Well, I wasn't subscribed in the first place, so... I enjoyed the tier list! Thanks for talking about things and stuff! I'm curious if you'd be interested in making a meme tier list? Like, how the characters would rank when used in Meme Classes, such as Gremmory Hilda or Swordmaster Seteth.
@@Rengor1997 I might use her at least for that chapter then bc I never used her in maddening bc I thought she joined after then and at that point the main obstacle left in the game is chapter 13 I still think a mage team is one of the easiest ways to beat maddening, the enemy doesn't know what res and so long as none of them see enemy combat, you don't have to worry about the fact they tend to be fragile. Considering few units can tank well in maddening anyways.... (it's how I eventually beat chapter 6, a LOT of mages, I think I had both GD mages, both AW mages, and sylvain and it preps lysithea to one turn almost every defeat boss map in the game)
English please, I can google translate this but any nuances will get lost as a result. I also don't speak spanish so the reply must be in english. Generally, you want to consider: 1 - Team size. Aim for Byleth + Lord + 8 + Seteth/Jeritza, as the part 1 deployment limit is 10, whereas after Seteth/Jeritza join it's raised to 11. The 12th slot given to you for the final 1-2 maps should just be filled by some utility unit, don't bother raising a combat unit for just that purpose. 2 - The early game EXP distribution. It's worth it to drop some in-house units and replacing them with recruits, since that allows you to focus the early game EXP into fewer units, making them better as a result, while the recruits get free EXP essentially. This isn't essential - runs that use all in-house students are obviously doable, but it's harder. As for Hunting By Daybreak, the easiest way to handle that is by following this vid's advice: th-cam.com/video/E1-46PebA4w/w-d-xo.html 3 - Making sure team utility is accounted for. Dancers are obvious, but you also want to account for: having a Physic, Warp and utility gambit users - specifically Impregnable Wall, Blessing, Retribution and (outside of CF) Dance of the Goddess. 4 - Plan out your class paths. Combat units are overall very replacable in 3H, but you just want to have a plan regarding what classes you want your units to go through, as that allows you to plan which weapon ranks they need to have trained. That's it mostly. With 3H units being overall replacable these are the main things I kept in mind when doing my runs.
@@burstinatrixflames2506 You dont super need to, with the exception of siege tome dancer strats, where you explicitly want to do so. Otherwise its more important to just fill in some roles.
How come units like Dedue and Cyril are higher than Annette despite having worse one shot offenses? Having Lightning Axe come at C+ with a boon is pretty low cost, and she can stack her damage crazy high thanks to external stats (Mercedes adjutant/magic staff/Axes having ridiculous MT) and most enemies having non existent res. Hitting magic avoid instead of regular avoid is also really useful, especially against stuff like assassins in bushes. Way I see it you can just recruit someone like Leonie as an authority bot if you’re worried about lost authority.
Vengeance is per missing point of HP. Lightning axe is 0.7x magic I think (I know it isn’t 1x magic) not to mention for the average unit HP is their highest stat. For Cyril and dedue especially. Compare to Annette, who needs A rank axes to reach their combat art, not having enough stats to reasonably one shot unless you abuse monastery to an insane amount
Good tier list, esp considering 3h recruit wonkyness- I think you placed them all very well- now lets get 4 in house tier lists and a LARGE out of house comparative tier list KEK (jk don't do that)
Would you do it? What would you... hmm?...What would any of you be willing to do? Hmm? Would you sail to the end of the earth and beyond to fetch up without the memories of the games to start of blind again?
Great list, definitely the most knowledgeable tier list on 3H I've seen. I think Yuri could stand to be ranked higher, similar to the role you discussed for Felix he can work really well as a brawler in my experience, since his stats are similarly good, his passive provides increased damage and he has a much easier time reaching high authority ranks. The main thing holding him back is his Axe bane, but qualifying for Brigand really isn't too difficult despite that.
Grappler is his best class for sure, he just doesn’t fit into it as easily as Felix does, and has a weaker early game (admittedly not by much, Yuri has a really good early game with Windsweep, high speed, and high base authority). Felix definitely pulls ahead in terms of damage output, so Yuri ends up being a discount version of him with access to higher level battalions.
@@zunkgrass2341 also Felix has an actually useful crest whose damage early game outclasses wind sweeping, 15% strength growth and an inate bow boon which means slightly faster hit+20, not to mention his only boon that matters can still be trained easily by giving em batallions.
I think Sylvain having ruined sky is so underrated, being able to one shot enemies as early as chapter 5 is crazy, same thing goes for Hilda to a lesser extent. Cyril has something similar, if you recruit him as early as possible he will be around the level of the rest of your units and is only half a rank away from point-blank volley which, when paired with a steel bow+, makes him one of the first units who's able to one-round reliably, his early game is crazy and after getting him vengeance he can focus on becoming a Wyvern making his constant offensive presence amazing all the way through to end game which is when Dedue finally shines. Cyril's ease of use is also something i value a lot and honestly it's not mentioned enough.
One hit killing units early isn't as small of a niche as you might think. Any character that has 7+ defense on the chapter 2 mandatory aux battle can equip the +3 defense battalion and a iron shield with a broken weapon can grind weapon and authority ability. Any unit with a broken combat art and 7+ defense can get it in chapter 2 (Dedue, Leonie, out of house Sylvain +)
Dedue's early game is insane. His great bulk is what makes blue lion the best house for the early game. On offense his vengeance is as early as cyril. I actually find Dedue's late game to be quite lacking since vengeance really need mobility to shine which both cyril and bernie do better.
@@zachm9964who wants to spend a long time just pressing end turn though? I dislike the concept of “efficient play” but I’m not gonna grind, if I wanted to do that I’d play Normal mode.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Holy Knight Bernadetta The Woke? I thought not. It's not a story the Casuals would tell you. It's an insanity legend. Holy Knight Bernadetta was a level 30 unit of the Empire, so powerful and so wise she could use her Vengeance to influence the HP bars to OHKO everything… She had such a knowledge of the memes that with Rescue she could even keep the ones she cared about from dying. The SOYO side of the Meta is a pathway to many strategies some consider to be unnatural. She became so powerful… the only thing she was afraid of was losing her power, which eventually, of course, she did. Unfortunately, she taught Dark Bishop Caspar everything she knew, then Caspar killed her in her sleep. Ironic. She could save others from death, but not herself.
One under mentioned thing that I do think helps alot toward Edelgard being the best unit is access to crest of flames. Yes it doesn't always proc but just makes it more likely she will survive things others won't. Survivabilty tends to get underrated at times and I think it is more of a thing here given monsters and stuff exist so not everything can be oneshot.
@@Rengor1997 yeah probably not the best combo there lol. it might mess with a couple skills here and there but I still think its more of boon than anything in general. I just think very highly of it personally.
22:26 Hey, Rengor. Bernadetta can be made bulky at relatively low cost. I recently uploaded a guide on the step-by-step process on how to make any TWO units to be very bulky and give them early access to Weight-5, all without spending too many resources (you only need Instruction for one Chapter, and one auxiliary battle). Of course, for the results to be possible on Bernadetta at this near-zero cost, you need to play a Black Eagles route (the method I describe only works on units that are in your team at the start of Chapter 2). So, in 2/4 routes, Bernadetta can be made into a bulky frontline unit. While I haven't personally used this method on Bernadetta yet, my guess is that it would help her to spam Vengeance much more easily and safely.
I saw. Didnt comment on it but basically you're still significantly wasting resources on it by diverting goal and instruct WEXP, esp since with a double bane WEXP gain slows to a crawl and bernadetta both doesnt need it and it'd be a waste of the limited supply of Intermediate Seals you have till ch 8. Armor Knight on mages just diverts WEXP training for no real gain.
@@Rengor1997 Yeah, there's a cost on WExp from Goals for five chapters. It translates into delaying some gains, like Lysithea's Dark Spikes or Warp (I couldn't get the former before Chapter 4, but got both before Chapter 6 mission). But at least it doesn't affect other units' training, since no Instruction points are diverted into the Armor training, and the Instruction for Axes is just for one chapter (with two sessions) on two units. Since it's possible to be Prof. Level C+ at that time, you have 5 Instruction points per lecture day. And if the chosen units were already going to take two of those points anyways, then it still doesn't affect the other units. But yeah, you're right in that there is a cost. I say it's a trade-off: You exchange delaying some gains (like super early Dark Spikes) for the long-term effect of increased bulk that opens up Enemy Phase opportunities. And as for the Intermediate seals: I personally didn't have a problem with those. I still certified all the units in my team into their conventional Intermediate classes on a timely manner. Although I don't remember if I recruited any students (besides Hapi) before Chapter 6, and the money from DLC auxiliary battles is probably what let me buy all the seals as they were added to the market each month (even while doing just one day of Battles per month). Finally, the banes don't really matter with this technique. Units like Lysithea (who also has a double bane) can still reach the D+ rank in Axes and D rank in Armor regardless of the bane, just with the steps from the guide. During the farming session, they can still reach Rank A+ in Armor (even if they have a bane and lack Mastermind, like Marianne) and more than B rank in Axes. The bane is not relevant after that, since they won't be training those ranks any longer. Even for a physical unit, the Axe bane is a non-factor for both the process and the result. For example, Bernie can just give up on using Axes and just focus on Lances and Bows as her weapons of use. But the farmed Axe ranks open the option of certifying her as a Brigand (for Death Blow) and as a Wyvern Rider (as an intermediate step before Falcon Kinght), as well as a Fortress Knight for the extra stats. 1/2
I still think the technique I showcased is useful in some units (not necessarily for all). For example, I used it on both Lysithea and Marianne. Lysithea was able to become the kind of unit I described in the intro of the video (being able to do enemy-phase Nosferatu tanking while killing many enemy types and also becoming able to double most enemies on player phase is amazing), but Marianne didn't get to do much with that power because I still mainly used her as a hit-and-run ranged Canto unit. I think Ignatz could have made a better use of this than Marianne. While I haven't done this myself, I think that applying this on Ignatz lets you take him down this path: After the farming on the second weekend of Chapter 6, he already has access to these Intermediate classes: Brigand, Armored Knight, and Archer if you trained him in Bows, and has the ranks to certify into Warrior and Fortress Knight once he reaches Level 20. With Warrior, he gets the innate Axe Crit+10, with the potential of having another one if he attained rank S during the farming session. With Fraldarius Soldiers, Killer Axe+, and Smash (on Player Phase, if needed) he can already start stacking very high amounts of Crit. And he also has access to Battalion Vantage, so once it is set-up, he can get high Crit on both phases, even if Wrath isn't equipped or active. And as to how War Master can be attained: I think it would be either a matter of setting it as a goal between the point he becomes a Warrior (around Chapter 8) to the point where he becomes level 30 (shortly after timeskip), or making Ignatz be the deployed unit on the farming day so he can farm both Axes and some Brawling ranks (no need to farm Swords, since he wouldn't bring a Levin Sword to that battle). In other routes, I think good candidates would be as follows: Black Eagles could be Bernie, Caspar, and maybe Hubert. I don't include the other mages here because Dorothea is most likely a dancer and Linhardt is basically just a utility unit. Bernie could make good use of this if turned into a melee flier (she can become a Wyvern Rider thanks to the farmed Axe ranks, and then go into Falcon Knight for Lancefaire). Of course, Bow Bernie would fall in the same case as Marianne, where a hit-and-run unit wouldn't make use of the added bulk and AS. Caspar could have an easier time spamming One-Two-Punch and Exhaustive Strike. And Hubert could take a similar role to Lysithea, although he would be chipped down by Thyrsus and he doesn't have utility options (and also lacks access to Gremory and the DLC magic classes). In Blue Lions, I could see Annette, Ingrid and Ashe making some good use of it. Annette at least has an Axes boon, and she may even have an easier time being built as a non-magic unit (like a Wyvern user). Ashe is similar to Bernadetta, but not as good. Ingrid at least could gain some stats (mostly Str), but if she is built as a dodge-tank, then the extra bulk may not be all that relevant. I don't think units who are already bulky may benefit too much from this, since they can reasonably reach 17 Def and Str around the time they become level 20 (17 Def may come shortly after). And as mentioned earlier, dodge tanks, hit-and-run, and utility units may not make use of this at all. So I think it is best done on units who are used mostly for fighting. Although of course, utility options are welcome. For example, Bulky Frontline Lysithea still has the flexibility of using Warp if the situation demands it. Same with Bulky Flier Bernie, who can still have Encloser equipped and a Bow in her inventory to use in situations that call for it. Although, War Master Critnatz may give up all his utility options in favor of the fearsome dual-phase high (guaranteed against many enemy types) crit build. 2/2
Bernie can unironically help tank if her Hp is high enough. I’ve had her survive rounds with falcon knights but that was with 70 HP. She shouldn’t want to be tanky anyways because vengeance is harder to set up with tanky units. dedue for instance sometimes needs a mage to get him to 1hp with blessing/adjutant which can hurt his flexibility. Bernie meanwhile generally has enough HP to survive one hit. Base Bernadetta with prt stacking can actually live some of the poison bow archers on HBD with 2 health, which means base Bernadetta can commit a war crime on pallardo at base
Great video! I actually learn a lot from watching this video. The quality of information is great On a quick note I think it is sort of unfair to point out that Dimitri has worse crit potential than Edelgard early game based solely on the luck stat. If you add dex+luck, as does the crit formula, you will find that dimitri has at base dex7+luck5, whereas Edelgard has D5+L5. Additionally, if you take into account growths they have exactly the same potential for crits if we exclude things like class abilities (Dimitri has dex50+luck25 whereas Edelgard has dex45+luck30). Again, I can't emphasize enough how well research this video is. Great job!
The crit wasn't being compared against edelgard, it was compared against 100% crit rate, which with a wrath/vantage setup meant to do as much as Dimitri's you really want.
@@Rengor1997 oh I see, my bad dude. You are a sage!. But does dimitri have trouble reaching 100% crit with lances or with all weapons?. Because I would think that he using the wo dao or the cursed sword (forgot the name) + battalion, habilities and other shenanigans would be more than enough (?)
The issue there is that you're wasting even more WEXP on sword training when going for A auth alrdy puts a strain on him and none of the sword classes are good - SM gives +10 sword crit but you're locked to glorious 5 mov. So overall it's better to go with Lances anyway.
smh u didn't talk about lightning axe wyvern lord annette the best unit in the game On a serious note, I still don't really understand the case for Balthus. His stats aren't even that good; he gets doubled by pretty much everyone when I've used him, and while his defenses are good, I find his hp difficult to manage. He wants to be below half hp AND on enemy phase, which is a headache when he doesn't tink enemies. Once he gets into grappler his speed issues get ok but regardless, I've never really understood the hype.
If you use his personal then his strength stat can rival Felix, El & Dimitri(depending on their set up, stat booster etc.obviously). He does have the worst crit growth in the game. I'm going to try the build next play through but I never understood why people talk about wyvern lord Annet, she can use lightning ax in dark knight just fine and wyvern lord has a negative magic growth. But again I'll try it because maybe I'm missing something, she better one shot hegemon El or I'm gonna be disappointed that I have been lied to.
@@self-sustainedauto-canibal6207 the way I see it, if you need to be at low hp to do battle with enemies, you have to be able to oneshot them. Balthus can do that with fierce iron fist I guess, but it takes a while to get him there. Maybe I need to replay the game but I remember his early game being very situational.
His HP is actually super easy to manage because he can drain enemy HP with his Crest of Chevalier (heals with Combat Arts) and Draining Blow to basically get back any HP he lost in a fight with the mob of enemies you sent him into and repeat the process all over. Sticking a strong Shield and high-Protection Battalion on him makes him almost functionally invincible.
Hello Rengor1997, I want to build Petra who is good at both player and enemy phases with Vatage, Defiant Crit, Death Blow, and Hit+20. What class and fifth ability would you recommend (without considering time to master class or raise skill)?
Replace Death Blow with Str+2 and add the Prowess skill of the weapon type you're using, probably Axes. If ranks REALLY arent a problem, replace str+2 with axefaire
Agree with pretty much everything but I think marianne could be even higher. Like when your main healer can also one shot most enemies in the game with frozen lance. I think she does so much more than mercedes to only be ranked 3 spots higher than her. -imo the best character in the game at killing sword units (uncanny blow+frozen lance) -amazing heals -physic by chapter 2 -versatility to become valkyrie, dark flier, mortal savant, Gregory, dark knight, holy knight or even just bishop -thoron -ridiculously high crit rates -top 3 dancer in the game (best in GD) -also she is super cute so extra points
Absolutely, but you'll be sacrificing her range as opposed to BK and making her into basically a Swift Strikes unit copy. Which of course still results in a great unit, it's just a waste of potential IMO. But Falco is definitely one of her best builds.
But yeah Dimitri and Edelgard are easily the best. I think Dimitri with investment is quite a lot better IMO but Edelgard just needs death blow and then put her in a flier class and gg. Also since BE has so many kill boss maps her combat art is just god-like.
Felix is way overrated. His combat art disappears in the mid game, he doesn't have a personal brave combat art, he's a man so no darting blow or mid game flying, and his authority bane makes it harder for him to use good battalions. Alois is a superior late game gauntlet user. Felix probably belongs in low mid tier or high low tier.
Is this a joke? Effectively 15 base strength with his personal, 55% strength and speed growths, +5 damage crest with a 40% proc rate, brawling boon for a dodge tank build. If you really don't want to raise his authority just give him the E rank jeralt mercs for 15 avo and 10 crit.
@@p0oka261 I won't disagree that he has a good early game but his personal is a double edged sword. his speed doesn't matter to much because he won't be fast enough to double most enemies on maddening since he can't get darting blow. his crest also falls off in usefulness as the game starts to focus more on combat arts and gambits. the best way to use him is to take advantage of his good early game and then transition him into becoming a guard adjutant.
why no dedue review? EDIT: I'm 100% new to FE(3houses first FE game ever) and trying to learn. I'm trying my first playthrough to be Blue lions, no recruit, and I don't have access to NG+ on Mad.
@@Rengor1997 Thank you so much, I didn't see that. If I may ask, what did you mean getting wrath/vantage(the regular ones) on Dedue? Did you mean the battalion wrath/vantage from hero or actually going Hero, then switching to warrior? Sorry for the dumb questions like I says I'm new.
@@exiled68 I mean mastering Vantage from Mercenary and Wrath from Warrior so he doesnt have to set up the battalion versions and just run em in War Master, as combined with Vengeance they synergize really well. example build: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596005726292279348/876499031235366952/Dedue_War_Master.jpg EDIT: btw consider recruiting 3 characters that dont appear as enemies on BL as otherwise you have 12 characters, where the max deployment is 12 + 3 adjutants.
Am not rengor but, Shamir has EP, needs zero investment, has a combat art that requires zero setup, is a prepromote with good growths and even better bases. Bernie has lackluster stats and without vengeance she wouldn’t be BAD but she’d be significantly worse. And even with vengeance if she misses she dies. Shamir can one round, chip, and reasonably reach crit+10 on bows so she can shred monster health bars with killer bow hunters volley
@@joho4430 Can you also explain why Bernie and Shamir are higher than Claude? I'm just curious because I thought Claude was definitely top 3 along with Edelgard and Dimitri. I at least expect him to best the best bow character.
@@Alexander-dw3jw Claude lacks long range CAs and Wind God is basically a better Deadeye which takes a bit of time to get. Shamir and Bernie can reliably one shot enemies with Vengeance and HV as early as chapter 4 for Bernie and chapter 6 or 7 for Shamir.
This is a good list; you pretty much explain without going over the top about just one OP ability (although without RS, A, and FS I wonder if you'd reshuffle the lords?). I focus more on main party usage and Chapter cheese (13), so I'd raise Ashe to Low and lower Shamir and Bernadetta to High. I mean logically that should mean Lysithea to High also in AM and SS but her spell list is just too superior. When I think about main party in my experience I've never had a good Anna, Manuela, Hanneman, or Cyril that wasn't outclassed in their role by somebody else. Everybody else on this list had at least multiple maps where I was 100% glad I had them and didn't regret benching those (yes, even Flayn). I could see how Wyvern Lord Army players would disagree with me however XD
-Atrocity is honestly so useless Id rather just give the lance to Seteth and use Swift Strikes. With relic CAs the only relevant ones are Raging Storm and Sublime Heaven, so the lords lacking em might only mean Edelgard could debatably fall below Dimitri but its still debatable. -I dont get how "main party usage" hampers Bernadetta given her best showing is the BE routes where u cant get early Catherine or Cyril so her power is even more appreciated + her lategame versatility. Same with Shamir, no matter the route she great. -I wanna know how tf Cyril is useless when he can literally ORKO ch 5 enemies not named Miklan at base. Even in SS hes good once ch 14 hits, as shown in my SS 0%. So this one is a definite case of "gud git".
@@Rengor1997 - I found 15mt and 20hit for 4 + effective vs all wasn't 'useless', but then again I wasn't going into every map to Dimitri solo with the combo so I guess shame on me for not exploiting -When I mentioned main party I also mentioned C13 specifically and Bern's SS entry point nullifies any advantages she has since you would have the map under control by that time already; that's why I give Ashe a little bit more credit there since w/his spawn location in AM if he is one-rounding he is putting in work when you do need it. Of course would be different if you could have Shamir avail there but you don't and availability factors in for me. Perhaps too specific a guideline on my part but C13 early rounds on maddening AM/VM/SS are more dependent on your builds than almost anything else in Part 2 and I have to weigh that accordingly. -Who said Cyril was useless? I did say I just never had a run where he was better enough in skillset or utility to bench someone else in favor of him. Maybe all mine just got rng screwed I dunno.
I like the analysis. Always awesome to hear different perspectives, especially from people who's skills are incredible. The DLC characters were not used in the LTC with Mekkah makes the placement of Balthus wowzer. Maybe I missed the statement, but is this for efficiency or pure LTC like your playthrough voiced by Mekkah?
It'd work but overall it'd be a massive waste of potential as you're giving up on her A bows and fastest HV Mastery for something basically all phys female units can do.
@@DaveCynik For Sniper Shamir the mandatory mastery is well, Sniper, but if you have time then Death Blow/Hit+20 help. Str +2 would help too but that's trying too hard in a regular run tbh.
I don't think of it of negativity. To me it comes off as humorous. Similar to Professor Bopper who is a FETuber, self deprecating humor or dark humor is very funny since Rengor executes it well
Not an issue with the placement, but I think it's weird to mention availability between routes as a perk for Bernadetta relative to Dedue. If that's a factor for route specific units, Dmitri and Edelgard are certainly rated too highly.
It wasn't a deciding factor, it ultimately came down to the long range and additional utility bernie brings to the table without missing out on 3 maps. Edelgard and Dimitri are so centralizing that multiroute avail doesnt rly matter.
Byleth + 9, then add Seteth or Jeritza depending on route as the party size expands as soon as they join. When the game allows a 12th member, add a utility unit
@@Rengor1997 hi, ik this is late lol, but what would you consider a utility unit that isn't essential on every map - basically who makes good 12th unit fodder?
@@Rengor1997 If that is the way you would like to play and you enjoy that, why not? Although I have the subtle feeling that this comment is maybe a little made up.
How do you consistently keep a battalion wrath setup active when you're using vengeance and vantage? You need to take damage to get low HP but that reduces your battalion? Are you just meant to wear down the battalion in an auxiliary battle or do you use a devil axe or something for self damage? Im using bernie and just hit time skip so I want to know
Devil Axe doesnt work for this as only direct damage or monster AoE deplete durability. Essentially it's a shift of mentality from just mindlessly replenishing battalions every single time to choosing ones to not deplete and have ready. So having a stockpile and strategically saving up durability helps. A useful trick is that a battalion cant fall past 1/3rd without stopping at it, so a 21/60 battalion can be used to drop to 1 HP and still have 20/60.
@@Rengor1997 I more meant with the HP, in order to drop to vantage and vengeance range you'll need to take a bit of damage so do you just replenish it occasionally and let bernie get hit in an auxiliary battle or is there a trick that I'm not getting. I generally only run dmitri with both battalion versions or a dodge tank with battalion wrath so I'm not that familiar
Dedude is not supposed to take damage, he is the one who takes no daage with Pavise and a good shield and claps everyone who dares to approach him. Dimitri also already uses lances, so what's the deal with Vengeance?
It's significantly easier to spec him towards Vantage Wrath Vengeance than it is to have him survive part 2 maddening as a PRT tank, especially given the proliferation of magic users. You can't take damage in the first place if you just yeet the enemy before they have a chance. And "Dimitri already uses lances" is an incredibly weak argument because exactly what does that mean for the team? Most wyverns use axes anyway so should I include a sword user "for variety" even when swords are significantly worse overall? An example build of WM Dedue by a friend: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591703561516089353/899394815756763166/Dedue_War_Master.jpg
@@Rengor1997 I only played AM on hard and he was my best unit together with Petra as an assassin. Dimitri was arguably my worst unit tho, fucking hated that guy. I also don't get what you have against swords - the Wo Dao+ crits basically every time and I kill everything with it.
@@Rengor1997 I also dislike it thematically giving him a lance. Its the signatire weapon of Dimitri and Dedude is the guy who does the heavy lifting and heavy hitting which is why I made him a Warmaster. Fits thematically way better imo.
Lysithea rhymes with diarrhea, I rest my case.
you cant spell diarrhea without rhea
@@Rengor1997 oh no you didn’t
I did not expect Balthus being this high. Good breakdowns
Some food for thought, with some interesting arguments that may push me to shake thimgs up on my next playthrough!
Thanks for the video!
Catherine would be an objectively better version of Felix if she was male
That’s not very nice but it’s true
i hate genderlocked classes so much
The one time when being male would be a net benefit to a unit
Perfect tier list. Seriously this is the best one I've seen
*Lys appears* Why do I hear boss music
Well, I wasn't subscribed in the first place, so...
I enjoyed the tier list! Thanks for talking about things and stuff! I'm curious if you'd be interested in making a meme tier list? Like, how the characters would rank when used in Meme Classes, such as Gremmory Hilda or Swordmaster Seteth.
Wait you can get Shamir in chapter 6?!? I could have sworn it was a couple chapters later
Yep, chapter 6 in all routes
@@Rengor1997 I might use her at least for that chapter then bc I never used her in maddening bc I thought she joined after then and at that point the main obstacle left in the game is chapter 13
I still think a mage team is one of the easiest ways to beat maddening, the enemy doesn't know what res and so long as none of them see enemy combat, you don't have to worry about the fact they tend to be fragile. Considering few units can tank well in maddening anyways.... (it's how I eventually beat chapter 6, a LOT of mages, I think I had both GD mages, both AW mages, and sylvain and it preps lysithea to one turn almost every defeat boss map in the game)
que es lo que hay que tener en cuenta al crear un equipo para maddening?
English please, I can google translate this but any nuances will get lost as a result. I also don't speak spanish so the reply must be in english.
Generally, you want to consider:
1 - Team size. Aim for Byleth + Lord + 8 + Seteth/Jeritza, as the part 1 deployment limit is 10, whereas after Seteth/Jeritza join it's raised to 11. The 12th slot given to you for the final 1-2 maps should just be filled by some utility unit, don't bother raising a combat unit for just that purpose.
2 - The early game EXP distribution. It's worth it to drop some in-house units and replacing them with recruits, since that allows you to focus the early game EXP into fewer units, making them better as a result, while the recruits get free EXP essentially. This isn't essential - runs that use all in-house students are obviously doable, but it's harder. As for Hunting By Daybreak, the easiest way to handle that is by following this vid's advice: th-cam.com/video/E1-46PebA4w/w-d-xo.html
3 - Making sure team utility is accounted for. Dancers are obvious, but you also want to account for: having a Physic, Warp and utility gambit users - specifically Impregnable Wall, Blessing, Retribution and (outside of CF) Dance of the Goddess.
4 - Plan out your class paths. Combat units are overall very replacable in 3H, but you just want to have a plan regarding what classes you want your units to go through, as that allows you to plan which weapon ranks they need to have trained.
That's it mostly. With 3H units being overall replacable these are the main things I kept in mind when doing my runs.
@@Rengor1997 Should I take my students following some synergy?
@@burstinatrixflames2506 You dont super need to, with the exception of siege tome dancer strats, where you explicitly want to do so. Otherwise its more important to just fill in some roles.
How come units like Dedue and Cyril are higher than Annette despite having worse one shot offenses? Having Lightning Axe come at C+ with a boon is pretty low cost, and she can stack her damage crazy high thanks to external stats (Mercedes adjutant/magic staff/Axes having ridiculous MT) and most enemies having non existent res. Hitting magic avoid instead of regular avoid is also really useful, especially against stuff like assassins in bushes.
Way I see it you can just recruit someone like Leonie as an authority bot if you’re worried about lost authority.
What do you mean, Dedue and Cyril get vengeance lol, making them up there with the most consistent one shotters in the game lol
@@mvjbass9561 I'm saying she one shots more consistently while having more utility
@@aymanmz But she doesn't one shot more consistently.
@@mvjbass9561 have you even read my comment?
Vengeance is per missing point of HP. Lightning axe is 0.7x magic I think (I know it isn’t 1x magic) not to mention for the average unit HP is their highest stat. For Cyril and dedue especially. Compare to Annette, who needs A rank axes to reach their combat art, not having enough stats to reasonably one shot unless you abuse monastery to an insane amount
In your opinion who is the best dancer?
He said marriane was the optimal dancer for the golden dear
Man, we have come a long way since day one. Remember when people thought Bernie was the worst archer in the game and Sylvain was mediocre? Lmao.
tbf bernie's not a very good archer
@@pointblankvt6780 Persecution Complex alone makes her better than Ashe tho
@@legendofsonic3979 u rite
she's not amazing but she's leagues better than ashe and ignatz despite their similarities in growths
People really thought Sylvain was mediocre? I can’t say I’ve ever heard that
Good tier list, esp considering 3h recruit wonkyness- I think you placed them all very well- now lets get 4 in house tier lists and a LARGE out of house comparative tier list KEK (jk don't do that)
please no I hate talking to myself
Assemble the funny men once more
Balthus isn't the best of the Grappler builds, that's clearly Hanneman.
I've never seen a fire emblem game before
Lucky bastard.
@@legendofsonic3979 Lucky?
@@Nubbletech I think we’d all give a lot to experience the games blind again.
Would you do it?
What would you... hmm?...What would any of you be willing to do? Hmm?
Would you sail to the end of the earth and beyond to fetch up without the memories of the games to start of blind again?
@@Nubbletech h
**Hihg** is my favourite tier
Great list, definitely the most knowledgeable tier list on 3H I've seen. I think Yuri could stand to be ranked higher, similar to the role you discussed for Felix he can work really well as a brawler in my experience, since his stats are similarly good, his passive provides increased damage and he has a much easier time reaching high authority ranks. The main thing holding him back is his Axe bane, but qualifying for Brigand really isn't too difficult despite that.
Grappler is his best class for sure, he just doesn’t fit into it as easily as Felix does, and has a weaker early game (admittedly not by much, Yuri has a really good early game with Windsweep, high speed, and high base authority). Felix definitely pulls ahead in terms of damage output, so Yuri ends up being a discount version of him with access to higher level battalions.
@@zunkgrass2341 also Felix has an actually useful crest whose damage early game outclasses wind sweeping, 15% strength growth and an inate bow boon which means slightly faster hit+20, not to mention his only boon that matters can still be trained easily by giving em batallions.
I think Sylvain having ruined sky is so underrated, being able to one shot enemies as early as chapter 5 is crazy, same thing goes for Hilda to a lesser extent. Cyril has something similar, if you recruit him as early as possible he will be around the level of the rest of your units and is only half a rank away from point-blank volley which, when paired with a steel bow+, makes him one of the first units who's able to one-round reliably, his early game is crazy and after getting him vengeance he can focus on becoming a Wyvern making his constant offensive presence amazing all the way through to end game which is when Dedue finally shines. Cyril's ease of use is also something i value a lot and honestly it's not mentioned enough.
One hit killing units early isn't as small of a niche as you might think. Any character that has 7+ defense on the chapter 2 mandatory aux battle can equip the +3 defense battalion and a iron shield with a broken weapon can grind weapon and authority ability. Any unit with a broken combat art and 7+ defense can get it in chapter 2 (Dedue, Leonie, out of house Sylvain +)
Dedue's early game is insane. His great bulk is what makes blue lion the best house for the early game. On offense his vengeance is as early as cyril. I actually find Dedue's late game to be quite lacking since vengeance really need mobility to shine which both cyril and bernie do better.
@@zachm9964who wants to spend a long time just pressing end turn though? I dislike the concept of “efficient play” but I’m not gonna grind, if I wanted to do that I’d play Normal mode.
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Did you ever hear the tragedy of Holy Knight Bernadetta The Woke? I thought not. It's not a story the Casuals would tell you. It's an insanity legend. Holy Knight Bernadetta was a level 30 unit of the Empire, so powerful and so wise she could use her Vengeance to influence the HP bars to OHKO everything… She had such a knowledge of the memes that with Rescue she could even keep the ones she cared about from dying. The SOYO side of the Meta is a pathway to many strategies some consider to be unnatural. She became so powerful… the only thing she was afraid of was losing her power, which eventually, of course, she did. Unfortunately, she taught Dark Bishop Caspar everything she knew, then Caspar killed her in her sleep. Ironic. She could save others from death, but not herself.
One under mentioned thing that I do think helps alot toward Edelgard being the best unit is access to crest of flames. Yes it doesn't always proc but just makes it more likely she will survive things others won't. Survivabilty tends to get underrated at times and I think it is more of a thing here given monsters and stuff exist so not everything can be oneshot.
i may have trauma from CoF ruining defiant crit
@@Rengor1997 yeah probably not the best combo there lol.
it might mess with a couple skills here and there but I still think its more of boon than anything in general. I just think very highly of it personally.
@@Sovietmass tbf it WAS actually considered but after all the talking it just slipped my mind to say
@@Rengor1997 do you think devil axe could counteract that, with wrath + defiant crit maybe
@@Rengor1997 Indeed lmao I was trying to skip the final chapter and then that thing randomly procs and ruin my Defiant crit and Avoid....
22:26 Hey, Rengor. Bernadetta can be made bulky at relatively low cost. I recently uploaded a guide on the step-by-step process on how to make any TWO units to be very bulky and give them early access to Weight-5, all without spending too many resources (you only need Instruction for one Chapter, and one auxiliary battle). Of course, for the results to be possible on Bernadetta at this near-zero cost, you need to play a Black Eagles route (the method I describe only works on units that are in your team at the start of Chapter 2). So, in 2/4 routes, Bernadetta can be made into a bulky frontline unit. While I haven't personally used this method on Bernadetta yet, my guess is that it would help her to spam Vengeance much more easily and safely.
I saw.
Didnt comment on it but basically you're still significantly wasting resources on it by diverting goal and instruct WEXP, esp since with a double bane WEXP gain slows to a crawl and bernadetta both doesnt need it and it'd be a waste of the limited supply of Intermediate Seals you have till ch 8.
Armor Knight on mages just diverts WEXP training for no real gain.
@@Rengor1997 Yeah, there's a cost on WExp from Goals for five chapters. It translates into delaying some gains, like Lysithea's Dark Spikes or Warp (I couldn't get the former before Chapter 4, but got both before Chapter 6 mission). But at least it doesn't affect other units' training, since no Instruction points are diverted into the Armor training, and the Instruction for Axes is just for one chapter (with two sessions) on two units. Since it's possible to be Prof. Level C+ at that time, you have 5 Instruction points per lecture day. And if the chosen units were already going to take two of those points anyways, then it still doesn't affect the other units.
But yeah, you're right in that there is a cost. I say it's a trade-off: You exchange delaying some gains (like super early Dark Spikes) for the long-term effect of increased bulk that opens up Enemy Phase opportunities. And as for the Intermediate seals: I personally didn't have a problem with those. I still certified all the units in my team into their conventional Intermediate classes on a timely manner. Although I don't remember if I recruited any students (besides Hapi) before Chapter 6, and the money from DLC auxiliary battles is probably what let me buy all the seals as they were added to the market each month (even while doing just one day of Battles per month). Finally, the banes don't really matter with this technique. Units like Lysithea (who also has a double bane) can still reach the D+ rank in Axes and D rank in Armor regardless of the bane, just with the steps from the guide. During the farming session, they can still reach Rank A+ in Armor (even if they have a bane and lack Mastermind, like Marianne) and more than B rank in Axes. The bane is not relevant after that, since they won't be training those ranks any longer. Even for a physical unit, the Axe bane is a non-factor for both the process and the result. For example, Bernie can just give up on using Axes and just focus on Lances and Bows as her weapons of use. But the farmed Axe ranks open the option of certifying her as a Brigand (for Death Blow) and as a Wyvern Rider (as an intermediate step before Falcon Kinght), as well as a Fortress Knight for the extra stats.
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I still think the technique I showcased is useful in some units (not necessarily for all). For example, I used it on both Lysithea and Marianne. Lysithea was able to become the kind of unit I described in the intro of the video (being able to do enemy-phase Nosferatu tanking while killing many enemy types and also becoming able to double most enemies on player phase is amazing), but Marianne didn't get to do much with that power because I still mainly used her as a hit-and-run ranged Canto unit. I think Ignatz could have made a better use of this than Marianne. While I haven't done this myself, I think that applying this on Ignatz lets you take him down this path: After the farming on the second weekend of Chapter 6, he already has access to these Intermediate classes: Brigand, Armored Knight, and Archer if you trained him in Bows, and has the ranks to certify into Warrior and Fortress Knight once he reaches Level 20. With Warrior, he gets the innate Axe Crit+10, with the potential of having another one if he attained rank S during the farming session. With Fraldarius Soldiers, Killer Axe+, and Smash (on Player Phase, if needed) he can already start stacking very high amounts of Crit. And he also has access to Battalion Vantage, so once it is set-up, he can get high Crit on both phases, even if Wrath isn't equipped or active. And as to how War Master can be attained: I think it would be either a matter of setting it as a goal between the point he becomes a Warrior (around Chapter 8) to the point where he becomes level 30 (shortly after timeskip), or making Ignatz be the deployed unit on the farming day so he can farm both Axes and some Brawling ranks (no need to farm Swords, since he wouldn't bring a Levin Sword to that battle).
In other routes, I think good candidates would be as follows:
Black Eagles could be Bernie, Caspar, and maybe Hubert. I don't include the other mages here because Dorothea is most likely a dancer and Linhardt is basically just a utility unit. Bernie could make good use of this if turned into a melee flier (she can become a Wyvern Rider thanks to the farmed Axe ranks, and then go into Falcon Knight for Lancefaire). Of course, Bow Bernie would fall in the same case as Marianne, where a hit-and-run unit wouldn't make use of the added bulk and AS. Caspar could have an easier time spamming One-Two-Punch and Exhaustive Strike. And Hubert could take a similar role to Lysithea, although he would be chipped down by Thyrsus and he doesn't have utility options (and also lacks access to Gremory and the DLC magic classes).
In Blue Lions, I could see Annette, Ingrid and Ashe making some good use of it. Annette at least has an Axes boon, and she may even have an easier time being built as a non-magic unit (like a Wyvern user). Ashe is similar to Bernadetta, but not as good. Ingrid at least could gain some stats (mostly Str), but if she is built as a dodge-tank, then the extra bulk may not be all that relevant.
I don't think units who are already bulky may benefit too much from this, since they can reasonably reach 17 Def and Str around the time they become level 20 (17 Def may come shortly after). And as mentioned earlier, dodge tanks, hit-and-run, and utility units may not make use of this at all. So I think it is best done on units who are used mostly for fighting. Although of course, utility options are welcome. For example, Bulky Frontline Lysithea still has the flexibility of using Warp if the situation demands it. Same with Bulky Flier Bernie, who can still have Encloser equipped and a Bow in her inventory to use in situations that call for it. Although, War Master Critnatz may give up all his utility options in favor of the fearsome dual-phase high (guaranteed against many enemy types) crit build.
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Bernie can unironically help tank if her Hp is high enough. I’ve had her survive rounds with falcon knights but that was with 70 HP. She shouldn’t want to be tanky anyways because vengeance is harder to set up with tanky units. dedue for instance sometimes needs a mage to get him to 1hp with blessing/adjutant which can hurt his flexibility. Bernie meanwhile generally has enough HP to survive one hit. Base Bernadetta with prt stacking can actually live some of the poison bow archers on HBD with 2 health, which means base Bernadetta can commit a war crime on pallardo at base
Great video! I actually learn a lot from watching this video. The quality of information is great
On a quick note I think it is sort of unfair to point out that Dimitri has worse crit potential than Edelgard early game based solely on the luck stat. If you add dex+luck, as does the crit formula, you will find that dimitri has at base dex7+luck5, whereas Edelgard has D5+L5. Additionally, if you take into account growths they have exactly the same potential for crits if we exclude things like class abilities (Dimitri has dex50+luck25 whereas Edelgard has dex45+luck30).
Again, I can't emphasize enough how well research this video is. Great job!
The crit wasn't being compared against edelgard, it was compared against 100% crit rate, which with a wrath/vantage setup meant to do as much as Dimitri's you really want.
@@Rengor1997 oh I see, my bad dude. You are a sage!. But does dimitri have trouble reaching 100% crit with lances or with all weapons?. Because I would think that he using the wo dao or the cursed sword (forgot the name) + battalion, habilities and other shenanigans would be more than enough (?)
The issue there is that you're wasting even more WEXP on sword training when going for A auth alrdy puts a strain on him and none of the sword classes are good - SM gives +10 sword crit but you're locked to glorious 5 mov. So overall it's better to go with Lances anyway.
somehow this tier list is kinda similar with my fe3h husbando/waifu tier list.
There might be some bias going on🤔
I wish 3h had one unit of each gender that can get one of the other gender's classes. I.E. dark bishop lysithea, gremory linhardt, that kind of thing.
Grappler Cat
Falcon Knight Dimitri
Or just remove gender locks entirely :)
@@self-sustainedauto-canibal6207 dimitri is good enough already, imagine the avoid you would have with falcon knight ferdinand
Rengor: I’m going to put my foot in my mouth
also Rengor: Lysithea is our favourite diarrhea person
He kept his promise, can’t blame him for that.
smh u didn't talk about lightning axe wyvern lord annette the best unit in the game
On a serious note, I still don't really understand the case for Balthus. His stats aren't even that good; he gets doubled by pretty much everyone when I've used him, and while his defenses are good, I find his hp difficult to manage. He wants to be below half hp AND on enemy phase, which is a headache when he doesn't tink enemies. Once he gets into grappler his speed issues get ok but regardless, I've never really understood the hype.
If you use his personal then his strength stat can rival Felix, El & Dimitri(depending on their set up, stat booster etc.obviously). He does have the worst crit growth in the game.
I'm going to try the build next play through but I never understood why people talk about wyvern lord Annet, she can use lightning ax in dark knight just fine and wyvern lord has a negative magic growth. But again I'll try it because maybe I'm missing something, she better one shot hegemon El or I'm gonna be disappointed that I have been lied to.
@@self-sustainedauto-canibal6207 the way I see it, if you need to be at low hp to do battle with enemies, you have to be able to oneshot them. Balthus can do that with fierce iron fist I guess, but it takes a while to get him there. Maybe I need to replay the game but I remember his early game being very situational.
His HP is actually super easy to manage because he can drain enemy HP with his Crest of Chevalier (heals with Combat Arts) and Draining Blow to basically get back any HP he lost in a fight with the mob of enemies you sent him into and repeat the process all over. Sticking a strong Shield and high-Protection Battalion on him makes him almost functionally invincible.
@@cartooncritic7045 interesting, thanks for the tip. When/ if I replay 3h, I'll definitely take that into consideration
@@cartooncritic7045Ewww, Balty with full health. He gets 6 (or something like that) STR & DEF when he has
Hello Rengor1997, I want to build Petra who is good at both player and enemy phases with Vatage, Defiant Crit, Death Blow, and Hit+20. What class and fifth ability would you recommend (without considering time to master class or raise skill)?
Replace Death Blow with Str+2 and add the Prowess skill of the weapon type you're using, probably Axes. If ranks REALLY arent a problem, replace str+2 with axefaire
@@Rengor1997 Thank you very much
Agree with pretty much everything but I think marianne could be even higher. Like when your main healer can also one shot most enemies in the game with frozen lance. I think she does so much more than mercedes to only be ranked 3 spots higher than her.
-imo the best character in the game at killing sword units (uncanny blow+frozen lance)
-amazing heals
-physic by chapter 2
-versatility to become valkyrie, dark flier, mortal savant, Gregory, dark knight, holy knight or even just bishop
-thoron
-ridiculously high crit rates
-top 3 dancer in the game (best in GD)
-also she is super cute so extra points
yeah, definitely the most versatile mage in the game, without question.
could falcon knight bernie work if you had someone carry blessing instead of using a guard adjutant?
Absolutely, but you'll be sacrificing her range as opposed to BK and making her into basically a Swift Strikes unit copy. Which of course still results in a great unit, it's just a waste of potential IMO. But Falco is definitely one of her best builds.
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Shamir is just perfect
But yeah Dimitri and Edelgard are easily the best. I think Dimitri with investment is quite a lot better IMO but Edelgard just needs death blow and then put her in a flier class and gg. Also since BE has so many kill boss maps her combat art is just god-like.
Felix is way overrated. His combat art disappears in the mid game, he doesn't have a personal brave combat art, he's a man so no darting blow or mid game flying, and his authority bane makes it harder for him to use good battalions. Alois is a superior late game gauntlet user. Felix probably belongs in low mid tier or high low tier.
Is this a joke? Effectively 15 base strength with his personal, 55% strength and speed growths, +5 damage crest with a 40% proc rate, brawling boon for a dodge tank build. If you really don't want to raise his authority just give him the E rank jeralt mercs for 15 avo and 10 crit.
@@p0oka261 I won't disagree that he has a good early game but his personal is a double edged sword. his speed doesn't matter to much because he won't be fast enough to double most enemies on maddening since he can't get darting blow. his crest also falls off in usefulness as the game starts to focus more on combat arts and gambits. the best way to use him is to take advantage of his good early game and then transition him into becoming a guard adjutant.
why no dedue review?
EDIT: I'm 100% new to FE(3houses first FE game ever) and trying to learn. I'm trying my first playthrough to be Blue lions, no recruit, and I don't have access to NG+ on Mad.
He's bundled with Bernadetta and Cyril at 20:15
@@Rengor1997 Thank you so much, I didn't see that. If I may ask, what did you mean getting wrath/vantage(the regular ones) on Dedue? Did you mean the battalion wrath/vantage from hero or actually going Hero, then switching to warrior? Sorry for the dumb questions like I says I'm new.
@@exiled68 I mean mastering Vantage from Mercenary and Wrath from Warrior so he doesnt have to set up the battalion versions and just run em in War Master, as combined with Vengeance they synergize really well.
example build: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596005726292279348/876499031235366952/Dedue_War_Master.jpg
EDIT: btw consider recruiting 3 characters that dont appear as enemies on BL as otherwise you have 12 characters, where the max deployment is 12 + 3 adjutants.
Diarrhea.... I seriously blurted laughing, lol
Jeritza is God tier because he's the only attractive male byleth s support... 😶
nah dont diss my boy Linhardt like that - his S support art is really good and not terrifying lol
Quick question, who's the best dancer? I thought it might be Dorothea for the meteor support.
I agree with literally everything, and i'm glad that finally someone appreciate Vengeance combat art.
Excellent tier list, New sub :)
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Ah yes, best Golden Deer girl Lysithea being top tier. Perfection.
Also, best girl and waifu Ingrid BETTER be top tier.>:(
Can you elaborate on why you think Shamir > Bernadetta?
Am not rengor but, Shamir has EP, needs zero investment, has a combat art that requires zero setup, is a prepromote with good growths and even better bases. Bernie has lackluster stats and without vengeance she wouldn’t be BAD but she’d be significantly worse. And even with vengeance if she misses she dies. Shamir can one round, chip, and reasonably reach crit+10 on bows so she can shred monster health bars with killer bow hunters volley
@@joho4430 Can you also explain why Bernie and Shamir are higher than Claude? I'm just curious because I thought Claude was definitely top 3 along with Edelgard and Dimitri. I at least expect him to best the best bow character.
@@Alexander-dw3jw Claude lacks long range CAs and Wind God is basically a better Deadeye which takes a bit of time to get. Shamir and Bernie can reliably one shot enemies with Vengeance and HV as early as chapter 4 for Bernie and chapter 6 or 7 for Shamir.
This is a good list; you pretty much explain without going over the top about just one OP ability (although without RS, A, and FS I wonder if you'd reshuffle the lords?). I focus more on main party usage and Chapter cheese (13), so I'd raise Ashe to Low and lower Shamir and Bernadetta to High. I mean logically that should mean Lysithea to High also in AM and SS but her spell list is just too superior. When I think about main party in my experience I've never had a good Anna, Manuela, Hanneman, or Cyril that wasn't outclassed in their role by somebody else. Everybody else on this list had at least multiple maps where I was 100% glad I had them and didn't regret benching those (yes, even Flayn). I could see how Wyvern Lord Army players would disagree with me however XD
-Atrocity is honestly so useless Id rather just give the lance to Seteth and use Swift Strikes. With relic CAs the only relevant ones are Raging Storm and Sublime Heaven, so the lords lacking em might only mean Edelgard could debatably fall below Dimitri but its still debatable.
-I dont get how "main party usage" hampers Bernadetta given her best showing is the BE routes where u cant get early Catherine or Cyril so her power is even more appreciated + her lategame versatility. Same with Shamir, no matter the route she great.
-I wanna know how tf Cyril is useless when he can literally ORKO ch 5 enemies not named Miklan at base. Even in SS hes good once ch 14 hits, as shown in my SS 0%. So this one is a definite case of "gud git".
@@Rengor1997 - I found 15mt and 20hit for 4 + effective vs all wasn't 'useless', but then again I wasn't going into every map to Dimitri solo with the combo so I guess shame on me for not exploiting -When I mentioned main party I also mentioned C13 specifically and Bern's SS entry point nullifies any advantages she has since you would have the map under control by that time already; that's why I give Ashe a little bit more credit there since w/his spawn location in AM if he is one-rounding he is putting in work when you do need it. Of course would be different if you could have Shamir avail there but you don't and availability factors in for me. Perhaps too specific a guideline on my part but C13 early rounds on maddening AM/VM/SS are more dependent on your builds than almost anything else in Part 2 and I have to weigh that accordingly. -Who said Cyril was useless? I did say I just never had a run where he was better enough in skillset or utility to bench someone else in favor of him. Maybe all mine just got rng screwed I dunno.
wow dedue high tier.
I like the analysis. Always awesome to hear different perspectives, especially from people who's skills are incredible. The DLC characters were not used in the LTC with Mekkah makes the placement of Balthus wowzer. Maybe I missed the statement, but is this for efficiency or pure LTC like your playthrough voiced by Mekkah?
1 - I did not make the AM LTC.
2 - this is moreso for just regular play rather than anythung focused on turn count.
Do you think Shamir can perform well as a Falcon Knight?
It'd work but overall it'd be a massive waste of potential as you're giving up on her A bows and fastest HV Mastery for something basically all phys female units can do.
@@Rengor1997 Got it, do you recommend to master other classes (Brigand, Pegasus, Archer) or something like that? Any mandatory ability?
@@DaveCynik For Sniper Shamir the mandatory mastery is well, Sniper, but if you have time then Death Blow/Hit+20 help. Str +2 would help too but that's trying too hard in a regular run tbh.
@@Rengor1997 What do you think about Darting Blow? Sorry for asking too much 😅
@@DaveCynik For Sniper shamir it's completely unnecessary as you're just spamming Hunter's Volley all day long.
I don't think you should be so negative. You have good ideas, and cogent analysis. Don't sell yourself short to be ironic.
I don't think of it of negativity. To me it comes off as humorous. Similar to Professor Bopper who is a FETuber, self deprecating humor or dark humor is very funny since Rengor executes it well
Only came here to listen to you praise best girl Edelgard
Not an issue with the placement, but I think it's weird to mention availability between routes as a perk for Bernadetta relative to Dedue. If that's a factor for route specific units, Dmitri and Edelgard are certainly rated too highly.
It wasn't a deciding factor, it ultimately came down to the long range and additional utility bernie brings to the table without missing out on 3 maps. Edelgard and Dimitri are so centralizing that multiroute avail doesnt rly matter.
@@Rengor1997 My point came across poorly, and my comment made a lot more sense in my head, but that makes sense to me. Thanks for the clarification.
Thank you for the tier list. The best one I have seen. What is ideal team size for maddening new game?
Byleth + 9, then add Seteth or Jeritza depending on route as the party size expands as soon as they join. When the game allows a 12th member, add a utility unit
@@Rengor1997 hi, ik this is late lol, but what would you consider a utility unit that isn't essential on every map - basically who makes good 12th unit fodder?
@@samthomas7253 Physic, rallies, warp/rescue, using some utility gambit, having repositional CAs
man I've been playing this game all wrong
Can't really play a game wrong if you're having fun.
@@Nubbletech instructions clear.
Been logging on every day to fish in 3h and then log out.
Plot? Strategy? What are those.
@@Rengor1997 If that is the way you would like to play and you enjoy that, why not? Although I have the subtle feeling that this comment is maybe a little made up.
How do you consistently keep a battalion wrath setup active when you're using vengeance and vantage? You need to take damage to get low HP but that reduces your battalion? Are you just meant to wear down the battalion in an auxiliary battle or do you use a devil axe or something for self damage? Im using bernie and just hit time skip so I want to know
Devil Axe doesnt work for this as only direct damage or monster AoE deplete durability. Essentially it's a shift of mentality from just mindlessly replenishing battalions every single time to choosing ones to not deplete and have ready. So having a stockpile and strategically saving up durability helps. A useful trick is that a battalion cant fall past 1/3rd without stopping at it, so a 21/60 battalion can be used to drop to 1 HP and still have 20/60.
@@Rengor1997 I more meant with the HP, in order to drop to vantage and vengeance range you'll need to take a bit of damage so do you just replenish it occasionally and let bernie get hit in an auxiliary battle or is there a trick that I'm not getting. I generally only run dmitri with both battalion versions or a dodge tank with battalion wrath so I'm not that familiar
Dedude is not supposed to take damage, he is the one who takes no daage with Pavise and a good shield and claps everyone who dares to approach him. Dimitri also already uses lances, so what's the deal with Vengeance?
It's significantly easier to spec him towards Vantage Wrath Vengeance than it is to have him survive part 2 maddening as a PRT tank, especially given the proliferation of magic users. You can't take damage in the first place if you just yeet the enemy before they have a chance.
And "Dimitri already uses lances" is an incredibly weak argument because exactly what does that mean for the team? Most wyverns use axes anyway so should I include a sword user "for variety" even when swords are significantly worse overall?
An example build of WM Dedue by a friend: cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591703561516089353/899394815756763166/Dedue_War_Master.jpg
@@Rengor1997 I only played AM on hard and he was my best unit together with Petra as an assassin. Dimitri was arguably my worst unit tho, fucking hated that guy. I also don't get what you have against swords - the Wo Dao+ crits basically every time and I kill everything with it.
@@Rengor1997 I also dislike it thematically giving him a lance. Its the signatire weapon of Dimitri and Dedude is the guy who does the heavy lifting and heavy hitting which is why I made him a Warmaster. Fits thematically way better imo.
@@mekudu-man3804 if you like it because its thematic, good for you, but swords are objectively worse
@@avet4952 dunno man, critting every turn is pretty good and they are cheap to build/to repair as well.
Edelgard is an insane unit but also a terrible person. Trauma doesn't justify war.
Trauma also doesn't justify perpetuating suffering or blindly lashing out but hey who's counting right.
Violence is never the answer. It is a question, and the answer is "yes".
Claude is most based as usual