The Monkees on Feuds, Hendrix, Hollywood Vampires, Manson, Beatles, Screen Test, Criticism
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- Peter Tork, Mike Nesmith, Mickey Dolenz discuss the Monkees. Stories they made up to mess with the media. Mike explains the invention his mother created that evolved into a multimillion dollar corporation. Mickey discusses his time as a member of the infamous Hollywood Vampires. They go on to give an emotional reaction to Peter Tork’s death.
Peter Tork discusses Jimi Hendrix opening for the Monkees, being manipulated, session musicians playing the music, the breakup, Jack Nicholson, screen test and the impact of the criticism.
Fascinating footage from the 1965 Monkees audition process and the screen tests.
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In High-school , I had Peter Tork as a social studies teacher one year. Occasionally on a Friday we would have Monkees Q&A time. He was really intelligent & a fine teacher.
Wow that’s so cool! He totally sounds like a social studies teacher.. lol
He seems adorable.
@@Lola-AreaCode212He was.
Your so lucky
I heard he taught French as well. That is cool you were a student of his.
I was a big (12 year old) fan of The Monkees in the 60s.
I’m now 70 and still play, and enjoy, their albums.
Over the past six decades I thought I’d watched, read and heard everything there is to know about the band, but the content of this video was new to me, and a real revelation.
Thank you for putting the video together. It was very interesting. 🙏🏻
Here's what Willie Gilligan/Bob Denver never said to Davy Jones. "What are we doing in Washington DC?" You haven't seen or heard this Gilligan's Island episode where the castaways tried out to be the American liberal or conservative president. 🤔
I’m 62yo & still enjoy their music. And my 19yo son also enjoys them.
@@vanceoxI’m 63 and I still adore them along with other greats who were their contemporaries; The Seeds, The Alarm Clocks (who never charted but were wonderful), I’ll stop there lol, or I’d use up YT’s entire algorithm. Rock’s most excellent time because of sublime rock & roll geniuses such as them causing it to happen. I look up to them as such heroes.
I kind of compare them to The Partridge family. They were a fictitious band which became a real band. Just like David Cassidy. I think David Cassidy had a lot of sold-out concerts. Other musicians respected him because he would sell out every show.
I just didn't bother going through the trouble with mentioning this to you. Did you notice that the Batman TV show casting director William P. D'Angelo had definitely mixed fantasy with reality. You'll find a few real-life people in the Batman TV series who are often called cameos. G. David Schine was definitely a real-life person in the series. The Bravestarr comic book series is going to be the same thing. It's mixing real-life people with fictitional characters. The New Adventures of Batman cartoon series is still my favorite. Since they've just added a new character; and that's Batmite. He's the extraterrestrial alien who comes from the planet Ergo. He was first at large in 1977. It's too bad that the Monkees never made fun of Batgirl and Batmite. 👽 👾 🤣 😂 😆 😍 👽
Grew up with these guys! Loved them
8:13 Sick burn to Don Kirschner. But not undeserved.
The Monkees were always extremely ungrateful and ungracious to Kirschner and never, ever acknowledged his role in making them huge stars. Without Kirschner, none of them would have gotten anywhere.
@@chuckschillingvideos idk about that. I'm speaking from my own perspective.
Is Terry Gross of NPR interviewing Peter? It sounds like her.
Yes its her. One of the best interviewers ever.
The Pre-Fabricated Four!!!
Who are the two other guys in the final auditions ?
Now it's just Mickey.
Mickey the Monkee, ironically enough.
And, Ringo will probably be the last Beatle ..... oddly, he's the oldest.
This host really did not know her stuff. I don’t know if she had a research assistant, but whoever it was really let her down. Who are the Archies 😆 😆
The host is Terry Grose from "Fresh Air" radio interviewer who's pretty popular and does her homework...usually.
@@robertsangalli6165 I’m surprised that it was Terri Gross. She’s a great interviewer. Which makes this more of a letdown. IMHO she fell short in researching for this interview.
People dissing Terry Gross for not knowing about The Archies is hilarious. Terry has forgotten more about music than anyone posting here has ever known. 😅
The Archie's auditioned Tex Watson, little known fact
I'm still worried about Vanessa 🤧
Favorite monkees song performed BY the monkees is cuddly toy.
I think that is a Harry Nilsson song
Live version of Circle Sky from Head.
Peter is a pretty rude interview for the gracious Terry Gross
16:01
18:38
What do the Monkees sound like?🐵🐒🐵🐒🐵🐒🐵🐒
i didn't know Nesmith was so annoying
i jammed with Peter in Philadelphia back in 76, had a blast, me,pete and a bass player we didn't do any Monkees songs I do remember playing Diamond dogs by Bowie and Johnny B.Goode we rocked the place, RIP Peter and Thanks
If only Peter had been able to quit cigarettes 😢❤
It’s hard, and hard to watch someone you love die from it. Never start
They believed their own hype. Wanted to compete with the Beatles with writing and playing lol.. Head was a perfect example of delusion. You cannot be someone you're not. The hits were because of writers like Boyce and Hart, Neil Diamond etc. I mean come on. Lmao.
They didn't believe their own hype. On the contrary they always played down any comparisons made between themselves and the Beatles. Having said that, Peter and Mike were at least as musically proficient - if not more proficient - than any of the four Beatles, and both were pretty decent songwriters. Davy Jones was also highly talented, albeit in a slightly different genre (he was a child actor, dancer and singer).
The Beatles were also "designed" or contrived to some extent (replacing Pete Best with Ringo being an obvious example). Their image was carefully controlled - the Beatles haircut, Beatle suits, Beatle boots etc.
Context: About ~85% of bands in the 1960's used the SAME 5-6 musicians (The Wrecking Crew) on their recordings !
Glen campbell was a member of the wrecking crew
Even the people in the Wrecking Crew themselves don't really agree on how many players were actually in that elite group, anywhere from 12, 15, 20, or 30. No one can say.
I do hope sweet Vanessa got that well deserved *help.* She certainly had enough boys worrying about her!
THANK you!
I saw an interview recently of Stephen Stills where he said he never auditioned for the Monkees but he did recommend Peter Tork. He claimed that he was pitching some songs that he wrote. I guess after all this time passing memories can be different.
That makes sense. Everyone seems to have a different memory of what happened way back when.
Volgens een ander interview die over de moskees en stephen stills gingen wilden ze een ander hebben als stephen omdat hij een hoektand niet meer had door een ongelukje .
@@henkhor-pi5bmMonkees = affen.
Does it matter?
@@steelerspittsburgh875 the story Peter told would corroborate that. I don't remember the details, but his version was that Stills was talking to them rather than auditioning, and they said, we need a Stills that isn't Stills, just somebody who looks like him. Or, in effect, "do you know anybody else that looks like you?"
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day freewheeling ❤😊
I was thinking about creating one Gilligan's Planet comic book issue that depicts when the castaways first meet the Monkees. Would Willie Gilligan no longer be a buffoon once he meets Davy Jones? 🤔
Listening to this interview from the late Peter Tork is so enlightening. He sounds so genuine and sincere about his time in the industry and the Monkees.
Gilligan's Planet had a different setting compared to the Monkees.
Peter and Mike were real musicians. That's probably why they had animosity with each other.
Micky actually sang and played some guitar in band before the Monkees, not professional, but hey, a band.
Both Michael Nesmith and Peter Tork had different visions for "The Monkees". Michael Nesmith wanted Chip Douglas to produce "The Monkees" and he was a great choice. However Peter Tork wanted Stephen Stills to produce "The Monkees" and he lost. It would had been interesting to hear that version of "The Monkees".
It was not animosity, just that they didn't get along with each other. They didn't wish ill on each other.
Davy had been doing British theatre since he was a pre-teen, mostly Broadway type stuff, nothing Shakespearian, musicals mostly. He also played the drums quite well but they did not want him behind the kit due to his size, and that he was quite the draw they wanted him out front...shaking his "maraca" at the ladies.
All fake.
The screen tests! You can tell who was destined to become a Monkee and who wasn't. The other actors.... way too serious delivering the lines. The show wasn't a drama, far from it. 😂
As an amateur actor myself I noticed that too. It's a paradox - the best actors I've met are great despite not having acting classes - acting is being yourself.
From listening to his interviews over the years, Peter Tork was, I think the coolest of the four.
I always had a crush on Mickey (still do). He was a terrific singer. Davy appealed to young girls who liked boys who were “adorable,” big eyes, soft hair (thing David and Shaun Cassidy).
Nes was the “eye-roller.”
Tork once said in an interview (he was very introspective), “if you find you’re not the main character in your life,” (here he looked away from the interviewer and right into the camera), “you better check THAT out!”
peter tork was always my favorite. i think because he was the goofiest and most endearing on their show. but i never knew he was actually the most serious musician among them. never a true fan of monkees' music. and as an adult even less so but there are exceptions. some stuff they did was very catchy. but i've never been a big fan of "pop" but in the 60s even most of the pop was good, unlike today. i inherited some monkees 45s and one album, "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd" from 1967, from my older brother but never bought any monkees stuff on my own. thanks for the video.
Blah Blah Blippitty Blah
Let's be honest. The only one who thought Peter Tork was a great musician was Peter Tork.
Dont they mention Boyce and Hart ?
Always liked Stepping Stone
So did The Sex Pistols .. They do an awesome cover of it.
@@davidellis5141and who knew Lydon could actually dance !
@@davidellis5141 and Paul Revere and the Raiders
@@davidellis5141 and The Liverpool Five
Written by.....Brill Building pros Boyce and Hart. The Monkees may have loathed Don Kirshner and bridled under his reins, but the man knew how to work with the very best songwriters, pick songs, and produce fantastic records. No one can deny that Kirshner made the Monkees a monster act.
After seeing those auditions posted they picked the perfect four talents for the Monkees. 👍 I saw the show when they had just started their fame. Davy Jones was my favorite Monkee but all four created a certain “magic” together on the show and on their songs. Glad they were a part of my youth. ❤🙏RIP Davy, Peter, and Mike N. ❤❤❤ 💐⭐✨Glad Mickey Dolenz is still with us. ❤💎
The Monkees had a great team behind them. Pity they couldn't get over not playing the instruments or writing the songs. No one cares anymore & it's a pity because they could have been bigger than the Beatles IMO.
Peters audition was HORRIBLE. Why did they hire him? Never liked his character at all. The other three could have done it without him just as well although CHARLIE MANSON would have been GREAT as the 4th Monkee!
@@steveludwig4200actually, the straight man role that Peter played was the guru for the other three to be zany to. They would not have been half as funny without zenny, oblivious Peter to play off of.
And RIP Charlie Manson.
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I loved the Monkey's, still do❤❤❤❤
Monkees.
PT sounds like a well spoken intelligent person.
I’ve always thought the “feud” between Tork & Nez was a later happening … like during the Re-union shows in the 80s & 90s, when apparently, they all were at odds with each other. ( Weird Al did some show openers with them and had some horror stories about backstage egos.). But, the “feud” … seems kind of funny … because every Nesmith produced session during the first two albums, all feature Tork playing an instrument, not just vocals. Then, later, after Tork quit, Nesmith still used a track featuring him on “The Monkees Present” album. ( “I Won’t Be The Same Without Her”). So, there was some level of mutual respect. And Tork did play with Nez on the “Just Us” & “Good Times” albums, as well as Nez playing on Tork’s solo album “Stranger Things Have Happened”. Fame …
Grew up with The Monkees-Thanks for posting!
You’re welcome
Peter’s screen test was great, he had kind of a Steve Martin comedic vibe.Mike impressed me most in the acting auditions.
Hey! That looks like Mr. Whipple!!
Just another pyro-technic band. The Who & Hendrix. Ok.
I know, right? 🙄
Does anyone know who the other guys in the audition, the ones that didn't make it? I wonder what they remember about it....
I thought about that too. They didn’t look familiar so must not have stayed in the industry.
@@freewheelingideas The studio probably bumped them off to keep them quiet.
Good to know Mr. Whipple was a Monkees fan. Guess that makes it alright.
Please don't squeeze the Charmin! 🧻😉
For me in this time of my life its all about Shades Of Gray......
I will always LOVE the Monkees! I don't think I missed even one episode! Probably not even one rerun! I pull them up here on TH-cam, just for old time's sake!!
To be fair, many or most bands used studio musicians (thus the deserved fame of the "Wrecking Crew,") in recordings.
Leland Sklar, who is now a famous studio musician well as a live performer, tells a story about being in a band in his early days and not being able to play on their album. He's not even on his own band's album because he wasn't a vocalist.
MelissaThompson432..I know what you mean. The Wrecking Crew were great studio musicians behind so many great hits. Glen Campbell was from the Wrecking Crew. So I don’t think it’s fair for people to single out The Monkees for using them in their recordings because even The Beach Boys admit to using the Wrecking Crew for their records. 🧐😉
When I was a kid I watched this show on TV because it was funny. I didn't realize that they were real. Band in fact, my sister listened to this band all time. She loved them. I just like the TV show
Nobody played their own music on records the studios musicians played on everybody's records. Watch any of the TV shows they are not even plugged in!
That bit about the instruments not being plugged was for other reasons. The logistics of live performance on TV was, especially in the sixties, was much more difficult. You can see bands that could play, such as Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, the Animals, Grateful Dead (with Phil Lesh protesting by playing the broom) miming (as the call it in Britain) their songs on TV.
@@augustusbetucius2931 It would have been a disaster
Reverend Bob Larson has complained about Alice Cooper's personal life as well as the music he sung and performed. My father George D. Shelton complained about Jimi Hendrix when he was doing drugs. I also fantasized about when Bob Denver first meets Peter Tork. 🎭
Peter Tork just looks like he would be a snarky, hard to get along with person, lmao. But I don’t give a crap; he rocked and I still love him.
*platonically…what a shame that these days, I have to clarify something like that.
Neil Diamond wrote some of the Monkees biggest hits.
HE WROTE IM A BELIEVER
At 31:53 that actor knew it would be better if he moved the pillow. That's Mr Whipple (Please don't please the Charmin) buying the record for this daughter. Also, Davy Jones and Mickey Dolenz were the best actors. They probably had the most previous experience.
. I thought he looked familiar.
These auditions are amazing!! They made the right choices!! Mike, Micky, Peter and Davy had synergy together!
Unpopular opinion, but Michael Nesmith was a great songwriter, but felt guilty from the fame and trainwrecked his own career until he passed away. He tried his best to avoid the Monkees name and connection, until I guess he needed the touring cash after Davy Jones and Peter Tork passed away. Can't exactly fault the guy on his choices, but it's really interesting once you go down that rabbithole.
Maybe so..
He didn't need the money...his mom made a fortune on Liquid Paper.
I didn't get the vibe that Nez avoided the Monkees. His beef was with Peter, but it was personal, not professional. He couldn't commit to their Micky-Davy-Peter tours anyway because he was tied up with too many projects and crises, trying to juggle business and music of his own, living out of the way in Carmel and New Mexico and wherever. But once he was good and retired, he had a chance to realize what he and the Monkees meant to their fans -- AND what the fans meant to the Monkees. With Davy gone, Peter gone, and his own health sending him ominous warnings, Michael Nesmith finally embraced his Monkeehood and joined Micky to celebrate all of the hurrahs he had left, sharing that time with their loyal fans.
If you read any of the biographies about Nesmith, or his autobiography, you'll find that he had a life full of all manner of interesting things aside from music. As well, he did just fine with music. He could have really taken off when Joanne became a hit in 1972, but his label screwed up *royally* as well he did a lot with music, but on his own terms. His Tropical Campfires band worked in just the way he wanted, and at the level he wanted. He had absolutely *no* desire to *ever* have the sort of fame he did with the Monkees.
@@mr.g1758 And I believe MTV as well.
I felt that the Ɓeatles and the Moñkeès were first cusiòñs
I remember when the Monkees played in Raleigh, NC. The kids who went to the concert said "Monkees? Meh. But man, you should have heard the band that opened for them!" Jimi had more of an impact than he thought.
Hey hey with the monkees
We're
I wonder why Mike has sniffy nose...😮
All the monkees were pure gentlemen to me when I met them in November 2007 in Las Vegas, Nevada
I loved what Peter said about 19:00 about the band formation.
I used to watch this in reruns as a boy with my big sister as she would baby sit me afternoons. She loved all that Neil Diamond era music and the Monkees were a slapstick TV documentary about a boy band aging into a mobile beach party.
One thing she maintained about the music. No band could possibly write, learn, and perform two songs every week without help. The fact is songwriters and session players were nothing new. The real struggle was that of teenagers becoming men, amateurs becoming pros and chafing against childish things. Bands don't produce the same album over and over.
Peter Tork is a human butterfly
I think Manson would have added some nuance
I thought I’d watched and read everything about the Monkees, but I’d never seen these auditions in the Jeannie house or knew they’d narrowed down to 6 actors.
Thanks!
Yea quite interesting. You’re welcome!
Peter was so much more than he was made to play on the show. He was trying to quit smoking..which eventually killed him.
They did not have to be plugged in on the TV show.They were pantomiming to the records.
good stuff
I hate to say it, but you left-out one of the best-parts during that Nez & Micky interview, after Nez cries, Micky asked the interviewer: “Do you have siblings?”
I really wished, at the time, that the rest of the guys had followed Peter's lead and got fully behind the idea of playing and writing more organically after the 3rd and 4th albums. They DID have a special enjoyable feel and sound when they become a fully-realized band unto themselves. But, at least they went back to that in one of their very best albums, JUSTUS, which really showcased their abilities when they all pulled together.
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I-I-I-I-I'm not your stepping stone
Wait a minute you got John Lennon to play softball?!
ok my two cents.............i met peter tork at mohegan sun while stephen stills was performing at the wolf's den, so there
Details!
@@LetitRainNow450 he and his lady friend were wearing matching black leather jackets?
@@Mrzeee999 what year was that?
@@LetitRainNow450 October 21 2011......
Monkees were one of the greatest bands ever!
They were actors, not a band they didn't even Do their own songs. They got hits after TV shows and the girls went crazy. On tour they had to learn to play the instruments. Peter Michael had some abilities. With their instruments.
Blah Blah Blippity Blah, 😂
No they were not. They were good, but NOT great. Only Nez wrote songs and they were mostly country rock, working in a fairly limited range. BUT, they did have a hit TV show and songs because they were very GOOD. There are some artists who have hits who are not even good.
I find it disturbing that Mike had cheered for a mass murderer who was responsible for killing and torturing a 8 1/2 month pregnant woman.
That was your take-away?
Manson was responsible for, but never actually committed, murders.
You don't want to hear our version of the Monkees' theme song. 😅😅
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Except for Michael Nesmith I never considered the Monkees to be serious musicians. They were manufactured for television. It’s interesting that Peter in particular was an integral part of the Topanga Canyon scene with really prominent musicians.
As you heard in this video, Peter Tork had been playing, working as a musician prior to the Monkees.
Peter was the best musician in the band, he could play classical piano pieces and intricate finger picking guitar as well.
Steven Stills said he presented songs
< < < IS THAT ANNE MURRAY AT 2:29 ? > > >
these guys love to bad mouth Kirshner but without him the Monkees would have failed, we would not be talking about them now. The hits kept them on the air for a second season.
you gotta remember, Kirshner's ego was tremendous! The guys originally did not want to replace him, they just wanted to be more involved so they could say 'Hey, we did play on that record!' And Kirshner's ego would not let them be involved more - even when Raybert ordered him to release a group performance he refused.
Those hits during the second season had nothing whatsoever to do w Kirshner...
@@joeychiarolanza6310 my point being , without those big hits in the first season= no more Monkees. As I said everyone likes to knock Kirshner, he became a joke in the '70's with his unintentionally hilarious intros on In Concert but he knew how to pick songs. When the Monkees started , the boys were nobodies, who basically knew nothing about the music business. They picked the right guy to make the Monkees successful.
The guys were silly to trash Don, the show would have lasted longer.
Don Kirshner was extremely important to "The Monkees" during the early days. Hits like "Last Train to Clarksville" and "I'm a Believer" put the group on the map. Too bad Don Kirshner and "The Monkees" couldn't co-exist together long term. In a perfect world Don Kirshner would produce and pick the singles and "The Monkees" would control what was done on the albums.
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34:45 MR. WIPPLE !
Jimi Hendrix refered to the monkees as 'plastic Beatles' lol
Can you cite your source?
Because they were a man-made act. Manufactured by television producers and writers expressly for a television show.
Hendrix spoke highly of the Banana Splits, however..... 🤪
@@johnnyelizabethtonone of the Myers of the Banana Splits
Wow, Hendrix is really an authority; he managed to off himself at age 27.
24:08
Terri Gross, totally inept as always. Worst interviewer ever.
Idea: Let them tell it.
I think that Manson should have been a Monkee.
No weirder than Head.
Favorite monkees song performed by someone else is stepping stone (,Sex Pistols)
A lot of bands covered this song. It wasn’t even a Monkees original.
i was looking for waldo. not here
Peter is just not too bright in real life either.
He also seems to have an air of condescension
Michael Nesmith seems like a total phony lol
White-Out privilege!😂
Michael Nesmith was super talented in his music and songwriting. He made so many albums. Plus he had a good singing voice for Pop and Country music
Mike in the Monkees is like Ross in Friends. Didn’t fit in and not likable.