modern take on the older formula!
I really wish they would have shown us that in the 1st game...
They really needed to explain how Kratos survived stabbing himself with the Sword of Olympus and how he got to the Norse realms. The image showing Kratos on a boat sailing from Greece is not a satisfactory answer.
There’s a God of War book/audiobook that explains what happened to him. It’s narrated by Mimir’s voice actor.
@juiceyboy14 They should have explained that in the game, considering it is a crucial piece of information.
@@warrenharshaw7677 I mean crucial to what? I'd say it's nice to know but it has no impact on the story.
The thing about the millions of up-gradable armor and weapons pieces is that literally every single stat in the game has a build you can make with (strength, stun, elemental, runic, rage, etc.) and gives you the freedom to play how you want and replay-ability with different builds. Some people only like to use runic so runic armor pieces will charge them faster etc. You can also set your favorite moves to cause even more stun/element/damage when doing the little challenges for them, making those armor pieces even more useful. Or you can mix and match
People are forgetting this game is most likely longer due to it been the last game and they was talk about it been a two or 3 part story cut across games.
Didn't Cory say they knew shortly after 1 that it was going to be a two part game
You have to use all 3 weapons if you’re playing on the hardest difficulties. No debate.
You should be doing that anyway
Of course you have to switch weapons all the time for runic attacks
This was a fantastic spoilercast!!! It was so great to see Hoeg on here as well. I'm surprised no one mentioned when Thor quoted Will Smith at the Oscars during the fight near the end of the game.
Hoeg is so exhausting to listen to. Literally something negative to say after every positive comment from someone
I guess the game length argument is down to the player and their circumstances. Some people just have more spare time to spend on longer games. I also find it hard to agree the game starts boring when it has some of the best cinematic encounters in its first …3 or 4 hours? (Thor, Huntress, bear etc).
I can't fathom that. Except for that one section, we all know which one, it had my rapt attention through the whole thing.
It's weird... I loved the game and loved the ending, but where Colin has said I think on an episode of Sacred Symbols that the game doesn't respect your time I agree with, but I don't agree that the game was too long... I think maybe that's the nature of being a reviewer or setting an expectation on an experience, but for many I think who don't have the burden of turnaround that can take the game in bursts, the experience is richer. So basically I think there is nuance there as some of those boss fights and Muspelheim trials DEFINITELY don't respect your time, but the story and downtime does.
Also, the Thor fight fake out death was top tier gaming moment!
@@ptroit the time respect thing is an interesting one. I agree in part but I'd again put that on the player as much as the game. E.g.you have skills available that some people just aren't using. I watched videos of streamers stubbornly repeating their exact same plays & using the same exact skill the whole way through the trials & getting nowhere over & over. And hours dragging by...
@@vincevirtua eh. I think sometimes it's the line between "this is a fun use of my time" vs. "this feels like checkmarking for checkmark sake". I know to some degree much of gaming is that now, but... It's hard to explain. As a God of War, for the rest of the game I feel like either a bad ass or that the challenge in a moment is earned. Some of the Muspelheim challenges, the Bezerkers, and Gna stood apart from the ramped challenge of the rest of the game. Thor was hard both times, Odin wasn't a walk in the park, some of the dragons were hard, the stalker Centaur in Vanahiem, Nidhogg, they were all reasonable challenges. Muspelheim during those final challenges bordered between fair and insane challenge/strategy. Some of the Bezerkers leaned heavy on requiring good parrying, which I have not been able to master the entire campaign (I was much better in 2018 so not sure why it was so much worse now), so it made those fights, no matter how much I altered my playstyle, nearly impossible. I get those are optional to the story, but to get get through the entire game and do almost everything fine and almost platinum it until the last 3 boss fights and feel their difficulty not match the other bits of the game is really jarring. Also the late game 3 gong bells for nornir chests were way more egregious this time around. I think in those ways, I agree to the merits of it not respecting my time as a gamer. I played on balanced the whole playthrough, but those last 3 Bezerkers and Gna did not meet the criteria of "balanced" imo.
It's a bit surprising to me that Colin thinks the game is too long whereas I had that same problem with Horizon Forbidden West - often feeling like that story was dragging compared to the tightness of Zero Dawn.
Yeahhh you can see where his bias lies in terms of what games he likes, nothing wrong with that, I just wish he was more honest about the games that he prefers rather then just say "the game is too long". Comes off as a weak argument in my eyes.
Horizon is an RPG though, so you don't really feel it.
@ChrisSavage I guess but why can't games be long just for the sake of being long? Why is it that only RPG games can be long?
@@echos9396 this would require Colin being honest enough to just outright say he hates the ip which he won’t do. He’ll just keep making weak arguments like this, or that the map sucks, and telling us all he doesn’t understand how we can like this ip more than tlou or horizon which are objectively better games apparently and we’re stupid for thinking otherwise. Love this podcast but holy fuck I can’t wait for them to stop talking about god of war it’s been truly painful the last two months.
Did you focus more on story missions or a lot of side stuff? I can see the long complaint if you did a lot of side stuff. I did literally 100% of all content other than machine sites before finishing the story and can totally see it being long but if you mainline it, no way IMO
This is the most hilarious Chris has been that I've seen, and he wasn't even trying, just talking about a game.
The dude offing himself on the boat had me dying
Bartholomew nooo! 🤣🤣
I love how the mural we thought was Kratos was actually Odin dying in Loki's arms
Idk why so many people hate the Atreus moments, I love that stuff if anything it’s a pallet cleanser but also those missions were fun and I loved the fact that he talked to himself , I’d rather have that than dead air and silence. As for the parts where you’re in the tree area as you go from realm to realm I think it was mainly used as a loading screen to load the assets while you’re waiting for that mystic gateway to appear. They loaded the assets while you’re walking around and listening to the story exposition. Which is fine, rather than fading to a black loading screen.
I genuinely lol’ed for a while at the “what if Jesus was the final boss?” moment ❤
Colin: Games too long
Also Colin: If you don't do literally everything in these massive open world games you're playing them wrong.
Pick a side bruh 😅 great spoilercast though. All the best to Hoeg and his family.
I did the exact same thing as you guys, where I switched through the three different weapons and would do all their specials. It felt almost cheap but fell awesome at the same time
One thing that bugs me with Odin being tyr is everytime Atreus would leave to meet with Odin that would mean tyr would also have to disappear. No one at brok and sindris house noticed that?
I know fake tyr would go to his room alot but none of them ever noticed?
That is a great point. Tyr would have had to have disappeared quite a lot, considering he was also running an entire realm.
I honestly felt the opposite of Chris. When i got to play as Atreus I was mad when I had to go back to playing Kraros. Atreus playstyle is much more nimble, versatile and combo potential is crazy. I wanted Atreus only DLC after playing as him. Hes amazing.
Chris, your takes in this were spot on with how I was feeling about it
My only issue with sindri is what no one is remembering. Sindri says atreus only takes takes takes. Atreus and kratos saved his life on the mountain from a dragon! I'm sorry, but if you saved my life, some of my treasures and secrets will be shared with you.
Man… I haven’t listened in awhile and Colin being on the Malice podcast brought me back and wow! This is a fantastic review about what really matters about a game. Bravo gentleman!!
Thank you for uploading this for free users. Much appreciated man. It's a new years gift for me. Thank you so much
There's no Cog or Matty, which is such a bummer.
The boat was only used to reach the Crater really.
Totally agree that the first third or so of the game is boring with all the puzzles, lackluster enemies, and uninteresting narrative. I'd say it's after atreus climbs the wall into asgard that the game really starts to pick up and gets better and better until the end.
46 minutes into this and I just have to say that Chris' analysis so far is fucking brilliant.
Firstly but most importantly I want to say that I hope that Rick Hoeg gets well and goes on to make a full and speedy recovery and knows that he is loved and supported by the community.
Secondly I am yet to play God of War Ragnarok. However, I will look forward to playing the game when I eventually get the chance to play it.
I don’t get Colin’s use of the word “clinical” to describe GoW:R’s creation. Every game ever made is made clinically. Nothing is done “by accident.”
I think the game has so much heart and as Chris described in great detail: wonderful and well-thought our themes.
I’m sure he didn’t mean it negatively necessarily but… it seemed a strange thing to note.
Really enjoyed the conversation and I really, really enjoyed Dustin's idea for the future of the franchise!
I wonder if Heimdall ever saw Kratos' intent. His cocky nature instantly disappears when he sees Thor's during their little confrontation, yet he remains cocky with Kratos and gets even more defiant when he loses his arm. It's only right before Kratos kills him that he seems to truly get scared and calls Kratos a monster.
I think the reason why Heimdall gets defeated by Kratos is because there are sooo many paths he fails to see the one that really matters.
I'm an hour in, would like to hear more Dustin.
Always happy to see Hoeg talking about games, he brings a fresh perspective
Really great discussion between all of you guys, I thought Chris in particular had some really great insights. Good stuff!
1:03:35
Colin, what difficulty did you play? Because a lot of moves are definitely intentional. You can def do a ton of shit and combos in tandem.
On the hardest difficulty you’re fucked if you aren’t on point and intentionally doing combos and swapping weapons on the fly.
GOWR was definitely game of the year.
Not even close
@@SzatanistaDzezowy what else?
@@pietroscarpa2384 Elden Ring
@Warren Harshaw that game has too many flaws to be game of the year. Let's be honest.
@pietroscarpa2384 Everything has flaws. Nothing is perfect.
What flaws are you referring to for it not to be GOTY?
Hoegs a Lawyer even when hes playing video games haha. Great perspective to have on the pallet.
1:50:59 That compass I had it set as swipe on/off in the game settings, and had it off for I'd estimate 80% of the time. You really don't need to have it there much. As for the puzzles, they've been a staple of past God of War games pre-2018, but I agree largely that a lot of them were flawed. I actually found the puzzle back-seating weird. I stopped getting the NPC feedback at a certain point later on, which was exactly when I actually needed the help as opposed the easy shit early/mid game.
Prayers up for Hoeg 🙏
ragnarok was the best ps4 game period imo.. i played the game on ps4 pro.. it was amazing.. soooo many details, santa monica blew gow2018 out of the water completely.. i looked at the gigs and 2018 was like 41 gigs.. ragnarok was over 100 gigs.. and it showed.. i loved ragnarok
Got the platinum last night on stream. The GNA bossfight took me 2.5 hours ln normal mode lol
Dustin's Theory @ 2:16:31 For anyone coming for Sacred Symbols 302!
The dwarves are incredible. Sin at the end was soul crushing as well as knowing what happened to Brok within the mythology. Funeral was amazing.
I cried at the funeral ⚱️
Awesome pitch at the end, Dustin.
Am I the only person who thought Freyr was written like an MCU character with his lame ass jokes?
Notice the icicles meeting at the end when the credits roll. The story will continue.
I really don't get the UI hate. What's so wrong with it? I never had any problem with it. It was nice looking and very clean to me. I agree the map is pretty useless, but the main menu UI looked good, I thought.
Colin Jupiter is a Roman God not Greek or Norse
Facts
Completely agree about the upgrade system being too much. This game could be streamlined.
As an accountant listening to this for background while working, I feel attacked by Colin’s spreadsheet comment. 53:49
Hahaha I am also an accountant listening to this at work😁
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I think the reason why you don’t hear more people talking about the little nitpicks is because I don’t think most people notice them .
LOVED Hoeg on this, hope to see him on more reviews
I do not believe that Kratos relapsed by killing Heimdall. Heimdall was trying to stop them from saving Freyr. Kratos even gave him a chance to get away, but Heimdall's pride would not let him leave without a fight to the death. If Kratos didn't kill Heimdall, he would have just kept coming back and back and maybe even hurt Atreus in the process.
"That's in one of the Excel cells" hysterical
The real tyr was such a wimp when you finally find him, just embarrassing relative to all the hype surrounding him throughout the game. The dude basically fumbles his words, trying to figure out if he knows Kratos or not, only to tell them that he wants to be left alone after a lifetime of solitude. Just went out of his cell into the room outside of the cell and sat on the floor, like what. That character amounted to nothing in the end.
They were so focused on the twist that they didn't give the real Tyr any character. They could have easily given us a mission in the main game to rescue the real Tyr and not just tacked it on in the end.
Does anybody know who blew the horn in the first game? Was it explained at all?
Two years on and people still dont get the theme of tlou2 was ellie forgiving joel for what he did. Her whole journey in part 2 has interludes with flashbacks to not just happy times yeay :) but all of them deal with the fallout of what joel did.
Good discussion fellas. Overall after beating the game i found the ending to be very abrupt and underwhelming. Asguard as a whole was disappointing. The final 3 boss fights were lackluster and many questions are left unanswered. Fast travel in this game is abysmal. Atreus leaving at the end as soon as the war is over feels out of place. For me there was alot more that i wanted at the end and its done and over with in a hurry, wish this story was 3 games instead of just 2.
Good god the narrative takes from Hoeg would make Mauler slam his head like Black Widow lol
The Tyr surprise, i audibly said "oh my God" which I never do. Truly a phenomenal twist.
I think Chris, along with some people that also think the message in TLoU 2 is too basic, maybe forget or didn't notice that that game IS also about self-forgiveness, Ellie forgives herself in the end for wasting all those years she could've had with Joel, I think that's a bit of a disservice people do to this game with their interpretation of "it's only revenge bad".
So agree with this. I roll my eyes every time people say the theme is revenge is bad. That is so simplistic and wrong and tells you someone who really didn't understand what the game is about.
@@elcarta10ify Yup, just finished it again, that ending is so amazing, heart-wrenching but also about finding peace after all that. "I don't think I can ever forgive you for that. But I'd like to try".
Dustin!! Awesome idea for a sequel! 👏
one thing that really stood out to me was the friendship between atreus and sindri.. i totally loved it because to me it seemed so real and genuine.. of course atreus would be friends with sindri because sindri was really personable and had personality and he listened.. atreus would certainly gravitate to those traits after losing his mother.. of course atreus loves kratos but its very apparent that atreus is lacking much only having a man around who speaks as little as possible and never laughs.. so it made absolute perfect sense to me that atreus gravitated to sindri
Best spoilercast I've listened to, really enjoyed that, thanks a million gents
I think we get the next gow and horizon at the end of this gen (2027-2028) and they"ll be cross gen ps5/ps6 games. And of course people are gonna complain saying saying they should be ps6 only lol
I will say I enjoyed this game more than the 2018 by a lot.
Without the upgrade items you wouldn’t have much of a reason to explore.
I think its great. I would have enojoyed it more if I didn't do the side quests from the beginning instead of basically letting myself get burnt out before stopping doing side quests two thrids of the way through. For me my biggest criticism is Freya doesn't feel like a well rounded character so traveling around with her for so long isn't great. Also Mimir, Freya's and Atreus's combat "chatter" or whatever you call it, felt a lot like marvel dialog and style of humar which really bogged me down after hearing those lines so much. In general the writing has a lot of "oh that's giant stuff" and "can't believe I just said that", "because THAT's a normal thing to say" marvel-isms which I would have tolerated much better had I just taken the shortest through line through the story. Great performance by Odin - awesome being in asgard. The way they try and humanize Thor and his wife and child could have worked, but fell felt for me.
I wonder what you guys thought on Freya forgiving Kratos, it made absolutely no sense to me, especially afterwards Freya bring all flirty and casual with Kratos, imo the biggest narrative flaw of the game
To me totally made sense. Her being angry was what didn't make sense. Her being rational and understanding that Kratos wasn't the one to blame made perfect sense.
@@rd_2113 it didn't make sense to you that Freya was angry at the man who killed her son?
If you read the Norse Myth, it says that Heimdall had a vision about Baldur dying, and Frrya tried to prevent that but all she forgot was the mistletoe. The thing about this is that Odin has absolutely no hand in any of this, Kratos is the only one to blame about Baldur's death, but Freya forgives him and says that Idin is the one she should be angry with. No! Kratos is the only one whom Freya should be angry with.
@@JuliusCaesar103 Odin totally had a hand to play, it is said that he foster a divide between Freya and Baldur, that he made Baldur feel inadequate (like he does with everybody).
Kratos killed Baldur to save Freya's life ffs. Yeah she says she wanted to handle it on her own and wanted to be able to chose to die and in the end Kratos made a promise, learned from it and let her decide the fate of Odin.
@@rd_2113 don't think that's enough to make Odin be the bearer of the burden.
1:14:40 yeah what an outrageous spoiler
1:33:00 interesting points raised in this stretch
Sindri's transformation in the game was absolutely beautiful. He went to Hel (literally) to bring back his twin brother, his other half. And when he died he became a monster.
Get well soon Hoeg!!
Get well soon Hoeg ❤️
Don't own a ps....so I'm glad I can hear this stuff
Halo is coming to PlayStation. Just saying
Thoughts with Hoeg and family! Enjoyed this discussion and it was a bittersweet, but welcome surprise to see Rick here.
I liked the game a lot. Maybe not as much as the previous game though. I agree about parts slowing it down though. I did not really enjoy most of the parts where I was controlling Atreus. Atreus's combat was just not fun, and it was too simple. The part with Atreus and Angraboda riding around on the yak was really tedious.
My favorite part of the game was probably they side area on Vanaheim, "The Crater" that section itself could have been it's own stand alone DLC and would have been as good as The Frozen Wild for Horizon Zero Dawn.
Brok, Sindri and Mimir are the stars of this game IMO...their performances are right up there with Troy Baker as Joel for best video game performances.
I totally disagree with them about the puzzles though. God of War games all have puzzles, and not all of them are combat puzzles. I enjoyed the puzzles a lot, and that is where the Castelvania aspect came in. However, yes I think EVERYONE thinks the dialogue from the side characters telling you how to do the puzzles is annoying, so IMO, play testing should have told them NOT to do that. Also, Freya's VA was so wooden and deadpan in those bits of dialogue.
finally got around to playing this and i feel much the same. Graphics, gameplay, voice acting were all top notch. The Story had some moments but overall i felt lik eit was missing something by the time i finished it. The side quests were good but i felt they distracted me so much that it took away even more from the main story.
Absolutely phenomenal game in every facet. Tied with forbidden West for best game of the year. I will be excited to dive back into new game plus, in the spring. I am hoping that they make the atreus sections optional however in the New Game Plus
Well wishes to Hoeg
Even though most of you guys might’ve been joking I think going either to Egypt or explore the Catholic/Christian mythology would be cool. But also very bold. Egypt would be visually cool to see but I think exploring western religion could be just as fascinating and you don’t even need to really include Jesus. Maybe he is just talked about like Oden was in the first Star Wars game or he could just be kind of a background character that you don’t know who is Jesus
They wouldn't have to use Jesus. They could just use Angels, demons, devils, and fallen angels. There is a lot they could use.
Great discussion everyone. I absolutely love this game, faults and all. It's one of my favourite games of all time, and my 2nd favourite game of 2022 (1st being Horizon: Forbidden West).
Moments of greatness, but that middle. My god that middle was like a bad teenage romance and then being stuck in a room with a bitter divorced wife. That middle was rough. I liked it by the end but I was worried. The ending also seemed incredibly rough. But again, moments of absolute greatness unlike any other game out there.
Really, did they not play the side quests.. you literally use the boat to get to an entire new area.