Great video! I remember, when I first started playing ONI a long time ago and didn't know anything about the game, I freaked out cause my clean water tank was swarming with germs. So I got thinking to myself and said "How do you get rid of germs IRL? Of course, you boil it!" So, past me went about doing essentially the same thing you did this episode, except for one key difference. I didn't know what a liquid tepidizer was, or how to use geothermal power, or anything like that, so I heated up the water with the only thing I knew produced heat..... Space heaters. Yes, I simply surrounded my water tank with far too many space heaters and thought to myself "This will work." Needless to say, it didn't, and your setup seems much better haha.
"It wouldn't have been symmetrical on the steam turbine and I started twitching", 😆 🤣 😂!! Got me rolling, sadly in part cause that's me too. There's something about ONI that made me think I'm OCD.
since the polluted water is not at a hot temperature, i would recommend building a countercurrent flow heat exchanger transferring heat from the turbine output to the polluted water input.
You have mentions in the past that liquids and tanks storing a liquid takes less time rendering and overall takes less power from your computer. One thing I have done from time to time just to expand a small water tank is stack the inside of of the tank with liquid tanks pulling from the bottom of the large tank going through all the smaller tanks before going where it needed to go. This also helps me prevent running into issue where I wont have enough liquid being pumped due to electrical demands/ supply demands so having these tanks also work as a good buffer throughout your whole system as well as removing the animations that have to be rendered for the liquid. Love the videos!
Great build! Really interesting to watch. You could use a Conveyor rail thermo sensor to only allow the igneous rock that is on the conveyor rails to be dropped out when its below a certain temperature, this could potentially stop the top left part from accumulating to much heat. I also like to sweep out the salt and dirt out to help with lag and aesthetics (I like it tidy), or at least condense them into one pile. You could also use a liquid valve on the polluted water amount down to 1000 g/s (doesnt change states) which means you could run the tube through the warm area to pre-heat it to above 100C , which would make it instantly evaporate when it comes out. It would reduce the efficiency, but make it easier with regards to polluted oxygen.
Oh how we change through our playthroughs. Only a few episodes ago it was "yes we could leave them an empty water cooler, but that's not how we treat our dupes round here", and now it's "finish that build off before you leave that lava hulk, nevermind the burns" lol
Well it definitely was a biiiiig project! But worth every second. I was interested in doing something like this too and I'm excited to give it a try now that you explained a lot! Awesome content 💖 keep it up!
@@MaxTheDragon While you are 100% correct, I'm going to disagree. Just because i believe in the K. The K is good enough. The K can be a capital if it wants to. The K is a strong, independent consonant that don't need no vowel to define it.
I think you could've gotten away with a much shorter pipe run for the aquatuner used for cooling the purification output. You could put the purification output into a small tank next to the aquatuner. The aqua tuner can cool that water down to 20C. Then, the small tank can have an open top which overflows into the big tank. Since you're adding nothing but 20C water to the big tank, you don't need any temperature control for the big tank.
interesting, some things : You do not need that huge room, a smaller works fine too. You can use less magma if you cycle the rock instead of duping on the top. You will need to control the pressure or you will end up with less and less steam. I made the same thing with 2 turbines and 1 aquatunner , my room is 12 wide and 9 tall, I use diamond sandwich with a steel door in the middle to deliver the heat, after the heat is done use a miner to drop the rock down and conveyer inside the steam room to cycle around more, finally add a sensor to send the rock out when is bellow 140C
This game would be the ideal game for cloud computing, where a ping of 200ms+ doesnt matter but the physics would be calculated by a beast of a server farm
I stick a steel door between the 2 visco gel locks as a precaution, if the inner lock breaks you have a chance it'll be OK assuming you pick it up fast enough which can be helped by a atmo sensor and one of the newish automation notifier thing-o's but I live life on the edge and haven't gone that far yet
Well, that's quite a huge building ))) and I can imagine how much time it took considering freezes and FPS )) respect! I would offer a small suggestion. Maybe a couple )) You could put a termosensor to the steam chamber to shut off water supply if the temperature would fall below 130 for example, just for in case if you'll run out of magma. Also conterflow for cold water coming into the purifier to safe some extra heat )) Love your style of speech )
I'm a little worry about the Mesh Tiles at the magma chamber eventually getting too hot and the magma won't solidify. I would instead replace the two insulated tiles with metal tiles and let the heat transfers into the steam chamber.
The almighty temperature shift plate has never failed me. I have done this method a few times and haven't seen any problems (yet). Good looking out though.
Does inhaling Food Poisoning germs cause food poisoning in duplicants? I believed that they could only eat it if they had food poisoning germs on their hands and eat food with them, or if the food has food poisoning.
I believe you are correct. My assumption is that the food poisoning germs in the oxygen spreads the germs to other equipment though, then the dupes touch the equipment... etc.
The rails are almost constantly being filled with new/hot igneous rock from the magma drip, they'd eventually fill a loop. Unless made with a temperature sensor that would eventually drop them as they cooled and make room for new. But it would really depend on the volcanoes active time/output if that much rail spaghetti would make that big of a difference. XD
There is a nother thing that came up on me but i wil test it before i can say for sure to you if iam urly home. If you put food in a sterille envorement helium to preffer then the stale buff already goes down. Then deep frees it so it is deep frozen and stop staling yoyr food. Then what happend if you take it out and put it in a vacume. Is it than stil gonna be stale or wil it stay so. So you can put it on a rocket in a vacuum lock like how it was and put is there in by a dupe whit a convayer loader. Or is the sterile buff then comming back. I wonder i wil let you know if you not already no it. Greatings
Wouldn't it be better to drip the polluted water in from the top? I notices it started collecting at the bottom which is when you got that one off gas. but dripping from the top it would pick up heat on the way down and flash once it hits bottom. kinda like the counter heat exchange with the petroleum boiler.
Could have gone with a steam turbine setup and heat spike into the bottom of the map. Drip everything on to the heat spike instant steam constant water coming in so no need to drip all the water back in send that to the main tank. all the conaminants come out on the heat spike plate. Autosweeper sends it to the storage 5000.
Okay wait wont this break due to running out of magma? If you think about a normal volcano tamer, most of them use about 3 steam turbines tops because that's the max a volcano can sustain. This volcano is currently running 6 with built up magma. Once the stored magma runs out you'll flood the device right?
How did you manage all the hot debris going to the item sorter and not anywhere else? I played with volcanos for the first time and they started putting rocks at 1200°c in my ranches wich did not go well...
I have had this problem before too. Some things I have done is lock the ranch doors until you have the rock cooled. You could also switch the hatches to eat something else for a bit until the rock cools down.
I had the same problem with my petroleum boiler in my last playthrough, so I dumped the hot igneous into a separate steam room on rails in a loop to cool it down to ~120-130C and make a small amount of power off it. I have a shipping rail temp sensor which turns on a shipping rail cutoff to drop the rock out when it gets cool enough. It drops into a pool of petroleum outside the steam room, which is cooled to 40C by an aquatuner in the steam room.
Echo just a question, I’m never really sure how many turbines to put down on the steam rooms with minor volcanos, what would you say would be the reasonable amount for one minor volcano ??
This is something that definitely comes with practice. Unfortunately it is not a black and white answer. It depends on the size and make up of the steam room, how the heat is being transported in, etc. I have a tutorial on some metal volcanos that may help a bit.
Hey i got a qeustion how many water do you get back from the steam turbine. Is it the same as heating the water till steam and cool it down again. And why not only whit aqautunners. Oh and of you wand to hold the steam pressure up above the 2 kilo per tile so pulluded water is not of gassing is it not safer to instal a pressure sensor so the steam turbines shit off if i come below the 2 kilo mark. Haha iam realy intrested in how it al gonna work out. Keep your head up and good luck.
I added an atmo sensor to keep the steam pressure up. A couple of changes I highlight in the next Let's Play vid. The conversion from steam to output water is 100%.
ngl, I feel like you have the "plant" vs "center" terminology switched, where the centralised solution you went with should be the "WP center", and each separate water purifier should've been a "WP Plant"
i can be wrong, but if u making coal from hatch farm, then it 2:1 ratio, so so when u convert ceramics to sand, u have ratio 1:1 and coal, wich is equal 50 kg of raw materials, wich u can crush to sand with ratio 1:1, si i think its not that profitable.
Goes to show how my style is so different from yours. I'd have just dumped all the water from a tank onto the volcano and let it just boil and dealt with it later. I'm a lazy player. I used your seed but it gave me a different asteroid, I went back and checked and the seed is the same, there must have been an update or something.
@@EchoRidgeGaming I'm just glad I had the confidence to play a more difficult run, thanks. Not playing on max difficulty, but one tick lower, really enjoying taking it slower 👌
Great video! I remember, when I first started playing ONI a long time ago and didn't know anything about the game, I freaked out cause my clean water tank was swarming with germs. So I got thinking to myself and said "How do you get rid of germs IRL? Of course, you boil it!" So, past me went about doing essentially the same thing you did this episode, except for one key difference. I didn't know what a liquid tepidizer was, or how to use geothermal power, or anything like that, so I heated up the water with the only thing I knew produced heat..... Space heaters. Yes, I simply surrounded my water tank with far too many space heaters and thought to myself "This will work." Needless to say, it didn't, and your setup seems much better haha.
Love this story and the journey we take as players.
"It wouldn't have been symmetrical on the steam turbine and I started twitching", 😆 🤣 😂!! Got me rolling, sadly in part cause that's me too. There's something about ONI that made me think I'm OCD.
Never in a million years would I think this would have been possible in ONI, Very well done!
since the polluted water is not at a hot temperature, i would recommend building a countercurrent flow heat exchanger transferring heat from the turbine output to the polluted water input.
Great idea. Going to try to work something like this in.
Echo: Sends dupe to insolate the bottom of a magma tank
Dupe: "IM BURNINGGG!!!!"
Echo: That sounds like personal problems.
I too am a member of the "Nope, it all has to move over" club. I brought snacks! 🍪😄
Tyfs! Hope you're having a good week.
You have mentions in the past that liquids and tanks storing a liquid takes less time rendering and overall takes less power from your computer. One thing I have done from time to time just to expand a small water tank is stack the inside of of the tank with liquid tanks pulling from the bottom of the large tank going through all the smaller tanks before going where it needed to go. This also helps me prevent running into issue where I wont have enough liquid being pumped due to electrical demands/ supply demands so having these tanks also work as a good buffer throughout your whole system as well as removing the animations that have to be rendered for the liquid. Love the videos!
Great build! Really interesting to watch. You could use a Conveyor rail thermo sensor to only allow the igneous rock that is on the conveyor rails to be dropped out when its below a certain temperature, this could potentially stop the top left part from accumulating to much heat. I also like to sweep out the salt and dirt out to help with lag and aesthetics (I like it tidy), or at least condense them into one pile.
You could also use a liquid valve on the polluted water amount down to 1000 g/s (doesnt change states) which means you could run the tube through the warm area to pre-heat it to above 100C , which would make it instantly evaporate when it comes out. It would reduce the efficiency, but make it easier with regards to polluted oxygen.
Great tips.
The episode I was waiting for lol Thanks a lot for the support brother and Semper Fi.
SF
For what it's worth, were this to be a twitch stream, I would have voted Water Plant :)
Oh how we change through our playthroughs. Only a few episodes ago it was "yes we could leave them an empty water cooler, but that's not how we treat our dupes round here", and now it's "finish that build off before you leave that lava hulk, nevermind the burns" lol
Well it definitely was a biiiiig project! But worth every second. I was interested in doing something like this too and I'm excited to give it a try now that you explained a lot! Awesome content 💖 keep it up!
Thanks for all of the awesome videos...Love them. Great Job!!!
kiloton is what you were looking for. As in the little boy bomb had a yield of ~15Kt.
Thanks for the info!
Correct. Small note: The 'k' in 'kt' (or 'kton') is written in lowercase. Only 'M' and up are uppercase. ;-)
@@MaxTheDragon While you are 100% correct, I'm going to disagree. Just because i believe in the K. The K is good enough. The K can be a capital if it wants to. The K is a strong, independent consonant that don't need no vowel to define it.
I like this. what a great way to take care of the polluted water
Yes! Another Echo video! I check every day for new videos, even though I've got the bell on haha.
Thank you!
A Megatron is a wide receiver who used to play for the Detroit Lions, very effectively.
Thanks for the chuckle ha.
I think you could've gotten away with a much shorter pipe run for the aquatuner used for cooling the purification output. You could put the purification output into a small tank next to the aquatuner. The aqua tuner can cool that water down to 20C. Then, the small tank can have an open top which overflows into the big tank. Since you're adding nothing but 20C water to the big tank, you don't need any temperature control for the big tank.
Brilliant idea.
When vacuuming out a big area, a mini gas pump is just as effective as a normal one (small blobs) and uses less power.
interesting, some things :
You do not need that huge room, a smaller works fine too.
You can use less magma if you cycle the rock instead of duping on the top.
You will need to control the pressure or you will end up with less and less steam.
I made the same thing with 2 turbines and 1 aquatunner , my room is 12 wide and 9 tall, I use diamond sandwich with a steel door in the middle to deliver the heat, after the heat is done use a miner to drop the rock down and conveyer inside the steam room to cycle around more, finally add a sensor to send the rock out when is bellow 140C
This game would be the ideal game for cloud computing, where a ping of 200ms+ doesnt matter but the physics would be calculated by a beast of a server farm
Is that a Neopolitan pfp?
Sand is also used in Glass Forge, so it doesn't hurt to hold onto some!
I stick a steel door between the 2 visco gel locks as a precaution, if the inner lock breaks you have a chance it'll be OK assuming you pick it up fast enough which can be helped by a atmo sensor and one of the newish automation notifier thing-o's but I live life on the edge and haven't gone that far yet
Smart move.
@@EchoRidgeGaming to be fair it does slow the dupes down a little so I only really use it with volcanoes near the base haha
cool slush geyser, pours out too cold water for the timble reeds
Well, that's quite a huge building ))) and I can imagine how much time it took considering freezes and FPS )) respect!
I would offer a small suggestion. Maybe a couple )) You could put a termosensor to the steam chamber to shut off water supply if the temperature would fall below 130 for example, just for in case if you'll run out of magma. Also conterflow for cold water coming into the purifier to safe some extra heat ))
Love your style of speech )
Already working on the counter flow. Great suggestion
If you have a chlorine vent and some dasha saltvine seeds you should look into the ratios there too for sand.
I'm a little worry about the Mesh Tiles at the magma chamber eventually getting too hot and the magma won't solidify.
I would instead replace the two insulated tiles with metal tiles and let the heat transfers into the steam chamber.
The almighty temperature shift plate has never failed me. I have done this method a few times and haven't seen any problems (yet). Good looking out though.
Does inhaling Food Poisoning germs cause food poisoning in duplicants? I believed that they could only eat it if they had food poisoning germs on their hands and eat food with them, or if the food has food poisoning.
I believe you are correct. My assumption is that the food poisoning germs in the oxygen spreads the germs to other equipment though, then the dupes touch the equipment... etc.
good excution for the idea here
FYI, a thousand tons is one gigagram.
Great content! Videos keep me entertained and learning on my long work flights. Curious what tips and processes do you use to increase performance?
I actually made a video about it. th-cam.com/video/EOj4svBt1_g/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the kind comments!
i think those rails should be a loop with temp control at the and , it must be more efficient. i think
The rails are almost constantly being filled with new/hot igneous rock from the magma drip, they'd eventually fill a loop. Unless made with a temperature sensor that would eventually drop them as they cooled and make room for new. But it would really depend on the volcanoes active time/output if that much rail spaghetti would make that big of a difference. XD
Do those dirt tiles have a mass of 10 kg each? If so, then algae on conveyor rails is, indeed, the culprit.
The algae was definitely it, I'm just not sure how the area got so hot in the first place.
There is a nother thing that came up on me but i wil test it before i can say for sure to you if iam urly home. If you put food in a sterille envorement helium to preffer then the stale buff already goes down. Then deep frees it so it is deep frozen and stop staling yoyr food. Then what happend if you take it out and put it in a vacume. Is it than stil gonna be stale or wil it stay so. So you can put it on a rocket in a vacuum lock like how it was and put is there in by a dupe whit a convayer loader. Or is the sterile buff then comming back. I wonder i wil let you know if you not already no it. Greatings
Wouldn't it be better to drip the polluted water in from the top? I notices it started collecting at the bottom which is when you got that one off gas. but dripping from the top it would pick up heat on the way down and flash once it hits bottom. kinda like the counter heat exchange with the petroleum boiler.
Could have gone with a steam turbine setup and heat spike into the bottom of the map. Drip everything on to the heat spike instant steam constant water coming in so no need to drip all the water back in send that to the main tank. all the conaminants come out on the heat spike plate. Autosweeper sends it to the storage 5000.
Why use steel when rails melt at material melt temperature? 🤔 If you drop the dirty water through the chamber it will heat up faster. 😊 Nice build.
I like the idea about dropping the water through the chamber. I used steel for the thermal conductity.
Okay wait wont this break due to running out of magma? If you think about a normal volcano tamer, most of them use about 3 steam turbines tops because that's the max a volcano can sustain. This volcano is currently running 6 with built up magma. Once the stored magma runs out you'll flood the device right?
Since the vents are below, if we run out of heat, the vents will flood and stop incoming water.
How did you manage all the hot debris going to the item sorter and not anywhere else? I played with volcanos for the first time and they started putting rocks at 1200°c in my ranches wich did not go well...
I have had this problem before too. Some things I have done is lock the ranch doors until you have the rock cooled. You could also switch the hatches to eat something else for a bit until the rock cools down.
I had the same problem with my petroleum boiler in my last playthrough, so I dumped the hot igneous into a separate steam room on rails in a loop to cool it down to ~120-130C and make a small amount of power off it. I have a shipping rail temp sensor which turns on a shipping rail cutoff to drop the rock out when it gets cool enough. It drops into a pool of petroleum outside the steam room, which is cooled to 40C by an aquatuner in the steam room.
Echo just a question, I’m never really sure how many turbines to put down on the steam rooms with minor volcanos, what would you say would be the reasonable amount for one minor volcano ??
This is something that definitely comes with practice. Unfortunately it is not a black and white answer. It depends on the size and make up of the steam room, how the heat is being transported in, etc. I have a tutorial on some metal volcanos that may help a bit.
Hey i got a qeustion how many water do you get back from the steam turbine. Is it the same as heating the water till steam and cool it down again. And why not only whit aqautunners. Oh and of you wand to hold the steam pressure up above the 2 kilo per tile so pulluded water is not of gassing is it not safer to instal a pressure sensor so the steam turbines shit off if i come below the 2 kilo mark. Haha iam realy intrested in how it al gonna work out. Keep your head up and good luck.
I added an atmo sensor to keep the steam pressure up. A couple of changes I highlight in the next Let's Play vid. The conversion from steam to output water is 100%.
ngl, I feel like you have the "plant" vs "center" terminology switched, where the centralised solution you went with should be the "WP center", and each separate water purifier should've been a "WP Plant"
You can make sand out of salt
3000 tons is 3 kilotons (you can't skip the kilo) or 3 megagrams
Thanks for the tip!
i can be wrong, but if u making coal from hatch farm, then it 2:1 ratio, so so when u convert ceramics to sand, u have ratio 1:1 and coal, wich is equal 50 kg of raw materials, wich u can crush to sand with ratio 1:1, si i think its not that profitable.
I love being this early 😌
Couldn't you have just used regolith from space to filter?
Each steam turbine produces 2000g/s so I think 5 steam turbines is enough.
Yes if we only stick to 1 input pipe running at 10kg. Eventually we are adding more though :)
Goes to show how my style is so different from yours.
I'd have just dumped all the water from a tank onto the volcano and let it just boil and dealt with it later.
I'm a lazy player.
I used your seed but it gave me a different asteroid, I went back and checked and the seed is the same, there must have been an update or something.
Yes, sadly after a recent patch, they tweaked the spawning mechanics which alters the asteroid.
@@EchoRidgeGaming I'm just glad I had the confidence to play a more difficult run, thanks.
Not playing on max difficulty, but one tick lower, really enjoying taking it slower 👌
I'm use 5kg steam senor and 2 themers aquarium and 2 steam power and it steam not 5kg will stop
Killoton or kt for your 3kt of coal
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