Are politics and religion incompatible?
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- “If we’re saying that public office is barred to people of a particular faith… then that is getting into dangerous territory.”
First minister candidate Kate Forbes on whether her faith and high public office are compatible.
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Religious people have a right to their beliefs; they do not have the right to over-ride the law.Forbes has clearly stated that she does not intend to. What is the problem? If she was advocating civil disobendience that would be another matter.
She's made it clear throughout her interviews that she does not plan to impose her religious views on others so I really don't understand this media frenzy.
I find it funny that Yousaf does not receive the same level of scrutiny, yes he gets asked, but only Forbes is being pressed several times on the same issue over and over. Yousaf is able to make a glossy statement and the interviewer never digs further.
Craig Murray has revealed that Yousaf scheduled an 'urgent' meeting with the Pakistani Consul General (post knowing the date of the vote) in 2014 so that he could specifically miss the Equal Marriage vote. Even if I don't agree with Forbes, at least she has integrity for her values.
But by voting against equal civil-rights she WOULD BE attempting to impose her bigoted, primitivist conservatism on others.
@@toi_techno She is not a supreme leader, her one vote alone would not topple the democratic will of the people.
Her example of Angela Merkel is perfect. She separates her religious views from her political duty.
Hear hear
They were both asked, and one candidate said it would direct how they would vote, and one said they wouldn’t legislate based on religion. Both were telling the truth imo. Humza is and has been widely ridiculed in press for being a "woke gone mad" fanatical type politician. The Express/Sun/Mail can’t seem to make their minds up, for years and years he’s been the wokey fundamentalist crazy person who ‘doesn’t know what a woman is’ and who threatens the very existence of a traditional society/the family unit. Now im meant to believe from the same papers that he is actually religiously conservative and refused to vote the second time on because he opposes/opposed same sex marriage… although not enough to not vote for it the first time, just the second? The whole allegation is bizarre. Also Kate doesn’t have integrity at all, even if she has been honest since start of campaign. She stood upon and endorsed the 2016 and 2021 manifesto, despite apparently holding views polar opposite to that manifesto. She talks as if she’s just joined the party and not been the 3rd in command for several years.
literally said she would have voted to ban others rights based on her silly religion but okay
Kate Forbes puts the case for free expression very well. It is good to hear someone in politics standing up for what she believes. The fact that same sex marriage is a legal reality does not mean everyone has to agree to it, but as she says to respect that it is. At last someone on the left is confident enough not to be intimidated by those who want to force their views on sexuality onto the whole population. Live and let live.
I'm an atheist and I would vote for her - no problem.
In politics, your faith or religion are different considerations. A person's faith, their notion of right and wrong, can be independent of written rules. Religion, though, 'is' a set of written rules that followers are expected to comply with. Name a theocracy anywhere, and you're almost certainly naming a dictatorship.
One can practice one’s religious beliefs about marriage without imposing them on others. It’s a 💩 argument.
It's certainly not wrong to say that society is better off when healthy families where people reproduce and provide an adequate environment for the positive development of new citizens are the norm.
It's not about faith or religion it's about values, and if a candidate and a voter don't share the same values then that voter isn't going to vote for that candidate.
Why is it only Christians who are asked these religious questions!
Evidence for this assertion please?
Yes, completely incompatible, but it's not like we're going to free ourselves from people believing in magic in our lifetime, gotta make do and stay constantly vigilant against religious zealots.
Yes! There are VERY good reasons why our states are secular!
Secular = relentless degeneracy and decline
Mass immigration will actually bring religion to the centre of politics. Particularly Islam, Hinduism and African Christians.
@@evolassunglasses4673 It's getting to the point where you can't enjoy a British kebab or curry without Johnny Foreigner sticking his nose in. Malcolm Muggeridge would never allow it.
Yes, because some people are afraid of views different from their own.
The era of post-Christian humanist secularism is over. Mark my words, religion will start to play an increasing part in politics over the coming decades. The question is which one.
As a unionist good to see the SNP eating themselves. And the press focusing on no other issues.
Same here, the SNP is a ticking time-bomb, if Forbes becomes FM then that means the new leader of the SNP will be someone who is too right wing to become leader of the Tories 🤣 Oh the irony
Religion belongs in church. People who can't separate the two do not belong in politics, period.
It's a bit like saying I disagree with equal rights legislation and would vote against it given half the chance but respect democracy and the current law... not a very progressive position. She is the wrong choice. Its Tim Farron all over again and this is just a gift to the other parties
You obviously didn’t read Kate’s answer
They are completely compatible. Personally I'm not religious.
They are not at all.
@@p.h.3987 that's for the voter to decide.
@@evolassunglasses4673 Not in countries that prohibit establishment of religion.
Interviewer you are wasting my time.
she's the finance minister for two years and someone needs to get a grip on the financial crisis? so what has she been doing then?
btw if we're all god's children what's so special about jesus?
Yes....next!
Of course they not incompatible, at least not in a democracy. This is a Secular Society. That means we respect each others rights to freedom of religion or none. I personally think it is important that we know what a politician believes, because it is useful to know what might inform someone's decision making process. Personally I'm a little concerned by people who believe extraordinary things without evidence but that is just my view and is worth no more or less than anyone else's. Where I do have a problem, is with unelected Bishops in the House of Lords. But that's another debate.
No
The SNP is the most left wing party in the UK, and the most "woke" (I hate that word but it’s true). How on Earth does she think she is able to be voted by the membership. Yes she’s the public favourite…. That’s not surprising given that 50% are anti-independence or are conservative (maybe some overlap). This is the membership 80% of which voted for non binary passports and self ID. Why did she think she would be chosen? I’ve also seen all the unionists braying and saying they love her … but they are still very much unionist and Tory. A few of the older people in the party have wearily said "but she can unite left with right!"….."she can convince people in the centre ground/centre right on Independence! She can reach beyond the 50% blah blah" . Looking at all the praise for her in Daily Mail/Times/Telegraph comments when they came out for her, you can instantly see it’s not true. Yes they all love her views - but they will never ever ever vote SNP/Yes. It isn’t happening. No one with her views votes SNP or Yes. If you are right wing and pro independence we’ve got Alba for that. There is literally no point to Kate Forbes as a leadership candidate, just give her back her calculator and send her back to the treasury with a warning not to open her mouth ever again.
It’s a complete myth that the SNP is a left wing party. It’s a traditional nationalist party.
@@patrickcoleman5525 Often, I think people who espouse that view are stuck in the 1990s Labour pub dad ‘tartan Tories’ mentality (and it is a view which is diminishing rapidly from its heyday in, what, the 1970s?)A party is left or right wing based on its manifesto and policies, and not upon the reality some people wish in their heads to be true because they dislike independence/prefer British nationalism to Scottish nationalism. I do understand the feelings of some older Labour Party members/supporters who *actually were* for the longest time dealing with tartan Tories, and at a time when the SNP had zero support and was only really a political party to the extent it had a room with some pens in it. My sympathy dries up quite quickly though when (a) the Scottish Labour Party heavily resisted Jeremy Corbyn, (b) those same voters are usually right of the SNP - particularly on immigration and multiculturalism/economic policy. That’s why they pick centrist leaders like Sir Keir.
@@patrickcoleman5525 Well my comment aged well didn’t it , maybe you are right! 😂
Last name not a fish, so, clearly not qualified! 🙂 We need a Steve Mackerel or Lucy Cod.
The question is, if religious beliefs are a human right, isn't it a bit of a stretch to expect everyone to have to respect postmodern gender identity metaphysics and then the whole public have no acceptance of theological metaphysics and beliefs? Its all mad and to pick one side seems so arbitrary and meaningless to allow beliefs in one but not the other that it's actually offensive to not raise it as an issue, especially with the way the times presents it
Also a breach of human rights to say people can't practise their faith as they see fit and not be fit for office, this is blatant Liberal bigotry to try and box the politician in like that and expecting her to have her faith conform to the standards of lgbtq+ politics which is obviously a contradiction and frankly quite upsetting to think everyone has to bend over backwards to every political trend and nobody respect Christian beliefs either
To say that Politics does not require a Religious following is unreasonable.
God knows
Odin sees all the realms.
@@G_Demolished The noodly appendages of the One True God touch us all.
Witch one? There are so many.....
i think you'll find slartybartfast knows rather than some no nothing god.
Both propaganda