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  • @davidp2888
    @davidp2888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    I've spent more time on an OR table as a patient than I care to discuss (34 procedures over 54 years). Thanks for making these informative and really interesting videos, Shane.

  • @funmilayo.a9895
    @funmilayo.a9895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am a Nurse Educator, and I have been using your videos for our new Nurses in the OR. I just want to say your videos are so helpful and informative; better than the AORN videos. Certainly, not boring! I have watched a lot of videos, many are quite far from standard practice but your videos are pretty much the standard practice and straight forward. Thank you so much.

  • @mynattimynatti4139
    @mynattimynatti4139 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Definitely needed this and its funny that my class is having a test on this Tuesday

  • @DrAdnan
    @DrAdnan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I remember helping the nurses, techs, and anesthesiologists set up on obgyn. Nice video!

  • @kjsworld4920
    @kjsworld4920 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was very informative for a 1st time surgery patient. Thank you.

  • @amandadewitt1238
    @amandadewitt1238 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I just had my positioning test this morning 😂

  • @scottgranger5862
    @scottgranger5862 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    perfect timing. going over this in med term now. I know when I had an ortho operation, I was in a or designated specifically for ortho procedures. I can definetly talk about arm placement. I had an injury to my right index finger in which both my tendons were sliced and needed to be repaired. It was like a two-hour procedure in which both my arms were extended. my right arm obviously because that was the arm they were working one and my left arm because of the iv placement.My first iv actually had to be replaced because it came out due to poor placement. I came out of surgery with a huge cast, two bruises from the ivs and a large scar that extends my whole finger. luckily she decided not to do exploratory surgery to locate the second tendon and just ket it die off or I would have a scar extending my whole palm.

  • @panagvang1888
    @panagvang1888 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    New grad OR nurse here...your videos are super helpful 😢 thank you!

  • @AMR2125
    @AMR2125 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for these videos! They are so informative! Can you post a video of books that are needed for the schooling?

  • @Whit-09
    @Whit-09 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thanks to your videos I finally decided I’m going for surgical tech! You’re an inspiration and great professional. Again, thanks for your vids

  • @adrianoliva7919
    @adrianoliva7919 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Bro I'm so glad you posted again

  • @Kristonia69
    @Kristonia69 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just got accepted into the program at my alma mater!! Thanks for making these vids. I'm sure they will be of great importance this coming fall. What really pushed me was seeing a wrench that was cut from around a man's penis. The surgery nurse who dropped it off to me in the lab was just as shocked as I was. I was more than shocked though, I was inspired.

  • @dianaflores4070
    @dianaflores4070 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks very helpful 😊
    Currently in a surgical technology program in NC

  • @hannahghoul7889
    @hannahghoul7889 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im currently finishing my prereq courses for my surg tech program and i have to write a paper in my psychology class asking current surg tech questions about the job. If you could please take some time to answer these few questions id greatly appreciate your input.
    1. What was the most stressful or challenging surgery in which you participated? How did you cope with the stress?

-How do you manage your stress
    -Does having routines help with stress?
    -Do you have any type of routine before or after a case?
    1. If you have a disagreement with a surgeon or another staff member, how do you handle it?
    
-Have you ever been in a situation where because you were 'lower' then someone, that you didn’t feel like you were being heard? If so how did you resolve it. 


    1. How do you deal with people from other cultures or who shared different values/ views then you?
    -Have you ever dealt with or experienced prejudice in your workplace, whether that be with a coworker or patient.

  • @chaircatsup5832
    @chaircatsup5832 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I just want to let you know that you're a great help to my education, I've yet to experience being on the field due to the pandemic but your videos give me a sneak peek at what it's like. So thank you!
    Edit: I just found out my professors use your videos as a reference as well, so congrats! expect more views from students from my university this semester. lol

  • @RobMBG
    @RobMBG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks Bud. I loved the beginning it looked like the table was doing the robot! Lol. Thanks for the good content.

  • @lorifrederick2367
    @lorifrederick2367 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thanks for another great video. Been on those beds conscious and unconscious. (Have had a lot of skin biopsies.) You're right, those beds are really comfy. Last one I had, I was in the lateral position, pillows tucked all around, waiting for frozen sections done on my arm and back. I almost fell asleep. Well a couple months ago, comes time to get a new mattress.....being really picky, told the hubby and salesperson that I wanted something like the bed in the OR. The looks they gave me....oy!

  • @Insightsofkalisha
    @Insightsofkalisha 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing. I am CST about 1 year now but I can’t find a job. Most places are looking for experience. Anyway I watch your videos to keep myself up to date

  • @ryanprince1890
    @ryanprince1890 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your videos! we watch them all the time in the surgical tech program I just started. Could you please do a video on pharmacology and intraoperative drugs?

  • @richardtirado7136
    @richardtirado7136 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks bro, i loved your videos. I am an OR RN and CNOR for 10 years.

  • @simonanyangu3674
    @simonanyangu3674 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Going for prac Next week, much important lecture🙏

  • @RebelRed
    @RebelRed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi not sure if this channel is still active but it’s a great resource! Would love to see a video on safe peri operative care of bariatric patients

  • @jessemee
    @jessemee 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m planning to be an OR nurse and your videos are so practical and informative! Thank you!

  • @sajahasan3789
    @sajahasan3789 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your videos are so helpful. I started my surgical tech program but I failed one of my classes 😢( I did pass the class with B- the school wants a B from me to pass), but Im going back in January to finish the program. I learned so much from your videos specially when they closed schools this year and I had to teach my self and learn everything. It was a good experience but I was upset because my teacher wasn't helpful as your videos. I wish you do videos of how to preparing for the test specially when English its my second language. Thank you again

    • @thedoggamer16
      @thedoggamer16 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      When you get surgery do they strap you in

  • @paulfelixokoth7927
    @paulfelixokoth7927 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i like your teaching and do enjoy your lesson

  • @ritaree4239
    @ritaree4239 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 "The More You Know" nailed it!💯

  • @sus3858
    @sus3858 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i had surgery this last tuesday and i was so surprised at how comfy the OR table was!

    • @sierraschoep1501
      @sierraschoep1501 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      really? bc whenever i have surgery its so uncomfortable. the table is just flat and hard.

  • @AsadKhan-lm6yr
    @AsadKhan-lm6yr 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your teaching style is excellent!!!!

  • @juvairiyapk8161
    @juvairiyapk8161 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really helpful.. Thnkzz for all your videos

  • @melissarainchild
    @melissarainchild 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Helped me tru my upcoming exams, thanks :)

  • @heatherthompson9938
    @heatherthompson9938 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    👋 thanks for sharing 👍 sometime I wake up sore the next day. I had back and side surgery.

  • @terriportie8641
    @terriportie8641 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good morning , thanks for another great video. 🤗

  • @juliawedrychowska262
    @juliawedrychowska262 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I forgot I was subscribed to you and I was so confused when I got the notification

  • @Trinity4me
    @Trinity4me 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Equipment placement in relation to the bed for different surgeries would be a great video!

    • @ccoop3774
      @ccoop3774 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's why the preference cards should be detailed and kept updated. You should be able to read that card and know where the anesthesia equipment, boom, bed, tables etc need to be.

    • @rapunzel39
      @rapunzel39 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      c coop With the advent of computerized preference cards, that is easier said than done. In my workplace, only the charge nurses can get into the program to make edits, and they don’t always get the job done, or get it right, even if you give them written, detailed instructions.

    • @ccoop3774
      @ccoop3774 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rapunzel39 That's how it was done where I worked. Any of us could make changes or corrections to the card. Then it was turned in to be formally changed. It's amazing the number of people that never bothered to make any changes to the cards. I mean the group that does, say, totals mostly. Then a couple of people out of that group go on vacation and all Hell breaks loose!

    • @rapunzel39
      @rapunzel39 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      c coop Do you remember the old “recipe cards” we used before computers changed everything? They were always written in pencil, and anyone could edit them. I once took a blank one, and, just for fun, made a preference card for myself. A few years ago, I found it, and had one of the gals in the office recreate it on her computer. She made me a stack of prints, which I use to make my own notes for big cases. I also give them out to the young students I precept...they love it!

    • @rapunzel39
      @rapunzel39 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh, and all hell would break loose if one of those old recipe cards got lost!

  • @maryc5905
    @maryc5905 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for making these videos!! They are so helpful. Could you possibly make a video on how to put on the OR table arms, setting up the egg armshell pads, etc? I know they are pretty basic tasks, but I find that I am always confused about this. I just started my surgery rotation, and would like to be better oriented with proper OR positioning! Thanks!

  • @تركيعلي-ل5ر
    @تركيعلي-ل5ر 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    amazing teacher

  • @Mnfacts9256
    @Mnfacts9256 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Bro !
    I am a medical student and your videos effective and Awesome. Please continue and post videos soon ..
    Also make a video about sutures
    Thank you .. 🌸

  • @kightremin
    @kightremin 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a very good channel, it needs more attention

  • @ghadeerabuyassen61
    @ghadeerabuyassen61 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you . Can you make a video about the most common medication in the operating room plz

  • @paigerideout6996
    @paigerideout6996 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks, Shane!

  • @terrancesampson5141
    @terrancesampson5141 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You always do a great job 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @wiccagoddess6022
    @wiccagoddess6022 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really well made video. Table looks interesting, I'd probably feel comfy. Never been on one yet. Maybe one day

  • @alimate1025
    @alimate1025 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great explanation keep up the good work

  • @Giulio1708
    @Giulio1708 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What about the CPR performed on a soft bed like that?
    I always saw "tables" in OR, not beds

    • @jeprox718
      @jeprox718 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All OR tables/beds are padded like that. It's not as soft as it looks and is actually way firmer than a hospital bed.

    • @Phoenixhunter157
      @Phoenixhunter157 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Giulio17 you put a backboard under the patient when doing cpr.

    • @Giulio1708
      @Giulio1708 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Phoenixhunter157 ​ I see, thank you. Here where I'm studying they're a bit different. They're padded, but pretty firm and hard. Maybe it's a different type we use or just the video showing them softer than they are

  • @adyo92
    @adyo92 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Hi Shane. I just started my clinicals for Surgical Tech at USC Keck in California. I'm considering moving to Henderson, NV after I graduate which will be in January. I was wondering if you knew the approximate starting pay rate for a newly graduated Surgical Tech over there. Also hoping you can give me a few pointers in places to apply for a job over there. Thank you!

  • @PolarRoller37
    @PolarRoller37 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi there. Another great video. I was wondering if you could do a video on cardiac pans/procedures and setup. I’m interested in joining a heart team and would like to see what the set up looks like. Thank you.

  • @croweater75
    @croweater75 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice one bud.... great heads up for newbies, well done

  • @clownfishocd6550
    @clownfishocd6550 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you!! for making these great teaching videos, they help me very much.

  • @papayaw5679
    @papayaw5679 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Job. For the lithotomy position, i believe it’s more convenient to remove the head piece of the bed and put it at the feet. So that when you put them in stirrups or in position, you have their 'butt' exactly where you want it at the edge of the bed. This helps the surgeon with easy access and same for anesthesiologist (so they don’t have to stretch their circuit to secure their airway). Thank you 👍🏾

  • @rolandkronqvist1034
    @rolandkronqvist1034 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    8:34 "Oooh, I can't believe I'm doing this!" :D

  • @nyakwezidiana5629
    @nyakwezidiana5629 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice presentation

  • @karlacharrez3712
    @karlacharrez3712 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How physically fit do you have to be to be a surgical tech ? I’m fairly small 5ft and I weight 100lbs and I’m not sure if I could be a st

  • @kfirie
    @kfirie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Question is all the positioning done when the patient is already under?

  • @HA-00
    @HA-00 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    PLEASE..... tell us more!! Love your videos!

  • @instantnowon
    @instantnowon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative.

  • @rapunzel39
    @rapunzel39 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very nice demonstration! Do your doctors ever use chest rolls for prone cases? I’m surprised they don’t use vac pacs, aka bean bags, for lateral position cases. Do they also utilize axillary rolls for lateral position?
    That’s a nice OR table! What brand is it, and what is the weight limit?

    • @ccoop3774
      @ccoop3774 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chest rolls are used. There are gel ones, foam ones, blankets, etc. It often depends on your crew on what you use. You learn the anesthesiologists and what each one prefers, same for the surgeon. Some docs don't want to be called back until it's time to cut and some are there to assist in positioning. We had a small chart in each OR suite stating each bed and their weight limit. I have had to push 2 beds together with a stirrup on each side for a patient. Oh, the bean bags. They're still used. It depends on the procedure. Sometimes the bean bag doesn't work and you have to use pillows, fowm and tape.

    • @rapunzel39
      @rapunzel39 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      c coop I understand. It is the same where I work now, and at every hospital I have worked in before. I’m just surprised bolsters and vac pacs weren’t included in this positioning overview. As for wanting to know the brand of table, our OR tends to replace tables every few years. They just replaced most of ours with a table that has huge wheels, and it’s nearly impossible to position the feet of the mayo stand under it to a point where you aren’t too close or too far away. It is also difficult to change out the table attachments.

    • @SurgicalTechTips
      @SurgicalTechTips  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      chest rolls or gel pads on the chest for all prone cases. The main thoracic Dr I work with stopped using bean bags b/c he felt they did more damage then good, we haven't had any issues with taping. We usually use silk tape . 2 strips across the hip between the ASIS and greater trochanter, 1 strip across the calf, and 1 strip across the shoulder going down the arm to the armboard. Wish I could snap a pic of it. He doesn't use a axe roll for his thoracic stuff, but will for hearts. I know our bed is Steris, the weight I believe is 600lbs max when the table is slid caudad all the way, and 1200lbs when centered...ill have to double check that though.

    • @rapunzel39
      @rapunzel39 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Surgical Tech Tips Thank you!

    • @ccoop3774
      @ccoop3774 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SurgicalTechTips We couldn't use the bean bag for XLIFs.we did place an axillary roll, lots of silk tape pillows and egg crate.

  • @armoredtoo1156
    @armoredtoo1156 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So helpful! Thank you!! 😀

  • @pragatikuchankar7603
    @pragatikuchankar7603 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thx it helped me a lot

  • @sotero5674
    @sotero5674 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ty for this! So helpful!

  • @msbananas4333
    @msbananas4333 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I see you havent been around much lately, but i had a video idea for you..
    I think a video on draping a microscope, Carm, and ultrasound and/or other probs would be very helpful!

    • @jeprox718
      @jeprox718 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I hate draping the microscope!!

  • @jaimee1399
    @jaimee1399 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative,thank u

  • @chanthao730
    @chanthao730 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do one on all the Ortho beds. Those can be tricky with all the attachments.

  • @johnzylali4002
    @johnzylali4002 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What position do you use for a brain surgery?

    • @jeprox718
      @jeprox718 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Supine, but there are special attachments to the bed that secure your head. The attachments depend on the type of brain surgery and the surgeon's preference. The two main bed attachments used for brain surgery are the Mayfield/Gardner skull clamp or the horseshoe headrest. Sometimes they just use a gel donut as a pillow.

  • @drzackhidig1360
    @drzackhidig1360 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m emergency surgeon resident , mostly I ask the nurse or anesthesiologists to help me positioning when ever I need a different position during the operation.

  • @frostrap
    @frostrap 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating information! Thanks for sharing.

  • @nicolebusse5734
    @nicolebusse5734 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    So my surgical tech classmates and I have a huge request for you! We LOVE your videos and are all feeling very overwhelmed right now learning all the different things we have to do before we even get into the surgery (we’re not quite half way through our 2 year program). Do you have a video of the ENTIRE process of scrubbing, setting up, and prepping the patient? If not, would you consider making one for all us students? It’s hard to learn the pieces of the process but not see it all put together yet so it flows and makes sense to us. Oh and thank you for making such great content!

    • @barsdogukankarakoyun8798
      @barsdogukankarakoyun8798 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i think he had a prep. series like scrubbing, opening tables, counting, gowning etc. but not in a one single video like you said

  • @Deklein2ft
    @Deklein2ft 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With so much spine surgery and the use of Mayfield Bed, please do a video on turning a patient & Neuro-surgical Sensing got to the point

  • @juansantiago9786
    @juansantiago9786 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for doing these videos!

  • @AnaSanchez-mi2eb
    @AnaSanchez-mi2eb 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you 😊Very Educational 👍👍

  • @ianshelton6662
    @ianshelton6662 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do a video of the Anaesthetic machine please!

  • @Tker1970
    @Tker1970 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a TT and neck dissection last month. Read the surgical notes after. They set me up then rotated the table 180 degrees. Didn't understand why they just didn't start that way.

  • @jarrettpelkey1127
    @jarrettpelkey1127 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicely done

  • @gostx6
    @gostx6 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Shane! I love you videos! Do you have any tips for building a resume and what types of things you should put on it? I’m not sure if I’m putting the right stuff on mine, thanks and hope to hear back from you! (:

  • @petesoebekti2022
    @petesoebekti2022 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    happy new year to you Shane and your family i hope you guys have a wonderful new year :)

  • @kamerondiaz9192
    @kamerondiaz9192 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you ever used Anki? If so what was your experience?

  • @BrawlFreak786
    @BrawlFreak786 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    had a nose surgery recently probably in the supine position

  • @melissasullivan5899
    @melissasullivan5899 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another excellent lesson! Thank you.

  • @Hfgdksue7
    @Hfgdksue7 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hope you upload a new video soon, love your channel!

  • @IAMdevilwomen
    @IAMdevilwomen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    interesting! I go in for ulnar nerve transposition on the 19th of this month...am scared to death, surgery doesn't scare me, but getting into the or sets off a panic attack, and when they put the mask on my face it triggers a anxiety attack so bad my bp goes haywire

  • @areebsaqib811
    @areebsaqib811 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks man ❤

  • @sajidparvez2659
    @sajidparvez2659 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very much informative 👍

  • @alibahari9519
    @alibahari9519 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    that was great! keep going dude...

  • @alibahari9519
    @alibahari9519 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    that was really practical and intresting ... thank by the vay...

  • @knutritter461
    @knutritter461 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was very happy during my surgery that I got TIVA in supine position BEFORE I was put into lithotomy position. For the girls you do now that position very well. For me as a male it feels VERY awkward and degrading. I had been way more afraid about being put into this position while being conscious than I was afraid about the surgery itself. So now I do know it's not nice for you, too.

  • @valentin3690
    @valentin3690 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you show us the different OR tables? :)

  • @DeeDgaf09
    @DeeDgaf09 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello! Can you do a video on working with trauma/what exactly do they do. My professor mentioned working for trauma as a CST and it confused me. Can a CST work on certain specialties?

  • @janicepamute7420
    @janicepamute7420 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you sir

  • @edgar309lira79
    @edgar309lira79 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We are starting to set up minor and major back tables. Help please

    • @TheLibra926
      @TheLibra926 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any tips on what to study first..i will start in August at an accredited school

  • @michelleesposito4884
    @michelleesposito4884 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you for the video :)

  • @alekop8414
    @alekop8414 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Image RN walks in and catches you doing lithotomy position. It would be end of your TH-cam videos.

  • @ryanmcvey2295
    @ryanmcvey2295 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shane great job!

  • @zuesdelrey4348
    @zuesdelrey4348 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What are your thoughts on Public Colleges vs Private Career Colleges?

  • @cskiles318
    @cskiles318 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @abhishekupadhyay7400
    @abhishekupadhyay7400 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you sir it is of a great help 👌👍

  • @pennyreinmuth9249
    @pennyreinmuth9249 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I will be graduating the 19th Dec. Not sure I'm going to find a job as ST right off. If I take a job doing something else, how will I remember procedures and sterile technique in the OR? Your videos are awesome and I have watched almost all of them. Thank you

  • @farhiyodahir6061
    @farhiyodahir6061 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks alot

  • @j_marie._
    @j_marie._ 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice hoist onto the OR table lol

  • @brandiembry5751
    @brandiembry5751 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does one go about becoming a first assist if you don’t live near any of the program institutions?

  • @immaculavilson-paul8181
    @immaculavilson-paul8181 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great. Tips ,thank you.

  • @Pionike
    @Pionike 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How to the cpr on those soft squishy bed?

    • @jeprox718
      @jeprox718 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The padding on OR beds is not as soft as they look and very firm. The closest thing I can compare them to are the kicking bags they use in martial arts. We've done plenty of successful CPR on OR tables.