Bob Dylan Revisited :: IDIOT WIND

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  • @guillermogarcia3327
    @guillermogarcia3327 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    As much as I love the New York session’s version, the way he delivers the line "You'll never know the hurt I suffered, nor the pain I rise above" on the album version does it for me.
    But as you say, they're almost two different songs; with nearly identical lyrics they evoke completely different feelings. Love them both.

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      well said 👍

  • @hillbillypillars
    @hillbillypillars 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    My favorite BD studio album transition is You're a Big Girl Now into Idiot Wind... The way Idiot Wind blasts off with all cylinders firing. It's so wonderfully startling.

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      totally kicks ass, no question

  • @nissi.k
    @nissi.k 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for your considerate and poetically articulate examination! You honour Bob the way you cover varied insights and outline so much of Bob's diverse pathos.
    I love that Bob keeps his songs flexible; living and breathing moments in time. A big reason I love his LIVE performances along with his recordings of course.

  • @jtramsay
    @jtramsay 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The thumbnails keep getting better!

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      idiot mode

    • @jerzyjd
      @jerzyjd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Harpo Marx mode.@@jokermenpod

  • @rrakove
    @rrakove 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is a great series of analyses that needs to be maintained for people to access.

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thanks roberta!

  • @connorcm3
    @connorcm3 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    always a joy when these are posted. a top 5 song maybe

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that’s right connor

  • @andrewworkman8385
    @andrewworkman8385 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I do find myself listening to More Blood, More Tracks just as frequently as I listen to the studio album these days, so I share your love for those versions. But just for the sake of friendly argument, I do think three songs on BOOT especially benefitted from the Minneapolis treatment--"Tangled," "Idiot Wind," and "Lily Rosemary." For Lily, it's primarily because the drums provide the driving heart beat that holds that sprawling Western together and propels it forward. And I'd argue the band elevated "Tangled" and "Idiot Wind" because they transform them into national epics, from the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol-the musical equivalent of On the Road and Gatsby and The Searchers. And in defense of Bob's angry tone, many of the most venomous lines are the type only someone in the blind heat of argument would level at someone. It's a barbaric yawp from a plain of desperation near the borderline of the howling beast. Accordingly, the "you" to "we" movement in the final verse lands more powerfully for me because it's more unexpected and climactic. And then when you learn about the uncanny magic that took place in the Minneapolis sessions--how these Minnesota boys came together and found this remarkable chemistry with Bob (cutting "Tangled" in a single take(!!)), is the stuff of rock and roll legend. In this sense, the BOTT New York version purists resemble the folk purists who resisted Dylan plugging in and going "commercial." I am grateful Dylan followed his instincts and imbued the record with his first love: rock and roll. Thanks for the videos--I enjoy the takes, even if I disagree from time to time.

  • @georgecoventry8441
    @georgecoventry8441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Yes, the most striking and the conclusive lines in "Idiot Wind" are his admission of his own culpability at the end: "Idiot Wind...blowing through the buttons of our coats...blowing through the letters that we wrote...Idiot Wind...blowing through the dust upon our shelves. We're idiots, Babe! It's a wonder we can even feed ourselves." It does imply that in fact Bob himself might be the even bigger idiot of the two. Simply marvelous. I'm a person who grew up on what was termed "folk music" back then (I'm 75 now...), and it was the one, the only genre of popular music where the lyrics and their meanings were paramount over all else, so I pay keen attention to every single word when I listen to a song, and most of all when I listen to Dylan's work. He is the master lyricist, and the way he slips that admission in at the very end of Idiot Wind is the perfect way to end it, but probably slips right by a lot of listeners. I really appreciate how much thought you have given to your understanding of this song. One of the wonderful things about Bob's work is how he finds numerous different ways to do the same songs, even to working major changes in the lyrics as time goes by...or even on a single day of recording! It is endlessly fascinating to anyone who is a serious listener, and it's a very rare thing in pop music. Most artists just repeat themselves over and over again on stage, like a traveling display from a museum, but Dylan's songs remain alive and constantly evolving into new forms and new emotional takes. It's one of the things that make his live shows so interesting...to real fans......and so frustrating for the people who just want to hear their favorite list of "greatest radio hits" repeated in a live setting. I'll be watching more stuff on your channel, that is for sure.

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      well said George, thanks for the kind words 👍

    • @MichaelPetrone-ng5yx
      @MichaelPetrone-ng5yx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@jokermenpod
      This is by no means a criticism but his target is a variety of people and situations much like Positivity 4th St especially if you knew all the issues that came out of the 60's

  • @georgecoventry8441
    @georgecoventry8441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Bob and Sara (whom I figure the song is almost certainly directed at) were young and quite gifted people when they met....and Bob was riding a whirlwind. In retrospect, it's not surprising that their youth and their inexperience could have led to them both behaving like "idiots" at times while trying to maintain a marriage and raise several children while under the constant attention from the press and Bob's crazier fans.........but they did get 8 years of what seems to have been a very loving marriage out of it, and that's pretty good, considering the pressures they'd both have been under at the time, given Bob's outrageous levels of fame and success. A divorce is a terrible thing for anyone to go through, specially when children are involved, so I don't wonder at how broken he sounded in the New York sessions, and how angry he sounded in the Minneapolis sessions. He clearly thought that marriage was going to "save" him when he entered into it...he says that in no uncertain terms in several of his songs, and he must surely have expected it to last for life. Who doesn't think that the first time they marry? For that dream to fail is like the whole world falling apart for most people...for awhile. After all, his own parents stayed together for life (as many married people did back then), but society is far less stable now than it was a few generations ago. Traditions have collapsed, and so have people's traditional roles and their expectations. Things in this society have been falling apart for most of my life (I've been here since 1948), and I only see that accelerating now.

  • @swenryan
    @swenryan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I remember getting driven nearly batty by the Bootleg 1-3 liner notes mentioning the organ on its cut of Idiot Wind, which as far as I can tell isn't present at all; very glad to have all the takes now with BS14 in any case. One of the greatest of all time, no question.

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      never clocked that organ mention on the BS 1-3, seems designed to make you go insane lol

  • @charadeyouare322
    @charadeyouare322 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    l always wondered about the "chestnut mare" reference: something to do with Bob's friend Roger MGuinn's song with that title?

  • @90triceratops
    @90triceratops 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, as per usual!
    University of Minnesota Press published a book recently about the Minneapolis musicians called "Blood in the Tracks."
    I haven't been able to read it yet, but it sounds intriguing.

  • @zebbart
    @zebbart 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great analysis here. That's wild to think Bootleg 1-3 came out just 15 years after Blood. I was just thirteen at the time and had never heard any Dylan past Blonde on Blonde. The Bootleg BotT songs felt like buried treasures from long ago. But that would just be like Together Through Life outtakes now lol.

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      fingers crossed we get the spooky stripped down version of “my wife’s hometown” one of these days

    • @zebbart
      @zebbart 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@jokermenpod give me the version of Shake Shake Mama that David Zimmerman called "too stark."

    • @90triceratops
      @90triceratops 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zebbart lmao

  • @elston3153
    @elston3153 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On hearing Tangled up in blue, John lennon said Dylan is several years ahead of us all again.

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the man was right 👍

  • @triciamoore106
    @triciamoore106 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes I to love this brilliant song I play the album ever day pure brilliant writing by Bob Dylan thanks

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      that’s right 👍

  • @DanCrossMusic
    @DanCrossMusic 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    decent piece but he forgets to mention that the whole album was written & recorded in a folk guitar tuning that he never used before & he's never used since

  • @SDLearmonth
    @SDLearmonth 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The test pressing version is the original 1974 mix and it sounds a little bit dated (echoey vocals) compared to the mix we got on More Blood, More Tracks. The new mix has an intimate and direct sound to the vocals that fits the New York sessions much more imo. You can recreate the test pressing as a playlist using More Blood, More Tracks, with the exception of the soaring organ overdub on Idiot Wind, which you can hear is different on the RSD release. A weird omission from the bootleg series release but the new mixes are great regardless.

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      makes sense that they would clean it up for the rerelease but god i love that echo

  • @charadeyouare322
    @charadeyouare322 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Please do a study of "Up to me." My favorite BOTT session track!!

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      will add it to the list 👍

    • @georgecoventry8441
      @georgecoventry8441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      "Up To Me" is a stunning lyric. He seems to have decided to leave it off because it sounded too similar to "Shelter From The Storm". I love the closing verse:
      And if we never meet again, baby, remember me
      How my lone guitar played sweet for you that old-time melody
      And the harmonica around my neck, I blew it for you, free
      No one else could play that tune
      You know it was up to me
      One of the keys to great songwriting is to make sure the closing lines absolutely nail it....and that's something Bob frequently manages to do in his greatest songs. Very much the case also in "Desolation Row":
      Yes, I received your letter yesterday
      About the time the doorknob broke
      When you asked me how I was doing
      Was that some kind of joke?
      All these people that you mentioned
      Yes, I know them, they are quite lame
      I had to rearrange their faces
      And give them all another name
      Right now I can't read too good, don't send me no more letters, no
      Not unless you mail them from Desolation Row

  • @prangbro
    @prangbro 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always preferred the NY (Bootleg 1-3) version because of the way he delivered the chorus. Listening to Bob mostly on car journeys with my parents, I initially hated Bob's whiney voice and the 'eyaaaaaaaaaadyah weeeeah' chorus on the album version was perhaps the most egregious example of this. To hear him clearly enunciate the title was like a revelation in comparison. I still prefer it now (and love all of Bob's different varietiies but yes, can see the anger and passion in the album cut too.

  • @MikeTheGamerGuy
    @MikeTheGamerGuy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually first listened to BotT via the bootleg series 14. So when I got around to listening to the original album I think I appreciated the evolution from somber-self-delusion to pissed-off-self-delusion. It's nearly improved by the version on Hard Rain but the rtr band doesn't really pull it off.

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      it’s all good music 👍

  • @DylanMyth5728
    @DylanMyth5728 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great insights ! Gracias.

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      namaste

  • @reaganwiles_art
    @reaganwiles_art 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have a question. Do you believe there's any humor in this song? There is some humor in Blood on the Tracks, however inadvertent it may be. But does "Idiot Wind" have any humor in it? any intended humor?

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      “they say i shot a man named grey and took his wife to italy / she inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me / i can’t help it if i’m lucky”
      one of the funniest sets of lines in the whole catalog

    • @georgecoventry8441
      @georgecoventry8441 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jokermenpod - Definitely.

  • @colleenbonniwell4226
    @colleenbonniwell4226 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🌹

  • @candelise
    @candelise 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I dare anyone to say that a song has lousy music, great lyrics and you can still call it a great song.

  • @mickey8355
    @mickey8355 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok, I stopped listening after the first 7 minutes. Talking too fast. You began to bore me. Sorry...

    • @jokermenpod
      @jokermenpod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      apology accepted 👍

    • @nissi.k
      @nissi.k 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@jokermenpod 🤣

    • @90triceratops
      @90triceratops 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      lol