@@blonsnolongeruploadsbtd6 what if there's multiple gods in the opm verse, and we are just seeing the one who's in charge of earth? I mean, there's still aliens such as boros existing in the same universe.
@@blonsnolongeruploadsbtd6You have no proof... It's stated that the OPM God appearance are similar to the structure diagram of the Universe, which indicates that he's the Existence itself. Also, It's stated by Vaccine Man that the Earth gave birth to him, and we all know that his powers are light powers, which Homeless Emperor and Empty Void got after having OPM God's light powers. Futhermore, It's Shown In Psykorochi vs Tatsumaki fight that Adam and Eve does exist in their Universe, which indicates that the God of OPM is the one who created Humanity in their verse.
I can't help but feel that a lot of this stuff around causality, Blast's different portals, higher dimensions, presentation of travel time, and who's going all out is just you doing you very best to make sense of what Occam's Razor would suggest is just inconsistencies in the writing. Having consistent writing around such esoteric abilities that are drawn and introduced YEARS apart is probably extremely difficult. Especially when we consider that terms like "higher dimension" have very different meanings across fiction and theoretical physics. Cool vid though. I think you cooked about as much as you could hope to.
Another thing about the dimensional slash is that when we see it travel its always been during its horizontal travel path, after the initial landing. However during its vertical path, before it lands, when Void aimed it directly at Saitama it appeared instantaneously supporting the arguments for infinite speed.
No argument for infinite speed makes sense. It’s a stupid idea. A stupid idea and you should feel bad for talking about it. Mathematically the closest representation of infinite speed would be lim(x->0) distance/x, which would result in instantaneous movement because no matter what distance you travel your time is zero and everyone with “infinite speed” would be the same “speed,” which isn’t even really speed.
In real life that's what happens at light speed. That's why everyone agrees on the speed of light no matter how fast the move. Compared to light, all other reference frames also have the a constant speed, it's 0 which is why everyone agrees on their speed Length contraction goes to infinity at light speed. Cause and effect are instantaneous. It's just the flow of information that has a limit and it's the same speed on in all reference frames, what we see as the "speed of light". It's the info that slows in various mediums, the wave of info, not individual photons, light itself. Truly infinite flow of information means everything would happen at once. It's space he is splitting and space itself can move as fast as it wants. It doesn't follow the rules of matter and energy through space. Think of his slash like something being ripped apart all at once. That's not impossible for pseudo science comic answer about how their space behaves. Comics don't use relativity properly, faster than light would be backwards in time and speed of light is stopped time from your reference. Just thought I'd add some real physics to it. 😊 @@sigiligus
I think the dimensional slashes movement that sonic and flashy flash see is just for effects, like they see it but it's about to instantly hit them and they can't move or do anything about it
That intro editing was surprising The only problem with your video is that Saitama Mode AP is above everything else. Its a plot power not bound by universe. Modes explanation was in a diffirent page than the universal energies for a reason. Saitama vs Garou was the TEASER for Saitama vs God. You need to have no limiter to beat modes garou.
Maybe it’s because we haven’t seen much of EV, but garou in his weakest form of cosmic fear he was on top of blast easily, while blast puts up a much better fight against EV, and actually pins him down
Not to mention Cosmic Garou's ability to copy is insane!! It doesn't just copy the enemies ability, but also their literal strength, this ability alone made him able to compete with Saitama, until Saitama grew faster than what Garou can copy which is badass. Couple that with a Saitama (one that didn't grow stronger at every milisecond) was able to just pull down EV with not much effort.
@bongcloudopening5404 The copying ability isn't that useful if he can't copy hax which are outside the causality of the universe as explained and Saitama is the only character the series shown to interact with space and higher dimensions on that level. Garou can not do this. Blast also had zero issues with garou. He didn't even get touched while void did tag him.
@bruhxit2678 You can't use that version of garou lmfao. He only got to that point by fighting and copying saitama. Cosmic garou on his own if you put him up against void gets slapped.
Excellent video. I was thinking that you should definitely make a video on what threat level every live action and animation Godzilla would be if they were in One Punch Man. Plus, we are on the year of Godzillas 70th anniversary.
His copying abilities are based on him observing them, the understanding of the universe stuff is just the method he uses to mimic them, otherwise, he’d have been using hyperspace gates and Gravity Knuckle before ever meeting Blast. So presumably, he’d observe his opponent’s moves and use his understanding of the flow of all energy in the universe to recreate those moves. The only time he’d be unable to copy an ability is if it’s magic or something else that isn’t within ‘the universe and Empty voids ability is outside of it
EV > Cosmic Garou for some reasons. We know that how strong someone could become from God's power depends on the person's capabilities. Base EV before taking God's power and taking Cosmic Garou's power was alreasy equal to Blast, who is stronger than Garou prior to God's power, so EV should be more powerful and capable of doing more than Cosmic Garou. Even EV says that Garou was a "failed avatar". Now, with EV, he scales higher due to being able to be outside the causality of the universe, easily putting him in 4D and even higher.
Empty void is powerful than initial cosmic garou but the final cg from Jupiter fight far outscales empty void as garou did exponentially grow due to his fight with saitama. Ev saying garou is a failed avatar doesn't mean he's weak but he just wasn't much influenced by God that's it It would be a tough fight if garou does grow exponentially as he did in Jupiter fight
At 5:54 , when you said that there's no reason to think that FF sensed the DS when before he didn't, there actually is a reason: FF seemed to sense the DS only *after* Void thrust the God cube onto his chest. Afterwards, FF had direct contact with God, which could have made him more aware of God's power. This makes sense, as Blast was also able to sense the first DS in the exact same way. The proof that the DS is still pretty much undodgeable is that, even with the knowledge of how the attack works by having seen it before, and even though he sensed it this time, Flashy *still* got grazed by it. And it does not seem like FF was the the target, but instead, Sonic was (which is why Blast teleported Sonic away from the attack, but did not teleport FF. He probably wouldn't have been directly hit by it anyways) The only person who dodged the DS was blast, and he did so with his teleportation.. the same teleportation that he managed to use to be faster than the Serious Punch²... And Void also states that Blast would not be able to dodge without it! Some people have been subscribing to the idea that Blast can actually use some type of time dilation just to charge his teleportation, and I must say I'm kinda on board with it. Sitch stated Blast can manipulate space time, and it makes sense considering his powers, and the "black hole-esque" effect he generates while charging his teleportation. His gloves have been calculated to generate around stellar level of gravitational pull, by how he was able to teleport Garou's nuclear fission fists, and some other things as well. Going by that logic, if each glove generates that much gravitational pull, when they are smashed together, time dilation could definitely occur! Of course, I'm not sure of the calcs as I did not do it myself or anything.. but it seems promising, no? All of this would mean that Blast can theorically charge his teleport faster than anyone else in the verse can move or attack (not counting Saitama here), but that does not translate to his fighting speed, or even his teleportation speed. He may start the teleport really fast, but when actually teleporting, he seems slower. The DS that he dodged made it kinda clear that he charged his teleportation after the dS had already landed, but by the time the DS was finished, Blast hadn't even finished teleporting. He might become intangible while teleporting, I don't know. And I'm not sure if Blast, Sonic and FF are really reacting to the last DS.. they seem just kinda paralyzed. Their expressions and body posture only changes after Saitama catches it.
Void only absorbed base cosmic garou powers not the Saitama mode garou that was in Jupiter who grew massively stronger trying to keep up with a Saitama that his limitless strength and grows infinite stronger garou from Jupiter will one shot void
It is important to know that garou could withstand being inside of a blackhole when he did the gamma ray burst . So just maybe he can withstand or stop the dimension slash
This is a good video that goes in depth but the dimensional slash being instant has some issues because when Empty Void first used it in the manga we see at the bottom of the page the attack moving to its target while also showing a trail of the slashes which shows it doesn't fully ignore causality and Saitama being able to react to it because he can not be affected by causality or possibly having infinite speed also doesn't feel as consistent because we see that he could be affected by the time anomaly that took away his memories and experiences from his fight with Garou while we also see characters slightly outpace him in certain instances like Tatsumaki moving faster than him to save a family or Flashy Flash dodging a punch from him despite Saitama trying to hit him. It seems more like Saitama's reaction speed is just higher than others without infinite speed which leads him to see it and catch it.
We see the horizontal slashing movement after the sword has "landed" from hyperspace. We never see the vertical movement. Meaning before the sword lands. I presume this is the instant part. Thats how Void attacked Saitama with the second strike. Aimed directly at him. The time anomaly of Saitama merging is probaby due to the fact that Garou's time traveling technique was incomplete as he says so himself, or simple plot device as you can't have two Saitama's running around. The DS being infinite/immeasurable speed at least before the landing part is further supported by the "Ignores distance energy and size statement" and the fact that it originates from hyperspace beyond the causality of the universe.
@gamervibes6454 I believe we do see the vertical movement when it hits the surface which creates a small explosion that they can see but likely aren't fast enough to react to. I think that Saitama has resistance to causality manipulation would be more supported if the timeline couldn't force both versions to merge which would show him being above causality. I remember Blast said that ignoring distance and time comes down to the user and we see that the attack still requires distance and time to hit in comparison to a move from dragon ball like the hakai that instantly hits its target and erases them from existence which would be represented by Empty Void's attack only attacking the target instead of the surrounding area because his attack is coming from a higher dimension.
@@kage1573 The small explosion as an effect of the landing doesn't really speak to the speed of the vertical landing, since we don't see it travel on the vertical path. If it's speed is finite after the landing then they would see it travel but only after it lands which seems to be the case at first glance. So it's speed is likely Infinite vertically, which is supported by the statement of ignoring distance. As for Saitama merging, the technique was incomplete and it was for plot convenience. Moreover it's just a matter of time until Saitama completely transcends causality now that it's basically confirmed god exists beyond the causality of the universe in a higher dimension with infinite folded universes.
Amazing video man 👏. You brought up some great points and I agree overall. I dont think regular cosmic garou wins for the reasons you mentioned and Jupiter garou should be a non factor since he only got that strong from fighting and copying Saitama's strength.
I’d say more evidence of Garou not being able to copy the Dimensional Slash is even Empty Void seeming unable to use the technique after Saitama took them, commenting “My Dimension Blades!” after jumping out of the hole he got put in. He still tried to go back to the higher dimension or whatever with his hand motions, but it seems to me at least like blades themselves, if not the specific Dimensional Blades, are a prerequisite for the attack.
I think Void depends too much on his dimensional slash, not trying to discredit him because he is obviously faster then almost all other characters. But in my opinion Jupiter Garou at max power can Most Likely take out Meteoric Burst Boros, Void and Blast in a 3v1 and the fight would be very quick too. Dimensional Blade vs Jupiter Garou is tricky sure, but can definitely tank it since he took Serious punches like a beast. And onto the regeneration topic- As far as we’ve seen in the show none of God’s powers bestowed to his avatars (Vaccine man, Homeless Emperor, Garou, Void) don’t have any regen to speak of so far in the story. But in Garou’s case it might have just turned into God+ levels of durability. Great video btw!
I also understand that every new villain in the story Should be stronger than the previous one to make the story progress and more interesting. But Jupiter Garou technically never existed since Saitama reversed causality, but it was meant to show off First of all- Saitama’s strength (to some extent) and second- how adaptable Garou is in his CF mode= reaching power beyond what we’re gonna see in a while. EV will be similar to what happened in the webcomic, only change might be that he gets turned back into human so we can gain a bit more knowledge about God and his plans. Thank you ❤
Pretty sure no verison of Garou can tank the dimension blade, it's not an AP attack it's spatial dura neg hax. So the DS remains Voids one and only solid win con. Though I would agree Jupiter Garou is most likely stronger and faster than Void for sure.
@ The garou that absorbed Blasts techniques, when he was still on earth, clashed with Saitama’s serious punch while he was Enraged because Genos got killed. They produced a serious punch squared which seemed to do no damage to Garou at the time already, which is leagues weaker then Jupiter Garou aswell. And in both the webcomic and the new manga continuity we see Saitama no diff EV, even tho it may be a joke. And I did say that every new villain should be stronger then the last one but Garou is obviously a different kind of beast.
The slash didnt travel when it slashed in earth. Flashy and sonic couldnt dodge it. It was that blast was really just a higher demensional being too that could instinctly see whats going to happen and dodge first before void slashed. It only looked like it travel because its a manga panel
@@j_official4138 Reread it bro. It was blast who saved them and look at the panel it suddenly cut through all the land. Blast could dodge it cuz of his awareness because he is also a higher deminsional being. Look at chap 207. Sudden slashed. It did not travel. The second dimensional slash where saitama stopped it was murata was trying to portray how saitama sees it. Thats when he could stopped a slash the ignores distance and space
@@j_official4138 They never dodged it, Blast literally had to save their asses twice using his 3D portals which work outside causality (likely), it's also pretty blatant that they were cooked if Saitama didn't appear last chapter, as Blast couldn't fist bump to dodge the DS like Void states.
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Satori was so wrong lol Garou won't be able to see a higher dimension attack, he can't copy what he can't see. Void can also grab timespace and use it to block attacks. Also void didn't fight saitama yet so chill out cause he will get much stronger.
@xSpyLitex cosmic form? the one that he's in currently? y'all giving him forms he clearly don't got I'm crying💔💔💔 his 1 from space was a redraw LMFAOOO
@@notdynnYes, but he haven't shown any new powers yet... Also, Him tanking the impact on landing from higher Dimension to their planet (lower Dimensional) without getting a scratch is already better than Cosmic Garou tanking Saitama's serious punches in one of the moon of Jupiter
Correction garou indeed can copy black hole portal he did that against Saitama in io when he did martial arts flurry and at the end he used nuclear fission with gravity knuckle the explosion of nuclear fission was absorbed by black hole,check that again.This happened right before serious table flip
That was a gravity knuckle/dimension cannon. Garou distinguishes that he can only use hyperspace gates for teleportation within vidual range. That's why he had to find the earth before teleporting to it. Blasts black hole type portals are not limited to visual range and can teleport interdimensionally.
@@badrelyousfi7553 Sorry but I'm right!!! Like in every other anime/comic, the next enemy/opponent will ALWAYS be stronger than the last/current one ;-) Garou is stronger than Boros and Empty Void is stronger than Garou and the next opponent after Empty Void will be stronger !!! In every anime e.g. the next opponent is stronger like in Dragon Ball and it will always be like this.... POINT
He fodderized Blast, Garou couldn't lay a finger on Blast. Plus the dimension slash is dura neg hax, so solid win con if it lands. I'd say void has good chances.
The reason why Empty Void is much stronger than Cosmic Garou because of Empty Void accepted a large amount of God's power also his experience of using it unlike Cosmic Garou which is he rejected God's power, but he got only small amount
This doesn’t matter as how much power you get from god varies as you can see with homeless emperor,and how much power garou attained is irrelevant because garou whole gimmick is to copy and evolve
@@damarion7923 not the same lol homeless emperor was a normal human void is not he was on blast level who was already fighting god avatars void is also the only one who has access to god's dimension like I don't understand how you thought that would be even comparable
Garou definitely cannot copy EV since The Hands signs are required to move to that realm, and also, dimension slash also requires the special jutsu that void performed, so no Garou can't copy void, so EV wins.
12:40 that can be explained to be the limit of said ability not blast himself the same said ability was being overwhelmed by nukes…. blast was able tank some of the energy of the serious punch ^2 also
Cosmic fear Garou: “Look at what you need to reach barely even a fraction of my power!” But seriously tho Garou is exponentially stronger than the version empty void absorbed. I mean 100*250+200=25,200 But 100*1000=100,000 100 representing Garou, 200 representing Empty Void, and Saitama being 250(holding back) and 1000.
That's the problem, he can't, his powers are limited only to what is physically and chemically possible, as shown he can't copy something that is beyond the knowledge that God gave him.
@@shelbedavisjr.3025That was before he grew exponentially stronger and was able to time travel reversing cause and effect and transcending the laws of it.
@@shelbedavisjr.3025 As I said, Garou was limited to the knowledge of the chemical and physical processes of the universe, even copying Saitama's strength he couldn't do what he did like holding dimensional portals.
If ever Cosmic Garou and Empty void fights, Murata needs to hire multiple scientist because that battle will be outside of our understanding unless you really know something about science
@@Mope333 Yeah but his abilities or durability don't stack to Garou's (as of yet). Saitama caught his attack with his bare fingers and literally folded him just by hurling him back down to the ground. Garou traded serious blows with Saitama, that alone for me is enough proof. Do you seriously think Empty void could tank a serious punch?
@@xxwales15xx33Saitama caught Garou's portals too. Folded is a strong word considering Void was completely fine after the supposed folding by Saitama.
@@xxwales15xx33 Actually his abilities and durability does stacks up against Cosmic Garou who’s only bind by (3D-4D laws). Cosmic Garou couldn’t even pull off Time-Traveling fully, which is a (4D-5D) feat because he lacked the power to do so unlike Empty Void. Saitama caught his attack because he scales higher than 5D, also he considers Empty Void to be an evil threat unlike Cosmic Garou. Empty Void tanked that fall from a Higher Dimension and got back up with barely any damage. He was actually using more strength than in his Cosmic Garou battle, as you stated “Serious punches” which Saitama was just serious from seeing Genos. Those wasn’t “Death punches” because Saitama was just playing along with Garou in the first place. Even was joking etc. Didn’t want to kill him (etc). No way a 3D-4D being has greater feats than a 4D-5D being. Empty Void is also way faster too
@@Mope333bro are you genuinely restarted? You deadass just said ‘Saitama was playing around with Garou’ while ENRAGED and immediately doing serious punches while clearly being pissed off?? Garou is way faster than Void too because he copied Saitama’s strength. Emoty Void hasn’t done time travel either, so you’re making up headcanon saying Void could do it but Garou couldn’t. Try again
Here's my head canon: Void>CF Garou IF that Garou had not interacted with Saitama yet. His ability to copy techniques, specifically Saitama's techniques, is what makes CF Garou so strong. If the version of Garou discussed HAS faced Saitama before, then CF Garou>>>Void.
@@Bigchickenburger Even Blast could catch Ev before he form his hand sign even though he got injured! you think cosmic garou can't stop him doing like that! Cosmic Garou even countered Saitama infinite travel speed and his Multiple Serious punches at the same time without using COPY MODE! EVEN BASE COSMIC GAROU CAN CATCH EV EASILY SINCE BLAST COULD CATCH EV BEFORE HE FORM HIS HAND SIGN!😁😁😁
I would say this Version of one punch man is way stronger and more powerful than the previous verse because he fuses with himself. I'm surprised no one brings that up.
Yeah, people thought his powers got reset, and forget that he already trancends the Causality, so the Reversal of Causality shouldn't affect his powers
@@Trolololol123that's it he can keep spamming if he stays there but in terms of strength defence and battle iq he gets washed its only has that void is better than garou but I think eventually garou will adapt
As of now, I don’t see any feats from EV that surpass Peak Cosmic Garou, except for his dimensional manipulation. So I’d agree that the fight would most likely be close. I also hope EV showcases more in the future because it’s embarrassing to see the supposed perfect God Avatar appear weaker than the previous one, who only had a portion of God’s power
But i do agree 😂 Bro had the cube which grants more power than the portion Garou had, Saitama is cold no lie but Void has more 5D feats compared to Garou 3D-4D
@@Mope333bro 5D feats don’t mean crap when Garou is stronger faster more durable and has way better hax. Cosmic Garou in the Jupiter fight easily one taps Void
@@Mope333this is the problem with the opm community y’all don’t read the chapter and it’s sad,bro said ev is faster the cg because flash can perceive cg but can’t perceive ev,buddy ff never fought cg what’s he fuck are you talking about😂😂😂
15:42 Leagues above? By what evidence? Garou was still confined inside on a 3D universe, and his physical strength was operating on a 3D scale bound by the causality of the universe. Empty Void exists on 5D scale beyond the causality itself, by dimensional tiering alone a 4D being would infinitely transcend a 3D being, let alone a 5D being. Not to mention empty void folded infinite parallel worlds inside a space that exists outside causality, which alone is way better than anything shown by Garou. By your logic even a 2D or 1D being can become stronger than a 3D being. I don't think lines or dots can defeat me though.
I don’t think Garou can win this is why he can’t keep up with empty void speed since shown that blast was going all out against empty void and Garou was keeping up with saitama that was holding back he might copy empty void but highly doubt that since he can’t use every ability I’d say empty void takes the dub
You forgot the fact that Cosmic Garou base form was Defeated by Saitama with Zero Punch qhich 100 times stronger than Multiple times! And That is still base form and evwn still alive!
" you can be raged and serious yet still holding back " is the perfect way to describe Saitama in his fight with garou . He was never at full power , he was saying he doesnt have to worry about innocent ppl , while doing whatever he chooses to do with his power. He can quite literally table flip the whole earth but that would kill everyone, so he cant just do what he wants on earth because he does actually care about the well being and protection of lesser beings .. every fight that causes Saitama to actually exert beyond serious series , will be off earth , guaranteed, because if he is as powerful as most believe then using certain power on earth would destroy it
Empty Void has durability negation and can attack from the hyperspace where Garou cant even touch him. He blitzed Blast really bad at the end of ch-208. While Garou couldnt even touch Blast (or unless youre talking about peak garou but my point still stands as Garou was getting blitzed by Saitama as well. Now talking about Saitama, he merged with his other self at ch-169 meaning his power has basically doubled. He grows every single day and maybe to the point that he can 1 shot himself from yesterday. And to those who are calling void a fraud, thats like saying Cosmic Garou is a fruad because Saitama kicked his portals away.
Would you say Boros' Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon is relative to newly Awakened Cosmic Fear Garou's Gamma Ray Burst attack? And do you think Meteoric Burst Boros could be relative to the just Awakened cosmic Fear garou's power stats by having half or one third of his raw strength and striking power? Boros performed pretty well in both his first transformation and Meteoric Burst forms with a Saitama who took him more seriously. Then a Saitama who was pretty casual against Gargoyle Garou and didn't want to harm him.
Thats where you went wrong, blast isn't faster than saitama and garou at that moment, he moved his fists to touch while they were running toward each other, his reaction time or just perspective might be faster but movement in of itself can't be fully confirmed.
With how powerful Cosmic Garou and Empty Void are with just a small portion of God’s power, imagine how strong God will be. I can easily see it beating Anti Spiral and no diffing the DBS verse
Garou himself couldn’t grab hyperspace and also couldn’t time travel. This is also a stronger version of Saitama. The strength Garou copied from Saitama is way weaker. We can argue Saitama kept his strength due to the bottom half of Saitama’s clothes being missing, indicating he kept something, which I would assume to be his strength, and he also gets so strong to the point where he can one-shot himself from a day ago, and emotions further amp this. Him copying Saitamas strength does not automatically make him stronger than void because there are levels to Saitama and each moment is stronger than the last
@sentialt-p8x Other then the radiation factor considering how insane Ki protects individuals how large is the power gap between them and what would be the closest powerhouse Cosmic Fear Garou would be closer to in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z terms and how would his own adaption factor play in compared to the Saiyan's Zenkai Boost?
@thorshammer7883 i think gauro grows faster cause goku grows in sections mostly mainly when he get a new form he gets stronger. Thing about it is gauro just copies his enemy so i dont think gauro innately is that strong when he copies you thats where his power level is. And as he copies he gets stronger. So in a fight with goku gauro would actually hold his own lol. But as i said goku grows in sections so he gets a powerup etc. But i also think goku is just to strong based on what the show and manga suggest. As he fights gauro in 1 form he can just quickly raise power scale and basically artificially do what saitama did. Alota people like to say goku is universe buster in base so you get the idea. Goku can pull off a saitama without having a massive growth rate.
@@sentialt-p8x Hm alright then interesting thought process. Then how powerful do you think Base Form Goku and his Super Saiyan 1 form was in the Namek arc? Large star tier - solar tier? Base form he was able to keep up with Final Form Frieza for a good while despite being overmatched in pure power. Then in his Super Saiyan form he does surpass full power Frieza. And I think it is easy for most the Saiyan saga level warriors and quality Frieza force soldiers to be a lot more powerful then the Top Tier Monster Association villains and S Class heroes by many multipliers. Heck even Dragon Ball original were doing vaporing moon feats for a while. Even Piccolo does it casually in early Z with just a hand. I would like to think Meteoric Burst Boros can keep up with Saiyan and early Namek saga tiers and I would like to think Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon is a star busting tier attack. Then early Cosmic Fear Garou could be a bit stronger then Meteoric Burst Boros allowing him the possibility to grow and keep up with either Frieza or Goku.
We cant forget that Garou is just built different. All through the series he has adapted and overcome all opponents he's faced (with the exception of Saitama obviously). He can take ridiculous damage and keep going, so much so that in his Saitama fight he was tanking insane hits that should far exceed Voids attack potency. Yes he was buffed in that fight by mode Saitama, but Saitama was hitting him with twice as much power the next moment, and he was still able to tank it. This shows that Garou is capable of tanking attacks that are far stronger than his. I think there is a real case that Garou can survive the dimension slash. I also believe that if the Garou Blast fight continued he would eventually defeat Blast. Garou has arguably the highest fight IQ in the series. Theres a chance Garou doesn't even allow Void to use his hand signs to leave reality since his speed should be on par with his, even Blast was able to interrupt Void until he was distracted. If the two were to fight hand to hand then Garou should easily out skill Void in combat.
blast actually saved the hero HQ but teleporting it out of the way of the dimensional slash...... idk whats the inconsistency about blast not dodging them now but yea maybe void has gotten faster than blast offscreen since that HQ incident
Means current saitama would one shot cosmic garou and most likely void he’s either kept the Jupiter power or has gotten so strong since the garou fight that they are literally on the level of crablante compared to him now
I personally think that they are partially equal currently. I think most cosmic beings are equal but have unique sets of abilities individually. But who knows we will probably see more of EV that shows he is way above garou tho
There has been nothing stated to say that the jutsu that void uses inside of the causality of the universe that allows him to leave the causality of the universe is itself outside the causality of the universe. Meaning the flow of energy within void to create this jutsu should be attainable by me just from observing it once. Once outside the causality you can apply my understanding of the universe statement in a backwards way to say that once I am in a new universe/ dimension that behaves in a different way, then I can understand all of the forces within it. I just don’t see how we can have someone like flashy flash react to the dimension slash but not me. I still believe that the reason flash reacted to it was because he touched the cube/ the hand of god which let him connect with the higher dimension. Evidenced by sonic not detecting the slash, blast detecting it, and saitama detecting it. As I also had this connection, in this theory there’s no way that I don’t react to, copy, or use another technique to counter the dimension slash. Even from outside of causality we see where the slash is coming from, I’ll just open a portal preemptively in the path of the blade then direct the other end of the portal up to void to hit him with his own attack. People forget that I am a far better strategist than how I was portrayed in my cosmic fight against saitama, in that they had to dumb me down for the narrative, in actuality things go way differently, and I actually use the abilities I have at my disposal.
Also you can be enraged and not holding back, but not moving at the maximum speed. It's a common trope when character in silent rage is slowly walking towards the opponent I assume Garou was not trying when fighting Blast, since CFG said Blast isn't worth his attention and latter was terrified And immesurable/irrelevant speed is just not even funny, not only OPM is not works in the powerscaler brainrot way, manga clearly says that ignoring distance, energy and size is possible only to some extent (Void can pretend he is strong and have a big knife, but clearly can't chop Earth in half). The HA chopping still makes sense, because even though the DS speed is finite, it's still much faster than dust and rubble falling down. Also it doesn't say anything about ignoring time
14:27 Garou is no way near the level of Saitama, there is nothing that proves that. Post exponential growth Saitama was verbatim stated that he had reached a level where nobody can even fathom his power, this would mean narrator himself cannot fathom Saitama's power let alone Garou, Garou being relative to Saitama would not make sense. Especially since Saitama literally keeps passively becoming stronger, even without emotional amp as stated by narrator. So Saitama that fought EV should be way past the level of Saitama that fought Garou anyway. So just because Saitama did not does in any way means Jupitar Garou can do that.
Yeah, People also forgot that Cosmic Garou got beaten by Saitama casually after time traveling, and his powers didn't got reset from the Reversal Causality since he now's trancends it
Adaptation is bound to law of Causality, so Adaptation wouldn't work since Empty Void's Dimensional slash are from the outside the Causality of the Universes
I believe Garou can't really copy dimensional slash. Sure he may enter hyperspace but in order to do dimensional slash you need Void's dimensional blades that he doesn't have
I’m sorry but this would just be wrong. Not only did he absorb cosmic garou’s powers, but he goes beyond the dimension whereas we only see garou only control dimension portals
I wouldn't know whether the desperation to lowball EV to below Garou stems from desperation to lowball the OPM verse compared to other notable fictional universes or some Garou fanboy sht... Trying to debunk a literal statement from Blast is a terrible way to scale, like the writers didn't put those statements to make an impression? Cosmic fear Garou wasn't taken seriously by Blast, who was on the defensive all through their encounter. Blast wasn't only faster but also more experienced to scale god avatars to logical precision given everything he saw from garou, his multiversal cosmic awareness, and his experience with void both past and present. That aside, EV legit ate two black holes, could casually access a plane above the multiverse beyond blasts reach and casually wreak havoc with his dimension slash...there is no way cosmic fear garou is avoiding or blocking the dimension slash. EV already scales above garou as he absorbed garou's cosmic power in addition to his own...cosmic fear garou's cosmic powers gave him the access to every feat he ever pulled off...he only had to keep exploring the power to harness its fullness, whereas this access is everything EV has and so much more....by nature and experience. Dude legit scales to above multiversal, whereas garou was barely multiversal...lol. Now, the saitama that ragdolled Void, was above the level of the Saitama that zero punched Garou as he grows unnoticed with every passing time. Saitama merged into one being...and its pathetic for anyone who isn't desperately trying to cap to claim that his elevated attributes in his encounter with garou somehow wasnt inherited by the current saitama and improved by his canonical nature. The problem is dbz/marvel/dc fans trying to cap the opm universe below their favs while hiding under false pretense of scaling by feats and grossly misinterpreting compelling evidences by completely ignoring the Narrative. Bisaed and flawed scaling at its peak! EV >>> CFG It is what it is....
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That's like Silver Fang vs Atomic Samurai but in a cosmic level lol
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More like Silver Fang vs Flashy Flash on a cosmic level
The martial artist vs the ninja
Current ev= base ev and c. Garou
@@BeastXISI agree, and maybe its just me, but I think Atomic Samurai wins in a 1v1, specially with the sun and moon blade
I have no opinion till this arc is over
the only right option
W opinion
Good choice.
Mhm!
I respect your opinion
Unrelated to the debate, But Garou and Void have such cool designs.
Yea man..murata really kills it with their designs. I hope there's action figure for EV and CG
One of the coolest designs I've seen
Im half jealous of people that are so skilled visual-artistically. I always wished i could illustrate that well
Jesus Crist I was NOT ready for that editing at the very start, holy cow!
What did You use to make that?!
Had to rewatch it several times just to make sure it was real lol
@@SatorisYT
Welcome Lord Satoris. Enjoy the courtesy.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@YacineScalesdon’t gatekeep let him know
(I’m joking btw)
"Saitama is obviously the One Above All"
I mean...that would be quite a twist for him fighting God, wouldn't it?
i personally think God is above saitama i mean if saitama could kill God then God is not God lol
@@DawidosIsHere-WoT god from opm
God just killed cosmic garou
@@DawidosIsHere-WoTGod was not meant it be God, he is just a creature with crazy power, not the one who created the world
@@blonsnolongeruploadsbtd6 what if there's multiple gods in the opm verse, and we are just seeing the one who's in charge of earth? I mean, there's still aliens such as boros existing in the same universe.
@@blonsnolongeruploadsbtd6You have no proof...
It's stated that the OPM God appearance are similar to the structure diagram of the Universe, which indicates that he's the Existence itself.
Also, It's stated by Vaccine Man that the Earth gave birth to him, and we all know that his powers are light powers, which Homeless Emperor and Empty Void got after having OPM God's light powers.
Futhermore, It's Shown In Psykorochi vs Tatsumaki fight that Adam and Eve does exist in their Universe, which indicates that the God of OPM is the one who created Humanity in their verse.
I can't help but feel that a lot of this stuff around causality, Blast's different portals, higher dimensions, presentation of travel time, and who's going all out is just you doing you very best to make sense of what Occam's Razor would suggest is just inconsistencies in the writing.
Having consistent writing around such esoteric abilities that are drawn and introduced YEARS apart is probably extremely difficult. Especially when we consider that terms like "higher dimension" have very different meanings across fiction and theoretical physics.
Cool vid though. I think you cooked about as much as you could hope to.
Another thing about the dimensional slash is that when we see it travel its always been during its horizontal travel path, after the initial landing. However during its vertical path, before it lands, when Void aimed it directly at Saitama it appeared instantaneously supporting the arguments for infinite speed.
And it negates durability on top. Void no diffs at most rn
No argument for infinite speed makes sense. It’s a stupid idea. A stupid idea and you should feel bad for talking about it. Mathematically the closest representation of infinite speed would be lim(x->0) distance/x, which would result in instantaneous movement because no matter what distance you travel your time is zero and everyone with “infinite speed” would be the same “speed,” which isn’t even really speed.
In real life that's what happens at light speed. That's why everyone agrees on the speed of light no matter how fast the move. Compared to light, all other reference frames also have the a constant speed, it's 0 which is why everyone agrees on their speed
Length contraction goes to infinity at light speed. Cause and effect are instantaneous.
It's just the flow of information that has a limit and it's the same speed on in all reference frames, what we see as the "speed of light".
It's the info that slows in various mediums, the wave of info, not individual photons, light itself.
Truly infinite flow of information means everything would happen at once.
It's space he is splitting and space itself can move as fast as it wants. It doesn't follow the rules of matter and energy through space.
Think of his slash like something being ripped apart all at once. That's not impossible for pseudo science comic answer about how their space behaves.
Comics don't use relativity properly, faster than light would be backwards in time and speed of light is stopped time from your reference.
Just thought I'd add some real physics to it. 😊
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I think the dimensional slashes movement that sonic and flashy flash see is just for effects, like they see it but it's about to instantly hit them and they can't move or do anything about it
That intro editing was surprising
The only problem with your video is that Saitama Mode AP is above everything else. Its a plot power not bound by universe. Modes explanation was in a diffirent page than the universal energies for a reason.
Saitama vs Garou was the TEASER for Saitama vs God. You need to have no limiter to beat modes garou.
Bro pls re read ine punch man, then edit your message 🙏
@@SunBozo you
@@SunBozors
and thanks for the explanation, the best explanation for this subject
Lmao. Garou is not catching dimensional slash with his fingers lol
He was even shocked when Saitama grabbed the portal , those things are beyond his copying shit
Cope
@@jbfire772 you cope on Garou's meat bro
he does
He absolutely does tho lol
Definitely presented some interesting ideas in this one (:
You look like that Satori guy
He is
@@ISTHATGUYQWERTY Woosh
@@phothewin6019Bro. he is him lol opnen his chanel maybe before talk😅
@@akina3742 Woosh
Maybe it’s because we haven’t seen much of EV, but garou in his weakest form of cosmic fear he was on top of blast easily, while blast puts up a much better fight against EV, and actually pins him down
Not to mention Cosmic Garou's ability to copy is insane!!
It doesn't just copy the enemies ability, but also their literal strength, this ability alone made him able to compete with Saitama, until Saitama grew faster than what Garou can copy which is badass.
Couple that with a Saitama (one that didn't grow stronger at every milisecond) was able to just pull down EV with not much effort.
@bongcloudopening5404 The copying ability isn't that useful if he can't copy hax which are outside the causality of the universe as explained and Saitama is the only character the series shown to interact with space and higher dimensions on that level. Garou can not do this. Blast also had zero issues with garou. He didn't even get touched while void did tag him.
@@kenethernandez6246that was garou before his exponential growth, and IO garou completely outstats
@bruhxit2678 You can't use that version of garou lmfao. He only got to that point by fighting and copying saitama. Cosmic garou on his own if you put him up against void gets slapped.
why would u put him at his base? are u sped lol@@kenethernandez6246
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Yey!
yessir my goat
Amazing editing. Earned yourself a sub
What about Cosmic Void vs. Empty Garou?
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Void Garou vs Cosmic Empty
Garou void vs Empty cosmic
Whoever wins it still counts as G.O.D winning
Bro this is not db
@@samueljetstreamrodrigues1864what do you mean he meant OPM God
Excellent video. I was thinking that you should definitely make a video on what threat level every live action and animation Godzilla would be if they were in One Punch Man. Plus, we are on the year of Godzillas 70th anniversary.
His copying abilities are based on him observing them, the understanding of the universe stuff is just the method he uses to mimic them, otherwise, he’d have been using hyperspace gates and Gravity Knuckle before ever meeting Blast.
So presumably, he’d observe his opponent’s moves and use his understanding of the flow of all energy in the universe to recreate those moves. The only time he’d be unable to copy an ability is if it’s magic or something else that isn’t within ‘the universe and Empty voids ability is outside of it
EV > Cosmic Garou for some reasons. We know that how strong someone could become from God's power depends on the person's capabilities. Base EV before taking God's power and taking Cosmic Garou's power was alreasy equal to Blast, who is stronger than Garou prior to God's power, so EV should be more powerful and capable of doing more than Cosmic Garou. Even EV says that Garou was a "failed avatar". Now, with EV, he scales higher due to being able to be outside the causality of the universe, easily putting him in 4D and even higher.
Empty void is powerful than initial cosmic garou but the final cg from Jupiter fight far outscales empty void as garou did exponentially grow due to his fight with saitama.
Ev saying garou is a failed avatar doesn't mean he's weak but he just wasn't much influenced by God that's it
It would be a tough fight if garou does grow exponentially as he did in Jupiter fight
You're forgetting that was 20 years ago
Garou's growth is exponential, if he is not beaten quickly Wich is hard due to his martial arts he can just get infinitely stronger
Failed avatar means he is rebellious
@@herbertdesmarais1375 Its exponential if he copies Saitama.
At 5:54 , when you said that there's no reason to think that FF sensed the DS when before he didn't, there actually is a reason: FF seemed to sense the DS only *after* Void thrust the God cube onto his chest. Afterwards, FF had direct contact with God, which could have made him more aware of God's power. This makes sense, as Blast was also able to sense the first DS in the exact same way.
The proof that the DS is still pretty much undodgeable is that, even with the knowledge of how the attack works by having seen it before, and even though he sensed it this time, Flashy *still* got grazed by it. And it does not seem like FF was the the target, but instead, Sonic was (which is why Blast teleported Sonic away from the attack, but did not teleport FF. He probably wouldn't have been directly hit by it anyways)
The only person who dodged the DS was blast, and he did so with his teleportation.. the same teleportation that he managed to use to be faster than the Serious Punch²...
And Void also states that Blast would not be able to dodge without it! Some people have been subscribing to the idea that Blast can actually use some type of time dilation just to charge his teleportation, and I must say I'm kinda on board with it.
Sitch stated Blast can manipulate space time, and it makes sense considering his powers, and the "black hole-esque" effect he generates while charging his teleportation. His gloves have been calculated to generate around stellar level of gravitational pull, by how he was able to teleport Garou's nuclear fission fists, and some other things as well. Going by that logic, if each glove generates that much gravitational pull, when they are smashed together, time dilation could definitely occur! Of course, I'm not sure of the calcs as I did not do it myself or anything.. but it seems promising, no?
All of this would mean that Blast can theorically charge his teleport faster than anyone else in the verse can move or attack (not counting Saitama here), but that does not translate to his fighting speed, or even his teleportation speed. He may start the teleport really fast, but when actually teleporting, he seems slower.
The DS that he dodged made it kinda clear that he charged his teleportation after the dS had already landed, but by the time the DS was finished, Blast hadn't even finished teleporting. He might become intangible while teleporting, I don't know.
And I'm not sure if Blast, Sonic and FF are really reacting to the last DS.. they seem just kinda paralyzed. Their expressions and body posture only changes after Saitama catches it.
Ah, nevermind, you started tackling most of what I said after I unpaused the video lol
Void only absorbed base cosmic garou powers not the Saitama mode garou that was in Jupiter who grew massively stronger trying to keep up with a Saitama that his limitless strength and grows infinite stronger garou from Jupiter will one shot void
Nobody is talking about Mode Saitama Garou
after saitama , ev has the best durability feat , garou cannot one shot ev
@onebest7797 dude Jupiter garou durability and strength is beyond void
@@Jesko. 🤡 well he is stronger than void
@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Are you illiterate? I never said he wasn't 🤡 kiddo can't read
Godly explanation
0:13 Nah, you forgot the all mighty KING
It is important to know that garou could withstand being inside of a blackhole when he did the gamma ray burst . So just maybe he can withstand or stop the dimension slash
This is a good video that goes in depth but the dimensional slash being instant has some issues because when Empty Void first used it in the manga we see at the bottom of the page the attack moving to its target while also showing a trail of the slashes which shows it doesn't fully ignore causality and Saitama being able to react to it because he can not be affected by causality or possibly having infinite speed also doesn't feel as consistent because we see that he could be affected by the time anomaly that took away his memories and experiences from his fight with Garou while we also see characters slightly outpace him in certain instances like Tatsumaki moving faster than him to save a family or Flashy Flash dodging a punch from him despite Saitama trying to hit him.
It seems more like Saitama's reaction speed is just higher than others without infinite speed which leads him to see it and catch it.
We see the horizontal slashing movement after the sword has "landed" from hyperspace. We never see the vertical movement. Meaning before the sword lands. I presume this is the instant part. Thats how Void attacked Saitama with the second strike. Aimed directly at him. The time anomaly of Saitama merging is probaby due to the fact that Garou's time traveling technique was incomplete as he says so himself, or simple plot device as you can't have two Saitama's running around. The DS being infinite/immeasurable speed at least before the landing part is further supported by the "Ignores distance energy and size statement" and the fact that it originates from hyperspace beyond the causality of the universe.
@gamervibes6454 I believe we do see the vertical movement when it hits the surface which creates a small explosion that they can see but likely aren't fast enough to react to.
I think that Saitama has resistance to causality manipulation would be more supported if the timeline couldn't force both versions to merge which would show him being above causality.
I remember Blast said that ignoring distance and time comes down to the user and we see that the attack still requires distance and time to hit in comparison to a move from dragon ball like the hakai that instantly hits its target and erases them from existence which would be represented by Empty Void's attack only attacking the target instead of the surrounding area because his attack is coming from a higher dimension.
@@kage1573 The small explosion as an effect of the landing doesn't really speak to the speed of the vertical landing, since we don't see it travel on the vertical path. If it's speed is finite after the landing then they would see it travel but only after it lands which seems to be the case at first glance. So it's speed is likely Infinite vertically, which is supported by the statement of ignoring distance. As for Saitama merging, the technique was incomplete and it was for plot convenience. Moreover it's just a matter of time until Saitama completely transcends causality now that it's basically confirmed god exists beyond the causality of the universe in a higher dimension with infinite folded universes.
Amazing video man 👏. You brought up some great points and I agree overall. I dont think regular cosmic garou wins for the reasons you mentioned and Jupiter garou should be a non factor since he only got that strong from fighting and copying Saitama's strength.
Void has the equalizer but if he couldn’t use the dimension slash he would get bodied by garou.
I’d say more evidence of Garou not being able to copy the Dimensional Slash is even Empty Void seeming unable to use the technique after Saitama took them, commenting “My Dimension Blades!” after jumping out of the hole he got put in.
He still tried to go back to the higher dimension or whatever with his hand motions, but it seems to me at least like blades themselves, if not the specific Dimensional Blades, are a prerequisite for the attack.
Still nothing paired to saitama, also holy shit god tier level editing
I think Void depends too much on his dimensional slash, not trying to discredit him because he is obviously faster then almost all other characters. But in my opinion Jupiter Garou at max power can Most Likely take out Meteoric Burst Boros, Void and Blast in a 3v1 and the fight would be very quick too. Dimensional Blade vs Jupiter Garou is tricky sure, but can definitely tank it since he took Serious punches like a beast. And onto the regeneration topic- As far as we’ve seen in the show none of God’s powers bestowed to his avatars (Vaccine man, Homeless Emperor, Garou, Void) don’t have any regen to speak of so far in the story. But in Garou’s case it might have just turned into God+ levels of durability. Great video btw!
I also understand that every new villain in the story Should be stronger than the previous one to make the story progress and more interesting. But Jupiter Garou technically never existed since Saitama reversed causality, but it was meant to show off First of all- Saitama’s strength (to some extent) and second- how adaptable Garou is in his CF mode= reaching power beyond what we’re gonna see in a while. EV will be similar to what happened in the webcomic, only change might be that he gets turned back into human so we can gain a bit more knowledge about God and his plans. Thank you ❤
Pretty sure no verison of Garou can tank the dimension blade, it's not an AP attack it's spatial dura neg hax. So the DS remains Voids one and only solid win con. Though I would agree Jupiter Garou is most likely stronger and faster than Void for sure.
@ The garou that absorbed Blasts techniques, when he was still on earth, clashed with Saitama’s serious punch while he was Enraged because Genos got killed. They produced a serious punch squared which seemed to do no damage to Garou at the time already, which is leagues weaker then Jupiter Garou aswell. And in both the webcomic and the new manga continuity we see Saitama no diff EV, even tho it may be a joke. And I did say that every new villain should be stronger then the last one but Garou is obviously a different kind of beast.
The slash didnt travel when it slashed in earth. Flashy and sonic couldnt dodge it. It was that blast was really just a higher demensional being too that could instinctly see whats going to happen and dodge first before void slashed. It only looked like it travel because its a manga panel
it does travel and they did dodge it a couple times, reread the manga bro
@@j_official4138 Reread it bro. It was blast who saved them and look at the panel it suddenly cut through all the land. Blast could dodge it cuz of his awareness because he is also a higher deminsional being. Look at chap 207. Sudden slashed. It did not travel.
The second dimensional slash where saitama stopped it was murata was trying to portray how saitama sees it. Thats when he could stopped a slash the ignores distance and space
@@j_official4138 They never dodged it, Blast literally had to save their asses twice using his 3D portals which work outside causality (likely), it's also pretty blatant that they were cooked if Saitama didn't appear last chapter, as Blast couldn't fist bump to dodge the DS like Void states.
@@jx8903and he also never wanted to kill flashy flash
Wanna know the big difference between Yacine and SatorisYT?
SatorisYT divides the OPM community
Yacine unites it. --> This guy hands down one of the best OPM content creators out there rn respect +
Crazy theory saitama is just gods clone in human form his memory wiped clean
Satori was so wrong lol
Garou won't be able to see a higher dimension attack, he can't copy what he can't see.
Void can also grab timespace and use it to block attacks.
Also void didn't fight saitama yet so chill out cause he will get much stronger.
I promise u void isn't going to get much stronger and won't be giving saitama any fight🙏🏽
@@notdynnhe hasn't even used his cosmic form yet💀
@xSpyLitex cosmic form? the one that he's in currently? y'all giving him forms he clearly don't got I'm crying💔💔💔 his 1 from space was a redraw LMFAOOO
@@notdynnYes, but he haven't shown any new powers yet...
Also, Him tanking the impact on landing from higher Dimension to their planet (lower Dimensional) without getting a scratch is already better than Cosmic Garou tanking Saitama's serious punches in one of the moon of Jupiter
@@Trolololol123y'all clearly just be saying shit lmfaooo y'all want empty shit to be better than garou so bad LMFAOOO
Correction garou indeed can copy black hole portal he did that against Saitama in io when he did martial arts flurry and at the end he used nuclear fission with gravity knuckle the explosion of nuclear fission was absorbed by black hole,check that again.This happened right before serious table flip
That was a gravity knuckle/dimension cannon. Garou distinguishes that he can only use hyperspace gates for teleportation within vidual range. That's why he had to find the earth before teleporting to it. Blasts black hole type portals are not limited to visual range and can teleport interdimensionally.
14:00 nice background music choice 😉
Empty Void is much stronger then cosmic Garou !!!!
Next enemy IS all time stronger....
No
@@kireroom5856 yes
@@badrelyousfi7553 Sorry but I'm right!!!
Like in every other anime/comic, the next enemy/opponent will ALWAYS be stronger than the last/current one ;-)
Garou is stronger than Boros and Empty Void is stronger than Garou and the next opponent after Empty Void will be stronger !!!
In every anime e.g. the next opponent is stronger like in Dragon Ball and it will always be like this.... POINT
@@kireroom5856 no he doesn't ev doesn't even fight saitama he just fight blast so stop the cap lol
@@onebest7797 no kid lol
I feel like this video is premature
I honestly think Cosmic Garou is stronger than Empty Void by a lot.
Empty Void been nothing but an overhyped disappointment.
He fodderized Blast, Garou couldn't lay a finger on Blast. Plus the dimension slash is dura neg hax, so solid win con if it lands. I'd say void has good chances.
@@Semi-Addict-Gamer Did you forget to read chapter 166?
@@Semi-Addict-Gamer Whatever makes you cope better buddy.
@@Semi-Addict-Gamer ur seething lil bro
@@Semi-Addict-Gamer ur malding bro
I think they should make like a mini version of a manga series of these two powerful villains go face to face in a fight
This is my favorite conversation in this community
The reason why Empty Void is much stronger than Cosmic Garou because of Empty Void accepted a large amount of God's power also his experience of using it unlike Cosmic Garou which is he rejected God's power, but he got only small amount
This doesn’t matter as how much power you get from god varies as you can see with homeless emperor,and how much power garou attained is irrelevant because garou whole gimmick is to copy and evolve
You literally have no arguments against io garou literally speed blitzing and one tapping void lol
@@damarion7923 exactly 😊
@@damarion7923 not the same lol homeless emperor was a normal human void is not he was on blast level who was already fighting god avatars void is also the only one who has access to god's dimension like I don't understand how you thought that would be even comparable
Garou definitely cannot copy EV since The Hands signs are required to move to that realm, and also, dimension slash also requires the special jutsu that void performed, so no Garou can't copy void, so EV wins.
That's right, garou can't use sword
wdym? He can spawn portals out of nowhere but can't copy hand signs?
@@higorssempty void has no reason to show garou his hand signs
12:40 that can be explained to be the limit of said ability not blast himself the same said ability was being overwhelmed by nukes…. blast was able tank some of the energy of the serious punch ^2 also
Cosmic fear Garou: “Look at what you need to reach barely even a fraction of my power!”
But seriously tho Garou is exponentially stronger than the version empty void absorbed.
I mean 100*250+200=25,200
But 100*1000=100,000
100 representing Garou, 200 representing Empty Void, and Saitama being 250(holding back) and 1000.
Garou, he can't die. Remember that 😂😂. He gets stronger after every near death, even before he touches God.
Same goes for Void 😂
Be smarter bro
Be close to death, isn't the same as him dying
Metal bat almost killed him if it wasn't for his sister
Where tf you see void fight before become avatar this kid just coping lol @@Mope333
@@davereid111 you know void can absorb his power, , and make garou lose his power
peak garou solos, copies the dimensional slash and gets much stronger
That's the problem, he can't, his powers are limited only to what is physically and chemically possible, as shown he can't copy something that is beyond the knowledge that God gave him.
@@garouthegodlevelthreat2393well he copies saitama who is outside causality
@@shelbedavisjr.3025That was before he grew exponentially stronger and was able to time travel reversing cause and effect and transcending the laws of it.
@@Brosie_Osie I think saitama was still outside causality even before he grew exponentially and went back in time
@@shelbedavisjr.3025 As I said, Garou was limited to the knowledge of the chemical and physical processes of the universe, even copying Saitama's strength he couldn't do what he did like holding dimensional portals.
If ever Cosmic Garou and Empty void fights, Murata needs to hire multiple scientist because that battle will be outside of our understanding unless you really know something about science
First time seeing "is CLOSE" title
As of now Cosmic Garou slaps Empty Void. His abilities are far to OP
Like what? Because Void scales higher
@@Mope333 Yeah but his abilities or durability don't stack to Garou's (as of yet). Saitama caught his attack with his bare fingers and literally folded him just by hurling him back down to the ground. Garou traded serious blows with Saitama, that alone for me is enough proof. Do you seriously think Empty void could tank a serious punch?
@@xxwales15xx33Saitama caught Garou's portals too. Folded is a strong word considering Void was completely fine after the supposed folding by Saitama.
@@xxwales15xx33 Actually his abilities and durability does stacks up against Cosmic Garou who’s only bind by (3D-4D laws).
Cosmic Garou couldn’t even pull off Time-Traveling fully, which is a (4D-5D) feat because he lacked the power to do so unlike Empty Void.
Saitama caught his attack because he scales higher than 5D, also he considers Empty Void to be an evil threat unlike Cosmic Garou.
Empty Void tanked that fall from a Higher Dimension and got back up with barely any damage.
He was actually using more strength than in his Cosmic Garou battle, as you stated “Serious punches” which Saitama was just serious from seeing Genos.
Those wasn’t “Death punches” because Saitama was just playing along with Garou in the first place. Even was joking etc.
Didn’t want to kill him (etc).
No way a 3D-4D being has greater feats than a 4D-5D being.
Empty Void is also way faster too
@@Mope333bro are you genuinely restarted? You deadass just said ‘Saitama was playing around with Garou’ while ENRAGED and immediately doing serious punches while clearly being pissed off?? Garou is way faster than Void too because he copied Saitama’s strength. Emoty Void hasn’t done time travel either, so you’re making up headcanon saying Void could do it but Garou couldn’t. Try again
hohoho, we are now moving past city level and country level powers as it should be.....damm
First time i saw an debate vid that says it's close
void :i got a move you cant dodge
garou :you mean our move?
Here's my head canon: Void>CF Garou IF that Garou had not interacted with Saitama yet. His ability to copy techniques, specifically Saitama's techniques, is what makes CF Garou so strong. If the version of Garou discussed HAS faced Saitama before, then CF Garou>>>Void.
bro Jupiter garou can not one shot, ev , ev literally fell an immeasurable distance, and stood up unscratch
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LOL EV need to form hand sign to move higher dimesnion , he can't go higher dimension without hand sign!
@@Divinegarou4609and who's gonna Stop him from doing that
@@Bigchickenburger Even Blast could catch Ev before he form his hand sign even though he got injured!
you think cosmic garou can't stop him doing like that!
Cosmic Garou even countered Saitama infinite travel speed and his Multiple Serious punches at the same time without using COPY MODE!
EVEN BASE COSMIC GAROU CAN CATCH EV EASILY SINCE BLAST COULD CATCH EV BEFORE HE FORM HIS HAND SIGN!😁😁😁
Bro might be ed😂
I would say this Version of one punch man is way stronger and more powerful than the previous verse because he fuses with himself. I'm surprised no one brings that up.
Yeah, people thought his powers got reset, and forget that he already trancends the Causality, so the Reversal of Causality shouldn't affect his powers
Yo!
Cosmic Garou slaps the crap out of Empty Void. 😂
Get him past the Causality of the Universe first
@@Trolololol123that's it he can keep spamming if he stays there but in terms of strength defence and battle iq he gets washed its only has that void is better than garou but I think eventually garou will adapt
As of now, I don’t see any feats from EV that surpass Peak Cosmic Garou, except for his dimensional manipulation.
So I’d agree that the fight would most likely be close.
I also hope EV showcases more in the future because it’s embarrassing to see the supposed perfect God Avatar appear weaker than the previous one, who only had a portion of God’s power
😂 what? He’s faster etc
But i do agree 😂 Bro had the cube which grants more power than the portion Garou had, Saitama is cold no lie but Void has more 5D feats compared to Garou 3D-4D
@@Mope333bro 5D feats don’t mean crap when Garou is stronger faster more durable and has way better hax. Cosmic Garou in the Jupiter fight easily one taps Void
@@captainb.mccrea5480 Void fasted. Flashy Flash could perceive Garou movements but couldn’t Void.
So yeah ahahaha
@@Mope333this is the problem with the opm community y’all don’t read the chapter and it’s sad,bro said ev is faster the cg because flash can perceive cg but can’t perceive ev,buddy ff never fought cg what’s he fuck are you talking about😂😂😂
15:42 Leagues above? By what evidence? Garou was still confined inside on a 3D universe, and his physical strength was operating on a 3D scale bound by the causality of the universe. Empty Void exists on 5D scale beyond the causality itself, by dimensional tiering alone a 4D being would infinitely transcend a 3D being, let alone a 5D being. Not to mention empty void folded infinite parallel worlds inside a space that exists outside causality, which alone is way better than anything shown by Garou.
By your logic even a 2D or 1D being can become stronger than a 3D being. I don't think lines or dots can defeat me though.
Void is not a 5D being, tho.
@@thunder6676 void is
@@thunder6676Yes he is.
Garou go back in time he higher you 20iq
@@hirunguyen4522You -infinite IQ child, it was Saitama that went back in time, Garou got fodderised by God and openly admitted he cannot time travel
I don’t think Garou can win this is why he can’t keep up with empty void speed since shown that blast was going all out against empty void and Garou was keeping up with saitama that was holding back he might copy empty void but highly doubt that since he can’t use every ability I’d say empty void takes the dub
You forgot the fact that Cosmic Garou base form was Defeated by Saitama with Zero Punch qhich 100 times stronger than Multiple times!
And That is still base form and evwn still alive!
Saitama was still holding back, he never wanted to kill Garou.
Saitama wasn't going all out. He swore to Tareo that he'd keep Garou alive.
saitama defeat future garou with one normal punch
@@onebest7797 zero* Normal Punch
@@onebest7797 Read the Damn Manga Properly!
Narrator Already Stated that Zero punch is much stronger than Serious Punches from Jupiter!
" you can be raged and serious yet still holding back " is the perfect way to describe Saitama in his fight with garou . He was never at full power , he was saying he doesnt have to worry about innocent ppl , while doing whatever he chooses to do with his power. He can quite literally table flip the whole earth but that would kill everyone, so he cant just do what he wants on earth because he does actually care about the well being and protection of lesser beings .. every fight that causes Saitama to actually exert beyond serious series , will be off earth , guaranteed, because if he is as powerful as most believe then using certain power on earth would destroy it
Empty Void has durability negation and can attack from the hyperspace where Garou cant even touch him. He blitzed Blast really bad at the end of ch-208. While Garou couldnt even touch Blast (or unless youre talking about peak garou but my point still stands as Garou was getting blitzed by Saitama as well.
Now talking about Saitama, he merged with his other self at ch-169 meaning his power has basically doubled. He grows every single day and maybe to the point that he can 1 shot himself from yesterday.
And to those who are calling void a fraud, thats like saying Cosmic Garou is a fruad because Saitama kicked his portals away.
Would you say Boros' Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon is relative to newly Awakened Cosmic Fear Garou's Gamma Ray Burst attack?
And do you think Meteoric Burst Boros could be relative to the just Awakened cosmic Fear garou's power stats by having half or one third of his raw strength and striking power? Boros performed pretty well in both his first transformation and Meteoric Burst forms with a Saitama who took him more seriously. Then a Saitama who was pretty casual against Gargoyle Garou and didn't want to harm him.
Thats where you went wrong, blast isn't faster than saitama and garou at that moment, he moved his fists to touch while they were running toward each other, his reaction time or just perspective might be faster but movement in of itself can't be fully confirmed.
With how powerful Cosmic Garou and Empty Void are with just a small portion of God’s power, imagine how strong God will be. I can easily see it beating Anti Spiral and no diffing the DBS verse
Garou himself couldn’t grab hyperspace and also couldn’t time travel. This is also a stronger version of Saitama. The strength Garou copied from Saitama is way weaker. We can argue Saitama kept his strength due to the bottom half of Saitama’s clothes being missing, indicating he kept something, which I would assume to be his strength, and he also gets so strong to the point where he can one-shot himself from a day ago, and emotions further amp this. Him copying Saitamas strength does not automatically make him stronger than void because there are levels to Saitama and each moment is stronger than the last
That's a lot just for king to solo
How well would Cosmic Fear Garou stack up against Super Saiyan 1 Goku in the Namek Saga?
Dont think he comes close but if fight goes on for long enough goku will die of radiation
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Other then the radiation factor considering how insane Ki protects individuals how large is the power gap between them and what would be the closest powerhouse Cosmic Fear Garou would be closer to in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z terms and how would his own adaption factor play in compared to the Saiyan's Zenkai Boost?
Cosmic level
Galaxy
Universe
Multiverse
@thorshammer7883 i think gauro grows faster cause goku grows in sections mostly mainly when he get a new form he gets stronger. Thing about it is gauro just copies his enemy so i dont think gauro innately is that strong when he copies you thats where his power level is. And as he copies he gets stronger. So in a fight with goku gauro would actually hold his own lol. But as i said goku grows in sections so he gets a powerup etc. But i also think goku is just to strong based on what the show and manga suggest. As he fights gauro in 1 form he can just quickly raise power scale and basically artificially do what saitama did. Alota people like to say goku is universe buster in base so you get the idea. Goku can pull off a saitama without having a massive growth rate.
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Hm alright then interesting thought process. Then how powerful do you think Base Form Goku and his Super Saiyan 1 form was in the Namek arc? Large star tier - solar tier? Base form he was able to keep up with Final Form Frieza for a good while despite being overmatched in pure power. Then in his Super Saiyan form he does surpass full power Frieza. And I think it is easy for most the Saiyan saga level warriors and quality Frieza force soldiers to be a lot more powerful then the Top Tier Monster Association villains and S Class heroes by many multipliers.
Heck even Dragon Ball original were doing vaporing moon feats for a while. Even Piccolo does it casually in early Z with just a hand. I would like to think Meteoric Burst Boros can keep up with Saiyan and early Namek saga tiers and I would like to think Collapsing Star Roaring Cannon is a star busting tier attack. Then early Cosmic Fear Garou could be a bit stronger then Meteoric Burst Boros allowing him the possibility to grow and keep up with either Frieza or Goku.
Facts, facts
We cant forget that Garou is just built different. All through the series he has adapted and overcome all opponents he's faced (with the exception of Saitama obviously). He can take ridiculous damage and keep going, so much so that in his Saitama fight he was tanking insane hits that should far exceed Voids attack potency. Yes he was buffed in that fight by mode Saitama, but Saitama was hitting him with twice as much power the next moment, and he was still able to tank it. This shows that Garou is capable of tanking attacks that are far stronger than his. I think there is a real case that Garou can survive the dimension slash. I also believe that if the Garou Blast fight continued he would eventually defeat Blast. Garou has arguably the highest fight IQ in the series. Theres a chance Garou doesn't even allow Void to use his hand signs to leave reality since his speed should be on par with his, even Blast was able to interrupt Void until he was distracted. If the two were to fight hand to hand then Garou should easily out skill Void in combat.
next: Monster Association VS Black Clover Verse😄
blast actually saved the hero HQ but teleporting it out of the way of the dimensional slash...... idk whats the inconsistency about blast not dodging them now but yea maybe void has gotten faster than blast offscreen since that HQ incident
Garou wins because there is an argument that says he could and I'd prefer that outcome.
Means current saitama would one shot cosmic garou and most likely void he’s either kept the Jupiter power or has gotten so strong since the garou fight that they are literally on the level of crablante compared to him now
ive been watching satori since he had 5k subs
he is huge
I don’t think blast statements affect Jupiter garou but the gamma ray burst garou
I personally think that they are partially equal currently. I think most cosmic beings are equal but have unique sets of abilities individually. But who knows we will probably see more of EV that shows he is way above garou tho
And did one thought this series will explode? how will he expand on the universe of opm
There has been nothing stated to say that the jutsu that void uses inside of the causality of the universe that allows him to leave the causality of the universe is itself outside the causality of the universe. Meaning the flow of energy within void to create this jutsu should be attainable by me just from observing it once. Once outside the causality you can apply my understanding of the universe statement in a backwards way to say that once I am in a new universe/ dimension that behaves in a different way, then I can understand all of the forces within it.
I just don’t see how we can have someone like flashy flash react to the dimension slash but not me. I still believe that the reason flash reacted to it was because he touched the cube/ the hand of god which let him connect with the higher dimension. Evidenced by sonic not detecting the slash, blast detecting it, and saitama detecting it. As I also had this connection, in this theory there’s no way that I don’t react to, copy, or use another technique to counter the dimension slash. Even from outside of causality we see where the slash is coming from, I’ll just open a portal preemptively in the path of the blade then direct the other end of the portal up to void to hit him with his own attack.
People forget that I am a far better strategist than how I was portrayed in my cosmic fight against saitama, in that they had to dumb me down for the narrative, in actuality things go way differently, and I actually use the abilities I have at my disposal.
Also you can be enraged and not holding back, but not moving at the maximum speed. It's a common trope when character in silent rage is slowly walking towards the opponent
I assume Garou was not trying when fighting Blast, since CFG said Blast isn't worth his attention and latter was terrified
And immesurable/irrelevant speed is just not even funny, not only OPM is not works in the powerscaler brainrot way, manga clearly says that ignoring distance, energy and size is possible only to some extent (Void can pretend he is strong and have a big knife, but clearly can't chop Earth in half). The HA chopping still makes sense, because even though the DS speed is finite, it's still much faster than dust and rubble falling down. Also it doesn't say anything about ignoring time
14:27 Garou is no way near the level of Saitama, there is nothing that proves that. Post exponential growth Saitama was verbatim stated that he had reached a level where nobody can even fathom his power, this would mean narrator himself cannot fathom Saitama's power let alone Garou, Garou being relative to Saitama would not make sense. Especially since Saitama literally keeps passively becoming stronger, even without emotional amp as stated by narrator. So Saitama that fought EV should be way past the level of Saitama that fought Garou anyway.
So just because Saitama did not does in any way means Jupitar Garou can do that.
Yeah, People also forgot that Cosmic Garou got beaten by Saitama casually after time traveling, and his powers didn't got reset from the Reversal Causality since he now's trancends it
@@Trolololol123True, there is no reason for his power to lower down, nowhere was it even stated and on top of that he transcends causality.
Cosmic Empty Void is so broken. i mean, how can you hit someone in another dimension
Garou adapts to everything meanwhile Void can slash between realities.
Adaptation is bound to law of Causality, so Adaptation wouldn't work since Empty Void's Dimensional slash are from the outside the Causality of the Universes
Saitama grows passively btw without any push or fight even in the audiobook he beat himself from yesterday in one punch
Also void is stronger when in the higher dimension than when he's in the lower dimension
I believe Garou can't really copy dimensional slash. Sure he may enter hyperspace but in order to do dimensional slash you need Void's dimensional blades that he doesn't have
empty void vs rainhard van astre
demon king jachi(manga versus) vs meruem
mogami kaiji(mob psycho 100) vs dandadan verse
First “isn’t close” I’ve ever seen
Statements vs Feats ahh battle
0:31 the comeback lol
I’m sorry but this would just be wrong. Not only did he absorb cosmic garou’s powers, but he goes beyond the dimension whereas we only see garou only control dimension portals
Please do Empty Void vs the Narutoverse 🙏
Can they imprison him with a powerful jutsu or can an Uchiha use their fancy eyes on him?
Overkill, Empty Void's base form is enough
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I wouldn't know whether the desperation to lowball EV to below Garou stems from desperation to lowball the OPM verse compared to other notable fictional universes or some Garou fanboy sht...
Trying to debunk a literal statement from Blast is a terrible way to scale, like the writers didn't put those statements to make an impression?
Cosmic fear Garou wasn't taken seriously by Blast, who was on the defensive all through their encounter. Blast wasn't only faster but also more experienced to scale god avatars to logical precision given everything he saw from garou, his multiversal cosmic awareness, and his experience with void both past and present.
That aside, EV legit ate two black holes, could casually access a plane above the multiverse beyond blasts reach and casually wreak havoc with his dimension slash...there is no way cosmic fear garou is avoiding or blocking the dimension slash.
EV already scales above garou as he absorbed garou's cosmic power in addition to his own...cosmic fear garou's cosmic powers gave him the access to every feat he ever pulled off...he only had to keep exploring the power to harness its fullness, whereas this access is everything EV has and so much more....by nature and experience. Dude legit scales to above multiversal, whereas garou was barely multiversal...lol.
Now, the saitama that ragdolled Void, was above the level of the Saitama that zero punched Garou as he grows unnoticed with every passing time.
Saitama merged into one being...and its pathetic for anyone who isn't desperately trying to cap to claim that his elevated attributes in his encounter with garou somehow wasnt inherited by the current saitama and improved by his canonical nature.
The problem is dbz/marvel/dc fans trying to cap the opm universe below their favs while hiding under false pretense of scaling by feats and grossly misinterpreting compelling evidences by completely ignoring the Narrative.
Bisaed and flawed scaling at its peak!
EV >>> CFG
It is what it is....
I wonder if there will be a DBz fusion with Blast & Void?
Empty void>>>>>>>>>>>>>garou cosmic
isn't void 5d ? he even solo db 4d verse
Both of these characters are the same person.
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