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Omfg right?! I hate literally pennies of add ons(USB, cup holders, wireless charging) and people go crazy. Like even for cars: You're spending 50k for fucking wireless charging, but ignore there is no oil dipstick by all means...
I worked with truck drivers for 14 years in my last job and we had some conversations about electric trucks. They were open minded but curious about payload capacity. The more you can haul the more you can make and you don’t get paid for hauling fuel or batteries. The thing that least impressed them was acceleration, every driver said that acceleration like that would cause serious problems with cargo. These guys didn’t want a cool truck, they wanted a reliable truck that could haul a lot of cargo and didn’t cost a fortune to maintain.
Yeah that's the difference between professional grade and consumer grade. All these funny looking presentations mean nothing, if a tool is not working well. Workflow efficiency is key in professional environments, something Tesla never was good at. Their user base are manly nerds that don't care about it. Tesla's user base want something flashy and cool looking, not something that has to work in a predicable manner.
Pay is not always based on load weight. Sometimes it is based on need requirement. Nobody would haul big plastic drainage tubes that weight 2 tons a load if weight was the only factor.
And acceleration is hardly important. Jarring acceleration is also a problem with load shift. And tapping the accelerator too much in a cloverleaf exit could flip you.
crazy how you can be a truck driver for 14 years and not notice that the first thing thunderfoot said was a lie, does that tesla semi look like its only carrying 5 tons of concrete? thunderfoot fans are a special bunch.
Why is it the naysayers always first in line... There was a time when walking was technologically advanced and bicycles were they... Never going to happen without danger involved. Then of course there was the combustible engine... Never being viable until some dangerous were dressed. Bicycles and who could afford them were the norm... Only after the dangers of them were proven categorically wrong. So you went from walking to bicycling to combustible engines... Everything had its place in danger. Look at us now... People need to learn how to support instead of degrade. 😊
You know, i modded gta 5 cargo truck to be superfast as a Bugatti. The results is not so good, running for a mile i already destroy everyone in the highway
@@jameson1239 you can service a diesel engine and keep it running past 1,000,000 miles; you cant service a Li-ion battery, nvm get it to reach 1,000,000 miles, especially if its constantly being supercharged.
I recall when my father took me to see Austin Powers and Dr Evil said... and I quote... "one million dollars". Do you suppose Elon Musk will look more like Dr Evil in 10-20 years time?
His presentations remind me of those late night infomercials, were they talk for an hour on how wonderful a single big fluffy slipper is and how it will revolutionise your life .
EVs and hybrids do accelerate uphill better than most traditional engines. But the issue with trucks has never been that we all want them to be able to go faster and accelerate more swiftly. The issue with trucks is that they weigh phenomenally more than other vehicles and they are dangerous on the road, and making them more zippy would hardly address that. Plus, the uphill portion of any long haul trip tends to be a small percentage of the entire trip.
that is just 1 of the many changes so don't get too caught up. This is just a consequence of how electric motors work vs. diesel engines. It doesn't make or break a purchase.
Well it'll heat rail in some ways like near final or final destination delivery. But a whole row of tesla semis are going to need too many batteries compared to a handful of train engines hauling tons of train cars from one side of country to the other. Problem is also everything has to leave at same time and show up at same time.
The claim is insane anywhere in the world, but it's especially ridiculous in the US where typical freight trains are like 3 miles long with 200 - 300 cars, double stacked containers and shit.
i can, trucks are more mobile and can directly deliver to a facility instead of depot for distribution, the diesel engine paired with electric motors on the train is less efficient than a pure battery system.
@@odisy64except the average rail car can haul 286000lbs that’s 6.5 times more then the Tesla semi and the average cargo train carry’s 60 cars even if it’s less fuel efficient you would have to hire more drivers to carry the same amount of cargo as one train crew.
@@jameson1239 how much would it cost a for a train that personally delivers to every store and warehouse in your city? The extremely low cost of electricity compared to fossil fuels is what makes the Tesla semi so desirable, you can expect to save 200k every 3 years on maintenance and gas as a fleet owner. Over the course of the vehicles life you could save 1 million dollars.
@@odisy64 you have to pay your drivers and while semi truck drivers are cheaper at an average salary where I live of around 57000 dollars so it takes about 3.7 drivers to equal the cost of one train crew but one train car can haul as much as 6 Tesla semis and having multiple smaller things coming to one area can create bottlenecks vs one larger thing for example when I worked at Walmart we only had 3 loading bays so if we had any more then 3 trucks at a time they would have to wait to be unloaded which wastes time and money. Also keep in mind alot of freight goes from one distribution centre to another I will use another Walmart story as an example freight would come from overseas into Vancouver from where it gets sorted into freight for Walmart, Costco, and others from Vancouver the freight for Walmart would then be shipped to a distribution centre in Calgary where it will be sorted into freight for Walmart store X, Y, and Z and from there it will be sent to the individual stores on the west coast of Canada, it is only in the final leg of the journey that freight needs to potentially go directly to the stores every other part of the journey it’s simply going in between distribution centres.
@jameson1239 it's that final leg of the journey that makes train freights completely unavailable and semi trucks viable diesel or electric. You think it's just about salaries but it's not, the equipment is massively expensive and requires expensive maintenance, a regular semi truck can rack up 800,000$ in maintenance in it's lifetime. Most semi trucks travel less than 200 miles a day, local and regional deliveries is what the majority of what semi trucks do. This all comes down to cost, everything from efficiency, to salaries plays into what the market will choose Is better for profits or cost cutting.
It's important to note that mit-fuso had their eCanter class 3 truck on the road for a year before Elon announced the tesla semi, and that freightland has the eCascade class 8 truck on the road in the hands of customers right now. The difference is that they are both short range trucks, designed to be short range trucks, so they don't lose too much carrying capacity to lugging around a battery. So the eCanter goes like 115 miles which is more than most people drive a class 3 truck in a day and the eCascadia comes in a 150 mile version, a 210 mile high torque version and a 230 mile regular torque version.
That's the difference. They are being realistic and delivered. Musk is just trying to bullshit everyone and making false claims. I'm not a truck driver but i would imagine how fast a truck can get to 60 wouldn't be such a big priority as musk makes it out to be in a truck. surely load capacity is much more important.
And for short range hauls, it makes perfect sense. It's not that Elon's trucks won't work, the Fontus works, too. So does the WaterSeer, and the Morus, and the Energy Vault, and the EVscope - hell even the Solar Frickin Roadways work. It's that it's oversold for what it does. If Elon just presented the Testa truck as an electric alternative with realistic time frames instead of claiming it's the best thing since like evah, it would be alright. But, no, just like all other semi-scams promises, things that work but not really, it's always better, BETTER, *BETTER!* . And it's not just twice as good, it's not even 3 times, or 10 times, it's *ONEHUNDRED* times better!!!1 No, it has to have nuclear safe windows and BAMF performance. It's like _"As Seen On TV!"_ with God-like performances and literally unbelievable features that no-one needs but everyone wants.
@@VertexDigitalArts not sure if you ever worked for a boss, but you know, sometimes they ask you questions, especially during rnd, like how much weirght can it hold and so on. And you can't just turn around and walk away, you'll have to give an answer. And if your boss doesn't like the answer and asks "why so little?", you kinda have to tell him that those motors and batteries just ain't doing it.
faster acceleration, lower drag, cheaper fuel, way safer braking, quieter, better for environment. Tesla semi is way better for all other drivers on the road and people off the road, no need to wait 10 minutes for a truck to overtake another truck on the road or sit behind a slowly accelerating truck and the noise pollution is way less.
Solar panels on the trailer is a good idea given how much flat surface area it has. But then you consider the battery capacity and realize it would have to sit outside in the sun for a YEAR to maybe fill an empty battery once
N😂 N😂 N😂,I have it on a good reliable source that Elon is hard at work developing a robot that requires no maintenance. It will be the greatest boon to mankind. Made of high tension steel and extremely flexible. It will be called get ready. It will be forever known as the Slinky. Elon Smuck inspired. 😂
That's why if it breaks down before it should, they replace it. This is an advanced concept that many people who have never heard of the term "powertrain warranty" will not understand.
@@theredscourge the claim for transportation industry holds a different value than just a warranty you are talking about. Reliability is extremely important, being able to ensure to deliver the cargo on time is the important thing. What use is it to a company to get a replacement truck a week later when the one hauling the cargo breaks down?
It's not a metal fire though. The metals are bound aren't they? BYD can put nails through their lithium batteries without them going into thermal runaway
@@TBFSJjunior Yes, a fair point. The metals in the battery are in the form of LiCoO2. That compound oxidizes further when it burns. It still makes a hot fire.
Just saw video that said eCars fire take 40K to 50K gals of water to extinguish vs. 1K gals for conventional car fire. Vid also said an eCar fire can go to 5000 degrees vs 1800 deg for conventional car. I know the battery on the Boeing 787 caught fire ( 2 airplanes in about a week) and they had to revise the battery containment from steel to titanium.
Yes, I've heard horror stories of Lithium battery fires. Everything from 40,000 gallons needed to put out a Tesla fire, to them dragging Tesla into a trench filled with water, to the fire taking 30 days to finally go out completely to the point that it stopped flaring back up. I've seen videos of phones and e-cigarettes exploding in people's pockets. It's truly terrifying!! This is why I keep a green steel ammo box in the house for our Lithium batteries, as soon as we're not using / charging one anymore it goes in the ammo can until we can send it to the e-waste recyclers. Those things are WAY scarier than people assume!! Also, Lithium and Cobalt mining are terrible for the environment and promote slave labor-like conditions in the poorest countries. And Cobalt is really toxic.
A good option to reduce battery weight and charging times in long haul transport would be feeding the electricity via an overhead line or something like that. Driving along that line, one could reduce friction by using rails... aaaaaand you've got electric cargo trains!
They're already doing this in Germany. Semi has enough of a battery to get it to the highway and then rails lift up from the top of the truck to touch the overhead lines where it draws current
I have been a truck driver for over a decade, doing dry van, flatbed, and tanker work and I think you overlooked a few things in this video that I can bring some insight into (though I think you are still making mostly valid points). First, the fully laden flat bed (timestamp 10:30) that you compare the Tesla flat bed to is a different class of vehicle with a likely different legal hauling capacity. The tractor and the trailer in the image both have an extra axle (for a total of 7 axles), and in many cases they would be using this vehicle for "over gross" transport, which is very common in flat bedding in particular. This trailer pictured also only appears to be 40 feet in length, one of a few standard sizes in NA. The set of 3 axles are about 10 feet wide (tires are about 2.5 feet in diameter and spaced about 3 feet on center from one another) and although perspective makes it hard, it appears that maybe 2 or 3 more sets of 3 tires could fit in between the existing ones. So, between 50 or 40 feet from the front tire to the rear tire, minus about 4 feet because the trailer itself doesn't come all the way to the front tire. But, standard trailer sizes are either 40, 48 or 53, and it would seem that 48 and 53 would be a bit too long to make sense in this image. This means that the barriers that they list as about 1000 kg (2200 lbs) each are either 6 or 8 feet long, probably 6 feet though as 8 would take up the full length of the trailer and with the sloppy spacing would require some overhang on the front or rear which does not appear to be the case. And the common weights for 6 foot jersey barriers is 1100 kgs whereas 8 foot are usually around 1500 kgs. So, based on all this, this truck has a net weight of 53,000 lbs, leaving about 27,000 lbs (or more if it is indeed permitted over gross) for the weight of the truck and trailer. This all seems very reasonable. Now, the barriers pictured on the Tesla truck are longer than the ones on our other truck, a total of 10 feet each and about 4,000 lbs each. Almost twice the length and weight of the other truck. We can see this because the length of the trailer that is being pulled by Tesla is 53 feet because the truck it passes is also pulling a 53 foot trailer. The way the axles on the box trailer are configured only exists on 53' trailers. The axles on the trailer are only allowed to be a maximum of 40 feet back from the 5th wheel king pin under California law, but most other states allow them to be at any distance up to 53 feet. So, the axles on these kinds of trailers are actually moveable, which is why there is trailer skirting in front of the vans tires, but not behind because they will slide them back in other states for weight distribution purposes. So, you can see that if you estimate 10 feet per barrier that is 40 feet of cargo and 13 feet of empty space, or about half a barriers length at the front and rear of the trailer plus the small amount of space left between rows of barriers. It exactly matches what we see in the video. We now see that 11 barriers at 4,000 lbs each brings us to a net 44,000 lbs, leaving 36,000 for the truck and trailer. (Well, actually this is 38,000 because federal law allows semis with certain anti idle technologies to weigh and extra 2,000 lbs, and electric/electric hybrid vehicles qualify for this, which is why they state the vehicle is loaded at 82,000 lbs several times). Also, the Tesla trip is through California where the entire state has a truck speed limit of 55 mph while for cars it can be as much as 70 mph (iirc), so by default trucks are significantly slower. But, you also have to consider that a lot of people, truck drivers included, don't follow speed limits. It's entirely possible, and I'd argue plausible, that the Tesla was just following the speed limit while many many other trucks were going 58-60mph, as is very common practice.
Especially if they were going to video-tape the whole drive and post it publically - putting the truck driver's license at risk for providing video proof of violating the law on a public road.
Thank you. Those barriers were not 1000 lbs as claimed and the one picture he showed was no proof of anything, just trying to fortify his false theory. Then the false comparisons of battery packs to Diesel engine instead of cab/trailer weight to cab/trailer weight. Just another electric hater spreading FUD. It all sounds nice to people who don't know anything, but when someone who actually knows shows up, the FUD gets lit up.
German Engineer here. In my hometown of Stuttgart, Mercedes has addressed the dangers of EV-cars setting themselves on fire in a quite "unique" way. There is an old cargo-lift-shaft within the factory that is out of use today. If a car within the factory was to ever be on fire, the plan is to just hurl the burning car down the shaft, as there is almost no hope of extinguishing it within a reasonable time. Tldr: Metal fires are scary, thank you for coming to my TEDtalk.
Someone involved in the fire removal sector told me they have had to dump some EV's in water for 30 days because of the chain reaction. They may be getting a device that could extinguish the fires in 5 hours for the average EV battery.
@@SyntheticFuture bu.. but I hinted at the amazing backstory on how I grew up in Stuttgart - the hometown of the car - and from a young age aspired to one day be an engineer (that would dump EVs into shafts) Btw. I love the TED talk about nothing. It perfectly illustrates the bs and rethoric that goes into a TED talk.
I'm amazed that they didn't hyper-focus on that paint job!! Who ever saw a paint job like that?! Well, maybe they didn't want to call attention to the shoddy paneling.... 😆
Basic calculation error or pure lies from thuderfoot, barriers he bases he calulations on are 6.5 feet long, end to end on that trailer makes it 26 feet long... standard flatbed size is 48 to 53 feet. Standard jersey barrier shown are 10 feet long, which these are, they are 4000 ib each or 2 tons. So that semi is hauling 22 tons, not 5. Dont know if mistake or lies
I drive an EV (not a Tesla) and cannot fathom how a semi would function in brutal real-world winter conditions. 500 miles is nothing. When these batteries get in sub zero (or even freezing) temperatures, that range is going to drop. Also, what about the energy to produce the climate control for the cargo?
Well when you start talking perishables I guess when you start hauling a reefer with a Tesla your load limit will be I don’t know 10,000 pounds so now you’ll need eight trucks or four trucks to do the trip of one yeah it’s not hard to do the math here somebody’s ass is sucking air and a lot of people that made investments and I hope they didn’t invest their life savings are about to find out just how much they’re gonna lose well this guy lives high off the hog oh that’s right your hog it’s your money you gave them ha ha ha ha happy returns but remember you have to sell a vehicle Make money
You know you just gotta listen to this idiot talk for about 10 minutes about a truck and you already know he knows exactly nothing he has no idea what he’s even talking about a glorified salesman stealing peoples money to invest in a bunch of I don’t know what junk
@@aaronerickson8878 but it doesn't..if anything truck runs more efficient..many guys add fuel coolers to their trucks because it runs better..now that depends on how extreme the temp is outside..but drop is almost insignificant
Of course we already had short range electric delivery trucks 40 years ago. They were called “milk floats” and were used (in the U.K. at least) to deliver milk (and dairy products) to people from their local dairy.
I remember the electric milk float delivering our small bottles of milk (I think 1/3 pint) to my school in the 1960's - HA - and then leaving it out in the sun - no refrigeration. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
The Unbreakable glass was the best, imagine being in an accident with obstructed doors and the rescue crews can never get you out while you burn to death...
don’t forget neuorlink is “ready for humans” and is “coming in 6 months” “just waiting on approval” I can’t wait for 2030 when he comes out with a sound activated robo arm that can give a thumbs up when you clap
I've always been baffled how those big ass screens in Tesla's are even legal. They're a huge distraction and can be a real problem for night vision glaring in your field of view all the time. And this thing has 2.
@@tpike32 There absolutely IS a setting to dim the screen. You’ve just never read the freaking manual and found out where the setting is. What year and model is your Chevy? I guarantee I’ll find the setting for you in less than 45 minutes.
@@xNYCMarcnope . If you look up at the Chevy forum . Lots and lots of complains . And I think a possible lawsuit against GM. The dash will dim but not screen
I'm no big rig driver but I did drive full size, fully loaded work trucks fir a living at one time. The words "badass acceleration, and looks badass " was never really my concern. It was making sure I didn't lose control of this dangerous muti ton machine.
@@thomaswilson2917 because diesels have no other form of braking? I haven't ever lost my brakes either. What electric trucks are currently being used with heavy loads, so we can have a true test of the technology? I am sure many other technologies looked perfectly fine until they were used in the real world
I’m a driver and I cringed when seeing the braking for the first time, then you exactly described how I felt about it. This is just dangerous, you could end up with the freight in the cabin, in a worst case scenario (at least the cabin has a lot of empty space for that purpose).
I'm reminded of the night I was driving home from a gig, came to a stop sign and braked, and that's when my guitar case slid forward and hit me in the back of the head.
It will be the best drag truck ever. Also, I believe one of the main reasons trucks are usually required to drive slow isn't because they can't go fast, it's just that you don't really want something so heavy to drive around fast, for security reasons.
I'm gonna press x to doubt - after all, drag trucks have been a thing for a while now, and those would literally blow a Tesla semi off the track - particularly those with rocket engines.
@@MrAranton I will offer up the Waltzing Matilda jet truck from all the way back in 1979 as an example to back up your comment. The Bandag Bullet was a tire shredder from the 1980's that would also prove your point and appease anyone who thinks jet trucks don't count.
Ya most trucks we deal with weigh between 31-34000 lbs with the trailer in them. A tanker Holds 6000 gallons of oil which weighs about ~45000 lbs so ya
I HAVE DONE THE MATH: These barriers are from pro cast products Jersey Barriers 12 feet long version. Look up images of them, they are identical! And it also matches the total length of the flatbed being between 48-53 feet long According to the info sheets, they weigh approx 4680 lbs per piece, which means the total carrying capacity of the semi is 11*4680 = 51 500 lbs = 23 metric tons
@@andreasgravrok9421 You wouldn't need to speculate if the vaporware salesman talked less about coat hangers, wireless charging and cup holders. But what do I know those barriers? Probably same as you: jack sh*t
The Tesla apologists just need to keep in mind, if Tesla actually provided numbers for all these questions, people wouldn't have to be looking at videos and doing napkin calculations.
Two things: 1) The barriers are 8ft long and weighing about 3575 lbs(1621.6 kgs) each, not 525 kgs. So that's 18 tons of payload, not 6. 2) Not all applications require haulage of 20 tons over 800 miles. There are numerous applications where the cargo volume is high but it's weight is well below 20 tons and the delivery location is much closer. Like in warehousing and logistics. The semi is perfect for these applications.
@@exterminator4808 how do you know, how much they weigh? Why wasn't is specified in the presentation? To your second point, sure, trucks do not always haul maximum cargo to maximum range, still don't see how Tesla Semi is better than normal trucks, on shorter distances. The only advantage of TS over a regular truck is it's acceleration and only in short term. No one cares about it in logistics.
@@tomaszj8605 True, acceleration is irrelevant for the semi. And Tesla not being forthcoming about the Semi's specifications raises significant doubts about the truck's capabilities. Weight of the barriers: the TS has a length of 21 feet and using scaling, you can calculate that the barriers are 8 ft long at least. Some people are claiming them to be 10 ft but let's be conservative. Now a plain concrete Jersey barrier of 8 ft weighs 3675 lbs.This barrier has a height of 32" and using scaling I found that the barriers on the TS have a height of 3', well over 32". So this brings me to the conclusion that the TS is carrying ATLEAST 18 tons of payload. Which is not nothing compared to a payload capacity of 20 tons for a class 8 truck. How is the TS better than a diesel semi for shorter distances: it's better because it's cheaper to run(fuel costs way more than electricity) and it has no GHG emission. Plus it can make use of regenerative-braking which is a "game changer" as per some Pepsi employees. Conventional trucks don't have any of these. Plus, EVs are different and hence simpler to maintain compared to ICE vehicles because of fewer moving parts. Same is true for trucks and is more significant in logistics as a broken truck means lost income.
Rail can work autonomously, many do. Them trucks have to have a driver or big accidents result, how Elon can say it is better than rail when rail ways haul more cargo and don't require someone to constantly be in the driver's seat is beyond me.
True, and TF misses this inmportant point, only comparing Musk's truck with a diesel truck. Unfortunately however, in the UK the taxation system makes trucks massively more economical than rail except for some marginal flows. That's why the roads here are stuffed up with trucks : why the heck would someone want even more of them?
They might be energy efficient but they're terrible for time efficiencies, so if you can get a truck closer to a train's efficiency then economically it can be better. Most people want express freight and meat has to be, i would pick up meat in the afternoon and it needed to be 900 km away early in the morning to be processed and distributed. Trains need trucks to pick up and deliver and also take a long time to load. It costs to have drivers sit in a queue, you then need a constacker to load and unload and if you're running a reefer, it is burning fuel that whole time too.
Speaking as a truck driver, it'd surprise you how important the drink holder and phone support are. Standing up to change in the cabin sounds good when it's raining.
Which of the two would be sacked due to downsizing in a company that lost half it's stock value in a year. Volvo the cup holder guy, Tesla the other one.
@@thamesmud I'd just like to mention that the cupholder huy at Volvo is probably fine and doing a great job. Had a bit of a ride in one recently and my coffe was steady as a leaf on a still lake.
When the Ordinary family purchase the car to take the kids to school, the cup holder is probably more important in their buying decision than the battery chemistry.
Even if they don't have restrictions on where they can go it's gonna be hell on the roads. Not very helpful for the world. They need another axle just for the weight of the truck.
I was always told bull sh**ers got found out eventually but unfortunately in life my experience has been quite the opposite. They appear to reach the top and prosper.
@@bc-guy852 Well they eventually got found out. Unfortunately most don't and they sail off into the background with all their money leaving a disaster behind them.
The funny thing is: at IAA, one of the most important events for the cargo industry globally, Mercedes announced the eActros. They didn't talk about its cabin, because it is an Actros, people already know the Actros, so no Cup holder talk. They said that on a 40 metric tons composition (2 axle semi + 3 axle trailer), the eActros LongHaul has 500 km of range, which is quite good, since it is about what a European truck drives each day.
Yes well that's the difference between an auto manufacturer and a hype company wanting a loan by way of a deposit for something they haven't worked out how to make yet.
@@crocodile2006 the presentation was interesting, especially the part where the e-Actros prototype has a 250 Kilometer (155 miles) to 350 Km (217 miles) range, compared to the Tesla’s demonstrated 500 MILE (800 Km) range.
@@americanrambler4972 still, Mercedes announced the truck for the transport industry. They talked about relevant things to truck buyers. You, know. Operaton costs, efficiency and things like that. Not cup holders a wireless charging. The eActros LongHaul seems like a realistic product, while the Tesla semi still has that concept/prototype ethos around it.
@@raphaelrodrigues1645 Literally showed photos of cup holders... wireless phone chargers and called them "30 Special features". Take the L. BTW... mentioning cup holders for like 5 seconds out of a 1 hour presentation and then pretending thats what Elon focused on is a joke. I noticed ThunderFail failed to mention the 1MW Semi Chargers coming out so I'm wondering if he even bothered watching it at all... or maybe he's just cherry picking bits he thinks helps his patreon numbers while ignoring actual detail.
Call me crazy, but if they replaced the battery with some kind of smooth metal road and wires that could conduct electricity, this electric truck idea just might work... they could even make it a bunch more powerful and link several cargo containers together behind it 🤔
@@mylesgray3470 Sounds like the most energy-efficient way to move things on land. Trains were so ahead of their time when they were first built. And even today, on land, they're simply impossible to beat.
I worked as a truck driver for 45 years, and just one more thing we should mention is - Timeing- when you're in the big cargo delivery business, time is everything , if you get pay by the mile or by the hour and if you're just a few minutes late depending on your drap zone they may be a line of trucks in front of you and on and on and on , when it comes to big semi truck deliveries it's all about Timeing and the last thing you need is to stop for hours to charge your battery -yes you can have charging stations at truck stops but when you're on a schedule you want to make it to the next truck stop it could be because it's more convenient better showers food exetera exetera and that maybe a miles away.
18:55 They probably had to drive the truck so slowly because the 500Mi range goal was so tight that they had to coast as much as possible and keep air drag at a minimum to have a good chance of reaching it.
There is also a better explaination: trucks drivers tend to go faster than the allowed limit. The 500 miles range has probably been set with the allowed speed, which makes sense and is honest. But many will prefer the "Elon lied" option
Yeah, range is exactly what I thought of when they described the truck "accelerating up the 6% incline." I'm like, sure, it can probably do that, but for how many miles?
@@aaronrobinson2121yeah my electric go cart used to stop going up hills first when the battery was dying. You had to get off of it and push the throttle to get the motor to help being it up the hill of a driveway I lived on. I imagine the Tesla truck works similarly. Probably a wonderful truck in Kansas. I don’t think it’s nearly as wonderful when the batteries are dying in West Virginia
I'm not a car guy, but I just twigged to Musk bragging about how his imaginary future-truck will go 0-60 in five seconds with or without a trailer. Wouldn't that mean that, like... showing my ignorance here I know, but that would mean the engine has a huge amount of torque, or something? Motor can only go so fast and added weight limits the speed and torque adds power to pull the additional weight? Wouldn't a motor built with a stupid amount of torque like that just... explode? Like a dragster pulling nothing would just tear itself to pieces?
@@EdwardHowton I'd swear he claimed in that reveal that it had the same acceleration regardless of load. That's either a lie or it really reveals how much the vehicle weighs. Also, a comparable diesel tractor can accelerate pretty damn fast without a trailer behind it.
I love the scene where it was passed by a FedEx truck. FedEx trucks are pretty much the slowest thing on the road. What is also not being stated here is that most company trucks are governed. The truck I drive is governed at 70mph, which is one of the fastest governed trucks in the industry. There are some faster, but there are many others that are slower. Even with my truck governed at 70, I could haul that little bit of weight (that was on the Tesla) up a 6% grade pretty fast with the Detroit DD15 that turns the wheels, and I sure as heck wouldn't have to use my 30-minute break filling it up for a measly couple hundred miles more of driving. I'd love to see the Tesla Semi up against a bull-hauler. They have some of the fastest trucks on the road, and their trucks ACTUALLY look good. No Tupperware curb sniffers for those guys! An all-electric truck is a great idea. I just don't think the battery tech, or the infrastructure, is there yet.
The speed limit for trucks in California, where this trip happened, is 55 MPH. They aren't going to film themselves breaking the law just to show the truck going "fast". Also, "that little weight" was over 40,000 lbs. This guy gave BS numbers in his "estimate" of what those barries weigh. I used to haul those barriers and 10-12 was a full load.
I'm very well aware of the speed limit in commiefornia. I also know that CHP doesn't care until you're going 63 or over. I'd have to rewatch the video to see where where they're doing the test drive. I'm not sure why they'd be doing it in commiefornia when the Tesla plant is in Texas, but I'll accept your assertion that it's there. As for the weight of the load, I don't remember how many jersey barriers were on the truck. And again, I'm not going to rewatch the video. So, I'll concede that you are 100% correct with your assessment.
As a former flatbed truck driver, the first thing I noticed was the hump in the trailer bed. This is how they look empty or lightly loaded. If that was a typical 40 - 50 ton deck load, it would flatten that hump out. And that is an aluminum trailer too, which are lighter. And flatbed trailers are max 48 feet. If I had this rig with a diesel Mack, it would hit about 30,000 to 32,000 lbs. empty.
Basic calculation error or pure lies from thuderfoot, barriers he bases he calulations on are 6.5 feet long, end to end on that trailer makes it 26 feet long... standard flatbed size is 48 to 53 feet. Standard jersey barrier shown are 10 feet long, which these are, they are 4000 ib each or 2 tons. So that semi is hauling 22 tons, not 5. Dont know if mistake or lies
@@Grauenwolf i can only work on basic math and size estimates, also the height of the barriers he is using in his example woukd make the semi 7 ft tall
@@gypsyemperor7535 We know that it can't be done. Volvo has one of those semi with real working numbers. And they use only 6 battery packs for up to 200 mile range with 1/3 of the diesel load. Google Volvo VNR electric. And if you look at their presentation, it's specific design for city/local hauls and it has all the info trucking companies need.
Wireless charging is useful for vehicles. I wish my electric car did that. Think about it. I park and I charge without thinking about it. If you embedded electric cables in the road: you could charge as you drive.
Collision avoidance is commonplace in fleet trucks, including lane departure warnings. They will slow down and speed up according to the speed of the vehicle in front. Many have cameras watching the road and the driver, and will save a recording for 30 sec. before any incident to after. But they won't keep you from changing lanes. And up the hill fast on battery will shorten the distance you are going to go before recharge.
@Brandon Letzco Yes that's why that demo with the fast acceleration is horseshit, people who buy trucks want efficiency they want as many trucks on the road as possible making them back their money. I watched a fantastic video about Scania and the things they do to eek out the tiniest savings on fuel. There is this little hiccough with brexit where trucks can be stuck for hours in lorry parks waiting for paperwork to be checked. To avoid that down time where they won't be making money Ireland has added fifty something new ferry and shipping routes to Europe bypassing britain and the british land bridge. See there's this thing truckers do where they deliver a load and they pick up a different load for the return. This would not possible with even a two hour charge time.
"And up the hill fast on battery will shorten the distance you are going to go before recharge." No not really, only the normal aero drag difference of speeds. Going up the hill slow still requires you to overcome the same rolling resistance and gravitational losses. You are using more power to do it, but because you do it more quickly the energy expended is the same. But it's an interesting question. Diesel engines are more efficient under load, so as long as you don't overdo it, going uphill isn't as bad as pure physics suggests it should be. But electric can regen on the downhill.
They have a name for a long convoy of shipping containers…it’s called a train! The purpose of 18 wheelers is when you need to separate cargo into smaller units that need to go to different locations once they are off the cargo ship and/or train! I hear people talking about how you could have a chain of big rigs on the highway with just a couple operators to deal with maintenance and managing loading/offloading etc. and I just want to show them a picture of a train 🤣
There are pro rail people being equally as delusional. Haven't found any ship people yet. I am waiting to be told electric cargo planes are the answer.
@communist754 that maybe true But change and efficiency are important as well That tesla semi demonstration was nothing but a staged horse and pony show that why the muskrat was tight lipped of the important details and only talking fluff about the phone charge cup holders and all the crap we don't care about If the tesla semi cannot do the same job as the diesel equivalent then it's useless doing long distances The tesla semi would be suitable for port terminal operations transporting sea containers and short distance in a metro area or country runs
The difference between a chain of trucks, and a train are: the trucks can all get off at different exits, and drive up to the customers dock. Train cars generally don't do that.
I've never been a professional driver, but I did buy a pickup truck, to pull my RV. One of the key metrics I had to know ahead of time was the maximum towing weight, as well as the maximum combined vehicle weight and other related numbers. At no point did I worry about what the 0 to 60 time was for the truck, especially while towing. There have been a (very) few times I've punched it, pulling onto a crowded freeway, so I was at freeway speed by the end of the acceleration lane and could readily merge, but the great majority of the time, I time it to where that's not needed. I've also never had an interest in wireless charging for my phone in the truck. One other thing I am interested in is extended range. And...Thunderf00t covers that. OK. Another win for diesel. Operating long-haul trucks on coal power (indirectly through the electric grid and batteries) just isn't practical. Maybe one day it will be.
That fast acceleration is going to rapidly wear out kingpins. Nothing like a rig taking off from the lights and having a fully loaded trailer decouple.
Basic calculation error or pure lies from thuderfoot, barriers he bases he calulations on are 6.5 feet long, end to end on that trailer makes it 26 feet long... standard flatbed size is 48 to 53 feet. Standard jersey barrier shown are 10 feet long, which these are, they are 4000 ib each or 2 tons. So that semi is hauling 22 tons, not 5. Dont know if mistake or lies
US transportation does use trains a lot for freight transport. Their passenger rail service is an absolute joke, but for long-distance freight, rail is just cheap. Then you use trucks at the end to move stuff from the rail depo to whereever it needs to be.
My biggest problem is that these are rolled out as the solution to every problem. No wonder our groceries are getting more expensive if upper management is buying these at Woolworths and Coles... Rail may even be the limited use case of these trucks as short-range rail delivery vehicles from the train station...
Basic calculation error or pure lies from thuderfoot, barriers he bases he calulations on are 6.5 feet long, end to end on that trailer makes it 26 feet long... standard flatbed size is 48 to 53 feet. Standard jersey barrier shown are 10 feet long, which these are, they are 4000 ib each or 2 tons. So that semi is hauling 22 tons, not 5. Dont know if mistake or lies
funniest part, all this shilling about speed or acceleration, yet volvo holds world record for fastest truck. they didnt even try to beat that diesel one first
@@gypsyemperor7535 For all we know, they were made out of papier mache! It's a publicity stunt, the purpose of which is to pump a stock price. That's it.
@@icemanhunter1 Let me see... So it was a saturday, during winter, day number was even and 2022 was not a leap year... hm. Yeah, I think it's approximately 1.6 - √64 / 5.
Must have been so cringe for the few people in the audience not totally high on the vaporware promises to see 99% around you cheering happily and entirely uncritically.
I feel compelled to mention that when your comparing the picture of the fully loaded flatbed vs the Tesla truck you aren't comparing apples to apples. There are two extra axles under the comparison truck which equals roughly 18k more carrying capacity than a standard 5 axle truck and trailer that most people think of when they think about a semi tractor/trailer combo. The 'magic' 80k number is basically what you can weigh on top of 5 axles and drive coast to coast. Every state has different weight laws and allowable axle/trailer combinations and sometimes rules for wheelbase too. What I don't see being discussed is the reality that many of these trucks can accelerate much faster than they normally do. Why do they lazily take off from the light and gain speed so incredibly slowly when your late for work behind them? Because acceleration and energy use are directly related. Good truckers aren't racing to they're delivery or their next load, they're carefully navigating using their truck like tool in the most efficient way they know how to minimize the amount of money that goes back in the tank, or in worn out parts. Now I'm absolutely sure that making it to the top of the mountain first is fun, but it's really hard on parts and fuel mileage. Do we really want 80k lbs to accelerate like a 13 second drag car? Hell no, and here's why. The Tesla truck uses the exact same brake components as a diesel truck. Products made by Bendix haldex and meritor. These have extremely well understood performance characteristics and pushing the forces outside of what is currently the industry standard will cause problems. Elon seems to think that a semi is just a larger car, and it should perform like his little toy cars. The reality is he has no idea about the forces involved and what a real trucker wants, and I don't think his engineers do either.
His Engineers probably know, but loose their Jobs if they speak up to his perceived Genius. And yes I know of the Irony of writing this with that Channel Name
Federal law prevents States from enforcing vehicle weight limits on Interstate highways that deviate from established Federal weight limits and specific exceptions. According to these provisions, "the United States Secretary of Transportation shall withhold 50 percent of appropriated funds from a State that sets weight limits for Interstate travel that are higher or lower than the standard Federal limits for Interstate highways, with some exceptions" (23 U.S.C. §127[a]).
Then they would get their money back, no big deal. But they don't do that, because they want the trucks. These trucks will only get more expensive from here on out.
@@DmitriyLaktyushkin They will get as expensive as they are worth, companies and owner/operators will do precise calculations once the real world data comes in.
Northrop Gruman: "The payload of the B-21 is 30,000-40,000 lbs. The range is classified for national security reasons but we can strike any target anywhere in the world without being seen." Tesla: "Cargo carrying whatnow? What's that? Guffaw, never heard of THAT before!! Range?? Oh I dunno.... a bunch probably. Good stuff, batteries, 4 motors, CUP HOLDERS GUYS!! CUP HOLDERS IN CAD!!" One of these companies is not like the other.
OMG! YES! Cup holders designed in CAD... with Bluetooth... as Howard said from "Big Bang Theory": Everything is better with Bluetooth! Oh, and thermoelectric heater/coolers in those cup holders too.
@@yuriib5483 Yes, I can see lot lizards giving up on the sex trade and start to hook up drivers with charging spots because the truck stops won't be able to handle a 100 trucks charging at several hours (over night) at a time. Imagine the huge power substations truck stops will need. I can see people hawking truckers to drive to their houses for a charge overnight at a fee less than the truck stops will charge, those power substations cost millions to put in... electricity at truck stops alone will skyrocket to pay for it all. It would be a nice side hustle. My house is wired with two 200 AMP feeds, I only use one right now, I can charge 2 trucks per 8 hours with the 2nd 200 Amp feed. Maybe I can even renovate and put in a Crash Pad (like they have for airline crews). Crash pads are tiny private rooms (6 x 8 feet) to get up to 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep - some with their own toilet and showers, you charge by the hour and it is cheaper than motels ... you make a killing on the volume. 3 turn arounds per day per room. They make their own beds, they have a bed and pillow, a desk, chair, TV, and free internet, they use their own cell phones but I can have a payphone too. They usually have a common kitchen stocked with vending items. The God fearing truckers can even go to a local church and then have a real Sunday dinner at the Crash Pad with us. I forgot to point out, long haul truckers may not be able to sleep in their rigs anymore (especially in the winter months) because it will slow down charging and/or run down their batteries. So Crash Pads will become popular. I drew up a floor plan of what a deluxe Crash Pad "Pod" would be like. I figure US$3 an hour with an 8 hour max stay per visit. One pod alone can take in $72 a day, plus $60 a day for three 8 hour charges (after the truckers pay me for their electricity used).
One thing not many people have touched on is the driver position in the middle instead of on the side. I would be interesting to see them back into a tight dock without leaning out the window. I have to lean out the window on a daily basis at my job when backing. It helps with depth perception when knowing where the back of the trailer is in relation to the one next to it. Often at the places I go to there is only a gap of 6” between trailers and not much room to setup.
@@GuusJanssen You have to cut some Tesla owners some slack... They aren't exactly the smartest bunch of society, considering they fell for one or more hyped marketting strategies of mister Musk. Same goes for Apple product owners. Or any "Pay more for Less functionality" products out there that has a cult following.
if you get sick the truck will also take care of your family and pets, mow your lawn and all from it's own pocket. you should really get a Tesla semi. not because it's a good truck but because it's got office on board.
I took a minute and looked up "prop concrete barriers". The kind used on a movie set. These look exactly like real concrete barriers but are made of balsa wood and fiberglass. They weigh about 25 pounds each. Of course Musk would never lie about using fake loads in his demonstration. Musk always tells the truth. And so do I.
I was pausing and looking at those barriers too, they looked fishy. They were stark white, not the color of concreate, but the corners where chipped and where it was chipped it was still stark white, should've seen the concrete under the white paint showing through. They looked like props to me too.
(Disclaimer, I'm not a Musk fan) but I think assumptions are foolish here, despite his previouslies. The barriers match the dimensions of standard 10ft ones, which weight 4000lbs, matching Tesla's claims on the surface. Also, if companies like Pepsi are already buying these I would think they'd have tested weight loads themselves.
five years ago, musk announces an electric truck with drive assistant. 5 years later, he delivers an electric truck without drive assistance, less cargo and less range. meanwhile volvo unveils their new drive assistant with "the epic split"... wait, damn, that was 9 years ago xD
Wow, that acceleration is going to change the game. I mean if only we already had specialized roads for long distance travel. Perhaps using on ramps and off ramps that allow for merging in and out of fast moving traffic without stopping and starting constantly. We could've called it an "interstate highway".
I'm surprised thunderfoot got it wrong on the concrete barrier weight thing. They appear to be 10 footers, which are 4000-4400 lbs each. That would make it have a similar payload to a normal truck. All his other points make a lot of sense (except I think truckers actually value things like ergonomics, cup holders, phone charger/holder, being able to stand up - certainly don't value acceleration though lol). I'm not a braindead tesla fanboy, just an engineer looking for the truth!
To be fair, this is Elon Musk we're talking about, so there's a non-zero chance that all the barriers were styrofoam and the weight he mentioned was mostly batteries.
Hang on, can we just take a moment to point out the one good thing here that others should do? The cup holders. For the love of god everyone should go find some cups at Walmart, target, Amazon best sellers, fast food places and put it in CAD to make sure the damn cups fit! I'm so tired of cups not fitting 😂
you would love my modification to the cupholder of the 90s Corolla/Prizm. Best cup holders out of everything I've used.... Just add a couple of dollar store cozies to fill the gaps, as need, for when putting small sodas(fast-food, cans, & bottles) in them. Without them, the cupholders handle powerade bottles and most medium or bigger drinks just fine.
If I caught my engineers drawing a bunch of cups in CAD while they have a truck interior to make, I’d fire their asses. Loading cups in CAD is useless, what you want is the opposite, to bring the cupholder to reality (by 3D printing for example) and test it.
Quick google of 10 foot Jersey concrete barriers said that it weights 4000 lbs (2 ton) each. I’m not saying that the blocks in the Tesla promo video are those exact blocks, but 1000lbs each might be a bit of a under estimate.
Yeah, his math was completely off. You can see just from eyeballing it that they are more than 0.5m. If those are .5m , then the truck would be 1m wide. Those are the massive barriers, 2 ft wide and roughly 4ft high
Those are 10ft Jersey barriers, they weigh about 4000 lbs, there’s 11 of them on the truck… there’s 44k pounds on the truck; the entire thing weighs 81k, therefore the truck itself with a trailer weighs 37k… Not too much more than a conventional cab. I honestly can’t watch this guy anymore… he says things I can personally verify as false (like this), makes me wonder about things I can’t… I wasn’t a believer of the Tesla Semi, I thought it would be almost impossible for it to reach its 500mi goal, and if they did it would be either mostly downhill or the thing empty would weigh so much it’s be pointless… But anything short of those barriers being styrofoam or something equally ridiculous… that clip along with showing the data from their Fremont to San Diego trip is all I needed to know. These trucks are now in the hands of actual drivers. If it can’t haul more than 11k pounds then we would certainly hear about it.
@@Fetidaf Right. His schtik is popular, but trying to 'bust' too many things leads to this sort of nonsense. Personally I find the dripping condescension just too much to bear, even if he does say interesting things sometimes. Essentially you are much better off watching 'Real Engineering' who I have never detected being anything other than scrupulous with the facts.
@@xxwookey Creating controversy is intentional. It drives more comments & engagement, which means more $$ in TFs pocket. He's a cynical, money-grubbing eyeball miner.
This is probably the first video containing so much clips of a Tesla presentation and the only thing I am left with as a feeling is this: The crowd is either filled with investors or people payed to cheer or it is post-production sound effects. But mostly the whole thing comes over as: "I can't believe I'm getting away with lying this much!"
Here's some real numbers from my Freightliner Cascadia. Tractor weight full of fuel is 19,880lbs. Range with 200 gal on board: Varies with load but 1000-1400 miles. Time to fill from 1/8 of a tank 8-12min. Max truck gross weight 52k. With my permits I can go up to 99k lbs gross combined (truck and trailer). 0-60 loaded to 83k lbs: 56 sec. Number of wireless chargers.....0. Electrification makes sense in short run deliveries, but the cost of chargers, sub stations and the like would take many years to see a cost benefit. Not to mention the possibility of electricity costs going sky high. I'd have no issues driving an electrified semi, but it has to make sense.
You can do 0-60 in 5 seconds? Great. And do the words "shifted load" mean anything to you? It's pointless. Most trucks spend almost all their time cruising in quite a narrow speed range, not racing at the lights because .... You don't want your load damaged...
You also don't need to be chewing out tyres and kingpins at a faster rate, either. Logistics is already tight for profits. Anything that raises expenses (increased rate of parts replacement) is going to kill that small profit margin. Also seems that instead of rolling (and making money), these rigs are going to sitting around for long periods of time gobbling up electricity.
0:25 AHAHAHAH!! Yeah, reminds me of a couple of years ago, I worked for a company and the trucks were governed at 67mph. Other trucks would constantly fly past. One time I got a load in LA from 3M. I looked at the BOL and it was air filters, I think it was 5 or 6 tons, going to Oregon. Man I had so much fun blowing by almost ever other truck going up the mountains on I-5 just after Redding, CA!!! That's what that bit of video reminds me of! Non-truck drivers seldom understand how much uphill performance is affected by the weight of the load. 3:48 "BUILT AROUND THE DRIVER!" Man this pisses me off so much!!!! They take away the only thing that makes life on the road bearable -- your little bit of living space (berth), and claim it's "BUILT AROUND THE DRIVER"?!?? Outrageous! I mean I've had some pretty good memories of kicking back after my shift in the berth, cooking something, watching TV or getting online, even extracurricular adult activities! I am telling everyone now, this truck is dead in the water for long haul (OTR) if they don't have a berthing. That berthing, as modest as it is, is your home. And without it, you'd have to spend $150/day on hotels and crumby restaurant food.
You never worked for a company. You'd have to have had a legitimate job in your life first. Simping for Phil and chugging white man sea men for money and cigarettes do not count as employment boy!
who needs a bed if you're expecting your other shitty engineering team to deliver tesla bots for drivers? you know the one who looked like it shit its pants just by standing around, let alone driving the truck from the other shitty engineering team.
I've seen some pretty nice berths on trucks, and I'm no trucker. Having something like that is just common sense, to me. Keeps costs down because of no hotel, and it's obviously better than not having an area to just relax on breaks.
Basic calculation error or pure lies from thuderfoot, barriers he bases he calulations on are 6.5 feet long, end to end on that trailer makes it 26 feet long... standard flatbed size is 48 to 53 feet. Standard jersey barrier shown are 10 feet long, which these are, they are 4000 ib each or 2 tons. So that semi is hauling 22 tons, not 5. Dont know if mistake or lies
This is probably the only economical usage of the Tesla semis, carrying bulky light cargo like empty containers, toilet paper, chips and things of that nature
Two things: 1) The barriers are 8ft long and weighing about 3575 lbs(1621.6 kgs) each, not 525 kgs. So that's 18 tons of payload, not 6. 2) Not all applications require haulage of 20 tons over 800 miles. There are numerous applications where the cargo volume is high but it's weight is well below 20 tons and the delivery location is much closer. Like in warehousing and logistics. The semi is perfect for these applications.
@exterminator4808 so you are supporting a technology that is worse than the current 🤣 Typical Tesla fanboy, living in denial. What an absolute muppet..
@@drill_fiend1097 Yes, Musk seems to like redesigning what is already done and just has not been able to do any of it better. Robotics are years behind other groups, etc. Yet he manages to do the hype part and get investors and governments to keep giving him cash.
Hey thunderf00t, engineering explained gives a very different math for the cargo capacity. He did a video (6 days ago) that claims the cargo capacity isn't going to be too much lower than a regular truck. He claims a diesel truck weighs ~17000 lbs, while you claim it is ~double at 20 tons or 40000 lbs. The two numbers are nowhere close. He thinks the battery pack in the Tesla truck should weigh ~10-12K lbs. And that electric trucks have an added 2K pounds allowed weight limit. And the engines which weigh just ~4K in a regular truck could be lower in an electric one. So the math mostly checks out and the cargo capacity is nearly the same for both (slightly lower for Tesla of course, but not 4 times lower as you claim here).
Honestly the way i look at if the carry weight wasn't bad or was comparable to an ICE semi they would have been blasting it everywhere but they intentionally avoid talking about weight only mentioning the gcm
I love how they brag about bringing in various real world objects into CAD to test the sizing of their cupholders, which is something basically all companies do for all sorts of things, like truck trailers, railcars, car trunks, etc.
When they do that with people it's called "Ergonomics" and it's been a technique used ever since an ancient Sumerian said "Here, sit on the ground. I'll draw around you in the sand and that can be how big our chariot is going to be!" It's hardly new! 😆
On the "Engineering Explained" Channel he made a 44000lbs cargo estimates, which would be on the lower end of a class 8 vehicle but still in that ball park. As with ANY electric car, they excel in city driving, not so much on long trips. So I bet this is also the case, so they will be mostly used on shorter trips. Economically, no electric car can recoup its upfront cost running on highway.
As an actual OTR truck driver, allow me to toss around some real world numbers that bedevil me daily. In a 2018 freightliner cascadia (typical long haul specs), running a dry van (typical unrefrigerated box trailer), my "max cargo weight" is around 36,000 lbs if only concerned with "max gross of 80k". However, there is also "bridge load limits". The steer axle (front most) is allowed 12,000 lbs (some states a little more). The drive axles pair (rear of the cab) are allowed 34,000 lbs. The tandem axle pair (under the rear of the trailer) are allowed 34,000 lbs, all for a total of 80k max. To properly balance those weights, the tandems slide lengthwise, and the "5th wheel" (trailer/cab mount interface) can slide, also lengthwise. One of the "pro skills" of trucking is doping out positioning of sliders, AND calculating what fuel loads you can add when to be legal all along your route. If, with a flatbed, a 14000 lb load puts your truck at 82,000 lbs, your drive and steer weights HAVE to be overweight, at all times. That tractor is "non compliant by design". If you need an over 80k permit to run 14000 lbs of cargo, you're hamstrung in comparison to EVERYBODY else. If you need an overweight permit to drive EMPTY, you're a joke in comparison to EVERYBODY else. Never mind the range is 15% short for long haul (600 miles per day average), the long charge intervals (restricting mandated break times to charging stations, which is actually technically illegal "fueling is on duty activity"), and the lack of truck friendly charging stations... the "package" itself is not DOT reg compliant, it's most fatal flaw
Nice, thanks for the info! Some others pointed that those barriers are actually heavier. I have no idea and I'm lazy to investigate myself, but it might be possible that the cargo is closer to 20 tons. On that idea, if the battery itself adds, at most, 6 tons extra than a diesel engine (7 tons battery, 1 ton less in engine+extras weight), why would it carry 10-14 tons less ? It doesn't make much sense. So I don't think that the drive and steer weigh 60000+lbs. Also, please split your text a bit. It's a wall of text right now. Readable, but not confortably so, once you passed the 2nd row.
Yeah I wondered if they would put some of the batteries on the trailer to try and even the load. Otherwise the front of the pan would need to be empty and the whole thing would be pretty unstable.
@@Winnetou17 it may be slightly higher in Cargo capacity, you notice Elon won't say, so we have to use the only examples available + a little informed guessing. Even if TF was off by 10-20% it still makes no sense against diesel. And the person who made the original comment here adds to that with the regulations. It's such vaporware, it's hilarious watching the Muskheads buy into everything he sells.
@@SR-ry6hs I don't think it's actually vaporware, just insane claims. I mean, for short to medium distances for low weight high volumes products, it makes a lot of sense. Toilet paper needs to be delivered too! It's just that it doesn't beat diesel in everything (not even close). And it's not even comparable with rail (why Elon isn't sued into jail for that and other impossibly stupid claims like that is beyond me. USA really is disappointing at times)
My calculations put that load in just under 20t, that being said as pointed out in trucker forums. Companies aren't going to buy this because of Tesla's notorious problems getting parts/service to companies. I would like to see more on how Thunderfoot got his weight estimate. Of course this entire argument could be solved if Tesla released weight numbers for the Semi itself, which is really sketchy they haven't yet.
Thunderfoot’s calculation is most likely off but considering that cargo is one of the most important metric for truckers, Elon’s silence is already telling us that it’s way bellow regular trucks.
If the Tesla was hauling genuine jersey barriers at 10' x 1450Kg it would be hauling about 18T but a lot of people here have pointed out that they could be the cheaper version weighing 300ish Kg. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.
Thunderf00t's weight estimate is based on knowing more about everything than everyone, which allows him to avoid tedious things like "research" and just sub in values that confirm whatever point he is trying to make.
@@Holycurative9610 You can figure it out by estimating the dimensions of the barriers being used based on the known lengths of the other cars on the road in the video.
Of course those concrete road barriers (median barriers) don't weight a mere 1000kg, they weight about 1800kg. They're 10' long (3m), 2' wide (60cm) and 2'-8" high (80cm). Their volume is about 0.75m³ which with a specific weight of concrete of 2400kg/m³ gives 1800kg. Which you could have known had you done some research instead of guessing. The Tesla semi is carrying 11 of them which comes to a weight of 19800kg. Pretty much the 20 tonnes cargo capacity of the regular diesel semi you mention. As for the fully loaded Tesla semi on its 500 mile trip: It is not remarkable that it doesn't overtake a lot of other semis as it not only has to obey maximum allowed speeds but also has to deal with having enough juice to complete the trip. Other semis may be overtaking it but they are likely to be either empty or haul less load and their drivers may be speeding. I'm not saying the Tesla semi is the answer nor that the delivery delay isn't ridiculous but let's at least get our facts straight when comparing them to regular diesel semis.
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That pause for applause after mentioning cup holders and usb chargers where no one applauded or made any noise at all was amazing.
Omfg right?! I hate literally pennies of add ons(USB, cup holders, wireless charging) and people go crazy. Like even for cars: You're spending 50k for fucking wireless charging, but ignore there is no oil dipstick by all means...
The Teslabot event was equally excruciating, the audience was meant to clap at various points but didn't.
Reminds me of Jeb Bush asking an audience to "please applaud" when he campaigned in 2016.😂
the semi isn't for the casual driver. It's directed at a specific audience of truck drivers and fleet managers not shareholders
@@sinjab5908 tbh I think it's just one of the myriad layers of Musk's great ponzi scheme. These trucks will never be delivered.
Damn. My 2004 pickup also alerts me when it needs maintenance. It's got a whole check engine light. Revolutionary!
you wait for the CEL to come on before doing maintenance? It will be more like major repair, maintenance is done to avoid a CEL
Somehow it doesn't sound exciting when you say it. Let Elon call it "check engine light technology," and it's a winner.
Yeah, but does it have CAD-designed cup holders, hmm??
if you put tape over the light they never need maintenance. that's a little pro tip hack I learned
@@aaronchapin9331 they all have cad designed cup holders but only tesla makes models of every cup and tests them individually.
I worked with truck drivers for 14 years in my last job and we had some conversations about electric trucks. They were open minded but curious about payload capacity. The more you can haul the more you can make and you don’t get paid for hauling fuel or batteries. The thing that least impressed them was acceleration, every driver said that acceleration like that would cause serious problems with cargo. These guys didn’t want a cool truck, they wanted a reliable truck that could haul a lot of cargo and didn’t cost a fortune to maintain.
Yeah that's the difference between professional grade and consumer grade. All these funny looking presentations mean nothing, if a tool is not working well. Workflow efficiency is key in professional environments, something Tesla never was good at. Their user base are manly nerds that don't care about it. Tesla's user base want something flashy and cool looking, not something that has to work in a predicable manner.
well spoken. thank you!!!
Pay is not always based on load weight. Sometimes it is based on need requirement. Nobody would haul big plastic drainage tubes that weight 2 tons a load if weight was the only factor.
And acceleration is hardly important. Jarring acceleration is also a problem with load shift. And tapping the accelerator too much in a cloverleaf exit could flip you.
crazy how you can be a truck driver for 14 years and not notice that the first thing thunderfoot said was a lie, does that tesla semi look like its only carrying 5 tons of concrete? thunderfoot fans are a special bunch.
its insane that 10 months later, the official tesla page is still not listing the cargo capacity... brave new world
just popping in 10 months later to state that pepsi is still the only buyer as of now with a whopping 36 semis ordered
@@brandonborgerding182 And they love the Semi......LMAO. Idi0t.....
Box filled with feather 😂
Why is it the naysayers always first in line...
There was a time when walking was technologically advanced and bicycles were they... Never going to happen without danger involved.
Then of course there was the combustible engine... Never being viable until some dangerous were dressed. Bicycles and who could afford them were the norm... Only after the dangers of them were proven categorically wrong. So you went from walking to bicycling to combustible engines... Everything had its place in danger. Look at us now...
People need to learn how to support instead of degrade. 😊
@@EnkiWesleyHoly grammar, Batman!
Yes, the age old dilemma that keeps truck engineers up at night. The dreaded 0-60 acceleration.
They do dread it when they're going uphill and the car in front of them slowed down at the bottom.
If only you know what acceleration do Idiot.
You know, i modded gta 5 cargo truck to be superfast as a Bugatti.
The results is not so good, running for a mile i already destroy everyone in the highway
Don't forget having to hunt for cups that fit! I hate it when my Big Gulp doesn't fit in the console.
It’s the only thing truckers ever want and the single most important factor they take into account when purchasing a truck…
"1million miles without break downs"
I legit spat out my drink and laughed
I can believe it’s more reliable then a diesel truck there’s far fewer parts in a battery vs a combustion engine but 1million miles is ridiculous
That was certainly the first time the engineers heard that claim.
@@jameson1239 you can service a diesel engine and keep it running past 1,000,000 miles; you cant service a Li-ion battery, nvm get it to reach 1,000,000 miles, especially if its constantly being supercharged.
I recall when my father took me to see Austin Powers and Dr Evil said... and I quote... "one million dollars". Do you suppose Elon Musk will look more like Dr Evil in 10-20 years time?
@@jameson1239it will NEVER be more reliable than a non EPA destroyed diesel. Teslas aren't reliable by design.
I was mildly intrigued by the wireless charging, til I realised it was for your phone and not the damn truck 🤣🤣
regardless wireless charging unless its changed, carries efficiency loss's to heat.
Even BMW has wireless charging for their cars. Or atleast they announced it in 2015
I must waste 6 hours a day plugging my phone into a charger...wow it is soooo difficult.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah it's so weird that the "visionary" didn't think of wireless charging. There is another company out there retrofitting cars with wireless systems.
Tesla "guarantees" are just as good as Elon's promises.
sorry changing the world drastically might take a little time
yes pepsi really thinks they are a failure thats why they ordered more "wait what ordered more "it doesnt make any sense keep thinking elon is a fraud
@@sinjab5908you're so right bro. The hyper loop in Las Vegas was such a technological leap for humanity!
@@xristosbassoshahaha I got a bridge to sell you
Lionel Hutz is on the case!
His presentations remind me of those late night infomercials, were they talk for an hour on how wonderful a single big fluffy slipper is and how it will revolutionise your life .
The interior was a little part of the presentation, but very useful for the TF video purpose
And it's NOT SOLD IN STORES!!! So BUY!! NOW!!!
(Until you see it in a box on a shelf at Costco 5 years later with the label "As Seen on TV!!")
@@johnsmithe4656 Basically every JML product lol.
big fluffy slippers are actually life changers
And if you order within the next hour you'll get a complementary set of steak knives. Order now!
EVs and hybrids do accelerate uphill better than most traditional engines. But the issue with trucks has never been that we all want them to be able to go faster and accelerate more swiftly. The issue with trucks is that they weigh phenomenally more than other vehicles and they are dangerous on the road, and making them more zippy would hardly address that. Plus, the uphill portion of any long haul trip tends to be a small percentage of the entire trip.
Plus, diesel engines have insane amounts of torque, so even if they're slower, they're making it up that damn hill!
I believe the important question is not how fast they accelerate uphill but how fast they decelerate downhill.
@@Igor-ug1uo The regen braking is probably good.
that is just 1 of the many changes so don't get too caught up. This is just a consequence of how electric motors work vs. diesel engines. It doesn't make or break a purchase.
Trucks are not that dangerous in the end.
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The claim that it can beat rail is actually insane.
For every1000kg a train can transport it will use on average 5ltrs to take it 800 KMs about four times as efficient as a conventional semi .
I'm surprised that d bag didn't claim it would beat barge traffic "right now."
Well it'll heat rail in some ways like near final or final destination delivery. But a whole row of tesla semis are going to need too many batteries compared to a handful of train engines hauling tons of train cars from one side of country to the other. Problem is also everything has to leave at same time and show up at same time.
The claim is insane anywhere in the world, but it's especially ridiculous in the US where typical freight trains are like 3 miles long with 200 - 300 cars, double stacked containers and shit.
@@TheAnnoyingBoss and the impact on the roadway from increased heavy duty traffic.
The "It beats rail in a convoy scenario" gets me every time. It's not short range truck can beat the king of land transport.
i can, trucks are more mobile and can directly deliver to a facility instead of depot for distribution, the diesel engine paired with electric motors on the train is less efficient than a pure battery system.
@@odisy64except the average rail car can haul 286000lbs that’s 6.5 times more then the Tesla semi and the average cargo train carry’s 60 cars even if it’s less fuel efficient you would have to hire more drivers to carry the same amount of cargo as one train crew.
@@jameson1239 how much would it cost a for a train that personally delivers to every store and warehouse in your city? The extremely low cost of electricity compared to fossil fuels is what makes the Tesla semi so desirable, you can expect to save 200k every 3 years on maintenance and gas as a fleet owner. Over the course of the vehicles life you could save 1 million dollars.
@@odisy64 you have to pay your drivers and while semi truck drivers are cheaper at an average salary where I live of around 57000 dollars so it takes about 3.7 drivers to equal the cost of one train crew but one train car can haul as much as 6 Tesla semis and having multiple smaller things coming to one area can create bottlenecks vs one larger thing for example when I worked at Walmart we only had 3 loading bays so if we had any more then 3 trucks at a time they would have to wait to be unloaded which wastes time and money. Also keep in mind alot of freight goes from one distribution centre to another I will use another Walmart story as an example freight would come from overseas into Vancouver from where it gets sorted into freight for Walmart, Costco, and others from Vancouver the freight for Walmart would then be shipped to a distribution centre in Calgary where it will be sorted into freight for Walmart store X, Y, and Z and from there it will be sent to the individual stores on the west coast of Canada, it is only in the final leg of the journey that freight needs to potentially go directly to the stores every other part of the journey it’s simply going in between distribution centres.
@jameson1239 it's that final leg of the journey that makes train freights completely unavailable and semi trucks viable diesel or electric. You think it's just about salaries but it's not, the equipment is massively expensive and requires expensive maintenance, a regular semi truck can rack up 800,000$ in maintenance in it's lifetime. Most semi trucks travel less than 200 miles a day, local and regional deliveries is what the majority of what semi trucks do.
This all comes down to cost, everything from efficiency, to salaries plays into what the market will choose Is better for profits or cost cutting.
It's important to note that mit-fuso had their eCanter class 3 truck on the road for a year before Elon announced the tesla semi, and that freightland has the eCascade class 8 truck on the road in the hands of customers right now. The difference is that they are both short range trucks, designed to be short range trucks, so they don't lose too much carrying capacity to lugging around a battery. So the eCanter goes like 115 miles which is more than most people drive a class 3 truck in a day and the eCascadia comes in a 150 mile version, a 210 mile high torque version and a 230 mile regular torque version.
Oooohhh, but did they use CAD to design the cup holders in those? 😂 /s
That's the difference. They are being realistic and delivered. Musk is just trying to bullshit everyone and making false claims. I'm not a truck driver but i would imagine how fast a truck can get to 60 wouldn't be such a big priority as musk makes it out to be in a truck. surely load capacity is much more important.
@@craigalexp Load capacity, and _range_. Both are suspect here.
@@craigalexp no no, 0-60 is a huge factor as this determines about 83% of the time between recharges
And for short range hauls, it makes perfect sense. It's not that Elon's trucks won't work, the Fontus works, too. So does the WaterSeer, and the Morus, and the Energy Vault, and the EVscope - hell even the Solar Frickin Roadways work. It's that it's oversold for what it does.
If Elon just presented the Testa truck as an electric alternative with realistic time frames instead of claiming it's the best thing since like evah, it would be alright. But, no, just like all other semi-scams promises, things that work but not really, it's always better, BETTER, *BETTER!* . And it's not just twice as good, it's not even 3 times, or 10 times, it's *ONEHUNDRED* times better!!!1 No, it has to have nuclear safe windows and BAMF performance. It's like _"As Seen On TV!"_ with God-like performances and literally unbelievable features that no-one needs but everyone wants.
I wonder how scared the engineers at Tesla are to actually tell Elon what's feasible.
MeatCanyon made an animation joking about that, if you're interested. If you haven't heard of MeatCanyon though, you may want to brace yourself first
@@classyrobot5648 I approve of meatcanyon
Yeah Musk's engineers seem to be all world class, it's only because Musk's impossible requests that they fail to deliver
@@VertexDigitalArts not sure if you ever worked for a boss, but you know, sometimes they ask you questions, especially during rnd, like how much weirght can it hold and so on.
And you can't just turn around and walk away, you'll have to give an answer.
And if your boss doesn't like the answer and asks "why so little?", you kinda have to tell him that those motors and batteries just ain't doing it.
Imagine interning at tesla, and your first job is to literally break thermodynamics
Talking about a class 8 truck's ability to accelerate fast is like talking about a mustang's ability to tow a trailer.
what exactly is a class 8 truck?
Mustang’s ability to tow a trailer would be impressive:)
Except for the traffic stuck behind a truck overtaking another truck with 2mph relative speed difference.
faster acceleration, lower drag, cheaper fuel, way safer braking, quieter, better for environment. Tesla semi is way better for all other drivers on the road and people off the road, no need to wait 10 minutes for a truck to overtake another truck on the road or sit behind a slowly accelerating truck and the noise pollution is way less.
@@Mooshimoca That would be great if they can achieve it. But the math doesn't work.
Honestly surprised Musk didn't slap some solar panels on the truck and claim it was self powered.
That’ll be a $50,000 add-on feature later it’ll come you wait
Solar panels on the trailer is a good idea given how much flat surface area it has. But then you consider the battery capacity and realize it would have to sit outside in the sun for a YEAR to maybe fill an empty battery once
No Elon's busy trying to figure out how to a Walmart dehumidifier on that truck to give it a turbo charger that gives you water. 😂
N😂 N😂 N😂,I have it on a good reliable source that Elon is hard at work developing a robot that requires no maintenance. It will be the greatest boon to mankind. Made of high tension steel and extremely flexible. It will be called get ready. It will be forever known as the Slinky. Elon Smuck inspired. 😂
"Can do everything without being out in the elements" lets see the driver hand paperwork to a gatehouse from those windows.
You can always guarantee claims something that will "never break down" will always break down
Seems pretty anti business for a company to only make a sale once to each customer.
XD
Well you just haven't been around long enough. Ever hear of the TITANIC??? Unsinkable I tells ya!
That's why if it breaks down before it should, they replace it.
This is an advanced concept that many people who have never heard of the term "powertrain warranty" will not understand.
Unhackable.. I tell ya.
Biil Gates probably.
@@theredscourge the claim for transportation industry holds a different value than just a warranty you are talking about. Reliability is extremely important, being able to ensure to deliver the cargo on time is the important thing. What use is it to a company to get a replacement truck a week later when the one hauling the cargo breaks down?
There is an old saying in chemical engineering: "The best tool to fight a metal fire is a good pair of running shoes."
It's not a metal fire though. The metals are bound aren't they?
BYD can put nails through their lithium batteries without them going into thermal runaway
I don't know if I would risk ruining a good pair of shoes stepping frenetically on a fire. 😂
@@TBFSJjunior Yes, a fair point. The metals in the battery are in the form of LiCoO2. That compound oxidizes further when it burns. It still makes a hot fire.
@@davidhitchen5369 I’m still glad you made the joke. I laughed.
you can bury it to kill the fire.
A semi truck full of merchandise accelerating that fast is going to be the stuff of nightmares to the driver and the people unloading the truck.
Put it in chill mode then... depends what you're shipping.
It is currently a story of fiction. Don't lose sleep over what isn't even happening yet
Being a firefighter and thinking back to all the regular trucks I've seen ablaze. You know I ain't seen nothin' yet.
When one of these Megawatt hour packs goes up the fire is going to be seriously impressive.
Just saw video that said eCars fire take 40K to 50K gals of water to extinguish vs. 1K gals for conventional car fire. Vid also said an eCar fire can go to 5000 degrees vs 1800 deg for conventional car. I know the battery on the Boeing 787 caught fire ( 2 airplanes in about a week) and they had to revise the battery containment from steel to titanium.
Yes, I've heard horror stories of Lithium battery fires. Everything from 40,000 gallons needed to put out a Tesla fire, to them dragging Tesla into a trench filled with water, to the fire taking 30 days to finally go out completely to the point that it stopped flaring back up. I've seen videos of phones and e-cigarettes exploding in people's pockets. It's truly terrifying!! This is why I keep a green steel ammo box in the house for our Lithium batteries, as soon as we're not using / charging one anymore it goes in the ammo can until we can send it to the e-waste recyclers. Those things are WAY scarier than people assume!!
Also, Lithium and Cobalt mining are terrible for the environment and promote slave labor-like conditions in the poorest countries. And Cobalt is really toxic.
@@johnsmithe4656 Maybe Elon should change to molten sodium-sulphur batteries that have a working temperature of 300 degrees.
@@Grauenwolf Yup, in training I was told exactly that. Dump the car in a container full of water.
A good option to reduce battery weight and charging times in long haul transport would be feeding the electricity via an overhead line or something like that. Driving along that line, one could reduce friction by using rails... aaaaaand you've got electric cargo trains!
Trolley buses were a thing here in the UK back in the 20th Century. Powered by overhead wires.
They're already doing this in Germany. Semi has enough of a battery to get it to the highway and then rails lift up from the top of the truck to touch the overhead lines where it draws current
@@Thezuule1 Yeah, I remember a Tom Scott episode about that :) Definitely way better than the Tesla Semi when there's no rail network around!
@@Thezuule1 And who pays for the electricity and upkeep in full scale?
@@Robert-cu9bm no clue. I assume the electric company.
I have been a truck driver for over a decade, doing dry van, flatbed, and tanker work and I think you overlooked a few things in this video that I can bring some insight into (though I think you are still making mostly valid points).
First, the fully laden flat bed (timestamp 10:30) that you compare the Tesla flat bed to is a different class of vehicle with a likely different legal hauling capacity. The tractor and the trailer in the image both have an extra axle (for a total of 7 axles), and in many cases they would be using this vehicle for "over gross" transport, which is very common in flat bedding in particular.
This trailer pictured also only appears to be 40 feet in length, one of a few standard sizes in NA. The set of 3 axles are about 10 feet wide (tires are about 2.5 feet in diameter and spaced about 3 feet on center from one another) and although perspective makes it hard, it appears that maybe 2 or 3 more sets of 3 tires could fit in between the existing ones. So, between 50 or 40 feet from the front tire to the rear tire, minus about 4 feet because the trailer itself doesn't come all the way to the front tire. But, standard trailer sizes are either 40, 48 or 53, and it would seem that 48 and 53 would be a bit too long to make sense in this image.
This means that the barriers that they list as about 1000 kg (2200 lbs) each are either 6 or 8 feet long, probably 6 feet though as 8 would take up the full length of the trailer and with the sloppy spacing would require some overhang on the front or rear which does not appear to be the case.
And the common weights for 6 foot jersey barriers is 1100 kgs whereas 8 foot are usually around 1500 kgs.
So, based on all this, this truck has a net weight of 53,000 lbs, leaving about 27,000 lbs (or more if it is indeed permitted over gross) for the weight of the truck and trailer. This all seems very reasonable.
Now, the barriers pictured on the Tesla truck are longer than the ones on our other truck, a total of 10 feet each and about 4,000 lbs each. Almost twice the length and weight of the other truck.
We can see this because the length of the trailer that is being pulled by Tesla is 53 feet because the truck it passes is also pulling a 53 foot trailer. The way the axles on the box trailer are configured only exists on 53' trailers. The axles on the trailer are only allowed to be a maximum of 40 feet back from the 5th wheel king pin under California law, but most other states allow them to be at any distance up to 53 feet. So, the axles on these kinds of trailers are actually moveable, which is why there is trailer skirting in front of the vans tires, but not behind because they will slide them back in other states for weight distribution purposes.
So, you can see that if you estimate 10 feet per barrier that is 40 feet of cargo and 13 feet of empty space, or about half a barriers length at the front and rear of the trailer plus the small amount of space left between rows of barriers. It exactly matches what we see in the video.
We now see that 11 barriers at 4,000 lbs each brings us to a net 44,000 lbs, leaving 36,000 for the truck and trailer. (Well, actually this is 38,000 because federal law allows semis with certain anti idle technologies to weigh and extra 2,000 lbs, and electric/electric hybrid vehicles qualify for this, which is why they state the vehicle is loaded at 82,000 lbs several times).
Also, the Tesla trip is through California where the entire state has a truck speed limit of 55 mph while for cars it can be as much as 70 mph (iirc), so by default trucks are significantly slower. But, you also have to consider that a lot of people, truck drivers included, don't follow speed limits.
It's entirely possible, and I'd argue plausible, that the Tesla was just following the speed limit while many many other trucks were going 58-60mph, as is very common practice.
Especially if they were going to video-tape the whole drive and post it publically - putting the truck driver's license at risk for providing video proof of violating the law on a public road.
Thank you. Those barriers were not 1000 lbs as claimed and the one picture he showed was no proof of anything, just trying to fortify his false theory. Then the false comparisons of battery packs to Diesel engine instead of cab/trailer weight to cab/trailer weight. Just another electric hater spreading FUD. It all sounds nice to people who don't know anything, but when someone who actually knows shows up, the FUD gets lit up.
“Overlooked a few things” is generous. The video is a crock of rat stew.
@Dave @Mark, where are the trucks? It's been a few years and they took pre-order money it seems.
@@bob15479 thanks for your super constructive input, now go away
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels. Thunderfoot is one hilarious dude.
German Engineer here. In my hometown of Stuttgart, Mercedes has addressed the dangers of EV-cars setting themselves on fire in a quite "unique" way. There is an old cargo-lift-shaft within the factory that is out of use today. If a car within the factory was to ever be on fire, the plan is to just hurl the burning car down the shaft, as there is almost no hope of extinguishing it within a reasonable time.
Tldr: Metal fires are scary, thank you for coming to my TEDtalk.
6/10 TED talk. There's a complete lack of personal backstory and buying time.
Wieder was gelernt, danke!
Someone involved in the fire removal sector told me they have had to dump some EV's in water for 30 days because of the chain reaction. They may be getting a device that could extinguish the fires in 5 hours for the average EV battery.
@@Jack-uy7ie I have seen pictures were they dump them in a dump container and fill it with water.
@@SyntheticFuture bu.. but I hinted at the amazing backstory on how I grew up in Stuttgart - the hometown of the car - and from a young age aspired to one day be an engineer (that would dump EVs into shafts)
Btw. I love the TED talk about nothing. It perfectly illustrates the bs and rethoric that goes into a TED talk.
Wow that awkward silence after the cup holder announcement.😂
I'm amazed that they didn't hyper-focus on that paint job!! Who ever saw a paint job like that?!
Well, maybe they didn't want to call attention to the shoddy paneling.... 😆
My 1985 Renault 11 had cup holders.
BUT THE COAT HANGER. DID YOU SEE HOW ELEGANTLY IT FOLDS INTO THE BACKWALL
@@peterjf7723 BUT WERE THEY DESIGNED IN THE CAD??? ON COMPUTER?? 😆
@@johnsmithe4656 A cup holder designed for the specification of holding cups? Revolutionary!
"It will inform you ahead of time that it needs maintenance"". Wow Elon it has a feature that my mk5 golf from 2005 had, groundbreaking.
2005 existing tech, and they still fuck it up. XD
Dash warning lights. He invented dash warning lights
I had a 2002 Merc that would tell you everything you started it that it needed to "Visit Workshop" and tell you the amount it would cost you.
Basic calculation error or pure lies from thuderfoot, barriers he bases he calulations on are 6.5 feet long, end to end on that trailer makes it 26 feet long... standard flatbed size is 48 to 53 feet. Standard jersey barrier shown are 10 feet long, which these are, they are 4000 ib each or 2 tons. So that semi is hauling 22 tons, not 5. Dont know if mistake or lies
My 1993 Accord has that feature.
I drive an EV (not a Tesla) and cannot fathom how a semi would function in brutal real-world winter conditions. 500 miles is nothing. When these batteries get in sub zero (or even freezing) temperatures, that range is going to drop. Also, what about the energy to produce the climate control for the cargo?
The range on Dieseltrucks drops as well.
Well when you start talking perishables I guess when you start hauling a reefer with a Tesla your load limit will be I don’t know 10,000 pounds so now you’ll need eight trucks or four trucks to do the trip of one yeah it’s not hard to do the math here somebody’s ass is sucking air and a lot of people that made investments and I hope they didn’t invest their life savings are about to find out just how much they’re gonna lose well this guy lives high off the hog oh that’s right your hog it’s your money you gave them ha ha ha ha happy returns but remember you have to sell a vehicle Make money
You know you just gotta listen to this idiot talk for about 10 minutes about a truck and you already know he knows exactly nothing he has no idea what he’s even talking about a glorified salesman stealing peoples money to invest in a bunch of I don’t know what junk
@@testtesting5088 Drops from 2,000 instead of from 500...
@@aaronerickson8878 but it doesn't..if anything truck runs more efficient..many guys add fuel coolers to their trucks because it runs better..now that depends on how extreme the temp is outside..but drop is almost insignificant
Of course we already had short range electric delivery trucks 40 years ago. They were called “milk floats” and were used (in the U.K. at least) to deliver milk (and dairy products) to people from their local dairy.
...And I never saw one broken down...
Yeah and before that in the early 20th century there was a lot of electric vehicles man the first cars where electric.
@@firesideshats And then ICE cars appeared...yikes.
@@thedubwhisperer2157 This was the 70's and 80's. You'd see anything made by British Leyland broken down around the things too.
I remember the electric milk float delivering our small bottles of milk (I think 1/3 pint) to my school in the 1960's - HA - and then leaving it out in the sun - no refrigeration. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
The Unbreakable glass was the best, imagine being in an accident with obstructed doors and the rescue crews can never get you out while you burn to death...
Musk: Thermonuclear proof glass
Me: Let's test it..with Musk behind the glass.
Good point
@@briananthony4044 can we put his apostles with him?
A certain scene from call of duty comes to mind.....
@@connorlloyd8974 ugh. Bad memories of that scene
don’t forget neuorlink is “ready for humans” and is “coming in 6 months” “just waiting on approval” I can’t wait for 2030 when he comes out with a sound activated robo arm that can give a thumbs up when you clap
I read 1500 animals have died from testing the equipment, I assume the animals do not die anymore?
I hear all he's achieved is 10 monkeys dying in agony
it never ends well for the monkeys
It will most likely read electrical signals in your arm. Which is something artificial limbs can do today.
I've always been baffled how those big ass screens in Tesla's are even legal. They're a huge distraction and can be a real problem for night vision glaring in your field of view all the time. And this thing has 2.
Um, did the thought ever come to you that the screens get DIMMER at night so they won't be "glaring in your view"? Wow, people are stupid.
@@xNYCMarcumm. I have a screen in my Chevy and it does NOT dim. Also there is no settings like in a phone . Very distracting
@@tpike32 There absolutely IS a setting to dim the screen. You’ve just never read the freaking manual and found out where the setting is.
What year and model is your Chevy? I guarantee I’ll find the setting for you in less than 45 minutes.
@@xNYCMarcnope . If you look up at the Chevy forum . Lots and lots of complains . And I think a possible lawsuit against GM. The dash will dim but not screen
@@tpike32 How about you just answer the damn question?
I'm no big rig driver but I did drive full size, fully loaded work trucks fir a living at one time. The words "badass acceleration, and looks badass " was never really my concern. It was making sure I didn't lose control of this dangerous muti ton machine.
EV trucks don't lose their brakes going downhill due to regenerative breaking like diesel trucks do
@@thomaswilson2917 because diesels have no other form of braking? I haven't ever lost my brakes either.
What electric trucks are currently being used with heavy loads, so we can have a true test of the technology? I am sure many other technologies looked perfectly fine until they were used in the real world
@@chrisnoname2725 EV trucks are just like EV cars.
The same hp that accelerates the truck can also slow the truck down
tesla truck looks like shit tho
@@sk8erbyern beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Everyone has their own opinion
To me a truck is a truck that's all
I’m a driver and I cringed when seeing the braking for the first time, then you exactly described how I felt about it. This is just dangerous, you could end up with the freight in the cabin, in a worst case scenario (at least the cabin has a lot of empty space for that purpose).
I'm reminded of the night I was driving home from a gig, came to a stop sign and braked,
and that's when my guitar case slid forward and hit me in the back of the head.
It will be the best drag truck ever. Also, I believe one of the main reasons trucks are usually required to drive slow isn't because they can't go fast, it's just that you don't really want something so heavy to drive around fast, for security reasons.
I'm gonna press x to doubt - after all, drag trucks have been a thing for a while now, and those would literally blow a Tesla semi off the track - particularly those with rocket engines.
@@MrAranton I will offer up the Waltzing Matilda jet truck from all the way back in 1979 as an example to back up your comment. The Bandag Bullet was a tire shredder from the 1980's that would also prove your point and appease anyone who thinks jet trucks don't count.
usually accelerating isn't the problem, stopping is...
I'd love to see a Tesla Model S in NASCAR.
He's in the lead... Wow look at him go..
Oh wait now he's gotta stop for an hour to recharge.
Clearly never been on truckersmp.
Speed is life!
Honestly the nightmarish fire waiting to happen that these things represent is terrifying
IFKR, that's exactly what I always think whenever someone is discussing the tesla semi. Shits gonna burn down a whole city block!
So gas powered trucks never catch fire, with large diesel tanks, or when they are hauling thousands of lbs of gas or other flammable liquids?
@@sc0tt_p🤡
@@sc0tt_p”hazardous materials” like a massive battery on fire.
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I'm an American truck driver, and many of the trucks I drove, where capable of hauling 50,000+ lbs, and still be just under DOT gross weight limit.
Ya most trucks we deal with weigh between 31-34000 lbs with the trailer in them. A tanker Holds 6000 gallons of oil which weighs about ~45000 lbs so ya
I HAVE DONE THE MATH:
These barriers are from pro cast products Jersey Barriers 12 feet long version. Look up images of them, they are identical! And it also matches the total length of the flatbed being between 48-53 feet long
According to the info sheets, they weigh approx 4680 lbs per piece, which means the total carrying capacity of the semi is 11*4680 = 51 500 lbs = 23 metric tons
Just a question. What do you think about the driver sitting in the middle with the two side windows at a slant angle?
This truck will be perfect for pillow and marshmallow delivery.
@@andreasgravrok9421 You wouldn't need to speculate if the vaporware salesman talked less about coat hangers, wireless charging and cup holders.
But what do I know those barriers? Probably same as you: jack sh*t
The Tesla apologists just need to keep in mind, if Tesla actually provided numbers for all these questions, people wouldn't have to be looking at videos and doing napkin calculations.
They're scared to give many hard numbers because they can't pretend it's revolutionary
What kind truck manufacturer wouldn't release the hard figures about range and load capacity? Not one you can trust, i would say.
Two things:
1) The barriers are 8ft long and weighing about 3575 lbs(1621.6 kgs) each, not 525 kgs. So that's 18 tons of payload, not 6.
2) Not all applications require haulage of 20 tons over 800 miles. There are numerous applications where the cargo volume is high but it's weight is well below 20 tons and the delivery location is much closer. Like in warehousing and logistics. The semi is perfect for these applications.
@@exterminator4808 how do you know, how much they weigh? Why wasn't is specified in the presentation? To your second point, sure, trucks do not always haul maximum cargo to maximum range, still don't see how Tesla Semi is better than normal trucks, on shorter distances. The only advantage of TS over a regular truck is it's acceleration and only in short term. No one cares about it in logistics.
@@tomaszj8605 True, acceleration is irrelevant for the semi. And Tesla not being forthcoming about the Semi's specifications raises significant doubts about the truck's capabilities.
Weight of the barriers: the TS has a length of 21 feet and using scaling, you can calculate that the barriers are 8 ft long at least. Some people are claiming them to be 10 ft but let's be conservative. Now a plain concrete Jersey barrier of 8 ft weighs 3675 lbs.This barrier has a height of 32" and using scaling I found that the barriers on the TS have a height of 3', well over 32". So this brings me to the conclusion that the TS is carrying ATLEAST 18 tons of payload. Which is not nothing compared to a payload capacity of 20 tons for a class 8 truck.
How is the TS better than a diesel semi for shorter distances: it's better because it's cheaper to run(fuel costs way more than electricity) and it has no GHG emission. Plus it can make use of regenerative-braking which is a "game changer" as per some Pepsi employees. Conventional trucks don't have any of these. Plus, EVs are different and hence simpler to maintain compared to ICE vehicles because of fewer moving parts. Same is true for trucks and is more significant in logistics as a broken truck means lost income.
"Defeats rail" is a really big claim, and that's going to take some very big proof to substantiate it. Rail is incredibly efficient.
Rail can work autonomously, many do. Them trucks have to have a driver or big accidents result, how Elon can say it is better than rail when rail ways haul more cargo and don't require someone to constantly be in the driver's seat is beyond me.
True, and TF misses this inmportant point, only comparing Musk's truck with a diesel truck. Unfortunately however, in the UK the taxation system makes trucks massively more economical than rail except for some marginal flows. That's why the roads here are stuffed up with trucks : why the heck would someone want even more of them?
They might be energy efficient but they're terrible for time efficiencies, so if you can get a truck closer to a train's efficiency then economically it can be better. Most people want express freight and meat has to be, i would pick up meat in the afternoon and it needed to be 900 km away early in the morning to be processed and distributed. Trains need trucks to pick up and deliver and also take a long time to load. It costs to have drivers sit in a queue, you then need a constacker to load and unload and if you're running a reefer, it is burning fuel that whole time too.
As for energy efficiency, you’d need to change the laws of physics for trucks to beat trains
in switzerland we just load 20 trucks on rails to get them from north to south europe throu our massive cargo network lol.
Speaking as a truck driver, it'd surprise you how important the drink holder and phone support are.
Standing up to change in the cabin sounds good when it's raining.
@pyropulseIXXI LOL fer sure. And a good stereo beats good mileage any day - right?
Never late in a scania v8
Most trucks you csn stand up in 😂
Engineer 1 : calculating battery weights and forms to range to save his job
Engineer 2 : measuring coffee cups
Which of the two would be sacked due to downsizing in a company that lost half it's stock value in a year. Volvo the cup holder guy, Tesla the other one.
Elon: promote that engineer 2, fire that engineer 1 hes flop
@@thamesmud I'd just like to mention that the cupholder huy at Volvo is probably fine and doing a great job. Had a bit of a ride in one recently and my coffe was steady as a leaf on a still lake.
When the Ordinary family purchase the car to take the kids to school, the cup holder is probably more important in their buying decision than the battery chemistry.
@@thamesmud as a guy who worked on cupholders... The car still needs it ya know
The first video reminds me when TopGear showed that a Dacia Sandero at 90kmh was faster than a Lamborghini at 80kmh
Oh no! Anyways...
@@tbsq1114 back to the studio!
It’s Stig’s american cousin😅
And on that bombshell...
If the truck is that heavy, that's going to be a problem for being able to travel on certain roads too.
Listen bro they show videos of them going fast but they don't like to show the videos of them charging long tbh
Even if they don't have restrictions on where they can go it's gonna be hell on the roads. Not very helpful for the world. They need another axle just for the weight of the truck.
@@TheAnnoyingBoss not even that. With the cold weather at the moment, Tesla's aren't even charging at all.
@Sky Cloud Mine have been charging well.
@TheAnnoyingBoss You can watch them charge here in California at the frito lay factory. They are pretty wild with 1000+amp liquid cooled chargers.
I was always told bull sh**ers got found out eventually but unfortunately in life my experience has been quite the opposite. They appear to reach the top and prosper.
Ain't that the truth.
My experience as well
You mean like Elizabeth Holmes?
Or did you mean San Bankman-Fried?
@@bc-guy852
Well they eventually got found out. Unfortunately most don't and they sail off into the background with all their money leaving a disaster behind them.
My dude the guy sends manned rockets to dock with the ISS and TSLA is currently the world’s most valuable automaker, what do you do.
The funny thing is: at IAA, one of the most important events for the cargo industry globally, Mercedes announced the eActros. They didn't talk about its cabin, because it is an Actros, people already know the Actros, so no Cup holder talk. They said that on a 40 metric tons composition (2 axle semi + 3 axle trailer), the eActros LongHaul has 500 km of range, which is quite good, since it is about what a European truck drives each day.
Yes well that's the difference between an auto manufacturer and a hype company wanting a loan by way of a deposit for something they haven't worked out how to make yet.
Are you talking about this Actros Presentation?
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@@crocodile2006 the presentation was interesting, especially the part where the e-Actros prototype has a 250 Kilometer (155 miles) to 350 Km (217 miles) range, compared to the Tesla’s demonstrated 500 MILE (800 Km) range.
@@americanrambler4972 still, Mercedes announced the truck for the transport industry. They talked about relevant things to truck buyers. You, know. Operaton costs, efficiency and things like that. Not cup holders a wireless charging. The eActros LongHaul seems like a realistic product, while the Tesla semi still has that concept/prototype ethos around it.
@@raphaelrodrigues1645 Literally showed photos of cup holders... wireless phone chargers and called them "30 Special features".
Take the L. BTW... mentioning cup holders for like 5 seconds out of a 1 hour presentation and then pretending thats what Elon focused on is a joke. I noticed ThunderFail failed to mention the 1MW Semi Chargers coming out so I'm wondering if he even bothered watching it at all... or maybe he's just cherry picking bits he thinks helps his patreon numbers while ignoring actual detail.
Call me crazy, but if they replaced the battery with some kind of smooth metal road and wires that could conduct electricity, this electric truck idea just might work... they could even make it a bunch more powerful and link several cargo containers together behind it 🤔
Sound like 1890’s technology
@@mylesgray3470 Sounds like the most energy-efficient way to move things on land.
Trains were so ahead of their time when they were first built. And even today, on land, they're simply impossible to beat.
freight train...😄
Next musk will try to reinvent flying machines.
It's getting constructed in India.... Is called an electric Highway, and the trucks will have train like pentographs above them
I’m genuinely surprised they actually made a production model…
Given no one has one is it even a production car not jst a barely working concept and by working it moves haha
Trying to avoid prison. 🤣
@@l8erzmonkey Just another scam from ya boy Elon
sounds like it is still in beta testing.
@@Grauenwolf Correct, these are merely prototypes.
I worked as a truck driver for 45 years, and just one more thing we should mention is - Timeing- when you're in the big cargo delivery business, time is everything , if you get pay by the mile or by the hour and if you're just a few minutes late depending on your drap zone they may be a line of trucks in front of you and on and on and on , when it comes to big semi truck deliveries it's all about Timeing and the last thing you need is to stop for hours to charge your battery -yes you can have charging stations at truck stops but when you're on a schedule you want to make it to the next truck stop it could be because it's more convenient better showers food exetera exetera and that maybe a miles away.
18:55 They probably had to drive the truck so slowly because the 500Mi range goal was so tight that they had to coast as much as possible and keep air drag at a minimum to have a good chance of reaching it.
There is also a better explaination: trucks drivers tend to go faster than the allowed limit. The 500 miles range has probably been set with the allowed speed, which makes sense and is honest.
But many will prefer the "Elon lied" option
Nevermind the fact california has a lower speed limit for semi's
Yeah, range is exactly what I thought of when they described the truck "accelerating up the 6% incline." I'm like, sure, it can probably do that, but for how many miles?
@@bboybasics2 that was really dumb, and Elon DID lie, its basically all he does nowadays.
@@aaronrobinson2121yeah my electric go cart used to stop going up hills first when the battery was dying. You had to get off of it and push the throttle to get the motor to help being it up the hill of a driveway I lived on. I imagine the Tesla truck works similarly. Probably a wonderful truck in Kansas. I don’t think it’s nearly as wonderful when the batteries are dying in West Virginia
I always thought trucks going a bit slower was probably a good thing 🤣
it is if you don't want your load to be at the back of the trailer.
I'm not a car guy, but I just twigged to Musk bragging about how his imaginary future-truck will go 0-60 in five seconds with or without a trailer.
Wouldn't that mean that, like... showing my ignorance here I know, but that would mean the engine has a huge amount of torque, or something? Motor can only go so fast and added weight limits the speed and torque adds power to pull the additional weight?
Wouldn't a motor built with a stupid amount of torque like that just... explode? Like a dragster pulling nothing would just tear itself to pieces?
@@EdwardHowton I'd swear he claimed in that reveal that it had the same acceleration regardless of load. That's either a lie or it really reveals how much the vehicle weighs. Also, a comparable diesel tractor can accelerate pretty damn fast without a trailer behind it.
@@jverz9430 they race them (on tracks of course ;) ) here in Australia, not sure about elsewhere, it's VERY noisy and UTTERLY terrifying ;)
@@SomeMorganSomewhere some people do semi drag races here in the US too. Though more common to see cars, motorcycles, or a standard utility truck.
I love the scene where it was passed by a FedEx truck. FedEx trucks are pretty much the slowest thing on the road. What is also not being stated here is that most company trucks are governed. The truck I drive is governed at 70mph, which is one of the fastest governed trucks in the industry. There are some faster, but there are many others that are slower. Even with my truck governed at 70, I could haul that little bit of weight (that was on the Tesla) up a 6% grade pretty fast with the Detroit DD15 that turns the wheels, and I sure as heck wouldn't have to use my 30-minute break filling it up for a measly couple hundred miles more of driving. I'd love to see the Tesla Semi up against a bull-hauler. They have some of the fastest trucks on the road, and their trucks ACTUALLY look good. No Tupperware curb sniffers for those guys! An all-electric truck is a great idea. I just don't think the battery tech, or the infrastructure, is there yet.
All electric trucks make sense for inside-city delivery. And only for city centers where you wouldn't want to spread diesel fumes up to people faces.
@@korysovecsure electric trucks make sense inside a city, but definitely not a semi
The speed limit for trucks in California, where this trip happened, is 55 MPH. They aren't going to film themselves breaking the law just to show the truck going "fast".
Also, "that little weight" was over 40,000 lbs. This guy gave BS numbers in his "estimate" of what those barries weigh. I used to haul those barriers and 10-12 was a full load.
I'm very well aware of the speed limit in commiefornia. I also know that CHP doesn't care until you're going 63 or over. I'd have to rewatch the video to see where where they're doing the test drive. I'm not sure why they'd be doing it in commiefornia when the Tesla plant is in Texas, but I'll accept your assertion that it's there. As for the weight of the load, I don't remember how many jersey barriers were on the truck. And again, I'm not going to rewatch the video. So, I'll concede that you are 100% correct with your assessment.
Speaking of bull haulers, maybe someone had a few too many of those toothpicks during the design of this thing.
Thunderfoot.. one error in your calcs. The barriers are about 500kg/m. Not 500kg per barrier.
As a former flatbed truck driver, the first thing I noticed was the hump in the trailer bed. This is how they look empty or lightly loaded. If that was a typical 40 - 50 ton deck load, it would flatten that hump out. And that is an aluminum trailer too, which are lighter. And flatbed trailers are max 48 feet. If I had this rig with a diesel Mack, it would hit about 30,000 to 32,000 lbs. empty.
Basic calculation error or pure lies from thuderfoot, barriers he bases he calulations on are 6.5 feet long, end to end on that trailer makes it 26 feet long... standard flatbed size is 48 to 53 feet. Standard jersey barrier shown are 10 feet long, which these are, they are 4000 ib each or 2 tons. So that semi is hauling 22 tons, not 5. Dont know if mistake or lies
so you know your shit. How much do you estimate the tesla semi weights without the baries that we already know weight around 6-7 tons.
@@Grauenwolf i can only work on basic math and size estimates, also the height of the barriers he is using in his example woukd make the semi 7 ft tall
@@gypsyemperor7535 We know that it can't be done. Volvo has one of those semi with real working numbers. And they use only 6 battery packs for up to 200 mile range with 1/3 of the diesel load. Google Volvo VNR electric. And if you look at their presentation, it's specific design for city/local hauls and it has all the info trucking companies need.
@@gypsyemperor7535 you are officially spam.
When you say, it beats RAIL.. You lose me! Nothing beats RAIL.
Would you change your mind if I threw in an “economic suicide” or two?
Yeah, rail's about as efficient as you get on general resource usage *and* labor force per weight of cargo.
Rivers can beat rail when it comes to the transportation of goods but yeah, rail beats everything else in every relevant factor :)
You are Adam Something and I claim my five pounds
Bro trucking is not much more costly as is.
Save 80k/yr on fuel and it's parity.
Save $140k/yr on salary and it's anal rape
You missed that the first delivery is to a Frito Lay potato chip factory in Modesto, CA. A full load probably only weighs 5 tons.
They designed those bags to be full of air in order to be Tesla Semi compatible.
It could work for some companies.
Wasn't the first delivery supposed to go to Pepsi?
@@InfiniteDeckhand Frito-Lay is a PepsiCo brand...
@@TonyRule I didn't know that, alright? I'm not American.
Being a truck driver, I wouldn't touch that thing with a 10 ft pole
"it has wireless charging" is the same as "it's got electrolytes" in the movie Idiocracy 🙂
yeah i also love the scene in idiocracy where the rockets land back on earth
Wireless charging is useful for vehicles. I wish my electric car did that. Think about it. I park and I charge without thinking about it.
If you embedded electric cables in the road: you could charge as you drive.
@@NerdSnipingBatman thats terribly impractical.
Good luck feeding plants with electricity, if you are so smart why don’t plants grow inside batteries.
@@NerdSnipingBatman if you did that you wouldn't need batteries.
Those concrete dividers are the 10 footers, and the ones we buy are 4400 pounds each.
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Watch Phil ignore this fact
OK, still doesn't explain how they are only hauling 12 when the diesel trucks are hauling 25...
I was so confused at how low his number was, I swore those barriers were around 4k lbs/each and had to look in the comments
I think 11 X 4400lbs is about 24 tones or so, which matches load capacity of most trailers.
Collision avoidance is commonplace in fleet trucks, including lane departure warnings. They will slow down and speed up according to the speed of the vehicle in front. Many have cameras watching the road and the driver, and will save a recording for 30 sec. before any incident to after. But they won't keep you from changing lanes. And up the hill fast on battery will shorten the distance you are going to go before recharge.
Autonomous braking and Lane Depart warning are mandatory for trucks in Europe since 2015. From the next year one it will include upgraded Adas.
@Brandon Letzco Yes that's why that demo with the fast acceleration is horseshit, people who buy trucks want efficiency they want as many trucks on the road as possible making them back their money.
I watched a fantastic video about Scania and the things they do to eek out the tiniest savings on fuel.
There is this little hiccough with brexit where trucks can be stuck for hours in lorry parks waiting for paperwork to be checked. To avoid that down time where they won't be making money Ireland has added fifty something new ferry and shipping routes to Europe bypassing britain and the british land bridge.
See there's this thing truckers do where they deliver a load and they pick up a different load for the return. This would not possible with even a two hour charge time.
"And up the hill fast on battery will shorten the distance you are going to go before recharge."
No not really, only the normal aero drag difference of speeds. Going up the hill slow still requires you to overcome the same rolling resistance and gravitational losses. You are using more power to do it, but because you do it more quickly the energy expended is the same.
But it's an interesting question. Diesel engines are more efficient under load, so as long as you don't overdo it, going uphill isn't as bad as pure physics suggests it should be. But electric can regen on the downhill.
@@agoradacerto and they have been available since 2012
@@WorBlux ice engines can cut fuel on downhill so it uses no fuel downhill
I want to be hired by Elon to attend every one of his presentations and shout Woooooooo! I want to be one of those guys.
They have a name for a long convoy of shipping containers…it’s called a train! The purpose of 18 wheelers is when you need to separate cargo into smaller units that need to go to different locations once they are off the cargo ship and/or train! I hear people talking about how you could have a chain of big rigs on the highway with just a couple operators to deal with maintenance and managing loading/offloading etc. and I just want to show them a picture of a train 🤣
Don't do that as the muskrat will chuck a sad
There are pro rail people being equally as delusional. Haven't found any ship people yet. I am waiting to be told electric cargo planes are the answer.
@communist754 that maybe true But change and efficiency are important as well
That tesla semi demonstration was nothing but a staged horse and pony show that why the muskrat was tight lipped of the important details and only talking fluff about the phone charge cup holders and all the crap we don't care about
If the tesla semi cannot do the same job as the diesel equivalent then it's useless doing long distances
The tesla semi would be suitable for port terminal operations transporting sea containers and short distance in a metro area or country runs
The difference between a chain of trucks, and a train are: the trucks can all get off at different exits, and drive up to the customers dock. Train cars generally don't do that.
You’re saying we should be using steel wheels on steel rails?? That’ll never work! We need inefficiency!
I've never been a professional driver, but I did buy a pickup truck, to pull my RV. One of the key metrics I had to know ahead of time was the maximum towing weight, as well as the maximum combined vehicle weight and other related numbers. At no point did I worry about what the 0 to 60 time was for the truck, especially while towing. There have been a (very) few times I've punched it, pulling onto a crowded freeway, so I was at freeway speed by the end of the acceleration lane and could readily merge, but the great majority of the time, I time it to where that's not needed. I've also never had an interest in wireless charging for my phone in the truck. One other thing I am interested in is extended range. And...Thunderf00t covers that. OK. Another win for diesel. Operating long-haul trucks on coal power (indirectly through the electric grid and batteries) just isn't practical. Maybe one day it will be.
These trucks aren’t primarily for long haul. C’mon. Be better.
That fast acceleration is going to rapidly wear out kingpins. Nothing like a rig taking off from the lights and having a fully loaded trailer decouple.
@@Meatball2022 Yes. I agree. They are primarily for Elons ego.
@@TheKaiTetley That's a big ass haul to have, though I guess it's shallow enough that even Tesla's stuff can tow it.
@@TheKaiTetley exactly how would having an unusable truck that’s not sellable help his ego?
Or instead of trucks we could use trains
How do you get the contents of containers from the trainyard to the grocery stores, warehouses, etc?
Come on dude, use your brain.
Basic calculation error or pure lies from thuderfoot, barriers he bases he calulations on are 6.5 feet long, end to end on that trailer makes it 26 feet long... standard flatbed size is 48 to 53 feet. Standard jersey barrier shown are 10 feet long, which these are, they are 4000 ib each or 2 tons. So that semi is hauling 22 tons, not 5. Dont know if mistake or lies
Wow, right! Great idea! Oh, wait...
They even have this amazing overhead wires option which makes it so you don't have to haul your own batteries!
US transportation does use trains a lot for freight transport. Their passenger rail service is an absolute joke, but for long-distance freight, rail is just cheap. Then you use trucks at the end to move stuff from the rail depo to whereever it needs to be.
My biggest problem is that these are rolled out as the solution to every problem. No wonder our groceries are getting more expensive if upper management is buying these at Woolworths and Coles... Rail may even be the limited use case of these trucks as short-range rail delivery vehicles from the train station...
It's helpful to know that Elon Musk invented the truck, like he invented everything else that already existed.
Basic calculation error or pure lies from thuderfoot, barriers he bases he calulations on are 6.5 feet long, end to end on that trailer makes it 26 feet long... standard flatbed size is 48 to 53 feet. Standard jersey barrier shown are 10 feet long, which these are, they are 4000 ib each or 2 tons. So that semi is hauling 22 tons, not 5. Dont know if mistake or lies
I'm so glad Elon allows me to breathe, as he also invented air
@@gypsyemperor7535 What's your point?
funniest part, all this shilling about speed or acceleration, yet volvo holds world record for fastest truck. they didnt even try to beat that diesel one first
@@gypsyemperor7535 For all we know, they were made out of papier mache! It's a publicity stunt, the purpose of which is to pump a stock price. That's it.
I wonder how many of those people in the crowd actually drive a truck?
Or have EVER even so much as sat in the cab of one...
Theyre all tesla employees
I wonder how many sausages you ate before breakfast.
@@icemanhunter1 before breakfast? Or FOR breakfast?
@@icemanhunter1 Let me see... So it was a saturday, during winter, day number was even and 2022 was not a leap year... hm. Yeah, I think it's approximately 1.6 - √64 / 5.
There is NOOOOOO way those concrete road barriers weigh just 500kg.
They are at least double that
They're nearly 4000lbs each
Must have been so cringe for the few people in the audience not totally high on the vaporware promises to see 99% around you cheering happily and entirely uncritically.
I can't imagine how embarrassing it would've been to me the 1% in the room to see through the bullshit
I feel compelled to mention that when your comparing the picture of the fully loaded flatbed vs the Tesla truck you aren't comparing apples to apples. There are two extra axles under the comparison truck which equals roughly 18k more carrying capacity than a standard 5 axle truck and trailer that most people think of when they think about a semi tractor/trailer combo. The 'magic' 80k number is basically what you can weigh on top of 5 axles and drive coast to coast. Every state has different weight laws and allowable axle/trailer combinations and sometimes rules for wheelbase too.
What I don't see being discussed is the reality that many of these trucks can accelerate much faster than they normally do. Why do they lazily take off from the light and gain speed so incredibly slowly when your late for work behind them? Because acceleration and energy use are directly related. Good truckers aren't racing to they're delivery or their next load, they're carefully navigating using their truck like tool in the most efficient way they know how to minimize the amount of money that goes back in the tank, or in worn out parts. Now I'm absolutely sure that making it to the top of the mountain first is fun, but it's really hard on parts and fuel mileage.
Do we really want 80k lbs to accelerate like a 13 second drag car? Hell no, and here's why. The Tesla truck uses the exact same brake components as a diesel truck. Products made by Bendix haldex and meritor. These have extremely well understood performance characteristics and pushing the forces outside of what is currently the industry standard will cause problems.
Elon seems to think that a semi is just a larger car, and it should perform like his little toy cars. The reality is he has no idea about the forces involved and what a real trucker wants, and I don't think his engineers do either.
His Engineers probably know, but loose their Jobs if they speak up to his perceived Genius.
And yes I know of the Irony of writing this with that Channel Name
Musk seems to often be rather clueless in regards to whatever field (trucks, neurology, public transportation) he is blabbering on about
I don’t think they even know what the typical American trucker thinks a bad ass truck would look like, because this isn’t it.
@@JoeOvercoat It's even worse than some of the football helmets you see on the road already.
Federal law prevents States from enforcing vehicle weight limits on Interstate highways that deviate from established Federal weight limits and specific exceptions. According to these provisions, "the United States Secretary of Transportation shall withhold 50 percent of appropriated funds from a State that sets weight limits for Interstate travel that are higher or lower than the standard Federal limits for Interstate highways, with some exceptions" (23 U.S.C. §127[a]).
I wonder what would happen if the people who put down deposits demanded their money back for failure to deliver?
They already claimed it as a loss years ago to offset their taxes. Musk gov subsidies once again.
Then they would get their money back, no big deal. But they don't do that, because they want the trucks. These trucks will only get more expensive from here on out.
@@nightshadowblade You got that right. These trucks will definitely get more expensive than they are worth.
@@DmitriyLaktyushkin They will get as expensive as they are worth, companies and owner/operators will do precise calculations once the real world data comes in.
@@nightshadowblade He's referring to normal people, not those who actually check the numbers. That's why tesla is ranked so high
Northrop Gruman: "The payload of the B-21 is 30,000-40,000 lbs. The range is classified for national security reasons but we can strike any target anywhere in the world without being seen."
Tesla: "Cargo carrying whatnow? What's that? Guffaw, never heard of THAT before!! Range?? Oh I dunno.... a bunch probably. Good stuff, batteries, 4 motors, CUP HOLDERS GUYS!! CUP HOLDERS IN CAD!!"
One of these companies is not like the other.
500 mile range and 40k lb payload Thunderfoot spewing biased garbage check the weight of 10' sections of K rail for yourself they are 4k each
pssst trucker boy, you wanna some... wireless charging?
OMG! YES! Cup holders designed in CAD... with Bluetooth... as Howard said from "Big Bang Theory": Everything is better with Bluetooth! Oh, and thermoelectric heater/coolers in those cup holders too.
500 miles fully loaded. what> are you dumb?
@@yuriib5483 Yes, I can see lot lizards giving up on the sex trade and start to hook up drivers with charging spots because the truck stops won't be able to handle a 100 trucks charging at several hours (over night) at a time. Imagine the huge power substations truck stops will need. I can see people hawking truckers to drive to their houses for a charge overnight at a fee less than the truck stops will charge, those power substations cost millions to put in... electricity at truck stops alone will skyrocket to pay for it all. It would be a nice side hustle. My house is wired with two 200 AMP feeds, I only use one right now, I can charge 2 trucks per 8 hours with the 2nd 200 Amp feed. Maybe I can even renovate and put in a Crash Pad (like they have for airline crews). Crash pads are tiny private rooms (6 x 8 feet) to get up to 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep - some with their own toilet and showers, you charge by the hour and it is cheaper than motels ... you make a killing on the volume. 3 turn arounds per day per room. They make their own beds, they have a bed and pillow, a desk, chair, TV, and free internet, they use their own cell phones but I can have a payphone too. They usually have a common kitchen stocked with vending items. The God fearing truckers can even go to a local church and then have a real Sunday dinner at the Crash Pad with us. I forgot to point out, long haul truckers may not be able to sleep in their rigs anymore (especially in the winter months) because it will slow down charging and/or run down their batteries. So Crash Pads will become popular. I drew up a floor plan of what a deluxe Crash Pad "Pod" would be like. I figure US$3 an hour with an 8 hour max stay per visit. One pod alone can take in $72 a day, plus $60 a day for three 8 hour charges (after the truckers pay me for their electricity used).
Why isn't Elon sued to oblivion already?
Yeah, why would that be? 🙄
16:46
Musk: I may have lied straight to your face last time but I swear I'm not doing it again here!
One thing not many people have touched on is the driver position in the middle instead of on the side. I would be interesting to see them back into a tight dock without leaning out the window. I have to lean out the window on a daily basis at my job when backing. It helps with depth perception when knowing where the back of the trailer is in relation to the one next to it. Often at the places I go to there is only a gap of 6” between trailers and not much room to setup.
very good point.
something something cameras
Pretty sure there will be 80 cameras around the cab
Alex, but Elon thinks your job days are numbered, so he doesn't care if it's harder.
Trained truckers use the mirrors
As an older Tesla owner I’m genuinely glad there is debunk videos of this calibre
Did you switch to diesel?
@@abdulrazakbendjema9778 Maybe he is just old. I couldn't really understand the _older tesla owner_ is the guy old or did he previously own a tesla?
@@GuusJanssen You have to cut some Tesla owners some slack... They aren't exactly the smartest bunch of society, considering they fell for one or more hyped marketting strategies of mister Musk.
Same goes for Apple product owners.
Or any "Pay more for Less functionality" products out there that has a cult following.
@@GuusJanssen or does he own an old Tesla 🤔
My guess is that by "older Tesla owner" he means "ex-Tesla owner".
Probably not a native English speaker.
if you get sick the truck will also take care of your family and pets, mow your lawn and all from it's own pocket.
you should really get a Tesla semi. not because it's a good truck but because it's got office on board.
I took a minute and looked up "prop concrete barriers". The kind used on a movie set. These look exactly like real concrete barriers but are made of balsa wood and fiberglass. They weigh about 25 pounds each. Of course Musk would never lie about using fake loads in his demonstration. Musk always tells the truth. And so do I.
😂😂😂omg i bet you’re dead on.
I was pausing and looking at those barriers too, they looked fishy. They were stark white, not the color of concreate, but the corners where chipped and where it was chipped it was still stark white, should've seen the concrete under the white paint showing through. They looked like props to me too.
(Disclaimer, I'm not a Musk fan) but I think assumptions are foolish here, despite his previouslies. The barriers match the dimensions of standard 10ft ones, which weight 4000lbs, matching Tesla's claims on the surface.
Also, if companies like Pepsi are already buying these I would think they'd have tested weight loads themselves.
@@glowingunknown5625 how would they wouldn't buying them?
@@glowingunknown5625 yeah they pre-ordered but they didnt say what they were delivering...
five years ago, musk announces an electric truck with drive assistant.
5 years later, he delivers an electric truck without drive assistance, less cargo and less range.
meanwhile volvo unveils their new drive assistant with "the epic split"... wait, damn, that was 9 years ago xD
The drive assistant will be a Tesla employee in a Tesla bot costume telling the driver what to do.
He also said comedy was now legal on twitter.
@@WolfTamer so it's safe to post the semi on twitter
Wow, that acceleration is going to change the game. I mean if only we already had specialized roads for long distance travel. Perhaps using on ramps and off ramps that allow for merging in and out of fast moving traffic without stopping and starting constantly. We could've called it an "interstate highway".
Let's go back to its roots, Autobahn, literally translated into car track
Now if only people could be taught what the word merge means and how to do it so that the Interstate isn't a total cluster fuck.
@@quantuman100 well that cannot work at all. Where are trucks meant to go?
How is acceleration going to change ANYTHING?
@@mikeb1039 well it's nice to be able to pass idiots
I'm surprised thunderfoot got it wrong on the concrete barrier weight thing. They appear to be 10 footers, which are 4000-4400 lbs each. That would make it have a similar payload to a normal truck. All his other points make a lot of sense (except I think truckers actually value things like ergonomics, cup holders, phone charger/holder, being able to stand up - certainly don't value acceleration though lol). I'm not a braindead tesla fanboy, just an engineer looking for the truth!
The haters will ignore this post
It's not about hate, it's about accountability and business ethics.
@@toravnerflyr6911 Sorry i mean.... it's the people to claim to care about accountability and business ethics who will ignore this post
To be fair, this is Elon Musk we're talking about, so there's a non-zero chance that all the barriers were styrofoam and the weight he mentioned was mostly batteries.
@@lnsflare1 They looked like styrofoam, didn't they?
Those people in the crowd were damn lucky the truck didn’t just plow through them 🛻
Crush, kill, destroy
I cringe everytime i see that clip - they should have hired a trucker to drive elon in lmao.
How could it? The truck is just an empty hunk which wouldn't even be able to move.
🤣
Thank God they weren't using FSD
Hang on, can we just take a moment to point out the one good thing here that others should do? The cup holders. For the love of god everyone should go find some cups at Walmart, target, Amazon best sellers, fast food places and put it in CAD to make sure the damn cups fit! I'm so tired of cups not fitting 😂
Of course the golf cart would prioritize good cupholders. 🥤
I know how to use SolidWorks. Hit me up and I'll see if the cup fits 🙃
you would love my modification to the cupholder of the 90s Corolla/Prizm. Best cup holders out of everything I've used.... Just add a couple of dollar store cozies to fill the gaps, as need, for when putting small sodas(fast-food, cans, & bottles) in them. Without them, the cupholders handle powerade bottles and most medium or bigger drinks just fine.
Those cup holders come in handy for hydration when you’re stuck at the side of the road again.
If I caught my engineers drawing a bunch of cups in CAD while they have a truck interior to make, I’d fire their asses.
Loading cups in CAD is useless, what you want is the opposite, to bring the cupholder to reality (by 3D printing for example) and test it.
Quick google of 10 foot Jersey concrete barriers said that it weights 4000 lbs (2 ton) each. I’m not saying that the blocks in the Tesla promo video are those exact blocks, but 1000lbs each might be a bit of a under estimate.
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Yeah, his math was completely off.
You can see just from eyeballing it that they are more than 0.5m.
If those are .5m , then the truck would be 1m wide.
Those are the massive barriers, 2 ft wide and roughly 4ft high
Those are 10ft Jersey barriers, they weigh about 4000 lbs, there’s 11 of them on the truck… there’s 44k pounds on the truck; the entire thing weighs 81k, therefore the truck itself with a trailer weighs 37k…
Not too much more than a conventional cab.
I honestly can’t watch this guy anymore… he says things I can personally verify as false (like this), makes me wonder about things I can’t…
I wasn’t a believer of the Tesla Semi, I thought it would be almost impossible for it to reach its 500mi goal, and if they did it would be either mostly downhill or the thing empty would weigh so much it’s be pointless…
But anything short of those barriers being styrofoam or something equally ridiculous… that clip along with showing the data from their Fremont to San Diego trip is all I needed to know.
These trucks are now in the hands of actual drivers. If it can’t haul more than 11k pounds then we would certainly hear about it.
@@Fetidaf Right. His schtik is popular, but trying to 'bust' too many things leads to this sort of nonsense. Personally I find the dripping condescension just too much to bear, even if he does say interesting things sometimes. Essentially you are much better off watching 'Real Engineering' who I have never detected being anything other than scrupulous with the facts.
@@xxwookey Creating controversy is intentional. It drives more comments & engagement, which means more $$ in TFs pocket. He's a cynical, money-grubbing eyeball miner.
This is probably the first video containing so much clips of a Tesla presentation and the only thing I am left with as a feeling is this: The crowd is either filled with investors or people payed to cheer or it is post-production sound effects.
But mostly the whole thing comes over as: "I can't believe I'm getting away with lying this much!"
Here's some real numbers from my Freightliner Cascadia. Tractor weight full of fuel is 19,880lbs. Range with 200 gal on board: Varies with load but 1000-1400 miles. Time to fill from 1/8 of a tank 8-12min. Max truck gross weight 52k. With my permits I can go up to 99k lbs gross combined (truck and trailer). 0-60 loaded to 83k lbs: 56 sec. Number of wireless chargers.....0. Electrification makes sense in short run deliveries, but the cost of chargers, sub stations and the like would take many years to see a cost benefit. Not to mention the possibility of electricity costs going sky high. I'd have no issues driving an electrified semi, but it has to make sense.
You can do 0-60 in 5 seconds?
Great. And do the words "shifted load" mean anything to you?
It's pointless. Most trucks spend almost all their time cruising in quite a narrow speed range, not racing at the lights because .... You don't want your load damaged...
You also don't need to be chewing out tyres and kingpins at a faster rate, either. Logistics is already tight for profits. Anything that raises expenses (increased rate of parts replacement) is going to kill that small profit margin.
Also seems that instead of rolling (and making money), these rigs are going to sitting around for long periods of time gobbling up electricity.
0:25 AHAHAHAH!! Yeah, reminds me of a couple of years ago, I worked for a company and the trucks were governed at 67mph. Other trucks would constantly fly past. One time I got a load in LA from 3M. I looked at the BOL and it was air filters, I think it was 5 or 6 tons, going to Oregon. Man I had so much fun blowing by almost ever other truck going up the mountains on I-5 just after Redding, CA!!! That's what that bit of video reminds me of! Non-truck drivers seldom understand how much uphill performance is affected by the weight of the load. 3:48 "BUILT AROUND THE DRIVER!" Man this pisses me off so much!!!! They take away the only thing that makes life on the road bearable -- your little bit of living space (berth), and claim it's "BUILT AROUND THE DRIVER"?!?? Outrageous! I mean I've had some pretty good memories of kicking back after my shift in the berth, cooking something, watching TV or getting online, even extracurricular adult activities! I am telling everyone now, this truck is dead in the water for long haul (OTR) if they don't have a berthing. That berthing, as modest as it is, is your home. And without it, you'd have to spend $150/day on hotels and crumby restaurant food.
You never worked for a company. You'd have to have had a legitimate job in your life first. Simping for Phil and chugging white man sea men for money and cigarettes do not count as employment boy!
Elon doesn’t sleep, so neither do the truckers. Lol 😂
who needs a bed if you're expecting your other shitty engineering team to deliver tesla bots for drivers?
you know the one who looked like it shit its pants just by standing around, let alone driving the truck from the other shitty engineering team.
you need to be hardcore and dont ever think of being with someone on your truck, no wife no kids just hardcore work
I've seen some pretty nice berths on trucks, and I'm no trucker. Having something like that is just common sense, to me. Keeps costs down because of no hotel, and it's obviously better than not having an area to just relax on breaks.
tesla marketed this semi for regular people, not for trucking industries
It’s perfect for Eddie Stobbart given the bulk of his loads are empty beer cans going to recycling.
Basic calculation error or pure lies from thuderfoot, barriers he bases he calulations on are 6.5 feet long, end to end on that trailer makes it 26 feet long... standard flatbed size is 48 to 53 feet. Standard jersey barrier shown are 10 feet long, which these are, they are 4000 ib each or 2 tons. So that semi is hauling 22 tons, not 5. Dont know if mistake or lies
@@gypsyemperor7535 Tesla could just state the load capacity and range per ton of cargo. But they don't, despite it being a rather important feature.
Also the My Pillow Guy shipping feathers
@@gypsyemperor7535 The Elon fanboy is salty. XD
This is probably the only economical usage of the Tesla semis, carrying bulky light cargo like empty containers, toilet paper, chips and things of that nature
I hope Walmart Canada gets their order filled. The next road block will be so much warmer thanks to lithium.
I'm surprised no one at Walmart said "Hold on. What's the cargo capacity of these things?" Logistics is usually their strength.
@@BadBrucey I'm sure it came out of their marketing budget, so they can look like they're investing in "green technology"
The photo of a diesel truck about to haul a broken up Tesla truck is pure bliss!!
made me loleeed hahaha
Photo was taking during development of the truck lol.
I like how their service vans are Fords.
I really enjoy these videos. You're doing a great job at debunking Enron Musk's bullshit and entertaining us throughout the process :D!!!
Two things:
1) The barriers are 8ft long and weighing about 3575 lbs(1621.6 kgs) each, not 525 kgs. So that's 18 tons of payload, not 6.
2) Not all applications require haulage of 20 tons over 800 miles. There are numerous applications where the cargo volume is high but it's weight is well below 20 tons and the delivery location is much closer. Like in warehousing and logistics. The semi is perfect for these applications.
@@exterminator4808😂 keep up with the cope. Elon is a bs artist.
@exterminator4808 so you are supporting a technology that is worse than the current 🤣 Typical Tesla fanboy, living in denial. What an absolute muppet..
Take the batteries out, put it in a special lane and connect it with grid power... Wait. That's a train. Road Trains!
Trolley semis are actually a thing and there are some hybrid trucks that already do that in Europe...
@@drill_fiend1097 Yes, Musk seems to like redesigning what is already done and just has not been able to do any of it better. Robotics are years behind other groups, etc. Yet he manages to do the hype part and get investors and governments to keep giving him cash.
In Sweden there are overhead lines for hybrid trucks on the freeways.
Hey thunderf00t, engineering explained gives a very different math for the cargo capacity. He did a video (6 days ago) that claims the cargo capacity isn't going to be too much lower than a regular truck.
He claims a diesel truck weighs ~17000 lbs, while you claim it is ~double at 20 tons or 40000 lbs. The two numbers are nowhere close.
He thinks the battery pack in the Tesla truck should weigh ~10-12K lbs. And that electric trucks have an added 2K pounds allowed weight limit. And the engines which weigh just ~4K in a regular truck could be lower in an electric one. So the math mostly checks out and the cargo capacity is nearly the same for both (slightly lower for Tesla of course, but not 4 times lower as you claim here).
A standardish tractor unit with a day cab and a skeleton trailer is about 10 or 11 tons (UK tons that is.)
Engineering Explained is also a Tesla shill. His "calculations" use the same variables that come out of Musk's mouth.
Honestly the way i look at if the carry weight wasn't bad or was comparable to an ICE semi they would have been blasting it everywhere but they intentionally avoid talking about weight only mentioning the gcm
Then why do they choose to show it hauling 5 tons in THEIR demo?
I love how they brag about bringing in various real world objects into CAD to test the sizing of their cupholders, which is something basically all companies do for all sorts of things, like truck trailers, railcars, car trunks, etc.
Says a lot about who they are trying to impress, doesn't it?
Let's face it... tesla semi is better... there's no diesel truck with usb wireless chargers
@@mikeowen3814 To be fair, a wireless charger isn't a USB. Haha
@@jonny-b4954 LOL... think you missed the point, haha
When they do that with people it's called "Ergonomics" and it's been a technique used ever since an ancient Sumerian said "Here, sit on the ground. I'll draw around you in the sand and that can be how big our chariot is going to be!"
It's hardly new! 😆
On the "Engineering Explained" Channel he made a 44000lbs cargo estimates, which would be on the lower end of a class 8 vehicle but still in that ball park. As with ANY electric car, they excel in city driving, not so much on long trips. So I bet this is also the case, so they will be mostly used on shorter trips. Economically, no electric car can recoup its upfront cost running on highway.
As an actual OTR truck driver, allow me to toss around some real world numbers that bedevil me daily. In a 2018 freightliner cascadia (typical long haul specs), running a dry van (typical unrefrigerated box trailer), my "max cargo weight" is around 36,000 lbs if only concerned with "max gross of 80k". However, there is also "bridge load limits". The steer axle (front most) is allowed 12,000 lbs (some states a little more). The drive axles pair (rear of the cab) are allowed 34,000 lbs. The tandem axle pair (under the rear of the trailer) are allowed 34,000 lbs, all for a total of 80k max. To properly balance those weights, the tandems slide lengthwise, and the "5th wheel" (trailer/cab mount interface) can slide, also lengthwise. One of the "pro skills" of trucking is doping out positioning of sliders, AND calculating what fuel loads you can add when to be legal all along your route. If, with a flatbed, a 14000 lb load puts your truck at 82,000 lbs, your drive and steer weights HAVE to be overweight, at all times. That tractor is "non compliant by design". If you need an over 80k permit to run 14000 lbs of cargo, you're hamstrung in comparison to EVERYBODY else. If you need an overweight permit to drive EMPTY, you're a joke in comparison to EVERYBODY else. Never mind the range is 15% short for long haul (600 miles per day average), the long charge intervals (restricting mandated break times to charging stations, which is actually technically illegal "fueling is on duty activity"), and the lack of truck friendly charging stations... the "package" itself is not DOT reg compliant, it's most fatal flaw
Nice, thanks for the info! Some others pointed that those barriers are actually heavier. I have no idea and I'm lazy to investigate myself, but it might be possible that the cargo is closer to 20 tons. On that idea, if the battery itself adds, at most, 6 tons extra than a diesel engine (7 tons battery, 1 ton less in engine+extras weight), why would it carry 10-14 tons less ? It doesn't make much sense. So I don't think that the drive and steer weigh 60000+lbs.
Also, please split your text a bit. It's a wall of text right now. Readable, but not confortably so, once you passed the 2nd row.
Yeah I wondered if they would put some of the batteries on the trailer to try and even the load. Otherwise the front of the pan would need to be empty and the whole thing would be pretty unstable.
You know what Elon Musk will ask after reading your comment be?
"Wait a second! Do they have rules and regulations!?" 😂
@@Winnetou17 it may be slightly higher in Cargo capacity, you notice Elon won't say, so we have to use the only examples available + a little informed guessing. Even if TF was off by 10-20% it still makes no sense against diesel. And the person who made the original comment here adds to that with the regulations. It's such vaporware, it's hilarious watching the Muskheads buy into everything he sells.
@@SR-ry6hs I don't think it's actually vaporware, just insane claims.
I mean, for short to medium distances for low weight high volumes products, it makes a lot of sense. Toilet paper needs to be delivered too! It's just that it doesn't beat diesel in everything (not even close). And it's not even comparable with rail (why Elon isn't sued into jail for that and other impossibly stupid claims like that is beyond me. USA really is disappointing at times)
It works just fine! If you cover it with solar panels and send it through a vacuum tube...
lol, that's good.
My calculations put that load in just under 20t, that being said as pointed out in trucker forums. Companies aren't going to buy this because of Tesla's notorious problems getting parts/service to companies. I would like to see more on how Thunderfoot got his weight estimate. Of course this entire argument could be solved if Tesla released weight numbers for the Semi itself, which is really sketchy they haven't yet.
Thunderfoot’s calculation is most likely off but considering that cargo is one of the most important metric for truckers, Elon’s silence is already telling us that it’s way bellow regular trucks.
If the Tesla was hauling genuine jersey barriers at 10' x 1450Kg it would be hauling about 18T but a lot of people here have pointed out that they could be the cheaper version weighing 300ish Kg. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.
Thunderf00t's weight estimate is based on knowing more about everything than everyone, which allows him to avoid tedious things like "research" and just sub in values that confirm whatever point he is trying to make.
@@Holycurative9610 You can figure it out by estimating the dimensions of the barriers being used based on the known lengths of the other cars on the road in the video.
bro for all we know they are hollowed out and no more than 1 inch thick..
Of course those concrete road barriers (median barriers) don't weight a mere 1000kg, they weight about 1800kg. They're 10' long (3m), 2' wide (60cm) and 2'-8" high (80cm). Their volume is about 0.75m³ which with a specific weight of concrete of 2400kg/m³ gives 1800kg. Which you could have known had you done some research instead of guessing. The Tesla semi is carrying 11 of them which comes to a weight of 19800kg. Pretty much the 20 tonnes cargo capacity of the regular diesel semi you mention.
As for the fully loaded Tesla semi on its 500 mile trip: It is not remarkable that it doesn't overtake a lot of other semis as it not only has to obey maximum allowed speeds but also has to deal with having enough juice to complete the trip. Other semis may be overtaking it but they are likely to be either empty or haul less load and their drivers may be speeding.
I'm not saying the Tesla semi is the answer nor that the delivery delay isn't ridiculous but let's at least get our facts straight when comparing them to regular diesel semis.